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Speaker 1: Seeing Whip with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh this is interesting. Things will calm down soon. It's

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Speaker 2: the new book by Zoe Foster Blake. It's about the

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Speaker 2: hairstylist Kick Cooper, Kick Cooper, Hairstylist to the Stars. But

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Speaker 2: the question is when will things calm down?

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Speaker 3: Zoey Foster Blake, Zoe.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to use a really big word here.

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Speaker 3: You may not understand from author to author?

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Speaker 4: Is that a rhetorical question?

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Speaker 1: I think it's like a mantra that you tell yourself

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Speaker 1: to get.

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Speaker 4: Through day by day.

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Speaker 1: Don't we all day by day by day?

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Speaker 3: And what tends to happen? What's the outcome?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about hairstylists though, and hair addresses because

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Speaker 2: I feel like Zoe there, they listen to a lot

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Speaker 2: of people's problems. When you sit in that chair, I

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Speaker 2: feel like people it's time to open up. It's brutal

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Speaker 2: honesty and they get to hear it all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I feel really sorry for hairdressers

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Speaker 1: because they must walk away just feeling so heavy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've given so much, have they? Not only are

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Speaker 5: they there, they've probably dragged themselves to location before anyone

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Speaker 5: else they're they're giving all their energy and making someone

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Speaker 5: else look beautiful and just sits there and talks about

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Speaker 5: themselves for an hour.

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Speaker 4: You know what I think it is though, as you

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Speaker 4: get older, like I just turned forty five, spring chicken stuff.

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Speaker 4: And even when I go to the dentist and I

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Speaker 4: don't like her of the dentist, but even when I'm there,

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Speaker 4: similar to a hairdresser, I feel like someone cares for me.

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Speaker 3: They do know for you whip are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a bit of a.

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Speaker 3: Therapy session for me. I know what you mean. You

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Speaker 3: feel vulnerable in those moments. Yeah, what's caring?

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Speaker 5: It is the makeup chair or maybe your pilate's teacher

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Speaker 5: who touches you just the right one right now. So

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Speaker 5: we talked to me about the book though, because what

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Speaker 5: I have read, I saw you in Voke, I've seen

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Speaker 5: you everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I was like, oh, that's so exciting.

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Speaker 5: And when I talk out of it, you look, you

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Speaker 5: know so much about the industry, about beauty and about journalism,

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Speaker 5: and like you've you've done so many wonderful things, and

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Speaker 5: everyone's been there on the journey with you.

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Speaker 3: They ask you questions all the time.

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Speaker 5: But it seems to me as though you wrote a

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Speaker 5: novel and not a self help book answering the questions,

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Speaker 5: do you in some way?

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Speaker 1: I meant that, Yeah, I totally, and thank you because

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Speaker 1: that's very much what it was meant to be. Instead

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Speaker 1: of writing a business book, of which there are many

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Speaker 1: in they're great, I can write fiction, and I think

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Speaker 1: we learn better when we're told stories and we don't

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Speaker 1: feel like we're being told maybe what to do. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to create a fictional world of a fictional

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Speaker 1: founder who has a great idea, starts business and then

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Speaker 1: has a brand and staff and all of these complicated things.

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Speaker 1: And that's not what she was. She was a hairstarst

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Speaker 1: and a creative and then sells the business. So she's

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Speaker 1: very much out of her depth but kind of just

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Speaker 1: making it up as she goes, which is exactly how

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Speaker 1: I feel as a founder.

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Speaker 3: Have you sold the rights to it? And can I

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Speaker 3: play kid? That's not bad.

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Speaker 5: I've got a feeling here. When I saw that book,

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Speaker 5: I was like, right, this is step what his new

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Speaker 5: business venture.

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Speaker 2: So what we do need to do with is Kit

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Speaker 2: has a charismatic but unreliable, romantic partner. So you can

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Speaker 2: relate to her.

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Speaker 1: My sweet husband. When he started reading it was like, Babe,

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Speaker 1: is this me? Because he's so charming and funny and gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: And I said, he is charming and funny and gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: but keeping very unreliable.

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Speaker 4: You've got your golf shirt on again. I'll see you

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Speaker 4: next week.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to ask about being in a room full

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Speaker 2: of suits, because when you first had to do that

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Speaker 2: with business, with you know, presenting a book or you

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Speaker 2: know all that kind of stuff, does it freak you out?

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Speaker 2: Were there failures?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So being a founder of female founder, young female

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Speaker 1: founder and being in a room when I was looking

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Speaker 1: to sell half of my business full of very accomplished, confident,

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Speaker 1: experience finance people sometimes up to fifteen. They are lucky

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Speaker 1: to be in the room with me. And I had

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Speaker 1: to keep telling myself that that they have the money,

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Speaker 1: but I have the ideas, and.

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Speaker 3: That's you have what they don't have, that's in here.

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Speaker 1: But I got so much more confidence. I went through

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Speaker 1: to the point where I mean I didn't have my

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Speaker 1: legs up and I wasn't smoking a.

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Speaker 5: Cigar, but I was like, no, but you kind of

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Speaker 5: need to.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing in some ways in your head. You need to.

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Speaker 5: Imagine that to have a false sense of bravado. Especially

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Speaker 5: the first time I could do this, I've got to

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Speaker 5: fake it till I make it.

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Speaker 1: I was like stuttering, and I was very nervous. And

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Speaker 1: then by the end I've done it so many times

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Speaker 1: and I knew exactly what the deal was. But I

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Speaker 1: still feel like that, Yeah, a lot of the time,

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Speaker 1: come out of my depth.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the product suggestion the other day or

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Speaker 4: the pairing of products? I think it was a Tudor advocate.

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Speaker 4: They suggested that the go to face masks. That's the

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Speaker 4: sign when it's the time for a guy to.

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Speaker 1: Go and grab a beer, grab a bee. You've got

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Speaker 1: ten minutes? Would you do go to be a Funnily enough,

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Speaker 1: we did do shall beholders for broke your way back?

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Speaker 2: What about face mask? Could you do a beer?

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Speaker 3: All that yeast? Do you want yeast on your face? Happy?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I need to keep it on by yourself. Probably,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, guy.

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Speaker 2: Things will calm down soon, Boa Foster Blake. It's on

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Speaker 2: sale now. Zoey, thank you so much for jumping in

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 1: Was it h love?

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Speaker 2: I'll wait for the mask.

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Speaker 5: At Home.

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Speaker 4: Kick if It's In Whippa with Kate Ritchie is a

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