WEBVTT - The Media Show | 20 June 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.640 Vince is the Media show. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.959 Good evening, Welcome to the Media Show. I'm Caroline de 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.000 Russo coming up tonight. Channel ten has announced into a 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.800 replacement program following the acting of the project. Will it 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.120 make the same editorial mistake again? 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.240 Tucker Carlson clashes. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.760 With Senator Ted Cruz in an interview which sent tongues 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.200 wagging at a B Coleman will join me from the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.160 US with the details on that story, and we check 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.520 in with Norman Swan where is he now that story 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.240 and more with Jarreed Henderson later in the show. Now, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.400 there are rules and then there are rules, and an 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.200 ABC journalist is in more than a little hot water 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.000 for allegedly coming a cropper on one of the more 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.400 fundamental ones. Now Andrew Green, a journalist at the ABC 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.120 for more than ten years, filed a report about how 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.680 business is booming at naval shipyards in Germany. Well, that 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.240 sounds pretty benign so far. But the issue is this 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.240 Green apparently filed the story without disclosing that he went 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:06.000 to Germany courtesy of Tyson Crump Marine Services. Tyson Crub's 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.600 a shipbuilder looking to score navy contracts here in Australia 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.280 and the ABC. Well, they are now investigating an ABC's 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.160 media watch. Well, they've also taken a swing at Green 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.240 over this, and noted in their show that apparently the 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.880 ABC was unaware the Green had gone to Germany at all, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.480 as he filed this story when he returned from personal leave. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:28.840 Here's a snippet. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.559 Last week, listeners of AM's sister program, The World Today, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:39.160 heard Andrew Green filing another overseas report, this one from Germany. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.320 And this is how Green's report concluded. Listened closely for 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:44.160 the disclosure. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:46.679 Andrew Green reporting. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.080 Not a dicky bird. And why not because no one 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.320 at the abc knew Andrew Green had even gone to 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.120 Germany as far as the abc knew, Green had just 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:01.000 returned from some personal leave. In fact, act, the veteran 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.600 reporter had traveled from Sydney to Dubai, to Germany and 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.880 back again on a business class ticket that we estimate 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.280 was worth about sixteen thousand dollars and staying in hotels 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.400 in Hamburg and Keel, all of it paid for by 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.040 none other than the German weapons company TKMS. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.799 That's untidy, now, Matthew Not from the Sydney Morning Herald. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.720 He went on the same press trip to Germany. Germany, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.000 but at least he had the sense to disclose in 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.480 his report that he had visited Germany courtesy of Tyson 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.160 Krupt Marine Services. Joining me now for more on this 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.520 is Managing editor at The Australian, Darren Davidson and Saxon 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.200 Davidson of the Institute of Public Affairs. Darren, assuming these 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.560 allegations are accurate, how big a miss is this by Green? 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.080 I think he really harms the ABC's credibility. It's really 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.040 important for journalists to disclose paid trips or for meals 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.160 as we call them in the business. They're very common. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.959 They're probably becoming more commonplace, I would say, based on 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.320 my observations in recent years, and look, they can be 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.840 a really important part of reporting and the trip itself 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.760 from what I can tell you know, it looks like 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.720 it was worth doing from a news perspective, but the 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.320 crucial thing was to disclose that it was funded by 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.639 that defense contractor. Had he done that, I don't think 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.799 there would be an issue there because the story looked 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.200 like it was actually worth worth doing. Defense security is 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.520 a major major issue in Australia at the moment, as 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.040 we know from a conference that The Australian actually held 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.920 this week in camera on defense and Security and we 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.600 had a keynote from Richard Miles, the Defense Minister and 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.520 Acting Prime Minister, and we have sponsors for that conference, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.360 but we you know, we're very transparent about them. Look, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.680 whether it was intentional or not, and I'm not clear 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.520 on whether it was a deliberate omission or just a mistake, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.440 it's not great for the ABC's credibility and they really 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.040 should have clarified that and had a PostScript to the 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.720 story and apologize. And it's good to look, it's good 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.440 that media watched to looking at that and they flagged 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.320 it as well. Whether that's something to do with the 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.720 fact that he was on leave at some point during 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.720 all of this, so after the triple during the trip. Again, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.280 I'm not clear on that, and those details may have 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.280 something to do with it, but it is an important issue, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.159 and it's not like it was a travel trip, you know, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.000 to look at a spa or some kind of luxury resort. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.960 This this was a major, major story in terms of 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.200 what's at stake here and the issues. It's a serious 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.320 matter of defense and security and it should have been disclosed. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.159 Very fair observation in Saxon For those who aren't across 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.240 the ethics underlying journalism, how fundamental are they and how 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.520 early on would something like this be drummed into you? 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:41.920 Oh? 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:42.800 Very early on. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.320 I should preface this by saying that I've always thought 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.320 the functions of the ABC should be privately funded, but 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:53.120 obviously not like this. This seriously hurts the credibility of 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.159 the ABC, as Darren just said. And also, ethics in 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.760 journalism is there because people need to have trust in 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:06.400 media institutions and people individually as journalists, and if those 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:11.040 ethics are violated, as has been alleged, then the trust 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.000 in you as a journalist and in the institution that 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:18.159 you represent is broken. And also people in glasshouses shouldn't 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.640 throw stones. And quite often the ABC are the first 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.920 to look at other media institutions to say, well, they 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.919 violated this ethic or they violated that ethic. But the 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.320 ABC routinely make mistakes like this. We saw the doctored 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:37.320 footage with the war in Afghanistan and obviously this mistake 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.560 just made the ABC often do this and good on 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.040 Media Watch for looking looking at the ABC, but unfortunately 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.960 it's too infrequent and just honestly that people journalists just 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.480 need to stay ethical and obviously that that spending on 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.039 his flight should have been disclosed. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.680 Now, after sixteen years, we've finally seen the demise of 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.920 Channel tens the project. Its replacement will be called ten 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.000 Years Plus and will be hosted by Amelia Brace and 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.520 Denham Hitchcock, and it will apparently go to the hotly 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.560 contested six pm timeslot, half an hour earlier than the 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.000 project's previous timeslot. Now, the show was apparently targeted to 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.320 a more mature audience, but Channel ten apparently has received 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.000 warnings from within the industry that it needs to steer 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:26.400 clear of the progressive ideological bent which sank the project. Now, Darren, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.719 is this fair advice given you know the seismic change 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.960 in the different demographics and how they consume their media, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.240 and how relevant is the move to the six pm 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:36.800 time slot? 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.880 I think if look they ditch identity politics and lean 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:47.680 into substantial substantive journalism, I think the project faltered. It 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.720 was an innovative format in the early years, but it 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.760 just became this, as you say, identity politics, a co chamber, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.000 and I think it just that kind of progressive activist 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.800 approach to its it's journalism, I think, just lost audiences 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.760 and this is an opportunity to regain their trust. I 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.000 also agree with some of the commentary that I'm not 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.120 sure that the pivot will work. It sounds a bit 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.280 like the Project two point zero to me. So let's see, 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.320 and they are the third rated some notes fourth three 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.200 to a linear channel, so they're going to have a 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.280 really tough job winning back audiences. But it is an 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.640 opportunity for them to build up that credibility and trust 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.560 again with audiences. But I'd to be honest, I'd be 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.160 betting against them doing that a bit with. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.440 Me, and I think you're I think you're right there. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.760 If they are third or fourth, winning back that six 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.119 pm time slot is a very very difficult ask. SAT's 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.160 in the project was regularly beyond the satire. Is our 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.600 media market just too small to the same to sustain 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.320 something as progressive left as the Project? 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.120 I think it clearly is. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.160 We have some forthcoming research at the IPA looking at 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:03.600 when Wokeness in Australia peak and that found that around 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.080 six months before the Voice referendum was when Wokeness in 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.880 Australia peaked. Now was obviously reflected in the falling polls 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.560 for the Voice, but also the project has also been 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.400 suffering from falling ratings for quite a long time. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:17.560 I would say almost. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.440 A decade for a show that's sixteen years old, and 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.920 for ratings to be failing for ten out of those 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.760 sixteen years is quite a long time to be continuing to. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:28.680 Just drag along. 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.640 The Australian media market is also fracturing. People receive their 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:37.040 news from various different places and when you're, as Darren said, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.800 the fourth ranked freewow Are channel at the six pm slot, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.560 and the media is fracturing, obviously your programs are going 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.240 to continue to drag along and fail. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.079 Yeah, fair enough, and you low recall the social media 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.720 band for children under sixteen. It was introduced last year 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.600 by the Albanese government. It had bipartisan political support, but 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.120 look to be fair, it was pretty polarizing with the 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:00.840 the community. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:01.400 Now. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.240 Software trials commenced in January to find the most effective 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.920 way of verifying age and the results were released this morning. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.920 Still with you, Saxon, what were the findings and will 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.400 kids just be able to find a work around? 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.079 Well, there are various different software is being made available. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.079 Most prominently the face recognition, with some software finding within 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:28.440 eighteen months, whereas frequently some teenagers have been found to be. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.480 The software as finding teenagers to allegedly been in their 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.160 twenties or thirties. I'm a huge skeptic of this technology 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.440 simply because there's a lot of variance in teenagers in 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.760 a period of puberty. And also there will obviously workarounds 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.600 because people will just be using their siblings or their 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.400 parents or their older friends to access social media. And 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.360 ultimately I think that this social media ban is a 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.200 trojan horse for digital id laws and ultimate censorship of 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.240 the Internet doing that. This ban was brought in in 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.120 the aftermath of the misinformation debate, which the government lost. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.439 Yeah, but they're still trying, aren't they. They are still trying, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.720 and I don't think we've seen the end of that. Similarly, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.760 there was a great report in the AFR this week 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.920 about a person's news habits and what it says about 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:20.800 who they are and their age. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:21.560 Darren. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.640 From a media business perspective, how important is it to 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.680 be agile and across a changing taste. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.160 It's very difficult. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.320 You've you've got you've got to be tech savvy, agile 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.720 and then at the same time retaining you know, have 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.520 a very tight editorial product in terms of your delivery, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.000 and at the same time retain your existing audience and 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.280 entice new readers or new subscribers or new listeners or 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.880 new viewers. It's it's really really tricky, and at the 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.520 same time, you're you're grappling with the huge upheaval and 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.839 accelerated digital change in the media market. You know, we 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:07.480 were grappling with the emergency the platforms Facebook, Amazon, TikTok 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.079 and Google and have been for many years. And now 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.959 we've got the GENI, which is both a huge opportunity 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.120 for media businesses but also a bit of a threat 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.760 at the same time. And it's just you know, another 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.319 kind of similar point adjacent to what we've just been 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.160 discussing around the social media ban is that, you know, 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.599 that's very well intentioned and we support greate scrutiny of 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.280 social media and particularly if it's harmful to children, but 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.360 the enforcement of that actually risks harming traditional media businesses 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.520 because teenagers are more tech savvy than the regulators. They're 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.680 one step ahead of them. The age veriorification. Verification technology 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:48.959 clearly isn't perfect, and that doesn't work and can't enforce 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.520 these new standards. But what it does do is it 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.480 stops the ad targeting technology that media businesses rely on 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.120 to grow their pool of ad revenue from digital advertising. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.320 So it just purports actually harms the traditional media businesses 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.959 and doesn't actually achieve the aim that it set out 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.680 to achieve in terms of harmful effects on children. So 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.560 it's really really tricky. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.280 Yeah, excellent observation, Darren Davis and Saxon Davidson. Thank you 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.640 so much both for your time. Now after the break 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.040 will be Goldberg compares the oppression of women in the 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.480 Run to black people in the US. More on that shortly. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.800 Welcome back to Stars and Gripes, where we tear apart 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.160 the actions of the better activists masquerading as journalists in 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.319 the United States. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:37.800 Now. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.440 Tucker Carlson has been part of the US media landscape 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.520 for a long time, and I mean a long time. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.640 Check out a babyface Carlson on cea Span back in 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:47.000 the day. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.160 Tucker Carlson as a staff writer for The Weekly Standard. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.440 Good morning, thanks for being with us. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.319 I don't know about this guy with the boat. I 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.760 think you should pick on somebody it's on site, but 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.960 I don't know what it would be. And this little 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.000 Angland it's smile and he is pressure. But when he's 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.199 on other programs and does not call. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:08.880 In ooh, is he ever bad about talking about a Democrat? 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.920 And he's always been polarizing, but even more so since 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.640 leaving the mainstream media. This week he interviewed Republican Senator 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.959 Ted Cruz about the Israeli rank conflict. Now, he might 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.920 be polarizing, but he knows how to ask the right 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.520 questions of his guessed. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.640 How many people living around? By the way, I don't 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.679 know the population at all. No, I don't know the population. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.559 You don't know the population of the country. You seek 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:37.360 to topple how many people living around? Ninety two million? Okay? Yeah, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.400 how could you not know that? I don't sit around 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.800 memorizing population tables. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.200 Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.120 overthrow of the government. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.960 Why is it relevant whether it will because ninety million 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.000 or eighty million or a hundred million? Why because if 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.720 you don't know anything about the country, I didn't say 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.319 I don't know anything about Okay, what's the ethnic mix 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.480 of wrong? They are Persians and were predominantly Shia. Okay, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.320 so you don't know anything about Iran. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:03.880 And here's a little bit more. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:09.080 By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.760 obsession with Israel. Well, we're talking about foreign country. You're 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.960 not talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese, and 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.520 we're not talking about the Brits, you're not talking about 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.600 the French. The question what about the Jews? What about 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:19.040 the Jews? 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.640 Tell you Sam might now, Senator, you're just in the question, Tucker, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.720 You're asking why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy? 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.040 That's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and I 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.360 have that's exactly what. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:30.800 You just said. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.960 Boy, did this interview hit the headlines? CBS News Tucker 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.120 Carlson spars with Ted Cruz on Israel Iran strikes, you 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.880 don't know anything about Iran. Similarly, NBC News Tucker Carlson 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.720 clashes with Ten Cruz, you don't know anything about Iran. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.640 And in USA Today, Tucker Carlson grills Ted Cruise on Iran, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.200 highlighting conservative rift. Joining me now for more on this 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.440 is wrong Speak. Publishing founder and author of the new 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.360 book The Children We Left Behind, Adam B. Coleman Adam 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.160 Tucker has some pretty unorthodox views, but he understands the 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.600 fundamentals of journalism. He knows how to test his guests 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.480 on their knowledge of the subject matter. How fair is 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.360 that as an observation, If. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.920 I'm completely honest, I wasn't a fan of this interview, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.520 or at least the clips that have come out of 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.560 it so far. And the moment where he asked them 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.080 the population numbers he didn't know. But when he asked him, well, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.840 what's the ethnic makeup at cruise, was attempting to answer 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.960 the question and briefly cut him off and attempted to say, well, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.600 did say that he knows nothing about it? Around meanwhile, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.960 he was actually giving me an answer. I think if 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.640 this was Donald Trump and it was NBC News interviewing 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.520 Donald Trump in the same fashion, who say this is 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.560 not real journalism, this is antagonism, This is a gotcha 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.040 moment that they're trying to pull. And throughout all the 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.160 different clips that have come out, what I see from 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.680 Tucker Carlson is not being inquisitive. What he's doing is 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.880 a c and using bad faith tactics. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:07.520 In my opinion, Now, the Israel around conflict it has 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.360 caused a rift amongst conservatives in the US. What do 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.120 you think to the extent, do you think that Tucker 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.680 is representative of that rift within mainstream conservatives or do 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.320 you think he's just moved to the fringe. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.080 I think there are varying viewpoints because the Republican Party 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.080 is a mixture of what I would call traditional conservatives. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:37.400 You could also say disaffected liberals in general, anti war 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.400 people who are part of the bank of movements, since 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.280 it's much more of the populist movement. So there are 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:48.240 different factions who support either going towards war with Iran 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.800 or away from war with Iran for various reasons. So 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.080 it's not to say that Tucker is fringe. Tucker just 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:59.360 represents one of many viewpoints that exists amongst the Republican Party. 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.800 Would necessarily say that this is a purely conservative situation. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.439 This is what you have. This is the type of 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.520 situation you deal with in a populous movement. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.840 Yeah, fair enough. Now, it was only two years ago 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.399 that news Max was caughting Carlson to join their channel. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.920 They've since gone cold on the idea. They've recently described 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.159 him as being irrelevant. What in your view is the 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.840 reason for this quite a significant It appears about face. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:33.080 Well, I guess it could be Tucker's view choice, I'm sorry, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:38.320 Tucker's choice of having certain guests on. In my opinion, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.240 it could have been his interview with Vladimir Putin, which 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:46.040 was very cordial, far more cordial than how he treated 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.240 Ted Cruz. So you know, it could be some very 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:56.640 conspicuous interviews, certain viewpoints that he's more free to espouse 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.280 now that he's not under the shackles of Fox News. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.520 So I think there are various reasons why people are 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.760 feeling more hands off of them now. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:08.800 Of course, when it comes to bad takes in the 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.640 media on the Middle East, nothing quite compares to the view. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.840 But your twenty twenty five the United States is nothing 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.119 like if I step foot wearing this. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.879 Younger, I'm sorry. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.919 I mean, I can't have my hair showing. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.320 I can't wear a skirt, I can't have my think 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:25.920 it's very different to live in the United States in 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.640 twenty twenty five than it is to live in an 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:29.720 You're black, not for everybody, not. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.879 Every black guys don't go to Koran. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.480 And you know, let me tell you about being in 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.960 this country. This is the greatest country in the world. 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:39.920 But yeah, I know that. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.720 I know that, and we all know that. But every 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.080 day we are worried. Do we have to be worried 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.600 about our kids? Are their kids going to get shot 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.360 because they're running through somebody's neighbor. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.760 Adam, No matter the subject matter, Whoopi Goldberg invariably tries 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.800 to jam everything through her very narrow worldview. But this 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:01.239 is a bit ridiculous, isn't it. 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:08.000 Yeah, extremely ridiculous. I personally know people who are Christians 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:13.080 who left Iran decades ago for being persecuted as Christians. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.040 So this idea that the United States is on par 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.640 with the Iran, Well, if she actually feels that way, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.919 she's a multimillionaire. Why she's still here. You know, there 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.120 are people who have nothing from across the world who 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.359 take their last dollar to come to the United States 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.800 to flee persecution. That this multimillionaire has a lot of 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:36.680 complaints about this country, about its inherent nature, Well why stay? 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.240 There must be something about Oh wait, it's also the 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.280 greatest country in the world. So she has to wrestle 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.560 with both things. Is it the greatest country in the world? 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:51.199 And that yes, every country has its problems or is 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.480 it on par with the Iran So it's not the 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.760 greatest country in the world, So which one is it? 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:57.600 So? 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:02.800 I think this is much of herbbloviating from her geta community. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:06.800 A very conflicted position. 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:07.400 Indeed. 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.680 Now, last week, the Trump administration held a military possession 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.040 to celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:13.920 US Army. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:14.560 Now, there was. 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.320 Plenty of commentary and criticism around this event, and it 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:24.040 sparked a No King's protest. Take a look. Now, No, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.000 obviously this was reported by media outlets as you would expect, 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.360 but CBS News however, took the awkward step of appearing 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.760 to promote the sale of No King's merchandise. It did 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.639 cause quite a bit of backlash online. Did they go 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:50.440 a step too far? 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:51.400 Yeah? 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:57.960 Absolutely? Where's the journalistic integrity? Where is being impartial? And listen, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:02.119 I'm off for out the that are not partial. You know, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.080 that are not impartial, that have a bias. I'm all 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.040 for that, but just don't pretend to be otherwise. If 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.840 they want to be a left wing outlet, come out 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.720 and say we're a left wing outlet, but don't lie 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.640 to us and claim otherwise. So you know, this whole 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:22.800 no King's thing is absolutely absurd, and it doesn't surprise 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:27.640 me that this network has gotten behind it. Everyone has 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.800 become highly irrational about something that ultimately is what any 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:38.040 other country would do celebrate its military. We have moments 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.879 throughout this country, like Memorial Day, where we celebrate our 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.880 military for a particular reason. These are people who sacrifice 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.080 their lives. These are people who do the things that 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.560 many of us aren't brave enough to do ourselves, including myself. 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.240 So this idea that Trump is a king for highlighting 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.280 the greatness of our military is absolutely absurd. 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.800 Now post the BLM rights and I thought nothing could 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.000 so prize me anymore. But here are some of the 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.320 media low lights when it comes to how the US 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.439