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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel

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Speaker 1: people of the Uran nation.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: It is the greatest election result in all of human history.

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely amazing. I've got no time for introductions.

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Speaker 3: Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 2: So what happened? What happened?

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously this election result came as a massive

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Speaker 3: shot to a lot of people, not a shock if

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Speaker 3: you were listening to the real story with Joe Hildeban,

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Speaker 3: because we predicted it, and we said all along that

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Speaker 3: there would be a majority, and we went through all

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Speaker 3: the seats and said where it would come from. But

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Speaker 3: even with that, even with my confidence, even with Elbow's confidence,

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Speaker 3: even with Timmy G's confidence, even we were flabergasted. This

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Speaker 3: exceeded even the Prime Minister's own expectations. It exceeded pretty

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Speaker 3: much every Labor supporter's wildest dream. So it looks like

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Speaker 3: at the moment that label will probably end up with

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Speaker 3: maybe something like ninety. There's a couple of seats that

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Speaker 3: could actually fall to independence. I'll get to that very shortly,

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Speaker 3: but it's sitting at about eighty eight. So far, Labor

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Speaker 3: has wiped every Greens electorate off the map. There is

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Speaker 3: still a contest in Ryan, which is between the Liberals

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Speaker 3: and the Greens, but that is too close to call.

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Speaker 3: Labor has won back Brisbane as expected Griffith has hoped,

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Speaker 3: but unsure and you just wouldn't believe this. You would

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Speaker 3: not believe it. Has taken back for the first time

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Speaker 3: Adam Bant's seat of Melbourne, the Greens leader's own seat,

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Speaker 3: which is held for more than a decade since Lindsay

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Speaker 3: Tanner retired following the massive rud spill when Julia Gillard

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Speaker 3: took on Kevin Rudd. Adam Band has been sitting in

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Speaker 3: that seat ever since then. In twenty ten and Labor

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Speaker 3: looks to have won it back fifty two and a

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Speaker 3: just an absolutely phenomenal result for the Labor Party and

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Speaker 3: just to kind of sweeten the deal maybe for people

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Speaker 3: of success has come by knocking off Teals. It is

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Speaker 3: a crazy world when you have a Liberal party led

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Speaker 3: by Peter Dutton, who lost his own seat, by the way,

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Speaker 3: so it's led by him no more. He's not even

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutt, massive so called women problem similar to the

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Speaker 3: one they had under Scott Morrison. Research that I've been

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Speaker 3: made aware of private you know, labor research and other

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Speaker 3: focus groups and polling that's been done showed that, get this,

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Speaker 3: two thirds of women over the age of thirty five

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Speaker 3: That is millions of people two thirds, two out of

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Speaker 3: three women over the age of thirty five. Just thinking

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Speaker 3: how many people in that category, you know, refusing to

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Speaker 3: vote for Peter Dutton because they think he's too much

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Speaker 3: like Donald Trump and the agro kind of puts them off.

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Speaker 3: And yet in teal seats, which are specifically targeted by

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Speaker 3: the driven snow. So much for diversity to run in

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Speaker 3: Morrison's perceived women problem in twenty twenty two, and it

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Speaker 3: was enormously successful. So it's just you know, central casting,

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Speaker 3: and under Peter Dunt, who should be the very anathema

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Speaker 3: of other reasons which we'll get right into. Because it

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Speaker 3: was the worst run campaign in all of human history,

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Speaker 3: He's a former MP, former Human Rights commissioner from the right,

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Speaker 3: cou Yong, Monique Ryan is in real trouble. She is

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Speaker 3: they could pick up that one too. And again Zoe

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Speaker 3: Daniel declared victory on all extra nights and I'll go

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Speaker 3: member of Parliament. Monique Ryan also declared victory on Electra

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Speaker 2: So that's one to watch.

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Speaker 3: The other little nail bider is the seat of Bullwinkle

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Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen to result this close. Last

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Speaker 3: so the Libs were just twenty nine votes behind Labor,

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Speaker 2: In that neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: However, as predicted on the real story, I think I

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Speaker 3: one that Elbow knew they were going to get, and

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Speaker 3: very few people other than you knew or thought they

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Speaker 2: Well done.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations on being the most well informed audience in Australian

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Speaker 3: political history and witnessing a result which was not just

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Speaker 3: that Anthony Albaneze will probably be Prime Minister, not just

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Speaker 3: But that was after Campbell Newman went on incredibly extreme

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Speaker 3: So where does this leave the political landscape. Well, one

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Speaker 3: People say, oh, you know, the Teals are just a

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Speaker 2: These are like cuckoos in the nest.

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Speaker 3: They infiltrate and then they want to kind of cannibalize

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Speaker 3: Integrity like robocalls, which Zoey Daniel and we're done by

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Speaker 3: these people talk about, you know, you sit outside of

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Speaker 3: As soon as you're in it, you get just as

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Speaker 3: dirty as everyone else rolling around in the mud. So

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Speaker 3: the deals are a threat to the Labor Party. That

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Speaker 3: That may be one of the reasons they fall just

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Speaker 2: And this is the beauty of it.

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Speaker 3: By not catering to what I call the upper middle

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Speaker 3: this is an election that Anthony Albanezi was always going

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible lack.

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Speaker 2: Or integrity, integrity. They don't care about any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Charlotte, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm great, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's an absolute pleasure, and I'm going to I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, And thanks for pressing that, Joe. I

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Speaker 4: To do it at times that aren't super destructive for

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Speaker 3: Well, there is no more opportune moment than now because

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Speaker 4: It would be would be more on it if they

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Speaker 1: You know this is potentially too radical for them.

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Speaker 1: For our party and he would speak so well.

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Speaker 4: refused to accept that it, you know, was happening, and

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Speaker 4: then it kind of moved to we accept that it's happening,

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Speaker 4: but it's not man made. All of this resistance to

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Speaker 4: watch climate change is one hundred percent, I think really

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Speaker 4: to blame with the initial drift away from us, and

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Speaker 4: now I think we're at the point what we should

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Speaker 4: have been at fifteen years ago of saying, Okay, we

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Speaker 4: accept that it's real, we accept that it's man made.

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Speaker 4: But now it's the how of how we do it,

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Speaker 4: and that is what the Conservative Party in the UK.

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Speaker 4: They never made climate a left verse right thing, just

447
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Speaker 4: said we're going to be the best people to fix it,

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Speaker 4: and that is what we should have done from day

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Speaker 4: dot So climate is going to be a really important

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Speaker 4: part of the Coalition's rebranding, and it should always have

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Speaker 4: been us making the argument of why we're the best

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Speaker 4: economic delivery of that, and also just you know, in

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Speaker 4: terms of transition for jobs and whatnot, other things that

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think credit to us. I

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Speaker 4: think the social media stuff. I've spoken to you about

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Speaker 4: this before, particularly my very passionate hatred of algorithms, but

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Speaker 4: social media bands for kids under sixteens that was a

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Speaker 4: coalition policy initially was adopted by Labor. I think that

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Speaker 4: was a good one. If it was me, I would

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Speaker 4: actually go a step further and force you know, those

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Speaker 4: big social media giants to be transparent about algorithms. I

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Speaker 4: think there is barely a person at the moment in

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Speaker 4: existence who doesn't think that that is a big deal.

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Speaker 4: And then we've we've got to get back to talking

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Speaker 4: about our economic policy and making.

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Speaker 1: Sure that we are actually.

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Speaker 4: You know, that whole thing of like the Coalition is

468
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Speaker 4: always the better economic operators, where we have to start

469
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Speaker 4: coming up with some better economic ideas. I thought we

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Speaker 4: were really light on that, not only in this election campaign,

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Speaker 4: but really throughout the whole term. I didn't think we

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Speaker 4: offered enough that was creative. I think, you know, the TiAl,

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Speaker 4: particularly a Legrispender, has been one of the more vocal

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Speaker 4: people on tax like, that's our space.

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Speaker 1: We should be the ones feeling that.

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Speaker 3: Really, just while we're talking about the Teals, how do

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Speaker 3: you explain the fact that the Coalition has a women problem?

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Speaker 2: That Peter Dutton had a women problem.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned before we spoke to you that about two

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Speaker 3: thirds of women over the age of thirty five was

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Speaker 3: coming up in research would not vote for him because

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Speaker 3: they thought he was too trump esque or too sort

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Speaker 3: of populous. How has that then translated into two of

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Speaker 3: the Teals being in real trouble, with Zoe Daniels having

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Speaker 3: just lost her seat to Tim Wilson and Monique Ryan

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Speaker 3: in trouble as well. That would seem to be I

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Speaker 3: can't quite square that circle, can you?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I can, because the Tills picture allow me. The Tills

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Speaker 4: picked themselves as being sent to right, and that was

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Speaker 4: their whole thing. They said, we're essentially liberals, were just

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: Disinfashed, economically conservative, socially progressive, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: And as time went on, in that term, it became

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Speaker 4: rapidly clear that that wasn't what a lot of them were,

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Speaker 4: that they were far more left leaning than that.

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Speaker 1: People like a Leger Spender.

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Speaker 4: Didn't really you know, see that same issue that they

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Speaker 4: saw formnic Ryan and that they saw for Zoe Daniels.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that is people still want center

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Speaker 4: right women. That is exactly what they are demanding. It's

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Speaker 4: just now with the Tills having some time in, I

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Speaker 4: think that people are starting to see what they actually

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Speaker 4: are standing for. You know, I'm going on about climate

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Speaker 4: a little bit here, but just because I do think

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Speaker 4: that there is an interesting link between climate and women.

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Speaker 4: There was a big study a few years ago that

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Speaker 4: said women between the apes of eighteen and thirty two

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Speaker 4: were eight times more likely to care about climate. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's important because one of the reasons we

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Speaker 4: lost the women's vote, I do actually think is to

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Speaker 4: do with climate as well, just because you know, women

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Speaker 4: seem to prioritize it more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think under the next liberal incarnation that

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Speaker 3: would be super important. But I do find it interesting that,

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Speaker 3: you know, given that Peter Dutton was clearly seen as

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Speaker 3: someone who couldn't be taken seriously on climate change by

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Speaker 3: the entire electorate, and it was a second tier issue anyway.

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Speaker 3: But it's interesting that the vote against the Tials and

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Speaker 3: I'm sensing I figure and I think what you're saying

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Speaker 3: is the Teals in Melbourne in particular made themselves so

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Speaker 3: unpopular and so obviously and transparently, you know, lefties dressed

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Speaker 3: up as rieties that it was wouldn't matter who was

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Speaker 3: in charge of.

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Speaker 2: The Liberal Party. There was clearly an electric there that

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Speaker 2: felt duped.

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Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right that the Victorian Teals do seem

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Speaker 3: to lean much more more to the left and more

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Speaker 3: openly to the left than the Sydney Teals, and that

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Speaker 3: I think has been a real point of difference. Another

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Speaker 3: point I want to raise with you, and it's the

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Speaker 3: point that you made, so you're the right person to

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Speaker 3: raise it with, is that the party seems in the

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Speaker 3: last three years to sort of degenerate it into what

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Speaker 3: you might call, you know, old man shaking fisted clouds,

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Speaker 3: that it's a party of sort of angry, reactionary, muscular

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Speaker 3: kind of politics, if you like, the sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: quasi populist, a bit like Donald Trump, you know, getting

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Speaker 3: dragged into these culture wars. How dare they welcome us

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Speaker 3: to our own country. I'm just going to stand in

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Speaker 3: front of one flag. There's too many migrants coming here.

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Speaker 3: All that stuff that Peter Dutton was being cheered on by,

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Speaker 3: and I liken it to a cliff. He was sort

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Speaker 3: of teetering on the edge of and all his supporters saying,

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Speaker 3: just one more step and you're there, sir, Just one

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Speaker 3: more step and you've got it. That just doesn't seem

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Speaker 3: to play well in Middle Australia, especially with compulsory voting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that was a really interesting thing

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Speaker 1: that happened this election.

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Speaker 4: When Trump got up in November, there was this huge

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Speaker 4: support of like, yes, there's this vibe shift, you know, go.

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Speaker 2: Wo boke his head.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Now, I actually was, you know, I was a pro

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris person, not because I thought she was fantastic,

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Speaker 4: not because I thought the Democrats were fantastic. I actually

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Speaker 4: think they're horror. They need to completely redo themselves as well.

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Speaker 4: But I thought that Trump was going to be a

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Speaker 4: huge risk. But when he got in, there was you know,

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Speaker 4: ten percent of me who was like, we needed that

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Speaker 4: vibe shift. The world needed to calm down a little

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Speaker 4: on the work stuff. We need to stop policing demonizing.

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Speaker 4: At that point, you know, the Canadian Conservatives, our Conservative Party,

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Speaker 4: everyone started booming like it's over.

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Speaker 1: Conservative parties racing for it then, and I think this

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Speaker 1: is the week we lost the election.

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Speaker 4: Trump did the Ukraine press conference and everyone thought, oh no,

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Speaker 4: holy shit, he's batshit crazy. That week everyone was like, okay,

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Speaker 4: better the devil, you know, go safe, a stoption safe,

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Speaker 4: ast option is elbow, even if he's a bit boring,

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Speaker 4: just go center.

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Speaker 1: And that was the same week that the Liberal.

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Speaker 4: Party announced our ridiculous work from home policy, which was

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Speaker 4: just a red ragtual ball for women, which was just ludicrous.

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Speaker 1: But it was also the same week that cyclone was

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Speaker 1: at Alfred. I can't remember its name.

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Speaker 3: Anymore, cyclone that wasn't Alfred because cyclonical.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that delayed the election by a month.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we had enough policy in the tank

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Speaker 4: to survive another month of a quasi campaign, so I

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Speaker 4: think in that week we lost, but to the Trump factor.

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Speaker 4: I always thought that it was kind of unfair that

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Speaker 4: people were trying to say that Dutton was Trump, because

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Speaker 4: I think that he actually sure people can say Australian

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Speaker 4: politics are like American They're nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: They are we are nowhere.

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Speaker 4: Here is polarized. The Liberals are not the Republicans. And

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Speaker 4: we are allowed to speak about immigration. We are a

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Speaker 4: lawed to speak about government efficiency. And that doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: you're a Republican you know, maga person. But there is

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Speaker 4: a cohort of our Liberal Party membership that is diet

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Speaker 4: hard Maga or you know, certainly further right than the

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Speaker 4: vast majority of Australians. And that is a problem for

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Speaker 4: us because we have a membership that we are handstrung

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Speaker 4: to completely, because even our MPs that get up, they've

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Speaker 4: got their own pre selection again in eighteen months time,

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Speaker 4: where only the members' votes, and I don't think that

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Speaker 4: Australians understand the pre selection process, so they don't understand

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Speaker 4: why the Liberal Party is why it is, but it.

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Speaker 1: Is because we are handstrong to our membership.

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Speaker 4: So we have to create policy that plicates our members

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Speaker 4: and unfortunately that policy is often repellent to broader society.

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Speaker 1: And God love Australia.

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Speaker 4: We have the best democracy in the world because we

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Speaker 4: have preferential voting, because we have compulsory voting. We are

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Speaker 4: always going to you know, elections one from the center.

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Speaker 4: So we have to kind of figure this out how

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Speaker 4: we can make sure that our MPs keep getting pre selections.

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Speaker 4: Because if anyone puts their hands up now other than

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Speaker 4: me because I'm not facing a pre selection because I'm

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Speaker 4: not running and says I support quoters, you don't win

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Speaker 4: a pre selection.

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Speaker 1: You'll be punished. And that's the same with climate. If

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Speaker 1: anyone says I love renewables, you won't get pre selected.

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Speaker 3: So and ironically, similar to what happened with the Republicans

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Speaker 3: in the midterm elections, they couldn't get pre selected without

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Speaker 3: Trump's approval, but the mega candidates were overwhelmingly rejected by.

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Speaker 2: The broader electorate. So the parallels just keep coming.

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Speaker 3: Charlotte Mortlocke, if you were pre selected, I would vote

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Speaker 3: for you. I'd ride on the Labor ticket just for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Joe.

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Speaker 3: What another well, as they say in the Labour Party,

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Speaker 3: vote early, vote often.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on the real story.

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Speaker 2: I think you've absolutely nailed it.

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Speaker 1: No worries.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Joe, And that is all we have

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Speaker 2: God love you all. See you next week.

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Speaker 4: Kim