1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, February sixth Make Gaza great again. That's Donald 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Trump's latest big idea. The US President declares America will 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: take over the Gaza Strip. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: And turn it into a booming Middle. 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: East jobs hub, but he says the residents will need 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: to be relocated. Our chief international correspondent Cameron Stewart reckons 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: this is a Trump gamble that will define the region 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: and his presidency. You can read that and all our 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: experts analysis right now at the Australian dot com dot au. 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: The ABC hired casual presenter Antoinette Latouf is part of 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: its Diverse Talent identification program. The Federal Court has heard 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: the broadcaster let Latouf go. 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: After just three days after. 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: Objecting to her social media posts about the Middle East. 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Australia's soccer sweetheart Sam Kerr is facing a jury in London. 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: She's pleaded not guilty to intentionally causing racially aggravated harassment, 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: alarm or distress to a police officer in January twenty 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: twenty three. So what did ker say in that intoxicated 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: moment and in hindsight. 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: Before we begin. 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of swearing in this episode. 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: In Australia, Sam Kerr is a superstar and. 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 3: Here is Carr. Two goals in two minutes and Sam 25 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: Karr has now written her name into the pantheon of 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: Australian football, the outright all time leading goalscorer goal number 27 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: fifty one in love. 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: She's not quite a nobody. She's the star striker at Chelsea. 29 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: Sam ker with the two goals foot through the Chelsea 30 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: Champions winning here by three goals to them. 31 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: But she's not the kind of person who taxi drivers 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: would necessarily recognize. And that's how just over two years ago, 33 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Kerve found herself sitting in twicken And Police station, having 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: been dropped off by the driver of one of London's 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: famous black cabs after a night out went wrong. In 36 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: this bodycam footage played to the court, it's past three 37 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: am and a weary cop PC Stephen Lovell is trying 38 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: to talk to Kerr, who's fairly weary herself after a 39 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: massive night out. She's sprawled on the kind of plastic 40 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: bench that's made to be hosed down. 41 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 5: Did you stay on the phone long enough to even 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 5: speak someone. 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: The cabby was furious because during the journey with her 44 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: and her now fiance, Christy Mwis, someone vomited and a 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: window got smashed. 46 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: He refused to let. 47 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Her and her girlfriend out of the cab until they 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: paid for the damage, and then he brought them to 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: the police station. Kerr is telling the cops she was 50 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: so panicked by the situation she tried to call emergency services, 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: but she says they hung up on her. 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 6: Okay, but they wouldn't do that. Though they wouldn't do that, 53 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 6: you should have spoken to the honestly. 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 7: You have stupid and white, okay. 55 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: And this is the bit that's landed her in court. 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 7: Up on stupid. I'm fucking over this ship. 57 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: This is the world fucking problem. 58 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 8: Wait on the call, Wait on the call, Wait on 59 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 8: the fucking call. 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: The taxi driver says, I wanted to get paid. They 61 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: were refusing to pay the fare. I've rung the police 62 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: and the police controller has said go to the nearest 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: police station, and that's what I did. 64 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magne is The Australian's europe correspondent. She's been in 65 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: court where the jury has been told. Once k got 66 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: to the police station, She initially refused to pay either 67 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the fair or a reparation to the cabby to fix 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: the damage, but then she agreed. We don't have video 69 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: footage of that because they believed that the case was 70 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: resolved when sam Ko agreed to pay. She's agreed to 71 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: pay nearly two thousand Australian dollars in damage. It was 72 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: nine hundred British pounds to the taxi driver and once 73 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the payment was made, the charges against malicious damage to 74 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: the taxi were dropped and then the only outstanding charge 75 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: then was that relating to racial aggravation and harassment and 76 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: public disorder. 77 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: This interview is being tape recorded. Time is twenty two 78 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 5: forty eight. On the thirty January twenty twenty three, I'MPC 79 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 5: skin that attached to Kingston Police Station. 80 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: Later that day at another London police station, Kerr was 81 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: being formally interviewed. 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 7: Samantha Kerr tenth the nineteen ninety three. 83 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 6: We're in an interview from two at Kingston Police Station. 84 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: You also confirmed Kerr declined the offer of legal assistance. 85 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: It's a voluntary interview. 86 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 6: So in your own words, what happened prior to your arrest? 87 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 7: Well, I was in a taxi and. 88 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 8: We I did vomit outside the window, and from that 89 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 8: moment onwards, the taxi driver became very aggressive and very driving, 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 8: very dangerous and had. 91 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 7: Us both very very scared. 92 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: Kerr said she never refused to pay the driver. 93 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 5: So do you remember speaking to PC level at all, 94 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 5: which turns up here's the officer. 95 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 6: I think that's wrong. Short was he. 96 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 7: Vote to three officers. 97 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 8: And honestly like didn't feel very helped. And that think 98 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 8: that's what ignited the fear, is because we were both 99 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 8: very scared, very upset, and we didn't feel like we 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 8: I guess we're believed. 101 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: Kerr said she felt the officers were pressuring her to 102 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: pay the Cabby I called to her that while prosecutors 103 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: initially decided there was insufficient evidence to charge ker the 104 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Metropolitan Police appealed that decision. In a statement taken ten 105 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: months after the incident, PC Stephen Lovell said Kerr had 106 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: made him feel humiliated and belittled, especially when she pulled 107 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: out her phone to show him her bank balance, something 108 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: curse Side says was an attempt to show she could 109 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: afford to pay a fine if required. Under questioning from 110 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: a barrister, the cop denied he was pursuing her because 111 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: she was a well known soccer player. He agreed that 112 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: at one point during the early morning exchange, he told 113 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 1: her calm yourself, young missy. 114 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 6: So do you remember saying what's the effect of quote? 115 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 6: You guys are fucking stupid and whites? Honestly, you guys 116 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 6: are stupid than whites. I'm looking in the eyes, I'm 117 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 6: looking you in the eyes. You guys are fucking stupid. 118 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 7: I definitely did not recall sing that. 119 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 6: Would you perceive these comments as racist? 120 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 7: No, because I wasn't. I don't recall saying that, so no. 121 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: PC Skinner plays the footage for Kerr in which she 122 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and Mwers are increasingly agitated, especially that girl at Clapham. 123 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: Kerr is talking about a case that's haunted. 124 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: Londoner's well, Sarah Everard case is so shocking. So it 125 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 4: became this emblematic issue about the way that the police 126 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: regard women's issues and the safety of women, and how 127 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: they approach women and treat women. 128 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: In early twenty twenty one, in the thick of London's 129 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: COVID lockdowns, thirty three year old Sarah Everard said goodbye 130 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: to her friends in Clapham Common and set off on 131 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: foot towards her home in Brixton Hill. Not too long 132 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: into her forty five minute walk, Sarah was stopped by 133 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: an off duty police officer, Wayne Cousins, who said she'd 134 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: broken London's COVID lockdown rules. Cousins handcuffed Sarah and ushered 135 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: her into his unmarked car. She never made it home. 136 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 9: Wayne Cousins appeared at the Old Bailey accused of the 137 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 9: kidnap and murder of Sarah Everard. The thirty three year 138 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 9: old's body was found in Woodland in Kent last week. 139 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: Sarah Everard's murder prompted. 140 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Outrage from women living in London who said they could 141 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: no longer trust them met police to keep them safe, 142 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: and Sam Kerr invoked the case when trying to explain 143 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: why she was so panicked by a cabby who locked 144 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: the doors and drove her to a police station after 145 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: a dispute about his soiled cab. 146 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 4: I think those comments reflect perhaps Sam Kerr's inexperience it 147 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: being in a London black cab, because when you get 148 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 4: in a London black cab, it automatically locks until you've 149 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: paid the fare to get out. So that's pretty standard, 150 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: but she may not have been familiar with that. But 151 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: in invoking Sarah Everard, she is reflecting, I think a 152 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: sense of unease at night in London, that it's a big, dark, 153 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 4: dirty place, and they clearly felt alarmed at the situation 154 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: that they didn't have control over what was happening. They 155 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: felt that they didn't know where they were going, and 156 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: they felt the driver was acting erratically and dangerously and 157 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 4: that they say they feared for their lives. How much 158 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 4: impact that has on the jury has yet to be seen. 159 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: Coming up how Sam Kerr says she wishes she'd handled 160 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: the situation. You can followed this case live plus all 161 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: the reporting from my correspondence around the world at the 162 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. We'll be back after this break. 163 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: In a police interview, when Sam Kerr is replayed the 164 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: video of herself calling the cops fucking stupid and white, 165 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: she says. 166 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 8: This, but yeah, I was obviously intoxicated and I like 167 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 8: shouldn't have been so like front footed that I was 168 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 8: very very threatened with how I felt, and like I 169 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 8: am very honest person and I can honestly say I 170 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 8: didn't feel protected in that moment as a female, and like, 171 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 8: I'm obviously here voluntary because I want to sort this out, 172 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 8: but I just think like in that moment, I felt 173 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 8: very very very threatened for one how I was being treated, 174 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 8: and to like my life in that cub. 175 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: In court, ker told the jury she'd been terrified for 176 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: her life in that taxi. 177 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: She said she began to feel sick during the drive 178 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: and put her head out the window to vomit, but 179 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: then the driver rolled up the window and began to 180 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: drive dangerously. Ker said the pair were unable to open 181 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: the windows or doors, and that Newess kicked out the 182 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: back window with her boot. Kerr, who grew up in 183 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: Western Australia, also told the jury she had thought that 184 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: night about a series of murders of women in Perth. 185 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: Kerr said there was a serial killer that was thought 186 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: to have been a taxi driver. Everyone was talking about 187 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: not getting in a taxi. Kerr said she had herself 188 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: been a victim of racism throughout her life, saying she 189 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: was often followed by security guards in shopping malls and 190 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: had been assumed to be a troublemaker by teachers as 191 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: a kid. She said she identified as white Anglo Indian. 192 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Ker told the jury she felt PC Lovell had no 193 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: idea about the power and privilege he had. She said 194 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: she felt the police were treating me differently and not 195 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: believing me. I believe they were treating me differently because 196 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: of the color of my skin. Here's some more of 197 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: that police interview played to the jury. 198 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 6: These words could be perceived as racist. 199 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 8: I'm aware that anything can be perceived as racist. 200 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 7: For sure. I was very. 201 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 8: Emotional and very I didn't feel heard and I didn't 202 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 8: feel protected in the police station. Also, the fact that 203 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 8: we only spoke to three males the whole time, even 204 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 8: though we had just come from being with a dangerous male, 205 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 8: was very, I guess, confronting. 206 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: So the case is being heard in front of the 207 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: jury in Kingston Crown Court. The charge racially aggravated harassment 208 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: carries a possible maximum penalty of two years imprisonment. More 209 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: likely is a fine. A conviction could also endanger her career. 210 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: She's captain of the Matildas, although out with a long 211 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: term injury. Kurz pleaded not guilty in this matter, and 212 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: in her police interview apologized for the whole event. 213 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 8: I wish I had just had of obviously just gone home, 214 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 8: because when you're in a threatening place and you feel 215 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 8: like that's my girlfriend of course too, so I felt 216 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 8: very angry at how she was treated too, So I 217 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 8: wish I'd just had a walked away and that in 218 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 8: the morning, really like I am now, it's always it, 219 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 8: the kindsight, it's a beautiful thing. 220 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magnet is The Australian's europe correspondent. The trial continues 221 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: in London's Kingston Crown Court. You can follow all our 222 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: reporting at the Australian dot com dot au.