WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 14 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 3>I thanks very much for watching. Lots to get to

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<v Speaker 3>it tonight. Yes, of course, the battle about who should

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<v Speaker 3>come to the country and the manner in which they

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<v Speaker 3>should come, it's been one that we've had for more

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<v Speaker 3>than twenty years, and new version of it tonight we'll

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<v Speaker 3>get to that. From a bishop and Stephen Conroy. There's

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<v Speaker 3>also great idea about something that I know a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it you care about, which is how do.

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<v Speaker 2>We get more people into their first home.

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<v Speaker 3>Great idea, a solution, not just talking about the problem tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>and a maniple Beacon Kelly about everything that is happening

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States. If I seem a little different

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<v Speaker 3>tonight than I normally am, it's because I am. If

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<v Speaker 3>I seem a little rattled tonight, it's because I am.

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<v Speaker 3>If it seems I'm a little emotional tonight, I apologize

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<v Speaker 3>because I am.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, I am.

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<v Speaker 3>The father of the world's best little girls, and they

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<v Speaker 3>are in the public education system. I'm proud of them

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<v Speaker 3>and proud of their teachers, and I'm proud of their friends.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have to talk tonight about how we are

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<v Speaker 3>letting our kids down and that the kids are not

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<v Speaker 3>all right. I'm not saying that about my girls. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying that about.

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<v Speaker 2>All the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>We spend in public education between the federal, state and governments,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eight billion dollars from the federal government, fifty two

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollars from the state governments, back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a little year, push a little.

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<v Speaker 3>There, seventy billion dollars, seventy billion dollars. Today we learned

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<v Speaker 3>that yet again, despite the money which has gone up

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<v Speaker 3>a little since those numbers, despite.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that if you look at it over.

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<v Speaker 3>Five years or ten years, you start to get into

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<v Speaker 3>crazy numbers of hundreds of billions of dollars, we are

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<v Speaker 3>going backwards. It matters because education is such a key.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an ability to change your life and its ability

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<v Speaker 3>to set you up for a life. Today, the Napline

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<v Speaker 3>results showed that one in three Australian students primary upper primary,

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<v Speaker 3>high school one in three are not meeting basic literacy

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<v Speaker 3>and numeracy standards. Now, I know that this is not

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<v Speaker 3>going to fire up people like the refugee stuff and

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<v Speaker 3>all the rest, but this is the only thing that

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<v Speaker 3>really matters, because this is our country and it's the

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<v Speaker 3>future of our country. And I've done versions of this

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<v Speaker 3>editorial multiple times where you thunder and scream and flip the.

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<v Speaker 2>Table and hope that that's going to get a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of attention, but it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead, the same results every bloody year. Well again, the

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<v Speaker 3>results again are across numeracy and spelling and.

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<v Speaker 2>Grammar and everything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Now half the country's great, sixteen percent of the country

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely nailing it. But then there's about thirty three percent

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<v Speaker 3>of the country that is below standard. There's the best

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<v Speaker 3>part of ten percent of the country that are so

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<v Speaker 3>far behind.

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<v Speaker 2>That they need support.

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<v Speaker 3>The article from the ABC about this there's one in

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<v Speaker 3>three Australian school students is not meeting the literacy and

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<v Speaker 3>numeracy benchmarks and more than one in ten additional support

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<v Speaker 3>one intend and need additional support. Experts say that the

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<v Speaker 3>scores demonstrate the urgent need for classroom reforms. Otherwise a

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<v Speaker 3>significant part of a generation looks set to miss out

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<v Speaker 3>on crucial foundational learning. Now, I repeat every teacher that

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<v Speaker 3>I've met the whole time in my little girls.

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<v Speaker 2>You are amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, And to so many of the teachers, they

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<v Speaker 3>are great. Whoever setting the curriculum and whoever sort of

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<v Speaker 3>throwing in the wokeness.

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<v Speaker 2>I have my issues with you, all right, So I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Difference between the ultra ultra frontline and the people that

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<v Speaker 3>are making decisions about I get all of that wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the future of our country. We talk about

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<v Speaker 3>the future of our country. Are we able to defend

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves against China? Well, this is our country today and

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<v Speaker 3>we are getting a report that a third of its

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<v Speaker 3>future is not up to scratch. And not because they're dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Something's wrong. Something's wrong in the fundamentals, it's wrong in

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<v Speaker 3>the way where parenting or I don't know, but something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to ring a damn bell that something

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<v Speaker 3>is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're one of.

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<v Speaker 3>The people whose kids are in the fifty percent that

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<v Speaker 3>are fine or the sixteen percent of.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, good luck. But all of us have to care

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<v Speaker 2>about who's been left behind.

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<v Speaker 3>Here Someone from the Gratin Institute, Yes, are lefty, but

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<v Speaker 3>still says in plain English one third of Australian children

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<v Speaker 3>are not on track with their learning. It's almost half

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<v Speaker 3>a million students around the country that are not where

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<v Speaker 3>we need them to be. The results are bad everywhere

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<v Speaker 3>bad in New South Wales, bad in Victoria, bad in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>Now amazingly.

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<v Speaker 3>There was not a lot of focus today in cambrid

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<v Speaker 3>because again, the more interesting conversation is all the sort

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<v Speaker 3>of heavily emotional conversations about who should come here in

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<v Speaker 3>the manner in which they should come. And I understand

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<v Speaker 3>why that debate matters, but I absolutely believe that this

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<v Speaker 3>is the lead story today. We have become so used

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<v Speaker 3>to these results that they don't they said, no, shutter

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<v Speaker 3>up a spine, and nobody's asses kicked into action, and

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<v Speaker 3>nobody loses their job because of the endless failures, and

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<v Speaker 3>nobody promises to do better, and we don't change the thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>As Kevin Donnelly the education experts often says it, the

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<v Speaker 3>same people keep read writing the rule book. Well guess

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<v Speaker 3>what happens, the same outcomes. We absolutely need fresh and

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<v Speaker 3>new thinking. Why don't we turn to school systems that

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<v Speaker 3>work better than ours, that get better results than ours,

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<v Speaker 3>and try to bring in some of these experts from

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<v Speaker 3>overseas to have a look at our system and say

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<v Speaker 3>that's wrong, that's wrong, that's okay, that's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>But if we just keep sort of having the same

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<v Speaker 3>conversation amongst ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>The results are obvious. A couple of years ago I

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<v Speaker 2>told you the three hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>B four billion dollars had been spent on schools, yet

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<v Speaker 3>things started going backwards and had been going backwards every year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a couple of.

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<v Speaker 3>Years after we had that conversation, so you can add

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<v Speaker 3>another couple of hundred billion dollars onto it, like half

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<v Speaker 3>a trillion dollars, and they go backwards every year. A

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<v Speaker 3>significant number of kids are left behind. Now Jason Clare

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<v Speaker 3>is the Education Minister, he should be ashamed of these results. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>he is trying to use these results to yet again

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<v Speaker 3>have a change of the education system, where no doubt

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<v Speaker 3>the exact same people who got us in this mess

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<v Speaker 3>will be the exact same people who will design a

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<v Speaker 3>new way of getting back into the same mess. But

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<v Speaker 3>that said, he said the right thing today in our

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<v Speaker 3>federal Parliament about how bad these numbers are.

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<v Speaker 2>What the results don't show.

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<v Speaker 4>But I want to inform the house is it's only

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent of those children who fall behind when they're

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<v Speaker 4>little who catch up by the time they're in year

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<v Speaker 4>nine in the middle of high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>Just twenty percent of the kids that fall behind actually

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<v Speaker 3>catch up, so eight out of ten of the three

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<v Speaker 3>out of ten do not catch up. Now, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>person who speaks with no authority but absolute interest in

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<v Speaker 3>this subject because, as I've told you many times before,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm high functioning dyslexic. I'm a person who absolutely bombed

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<v Speaker 3>year twelve and got like forty something out of one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm lucky because i have a certain series of talents.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sitting here tonight not asking for pity, but

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<v Speaker 3>very aware that there are people who struggle in our

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<v Speaker 3>school system who don't end up sitting where I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 3>right now, and we've got to talk about it. I

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<v Speaker 3>want those kids to be okay, and I want our

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<v Speaker 3>system to be the one that will help them be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't care how much money it costs if

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<v Speaker 3>it's not the same people making the same mistakes over

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<v Speaker 3>and over again, well again. If you had results like

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<v Speaker 3>this and you were the chief financial officer, you'd be

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<v Speaker 3>very close to losing your job. If you've got the

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<v Speaker 3>same results and your chief executive officer, you would be

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<v Speaker 3>very close to losing your job. If this was a

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<v Speaker 3>listed company, that keeps performing as poorly at share price

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<v Speaker 3>would be through the floor. Yet nothing changes. Not one

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<v Speaker 3>person will lose their job as a result of this performance.

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<v Speaker 3>And we know that there are plenty of examples of

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<v Speaker 3>kids who are told not even to turn up for

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<v Speaker 3>these tests because they too would further pull down the numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>No one is served by that sort of blindness. Nobody

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<v Speaker 3>is served by that sort of ignorance. And while I

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<v Speaker 3>say thank you to the Education Minister for pointing out

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<v Speaker 3>the gravity of the situation, whatever credit he had with

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<v Speaker 3>me immediately flushed down the toot same answer in Parliament today.

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<v Speaker 3>Rather than talking about everyone pulling together and getting our

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<v Speaker 3>best minds left, right and center from here and overseas

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<v Speaker 3>to save a generation of Australians, he made a crass,

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<v Speaker 3>piss week political point.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what the fifteen percent pay rise that we

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<v Speaker 5>announced for Earlierede Cats is all about.

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<v Speaker 6>Opposed by the Liberal Party and opposed by that guy

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<v Speaker 6>in the Senate what's his name again, Jared Reddick, who

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<v Speaker 6>said that paying early educators more.

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<v Speaker 4>Was going to destroy the family unit.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the bloke that the Opposition leader endorsed and said,

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<v Speaker 5>quote unquote was a great defender of liberal values. Mister speaker,

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<v Speaker 5>if they're liberal values, then God help us.

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<v Speaker 2>Shame on you, minister, truly, shame on you. Look, things

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<v Speaker 2>are really terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a huge number of kids that are falling behind,

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<v Speaker 3>and the kids who fall behind, they don't make it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But back to the politics. This report should have the

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<v Speaker 2>same media impact.

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<v Speaker 3>As a closing the gap style failure because it is

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<v Speaker 3>an indication about what is not working. Sadly, there's more

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<v Speaker 3>evidence about how the kids aren't right. I'm sorry it

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<v Speaker 3>ain't a rock and roll starts at tonight's show. But

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<v Speaker 3>tonight we're talking the real deal here, the real deal tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Professor Patrick mcgurry is a brilliant Australian. Don't agree with

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<v Speaker 3>everything he's ever said in his life, as I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>he would never agree with most of what I say,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's a brilliant Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>He and again.

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<v Speaker 3>Made of Mind Professor Ian Hickey are two people that

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<v Speaker 3>have always fought for better mental health systems. He of course,

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<v Speaker 3>was the Australian of the Year, that being Patrick in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty ten. Today he released a report that was about

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<v Speaker 3>the mental health failures of this country and particularly yet again,

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<v Speaker 3>how we are failing a generation of kids. Now, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're somebody who just thinks all they need is in

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<v Speaker 3>a tablespoon of cement and hardened up and all they

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<v Speaker 3>need is a swift kick in the buttet, sorry, that

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<v Speaker 3>ain't the real world. The real world here is that

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<v Speaker 3>the kids are in trouble now. Yes they are in

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<v Speaker 3>trouble because they're being told the planet's ending. Yes they're

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<v Speaker 3>in trouble because they're being told it's on stolen lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>But there is clearly something deeper. The incidents of mentally

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<v Speaker 3>ill of the mental ill health in young people in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia has risen by fifty percent in the past fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's because they're over diagnosing port. I know, all

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<v Speaker 3>the little off ramps that people say to not have

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<v Speaker 3>a real chat about this, I'm not going to take them. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>there has been a further rising and a steep rising

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<v Speaker 3>since the COVID nineteen pandemic, which is why I raged

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<v Speaker 3>the way that I did about schools being closed.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of the people who got screwed over.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, people like Daniel Andrews, they get a little

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<v Speaker 3>gold medal. They have ruined a generation of kids, kids

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<v Speaker 3>who will become adults, who will become parents, and who

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<v Speaker 3>knows what happens after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, with what is passed.

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<v Speaker 3>Down teenage girls, fifty percent of women age between sixteen

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty four experience having a mental health disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's because of social media.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, all of these things they make it worse.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these things make it worse. But there's stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that's chemically going on.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I don't say this as some sort of wellness

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<v Speaker 3>preacher or blogger or someone who's suggesting that every kid

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<v Speaker 3>needs riddle.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reality is that mental health.

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<v Speaker 3>There are things that are going on inside people and

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<v Speaker 3>when their brain is building, when there are difficulties or

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<v Speaker 3>deficiencies or things aren't connecting properly. Again, just go for

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<v Speaker 3>a walk outside. It ain't going to fix it. We

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<v Speaker 3>continue here, Patrick mcgurry his quotes. The conclusion is that

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<v Speaker 3>society is in trouble in terms of its ability to

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<v Speaker 3>safeguard the mental health of young people as they make

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<v Speaker 3>the transition from childhood to adulthood. Yeah, this is depressing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not as much fun as it is to watch

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<v Speaker 3>the block. I'm sorry for that tonight, but rather than

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<v Speaker 3>spoon feed a whole bunch of stuff that will make

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<v Speaker 3>you feel nice and warm on the end. Inside there

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<v Speaker 3>is tough chats that have to be had sometimes, and

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<v Speaker 3>the tough chat tonight he's something's wrong with our kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the answer is. Because I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>TV host. All I can ever do is try to

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<v Speaker 3>point us in the direction of what the problems are

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<v Speaker 3>and really pay attention with the people who are experts

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<v Speaker 3>in this stuff, not the people who turn around and

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<v Speaker 3>say that we should wear masks outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the experts.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not talking about all those people again, I

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<v Speaker 3>know all the off ramps that people throw to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure we don't have the conversation, that.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have the chat.

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<v Speaker 3>And you will feel a little bit helpless thinking about this,

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<v Speaker 3>because again, what can we do well? Again, let's get

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<v Speaker 3>into a little more from this report, A little more

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<v Speaker 3>from Professor Patrick mcgury, the Australian of the Year in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty ten. He talks about how there is a huge

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<v Speaker 3>gap between the number of people who have issues to

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<v Speaker 3>do with mental health and the amount of money that

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<v Speaker 3>there is to actually deal with mental health. He puts

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<v Speaker 3>some numbers on this that are going to frighten you.

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<v Speaker 3>He refers to it to the form of discrimination in

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<v Speaker 3>a funding sense against against the middle ell. It means

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<v Speaker 3>only fifty percent of people with mental illness get access

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<v Speaker 3>to treatment. Repeat, fifty percent of people with mental illness

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<v Speaker 3>get access to treatment. Just fifteen percent of that treatment

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<v Speaker 3>is an acceptable quality. So think of those numbers. Fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>percent of fifty percent is the right amount of treatment

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<v Speaker 3>that's taking place. Yet, we have so many people with

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<v Speaker 3>so many problems that we all know this. We see

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<v Speaker 3>it every day, We live it in our own lives,

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about it with our friends and our families,

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<v Speaker 3>or sometimes we keep it so deep inside.

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<v Speaker 2>One last one from you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is all under the radar, and under the radar,

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<v Speaker 3>the public is simmering about this issue. If you talk

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<v Speaker 3>to any family and anyone that's trying to access mental

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<v Speaker 3>health care, they have terrible difficulties. We want to see

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<v Speaker 3>this become a number one health priority. Mental health has

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<v Speaker 3>always been a poor cousin. This crisis is not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be reversed overnight. It is going to take a

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<v Speaker 3>political consensus to do so. And while we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>the rising tide, we've got to actually help the casualties,

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<v Speaker 3>which are two out of five young people. The kids

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<v Speaker 3>aren't all right, and I don't know what the reason is.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet there's all those other things that I said

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<v Speaker 3>are all the off ramps so that we don't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about this yere but clearly one of the big things

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<v Speaker 3>we have to do is start to throw money at

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<v Speaker 3>treatment in the way that we would like cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how serious this is.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to make sure that in the same way

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<v Speaker 3>you have the capacity to go to a GP, you

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<v Speaker 3>should be able to get access to some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>assistance in all of the very complicated ways when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to mental health. And I'm talking about the young,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about the old. I'm talking about people who

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<v Speaker 3>think they're at the top of their game. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the manic depressives, I'm talking about the depressives, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the anxious.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Because either we have something going on inside of us

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<v Speaker 3>that has been diagnosed or hasn't been diagnosed, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>a very significant number of people who have been diagnosed,

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<v Speaker 3>and those people need to make sure that they have

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<v Speaker 3>maximum treatment. One of the earliest things that the Abenezy

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<v Speaker 3>government did that I will never forgive them for was

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<v Speaker 3>they reduced the number of free telehealth sessions that you

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<v Speaker 3>could have with mental health professionals. That needed to be reversed.

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<v Speaker 3>It was reversed in some regional areas, but it should

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<v Speaker 3>be reversed in every area in the country. The amount

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<v Speaker 3>of money that goes to things like crisis hotlines needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be trebled. The amount of money that goes to

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<v Speaker 3>serious healthcare professionals who can take care of people, all

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<v Speaker 3>the way from pastoral care to professors. All of it

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<v Speaker 3>needs more money, more support. This is not because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a bleeding heart, but it's because, like you, this is

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<v Speaker 3>all that life's about. It is about having a safe

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<v Speaker 3>country and having a certain set of values, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>also about making sure that people have the strength to

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<v Speaker 3>get through the day. We are being told today that

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<v Speaker 3>our kids are being left behind at school. We are

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<v Speaker 3>being told today that our kids are being left behind

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to their mental health. I hope someone listens.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that the same Prime Minister who made that

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<v Speaker 3>despicable decision about telehealth reverses it because there's money out there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's money out there every single day. When it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to this Prime Minister, it will be harder for him

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with this than just hanging out with Olympians

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<v Speaker 3>like he did today. It will be harder for him

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with than just pandering and saying that AFL

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<v Speaker 3>should become an Olympic sport. It will be harder than

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<v Speaker 3>trying to convince the country of your position when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to a referendum. But more importantly, it'll need more

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<v Speaker 3>than the half a billion dollars that was spent on it.

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<v Speaker 3>And again the Prime Minister is planning to spend four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and something million dollars on not one, but two

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<v Speaker 3>private jets ordered by the previous government but not canceled

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<v Speaker 3>by this government. I just came up with a billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars for your Prime Minister, and I just pointed in

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<v Speaker 3>the direction of how you should spend it.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the actual story.

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<v Speaker 3>That apparently the media was focused on today, this was

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the end of the earth, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton has been labeled heartless for saying Australia should

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<v Speaker 3>stop taking refugees from Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton is.

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<v Speaker 4>Being called heartless and racist after the Opposition leader said

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<v Speaker 4>people fleeing war torn Gaza should not be granted visas

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<v Speaker 4>to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton says they pose a national security risk.

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<v Speaker 1>The comments of anger Muslim leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did he actually say here? It is unedited.

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<v Speaker 7>If people are coming in from that war zone and

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<v Speaker 7>we're uncertain about identity, all their allegiances, that Harmas's enlisted

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<v Speaker 7>terrorist organization. They've just committed an atrocity against the Jewish people,

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<v Speaker 7>the biggest attack on people of Jewish faith since a Holocaust,

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<v Speaker 7>and that the government wouldn't be conducting Czechs. I don't

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<v Speaker 7>think people should be coming in from that war zone

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<v Speaker 7>at all.

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<v Speaker 3>About two thirds of that's right, the last third is wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the reality. In the same way that the people

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<v Speaker 3>of China are not the Chinese Communist Party, the people

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<v Speaker 3>of Russia are not Vladimir Putin, the people of Gaza

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<v Speaker 3>are not Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Australia is a place that has a responsibility to yes,

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<v Speaker 3>have a lifeboat, a lifeboat that cannot take everyone who

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<v Speaker 3>needs to get into that lifeboat. And we have certain

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<v Speaker 3>number of seats, and if people from Gaza pass the test,

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<v Speaker 3>then yes they.

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<v Speaker 2>Should come to the country.

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<v Speaker 3>But the tests, of course they do need to be rigorous.

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<v Speaker 3>They do need to be higher than what has been

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<v Speaker 3>said in the past. But we are in a place

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<v Speaker 3>right now where I don't know why it has to

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<v Speaker 3>be said, but it has to be said. The idea

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<v Speaker 3>that all Palestinians are us is not true. By saying that,

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<v Speaker 3>I am not pretending that the horrible things that a

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<v Speaker 3>mass has done did not happen or are not terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not trying to solve a problem on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of the world that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't solve.

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<v Speaker 3>But I am saying that Australia has a lifeboat and

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<v Speaker 3>we try to take people from all parts of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>including places like Gasa. Should we take everyone?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we take everyone yesterday?

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<v Speaker 8>Know?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we do better? Tests? Of course, so.

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<v Speaker 3>As to say I agree with two thirds of it,

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<v Speaker 3>I of course disagree with where inevitably will go in

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<v Speaker 3>the next few days.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter dun't. Peter dun't.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter dunt and Peter Dunn and Peter dunn't. But I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't know why I had to say it, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Meantime, when it comes to immigration more broadly, not about refugees. Remember,

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of last year we of course, had

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<v Speaker 3>clueless Claire O'Neil and the Prime Minister telling us, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they're definitely going to cut the amount of immigration coming

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<v Speaker 3>into the country. Remember this was December and Anthony Abernezi

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<v Speaker 3>announces plans to reduce immigration levels following the COVID influx. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, the issue that Australians have with immigration

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<v Speaker 3>is not from where people come.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not from what they believe.

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<v Speaker 3>The reality is that people can come from all parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the world as long as, of course they are

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<v Speaker 3>willing to live to the standards of life here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>We should have processes that make sure that you can

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<v Speaker 3>weed out as much of that as possible. That this

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<v Speaker 3>flag means sorry, this flag means renewal, unity, all the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So we also know that.

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<v Speaker 3>On this program when we talk about immigration, we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about literally a scenario where if you just keep adding.

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<v Speaker 2>More people to the queue, well things get harder.

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<v Speaker 3>Every state in the country right now has a problem

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<v Speaker 3>where if you call an ambulance, it may or may

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<v Speaker 3>not turn up because the ambulance may or may not

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<v Speaker 3>be at a hospital with a person sitting in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of it, because they may or may not be

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<v Speaker 3>able to get into a hospital. You add more people,

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<v Speaker 3>that gets worse. There are people who are currently homeless.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, the most number of homeless that Australia has

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<v Speaker 3>ever had according to the Bureau Statistics in the last census.

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<v Speaker 3>So when a rental property comes up, guess what if

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<v Speaker 3>you keep adding more people to it and they need

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere to stay, the rental line gets longer. If the

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<v Speaker 3>number of properties gets smaller because we're not building enough

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<v Speaker 3>houses to keep up with the demand currently there is,

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<v Speaker 3>then we get into a world of pain. And the

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<v Speaker 3>IPA actually put a number on this that despite all

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<v Speaker 3>of the conversation, all we're coming back and all the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of it, if you look government by government sort

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<v Speaker 3>of election to election, election to election, election to election,

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<v Speaker 3>this government right now, according to the IPA, more people

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<v Speaker 3>than ever before. In the first term of the Hawk

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<v Speaker 3>government it was less than two hundred thousand. First term

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<v Speaker 3>of the Well first and only term of the Kending

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<v Speaker 3>government two hundred thousand, Hawk and keyting from ninety to

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<v Speaker 3>ninety three again two hundred thousand, and then we start

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<v Speaker 3>get to the second third term of John Howard two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and one. That's we sort of start pushing towards

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred thousand. From two thousand and four to two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and seven, the Howard government at about six hundred thousand,

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<v Speaker 3>the Morrison and Turnbull era of twenty sixteen to two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and nineteen, you're starting to push to eight hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Alberzi pushing up at one point two million. We are nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Near the next election according to the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>As the Daily may World wrote it today, the Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister Anthony Aberanzi is allowed to record one point one

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<v Speaker 3>five million migrants into the country since he came to power.

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<v Speaker 3>Net migration taken from July twenty three May twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>was four hundred and forty five thousand, which of course

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<v Speaker 3>is higher than the number that was in the budget.

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<v Speaker 3>The budget that of course was prepared after they had

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<v Speaker 3>made the announcement that they were going to cut So

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<v Speaker 3>guess what labour life And just twenty seven months, mister

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<v Speaker 3>Abenezi has brought more migrants to the country the entire

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<v Speaker 3>hawk Keating years. Albanese's governments also a whopping sixty two

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<v Speaker 3>percent more migrants than the rud Gillard term. But nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to see here. You're racist if you mention any of it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of quick things worth mentioning. As a bloke

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<v Speaker 3>in Melbourne, he's been a lollipop man for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got awards for it and he deserves plenty of

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<v Speaker 3>high fives. One of the things this bloke does is

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<v Speaker 3>the lollipop man, is that he gives high five to

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<v Speaker 3>the kids that the crossing the street. Why because it's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Some lunatic, sorry I shouldn't say. Some person I strongly

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<v Speaker 3>disagree with, decided to complain. The story made it to

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<v Speaker 3>the papers today. A single complaint from a parent in

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<v Speaker 3>Melbourne's Outer East prompted the Yarrow Region As Council to

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<v Speaker 3>issue a beloved children's crossing supervisor with a warning about

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<v Speaker 3>unnecessary physical contact with children and young people. In a

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<v Speaker 3>statement to the Age, a Yarrow Range As Council spokesperson

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<v Speaker 3>confirmed that the supervisor had been reminded of his child

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<v Speaker 3>safety obligations. Honestly, okay, if you don't want your kid

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<v Speaker 3>to high five to the lollipop man, your that's what

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<v Speaker 3>you say to your kid. And maybe if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to have a little chat and that look just my

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<v Speaker 3>kids not comfortable it or you fine, everyone else can

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 3>high five, and he can high five these people? Seriously,

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 3>how they come up each and every day with this

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<v Speaker 3>sort of new ways to.

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<v Speaker 2>Make us cranky?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Well, under all the men, women, boys, girls, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>the panoply of people around the country, who of course

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<v Speaker 3>are the lollipop men and women of the country, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>do under all of you in.

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<v Speaker 2>High five away.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get to the United States here, where, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>the Trump Harris election is shaping up as well, just

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<v Speaker 3>as close as you thought it was going to be,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than the barnstorming a victory that most likely Trump

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<v Speaker 3>was going to have over Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's his name.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you may remember that one of the one of

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<v Speaker 3>the policies that Donald Trump had for a very long

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<v Speaker 3>period of time during this election was very successful in

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<v Speaker 3>places like Nevada.

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<v Speaker 2>It was no tax on.

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<v Speaker 9>Tips, massive tax cuts for workers that include something else

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<v Speaker 9>that stood out to be very popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually here, it's.

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<v Speaker 9>Very popular in this building and all those hotels that

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<v Speaker 9>I saw that are so nice. I'm staying in a

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<v Speaker 9>nice one. It's called no tax on tips, No tax on.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the political calculus was again in places where there

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<v Speaker 3>are lots of people who work in the service industry,

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<v Speaker 3>and anyone who's gone to America knows they get paid

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<v Speaker 3>this much by the place they're working for, and the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of their money they make in tips, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why the service in America is so amazing. Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 3>would be one of those cities. Las Vegas, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>is in the state of Nevada. Donald Trump has been

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<v Speaker 3>able to in the poll's turn it from a regular

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<v Speaker 3>blue state to a red state because of that policy. So, surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris has promised exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 10>We will continue our fight.

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<v Speaker 11>For working families of America, including to raise the minimum wage.

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<v Speaker 7>And eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality worker.

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<v Speaker 3>But the reason I'm talking to you tonight about it

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<v Speaker 3>is because same policy, two different candidates, one news organization,

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<v Speaker 3>two very different stories. This has been online for a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days, and thank you to the mates who

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<v Speaker 3>pointed it out to me. Always support how into the

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<v Speaker 3>fight that you are and fight, fight, fight. CBS News

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<v Speaker 3>is the one that we are talking about. When Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump made the announcement, former President Donald Trump's vow to

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<v Speaker 3>stop taxing tips would cost the federal governm two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>fifty billion dollars over ten news bad, terrible, evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Or all bankrupt everything. When you actually click onto the link,

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<v Speaker 2>read the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Former President Donald Trump's vow to stop taxing tips would

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<v Speaker 3>cost the federal government two hundred and fifty b four

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollars over ten years. The proposal, made by Trump

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time just over a week ago in Nevada,

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<v Speaker 3>would increase the nation's read in one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>billion to two hundred and fifty billion, and possibly much

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<v Speaker 3>more if it was to cause a shift in the

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<v Speaker 3>overall compensation of way. So this was a bad, terrible,

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 3>economically irresponsible policy. I think you know what the punchline is,

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<v Speaker 3>CBS News, different candidate, same policy. Vice President Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 3>is rolling out new policy position, saying she'll fight to

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<v Speaker 3>end taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers.

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<v Speaker 2>Click the link, read the story. Read slightly different, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>On Monday, the White House press spokesperson said President Biden

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<v Speaker 3>supports the proposal to eliminate federal taxes on tips. The

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<v Speaker 3>Culen re Union, which represents sixty thousand hospitality workers in Nevada,

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<v Speaker 3>praised Harris for the policy. The Union, said Vice President

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris acknowledged the hard working men and women of

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<v Speaker 3>the hospitality industry and committed tonight in Las Vegas to

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<v Speaker 3>raise the minimum wage across the country and fight to

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<v Speaker 3>end taxes on tips as the next president of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States. So when it's Trump, it's bad for the country.

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<v Speaker 3>When it's Harris, it's amazing. Same policy. Don't believe your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes when these are people who lie to you over

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<v Speaker 3>and over and over again, ignore and hang here for

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 3>the truth. We'd break back with more, pleaded to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about Bromin, Bishop Stephen Conroy and looking forward to Meghan

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly in a few minutes time.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a big one tonight. Thanks for watching. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for watching.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, a couple of people send me emails. I was

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<v Speaker 3>obviously personalizing the education story because all my little girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Write in it right now. Their naplane was fine. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for a couple of people who decided to reach

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<v Speaker 2>out about that.

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing great, they're sailing, they're amazing. Their teachers are

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 3>awesome too.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I apologize for any confusion, especially to my little girls

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<v Speaker 3>who will be the ones kicking dad right in the

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<v Speaker 3>place and Bishop is here in the man cave.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Conroy is here to help.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, always from Melbourne, they'll agree on everything. So

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<v Speaker 3>let's get to what was discussed today. We all heard

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<v Speaker 3>the grab and all back and forth about whether we

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<v Speaker 3>should be taking more less none refugees from Palestine from

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<v Speaker 3>the Gaza strip. There are two million people that are there. Stephen, again,

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned that I agreed with sort of two thirds

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<v Speaker 3>of what Peter Dunton had said, where you do need

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<v Speaker 3>to have stringent things, you do need to have all

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<v Speaker 3>of these things in place, and if that means it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a quick extradition, then sadly that is the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not for the hard No, what do you think.

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<v Speaker 12>I think, Paul, I actually agree with you. I think

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<v Speaker 12>the coalition we're putting labor in a very difficult place

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<v Speaker 12>with the position that they were saying and wanting security

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<v Speaker 12>checks following the process, making sure everybody. And Dave Sharma

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 12>was on Shari's show and he talked about how they

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<v Speaker 12>were criticized for taking too long over Siria, etc. So

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<v Speaker 12>I think the Coalition were in a good but it

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<v Speaker 12>seems like just this last little bit is a little

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<v Speaker 12>bit of overreach. And I think it's been described by

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<v Speaker 12>some in the coalition players behind the scenes as it

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<v Speaker 12>was a captain's pick. He sort of he went off

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<v Speaker 12>pieced a little bit, and I think it is just

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<v Speaker 12>a genuine flight average. I think they had labor well placed.

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<v Speaker 12>You just got to point to what happened with the

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<v Speaker 12>decision around Direction ninety nine when it came to the

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<v Speaker 12>refugees after the High Court decision, and you know, one

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<v Speaker 12>or two of them began to re offend, and Andrew

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<v Speaker 12>Giles was under the government were under enormous pressure. Tony

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<v Speaker 12>Burke's placing himself in the situation where he needs to

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<v Speaker 12>He needs to make sure not one of these people

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<v Speaker 12>express a view or behaved in a way that could

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<v Speaker 12>be seen to be pro hamas organization.

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<v Speaker 13>You were starting to make sense until you brought Giles

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<v Speaker 13>into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you ruined your argument.

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<v Speaker 13>Peter Dutton today.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not prudent.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't think as usual. I don't think you listen,

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 12>Oh yes I did.

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<v Speaker 13>I didn't like what I heard.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think that Dunton landed in the right

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 2>place to day?

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<v Speaker 13>I think when he said it was not prudent to

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<v Speaker 13>bring people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's two versions of this comment today.

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<v Speaker 13>Striking the right notes good point because the words of

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<v Speaker 13>Mike Burgers worried me. I really was worried.

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 2>That was ludicrous what he said.

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<v Speaker 13>It made no sense to me.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Which again was basically, you could support, but you can

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 3>still come in. No but no support, then you can

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 3>come in.

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<v Speaker 13>But I mean, asio has to be above the frack,

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<v Speaker 13>above the fray, and his words alarmed me. And I'm

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 13>sure that that's part of why there was that reaction

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 13>from Peter Dutton, and rightfully so, I think the comeback

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 13>from the government or we just takes advice, it didn't

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 13>ring true simply because of that difficulty.

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, and as Cherry pointed out before, the usual process

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 3>takes clearly within an hour, multiple weeks, multiple months.

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 13>There was more to it than that Bird just said,

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<v Speaker 13>oh we did check some oh, but some the applications

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<v Speaker 13>didn't get it in time, so we couldn't do I'm sorry,

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 13>that's not good enough. So I think Peter was quite

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 13>right in drawing attention to that. And if anyone is

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 13>to come in, they must be thoroughly scrutinized, absolutely thoroughly scrutinized.

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 13>And if that can't be done, then we can't have them.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing, Stephen, where again to get how

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 3>politics works, which is one quote stands forever one doesn't.

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 3>This government, of course, has done plenty and I have

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 3>got the examples, and they will be all ready to

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 3>roll tomorrow if they want to turn around and say

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 3>what And I don't alway said that they too have

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 3>rolled back things. It is what politicians do. And I

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 3>think that every politician has the right to say, look,

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe a little too far, a little too

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<v Speaker 3>the other way, but we know what's going to happen here,

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 3>which is that again question time tomorrow is now going

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 3>to be sort of great outrage from the left and

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 3>there's going to be a great double down from the right.

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed all of the people in the press Scalia

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 3>will of course wave their fingers all the rest of it.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 3>But if we are going to get lost on the

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 3>back third of the comment, then we are actually missing

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 3>the issue. The actual issue is about we have a

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 3>humanitarian policy, we have a refugee policy. Let's make sure

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 3>that when it is applied to anyone from anywhere, that

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:20.879
<v Speaker 3>the standard is.

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<v Speaker 2>As high as possible.

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 3>And if we're arguing anything other than that, then I

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 3>think that's political bad actors.

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.399
<v Speaker 13>There's another point in there too, when they were talking

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 13>about Afghanistan, we had troops on the ground. Yeah, that

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.879
<v Speaker 13>makes a difference to the sort of policies you put

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 13>in place, and I think that point has to be

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 13>made strongly as well.

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but again we'll see where it goes in the

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 3>next of a while. Let's talk to some other things,

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 3>because again it's been sort of tough rowing with some

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 3>of the opinion this evening.

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:50.240
<v Speaker 2>But I was in one of those modes.

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, you get a truth dump on this show

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 3>each and every night, and particular ones every now and then.

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Now let's talk about hex because a really interesting idea

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.879
<v Speaker 3>which is being served up by Lefty will never happen,

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 3>but still at least it's someone talking about a solution

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 3>to people being able to buy.

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 2>A house, which is the suggestion that your hex.

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Deck could be deferred when you're trying to get alone

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 3>in order to get a better chance at alone for

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 3>your first property. A very good friend of mine looked

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<v Speaker 3>me in the eyebromwin and said, like I have traditionally

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>voted this way. The person who actually comes up with

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of how my kids can buy a house

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.879
<v Speaker 3>is the one I'm going to vote for. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if this is the idea or this is the

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 3>silver bullet, or this is the solution.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you think of the idea?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, there's no doubt about it that hexs deck does

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 13>create a difficulty with banks with lending policies. And I

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 13>think the comment that I read today that said only

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 13>which people can get alone does tell me there's something

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 13>fundamentally wrong with the way the test is. At the

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 13>moment when interest roates were very low and there was

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 13>a three percent built in to make sure he could

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 13>repay that, that sort of brought it up to the

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 13>rate that people thought was okay. But there on top

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 13>of what's happening now makes it almost impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Steven, let's talk about our old mate, Matt Kean.

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<v Speaker 3>So he of course has been given a position effectively

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 3>to help the federal government set it's climate targets, and

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.439
<v Speaker 3>then he's also taken another job in a finance firm

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 3>that of course would be heavily involved in many of

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 3>the businesses that would be at the very least very

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 3>interested in what some of those targets may will be

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 3>to me, you can't be what is it a poacher

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:39.919
<v Speaker 3>and gamekeeper?

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>He thinks he can. What do you think.

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<v Speaker 12>I think he's going to spend a lot of time

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 12>sitting outside the room when it comes to decisions.

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Which I share.

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, about a lot of time sitting out in the

0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 12>coffee room. I think this will be a challenging one

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 12>for him to sustain. I think I've got no issue

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 12>with either of the two positions. I think combining the

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 12>two makes it a challenge to be in the statutory

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 12>role that he has, and I think he needs to

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 12>have a think about which direction he wants to go.

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>It is very challenging to mix.

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 12>The public and private sector where they overlap so much.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 12>But I know Brommin's a fan of Matt Keane. She's

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<v Speaker 12>probably voted for him once in a ballot. But I'm

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 12>interesting what Bromin thinks.

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 2>But what do you think?

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 12>You're no fan of Malcolm Turnbop, but you're still voting

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 12>for him, So that doesn't mean you didn't vote.

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<v Speaker 13>The assumption you're making, Steven, you.

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Make it up all the time.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, what do you I think The bottom line is

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 13>this that we talk a lot in politics about the

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 13>pub test, don't we it doesn't pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 13>And if you look more deeply into some of the

0:39:56.400 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 13>articles that have been written, his job is to oversee

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 13>how the the credit system works for big firms to

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<v Speaker 13>buy and sell and make money. The problem with this

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 13>whole system is that the big investors in Walami, which

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 13>is the company concerned, are there to make money, as

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 13>they should be, and Matt Kean is advising them on

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 13>how to help them do that. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 13>it's in his purview to be making decisions on just

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:33.800
<v Speaker 13>what's allowed.

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But again, we're all supposed to make money, you know.

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<v Speaker 13>And to say that you have the Chinese War, you

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.439
<v Speaker 13>can recuse yourself every out in the tea room. As

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 13>Stephen just said, it just doesn't wash.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:48.839
<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't wash. I got to go because Meg

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>and Kelly standing by.

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, bro when thank you Steven always

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 3>here to help catch a scooter while you can, mate.

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm sad they're gone, all right. Megan Kelly's next.

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:03.640
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0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.880
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0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.839
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<v Speaker 2>Megan, Hello, my.

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 10>Friend, it's great to see you.

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Paul.

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, I like you.

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 3>I am so frustrated and angry at watching the people

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>who are supposed to be the representatives of the citizens

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 3>in the system i e. The media, and they are

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 3>just carrying Kamala Harris's water. They are parting the Red

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Sea for her, they are redirecting rivers for her, and

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:52.439
<v Speaker 3>it exposes everything that's wrong about them, and we could

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 3>talk about that for an hour.

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>But it's working.

0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's the problem. I mean, it's only August. Trump's

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 8>still got time, but we may be witnessing the collapse

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 8>of this election for him.

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>And it is largely media driven.

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 8>It's an AstroTurf personality that they have created in Kamala Harris,

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 8>and the voters who are going about living their own lives,

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 8>not worrying about media coverage and bias are buying it.

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 8>They're like, oh, we didn't really like Trump and we

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 8>didn't like Biden and we've been given a new third option,

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 8>and she seems kind of nice.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, let's go for that.

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 8>We don't really blame her for the economy or the border,

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 8>like vice president, what do they do.

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 1>It's ceremonial.

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 10>She seems nice enough and she's not two hundred, so

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:42.919
<v Speaker 10>we'll vote for her.

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 8>That's what's happening in any controversy that comes up around

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 8>her her background.

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 10>Tim Waltz, his background gets a.

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:54.280
<v Speaker 8>Ignored or b completely excused, and we all get gas

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 8>lit on it. And look, this is not the first

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 8>election cycle in which they've done this, but this the

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 8>depth of the cynicism has surprised even me. I actually

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 8>did not expect them to be this bad. I've never

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 8>seen it this bad. And now the polls are dramatically

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 8>shifting away from Trump.

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 3>But we have to take a second to say, something's

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 3>really broken that somebody is able to seemingly get away

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.720
<v Speaker 3>with not being held to account for anything in their past.

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 8>You know, I think about it a lot because I

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 8>have to distinguish between me the individual and me the journalist.

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 8>As a journalist and a commentator, it's not my job

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 8>to shift an election or to try to swing an election.

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 1>One way or another. But as a.

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 8>Human it's incredibly frustrating to watch the media gang up

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 8>on one side, run cover for the other, and then

0:43:55.360 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 8>still cloak themselves in nobility. You know, we're we're the gatekeeper,

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 8>We're the fact checkers. We are the ones who will

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 8>fight misinformation while they mislead my fellow Americans every day.

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 8>So I get incredibly angry that the side I think

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.240
<v Speaker 8>is reasonable and will restore order here in the United

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 8>States is so far from getting a fair shake, that

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 8>they're getting completely twisted and turned and lambasted by this media,

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 8>these media enablers every day, which is not their job.

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 8>And then I have to remind myself that my job

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 8>as a member of the media is not to try

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 8>to persuade people to go the other way. It's just

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:38.240
<v Speaker 8>to stay in the factual realm and tell the stories

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 8>that others won't tell, and stay factual, notwithstanding the enormous

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 8>gas lighting we're getting and blowback.

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 1>You know how it is always.

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 8>Before the election as a member of the media, if

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.399
<v Speaker 8>you don't go along with it the party line, they

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 8>start attacking you too.

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 10>But it's all on steroids this year. It's on steroids.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 10>This year because they they're back from the dead, bidens out.

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Kama's in. There's enthusiasm for her, and they.

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 8>Just know if they could just check their ethics for

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 8>another two and a half months, they could have this.

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>They can have what they want.

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 8>They could have all of their leftist policies, they could

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 8>have abortion on demand, they could have a black woman

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 8>in the office, take down Trump. It's every leftist fantasy.

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 10>It's like, if I just check.

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 8>My ethics for a few more months, I have what

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 8>I want. And to me, it's just it makes me

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 8>boil inside, right, it makes me boil. Well, it's not

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 8>the first time it's happened, you know, it's Trump got

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 8>it so bad in sixteen. I keep reminding myself it's

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 8>not insurmountable. He could still overcome this.

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I know that they is.

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 3>We all know that there's a huge consequence whichever way

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>this thing goes. Right now, those of us have a

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 3>certain worldview that you know, way share. Believe there's a

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.799
<v Speaker 3>right path and a wrong path. The consequences for going

0:45:56.840 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 3>down the wrong path is colossal changes that I reversible

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:05.439
<v Speaker 3>that you know, take your pick on any type of issue. Right,

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 3>He's got an advantage on social media where on all

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 3>bar TikTok there are more people that are following him

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 3>than her. He has the capacity to, in my view,

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 3>to a rally during the day in a town hall

0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.359
<v Speaker 3>at night which is only covered not by CNN but

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 3>by locals. He's got ways to be able to go

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 3>around them, but he doesn't seem to. Now, you know,

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:28.959
<v Speaker 3>do you think he's just waiting or do you think

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 3>the reality is that he is eight years older than

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 3>when he was hungry, and he isn't fighting the way

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 3>that somebody who's got it roll on the line should

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 3>be fighting.

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 8>He's out there, but he doesn't have message discipline, and

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 8>every opportunity he gets, whether it's the press or he

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 8>held on Friday or the event with elon last night, he's.

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 10>Long winded, rambling and kind of fuzzy. It's like, what

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 10>is he seeing? It's taking so.

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 8>Long to make a point that should take him two

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 8>sentences to make, and I'm losing interest and I'm kind

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 8>of bored and this isn't worth it. You know. There

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 8>are more and more reports of people, even at his

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.240
<v Speaker 8>rallies which go on forever.

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 10>Walking out, leaving early.

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 8>They love Trump, They're going to vote for Trump, but

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 8>they're not entertained by him in the way they used

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 8>to be, and he is getting And I'm sorry this

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.760
<v Speaker 8>may sound cruel, but it's my observation a little more

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 8>like your elderly grandparent or parent who rambles on too long,

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:33.880
<v Speaker 8>and you're kind of like.

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 10>All right, wrap it up, you know, like I don't

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 10>have all day to listen to this.

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 8>Make a point, Start with a like a thesis, and

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 8>then your little bit should have a crescendo and a

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 8>decrescendo and land at some point. Instead, we're getting these

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.240
<v Speaker 8>long stream of consciousness things that are hard to follow

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 8>and not fun to listen to, and it's it doesn't

0:47:55.680 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 8>help messaging, and it doesn't help inspiration. Right like all

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.399
<v Speaker 8>the Harris for all that we're ripping on her four

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 8>she's doing a.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 10>Good job of getting into these rallies.

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.280
<v Speaker 8>Sticking to the script that was written for her, saying

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 8>banal but slightly inspirational things like we're not going back.

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 1>When we stick together, we win. People like that. It's working.

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 8>It sticks in people's heads. She's on message and Trump isn't.

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:26.919
<v Speaker 8>And you know, it's the old how do you solve

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.919
<v Speaker 8>a problem like Maria? You know, except in this case

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 8>he's Maria.

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>How do you solve this problem.

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 8>Of a seventy eight year old, you know, businessman like

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 8>Trump to get him on message. He feels like he

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 8>has the right to say what he wants, and he

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:42.320
<v Speaker 8>feels like he knows better, and he's got a history

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 8>that tells him he does. But what happens when that

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 8>history doesn't match the present day reality of the world

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 8>and of you.