1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: We love it doing a segment called Probe the Pope, 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: where we're joined by different officers of different areas of 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: the Victorian Police. But today we got the top cart. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: Jason Lawrence, Croo. 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Shane Patten, Welcome to the show. Good morning, Good. 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: Morning morning, Jason, morning Lauren. I have never heard that 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: music in my life. 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 4: I greet you when you roll into work police. 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 3: No, but I think i'll start. It's not a bad 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: way to be greeted. 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: Just very quickly true or false? Chief Commissioner Popo? You 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: didn't know what popo meant? 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to get out more, obviously. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: No. 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 5: My media director the other day was speaking to me 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 5: about Pope and she said, oh, they're all talking about 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 5: this is what's popo? 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: And just anyway, I've got to get out more. 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: Have a think about rebuking the song the po po 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: shut us down down, different demographic. 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Maybe look at a rebrand on the cop carts, take 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: off police, put on paper. Hey Shane, we appreciate your time, mate, 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: We know you an incredibly busy man. First issue we 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: want to talk about you've been leading the news with 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: it this morning. 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: Cramp and West. Shane Patton, the Constable one of your 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: own recovering in hospital after he was allegedly stabbed while 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: responded to an agberg an Agberg which apparently wasn't an 29 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: agberg as it turns out. 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, really upsetting. 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 5: Obviously, we had a unit responded in Creanbourne West last 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 5: night after five I think it was the responding to 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 5: a call of a burglary that had been committed there. 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 5: We'll be alleging the person who actually reported the burglary 35 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 5: then committed an attack on one of our officers and stabbed. 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: Them in thigh. 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: And how what was this book? 38 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 5: The alleged defenders around eighteen I think, and the constable involved. Fortunately, 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 5: you know, they drew their firearms, accorded on him to 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 5: drop the knife and he did, and then obviously the 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 5: rest of the troops turned up and. 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: We took him. 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 5: Our member went to hospital. Still in hospital with an 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 5: injury to the thigh. He's in a stable condition. But 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 5: it just goes to show there is no such thing 46 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 5: as a routine response in policing, not at all. 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: And hats after all the work the Victorian police do. Mate, 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: It's incredible the job you guys do. Unfortunately, this just 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: seems to be a story we're hearing quite often youth 50 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: crime in Melbourne. We're frustrated hearing about it. Are you 51 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: frustrated catching these offenders and then seeing them back out 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: on the streets. 53 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 54 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 5: Look, we look after what we can look after the 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 5: last crime statistics, and whenever I talk about statistics, they're 56 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 5: not just statistics, they're people. And I want to acknowledge 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 5: that we charged over around sixty eight thousand people last 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 5: rolling twelve months. We in the last year of charged 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 5: fifteen hundred people related to aggravated burglaries and theft of 60 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 5: car at night, those sneaking aggravated burglaries. 61 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: It's a key focus for us. 62 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: Which is my biggest fear. I've got three young kids 63 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: in the house. I'm absolutely paranoid about it. But then 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: we see these people. I think we're sick of hearing 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: re offenders, reoffenders, reoffenders. Where is the breakdown? Is it 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: the courts? 67 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 5: Well, there's a couple of things there, Joseph, I can 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 5: step through. We had a recent change and amendment in 69 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 5: the legislation, so that aggravated burglary if you get done 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 5: for that or that's high and offending. 71 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: Now I think it's going to come in the next 72 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: week or two or whatever. 73 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 5: It'll be coming to Royal Assent, whereby. 74 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: We'll be able to. 75 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: Take a much more forward leaning approach to reminding people 76 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 5: who need to be reminded, who at risk of committing 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 5: these things. 78 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Way, someone breaking into my house when I got three 79 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: young kids there needs to be locked up full stop. 80 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would agree with you. 81 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 5: And so that's the approach we'll be taking, will be 82 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 5: making sure that we remind as many people who are 83 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 5: committing these high and fences can be So that's a 84 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 5: good thing that will be occurring. We think that'll make 85 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 5: a real difference in what's been going on in terms 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 5: of that aggravated burglary. Can I just say, and I 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 5: don't say this to try and minimize it, but the 88 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 5: vast majority of these are sneak in aggravator burglaries at night. 89 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 5: It's over ninety five percent of them. There's no confrontation, 90 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: but to have your house violated is absolutely horrendous. 91 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: That's why we're so focused on it. 92 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's terrifying, but I mean Melbournians are so frustrated, 93 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 4: right and I feel for the police because you guys 94 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: do such an amazing job, and we see things like 95 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 4: what happened last night where our police force and our 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 4: police officers are putting their lives on the line to 97 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: catch these guys. Do you feel like you're just banging 98 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: your head against a wall when you do all the work, 99 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: you catch them, You sit there doing all the paperwork, 100 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 4: and then you find out they're back out on the 101 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: streets the next day. 102 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 103 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 5: Sentencing and all of those matters have always been a 104 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 5: matter for the courts lur and it's something that you know, 105 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 5: even since I was a constable, which is some time 106 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 5: I go back now, it's always been a concern for 107 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: my members, for myself. But you can control what you 108 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 5: can control, and that is we'll keep locking them up, 109 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 5: we'll keep charging, and we are having huge successes in 110 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 5: terms of the arrest. We know predominantly who these offenders are. 111 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 5: And I think, as I said, those legislative changes that 112 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 5: are coming in for people charge with the aggravated burglary, 113 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 5: that dangerous driving where if they're an unacceptable risk of 114 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 5: committing another offense they go in, that's what I think 115 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 5: that's going to be a real big change that's going 116 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 5: to occur here. 117 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: Do you think it will actually help. 118 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: I just want to say, I don't think we're questioning 119 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: the work you guys do it because, if anything, we're 120 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: frustrated for the police. The amount of work you guys 121 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: are putting in is a lot of the And you 122 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: might not be able to comment on this, but a 123 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: lot of the reason these kids are back on the 124 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: streets around jails fault is that the problem. 125 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: No, no, jails aren't full, youth justice isn't full. Courts have. 126 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 5: A difficult balancing act, a difficult balancing act. No one 127 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: wants to be locking up kids, but some kids who 128 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 5: are committing those highing defenses need to be remanded and 129 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 5: have their issues. 130 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: Obviously there's also an issue of rehabilitation, right. 131 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: But obviously, obviously the fear isn't there. If I'm an 132 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: eighteen year old kid and I'm out with my mates 133 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: and we're looking at a househould we bloody go iman mw. 134 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Obviously the fear isn't. 135 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: Part of this justice reform, which is just past the 136 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: Upper House in Victorian Parliament, also includes the potential for 137 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: ankle bracelets, I believe as well. 138 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a whole what will be the term raft 139 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 5: of reforms that the governments bring in. One of them 140 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 5: is looking at a trial where they put ankle bracelets 141 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 5: on fifty kids who otherwise might might have had any 142 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 5: bail conditions, or otherwise they might have gone in, but 143 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 5: to geofence them at home sort of thing overnight that'll 144 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 5: come in in due course. That's another good initiative to 145 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 5: look at to see where that makes a difference. But 146 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 5: we do work with government where we have a lot 147 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 5: of input in relation to legislative reforms. And as I said, 148 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 5: this most recent one we think real positive. But it's 149 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 5: getting that balance right. It's the primary thing has to 150 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 5: be about community safety. There has to be about people 151 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 5: feeling safe and being safe. 152 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: Do you think these kids are too protected? Because I 153 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: know we've all got rights and we all get treated 154 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: the same way. But if you if you offend time 155 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: and time and time again, surely you lose some of 156 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 4: those same rights that law abiding citizens. 157 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: Have absolutely naurn. 158 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 5: And I think I think we'll start and see that 159 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 5: now emerging with these new bail reforms, that community safety 160 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 5: is primacy and time and time and time again will 161 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 5: mean that people should have bail refused. 162 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Just a quick one. Shane Patton Jack's Law is a 163 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: law that's passed in Queensland. I think it's a good one. 164 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: Retailer is liable now for the sale of knives to minors. 165 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: Does something similar exists here in Victoria? 166 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: Do you know? 167 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Because knife crime is unfortunately on the increase. 168 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 5: It may feel that way, It's actually not right it. 169 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 5: It's remained pretty stable here, but nonetheless we are seeing 170 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 5: significant injuries and we're seeing more young people carry knives, 171 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 5: and it's a real area focus for us. I mean, 172 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 5: it seems every second time we apprehend someone they've got 173 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 5: a large knife or a small machete or something like that. 174 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 5: But the law is they can't be sold to mine 175 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 5: as It's as simple as that. 176 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: And you can when. 177 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: You say you can't tell the night like are we 178 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: talking like can I a seventeen year old go in 179 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: a big w and by a cut reset or are 180 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: we talking more like hunting knives and stuff? 181 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking. 182 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 5: We're talking hunting knives, we're talking machetes, controlled weapons at 183 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 5: a hunting store. But the reality is there are significant 184 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 5: penalties that you can get put in jail for up 185 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 5: to a year for having a controlled weapon in public 186 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 5: if you've got no excuse to have it, and that's 187 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: a knife. 188 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: Shane Melbournians are scared. My friends are scared. My friends 189 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: with kids, friends who park their cars in their driveways 190 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: are scared. What can we do to protect ourselves and 191 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: to keep our homes safe because people are going to 192 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: bed at night terrified. 193 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: You got a spare set a cuff chicken through me, 194 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: not fuffy. 195 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: I'm not going to touch that. 196 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: No. 197 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 5: On a serious note, we know that when these young kids, 198 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 5: when we're apprehending them generally young kids, and they've been 199 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 5: out and they've been involved in these sneaking aggravatord burglaries. 200 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: And this is not about victim blaming. 201 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 5: Let me say that with a cavet that they move 202 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 5: along the street until they actually find an open door, 203 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 5: an open window, or go through an open garage. So 204 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: it's the simple things. First of all. It's just making 205 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: sure you know your gates locked, your doors are locked, 206 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: and that sort of thing, and generally speaking, that will 207 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 5: be enough to deter someone coming in. 208 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: We had a couple of blokes jumping the fence at 209 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: our place recently and ransacked my car and I was 210 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: talking to the cops that attended the scene afterwards, and 211 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: I was saying, you know what about cameras, are they 212 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: deterring kids these days? And the cops that I was 213 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: chatting to were like, to be honest, it's more sensor 214 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: lights and stuff that light up the front yard and 215 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: then deter them to go somewhere else. 216 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: And dogs knocking dogs. 217 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, nosolutely. 218 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 5: Dogs sense like when someone's disturbed, generally speaking, they'll run 219 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 5: and move on to the next place or whatever. 220 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: I mean. 221 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 5: Cameras are a good thing as well. It allows us 222 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 5: to identify who they. 223 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: Are, but it's just doing the basics. 224 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's terrible that, as you say, Lauren, 225 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: that people feel that way, but I understand it given 226 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 5: the significant amount of these sneak and aggravated burglars we've had. 227 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: I've said this many times, but I think it's important 228 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 5: to say it again. We are throwing everything we can 229 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 5: at this Operation Trinity. Over the last year, we've arrested, 230 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 5: you know, around fifteen hundred offenders for these aggravated burglaries 231 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: and related theft of motor car. Our Earwing's out there 232 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 5: each night. Dog Squad, Public Order Response Team Detectives, uniform 233 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 5: members and generally we'll have the air wing up and 234 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 5: we will apprehend these these offenders generally most of the time. 235 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: I've got no doubt, no doubt, you guys are doing 236 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: an unbelievable job, and I think that's obviously the big 237 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: issue is the court system. But if you think that 238 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 4: these changes are going to help them, hopefully that helps 239 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 4: us all With. 240 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: We're on the air with Police Commissioner Shane Patton this morning. Shane, 241 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: if you can hang around, We've got to take a 242 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: quick break, but we've got a few more things for you. 243 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: We are probing the Popo this morning. That's Police Shane 244 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: here on. No officers ever get star struck. If you 245 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: go through an RBT the window goes down, they're like, 246 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: oh jeezkod a, boss. You know how it works. 247 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 5: I actually did a couple of months ago. I was 248 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: helping someone move and just wheeling through in a ute 249 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 5: or whatever and got pushed in and the window came 250 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 5: down and they've gone hi, boss, Boss. I said hi, 251 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 5: and just one deep breath, the hand went through the window. 252 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: It's okay. 253 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in more trouble if you let me go. 254 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to do a Chief commission We've got 255 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: a call on the line. Nicole from Mount Waverley. Good 256 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: morning to you. You're on the line with the Chief 257 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: commission You got a. 258 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 6: Question hybrid morning two. Commissioner. How are you doing? 259 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: Good morning to Carl. I'm doing well, that's good. 260 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 6: I just had a question. Understand that this aggravated burglaries 261 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 6: are quite the common place at the moment. What are 262 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 6: your thoughts on maybe some sort of reverse bychology or 263 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 6: an ad campaign that says to the purpose, Hey, you know, 264 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 6: you enter at your own risk, but everybody has a 265 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 6: right to defend their homes and their families. 266 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Well, the common question, I reckon you'd hear a lot 267 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: is what can we do in the house to protect 268 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: ourselves here? 269 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 5: Thanks to Colin and Jase, I think that's probably the 270 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 5: better point. Yeah, obviously from our point of view, we 271 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 5: say avoid confrontation. 272 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't know if this is the right thing 273 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: to do, but now I leave the car keys near 274 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: the front door. Well yeah, with the notes saying enjoy. 275 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple of things there. 276 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: I mean, so avoid the confrontation if someone breaks in, 277 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 5: if you can go to a safe area and just 278 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 5: call the police and let us deal with it right. 279 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 5: If you are confronted though, and you're not a position 280 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 5: to do that, obviously you can act to defend yourself 281 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 5: solong it's proportionate and what you're doing in relation to 282 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 5: the threat that occurs. 283 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: I know that you know what. I'll be honest. I've 284 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: had this conversation with people before. Right someone broke in, 285 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,359 Speaker 1: I found some blake in one of my kids bedrooms, 286 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: I'd go to town. I would go to town until 287 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: they are out on the floor, and then I know 288 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Then it's got to be in proportion. 289 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. I wouldn't want him getting 290 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: up in that room. 291 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: And that's why you know, I can't sit here and 292 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 5: say what you can and can't do other than it 293 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 5: has to be, you know, proportionate to the response that 294 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 5: you're facing and the threat you're facing. 295 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: And we all perceive threats differently. That's the reality. 296 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 4: Someone's in your child's bedroom. 297 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm going to town, And there are all the 298 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 5: factors you take into account. But as I said, each 299 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 5: circumstance is different. In regards to the keys, the main 300 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 5: thing I would say is don't leave them so that 301 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 5: if someone was walking past the window they could see them. 302 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to be inviting people to come in. 303 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I've got friends who are leaving 304 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: their keys in their car. If they've got a car 305 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: in a driveway that you can see so you know 306 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: it's a luxury car, it's in the driveway. Not every 307 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: house has huge gates or undercover garage, and they leave 308 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 4: their keys in the car because they would rather these 309 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: people drive away in their car than break into their 310 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: house to get the keyscourage to risk of their family 311 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: getting hurt. 312 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 313 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 5: I'm not an advocate of that one, Lauren, and I 314 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 5: understand to a degree why they would do that. But 315 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 5: you should be locking your car, if you lock your doors, 316 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 5: you lock your windows, and just take the normal steps 317 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 5: that people would stay take. Most of the time, they're 318 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 5: going to move on and go to a different house. 319 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Are you shocked by the amount of home invasions that 320 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: occur on homes that weren't actually locked in the first place. 321 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 5: I was, I'm not anymore because we keep banging on 322 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: about it, and it's not to blame people for doing it. 323 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: No, No, it's surprising how many people don't their I'm isn't 324 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: it always at each other about it. I don't care 325 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: if it's two o'clock in the afternoon. Lock the bloody door. 326 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: It blows my mind. 327 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 5: I don't know how you could feel safe going yeh, 328 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 5: knowing if someone could walk along the street and come 329 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 5: in and you know what, I'm sah, and it blows 330 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 5: my mind. 331 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: Shane Patton's on the morning. Sorry, Lesko, just quickly. 332 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: Is Melbourne a safe place to live? 333 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? It is? It is. 334 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: It is really an amazingly safe place to live, and 335 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: which may seem sort of strange when we're having this 336 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 5: discussion about aggravated burglars and people sneaking and at night, 337 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 5: but when you compare it to other jurisdictions around the world, 338 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 5: you compare it to other jurisdictions in Australia, we are 339 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: really well placed. By and large, it is a very 340 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 5: very safe place to live and work. And you know 341 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 5: it's I think that's all I can say to you. 342 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 5: By and large, that is the case. Have we got issues, absolutely, 343 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 5: I'm not in denial about that. 344 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: I was about to say, there's a caller sitting on 345 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: hold at the moment who would probably disagree with you. 346 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: We're on the air with Shane Patten, Police Commissioner. This morning, 347 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: we're going to go to Imagine Dragons and come back 348 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: with one last chat next Jason Lawrence Crove. Very special morning. 349 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: We don't normally spend this long, but we've got the 350 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: top cop in here this morning. Commissioner Shane Patton, thanks 351 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us this morning. We'll 352 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: let you go because we know you're a extremely busy man. 353 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: Do you still cruise around Mark copp car? Have you 354 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: got little flags on the front being the top cop 355 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: or anything. 356 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: There's no presidential type thing. 357 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: I get out about though each now and then, like 358 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 5: each three or four months, when I can, I get 359 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 5: out and do a patrol with someone I was out 360 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: standing on the other week, just to keep in touch 361 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 5: with reality as well and what the members are feeling 362 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 5: and experiencing. 363 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: Realizes how how much pressure they're under. That's good. I 364 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: like that. 365 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: But are you in a normal police car like when 366 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: you drove into Nova this morning? If you saw someone 367 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: pick up their mobile phone, for instance, are you like 368 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 4: sirens on? 369 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: Pull them over? 370 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: Here's his gold I saw it parked out the front. 371 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: It's an un marked car, but it has sirens and yeah, 372 00:16:59,200 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 5: all the things. 373 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: Should be able to use, all the bells and whistles. 374 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 4: All the buttons. That's all we wanted to know to 375 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: get the sirens and the buttons. 376 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen twenty fourteen is our number to join us 377 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: on the air. We've had a lot of calls from 378 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: people who. 379 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: Are unfortunate calls. 380 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, have been victims of youth crime here in Melbourne. Cash, 381 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning. What was your situation? 382 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 7: So last year it was around Good Friday, Easter holidays. 383 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 7: My partner and our friends we went to the pancakes 384 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 7: parlor and we're walking back to the car and up 385 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 7: ahead we see a young guy with the machete and 386 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 7: he was aiming towards us and chasing us for. 387 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: Us, now, directions and what time this is during the day. 388 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 7: This was around eight thirty nine o'clock at night, yeah, right, 389 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 7: and we were running back inside. I quickly saw the 390 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 7: security guard and told him to quickly bring the police. 391 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 7: And obviously with the shopping center at night, a lot 392 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 7: of places were closed, so we didn't know where to go. 393 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 7: And the young excuse me, the young managed to run 394 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 7: towards us, but he was exhausted in the end because 395 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 7: we realized he was in chased by like a drug 396 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 7: dealer or some baby guy. 397 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: Like this stuff doesn't surprise you though, that's happening on 398 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: the streets, like at eight thirty at night, just in 399 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: the burbs. 400 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 5: No, no, it doesn't surprise me, but I think importantly 401 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 5: And thanks for sharing that, Tash. I mean, obviously very 402 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: upsetting experience for yourself. But often we see that these 403 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 5: parties are known to each other, and as Tash alluded to, 404 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 5: there there's a drug dealer involved with someone else. It's 405 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 5: we do have random attacks, so I won't hide that, 406 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 5: but often parties are known to each other when they're 407 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 5: engaging in you know, warring groups and things like that. 408 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 5: But any incident is obviously not an acceptable No, not 409 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 5: at all. 410 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: That's the most frightening though. When I hear it's a 411 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: random attack, that scares Yeah. 412 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 5: Which is why we focus in the city and have 413 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 5: extra numbers there and out in patrol and visible. 414 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: We'll keep doing what we can. 415 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 5: It's a real focus for us, Shane. 416 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: Have we got enough? 417 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: Have we got enough in the police force? I know 418 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: we had some recruits in the other day who said 419 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 4: they've recently joined the police force and they love it. 420 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: How numbers going in the police force because it seems 421 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 4: like quite a scary job. 422 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 5: It's a great job. It can have its moment. So 423 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 5: like anything, we are still recruiting heavily. So this is 424 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 5: a fantastic Segwe thank you, Lauren. We are wanting people 425 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 5: to apply and join right now. We still have we're around, 426 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 5: you know, six or seven hundred below what we should 427 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 5: be because post COVID no one could go on holidays. 428 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 5: You know, we had, you know, all this mass retirement. 429 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 5: Because people have this superannuation. They want to go traveling, 430 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 5: put and go anywhere. So we are trying to recruit heavily. 431 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: At the moment. 432 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 4: We had like an amazing job. 433 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Mature age recruits in a couple of weeks ago. The 434 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: only thing this is a suggestion. You guys are running 435 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: it pretty well there, but just a suggestion. Shane, So 436 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: I know you finished the academy. You normally get posted 437 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: sometimes in a regional station. I've actually you've got a 438 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: couple of mates who would be in their thirties who 439 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: would be open to looking at the police force. But 440 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: they sit there and go I've already got two kids, 441 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: I can't relocate my family for two years to a 442 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: regional town. No exactly. That's moving kids' schools and stuff 443 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: like that. Is there any way you could look at, 444 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, for mature age officers that want to get 445 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: into it, not relocating families regionally. 446 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point, you know what I mean. 447 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, we call it the ballot or whatever, where you 448 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 5: might get vested somewhere up the country where you didn't 449 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 5: want to get to. 450 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: But that's the reason that's holding them back from the 451 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: hand up. 452 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 5: I'd never so I've taken something out of coming here 453 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 5: this morning, not that I haven't before this, but in 454 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 5: terms of whether we actually segment like a mature age 455 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 5: recruit and say well, we will make an exception for 456 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 5: you because you're a circumstance of different. 457 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: I've literally got two mates that are dead man on 458 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: the police force. But that is the one thing that's 459 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: holding them back. Their partners are like, Babe, we can't 460 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: pull the kids out of school and move to Shepherdon. 461 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: Already. 462 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 5: It's an area we're constantly looking at, and we have 463 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 5: a range of exemptions that can apply in all of 464 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 5: those things, but certainly from mature age that's something that 465 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 5: I hadn't thought through, so you can. 466 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: I ask about one very small issue, and that is 467 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: scooters in the city. Where do you sit on scooters? 468 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: Because I know the Lord Mayor has in fact decided 469 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: to outlaw them. 470 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: I don't sit on scooter. 471 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: No. 472 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 5: No, We've seen a lot of injuries from We have 473 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 5: a real lot of injuries from them, a lot of 474 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 5: non compliance and everything like that. So there matters for 475 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 5: government and the Lord Mayor. But I'm not worried about 476 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: the fact that he's banning them. 477 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: Okay, right in your mind, you it's going to make 478 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: me a bit easier for you. 479 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 5: Well, we've seen I think you know, we've had a 480 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 5: lot of the major hospitals saying this, saying a lot 481 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 5: of injuries arise from accidents. 482 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: A final question, do you sit down on the couch 483 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: and watch RBT? Do you like watching That's Man the Night? 484 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 5: No, I watch garbageish in English cop shows. 485 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: All right, you know what, let's sit down with shamee one. Right, 486 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: you're right, Clint and watch RBT and c if Shane 487 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: can pick it over runder. Yeah, just positive. 488 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, really appreciate it was good fun. 489 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 5: But just before I head off. I think congratulations in order, 490 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: aren't they. You're the number one ranking breakfast show on FM, 491 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: is it? 492 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, Shane. 493 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: We're were shocked as you are. 494 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: What is it that seems the product was better? 495 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: Thank you mate, he's good. 496 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: He got the dig in at the end. Thanks and 497 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: his arms. 498 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: So the old can't come after it. Honestly, we really 499 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: made it. We we love doing the popos. The Victorian 500 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: Police doing our standing job and we met some great 501 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: members of the force. So thanks for the work you 502 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: guys do. 503 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 4: Mate, Thank you everything you do. 504 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 5: It's police yeah poo, I've got the music to thank you. 505 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: Jane Patton, Chief po POE officer in Victoria. 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