WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 September 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.880 From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.880 Happy Tuesday night. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.880 Lots to get to, including a major update for those 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:12.600 of you that I know are hanging on every word 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:14.560 about how much you're going to have to pay when 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.239 it comes to aged care, especially if you want to 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.360 stay in home for as long as possible. Peter Dutton 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.160 says he has a new tactic of how to hold 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.759 the Albaneza government both to account and then maybe put. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.160 It on its knees of the next election. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.320 And the great Nigel Ferra talking about his friend Donald 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:31.200 Trump and that debate. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.080 We'll talk about all that in the moment or two time. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:35.760 As you know today the farmers were at the front 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.520 of Federal Parliament and the teals inside the Parliament proved 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.640 themselves to be the snobs that we all know that 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.640 they are. There were an awful lot of trucks that 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.279 turned up and an awful lot of farmers that ended 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.000 up turning up. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:49.519 You know how fired up they were. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.520 And I thought, rather than showing you a politician, let's 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.960 show you David Conley. He's from the Northern Territory Cattleman's Association. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.920 Our Daily Lives the business of farming has now been 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.360 influenced so negatively by government that we are forced to 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.360 gather and try to force the wall from the eyes 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.520 of those in a position to do better. And to 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.319 be honest, I'm pretty cranky about it that I have 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.840 to be here at all, that a complete lack of 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.760 respect and empathy from our own elected government has resulted 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.759 in this for all of us. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.080 Now, all of this, of course part of the keep 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.000 the Sheet movement. Thank you to everyone who signed the petition. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.240 We got very very close to one hundred thousand. I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.880 think there's literally a couple of hundred short. If you 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.760 want to find out how to get there, go via 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.959 my Facebook page and it'll link you to it. But 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.720 let's now go inside the parliament because inevitably, when there 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.560 are mass demonstrations like this, often representatives of those that 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.559 have turned up to protest while they end up getting 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.400 into the public. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.880 Galleries, which is completely okay. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.440 Normal members of the public are allowed to sit and 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:52.600 watch Federal Parliament. But apparently somebody flipped the bird to 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.800 Zali Stegle. Not acceptable, not okay, but jest reactions over 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:57.480 the top, isn't it. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.360 Have a look when they decide to leave a gentleman 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.360 in jeans, black teahant, overweight and bald, flip. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:11.200 The bird, you see. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.359 You can fat shame blokes, you can body shame men 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.280 referring to them as being bald and overweight, and that's 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.040 all completely fine. Into your land because of course they're 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.480 surplus to needs, just like the people in regional Australia 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.920 are surplus to needs. Regional Australia is not a place 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:31.919 where people work, or bring up their kids or finish out. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:32.720 The end of their lives. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.320 No, it's just a place where you put solar farms 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.120 and wind turbines. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:38.079 You see. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.720 Because the politics of the Teals is not in my backyard. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.440 They're not suggesting that there be any change to their 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:51.080 doggie parks, but no, no, your farmlands must change. Well understandably, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.359 the party that represents many of the people who are 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.160 promising to try to change the government at the next election, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.920 well they stood up in Parliament today and push against Yes. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.080 If anyone had spoken like that about a bloke, we 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:03.959 know what would happen. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.000 So thankfully somebody said it about a bloke. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.040 I thought that that was disgraceful, that body shaming remark 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.000 by the men of floringa the pejorative description of a 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.799 member of our public galleries and it should be withdrawn immediately. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.600 Yeah. Absolutely, As I say, if it was said about 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:24.760 a woman, we know what the reaction will be. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.519 It's said about a bloke. Oh whatever, surplus to needs? Well, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.160 what about Zali Stegel the full passive aggressive. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.200 Teel play me. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.280 You may see this in your workplace, may see this 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.000 in some members of your family, but we'll see it 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.560 too often in federal politics here, which is that when 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.320 somebody was also sanctimonious but gets called out for not 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.119 applying their own standards to someone, she pretends that it's 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.200 because they need to identify someone before they flee the 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.320 country for as they say, not doing the right thing. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.800 Not okay to flip the bird inside the parliament, but 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.440 the idea that she needed to give a description as 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.440 if she were speaking to the police about somebody who'd 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.520 stolen it. Have a look at this for passive aggressive. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.680 I do take offense to the threat that was made 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.560 to me of by the Leader of the Nationals that 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:10.720 I should be careful. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.160 That is not the appropriate conduct in this chamber. Does 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.240 the member wish to withdraw that descriptor. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.120 No, because I would like the video put it. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:21.440 To be identified. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.800 Seriously, honestly, there's another way could have been said, which 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.840 is the bloke who's on the first row, second from 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.039 the left, red T shirt. There are other ways you 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.080 can describe people. Oh no, she has to be absolutely 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.560 specific here and then pretend that she's the victim when 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.120 she's the one who's throwing around the insults in the parliament. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:43.839 Is this the biggest story in the country. No, But 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.200 it's just an example of this passive aggressive way that 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.839 certain people behave in Australian politics. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:50.719 And when you. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.279 Catch them out, oh, they're the victim, not the people 0:04:54.320 --> 0:05:00.240 who they are wronging. Now, let's compare the specificity of 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.760 what Zali Steggles said in the parliament today in order 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.359 to track down a person who showed her the middle 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:10.440 finger versus the international manhunt. Now for the person who 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.760 police believe is responsible for pouring the boiling liquid onto 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:16.159 little baby Luca. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.240 Now you can see what he looks like. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.760 But this is how police are very vague in their descriptions, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.160 and this is somebody wanted for a actual crime. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.559 The rest warrant for a thirty three year old male 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.040 foreign national for the offense of ax intending to cause grievous, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:33.719 boldly harm. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.080 That could be millions of people. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.279 But oh, we couldn't possibly offend by singling out but 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.680 she can say the bald fat bloke up there. As 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.560 for the actual issue, again, questions back and forth in 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.600 the Parliament today. We want to follow this thing through 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.480 because this is going to be a major issue. How 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.479 much of the media didn't talk about it today. You'd 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.919 have to send out a search party to find stories 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:57.520 on most of. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:58.440 The news websites. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.159 Of course, when it's one one person on a climate 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.080 change protest burning a pram from all the cameras are there. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.800 When it's farmers taking a few days off from work 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.279 meaning they will lose money this week. To make a 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.840 point about an industry being shut down for purely ideological 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.880 reasons and green and teal preferences, I do nothing to 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.040 see here. But here again was the questions inside the 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.839 Parliament in. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.839 The gallery today. Are farmers whose livelihoods depend on the 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.120 live sheep export industry If the government continues with its 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.520 ban on live sheep exports, Sedan is one country that 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.480 will take up Australia's share of this market. Prime Minister 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:39.200 who has higher animal welfare standards Sedan or Australia. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.320 And will it surprise you that the very government who's 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.200 put this thing in place, remember. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.920 Whenever they have a bad idea, even if it's hounded 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.080 down like it was in twenty ten when they turned 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.799 off the live cataleg sports overnight because they saw something 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.479 that animal activists were able to get unsurprisingly and uncritically 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.000 onto four corners. Remember not footage about Australia, but footage 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.760 of what was happening in Indiana as well. Of course, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.599 they just slowly hibernated for a couple of elections, then 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.120 shoved it under the door in a supposed climate change 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.679 election or a supposed change of government election because cost 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.200 of living was so bad under the last mob and 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.480 they were going to make it better under this. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:17.120 Oh that's right. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.920 Well again his response or lack of from the people 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.280 who are proud of what they're doing. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.480 I pointed out was that when the. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.960 Leader of the National Party came in the government in 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.920 the first year in twenty fourteen fifteen, two point one 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.120 million sheep were exported by sea at. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.800 A value of two hundred and twenty four million. In 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:46.520 the last year in which they held office, they held office, 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.480 there were four hundred and seventy five thousand sheep were 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.679 exported by sea at a value of eighty million dollars. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.480 So if according to that the industry is slowly but 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.520 surely dying off, why do you have to kill it off? 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.280 Prime Ministe? But no one wants to follow up those questions. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.880 Do the preferences teals and grains? Now, let's get to 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.320 the age care stuff. This really matters. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:09.920 Now. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.720 You know that it's a difficult story to talk about 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.720 on television because there's not an awful lot of dramatic 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.040 pictures that we can show you apart from generic footage 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.360 of what happens in age care and strength and love 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.240 to anyone who's got a family member in there or 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.720 people that are watching us right now on television from there. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.400 But the Age Care Minister, well, she of course is 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.160 trying to go in a take it or leave it 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.800 situation to change the amount of money that you will 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.079 have to spend on your own care. Now again, we've 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.560 been following this all the way through the Australian newspapers. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.040 Reporting suggests that this will cost you an extra forty 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.240 thousand dollars if the government got its way, suggesting that 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.200 some self funded retirees entering nursing homes after July next 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:56.000 year will face forty thousand dollars extra of having to pay. Meantime, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.520 the role gold standard on much reporting out of Canberra. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.400 I'm sure he loves when I say it, but still 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.560 I'm an avid reader and follower over his comments. Phil Kourry, Well, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.400 he's been following all of this, from the reports last year, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.240 to the reports that were buried this year, to the 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.320 negotiations that have happened all this year, and remember what 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.360 has he been talking about. He says that the reforms 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.120 based on the recommendations of the government Shared Task Force 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.360 include lifting the lifetime contributions cap for residential care from 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:27.559 seventy six to one hundred and ninety thousand dollars. The 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.960 cap would go all together when it comes to home care. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.280 So potentially in this legislation being negotiated is the cap 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.320 would be added by one hundred and twenty thousand dollars 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.640 if you go into an agecare facility. But if like 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.240 half of all people who were involved in the agecare system, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.440 where you have the at home or home care version, 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.000 there'd be no limit. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.280 To what you could be charged. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.640 Well, this was supposed to be done and dusted a 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.679 couple of weeks ago, and now it looks like it 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.439 won't be done this week because the Opposition is now 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.560 turning around and saying that they don't like the deal 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.160 that is currently on the table now. Peter Dutton apparently 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.080 was going to present the deal today and the negotiated 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.760 deal to a shadow cabinet and then the wider members 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.199 of the opposition, but they say they don't have enough 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:18.840 time to work out whether this is the deal they 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:23.120 want to do because accordingly the Opposition has only received 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.560 a report from government a week ago. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.199 That's five hundred and fifty pages, i e. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.280 The piece of legislation, five hundred and fifty pages, less 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:31.800 than a week to work out whether you're back at 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.080 or not, because we've got to all get I mean, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.160 this could have been done months ago, but they hit 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.680 the report in the lead up with the Dunkley by election. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.160 They buggerized around for months and months. So the deadlines 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.400 are artificial here. They are all of labors making this 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.400 kind of detail that older Australians and their families deserve 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.840 to know, means that they are slowing down the process. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.880 And I think anyone on the liberal side who would 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.800 suggest there should be no cap at all when it 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.440 comes to what fifty percent of people do comes to 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.440 the agecare system being taking care of yourself at home 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.160 or trying to stay in your home for as long 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.840 as possible, there would be understandable outrage. So I don't 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.640 know whether that cap is being introduced, isn't being introduced 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.480 where it's being introduced, presumably it's in that legislation. But 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.200 until I know, I'm working off the reporting that we 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.720 have had to this point. Richard Colbeck, of course, former 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.000 Agecare Minister, knows about the system, and he says today 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:26.640 that some of the people who may well end up 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.679 being declared quote unquote wealthy in this are people who 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.120 are on a part pension. The former agecre Minister has 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.040 erged caution from the Coalition before accepting the Agecare Bill, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.360 saying the proposed increases of contributions for quote unquote wealthy 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:45.280 Australians could unfairly hit part pensioners. Senator Colbeck said that 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.079 while he recognized that some people in age care were 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.600 being considered as wealthy and are therefore being made to 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:57.440 pay more, but what does wealthy mean? The senator continues 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.800 to say. Since the release of the Agecare Task Force, 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.120 the repeated mantra from the government has been the wealthy 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.959 will pay more for age care. The question is what's wealthy? 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.040 Who are the extra twenty percent that we might be 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.720 talking about here. That's the answer to the question, and 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.720 those are the people who are currently on the part pension. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.200 I'm sure those are straining who receive part pensions will 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.959 be delighted to hear their newly found status as wealthy, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:25.120 because that's what the government is saying about this very situation. Good, great, solid, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.680 important point. Slow it down. Let's all hear what the 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.800 caps are rather than the do a dirty deal five 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.360 minutes to midnight before they all bugger off and everyone 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:35.280 starts talking about the. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.960 Footy finals this weekend. Slow the process down. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.960 We'll give us more information between now and when everyone 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.800 buggers off for yet another break from Parliament. Now, the 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.120 big news today is what we brought you last night. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.200 Children as old as fifteen could be banned from social media. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.760 Under a new plan being finalized by the federal government. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.520 Children could be banned from accessing social media. The Prime 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.280 Minister's pledging to legislate a minimum age by the end 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:03.680 of the year. 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.960 The government committing to restricting the age of social media use, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.920 with legislation to be introduced this year and pass before 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:11.840 the next election. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.440 Now, the other big story is the main device that 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.240 people of all ages access their social media on. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.720 It seems we never go too long without Apple updating 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.200 its devices, and it's just done it again. Pralia's number 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.880 one a phone brand, Apple, which commands more than sixty 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.920 percent of our market, has announced a new generation. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.000 Of products that look like devices straight out of the Jetsons. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.760 Now, let's be straight. I'm an applehead. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.400 I've decided that every in anything in my life should 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.920 be there, and every couple of years I try to 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.240 get the latest and greatest. I'm a gadget kid and 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.760 always had been. But there's a reason I'm mentioning this 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.000 new iPhone and all of its technical capabilities in the 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.560 same breath as I am about the social media situation. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.760 You see, for the past few days, I've been saying 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.479 that my genuine view about social media and its exposure 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.920 to kids, we should view in the same way that 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.920 we do say things like alcohol. We don't want our 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.240 kids to drink until they are eighteen. And if you 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:12.679 are one of these people who says, oh you can 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.280 have a couple before, then of course firstly illegal, but. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.280 Secondly it's all under supervision. Right. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.520 Obviously, no one wants their kids teenager otherwise anywhere near drugs, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:28.400 lit alone smoking. But social media is all pervasive, and 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.600 I believe is just as destructive as all three of 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.280 those things for young people. Now, there are many books 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.200 about this, there are many articles about it, and there 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.240 are many experts about it. But I want to show 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.280 you what I think is must watch, which is a 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.680 documentary that's on Netflix, which of course you can find 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:52.080 here in the wider Foxtel platform, or of course via 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:54.320 lots of other ways. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.800 But it's called The Social Dilemma, and. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.400 It's a documentary that I think you'd you played in 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:05.920 every single school because it talks about the downsides. How Essentially, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.040 in a medical sense, social media works like a casino. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.880 You have no sense of time. It's all about dopamine, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.960 and too much of dopamine means you start chasing that high, 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.640 which means you can't get enough, and you end up 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:23.680 obsessively thinking about it. Now again, I'm going to show 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.720 you three things from this documentary that I hope you 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.760 can go and find at some point in time when 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:29.240 you've got the time. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.520 It's called the Social Dilemma on Netflix. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.040 Social media is a drug. I mean, we have a 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:42.240 basic biological imperative to connect with other people that directly 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:46.640 affects the release of dopamine and the reward pathway. Millions 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.640 of years of evolution are behind that system to get 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.840 us to come together and live in communities, to find 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.320 needs to propagate our species. So there's no doubt that 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:02.600 a vehicle like social media, which optimizes this connection between 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.760 people is going to have the potential for addiction. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.800 That's the medical side of things. Now. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:14.720 Again, like other legalized drugs like tobacco or alcohol, we 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.480 all know that there's a reasonable amount, there's too much, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:22.040 there's excessive, and then there's addictions. Now imagine all of 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:26.720 those properties. But now social media. Now, again, the government's 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.720 making whatever decision it does. But I just want to 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.480 explain to you about why I feel the passion that 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.400 I currently do. Of course, I come at this as 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.480 the father of young kids who at some point will 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.400 have to confront this, But I want to show you 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:47.320 that in two thousand and nine twenty ten, when smartphones 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.120 like the brand new iPhone were starting to enter the market. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.200 There was not just an explosion of these devices, which 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.120 were incredible because just the same way you could have 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.400 your entire music collection in your pocket, you can have 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.760 all of your emails and the phone and the photos 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.960 and the internet. The devices are incredible. But watch what 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:11.800 the consequences have been of smartphones and social media in 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.800 the same place at the same time. They starts from 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.080 the States, but it's a pretty similar picture here. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.520 There has been a gigantic increase in depression and anxiety 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.080 for American teenagers, which began right around between twenty eleven 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.040 and twenty thirteen. The number of teenage girls out of 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.679 one hundred thousand in this country who are admitted to 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.560 a hospital every year because they cut themselves or otherwise 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.240 harmed themselves. That number was pretty stable until around twenty 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.440 ten twenty eleven, and then it begins going way up. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.240 Now I'm the data guy, so let me show you 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.920 the data. The documentary is called The Social Dilemma. Watch 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.360 it yourself, then watch it with your kids. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:55.360 Girls. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.000 It's up one hundred and eighty nine percent for the 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:04.840 preteen girls. That's nearly triple. Even more horrifying, we see 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.520 the same pattern with suicide. The older teen girls fifteen 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.680 to nineteen years old, they're up seventy percent compared to 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.560 the first decade of the century. The preteen girls, who 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.679 have very low rates to begin with, they are up 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:23.639 one hundred and fifty one percent. And that pattern points 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:24.560 to social media. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.040 Pretty obvious right now. Again, prohibition doesn't work for anyone, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:32.520 but we have to be smart about. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:33.080 What this stuff is. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.840 For those of us who were around in a world 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.679 before this stuff, we all see this, of course, as 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.120 an add on to our lives. To the kids who 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.920 have grown up with it, it is part of their 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.199 lives in the same way for my generation television was 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.359 certainly for my parents and their parents the introduction of television. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.400 They have a different attitude to it than I have had. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.080 But this is the same dilemma now playing out through 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.480 the phones and why they are addicted to their phones 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.960 again when used well, these are incredible pieces of technology, 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.480 but it's not all doom and gloom, because there are 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.199 some other options here. That means, if you think that 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.280 your kid at some point needs a phone to be 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.800 able to text their friends or to be able to 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.600 take or make calls to their parents because they might 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.399 be missing the bars of them, might be going to 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.520 dance or footy, or all the different reasons why a 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:30.200 teenager may need a phone. There are other options. Think 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.040 about getting a smart watch before you get a smart phone. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:35.760 Now you can pick. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.119 Whichever brand of these are, but you can make and 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.959 take a call, you can send and receive a text, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.880 but you can't scroll through Instagram or Twitter or TikTok 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:50.840 on these things. Then perhaps the better option, though, is 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.000 a thing called a dumb phone. Now, a dumb phone 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.119 is an old school phone. Now, ideally they don't have 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.680 a camera, because there's issues in and around care and cameras. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.760 But still these generally have very little if no access 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.800 to the internet whatsoever. They can still text their friends, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.440 they can still text you, and they can still call you, 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.840 and just to drive home. My final point here that 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.480 in the same way that exposure to all sorts of 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.919 adult things that you wouldn't give a learner driver like 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.879 a brand new Mustang or Camaro to drive around in, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.480 you give them smaller cars with smaller capacities. The same 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.280 exists for technology, and largely speaking, kids don't have the 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.040 money to go off and buy this stuff. We buy 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.679 it ford them. And I know that there are some 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.520 issues at schools about kids with smartphones who bully kids 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.359 with dumb phones, but we can deal with that on 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.520 another level because we see the consequences when it comes 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.560 to the exposure of social media and the obsessive use 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.760 of it with a smartphone. Today, there was a bloke 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.280 who was a law student and he wrote a piece. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.640 He's apparently nineteen years old, and he talked about how 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.960 he gave up his smartphone for all week. This is 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.560 an example, clearly, and I'm not saying this in any 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.399 derogatory way about mister cash, but clearly this is the 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.960 way someone would talk about their relationship with alcohol or tobacco. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.280 My first day of waking up in a smartphone, as 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.080 waking up smartphone free, was rocky. I couldn't shake the 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:24.040 persistent and desperate urge to reach for my usual phone, 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:25.719 which was locked away in the kitchen. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.040 A sense of disconnection set in. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.879 Remember that whole first thing that I showed you about 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.800 that human condition they play to. That's the dopamine, right. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.840 A sense of disconnection set in, accompanied by confusion about 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:43.960 what to do with myself, he continues. Come mid morning, 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.560 I felt rudderless and dull. As my eggs cooked and 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.760 the shower heated up, my tram made its way along 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:56.080 its route, I was completely nutterly bored. Now again, for 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.359 some of you who don't own a smartphone, or have 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.320 never owned a smartphone, or know how to turn them 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.080 off or put them away, you go, well, there was 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.480 a world before this, But for this kid, for my kid, 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.760 for your grandkids, there wasn't a world before this stuff. 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.360 What's more, I had a vague fear that war might 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.239 have broken out, and that seven from Instagram's newsfeed. I 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.600 was the only person in the world who didn't yet 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:23.719 know about it, he says. He lasted three days. But 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.399 that's how powerful this stuff is. Just like alcohol, just 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:33.040 like tobacco, just like drugs, your exposure to it can 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.000 eventually lead to some form of addiction. And when the 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:41.639 addiction kicks in is when the trouble starts. Your mobile 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.480 phone is an incredible piece of technology, but it is 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.560 a casino. It is there deliberately with no sense of 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:54.040 time and space, with the natural light shut out, and 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:58.720 you constantly searching for your next win. The win here 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:04.159 comes in many different forms. But again, forgive me for 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:06.360 taking some moments, but I wanted to try to explain 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.200 my worldview to you and give you some tools if 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.840 you're a parent or a grandparent dealing with this dumb phone. First, 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:21.280 if you're a parent with teenagers that's already in this area, 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:26.120 sit down with them and watch The Social Dilemma, one 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.280 of many excellent documentaries on this subject. There's no other 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.439 way to get it than other than through Netflix, but 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.480 the Social Dilemma. This stuff matters because it's the future 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:39.280 of our country. Some good news for you from Queensland tonight, 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.679 Old Giggles Miles, Well, the voters look like they are 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.919 ready to wipe that smile off his ridiculous style. Today Poland, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.639 which came out via the Resolve organization published in the 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:52.200 Brisbane Times, have a look at this. The primary vote 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.639 for the Labor Party has gone from forty percent of 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:59.439 the last election to twenty three percent going into the 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.720 next week. The LNP has gone from about thirty seven 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:07.520 up to forty four, The Greens, One Nation and all 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.000 other parties basically where they've been for the past couple 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.240 of years. But this means if this poll was true 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.199 there's not just a change of government. A lot of 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.520 people are going to lose their seats on the labor side. 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:16.800 Good. 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.000 Great, even better, Let's have a look at the preferred 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:24.800 premier numbers. David Cruci Fooley has taken it up to 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:29.120 forty percent. Miles has driven it down to twenty seven percent, 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.000 in part because of behavior like this. He was in 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.800 Parliament today in one of the final question times before 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.400 Parliament finishes up and they make the run towards the 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.359 election at the end of October. Questions were being asked 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.439 about what we told you about last week, which was 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.879 taxpayer money that was used for an eleven minute flight 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.199 on a private jet so the Premier could hand out 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.639 a birthday cake to a colleague and pretend that he 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.400 was really there to make an announcement about a school fence. 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.240 The premier said it was cheaper to fly a private 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.199 jet than hire a car. If as the premier says 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.320 it's cheaper to fly cheaper to fly a luxury private 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.880 jet than hire a car, can the premier explain why 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:17.120 more Queenslanders are not hiring luxury private jets to eat 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:18.320 cake with a friend? 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.280 Unsurprisingly, Miles, well, he had a giggling way through, didn't he. 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:31.919 I visited four different locations over two days and return 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.000 to Brisbane in time to attend an event alongside the 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.040 leader of the opposition, So it might make fun politics 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.640 for the member for Nango to pull out one leg 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:48.360 of that trip. I will continue to visit regional Queensland 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:52.840 whenever I get the opportunity, because Queensland is a big state. 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.600 What do you say about a smartass who isn't very smart? Well, 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:02.199 that's right, but I'm trying not to swear. Tomorrow eleven 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.440 am Easton is when Donald Trump Kamala Harris they will 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.680 have their debate. You can see it here on Sky News. 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.479 I'll be here with Laura Jays before it and during it, 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.480 I will be doing sort of a political googgle box 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.000 watch along where we'll watch it as if it was 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:16.959 a Grand Final with then none of them. The beautiful 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.040 read of Panehy highlights on our show tomorrow night, but 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.000 straight up at sky news dot com do you in 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.199 the afternoon now. The organization who is hosting it is 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.399 ABC in the United States, one of their free to 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.800 wear networks. It is a lefty network, but unlike our 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.280 lefty ABC, they have ads. It's a commercial network, they're 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.159 hosting it, and this is what it will look like. 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.600 The stakes could not be higher, with a new poll 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.439 just out tonight showing this race is tied at forty 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.280 nine forty nine. The candidates will meet face to face 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.880 for the first time on this stage with no audience 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.680 in the room, a very intimate setting. They've never met before. 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.200 It will be Trump's seventh presidential debate. It will be 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.000 the first presidential debate for Harris. 0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.680 Now you should know by the way that the network 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.640 of AB is very, very friendly to the Democrats. In fact, 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.200 the Media Research Concel in the United States was able 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.440 to look at the ABC News coverage of that bloke 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.639 as one of the hosts and his team one hundred 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.359 percent positive of Kamala Harris, ninety three percent negative of 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:21.520 Donald Trump. Unbelievable, right, So, surprise, surprise, this is going 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.960 to be a home game for the Democrats. But as 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.000 for the preparation, Sean Spicer, you often see with my 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.760 dear friend Andrew Bolt. He's got his own show on YouTube, 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.640 and he says he's been in touch with Team Trump. 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.320 As late as a couple of hours ago. 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:38.359 Trump is ready, one person told me. He probably knows 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.560 her record as AG and DA better than she does, 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.760 and I don't doubt it. He's got Matt Gates up there, 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:50.440 He's got Tulci Gabbard up there. I really I feel good, 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:52.960 and normally I'm nervous. 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.560 And going to the theme that either Kamala Harris is 0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:01.440 an absolute perfectionist or is fright and when she has 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.560 no safety net. This is how she has been preparing, 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:09.919 including a staffer who is dressing and talking like Trump, 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.600 but even weirder than that rollo type. 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.639 She has spent the last several days at a downtown 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:21.160 Pittsburgh hotel with aids, trying to replicate what the studio 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.320 itself will look like tomorrow night. In Philadelphia. We're told 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.080 there's a stage, there's cameras, there's lights, there's lecterns, and 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.080 there's an ability to go back and watch the tape, 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.760 review the tape with her team to get a sense 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.880 of not only what she's saying, but how she's sang 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:35.560 it on camera. 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.160 Now, when you spend that many days and you're going 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:40.760 back and you're looking at it like you're trying to 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.080 perfect your golf swing, too much is going to end 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.080 up getting jammed in there. But we'll all see what 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.600 happens together tomorrow eleven am. 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:54.000 She's so confident that she needs. 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:58.880 To practice the lights, all right, One last look before 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.200 we get into the debate, which inevitably will push the 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.040 numbers one direction or the other. According to the betting 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.920 markets tonight, Trump fifty two percent chance of winning the presidency. 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.120 Why because he is considered the favorite buy book is 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.440 in the Swing States and most importantly Pennsylvania. In the 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:20.560 prediction markets, which use a lot of data and other 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:24.400 factors apart from polls, Trump sixty four percent chance of 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.480 winning the presidency. But in the raw polls and nothing else, 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:32.160 the current averages in the Swing states, Trump up in Arizona, 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.440 Harris by a bees in Nevada, Harris by a bit 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.720 in Wisconsin, Harris by a bit in Michigan, dead level 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:45.680 in Pennsylvania, Trump by a bit in North Carolina, Trump by. 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.520 A bit in Georgia. If all of that. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:53.320 Happens, and say Harris won Pennsylvania, Sho'd win the presidency. 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.520 If Trump won Pennsylvania, he would win the presidency. So 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.680 it is as lineball as it goes. Eleven o'clock tomorrow, 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.280 Live here on Sky News till then a much more 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.080 interesting debate is going to be happening here and nobody. 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.080 Was prepping for the lights. We'll get to that in 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:08.840 the moment or TUESDA time. 0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:10.920 Nigel Farage as well, before we're done, thanks for watching 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:17.920 Tuesday night here on pull my ry life. Thank you 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.240 so much for watching in Cambell right now, Senator Holly 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.160 Hughes and future Senator if he just. 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.200 Keeps them on the right thing, just got to stick 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:24.880 to the talking point. 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.080 Don't you just jo this debate by playing Candy crush? 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:29.360 So pretty well? 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:30.480 That's how you prepare for everything. 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.440 I don't think there's a moment of lighting oh side. 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.800 The lighting threw me. I thought I knew my own 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.600 track record, but the lighting just threw me. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.000 It's like, look, obviously with the buttons, I believe in 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.920 a couple of seconds. But it's like, you can over 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:42.920 prepare for something. 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.000 Now. I know that there's sort of you know, the super. 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.480 Nerd that's able to prepare, but we all know that 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.840 when you're trying to shove too much in it's a desire. 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.680 I generally, I genuinely reckon it is the worst possible 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.560 preparation it's like having written notes ready before you're about 0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.960 to go on radio or whatever, because if something does 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.600 and go your way, then suddenly the script goes out 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.960 the window and you're left with a blank sheet again. 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.320 So just you keep it all up here. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.479 But also that idea, that idea holly too, where it's like, okay, 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:11.920 did that look okay when I said it? 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.160 We'll go back, have a look, change this word. Change. 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.480 Then if you're thinking about where your hands and shoulders 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.360 are not what you're saying, well, then guess what's going 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:19.840 to happen? 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:22.680 Did I look natural enough? 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.080 I know I have? 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.440 All right, let's talk here about let's let's talk about 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.840 apparently today Pete Dutton in the party room and I 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.520 know you can't possibly talk about matters to do with 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.560 the party room, but leaks out of the party room 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:35.600 or briefings out of. 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:36.160 The party room. 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.080 I think the leaks kind of went when Malcolm and 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.240 Julie and. 0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:42.960 When they all disappeared. 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:47.360 But still supposedly Peter Dutton's position now is rather than 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.640 finding ways to work with the government or help the 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.880 government get what it wants to be done, that now 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.920 the position is going to be no free passes so 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.320 we're seeing that with things like say the Reserve Bank stuff, 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.560 and we're seeing that with stuff like the aged care stuff. Now, 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.000 obviously the government will turn this into sort of the 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:07.240 doctor know stuff. But Holly, reality is it is fifty 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.480 to fifty in the polls. Why would you give the 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.000 other side a free kick right now? 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.160 Look, I think that's right, you know, I think there 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.719 is at the moment in the Senate. Again, it's not 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.480 in the House of Representatives, it's in the Senate that 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.160 is where the legislation is going to ultimately be passed 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.920 or not. And whilst I agree that we are not 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:33.280 here to just pass things that the government wants passed 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:39.440 without any overview and some real you know, really looking 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.720 into some of the things that they're proposing, which of 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:44.800 course we know that the government is completely limiting any 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:49.960 sort of review by committees into their legislation. The danger is, 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.240 and I think this is particularly important when it comes 0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.680 to the RBA, is do we as a country really 0:32:55.800 --> 0:33:00.160 want the Greens in any way dictating this policy. And 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.400 at the end of the day, if we can't find 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.680 a compromise with the government, it's going to end up 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.760 with the Joe might tell us. They're not going to 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.560 form a coalition with the Greens, but they're already looking 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.320 to do it. I think there's a real risk and 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.240 that's where I think there does need to be strong 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.880 leadership from the Economic team in their ability to negotiate, 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.800 because if Jim Chalmers starts going to negotiate with Adam Band, 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.480 it's going to be every Australian that pays for a 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:32.080 very long time to come. If something as fundamental as 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.560 the RBA is allowed to be turned into a political 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.080 hatchet job run by the Labor. 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.880 Party, well litt alone the fact of does anyone then 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.440 want either Lydia Thorpe or Lamby or Pocock to be 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.600 the one who's making the final touches and changes here 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.200 on something of such consequence. Andrew Clonel was the one 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.480 who had this story today, so let's look at his reporting. 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.120 This week is the story of a frustrated agenda for 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.280 the government and we've seen that with Age Care, seeing 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.080 that with the RBA and Peter Duttony is seeking to 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.640 pile the pressure on the government. Last time we sat 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.279 we saw things like the CFMAU and NDI s get through. 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.600 Not so this week they're getting no free passes. 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:14.640 What's your sense of this? 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.520 Yeah, I think Holly is absolutely right. 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.600 I think it might be good sort of tactics and 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.960 good politics to frustrate the government and force her to 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.120 do deals with the Greens. But it is poor strategy 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.960 and poor policy. You know, the only reason Adam Bant 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.600 is in the Parliament is because Liberal Party preferences put 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.000 in there the pence. They preferenced him, and the Liberals, 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.320 to their credit, I think of all learned from that mistake, 0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.400 and Labor was stupid enough to do a deal with 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.040 the Greens in twenty ten as well, so they have 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.759 learned from that as well. I mean the idea, you know, 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.440 Nick McKim and the Greens's idea that the government should 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.959 be able to effectively dictate interest rates, that politicians should 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.440 be able to say what it is terrifying. I mean, 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.600 this is the sort of command economy run in Stalinist 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.160 Russia and communist China. I mean, I don't think, I 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.600 don't think Charmers or the Labor Party would ever in 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.000 a blue moon even consider all countenance that. But the 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.000 fact that it's on the table though, just gives you 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:13.440 an idea of just how economically illiterate and extreme and 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.520 ideologically extreme the Greens are. I mean, these are people 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:21.200 who have no concept of economics and just a purely extreme, 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.320 doctrinaire ideological dogma. 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:26.560 That they slavishly adhere to. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.120 And it is terrifying to think, for the sake of 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.319 this country that you would ever do an economic deal 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:31.680 with them. 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:36.440 Well, exactly, And again there's moments when bad ideas like 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.399 whatever he's being discussed in and around age care. I'm 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.680 I'm not firing shots across the bow here, I'm just 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.960 saying I don't want the uncapped system that's being discussed 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.200 about potentially at home. So that's fine for that to 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.720 take a little time. Also, if the bill doesn't pass 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.880 this week, it doesn't matter, I mean the sort of 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.000 the artificial this must be done by Thursday, and if 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:01.239 nothing happens both, Parliament's not rise for the election for 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:02.200 multiple months. 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:03.520 So if we're talking about this. 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.120 Well, the Senate's here next week. 0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:09.640 Yeah, well saying look, how happy holy is it? 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.560 The trail right from Camber. 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.560 But it is a Senate only sitting week next week. 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.520 And this is where the government has completely lost control 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.880 of the agenda. Because if they did want those reforms through. 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.120 That should have been through the House whatever they had, 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.799 you know, four months ago, so it could have come 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.240 to the Senate, gone through a committee process, and gone 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.440 through a proper scrutiny of the legislation, so any amendments 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.960 could be made and it could be moving forward. Instead, 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:41.040 this government doesn't consult widely. When it does consult, it 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.840 does so under NDA's It then brings it to the House, 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.840 rushes it to the Senate, then Guilletine's debate trying to 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:52.640 stop it going to committee. So they are actually creating 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:57.200 their own problems through their vast incompetence at managing the 0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:58.160 legislative agenda. 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.600 Yeah, it'll be fascinating to see where it goes at 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.879 the next of a while. Certainly the government thinks that 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:07.200 when they passed these things, the great sub suburban conversation 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:08.279 will be to talk about it. 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:09.839 No, I mean, I don't think. 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.200 I mean everyone's going to blame the government for everything. No, 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:13.200 one's not going to blame. 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.160 A single barbecue in Australia that's going to be stopped 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:17.839 by should they reform the result. 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.640 Having but having said that, like this is this has 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.840 already been done. I mean it doesn't really need another 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.840 review committee. I mean, there has been an independent review 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:26.759 of the RBI. It is handed down its findings. That 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.680 is all the government is seeking to implement. It has 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.200 nothing to do with the government taking control over its 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:31.960 power of being. 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.000 Able to overrule its power. 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.439 Just if you have a whole new board and you're 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.200 the one that gets to pick the whole new board 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:38.480 from scratch. 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:42.320 But the majority of the also have their opportunity to 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:44.560 pick that whole new board whenever they was. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.960 Attempting to change the Preserve Bank. Peter Dunton's lack of 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.120 the effect for our institutions. Can you imagine the. 0:37:51.120 --> 0:38:00.400 Remak putting liberals on there people? We've run businesses and. 0:37:58.400 --> 0:37:59.960 Arth and Shea and Donald. 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.560 Until Google too. I know, you know it. No one 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:05.120 knows that. 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:09.040 I'm saying this is obviously sooner or later. Sooner or 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.000 later governments. 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:10.480 You know. 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:12.560 The whole idea of arm's length is the government has 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.200 no say over who of what these agencies do, but 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.640 it does appoint people to them when the terms. 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.360 File chance to do it from scratch. It's not changing one. 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.080 Or two lives. Opportunity for economic reform. 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.279 That's why they're written it's not economic reform police, it's 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.040 just about in my view, toadies to give the government 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:31.560 what it wants. 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.240 Anyway, let's talking about publico. 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.840 To your point, age care is something that they're not 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:36.640 talking about. 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:38.400 Age care age. 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.000 Here is something families are concerned about and we don't 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.200 have any legislation, there's nothing. It hasn't gone to a committee. 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.960 And what is the process the government's going to achieve, 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.560 you know? Are they going to push it through the House, 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.920 which they've got the numbers to do, and then it 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.840 comes to the Senate and they either do a dirty 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.640 deal with the Greens and the cross Bench or they 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:58.479 let it go to a committee but have a very 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.759 short reporting time Labor senators who have the numbers on 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:05.000 the committee surprisingly and never available for hearings. You get 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.080 one or two three hearings maybe, which is what happened 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.960 with the NDIS. And then it comes back to the Senate. 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.080 Labour does another deal with the Greens and the independence 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.000 skill of teams of the debate and pushes it through. 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.480 This is where they really have lost control of the 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.920 agenda and Australians are going to pay and pay for decades. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.120 Except that the Coalition doesn't want to be too smart 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.960 by half with this, because just think of the financial 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.560 win for the budget would get if the cap was 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.399 abolished altogether, if there was no limit. Obviously Labour knows 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.000 that there is no way they can do that and 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:35.960 do not want to do it for obvious political reasons. 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:37.600 But if they say, well, we had no choice, we 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.640 had to do it because otherwise we would have got 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.000 nothing for age care because the coalition wouldn't come to 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.120 the table. They get the financial wine. 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:45.440 Yeah, but here's the thing. 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:49.719 Right, In the same way that Anika Wells had to 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.719 come out and say the family home is not part 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.080 of this to allay people's concerns, they have to turn 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.120 around and say, look, there will be a cap. Don't 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.520 worry everyone, there will be a cap at home. We're 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.960 just working out where it's going to be. But until 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.440 they if they I don't understand it's not on market 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.719 sensitive with this stuff, I think they should be trying 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:11.439 to reassure rather than renegotiate in that particular moment. Now, 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.440 I often talk about the Australian economy through this metaphor, 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.160 which is you know when your car's out of tune 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:17.960 and you're sitting at the lights and it just just 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.560 slightly moving forward. You're not actually doing anything, but it's 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:22.439 just because it's out of tune. 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:23.400 It's moving forward. 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.600 Well, one of the ways they're able to keep it 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.520 slightly in that position is by hiring an awful lot 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.400 of public servants. Now we know that one of the 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:33.879 knocks on previous governments has been too much money spent 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.880 on outside consultants. But if you then turn around and 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.280 obviously outside consultants you're only hiring for a specific period 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.800 of time, versus adding people permanently to a public service 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.880 who are impossible to sack, who are there forever, that 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.440 would be the argument against the expansion of the public service, 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:55.120 which has been pretty amazing. Football stadiums of people have 0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:55.640 been at an. 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.120 Understand, say public servants and people think, oh bloody Cardigan 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.960 wearing bureaucrats in Canberra. There these are nurses, These are 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.200 age care workers. These are all sectors where teachers not 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:09.120 an extra person are all. These are all these are 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:13.040 all one profession which there is not enough purple. I'm 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.120 sure there will be in that number somewhere, but the 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:19.840 vast majority what is driving this is massive recruitment drive 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.120 in age care, which is long overdue and necessarily in 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:23.880 the Royal Commission founders needed. 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.359 Same with nurses, same with teachers. There's a massive. 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.680 Teacher So we want to talk about a command and 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:34.440 control economy. Command and control economy. They are literally the 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.000 only way we're not in a recession. You know, we're 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.799 in a per capita reception recession. The only reason they've 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.160 managed to get minuscule growth in the economy is because 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:49.120 the government is paying wages, not like the private sector. 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.640 You've got the government is saving us from recession teachers 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:53.160 and nurses. 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.920 Isn't that you tell the private sector. You tell the 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.399 private sector they're not in recession. You go and tell 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.160 a family who can't afford the mortgage your groceries, they're 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:02.000 not in a recession. 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.400 We know it's suffering, but the point is would you 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.880 rather be in a worse recession and not enough nurses 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:08.640 and not enough teachers, because that's the alternative. 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:10.359 Okay, Gang, I'll get you to stick around because we're 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.200 waiting to get the tin Cans together to talk to 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:14.959 Niger farras in the UK. 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.560 We'll do that and more of you people in a 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:22.360 moment's time. Here on pull Marila. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:26.200 All right, we'll see Holly and Joe next week because 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.120 it's all about Niger Ferras. She was in and out 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.520 of the Parliament of the UK and he's made time 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.240 for us in Westminster right now, Thank you, great man. 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:33.840 Nigel. 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:35.920 Lots to talk to But let's talk about this massive 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:40.879 debate tomorrow. What do you if you had any conversations 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:41.440 with Donald? 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.839 Have you given any free advice via text? 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.120 Well, I'm always giving advice. 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.240 Sometimes it gets listens to you. Sometimes it doesn't. 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:50.839 Look the thing is. 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.319 The thing is Paris is untested. It sounds bizarre to 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.680 say it. She's been a vice president for four years, 0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:00.160 yet the American public barely know her. She's been pople 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.200 in the last few weeks to get away with the 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:06.000 scripted speech, the big stage, a couple of alist celebrities. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:07.000 This is different. 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:12.120 This is can she answer questions? Can she display knowledge 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:16.640 when there's not an auto que to hand? And so yes, 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.920 of course they'll have a go at each other. She'll 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.600 say he's a convicted felon, and he's going to say 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.440 she's a right lefty and the real come out that 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.560 will come out if she becomes president. But the really 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.359 important thing with this debate is they've got to get 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:34.400 into detail. They've got to get into economic detail, acts detail. 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.360 They've got to get into detail about American energy production. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.520 They've got to get into detail about the cost of 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.520 filling up your car. And above all, they've got to 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.680 get into detail about the numbers that have crossed the 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.520 border since Biden came to power, since she was put 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.920 in charge. And if Trump can get her onto those subjects, 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:59.120 if the invigilators do their job properly, then I think 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:03.120 this will be the decisive moment of the whole campaign 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.120 and Trump will win. But I'll give you you know 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:07.480 there is a caveat there. 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:11.160 We want to two f's look one hundred percent and also, 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.319 as we mentioned before, there was a survey done of 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:20.719 the newscast of ABC in America. One hundred percent negative coverage, sorry, 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.120 one hundred percent positive coverage of Harris, ninety three percent 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.279 negative coverage of Trump. We know he's playing an away game, 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:28.959 but he always is in these scenarios. We keep hearing 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.560 about she's going to play four D chess, trying to 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:32.480 goad him, and all the. 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:32.879 Rest of it. 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:37.399 As you say, every poll, even one that shows Harris up, 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.000 shows that they're with Trump on the issues. It's the 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.600 personality stuff. Some of that you can change, some of 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.600 that you can't. But the reality is that, as you say, 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.680 if we're talking about what's on offer, people want change. 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.520 This has been Harris is the co pilot of the 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.480 plane that is way off course and headed into the mountain. 0:44:57.840 --> 0:44:58.080 Right. 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.439 Trump doesn't have to not her out. He just has 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.799 to say, I'm the guy who's going to change, and 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.000 she's the one who's just saying she's going to change 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:07.800 to win an election. 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.759 Yes, I mean, she sort of almost tries to dissociate 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.680 herself with the Biden regime when she was, for goot 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:16.920 to say, the vice president. And the other thing I 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.359 think's very important is what Trump can say is, look 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.640 at my record. I made promises to people in twenty sixteen, 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:26.160 and you know what I kept those promises. Compare and 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:29.920 contrast that with what Biden said back in twenty twenty 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:31.240 and what they've done. 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:33.879 I just hope this. 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.959 Doesn't get dominated by a cat fight, a personal fight 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.840 between the two. It might have worked against Hillary Clinton, 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.680 it won't work against. 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.320 Harris one hundred percent. 0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:48.480 And again I think that you know, if she's just 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:51.520 in front in the polling. Then really it's Trump who's 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.680 very level or in front because of the historic failures 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.520 of the polls. But I wanted to get in the 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.959 head of a bloke who has literally this year done 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.319 how many of these different debates right where you've got 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.359 all these different things playing in your head. I want 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.839 to show you from CDs in the United States. This 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:09.440 is the detail of how Harris has been preparing. Now, 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:12.000 this stuff might be great on paper, but I think 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.160 it's shoving too much into any human being's head. 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:14.800 But have a look. 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:18.920 She has spent the last several days at a downtown 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:23.440 Pittsburgh hotel with aids, trying to replicate what the studio 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.600 itself will look like tomorrow night in Philadelphia. We're told 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.360 there's a stage, there's cameras, there's lights, there's lecterns, and 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.400 there's an ability to go back and watch the tape, 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.040 review the tape with her team to get a sense 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.120 of not only what she's saying, but how she's sang 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:37.840 it on camera. 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.080 Nigel, that's ridiculous to go back and watch yourself on 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.120 tape for whether your shoulders were in the right place, 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.680 let alone where the words were. No one can remember 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.200 what that process is like. You've got to respond in 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:50.799 the moment, do. 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:54.160 You You can fill your hate with too much. You know, 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:57.400 either you know this stuff or you don't. My first 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.920 really big national debate was against the Deputy Prime Nick Clegg. 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.560 Just they were ten years ago, live, massive audience, and 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.000 I prepared really carefully. I went to the Westminster Arms, 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:13.279 had a pint and then went on. I mean I did, 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.200 and then went on with the divt because I took 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:18.280 the view. I took the view that if I didn't 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.560 know by then what I was going to say, then 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:26.400 frankly it was too late. And if she's overtrained, she 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.040 will far off like a machine gun, you know, with 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:34.200 fact she's remembered and everything else. Preparation, yes, quiet time 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.560 and thought, yes, overtraining, I don't. 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:37.840 Believe in it. 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.120 What's it like to stand at one of those liktines 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.320 when you've got that national audience, which you know is 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:44.280 more than anything. 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.160 Sure more people watched you in the jungle, but you 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.239 get my point. I mean, what is that like? 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.879 Because it's one thing to be in control of your 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.840 TV show or a speech that you're giving, but what 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.360 is it like explain to people what that moment is like. 0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.920 It was the biggest moment of my life. You know, 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.720 we were heading towards a national European election. My party 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.719 had hit the lead in the polls, but I was 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.640 a complete outsider. He was, I mean Nick Plegg was 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.640 the deputy Prime Minister and the man that now runs 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.680 Meta of course for Mark Zuckerberg. And you know when 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:16.960 I arrived and I saw the sheer size of the 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:21.359 crowds outside and the cameras and the flashes, and I 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.600 was a little bit overawed. And I'd spent a couple 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.880 of days with a guy Patrick, and we were working 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:32.200 through subjects, questions, thinking it all out. And as I 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.920 left him to go towards the stage, he said to me, 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.880 you know, on your own now. But I thought, gosh, 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:42.560 I really am. Yeah, in a moment like that, you 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.920 will be nervous, and it's a question of how you 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:49.319 deal with those nerves. And Trump won't be nervous. He'll 0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.440 want to do well, but he's done it before. She 0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:57.040 would be far more nervous than Trump. So we'll look 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:58.439 out for that cackling laugh. 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.120 Looking forward to all of it and your analysis farage 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.920 on gb News and of course with us each and 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:05.279 every week. 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.759 Thank you mate. All back to the real job as 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:08.240 of course. 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:09.759 A member of Parliament, which we're great to see in 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:11.640 there as the leader of reformal. 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:12.080 See tomorrow night. 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.880 Of course, after the debate we'll watch it all together 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:16.359 eleven o'clock tomorrow with LJ.