1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:12,921 Speaker 1: Appo jay production. Senator Lambye, Thank you. 2 00:00:13,481 --> 00:00:15,561 Speaker 2: Dan Westbrook would have turned twenty six on the twelfth 3 00:00:15,601 --> 00:00:16,081 Speaker 2: of August. 4 00:00:16,081 --> 00:00:17,321 Speaker 1: But Eden died in a very. 5 00:00:17,241 --> 00:00:21,161 Speaker 2: Public death in tragic circumstances in Saint Helen's, Tasmania in 6 00:00:21,161 --> 00:00:27,241 Speaker 2: February twenty fifteen. She was found hanging by a rope 7 00:00:27,281 --> 00:00:30,561 Speaker 2: in St Helen's Park in the early morning. The police decided, 8 00:00:30,601 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: though quickly, much too quickly if you asked me, that 9 00:00:32,881 --> 00:00:38,321 Speaker 2: Eten committed suicide. But the Westbrooks and I and many 10 00:00:38,361 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: others are convinced that Eden did not take her own life. 11 00:00:41,881 --> 00:00:44,841 Speaker 3: That's Senator Jackie Lamby in the Senate on Tuesday, the 12 00:00:44,881 --> 00:00:49,521 Speaker 3: twenty sixth of August twenty twenty five, Jackie's impassionate plea 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,401 Speaker 3: to the Senate to reopen an inquest into Eden's death 14 00:00:54,161 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: and allow families like the Westbrooks full access to coronial records. 15 00:00:58,921 --> 00:01:02,361 Speaker 3: To date has fallen on deaf ears, but right now 16 00:01:02,561 --> 00:01:06,641 Speaker 3: it feels like everything is moving much quicker than ever before. 17 00:01:08,681 --> 00:01:11,721 Speaker 2: An independent inquiry without any doubt needs to be established 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,121 Speaker 2: effective immediately to address the systemic issues in this case, 19 00:01:15,161 --> 00:01:18,761 Speaker 2: to ensure ethical and best practice investigation and forensic science 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,441 Speaker 2: are less hostile approached by coroners and the development of 21 00:01:22,521 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: much needed trust and confidence in Tasmanian's police and for 22 00:01:25,401 --> 00:01:28,441 Speaker 2: God's sakes of our coronial system down there, I will 23 00:01:28,441 --> 00:01:30,361 Speaker 2: have Lfe's water say over the next week. 24 00:01:33,081 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: There was something that Jackie mentioned in the Privilege of 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,801 Speaker 3: Parliament in that Senate speech that was breakthrough news. News. 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,561 Speaker 3: To date, we haven't been able to bring you in 27 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: the podcast, but now we can. 28 00:01:45,121 --> 00:01:48,561 Speaker 2: Two additional crime scene photos have recently been discovered after 29 00:01:48,561 --> 00:01:51,361 Speaker 2: the Coroner's office forward a complete set to a rope 30 00:01:51,401 --> 00:01:54,561 Speaker 2: expert in Canada who was assisting the family. One item, 31 00:01:54,601 --> 00:01:57,321 Speaker 2: a hairband, could have been useful in determining who was 32 00:01:57,321 --> 00:01:59,921 Speaker 2: at the scene that night. Why wasn't it seized as 33 00:01:59,961 --> 00:02:00,481 Speaker 2: an exhibit? 34 00:02:01,201 --> 00:02:05,681 Speaker 3: That hairband? Whose was it, where was it found? And 35 00:02:05,721 --> 00:02:07,601 Speaker 3: why was it only discovered recently? 36 00:02:07,921 --> 00:02:11,401 Speaker 2: The Westbooks have endured more pain than most. They struggle 37 00:02:11,481 --> 00:02:14,441 Speaker 2: to understand how the coronial system can be so hostile. 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,961 Speaker 1: As if their grief wasn't. 39 00:02:15,881 --> 00:02:18,521 Speaker 2: Enough, they and their families have had to endure gas 40 00:02:18,561 --> 00:02:22,241 Speaker 2: lighting and intimidation and harassment from local police, particularly in days 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,521 Speaker 2: and months following Edon's death. Amanda and Jason's resilience and 42 00:02:25,561 --> 00:02:26,921 Speaker 2: determination is remarkable. 43 00:02:26,921 --> 00:02:27,721 Speaker 1: It is unbreakable. 44 00:02:27,721 --> 00:02:30,081 Speaker 2: But they shouldn't have to go through this. They need answers. 45 00:02:30,081 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: I want answers, and so do the people of Tasmania. 46 00:02:32,641 --> 00:02:36,041 Speaker 3: We'll go into details with Jason and Amanda in this episode. 47 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:38,081 Speaker 1: What the fuck went wrong? 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: How could you not find that? 49 00:02:40,921 --> 00:02:43,521 Speaker 3: As you can expect, Jason and Amanda are angry and 50 00:02:43,561 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: disappointed at the system in Tasmania, but this new information 51 00:02:47,121 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: that Jackie Lamby has been able to bring to light 52 00:02:49,641 --> 00:02:50,761 Speaker 3: gives them more hope. 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,761 Speaker 2: The request by the rest books, doctor Collins and myself 54 00:02:54,041 --> 00:02:56,761 Speaker 2: for the release of the autopsy photos has been refused, 55 00:02:57,081 --> 00:03:00,081 Speaker 2: essentially on the basis that there was no legal proceeding 56 00:03:00,161 --> 00:03:03,081 Speaker 2: on foot and it was not appropriate for any third 57 00:03:03,081 --> 00:03:07,041 Speaker 2: party to receive autopsy photo waterloaded rubbish. It seems that 58 00:03:07,121 --> 00:03:10,561 Speaker 2: early requests to the Tasmani's Coroner's office did not include 59 00:03:10,601 --> 00:03:13,241 Speaker 2: disclosure of the autopsy photos, as they are never on 60 00:03:13,281 --> 00:03:16,361 Speaker 2: the court's frontial file. So does this mean that those 61 00:03:16,361 --> 00:03:17,361 Speaker 2: photos were never. 62 00:03:17,201 --> 00:03:18,721 Speaker 1: Even considered by the coroner? 63 00:03:18,921 --> 00:03:21,441 Speaker 2: Good question for her to answer tomorrow, And the content 64 00:03:21,481 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: of the autopsy photos and the final expert opinion from 65 00:03:24,441 --> 00:03:28,001 Speaker 2: doctor Collins are absolutely critical to reopening of the investigation. 66 00:03:28,401 --> 00:03:31,481 Speaker 2: The Chief Magistrate recently responded to another request for the 67 00:03:31,481 --> 00:03:34,121 Speaker 2: photos on the fourteenth of April twenty twenty five, after 68 00:03:34,201 --> 00:03:37,081 Speaker 2: she had been provided with doctor Collins's report, saying that 69 00:03:37,121 --> 00:03:39,601 Speaker 2: she was considering the issues and would respond and I 70 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:42,561 Speaker 2: quote in due course end quote. 71 00:03:42,641 --> 00:03:43,921 Speaker 1: Well four months. 72 00:03:43,801 --> 00:03:46,241 Speaker 2: Later, still no respect for the family and I still 73 00:03:46,241 --> 00:03:48,361 Speaker 2: haven't had a response from you, let alone anyone else. 74 00:03:48,361 --> 00:03:51,201 Speaker 2: And doctor collins report is outlined on our Little Eaedy 75 00:03:51,281 --> 00:03:53,881 Speaker 2: podcast in April twenty twenty five. By the way, there 76 00:03:53,881 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: are six million people following this podcast. Doctor Collins found 77 00:03:57,481 --> 00:04:00,521 Speaker 2: evidence of possible blunt force trauma to Eden and a 78 00:04:00,601 --> 00:04:03,481 Speaker 2: second injury to the voice box or lower neck, inconsistent 79 00:04:03,681 --> 00:04:06,561 Speaker 2: with hanging and of the type that should have rung 80 00:04:06,681 --> 00:04:11,361 Speaker 2: alarm bells. This is contrary to the Chief Magistrate's comment 81 00:04:11,521 --> 00:04:13,521 Speaker 2: that there was no sign of any trauma to Eden 82 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:16,681 Speaker 2: in her decision several years ago to not reopen the matter. 83 00:04:16,921 --> 00:04:20,481 Speaker 2: Doctor Collins advice he was considerably end I quote ill 84 00:04:20,561 --> 00:04:24,521 Speaker 2: at ease, ill at ease end quote concerning the adequacy 85 00:04:24,761 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: and the completeness of the police investigation autopsy report. The 86 00:04:28,561 --> 00:04:31,001 Speaker 2: pathologists who undertook the autops He didn't even check to 87 00:04:31,041 --> 00:04:32,161 Speaker 2: see whether Eton had. 88 00:04:32,081 --> 00:04:34,441 Speaker 1: Been sexually assaulted or means. Seriously, it was. 89 00:04:34,401 --> 00:04:37,361 Speaker 2: Doctor Colin's opinion that the completion of the autopsy, the 90 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: most appropriate cause of death should have been. 91 00:04:39,801 --> 00:04:41,761 Speaker 1: At very least and I quote undetermined. 92 00:04:41,801 --> 00:04:44,841 Speaker 2: Doctor Collins is frustrated and disappointed like we are, and 93 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,281 Speaker 2: in his fifty years as of practicing forensic pathologist, he 94 00:04:48,361 --> 00:04:51,521 Speaker 2: is unable to remember such a denial to access of photos. 95 00:04:52,241 --> 00:04:55,161 Speaker 3: So these photos and the access to the full coronial 96 00:04:55,201 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: file by the family and their independent experts is still 97 00:04:58,801 --> 00:05:01,641 Speaker 3: being passed through Parliament. But this call out by Senator 98 00:05:01,721 --> 00:05:05,041 Speaker 3: Jackie Lamby, we hope drives more action into a case 99 00:05:05,201 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: that should have been reopened years ago. After the speech 100 00:05:09,121 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: on Tuesday night, I was able to jump on a 101 00:05:11,201 --> 00:05:14,841 Speaker 3: call with Jason and Amanda. They were busy building their 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,041 Speaker 3: new house on their yard in Saint Helen's. 103 00:05:17,561 --> 00:05:19,281 Speaker 4: Episte of having the house for the future. 104 00:05:19,281 --> 00:05:19,521 Speaker 3: Mate. 105 00:05:19,601 --> 00:05:21,801 Speaker 5: It was pouring outside, so normally I'd do it in 106 00:05:21,801 --> 00:05:23,441 Speaker 5: the wet and it was really different. 107 00:05:23,521 --> 00:05:24,641 Speaker 1: It was surreal, not. 108 00:05:24,561 --> 00:05:26,001 Speaker 4: In the wet and under the pizza of you know 109 00:05:26,041 --> 00:05:28,961 Speaker 4: where it is day she normally cooks out there, honey. 110 00:05:28,641 --> 00:05:31,841 Speaker 1: It's wet. When it's raining, I get wet, so. 111 00:05:31,801 --> 00:05:33,201 Speaker 4: It was really nice to just go and there be 112 00:05:33,281 --> 00:05:35,401 Speaker 4: dry with the air condition on and enjoy the smell 113 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,041 Speaker 4: of the aroma of the kitchen cooking in the house mate. 114 00:05:40,681 --> 00:05:43,201 Speaker 3: After the small talk, I was able to get their 115 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,121 Speaker 3: view on the information about the black hairband and how 116 00:05:47,201 --> 00:05:48,001 Speaker 3: it came about. 117 00:05:49,081 --> 00:05:50,601 Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's a lot of people in the 118 00:05:50,601 --> 00:05:52,921 Speaker 5: country that have been reaching out to us and coming 119 00:05:52,961 --> 00:05:58,841 Speaker 5: through because of the podcast, specifically with similar stories of 120 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,041 Speaker 5: you know, deemed suicide, but in fact it's not the case. 121 00:06:03,161 --> 00:06:08,121 Speaker 5: It's actually looks like murder, and to all the inquiries 122 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:11,281 Speaker 5: that those folks have made, it. 123 00:06:11,161 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Does look like murder. 124 00:06:12,841 --> 00:06:16,721 Speaker 5: So when a few people have come in, they've also 125 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: shared their resources, and a particular family from Queensland who 126 00:06:22,921 --> 00:06:28,161 Speaker 5: have also lost a son through similar circumstances, they had 127 00:06:28,161 --> 00:06:36,681 Speaker 5: a international rope expert analyze their son's exhibit and they 128 00:06:36,801 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 5: passed that same person onto us. So we were fortunate 129 00:06:40,001 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 5: enough to be able to have access. And this is 130 00:06:42,361 --> 00:06:46,841 Speaker 5: the beauty of something as strong as the podcast and 131 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,681 Speaker 5: the media talking about these subjects and sincerely. 132 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,121 Speaker 1: Backing the subject. 133 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,721 Speaker 5: We get to share and we get to see and 134 00:06:55,761 --> 00:06:57,601 Speaker 5: we get to go, oh, well, maybe that person could 135 00:06:57,641 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 5: do something for me or do you know what I mean. 136 00:07:00,841 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 5: And this is the same thing that's happened with doctor 137 00:07:03,001 --> 00:07:07,161 Speaker 5: Byron Collins, similar similar circumstances. People have reached out, I've 138 00:07:07,161 --> 00:07:09,641 Speaker 5: given the contact and things have gone. 139 00:07:11,161 --> 00:07:12,361 Speaker 1: In favor for them. 140 00:07:12,721 --> 00:07:18,041 Speaker 5: But going back to the rope expert, they requested certain 141 00:07:19,241 --> 00:07:23,881 Speaker 5: parts of the report in that they actually got an 142 00:07:23,961 --> 00:07:26,161 Speaker 5: exhibit that we didn't. 143 00:07:26,761 --> 00:07:29,761 Speaker 4: As you know doctor Barron Collins, he asked for all 144 00:07:29,801 --> 00:07:33,161 Speaker 4: the crime scene photos. I'm not going to be specific 145 00:07:33,201 --> 00:07:36,161 Speaker 4: on numbers. There may have been seventeen crime scene photos, okaj, 146 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:37,721 Speaker 4: I'm just going to give you a throw out a number. 147 00:07:37,801 --> 00:07:40,441 Speaker 4: And the forensic pathologist has looked at those seveneen crime 148 00:07:40,481 --> 00:07:43,561 Speaker 4: scene photos and he's written his interim report as you know, 149 00:07:43,681 --> 00:07:46,361 Speaker 4: throughout them, but he wants the autopsies to be certain. 150 00:07:46,681 --> 00:07:51,161 Speaker 4: Those seventeen photos were given to us or given to 151 00:07:51,401 --> 00:07:56,041 Speaker 4: the pathologists by the Coroner's office and Eden Spile. Now, 152 00:07:56,081 --> 00:08:00,921 Speaker 4: when after that we got the raping professional involved and 153 00:08:01,161 --> 00:08:05,201 Speaker 4: he wanted the rhyme scene photos for his analysis of 154 00:08:05,401 --> 00:08:09,641 Speaker 4: configuration of the rope. We approved that and then the 155 00:08:09,761 --> 00:08:13,681 Speaker 4: current are sent off those crime scenes and this is 156 00:08:13,721 --> 00:08:16,081 Speaker 4: where it gets a bit confusing for me. Jay Or 157 00:08:16,241 --> 00:08:19,681 Speaker 4: the Tasmanian police sent off their crime scene photos of 158 00:08:19,801 --> 00:08:23,761 Speaker 4: Eden's case. Now, like I said, seventeen seventeen on the file, 159 00:08:24,361 --> 00:08:27,401 Speaker 4: but two extras, let's say nineteen arrived to the frend 160 00:08:27,561 --> 00:08:31,121 Speaker 4: to the rope specialist. Now, when we found that out, 161 00:08:31,201 --> 00:08:33,241 Speaker 4: we found the anomaly of numbers. We thought, what are 162 00:08:33,281 --> 00:08:35,321 Speaker 4: those two photos that we haven't seen or the doc 163 00:08:35,401 --> 00:08:39,001 Speaker 4: hasn't seen. And we found out that one of them 164 00:08:39,121 --> 00:08:42,161 Speaker 4: was an identical picture to let's say, pitchure number fifteen, 165 00:08:42,761 --> 00:08:46,881 Speaker 4: which is okay. However, the other one was a black hairband. 166 00:08:47,761 --> 00:08:52,361 Speaker 4: Now that I find interesting because I've said earlier in 167 00:08:52,361 --> 00:08:56,801 Speaker 4: the podcast, in an episode, we know that Kate was 168 00:08:56,841 --> 00:08:59,201 Speaker 4: getting a hair braided by Eden that night, and she 169 00:08:59,361 --> 00:09:01,841 Speaker 4: brings it up in conversation with more than Amanda, more 170 00:09:02,001 --> 00:09:05,681 Speaker 4: than me. She mentions it. Now, I would be very 171 00:09:05,721 --> 00:09:09,561 Speaker 4: interested whose DNA would have been on that hairband, and 172 00:09:09,601 --> 00:09:13,561 Speaker 4: that then, if tested and gathered as an exhibit as evidence, 173 00:09:14,001 --> 00:09:15,881 Speaker 4: we would then have who was with Eden at the 174 00:09:15,921 --> 00:09:17,961 Speaker 4: time of Eden's death, and we would be able to 175 00:09:18,041 --> 00:09:20,481 Speaker 4: make investment. The police would have been able to make 176 00:09:20,521 --> 00:09:24,441 Speaker 4: appropriate investigations into why Kate was with Eden that night? 177 00:09:25,281 --> 00:09:26,881 Speaker 3: Does that hairband still exist? 178 00:09:28,041 --> 00:09:31,241 Speaker 4: No, Jay wasn't collected and gathered as evidence. Probably went 179 00:09:31,241 --> 00:09:32,441 Speaker 4: in the same bag the rope did. 180 00:09:32,561 --> 00:09:32,681 Speaker 5: Mate. 181 00:09:32,721 --> 00:09:35,841 Speaker 4: I don't know, there's nothing there. You know, they took 182 00:09:36,281 --> 00:09:39,081 Speaker 4: fingerprints of Eden. They didn't even scrape under a nails, 183 00:09:39,081 --> 00:09:41,561 Speaker 4: as Jackie's screams out, Mate, you know. 184 00:09:42,201 --> 00:09:47,161 Speaker 3: Can I ask Amanda would Eden have had a black hairband? 185 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:51,561 Speaker 5: Oh? Look, we've got five daughters and myself. We've got 186 00:09:51,681 --> 00:09:57,001 Speaker 5: boxes of ribbons. But we always went away from black 187 00:09:57,161 --> 00:09:59,481 Speaker 5: in terms of the hairbands because I used to buy 188 00:09:59,521 --> 00:10:03,121 Speaker 5: them at the local cheap store and it was a 189 00:10:03,121 --> 00:10:06,481 Speaker 5: cluster of navy blue because the kids were you know, 190 00:10:06,961 --> 00:10:12,281 Speaker 5: their uniform was blue, so I would always match their uniform. 191 00:10:12,881 --> 00:10:15,801 Speaker 5: And nowhere in their uniform is black. 192 00:10:17,121 --> 00:10:20,121 Speaker 3: In that crime scene photo of the hairband, is there 193 00:10:20,441 --> 00:10:23,041 Speaker 3: is their hair involved in that hairband? 194 00:10:23,721 --> 00:10:26,041 Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be interesting? We have a good question, mate, 195 00:10:26,081 --> 00:10:27,121 Speaker 4: that's a really good question. 196 00:10:27,241 --> 00:10:28,561 Speaker 1: The current is answer. 197 00:10:28,441 --> 00:10:31,041 Speaker 5: Jason, another question, Mate, Jason, and I haven't seen it 198 00:10:31,121 --> 00:10:31,841 Speaker 5: to say, but. 199 00:10:32,361 --> 00:10:33,641 Speaker 4: Of course it would have been hair. 200 00:10:33,681 --> 00:10:35,281 Speaker 1: And let's assume that, of course it. 201 00:10:35,281 --> 00:10:37,401 Speaker 4: Would have been DNA been able to be tested in 202 00:10:37,401 --> 00:10:40,761 Speaker 4: that hairband. You know, I'm not a forensic specialist, mate, 203 00:10:40,761 --> 00:10:43,361 Speaker 4: but I'm not. That's stupid. It definitely would have DNA 204 00:10:43,521 --> 00:10:45,601 Speaker 4: or hair particles on it, which should have been tested. 205 00:10:45,641 --> 00:10:48,441 Speaker 4: Given fifty meters fifty meters from. 206 00:10:48,241 --> 00:10:48,961 Speaker 1: A police station. 207 00:10:49,201 --> 00:10:52,401 Speaker 4: Week, fifteen year old girl on a Wednesday morning is 208 00:10:52,481 --> 00:10:56,121 Speaker 4: found dead. That's you know, that's a school nightmate. You know, 209 00:10:56,121 --> 00:10:57,761 Speaker 4: it's not a Friday night or a Saturday night. Kids 210 00:10:57,761 --> 00:11:00,041 Speaker 4: have got on there and something's were gone down. This 211 00:11:00,241 --> 00:11:02,601 Speaker 4: was a week night, and we know I would want 212 00:11:02,641 --> 00:11:05,521 Speaker 4: to know everything, even if I was a local police officer. 213 00:11:05,921 --> 00:11:09,081 Speaker 4: And you just write it off as suicide because that's 214 00:11:09,121 --> 00:11:11,521 Speaker 4: how they wanted it written, or that's because what we 215 00:11:11,561 --> 00:11:14,001 Speaker 4: thought it must have been. That's bes mate. You don't 216 00:11:14,041 --> 00:11:17,561 Speaker 4: have blinkers on this situation. You do a thorough investigation 217 00:11:17,841 --> 00:11:20,521 Speaker 4: and you get to the truth, and we. 218 00:11:21,241 --> 00:11:24,921 Speaker 5: As human beings, leave our DNA everywhere. 219 00:11:25,761 --> 00:11:32,681 Speaker 3: But unfortunately, if police didn't seize that hairband and didn't 220 00:11:32,721 --> 00:11:36,321 Speaker 3: test that hairband, that's another missed opportunity. 221 00:11:37,481 --> 00:11:42,281 Speaker 4: Surprise, surprise, Jane, isn't that surprising? Just kept on missing 222 00:11:42,321 --> 00:11:45,721 Speaker 4: the opportunities to actually you get to the truth. Just 223 00:11:45,761 --> 00:11:48,561 Speaker 4: write it off as a simple paperwork exercise, stamp it 224 00:11:48,681 --> 00:11:49,361 Speaker 4: and walk away. 225 00:11:49,841 --> 00:11:51,961 Speaker 2: Police did not seize They did do fingerprints, but they 226 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:54,241 Speaker 2: couldn't do under a nails go figure. Police did not 227 00:11:54,441 --> 00:11:57,921 Speaker 2: seize Eden's mobile phone or near by CCTV footage to 228 00:11:58,001 --> 00:11:59,401 Speaker 2: ascertain her movements that night. 229 00:11:59,441 --> 00:12:01,081 Speaker 1: They didn't check a social media cancer. 230 00:12:01,241 --> 00:12:03,761 Speaker 4: Why was that hairband? Not even photo's turning to the 231 00:12:03,761 --> 00:12:06,721 Speaker 4: coroner and when you look right into all this RTIs 232 00:12:06,761 --> 00:12:09,641 Speaker 4: that we've got. Coronas didn't even have that on their file. 233 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:12,001 Speaker 4: The autopsy photos, they've got that since we've made a 234 00:12:12,001 --> 00:12:13,721 Speaker 4: bit of a you know, we've created a bit of 235 00:12:13,761 --> 00:12:19,121 Speaker 4: wind and noise, so they've now obtained those. And you know, 236 00:12:19,281 --> 00:12:21,881 Speaker 4: in reading all the what I've been able to read, 237 00:12:22,401 --> 00:12:26,481 Speaker 4: there's anomalies from the geka, the actual person that did 238 00:12:26,481 --> 00:12:28,841 Speaker 4: the autopsy finds that second injury, which now we know 239 00:12:28,921 --> 00:12:31,441 Speaker 4: is a croychoid injury. We've got more questions. The more 240 00:12:31,481 --> 00:12:34,161 Speaker 4: and more we dig, the more questions we got. And 241 00:12:34,361 --> 00:12:36,321 Speaker 4: as you know, ten years later, we shouldn't be asking 242 00:12:36,361 --> 00:12:38,401 Speaker 4: more questions. We should be given all the answers we 243 00:12:38,441 --> 00:12:41,001 Speaker 4: need and we should all move one. What Jackie is 244 00:12:41,041 --> 00:12:45,201 Speaker 4: now put out publicly Eden's second injury. That's alarming, Jay, 245 00:12:45,401 --> 00:12:49,641 Speaker 4: And then we know that the bruising on a face 246 00:12:49,801 --> 00:12:53,161 Speaker 4: was noticeable in those crime scene photos, So what the 247 00:12:53,201 --> 00:12:54,561 Speaker 4: fuck went wrong? 248 00:12:55,361 --> 00:12:59,001 Speaker 2: They didn't even check past records of grooming, inappropriate approaches 249 00:12:59,001 --> 00:13:02,441 Speaker 2: by persons in authority to young women and similar events 250 00:13:02,441 --> 00:13:03,641 Speaker 2: in the Saint Helen's. 251 00:13:03,281 --> 00:13:04,681 Speaker 1: Area involving violence. 252 00:13:05,161 --> 00:13:08,761 Speaker 2: What inquiries were conducted given allegations of pedophilia activity and 253 00:13:08,841 --> 00:13:12,081 Speaker 2: other inappropriate behavior by policing St Helens around that time. 254 00:13:12,361 --> 00:13:14,921 Speaker 2: I certainly hid a nerve with the Commissioner of Police 255 00:13:14,921 --> 00:13:17,601 Speaker 2: in Tasmania. When I raised this issue in Parliament last 256 00:13:17,641 --> 00:13:21,081 Speaker 2: time in a previous speech recent inquiries with her, I 257 00:13:21,161 --> 00:13:23,281 Speaker 2: was advised that one officer or interest was still the 258 00:13:23,281 --> 00:13:26,041 Speaker 2: subject of an ongoing professional standards investigation. 259 00:13:26,561 --> 00:13:28,361 Speaker 1: I was very rried about the involvement of. 260 00:13:28,401 --> 00:13:31,241 Speaker 2: Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds as a coroner's associate and the 261 00:13:31,241 --> 00:13:34,441 Speaker 2: investigation of Eden's death. The Coroner, in delivering her three 262 00:13:34,481 --> 00:13:38,521 Speaker 2: page finding without inquest, stated in twenty sixteen that the 263 00:13:38,601 --> 00:13:44,241 Speaker 2: late disregarded pedophile Senior Sergeant Reynolds had provided regular oversight. 264 00:13:43,921 --> 00:13:45,321 Speaker 1: And direction to the investigation. 265 00:13:46,001 --> 00:13:48,761 Speaker 2: Section thirteen one of the Tasmanian Coroners Act nineteen ninety 266 00:13:48,801 --> 00:13:51,601 Speaker 2: five states that a coroner may delegate to a Coroner's 267 00:13:51,641 --> 00:13:54,601 Speaker 2: associate any function or power of a coroner other than 268 00:13:54,841 --> 00:13:58,761 Speaker 2: the power of delegation or a power prescribed by the regulations. 269 00:13:59,121 --> 00:14:02,481 Speaker 2: What powers, if any, were delegated by the coroner to 270 00:14:03,001 --> 00:14:06,721 Speaker 2: Senior Sergeant Reynolds in Eden's and in other cases and 271 00:14:06,761 --> 00:14:09,161 Speaker 2: in other cases, it is very arng to think that 272 00:14:09,241 --> 00:14:12,641 Speaker 2: Senior suned At Reynolds may have been exercising significant powers 273 00:14:12,721 --> 00:14:14,841 Speaker 2: on behalf of the coroner. We can only hope that 274 00:14:14,881 --> 00:14:17,721 Speaker 2: Reynolds had no role in drafting the findings in Eden's case, 275 00:14:18,001 --> 00:14:20,721 Speaker 2: which failed to list for forensic science and autopsy evidence 276 00:14:20,961 --> 00:14:23,961 Speaker 2: taken into account in determining suicide, and which failed to 277 00:14:24,001 --> 00:14:27,601 Speaker 2: outline the reasons for determining Eden's death occurring on the 278 00:14:27,641 --> 00:14:30,321 Speaker 2: seventeenth rather than the eighteenth of February. The Wire's report, 279 00:14:30,361 --> 00:14:33,121 Speaker 2: the Waste report I call it, commissioned by Tasmanian Police, 280 00:14:33,161 --> 00:14:37,081 Speaker 2: failed to examine Reynolds's role in Eden's case, despite comprehensive 281 00:14:37,081 --> 00:14:39,361 Speaker 2: written in oral submissions from the reci books and They're 282 00:14:39,361 --> 00:14:42,601 Speaker 2: then lawyer. In fact, the Wire's report failed to even 283 00:14:42,601 --> 00:14:44,601 Speaker 2: mention Eden's case it failed on a lot. 284 00:14:44,681 --> 00:14:45,881 Speaker 1: The wise report the. 285 00:14:45,921 --> 00:14:48,841 Speaker 2: Coroner's findings also stated that there was no available evidence 286 00:14:49,001 --> 00:14:52,001 Speaker 2: as to the origin of the rope, clearly contradicting. Police 287 00:14:52,321 --> 00:14:56,001 Speaker 2: invested your findings which whenever followed up or confirmed. Please 288 00:14:56,041 --> 00:14:58,041 Speaker 2: didn't even check the docks right across the road. 289 00:14:58,081 --> 00:14:59,521 Speaker 1: I mean, how lazy are you? 290 00:14:59,521 --> 00:15:02,001 Speaker 2: You didn't consider the nature and configuration of the rope 291 00:15:02,241 --> 00:15:06,521 Speaker 2: and what that meant about its likely source. Police investigation 292 00:15:06,681 --> 00:15:09,241 Speaker 2: documents indicate the rope was never ceased. Contrary to this, 293 00:15:09,521 --> 00:15:12,521 Speaker 2: the Coroner's Office advised in writing that the rope was 294 00:15:12,521 --> 00:15:14,081 Speaker 2: believed to have been destroyed as a result of the 295 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:15,641 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen disposed. 296 00:15:15,321 --> 00:15:18,001 Speaker 1: Lord under the Act. Which account is accurate? Which one? 297 00:15:18,121 --> 00:15:18,281 Speaker 5: Which? 298 00:15:18,441 --> 00:15:19,121 Speaker 1: Which one? 299 00:15:19,321 --> 00:15:21,241 Speaker 2: How are the West books supposed to amount a case 300 00:15:21,401 --> 00:15:24,961 Speaker 2: of reopening when the Coroner's Office won't provide critical information. 301 00:15:25,281 --> 00:15:27,121 Speaker 1: There are wind ranging. 302 00:15:27,001 --> 00:15:30,721 Speaker 2: And possible systemic issues involved in Eden's case, and there 303 00:15:30,761 --> 00:15:34,841 Speaker 2: is concerning lack of NATA accreditation about Tasmanian police forensic 304 00:15:34,881 --> 00:15:39,161 Speaker 2: services involving chrome sam investigation and moretory or topsy photos 305 00:15:39,321 --> 00:15:43,321 Speaker 2: within the hospital and forensic medicine environments in Tasmania. Tasmania 306 00:15:43,401 --> 00:15:46,441 Speaker 2: is well behind it's in the state, colleagues. When it 307 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:50,961 Speaker 2: comes to adopting and following accepted best practices, the Tasmanian 308 00:15:51,001 --> 00:15:53,041 Speaker 2: Police Manual is as bad as pathetic as a wet 309 00:15:53,081 --> 00:15:56,361 Speaker 2: paper bag when it comes to required standards providing information 310 00:15:56,401 --> 00:15:59,881 Speaker 2: on police powers and criminal investigation procedures. That's probably where 311 00:15:59,921 --> 00:16:01,481 Speaker 2: you need to start where you've gone wrong. 312 00:16:02,561 --> 00:16:05,601 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to our little leady. You can always 313 00:16:05,641 --> 00:16:07,521 Speaker 3: reach out to us if you have information that you 314 00:16:07,601 --> 00:16:11,081 Speaker 3: think might be useful for Jason, Amanda and the team 315 00:16:11,561 --> 00:16:15,041 Speaker 3: to investigate. That email address is what happened to Eden 316 00:16:15,121 --> 00:16:18,121 Speaker 3: at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening.