Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello,
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: Lots to get to, including a major update for those
Speaker 2: of you that I know are hanging on every word
Speaker 2: about how much you're going to have to pay when
Speaker 2: it comes to aged care, especially if you want to
Speaker 2: stay in home for as long as possible. Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: says he has a new tactic of how to hold
Speaker 2: the Albaneza government both to account and then maybe put.
Speaker 1: It on its knees of the next election.
Speaker 2: And the great Nigel Ferra talking about his friend Donald
Speaker 2: Trump and that debate.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about all that in the moment or two time.
Speaker 2: As you know today the farmers were at the front
Speaker 2: of Federal Parliament and the teals inside the Parliament proved
Speaker 2: themselves to be the snobs that we all know that
Speaker 2: they are. There were an awful lot of trucks that
Speaker 2: turned up and an awful lot of farmers that ended
Speaker 2: up turning up.
Speaker 1: You know how fired up they were.
Speaker 2: And I thought, rather than showing you a politician, let's
Speaker 2: show you David Conley. He's from the Northern Territory Cattleman's Association.
Speaker 3: Our Daily Lives the business of farming has now been
Speaker 3: influenced so negatively by government that we are forced to
Speaker 3: gather and try to force the wall from the eyes
Speaker 3: of those in a position to do better. And to
Speaker 3: be honest, I'm pretty cranky about it that I have
Speaker 3: to be here at all, that a complete lack of
Speaker 3: respect and empathy from our own elected government has resulted
Speaker 3: in this for all of us.
Speaker 2: Now, all of this, of course part of the keep
Speaker 2: the Sheet movement. Thank you to everyone who signed the petition.
Speaker 2: We got very very close to one hundred thousand. I
Speaker 2: think there's literally a couple of hundred short. If you
Speaker 2: want to find out how to get there, go via
Speaker 2: my Facebook page and it'll link you to it. But
Speaker 2: let's now go inside the parliament because inevitably, when there
Speaker 2: are mass demonstrations like this, often representatives of those that
Speaker 2: have turned up to protest while they end up getting
Speaker 2: into the public.
Speaker 1: Galleries, which is completely okay.
Speaker 2: Normal members of the public are allowed to sit and
Speaker 2: watch Federal Parliament. But apparently somebody flipped the bird to
Speaker 2: Zali Stegle. Not acceptable, not okay, but jest reactions over
Speaker 2: the top, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Have a look when they decide to leave a gentleman
Speaker 4: in jeans, black teahant, overweight and bald, flip.
Speaker 1: The bird, you see.
Speaker 2: You can fat shame blokes, you can body shame men
Speaker 2: referring to them as being bald and overweight, and that's
Speaker 2: all completely fine. Into your land because of course they're
Speaker 2: surplus to needs, just like the people in regional Australia
Speaker 2: are surplus to needs. Regional Australia is not a place
Speaker 2: where people work, or bring up their kids or finish out.
Speaker 1: The end of their lives.
Speaker 2: No, it's just a place where you put solar farms
Speaker 2: and wind turbines.
Speaker 1: You see.
Speaker 2: Because the politics of the Teals is not in my backyard.
Speaker 2: They're not suggesting that there be any change to their
Speaker 2: doggie parks, but no, no, your farmlands must change. Well understandably,
Speaker 2: the party that represents many of the people who are
Speaker 2: promising to try to change the government at the next election,
Speaker 2: well they stood up in Parliament today and push against Yes.
Speaker 2: If anyone had spoken like that about a bloke, we
Speaker 2: know what would happen.
Speaker 1: So thankfully somebody said it about a bloke.
Speaker 5: I thought that that was disgraceful, that body shaming remark
Speaker 5: by the men of floringa the pejorative description of a
Speaker 5: member of our public galleries and it should be withdrawn immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, As I say, if it was said about
Speaker 1: a woman, we know what the reaction will be.
Speaker 2: It's said about a bloke. Oh whatever, surplus to needs? Well,
Speaker 2: what about Zali Stegel the full passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: Teel play me.
Speaker 2: You may see this in your workplace, may see this
Speaker 2: in some members of your family, but we'll see it
Speaker 2: too often in federal politics here, which is that when
Speaker 2: somebody was also sanctimonious but gets called out for not
Speaker 2: applying their own standards to someone, she pretends that it's
Speaker 2: because they need to identify someone before they flee the
Speaker 2: country for as they say, not doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: Not okay to flip the bird inside the parliament, but
Speaker 2: the idea that she needed to give a description as
Speaker 2: if she were speaking to the police about somebody who'd
Speaker 2: stolen it. Have a look at this for passive aggressive.
Speaker 2: I do take offense to the threat that was made
Speaker 2: to me of by the Leader of the Nationals that
Speaker 2: I should be careful.
Speaker 1: That is not the appropriate conduct in this chamber. Does
Speaker 1: the member wish to withdraw that descriptor.
Speaker 6: No, because I would like the video put it.
Speaker 7: To be identified.
Speaker 2: Seriously, honestly, there's another way could have been said, which
Speaker 2: is the bloke who's on the first row, second from
Speaker 2: the left, red T shirt. There are other ways you
Speaker 2: can describe people. Oh no, she has to be absolutely
Speaker 2: specific here and then pretend that she's the victim when
Speaker 2: she's the one who's throwing around the insults in the parliament.
Speaker 2: Is this the biggest story in the country. No, But
Speaker 2: it's just an example of this passive aggressive way that
Speaker 2: certain people behave in Australian politics.
Speaker 1: And when you.
Speaker 2: Catch them out, oh, they're the victim, not the people
Speaker 2: who they are wronging. Now, let's compare the specificity of
Speaker 2: what Zali Steggles said in the parliament today in order
Speaker 2: to track down a person who showed her the middle
Speaker 2: finger versus the international manhunt. Now for the person who
Speaker 2: police believe is responsible for pouring the boiling liquid onto
Speaker 2: little baby Luca.
Speaker 1: Now you can see what he looks like.
Speaker 2: But this is how police are very vague in their descriptions,
Speaker 2: and this is somebody wanted for a actual crime.
Speaker 6: The rest warrant for a thirty three year old male
Speaker 6: foreign national for the offense of ax intending to cause grievous,
Speaker 6: boldly harm.
Speaker 1: That could be millions of people.
Speaker 2: But oh, we couldn't possibly offend by singling out but
Speaker 2: she can say the bald fat bloke up there. As
Speaker 2: for the actual issue, again, questions back and forth in
Speaker 2: the Parliament today. We want to follow this thing through
Speaker 2: because this is going to be a major issue. How
Speaker 2: much of the media didn't talk about it today. You'd
Speaker 2: have to send out a search party to find stories
Speaker 2: on most of.
Speaker 1: The news websites.
Speaker 2: Of course, when it's one one person on a climate
Speaker 2: change protest burning a pram from all the cameras are there.
Speaker 2: When it's farmers taking a few days off from work
Speaker 2: meaning they will lose money this week. To make a
Speaker 2: point about an industry being shut down for purely ideological
Speaker 2: reasons and green and teal preferences, I do nothing to
Speaker 2: see here. But here again was the questions inside the
Speaker 2: Parliament in.
Speaker 8: The gallery today. Are farmers whose livelihoods depend on the
Speaker 8: live sheep export industry If the government continues with its
Speaker 8: ban on live sheep exports, Sedan is one country that
Speaker 8: will take up Australia's share of this market. Prime Minister
Speaker 8: who has higher animal welfare standards Sedan or Australia.
Speaker 1: And will it surprise you that the very government who's
Speaker 1: put this thing in place, remember.
Speaker 2: Whenever they have a bad idea, even if it's hounded
Speaker 2: down like it was in twenty ten when they turned
Speaker 2: off the live cataleg sports overnight because they saw something
Speaker 2: that animal activists were able to get unsurprisingly and uncritically
Speaker 2: onto four corners. Remember not footage about Australia, but footage
Speaker 2: of what was happening in Indiana as well. Of course,
Speaker 2: they just slowly hibernated for a couple of elections, then
Speaker 2: shoved it under the door in a supposed climate change
Speaker 2: election or a supposed change of government election because cost
Speaker 2: of living was so bad under the last mob and
Speaker 2: they were going to make it better under this.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: Well again his response or lack of from the people
Speaker 2: who are proud of what they're doing.
Speaker 9: I pointed out was that when the.
Speaker 10: Leader of the National Party came in the government in
Speaker 10: the first year in twenty fourteen fifteen, two point one
Speaker 10: million sheep were exported by sea at.
Speaker 9: A value of two hundred and twenty four million. In
Speaker 9: the last year in which they held office, they held office,
Speaker 9: there were four hundred and seventy five thousand sheep were
Speaker 9: exported by sea at a value of eighty million dollars.
Speaker 2: So if according to that the industry is slowly but
Speaker 2: surely dying off, why do you have to kill it off?
Speaker 2: Prime Ministe? But no one wants to follow up those questions.
Speaker 2: Do the preferences teals and grains? Now, let's get to
Speaker 2: the age care stuff. This really matters.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You know that it's a difficult story to talk about
Speaker 2: on television because there's not an awful lot of dramatic
Speaker 2: pictures that we can show you apart from generic footage
Speaker 2: of what happens in age care and strength and love
Speaker 2: to anyone who's got a family member in there or
Speaker 2: people that are watching us right now on television from there.
Speaker 2: But the Age Care Minister, well, she of course is
Speaker 2: trying to go in a take it or leave it
Speaker 2: situation to change the amount of money that you will
Speaker 2: have to spend on your own care. Now again, we've
Speaker 2: been following this all the way through the Australian newspapers.
Speaker 2: Reporting suggests that this will cost you an extra forty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars if the government got its way, suggesting that
Speaker 2: some self funded retirees entering nursing homes after July next
Speaker 2: year will face forty thousand dollars extra of having to pay. Meantime,
Speaker 2: the role gold standard on much reporting out of Canberra.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he loves when I say it, but still
Speaker 2: I'm an avid reader and follower over his comments. Phil Kourry, Well,
Speaker 2: he's been following all of this, from the reports last year,
Speaker 2: to the reports that were buried this year, to the
Speaker 2: negotiations that have happened all this year, and remember what
Speaker 2: has he been talking about. He says that the reforms
Speaker 2: based on the recommendations of the government Shared Task Force
Speaker 2: include lifting the lifetime contributions cap for residential care from
Speaker 2: seventy six to one hundred and ninety thousand dollars. The
Speaker 2: cap would go all together when it comes to home care.
Speaker 2: So potentially in this legislation being negotiated is the cap
Speaker 2: would be added by one hundred and twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: if you go into an agecare facility. But if like
Speaker 2: half of all people who were involved in the agecare system,
Speaker 2: where you have the at home or home care version,
Speaker 2: there'd be no limit.
Speaker 1: To what you could be charged.
Speaker 2: Well, this was supposed to be done and dusted a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and now it looks like it
Speaker 2: won't be done this week because the Opposition is now
Speaker 2: turning around and saying that they don't like the deal
Speaker 2: that is currently on the table now. Peter Dutton apparently
Speaker 2: was going to present the deal today and the negotiated
Speaker 2: deal to a shadow cabinet and then the wider members
Speaker 2: of the opposition, but they say they don't have enough
Speaker 2: time to work out whether this is the deal they
Speaker 2: want to do because accordingly the Opposition has only received
Speaker 2: a report from government a week ago.
Speaker 1: That's five hundred and fifty pages, i e.
Speaker 2: The piece of legislation, five hundred and fifty pages, less
Speaker 2: than a week to work out whether you're back at
Speaker 2: or not, because we've got to all get I mean,
Speaker 2: this could have been done months ago, but they hit
Speaker 2: the report in the lead up with the Dunkley by election.
Speaker 2: They buggerized around for months and months. So the deadlines
Speaker 2: are artificial here. They are all of labors making this
Speaker 2: kind of detail that older Australians and their families deserve
Speaker 2: to know, means that they are slowing down the process.
Speaker 2: And I think anyone on the liberal side who would
Speaker 2: suggest there should be no cap at all when it
Speaker 2: comes to what fifty percent of people do comes to
Speaker 2: the agecare system being taking care of yourself at home
Speaker 2: or trying to stay in your home for as long
Speaker 2: as possible, there would be understandable outrage. So I don't
Speaker 2: know whether that cap is being introduced, isn't being introduced
Speaker 2: where it's being introduced, presumably it's in that legislation. But
Speaker 2: until I know, I'm working off the reporting that we
Speaker 2: have had to this point. Richard Colbeck, of course, former
Speaker 2: Agecare Minister, knows about the system, and he says today
Speaker 2: that some of the people who may well end up
Speaker 2: being declared quote unquote wealthy in this are people who
Speaker 2: are on a part pension. The former agecre Minister has
Speaker 2: erged caution from the Coalition before accepting the Agecare Bill,
Speaker 2: saying the proposed increases of contributions for quote unquote wealthy
Speaker 2: Australians could unfairly hit part pensioners. Senator Colbeck said that
Speaker 2: while he recognized that some people in age care were
Speaker 2: being considered as wealthy and are therefore being made to
Speaker 2: pay more, but what does wealthy mean? The senator continues
Speaker 2: to say. Since the release of the Agecare Task Force,
Speaker 2: the repeated mantra from the government has been the wealthy
Speaker 2: will pay more for age care. The question is what's wealthy?
Speaker 2: Who are the extra twenty percent that we might be
Speaker 2: talking about here. That's the answer to the question, and
Speaker 2: those are the people who are currently on the part pension.
Speaker 2: I'm sure those are straining who receive part pensions will
Speaker 2: be delighted to hear their newly found status as wealthy,
Speaker 2: because that's what the government is saying about this very situation. Good, great, solid,
Speaker 2: important point. Slow it down. Let's all hear what the
Speaker 2: caps are rather than the do a dirty deal five
Speaker 2: minutes to midnight before they all bugger off and everyone
Speaker 2: starts talking about the.
Speaker 1: Footy finals this weekend. Slow the process down.
Speaker 2: We'll give us more information between now and when everyone
Speaker 2: buggers off for yet another break from Parliament. Now, the
Speaker 2: big news today is what we brought you last night.
Speaker 11: Children as old as fifteen could be banned from social media.
Speaker 11: Under a new plan being finalized by the federal government.
Speaker 2: Children could be banned from accessing social media. The Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's pledging to legislate a minimum age by the end
Speaker 2: of the year.
Speaker 12: The government committing to restricting the age of social media use,
Speaker 12: with legislation to be introduced this year and pass before
Speaker 12: the next election.
Speaker 2: Now, the other big story is the main device that
Speaker 2: people of all ages access their social media on.
Speaker 11: It seems we never go too long without Apple updating
Speaker 11: its devices, and it's just done it again. Pralia's number
Speaker 11: one a phone brand, Apple, which commands more than sixty
Speaker 11: percent of our market, has announced a new generation.
Speaker 8: Of products that look like devices straight out of the Jetsons.
Speaker 1: Now, let's be straight. I'm an applehead.
Speaker 2: I've decided that every in anything in my life should
Speaker 2: be there, and every couple of years I try to
Speaker 2: get the latest and greatest. I'm a gadget kid and
Speaker 2: always had been. But there's a reason I'm mentioning this
Speaker 2: new iPhone and all of its technical capabilities in the
Speaker 2: same breath as I am about the social media situation.
Speaker 2: You see, for the past few days, I've been saying
Speaker 2: that my genuine view about social media and its exposure
Speaker 2: to kids, we should view in the same way that
Speaker 2: we do say things like alcohol. We don't want our
Speaker 2: kids to drink until they are eighteen. And if you
Speaker 2: are one of these people who says, oh you can
Speaker 2: have a couple before, then of course firstly illegal, but.
Speaker 1: Secondly it's all under supervision. Right.
Speaker 2: Obviously, no one wants their kids teenager otherwise anywhere near drugs,
Speaker 2: lit alone smoking. But social media is all pervasive, and
Speaker 2: I believe is just as destructive as all three of
Speaker 2: those things for young people. Now, there are many books
Speaker 2: about this, there are many articles about it, and there
Speaker 2: are many experts about it. But I want to show
Speaker 2: you what I think is must watch, which is a
Speaker 2: documentary that's on Netflix, which of course you can find
Speaker 2: here in the wider Foxtel platform, or of course via
Speaker 2: lots of other ways.
Speaker 1: But it's called The Social Dilemma, and.
Speaker 2: It's a documentary that I think you'd you played in
Speaker 2: every single school because it talks about the downsides. How Essentially,
Speaker 2: in a medical sense, social media works like a casino.
Speaker 2: You have no sense of time. It's all about dopamine,
Speaker 2: and too much of dopamine means you start chasing that high,
Speaker 2: which means you can't get enough, and you end up
Speaker 2: obsessively thinking about it. Now again, I'm going to show
Speaker 2: you three things from this documentary that I hope you
Speaker 2: can go and find at some point in time when
Speaker 2: you've got the time.
Speaker 1: It's called the Social Dilemma on Netflix.
Speaker 13: Social media is a drug. I mean, we have a
Speaker 13: basic biological imperative to connect with other people that directly
Speaker 13: affects the release of dopamine and the reward pathway. Millions
Speaker 13: of years of evolution are behind that system to get
Speaker 13: us to come together and live in communities, to find
Speaker 13: needs to propagate our species. So there's no doubt that
Speaker 13: a vehicle like social media, which optimizes this connection between
Speaker 13: people is going to have the potential for addiction.
Speaker 1: That's the medical side of things. Now.
Speaker 2: Again, like other legalized drugs like tobacco or alcohol, we
Speaker 2: all know that there's a reasonable amount, there's too much,
Speaker 2: there's excessive, and then there's addictions. Now imagine all of
Speaker 2: those properties. But now social media. Now, again, the government's
Speaker 2: making whatever decision it does. But I just want to
Speaker 2: explain to you about why I feel the passion that
Speaker 2: I currently do. Of course, I come at this as
Speaker 2: the father of young kids who at some point will
Speaker 2: have to confront this, But I want to show you
Speaker 2: that in two thousand and nine twenty ten, when smartphones
Speaker 2: like the brand new iPhone were starting to enter the market.
Speaker 2: There was not just an explosion of these devices, which
Speaker 2: were incredible because just the same way you could have
Speaker 2: your entire music collection in your pocket, you can have
Speaker 2: all of your emails and the phone and the photos
Speaker 2: and the internet. The devices are incredible. But watch what
Speaker 2: the consequences have been of smartphones and social media in
Speaker 2: the same place at the same time. They starts from
Speaker 2: the States, but it's a pretty similar picture here.
Speaker 14: There has been a gigantic increase in depression and anxiety
Speaker 14: for American teenagers, which began right around between twenty eleven
Speaker 14: and twenty thirteen. The number of teenage girls out of
Speaker 14: one hundred thousand in this country who are admitted to
Speaker 14: a hospital every year because they cut themselves or otherwise
Speaker 14: harmed themselves. That number was pretty stable until around twenty
Speaker 14: ten twenty eleven, and then it begins going way up.
Speaker 2: Now I'm the data guy, so let me show you
Speaker 2: the data. The documentary is called The Social Dilemma. Watch
Speaker 2: it yourself, then watch it with your kids.
Speaker 1: Girls.
Speaker 14: It's up one hundred and eighty nine percent for the
Speaker 14: preteen girls. That's nearly triple. Even more horrifying, we see
Speaker 14: the same pattern with suicide. The older teen girls fifteen
Speaker 14: to nineteen years old, they're up seventy percent compared to
Speaker 14: the first decade of the century. The preteen girls, who
Speaker 14: have very low rates to begin with, they are up
Speaker 14: one hundred and fifty one percent. And that pattern points
Speaker 14: to social media.
Speaker 2: Pretty obvious right now. Again, prohibition doesn't work for anyone,
Speaker 2: but we have to be smart about.
Speaker 1: What this stuff is.
Speaker 2: For those of us who were around in a world
Speaker 2: before this stuff, we all see this, of course, as
Speaker 2: an add on to our lives. To the kids who
Speaker 2: have grown up with it, it is part of their
Speaker 2: lives in the same way for my generation television was
Speaker 2: certainly for my parents and their parents the introduction of television.
Speaker 2: They have a different attitude to it than I have had.
Speaker 2: But this is the same dilemma now playing out through
Speaker 2: the phones and why they are addicted to their phones
Speaker 2: again when used well, these are incredible pieces of technology,
Speaker 2: but it's not all doom and gloom, because there are
Speaker 2: some other options here. That means, if you think that
Speaker 2: your kid at some point needs a phone to be
Speaker 2: able to text their friends or to be able to
Speaker 2: take or make calls to their parents because they might
Speaker 2: be missing the bars of them, might be going to
Speaker 2: dance or footy, or all the different reasons why a
Speaker 2: teenager may need a phone. There are other options. Think
Speaker 2: about getting a smart watch before you get a smart phone.
Speaker 1: Now you can pick.
Speaker 2: Whichever brand of these are, but you can make and
Speaker 2: take a call, you can send and receive a text,
Speaker 2: but you can't scroll through Instagram or Twitter or TikTok
Speaker 2: on these things. Then perhaps the better option, though, is
Speaker 2: a thing called a dumb phone. Now, a dumb phone
Speaker 2: is an old school phone. Now, ideally they don't have
Speaker 2: a camera, because there's issues in and around care and cameras.
Speaker 2: But still these generally have very little if no access
Speaker 2: to the internet whatsoever. They can still text their friends,
Speaker 2: they can still text you, and they can still call you,
Speaker 2: and just to drive home. My final point here that
Speaker 2: in the same way that exposure to all sorts of
Speaker 2: adult things that you wouldn't give a learner driver like
Speaker 2: a brand new Mustang or Camaro to drive around in,
Speaker 2: you give them smaller cars with smaller capacities. The same
Speaker 2: exists for technology, and largely speaking, kids don't have the
Speaker 2: money to go off and buy this stuff. We buy
Speaker 2: it ford them. And I know that there are some
Speaker 2: issues at schools about kids with smartphones who bully kids
Speaker 2: with dumb phones, but we can deal with that on
Speaker 2: another level because we see the consequences when it comes
Speaker 2: to the exposure of social media and the obsessive use
Speaker 2: of it with a smartphone. Today, there was a bloke
Speaker 2: who was a law student and he wrote a piece.
Speaker 2: He's apparently nineteen years old, and he talked about how
Speaker 2: he gave up his smartphone for all week. This is
Speaker 2: an example, clearly, and I'm not saying this in any
Speaker 2: derogatory way about mister cash, but clearly this is the
Speaker 2: way someone would talk about their relationship with alcohol or tobacco.
Speaker 2: My first day of waking up in a smartphone, as
Speaker 2: waking up smartphone free, was rocky. I couldn't shake the
Speaker 2: persistent and desperate urge to reach for my usual phone,
Speaker 2: which was locked away in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: A sense of disconnection set in.
Speaker 2: Remember that whole first thing that I showed you about
Speaker 2: that human condition they play to. That's the dopamine, right.
Speaker 2: A sense of disconnection set in, accompanied by confusion about
Speaker 2: what to do with myself, he continues. Come mid morning,
Speaker 2: I felt rudderless and dull. As my eggs cooked and
Speaker 2: the shower heated up, my tram made its way along
Speaker 2: its route, I was completely nutterly bored. Now again, for
Speaker 2: some of you who don't own a smartphone, or have
Speaker 2: never owned a smartphone, or know how to turn them
Speaker 2: off or put them away, you go, well, there was
Speaker 2: a world before this, But for this kid, for my kid,
Speaker 2: for your grandkids, there wasn't a world before this stuff.
Speaker 2: What's more, I had a vague fear that war might
Speaker 2: have broken out, and that seven from Instagram's newsfeed. I
Speaker 2: was the only person in the world who didn't yet
Speaker 2: know about it, he says. He lasted three days. But
Speaker 2: that's how powerful this stuff is. Just like alcohol, just
Speaker 2: like tobacco, just like drugs, your exposure to it can
Speaker 2: eventually lead to some form of addiction. And when the
Speaker 2: addiction kicks in is when the trouble starts. Your mobile
Speaker 2: phone is an incredible piece of technology, but it is
Speaker 2: a casino. It is there deliberately with no sense of
Speaker 2: time and space, with the natural light shut out, and
Speaker 2: you constantly searching for your next win. The win here
Speaker 2: comes in many different forms. But again, forgive me for
Speaker 2: taking some moments, but I wanted to try to explain
Speaker 2: my worldview to you and give you some tools if
Speaker 2: you're a parent or a grandparent dealing with this dumb phone. First,
Speaker 2: if you're a parent with teenagers that's already in this area,
Speaker 2: sit down with them and watch The Social Dilemma, one
Speaker 2: of many excellent documentaries on this subject. There's no other
Speaker 2: way to get it than other than through Netflix, but
Speaker 2: the Social Dilemma. This stuff matters because it's the future
Speaker 2: of our country. Some good news for you from Queensland tonight,
Speaker 2: Old Giggles Miles, Well, the voters look like they are
Speaker 2: ready to wipe that smile off his ridiculous style. Today Poland,
Speaker 2: which came out via the Resolve organization published in the
Speaker 2: Brisbane Times, have a look at this. The primary vote
Speaker 2: for the Labor Party has gone from forty percent of
Speaker 2: the last election to twenty three percent going into the
Speaker 2: next week. The LNP has gone from about thirty seven
Speaker 2: up to forty four, The Greens, One Nation and all
Speaker 2: other parties basically where they've been for the past couple
Speaker 2: of years. But this means if this poll was true
Speaker 2: there's not just a change of government. A lot of
Speaker 2: people are going to lose their seats on the labor side.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Great, even better, Let's have a look at the preferred
Speaker 2: premier numbers. David Cruci Fooley has taken it up to
Speaker 2: forty percent. Miles has driven it down to twenty seven percent,
Speaker 2: in part because of behavior like this. He was in
Speaker 2: Parliament today in one of the final question times before
Speaker 2: Parliament finishes up and they make the run towards the
Speaker 2: election at the end of October. Questions were being asked
Speaker 2: about what we told you about last week, which was
Speaker 2: taxpayer money that was used for an eleven minute flight
Speaker 2: on a private jet so the Premier could hand out
Speaker 2: a birthday cake to a colleague and pretend that he
Speaker 2: was really there to make an announcement about a school fence.
Speaker 15: The premier said it was cheaper to fly a private
Speaker 15: jet than hire a car. If as the premier says
Speaker 15: it's cheaper to fly cheaper to fly a luxury private
Speaker 15: jet than hire a car, can the premier explain why
Speaker 15: more Queenslanders are not hiring luxury private jets to eat
Speaker 15: cake with a friend?
Speaker 2: Unsurprisingly, Miles, well, he had a giggling way through, didn't he.
Speaker 16: I visited four different locations over two days and return
Speaker 16: to Brisbane in time to attend an event alongside the
Speaker 16: leader of the opposition, So it might make fun politics
Speaker 16: for the member for Nango to pull out one leg
Speaker 16: of that trip. I will continue to visit regional Queensland
Speaker 16: whenever I get the opportunity, because Queensland is a big state.
Speaker 2: What do you say about a smartass who isn't very smart? Well,
Speaker 2: that's right, but I'm trying not to swear. Tomorrow eleven
Speaker 2: am Easton is when Donald Trump Kamala Harris they will
Speaker 2: have their debate. You can see it here on Sky News.
Speaker 2: I'll be here with Laura Jays before it and during it,
Speaker 2: I will be doing sort of a political googgle box
Speaker 2: watch along where we'll watch it as if it was
Speaker 2: a Grand Final with then none of them. The beautiful
Speaker 2: read of Panehy highlights on our show tomorrow night, but
Speaker 2: straight up at sky news dot com do you in
Speaker 2: the afternoon now. The organization who is hosting it is
Speaker 2: ABC in the United States, one of their free to
Speaker 2: wear networks. It is a lefty network, but unlike our
Speaker 2: lefty ABC, they have ads. It's a commercial network, they're
Speaker 2: hosting it, and this is what it will look like.
Speaker 17: The stakes could not be higher, with a new poll
Speaker 17: just out tonight showing this race is tied at forty
Speaker 17: nine forty nine. The candidates will meet face to face
Speaker 17: for the first time on this stage with no audience
Speaker 17: in the room, a very intimate setting. They've never met before.
Speaker 17: It will be Trump's seventh presidential debate. It will be
Speaker 17: the first presidential debate for Harris.
Speaker 2: Now you should know by the way that the network
Speaker 2: of AB is very, very friendly to the Democrats. In fact,
Speaker 2: the Media Research Concel in the United States was able
Speaker 2: to look at the ABC News coverage of that bloke
Speaker 2: as one of the hosts and his team one hundred
Speaker 2: percent positive of Kamala Harris, ninety three percent negative of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Unbelievable, right, So, surprise, surprise, this is going
Speaker 2: to be a home game for the Democrats. But as
Speaker 2: for the preparation, Sean Spicer, you often see with my
Speaker 2: dear friend Andrew Bolt. He's got his own show on YouTube,
Speaker 2: and he says he's been in touch with Team Trump.
Speaker 1: As late as a couple of hours ago.
Speaker 18: Trump is ready, one person told me. He probably knows
Speaker 18: her record as AG and DA better than she does,
Speaker 18: and I don't doubt it. He's got Matt Gates up there,
Speaker 18: He's got Tulci Gabbard up there. I really I feel good,
Speaker 18: and normally I'm nervous.
Speaker 2: And going to the theme that either Kamala Harris is
Speaker 2: an absolute perfectionist or is fright and when she has
Speaker 2: no safety net. This is how she has been preparing,
Speaker 2: including a staffer who is dressing and talking like Trump,
Speaker 2: but even weirder than that rollo type.
Speaker 19: She has spent the last several days at a downtown
Speaker 19: Pittsburgh hotel with aids, trying to replicate what the studio
Speaker 19: itself will look like tomorrow night. In Philadelphia. We're told
Speaker 19: there's a stage, there's cameras, there's lights, there's lecterns, and
Speaker 19: there's an ability to go back and watch the tape,
Speaker 19: review the tape with her team to get a sense
Speaker 19: of not only what she's saying, but how she's sang
Speaker 19: it on camera.
Speaker 2: Now, when you spend that many days and you're going
Speaker 2: back and you're looking at it like you're trying to
Speaker 2: perfect your golf swing, too much is going to end
Speaker 2: up getting jammed in there. But we'll all see what
Speaker 2: happens together tomorrow eleven am.
Speaker 1: She's so confident that she needs.
Speaker 2: To practice the lights, all right, One last look before
Speaker 2: we get into the debate, which inevitably will push the
Speaker 2: numbers one direction or the other. According to the betting
Speaker 2: markets tonight, Trump fifty two percent chance of winning the presidency.
Speaker 2: Why because he is considered the favorite buy book is
Speaker 2: in the Swing States and most importantly Pennsylvania. In the
Speaker 2: prediction markets, which use a lot of data and other
Speaker 2: factors apart from polls, Trump sixty four percent chance of
Speaker 2: winning the presidency. But in the raw polls and nothing else,
Speaker 2: the current averages in the Swing states, Trump up in Arizona,
Speaker 2: Harris by a bees in Nevada, Harris by a bit
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, Harris by a bit in Michigan, dead level
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, Trump by a bit in North Carolina, Trump by.
Speaker 1: A bit in Georgia. If all of that.
Speaker 2: Happens, and say Harris won Pennsylvania, Sho'd win the presidency.
Speaker 2: If Trump won Pennsylvania, he would win the presidency. So
Speaker 2: it is as lineball as it goes. Eleven o'clock tomorrow,
Speaker 2: Live here on Sky News till then a much more
Speaker 2: interesting debate is going to be happening here and nobody.
Speaker 1: Was prepping for the lights. We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: the moment or TUESDA time.
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage as well, before we're done, thanks for watching
Speaker 2: Tuesday night here on pull my ry life. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for watching in Cambell right now, Senator Holly
Speaker 2: Hughes and future Senator if he just.
Speaker 7: Keeps them on the right thing, just got to stick
Speaker 7: to the talking point.
Speaker 6: Don't you just jo this debate by playing Candy crush?
Speaker 7: So pretty well?
Speaker 1: That's how you prepare for everything.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's a moment of lighting oh side.
Speaker 6: The lighting threw me. I thought I knew my own
Speaker 6: track record, but the lighting just threw me.
Speaker 2: It's like, look, obviously with the buttons, I believe in
Speaker 2: a couple of seconds. But it's like, you can over
Speaker 2: prepare for something.
Speaker 1: Now. I know that there's sort of you know, the super.
Speaker 2: Nerd that's able to prepare, but we all know that
Speaker 2: when you're trying to shove too much in it's a desire.
Speaker 6: I generally, I genuinely reckon it is the worst possible
Speaker 6: preparation it's like having written notes ready before you're about
Speaker 6: to go on radio or whatever, because if something does
Speaker 6: and go your way, then suddenly the script goes out
Speaker 6: the window and you're left with a blank sheet again.
Speaker 7: So just you keep it all up here.
Speaker 2: But also that idea, that idea holly too, where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: did that look okay when I said it?
Speaker 1: We'll go back, have a look, change this word. Change.
Speaker 2: Then if you're thinking about where your hands and shoulders
Speaker 2: are not what you're saying, well, then guess what's going
Speaker 2: to happen?
Speaker 7: Did I look natural enough?
Speaker 1: I know I have?
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk here about let's let's talk about
Speaker 2: apparently today Pete Dutton in the party room and I
Speaker 2: know you can't possibly talk about matters to do with
Speaker 2: the party room, but leaks out of the party room
Speaker 2: or briefings out of.
Speaker 1: The party room.
Speaker 2: I think the leaks kind of went when Malcolm and
Speaker 2: Julie and.
Speaker 1: When they all disappeared.
Speaker 2: But still supposedly Peter Dutton's position now is rather than
Speaker 2: finding ways to work with the government or help the
Speaker 2: government get what it wants to be done, that now
Speaker 2: the position is going to be no free passes so
Speaker 2: we're seeing that with things like say the Reserve Bank stuff,
Speaker 2: and we're seeing that with stuff like the aged care stuff. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously the government will turn this into sort of the
Speaker 2: doctor know stuff. But Holly, reality is it is fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty in the polls. Why would you give the
Speaker 2: other side a free kick right now?
Speaker 4: Look, I think that's right, you know, I think there
Speaker 4: is at the moment in the Senate. Again, it's not
Speaker 4: in the House of Representatives, it's in the Senate that
Speaker 4: is where the legislation is going to ultimately be passed
Speaker 4: or not. And whilst I agree that we are not
Speaker 4: here to just pass things that the government wants passed
Speaker 4: without any overview and some real you know, really looking
Speaker 4: into some of the things that they're proposing, which of
Speaker 4: course we know that the government is completely limiting any
Speaker 4: sort of review by committees into their legislation. The danger is,
Speaker 4: and I think this is particularly important when it comes
Speaker 4: to the RBA, is do we as a country really
Speaker 4: want the Greens in any way dictating this policy. And
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if we can't find
Speaker 4: a compromise with the government, it's going to end up
Speaker 4: with the Joe might tell us. They're not going to
Speaker 4: form a coalition with the Greens, but they're already looking
Speaker 4: to do it. I think there's a real risk and
Speaker 4: that's where I think there does need to be strong
Speaker 4: leadership from the Economic team in their ability to negotiate,
Speaker 4: because if Jim Chalmers starts going to negotiate with Adam Band,
Speaker 4: it's going to be every Australian that pays for a
Speaker 4: very long time to come. If something as fundamental as
Speaker 4: the RBA is allowed to be turned into a political
Speaker 4: hatchet job run by the Labor.
Speaker 2: Party, well litt alone the fact of does anyone then
Speaker 2: want either Lydia Thorpe or Lamby or Pocock to be
Speaker 2: the one who's making the final touches and changes here
Speaker 2: on something of such consequence. Andrew Clonel was the one
Speaker 2: who had this story today, so let's look at his reporting.
Speaker 12: This week is the story of a frustrated agenda for
Speaker 12: the government and we've seen that with Age Care, seeing
Speaker 12: that with the RBA and Peter Duttony is seeking to
Speaker 12: pile the pressure on the government. Last time we sat
Speaker 12: we saw things like the CFMAU and NDI s get through.
Speaker 12: Not so this week they're getting no free passes.
Speaker 1: What's your sense of this?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Holly is absolutely right.
Speaker 6: I think it might be good sort of tactics and
Speaker 6: good politics to frustrate the government and force her to
Speaker 6: do deals with the Greens. But it is poor strategy
Speaker 6: and poor policy. You know, the only reason Adam Bant
Speaker 6: is in the Parliament is because Liberal Party preferences put
Speaker 6: in there the pence. They preferenced him, and the Liberals,
Speaker 6: to their credit, I think of all learned from that mistake,
Speaker 6: and Labor was stupid enough to do a deal with
Speaker 6: the Greens in twenty ten as well, so they have
Speaker 6: learned from that as well. I mean the idea, you know,
Speaker 6: Nick McKim and the Greens's idea that the government should
Speaker 6: be able to effectively dictate interest rates, that politicians should
Speaker 6: be able to say what it is terrifying. I mean,
Speaker 6: this is the sort of command economy run in Stalinist
Speaker 6: Russia and communist China. I mean, I don't think, I
Speaker 6: don't think Charmers or the Labor Party would ever in
Speaker 6: a blue moon even consider all countenance that. But the
Speaker 6: fact that it's on the table though, just gives you
Speaker 6: an idea of just how economically illiterate and extreme and
Speaker 6: ideologically extreme the Greens are. I mean, these are people
Speaker 6: who have no concept of economics and just a purely extreme,
Speaker 6: doctrinaire ideological dogma.
Speaker 7: That they slavishly adhere to.
Speaker 6: And it is terrifying to think, for the sake of
Speaker 6: this country that you would ever do an economic deal
Speaker 6: with them.
Speaker 2: Well, exactly, And again there's moments when bad ideas like
Speaker 2: whatever he's being discussed in and around age care. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm not firing shots across the bow here, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying I don't want the uncapped system that's being discussed
Speaker 2: about potentially at home. So that's fine for that to
Speaker 2: take a little time. Also, if the bill doesn't pass
Speaker 2: this week, it doesn't matter, I mean the sort of
Speaker 2: the artificial this must be done by Thursday, and if
Speaker 2: nothing happens both, Parliament's not rise for the election for
Speaker 2: multiple months.
Speaker 1: So if we're talking about this.
Speaker 4: Well, the Senate's here next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well saying look, how happy holy is it?
Speaker 1: The trail right from Camber.
Speaker 4: But it is a Senate only sitting week next week.
Speaker 4: And this is where the government has completely lost control
Speaker 4: of the agenda. Because if they did want those reforms through.
Speaker 4: That should have been through the House whatever they had,
Speaker 4: you know, four months ago, so it could have come
Speaker 4: to the Senate, gone through a committee process, and gone
Speaker 4: through a proper scrutiny of the legislation, so any amendments
Speaker 4: could be made and it could be moving forward. Instead,
Speaker 4: this government doesn't consult widely. When it does consult, it
Speaker 4: does so under NDA's It then brings it to the House,
Speaker 4: rushes it to the Senate, then Guilletine's debate trying to
Speaker 4: stop it going to committee. So they are actually creating
Speaker 4: their own problems through their vast incompetence at managing the
Speaker 4: legislative agenda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fascinating to see where it goes at
Speaker 2: the next of a while. Certainly the government thinks that
Speaker 2: when they passed these things, the great sub suburban conversation
Speaker 2: will be to talk about it.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 7: I mean everyone's going to blame the government for everything. No,
Speaker 7: one's not going to blame.
Speaker 2: A single barbecue in Australia that's going to be stopped
Speaker 2: by should they reform the result.
Speaker 6: Having but having said that, like this is this has
Speaker 6: already been done. I mean it doesn't really need another
Speaker 6: review committee. I mean, there has been an independent review
Speaker 6: of the RBI. It is handed down its findings. That
Speaker 6: is all the government is seeking to implement. It has
Speaker 6: nothing to do with the government taking control over its
Speaker 6: power of being.
Speaker 7: Able to overrule its power.
Speaker 2: Just if you have a whole new board and you're
Speaker 2: the one that gets to pick the whole new board
Speaker 2: from scratch.
Speaker 6: But the majority of the also have their opportunity to
Speaker 6: pick that whole new board whenever they was.
Speaker 1: Attempting to change the Preserve Bank. Peter Dunton's lack of
Speaker 1: the effect for our institutions. Can you imagine the.
Speaker 4: Remak putting liberals on there people? We've run businesses and.
Speaker 7: Arth and Shea and Donald.
Speaker 1: Until Google too. I know, you know it. No one
Speaker 1: knows that.
Speaker 6: I'm saying this is obviously sooner or later. Sooner or
Speaker 6: later governments.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: The whole idea of arm's length is the government has
Speaker 6: no say over who of what these agencies do, but
Speaker 6: it does appoint people to them when the terms.
Speaker 1: File chance to do it from scratch. It's not changing one.
Speaker 7: Or two lives. Opportunity for economic reform.
Speaker 2: That's why they're written it's not economic reform police, it's
Speaker 2: just about in my view, toadies to give the government
Speaker 2: what it wants.
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's talking about publico.
Speaker 4: To your point, age care is something that they're not
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 1: Age care age.
Speaker 4: Here is something families are concerned about and we don't
Speaker 4: have any legislation, there's nothing. It hasn't gone to a committee.
Speaker 4: And what is the process the government's going to achieve,
Speaker 4: you know? Are they going to push it through the House,
Speaker 4: which they've got the numbers to do, and then it
Speaker 4: comes to the Senate and they either do a dirty
Speaker 4: deal with the Greens and the cross Bench or they
Speaker 4: let it go to a committee but have a very
Speaker 4: short reporting time Labor senators who have the numbers on
Speaker 4: the committee surprisingly and never available for hearings. You get
Speaker 4: one or two three hearings maybe, which is what happened
Speaker 4: with the NDIS. And then it comes back to the Senate.
Speaker 4: Labour does another deal with the Greens and the independence
Speaker 4: skill of teams of the debate and pushes it through.
Speaker 4: This is where they really have lost control of the
Speaker 4: agenda and Australians are going to pay and pay for decades.
Speaker 6: Except that the Coalition doesn't want to be too smart
Speaker 6: by half with this, because just think of the financial
Speaker 6: win for the budget would get if the cap was
Speaker 6: abolished altogether, if there was no limit. Obviously Labour knows
Speaker 6: that there is no way they can do that and
Speaker 6: do not want to do it for obvious political reasons.
Speaker 6: But if they say, well, we had no choice, we
Speaker 6: had to do it because otherwise we would have got
Speaker 6: nothing for age care because the coalition wouldn't come to
Speaker 6: the table. They get the financial wine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Right, In the same way that Anika Wells had to
Speaker 2: come out and say the family home is not part
Speaker 2: of this to allay people's concerns, they have to turn
Speaker 2: around and say, look, there will be a cap. Don't
Speaker 2: worry everyone, there will be a cap at home. We're
Speaker 2: just working out where it's going to be. But until
Speaker 2: they if they I don't understand it's not on market
Speaker 2: sensitive with this stuff, I think they should be trying
Speaker 2: to reassure rather than renegotiate in that particular moment. Now,
Speaker 2: I often talk about the Australian economy through this metaphor,
Speaker 2: which is you know when your car's out of tune
Speaker 2: and you're sitting at the lights and it just just
Speaker 2: slightly moving forward. You're not actually doing anything, but it's
Speaker 2: just because it's out of tune.
Speaker 1: It's moving forward.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the ways they're able to keep it
Speaker 2: slightly in that position is by hiring an awful lot
Speaker 2: of public servants. Now we know that one of the
Speaker 2: knocks on previous governments has been too much money spent
Speaker 2: on outside consultants. But if you then turn around and
Speaker 2: obviously outside consultants you're only hiring for a specific period
Speaker 2: of time, versus adding people permanently to a public service
Speaker 2: who are impossible to sack, who are there forever, that
Speaker 2: would be the argument against the expansion of the public service,
Speaker 2: which has been pretty amazing. Football stadiums of people have
Speaker 2: been at an.
Speaker 6: Understand, say public servants and people think, oh bloody Cardigan
Speaker 6: wearing bureaucrats in Canberra. There these are nurses, These are
Speaker 6: age care workers. These are all sectors where teachers not
Speaker 6: an extra person are all. These are all these are
Speaker 6: all one profession which there is not enough purple. I'm
Speaker 6: sure there will be in that number somewhere, but the
Speaker 6: vast majority what is driving this is massive recruitment drive
Speaker 6: in age care, which is long overdue and necessarily in
Speaker 6: the Royal Commission founders needed.
Speaker 7: Same with nurses, same with teachers. There's a massive.
Speaker 4: Teacher So we want to talk about a command and
Speaker 4: control economy. Command and control economy. They are literally the
Speaker 4: only way we're not in a recession. You know, we're
Speaker 4: in a per capita reception recession. The only reason they've
Speaker 4: managed to get minuscule growth in the economy is because
Speaker 4: the government is paying wages, not like the private sector.
Speaker 7: You've got the government is saving us from recession teachers
Speaker 7: and nurses.
Speaker 4: Isn't that you tell the private sector. You tell the
Speaker 4: private sector they're not in recession. You go and tell
Speaker 4: a family who can't afford the mortgage your groceries, they're
Speaker 4: not in a recession.
Speaker 6: We know it's suffering, but the point is would you
Speaker 6: rather be in a worse recession and not enough nurses
Speaker 6: and not enough teachers, because that's the alternative.
Speaker 2: Okay, Gang, I'll get you to stick around because we're
Speaker 2: waiting to get the tin Cans together to talk to
Speaker 2: Niger farras in the UK.
Speaker 1: We'll do that and more of you people in a
Speaker 1: moment's time. Here on pull Marila.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see Holly and Joe next week because
Speaker 2: it's all about Niger Ferras. She was in and out
Speaker 2: of the Parliament of the UK and he's made time
Speaker 2: for us in Westminster right now, Thank you, great man.
Speaker 1: Nigel.
Speaker 2: Lots to talk to But let's talk about this massive
Speaker 2: debate tomorrow. What do you if you had any conversations
Speaker 2: with Donald?
Speaker 1: Have you given any free advice via text?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm always giving advice.
Speaker 20: Sometimes it gets listens to you. Sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Look the thing is.
Speaker 20: The thing is Paris is untested. It sounds bizarre to
Speaker 20: say it. She's been a vice president for four years,
Speaker 20: yet the American public barely know her. She's been pople
Speaker 20: in the last few weeks to get away with the
Speaker 20: scripted speech, the big stage, a couple of alist celebrities.
Speaker 1: This is different.
Speaker 20: This is can she answer questions? Can she display knowledge
Speaker 20: when there's not an auto que to hand? And so yes,
Speaker 20: of course they'll have a go at each other. She'll
Speaker 20: say he's a convicted felon, and he's going to say
Speaker 20: she's a right lefty and the real come out that
Speaker 20: will come out if she becomes president. But the really
Speaker 20: important thing with this debate is they've got to get
Speaker 20: into detail. They've got to get into economic detail, acts detail.
Speaker 20: They've got to get into detail about American energy production.
Speaker 20: They've got to get into detail about the cost of
Speaker 20: filling up your car. And above all, they've got to
Speaker 20: get into detail about the numbers that have crossed the
Speaker 20: border since Biden came to power, since she was put
Speaker 20: in charge. And if Trump can get her onto those subjects,
Speaker 20: if the invigilators do their job properly, then I think
Speaker 20: this will be the decisive moment of the whole campaign
Speaker 20: and Trump will win. But I'll give you you know
Speaker 20: there is a caveat there.
Speaker 2: We want to two f's look one hundred percent and also,
Speaker 2: as we mentioned before, there was a survey done of
Speaker 2: the newscast of ABC in America. One hundred percent negative coverage, sorry,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent positive coverage of Harris, ninety three percent
Speaker 2: negative coverage of Trump. We know he's playing an away game,
Speaker 2: but he always is in these scenarios. We keep hearing
Speaker 2: about she's going to play four D chess, trying to
Speaker 2: goad him, and all the.
Speaker 1: Rest of it.
Speaker 2: As you say, every poll, even one that shows Harris up,
Speaker 2: shows that they're with Trump on the issues. It's the
Speaker 2: personality stuff. Some of that you can change, some of
Speaker 2: that you can't. But the reality is that, as you say,
Speaker 2: if we're talking about what's on offer, people want change.
Speaker 2: This has been Harris is the co pilot of the
Speaker 2: plane that is way off course and headed into the mountain.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't have to not her out. He just has
Speaker 2: to say, I'm the guy who's going to change, and
Speaker 2: she's the one who's just saying she's going to change
Speaker 2: to win an election.
Speaker 20: Yes, I mean, she sort of almost tries to dissociate
Speaker 20: herself with the Biden regime when she was, for goot
Speaker 20: to say, the vice president. And the other thing I
Speaker 20: think's very important is what Trump can say is, look
Speaker 20: at my record. I made promises to people in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 20: and you know what I kept those promises. Compare and
Speaker 20: contrast that with what Biden said back in twenty twenty
Speaker 20: and what they've done.
Speaker 1: I just hope this.
Speaker 20: Doesn't get dominated by a cat fight, a personal fight
Speaker 20: between the two. It might have worked against Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 20: it won't work against.
Speaker 1: Harris one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And again I think that you know, if she's just
Speaker 2: in front in the polling. Then really it's Trump who's
Speaker 2: very level or in front because of the historic failures
Speaker 2: of the polls. But I wanted to get in the
Speaker 2: head of a bloke who has literally this year done
Speaker 2: how many of these different debates right where you've got
Speaker 2: all these different things playing in your head. I want
Speaker 2: to show you from CDs in the United States. This
Speaker 2: is the detail of how Harris has been preparing. Now,
Speaker 2: this stuff might be great on paper, but I think
Speaker 2: it's shoving too much into any human being's head.
Speaker 1: But have a look.
Speaker 19: She has spent the last several days at a downtown
Speaker 19: Pittsburgh hotel with aids, trying to replicate what the studio
Speaker 19: itself will look like tomorrow night in Philadelphia. We're told
Speaker 19: there's a stage, there's cameras, there's lights, there's lecterns, and
Speaker 19: there's an ability to go back and watch the tape,
Speaker 19: review the tape with her team to get a sense
Speaker 19: of not only what she's saying, but how she's sang
Speaker 19: it on camera.
Speaker 2: Nigel, that's ridiculous to go back and watch yourself on
Speaker 2: tape for whether your shoulders were in the right place,
Speaker 2: let alone where the words were. No one can remember
Speaker 2: what that process is like. You've got to respond in
Speaker 2: the moment, do.
Speaker 20: You You can fill your hate with too much. You know,
Speaker 20: either you know this stuff or you don't. My first
Speaker 20: really big national debate was against the Deputy Prime Nick Clegg.
Speaker 20: Just they were ten years ago, live, massive audience, and
Speaker 20: I prepared really carefully. I went to the Westminster Arms,
Speaker 20: had a pint and then went on. I mean I did,
Speaker 20: and then went on with the divt because I took
Speaker 20: the view. I took the view that if I didn't
Speaker 20: know by then what I was going to say, then
Speaker 20: frankly it was too late. And if she's overtrained, she
Speaker 20: will far off like a machine gun, you know, with
Speaker 20: fact she's remembered and everything else. Preparation, yes, quiet time
Speaker 20: and thought, yes, overtraining, I don't.
Speaker 1: Believe in it.
Speaker 2: What's it like to stand at one of those liktines
Speaker 2: when you've got that national audience, which you know is
Speaker 2: more than anything.
Speaker 1: Sure more people watched you in the jungle, but you
Speaker 1: get my point. I mean, what is that like?
Speaker 2: Because it's one thing to be in control of your
Speaker 2: TV show or a speech that you're giving, but what
Speaker 2: is it like explain to people what that moment is like.
Speaker 20: It was the biggest moment of my life. You know,
Speaker 20: we were heading towards a national European election. My party
Speaker 20: had hit the lead in the polls, but I was
Speaker 20: a complete outsider. He was, I mean Nick Plegg was
Speaker 20: the deputy Prime Minister and the man that now runs
Speaker 20: Meta of course for Mark Zuckerberg. And you know when
Speaker 20: I arrived and I saw the sheer size of the
Speaker 20: crowds outside and the cameras and the flashes, and I
Speaker 20: was a little bit overawed. And I'd spent a couple
Speaker 20: of days with a guy Patrick, and we were working
Speaker 20: through subjects, questions, thinking it all out. And as I
Speaker 20: left him to go towards the stage, he said to me,
Speaker 20: you know, on your own now. But I thought, gosh,
Speaker 20: I really am. Yeah, in a moment like that, you
Speaker 20: will be nervous, and it's a question of how you
Speaker 20: deal with those nerves. And Trump won't be nervous. He'll
Speaker 20: want to do well, but he's done it before. She
Speaker 20: would be far more nervous than Trump. So we'll look
Speaker 20: out for that cackling laugh.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to all of it and your analysis farage
Speaker 2: on gb News and of course with us each and
Speaker 2: every week.
Speaker 1: Thank you mate. All back to the real job as
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: A member of Parliament, which we're great to see in
Speaker 2: there as the leader of reformal.
Speaker 1: See tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Of course, after the debate we'll watch it all together
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock tomorrow with LJ.