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Speaker 1: Brave and Asta needs no introduction. Well straight talking mate.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a not to be on. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: I'm of yours mate. I've been watching on Telly for

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Speaker 1: long enough and watching on the footy field for long

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Speaker 1: enough too. It's been a long time coming, mate.

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Speaker 2: Has it going It's gone good. I'm busy, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm at a point where I've found

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Speaker 2: a good balance between Fox and the management and even

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Speaker 2: just did my taes in the podcast based a little

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Speaker 2: bit too, but took the kids to the Gold Coast

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Speaker 2: on the weekend because.

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Speaker 1: It's I saw photos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we start in Vegas launch in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: I thought I'll go to a little family vakay, just

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Speaker 2: the Goldie bed with the girls before it gets crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, your your footy life has been sort of crazy.

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's always been not controversy, but sort

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Speaker 1: of volatility around your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has.

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Speaker 1: I mean ever since I've known you, Like when you're

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Speaker 1: playing footy with the dogs and it came the roosters

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Speaker 1: when you play with us. I mean there was always

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Speaker 1: people having a crack at the South game. When someone

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Speaker 1: watch on the gin.

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Speaker 2: He got you good.

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Speaker 1: But there's always been something about Breath, and that's I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is, and I do want to

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Speaker 1: dig into it a little bit, if you don't mind,

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Speaker 1: and I have to declever. And like, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: great fan of breath of a mate of brace. So like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've been friends for a long time and

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Speaker 1: he and I share a lot of common friendships for

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Speaker 1: their blokes, not just because of his rooster's years, but

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Speaker 1: just generally speaking. And you know, we have similar sort

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Speaker 1: of heritage background as well, so been Greek helps the

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Speaker 1: other we have to. But let me just go back

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Speaker 1: a bit. Where'd you grow up? Which area?

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Speaker 2: Grew up in Malabar, yep. Which was a great place

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Speaker 2: to grow up, so I mean I was there pretty

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Speaker 2: much majority of my childhood. My dad, who's Greek, he

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Speaker 2: built a house in Victoria Street in Malabar and he,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's quite that was quite successful. Actually on

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Speaker 2: the back of the golf course that was where I

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Speaker 2: got to. We got to next, which was a beautiful spot.

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Speaker 2: That's where my love of golf comes from as well,

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Speaker 2: because literally I jumped the fence and we're on round

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Speaker 2: with golf course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we grew up in Maliba and you were

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He got a brother, Damon, and that's it. And

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Speaker 2: my mum Kim. So we we grew up in a

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Speaker 2: in a very normal sort of childhood and Dad was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Dad was he was just a go getter. He had

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Speaker 2: a penalty shop which he just worked in. Then he

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Speaker 2: ran it, and then he bought it and did pretty

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Speaker 2: well for himself. And then he got into the restaurant game,

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Speaker 2: which wasn't good. That was kind of his undoing.

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Speaker 1: What restaurant was in It's actually called.

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Speaker 2: The boat Shed. Now a lot of people would know it.

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Speaker 2: It was always the boat Shed, but seafood restaurant on

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Speaker 2: the water at Larparouse.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty good, as I recall, great spot, great spot, I.

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Speaker 2: Think you've been down. Yeah. And when he he actually

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Speaker 2: he passed away, committed suicide, which we might talk about it,

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Speaker 2: but he After that, my mum ran it for quite

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Speaker 2: a while. We were in experience. I tried to run

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Speaker 2: a post rugby league career and we actually built the

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Speaker 2: deck down there. But now it's actually been taken over

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Speaker 2: from the guys the Greeks down at the Fish Markets

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Speaker 2: who were doing a great job with it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: We're watching over it. How meant your dad was a

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Speaker 1: big influence on you in your life?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Huge? And he was my hero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah do you love his footing?

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Speaker 2: Loved it?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: He played one first grade game for so did he? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He was tough, not much skill, so I must

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Speaker 2: have got that from mum. But he was a huge

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Speaker 2: because you know, he's work ethic instilled in me. And

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Speaker 2: I played every sport, He took me to every carnival

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Speaker 1: Now, what about growing up? Where'd you go to school?

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Speaker 2: I went to school at St. Andrews and then Natural

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Speaker 2: Natural Soldier Settlement because the sport was better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he went through a year at Marceline College.

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Speaker 1: We went through your twelve twelve, so all this time,

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Speaker 1: the whole time, you like a big kid, like what

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Speaker 2: I was a pretty big kid for my age for sure,

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Speaker 2: you know. I played high level cricket. I was sort

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Speaker 2: I had the best batting average in New South Wales

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Speaker 2: at age fifteen, wow, and played golf as well. Was

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Speaker 2: mean I was traveling, playing a lot of golf too,

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Speaker 2: I was playing four sports like rugby union, the same

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Speaker 2: one I was going to try and make it in.

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Speaker 2: These Well, for sure, there was no way I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to make a career out of it.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be my life.

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Speaker 2: That's it. And it was just which one do I do?

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Speaker 2: Like I know it sounds probably a bit arrogant and confident,

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Speaker 2: It's always been that way for me, Like it's just

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Speaker 1: So did you play did you go through the usual

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Speaker 2: So I was in all those teams and playing for

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Speaker 2: But there was a real pivotal moment because I was

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Speaker 2: When my dad died when I was fifteen too, and

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Speaker 2: when he died it was a huge shocker, left a

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Speaker 2: We've had an injury at fullback. We need someone to

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Speaker 2: do I just push that to a side and go

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Speaker 2: take on rugby league. And I decided to go play.

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Speaker 2: We ended up winning the SG Ball Grand Final for

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Speaker 2: if they've won it since. But that was a big

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Speaker 2: and that's when I started making all the rep teams

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Speaker 2: to put me in a position where Ugby League was

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Speaker 1: What was your mum's role in all this stuff? I

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Speaker 1: post your dad's passing.

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Speaker 2: Huge, huge, I mean she's everything. Well, she was my

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Speaker 2: dad when for sure thirteen at JJ Carle she had

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Speaker 2: no other boyfriends, and you know at forty one years

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Speaker 2: So she was years one. Spins me out because I'm

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Speaker 2: forty four now, Wow. I remember when I turned forty one.

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Speaker 2: I was like wow, because I thought he was old then,

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Speaker 1: An old When you're fifteen, someone's forty one, they're ancient.

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Speaker 2: It hit me, It actually hit me the hardest when

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Speaker 2: I was forty one because I was like I couldn't

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't put all the thought process. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can, can you imagine? I mean I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but like I'm not a full kids. You've got kids,

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Speaker 1: Like like the process of the thinking you'd have to

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Speaker 1: go through before you made the decision to take your life,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to be in a pretty seriously bad spot, like,

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Speaker 2: And I always had resembled when it first happened for

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Speaker 1: Did you did you thought you took the easy way out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, for sure, Like I thought, how could you

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Speaker 2: leave us? Like how did you do that?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to own a counseling or something?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the whole family did. And then i'd see

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Speaker 2: someone one on one. And actually it's years later when

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Speaker 2: I was struggling a bit with life, football pressures, relationships,

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Speaker 2: I actually went back and saw her name was Lisa,

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Speaker 2: and because she knew what I'd been through then, and

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Speaker 2: i'd be spoken then through such a difficult time, and

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Speaker 2: she got me through it. It was actually a connection

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Speaker 2: that I built with this lady that was pretty amazing,

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Speaker 2: to be fair, And even now I could bounce things

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Speaker 2: off if I needed to, But yeah, I needed it,

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Speaker 2: and but I pushed it aside for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They did it just pretend it didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Pretend didn't happen. I played a golf tournament two days.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a couple of days after I

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Speaker 2: went to the state championships and my uncle carriage.

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Speaker 1: For me, you know, like I just went your day's

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Speaker 1: brother was my mum's brother's brother, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did the family like was it because he's Greek? So like,

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Speaker 1: is it a close Greek family? Did they also rally

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Speaker 1: This is about the restaurant.

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Speaker 2: It was, and it just consumed him, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Who was Do you think it was the prospect of

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Speaker 2: I think it's like, you know, you've worked your ass

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Speaker 2: You know, like there's so many stories of guys that

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Speaker 2: at four point thirty in the morning when there's just

440
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 2: silence and you've got time to yourself and you go

441
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 2: and train, sweat it out, feel good, go get a coffee,

442
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 2: you talk to a few of the boys whoever you're

443
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 2: training with like that. To me, is is a big

444
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 2: step too, is a big.

445
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 1: No agendas, no agendas. Everybody's just they're doing the same thing,

446
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,959
Speaker 1: just talking. Yeah, you're talking shit and hanging out. You

447
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: just need that sort of that those moments, I think,

448
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,479
Speaker 1: and I think mental health for a lot of us

449
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 1: is that we get too caught up in our job,

450
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and we forget about training. You're starting

451
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: to put weight on and start feel like a dog. Shit, Like,

452
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 1: you look terrible, you feel terrible. You're looking at your

453
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: other mates of training hard, especially these days of bloody

454
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: social media, everyone's looking great. You want to make you

455
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: want the worst. You make everybody feel bad. Yeah, it's

456
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 1: really unfair.

457
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: Break like you.

458
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: Already had an advantage before you've started, and now you

459
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: actually look better now. I think you look better now

460
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 1: than you did when you're younger. And he doesn't mind

461
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: putting up a photograph of himself. Oh my god, I

462
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: bet you do. But it doesn't matter because people just

463
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: I want to look like that. But but that whole

464
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: process today of knowing how you look, if you're if

465
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: you're on the good side of on the right side

466
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: of it, like where you are, that's great, that's gold.

467
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: If you're on the crappy side of it, it's no good.

468
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: It's a kind of snowball. Like if you're not looking

469
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: after yourself and you're not prioritizing your own health, fitness,

470
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 2: the way you look. If you're working long hours at work,

471
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: you're not seeing your kids or your missus and all that.

472
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: You get to a point where not only are you're

473
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: probably overweight, and you're not looking good, you're not feeling good,

474
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: you haven't seen your family. It probably leads to derailing

475
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: of your relationship. And then all of a sudden, you

476
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 2: know you're not in the best headspace, you're not looking good.

477
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: Any're single, you know, Like so you got to think

478
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: you're got to peel it all back and you all right, now,

479
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: I've got to I've got to find balance and routine

480
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: where I can get my fitness and if it is

481
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: waking up before wake up at four, yeah, get it in.

482
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, I've got to put time to my kids.

483
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: When's that going to be? And I'm going to put

484
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 2: time into my relationship Because the end of the day,

485
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: if you're not looking after yourself. You're not the best dad,

486
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: you're not the best partner, and it's probably going to

487
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: get worse.

488
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: It's for yourself too, that's right.

489
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: And then you end up in a place that you

490
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: don't want to be in. But we've got to look

491
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: in the mirror too as well, Like you've got to

492
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: look in the mirror and you've got to take action.

493
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: You know, this is an onus on yourself to take

494
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: care of yourself.

495
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know that people say that often say

496
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: to me, I works so many so hard somebody else

497
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: and I can't get a train, And I just say, well,

498
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: get up an hour earlier.

499
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: You always can.

500
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: Set your arm. I mean, I don't care if you've

501
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: got a bet eleven o'clock whatever. You might not get.

502
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, the new thing now is seven or eight

503
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: hours sleep, but you might not get that. But if

504
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to get that, you you at least

505
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: to an hour of exercise now. And by the way,

506
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: don't I don't cop that people can't do it. I've

507
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: got the injuries. We'll just go for walk.

508
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: You can always.

509
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn what it is. Just if

510
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: you're lower down your stuff lower down because you're bad

511
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: news or whatever. Do our body work.

512
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: You're always find.

513
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: Row you know, I don't know whatever, there's always an answer.

514
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: I reckon these people who are pitching up reasons why

515
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: they can't do things is because they actually want to

516
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: do it and they haven't realized importance of doing that stuff.

517
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: If I could just peel back, just so, just got

518
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: maybe a footy crea because that's one of the things

519
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: we have to talk about. And there's a couple of

520
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: games I want to talk to you about. You So

521
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: you played rep and what happened for in terms of grade.

522
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: So come through the grades. I'll quickly get there. We

523
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 2: was at the house that was the house peeling back

524
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: to the SG ball was there for a few years.

525
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: My uncle was the president of George Piggins and when

526
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: they got kicked out of the camp. There was a

527
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: ninety eight the war and I was one red eye,

528
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 2: one green eye. You know, I had no other choice.

529
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: You know, my family were just house. And because he

530
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: was my uncle, he said to me before anyone knew,

531
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: he said, listen, see house are gone. We are gone.

532
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to get you to get you out

533
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: of you yep. And then that's when he met with

534
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: punching Nelson the Bulldogs, and I was heading to Canterbury

535
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: Barry Nelson. I mean, I think the Roosters were interested then,

536
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: but he didn't tell me.

537
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: He didn't sell wonder why. Yeah, but by the way,

538
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: we were both fighting in the Super League war together

539
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: against the right. In fact, we fought against Canterbury. Yeah,

540
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: because January the first to jump.

541
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. So that's how I found my

542
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: way to the Bulldogs fast tracking again. Great time, great club.

543
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: We got Rookie of the Year. It was crazy the

544
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: first I mean I was nineteen, yeah, nineteen, It was

545
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: just incredibly. I remember the Northern Eagles game, which was

546
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: the big break out game for me. It was my

547
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: first real starting in the five eight I debuted the

548
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: year before and all my friends and family were there

549
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: and I kind of I think I took two or

550
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: three intercepts off Comawley and set up about two or

551
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: three try I scored one. It was crazy and I

552
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: was just a kid, and I remember the big thing

553
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: was the next morning I just went for breakfast then

554
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: couldjie like just thinking, I'll usually do that game for

555
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: Brecky And I was a back page of the Telegraph

556
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: and there was just like everyone was looking at me

557
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: because it was chairing nine game, you know, and I

558
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: was thinking, whoa, what's going on? Like it was an

559
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: unusual feeling, but it was like this is this is

560
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: a life changer. My life's not going to be the same.

561
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: It was kind of a moment. I'm like, okay, I

562
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: just thought, all right, young kid played footy Haggard was

563
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: that we got the win. Didn't think anything of it.

564
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: From that next day it was it was mayhem, pretty.

565
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Crazy and I cemented your.

566
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: Spot in the first round, the spot and then yeah, you.

567
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Know who's in the site around that period.

568
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: Around period well, there was a that period was even

569
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: the likes of Darren Brick, Great Farrell, Yeah, Brent Sherwin,

570
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: Nigel Wagner, hazard or.

571
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: Masri, one of the greatest kickers of all, Luke Patton.

572
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: And then over the next few years we had Roy Atasi,

573
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: Willie Mason really was there already, Sonny Bill Williams, Rennie

574
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Mattou is a great made of mine, and the list

575
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: goes on, some big names, big names, Mark O'Malley, yeah yeah,

576
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: and Willie told me came out like we we and

577
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: you know because in two thousand rivalry was Roosters. That

578
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: was it. That was two thousand and four, two thousand

579
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: and four.

580
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: That killed me that game.

581
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we killed us watching the win in two thousand

582
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: and two.

583
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: But I was I was sitting there. I was sitting

584
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: out there at the stadium at course stadiument of this

585
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: school those days.

586
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

587
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: And and Ricky was our coaches, and I remember people

588
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: yelling out to Ricky to change the bench towards the end.

589
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: I think Hodgo was on our on our bench, I think, right,

590
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: and which is but Sunny was, yeah, putting it in like.

591
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: But do you remember the last moment in that game

592
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: where Michael Krocher newly went through? That was it was

593
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: only a I think it was only a four or

594
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: five point ball game because it was it was thirteen seven.

595
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: I think it was a really unusual school. It was

596
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: a weird school. But anyway, Andrew Ryan just clicked his

597
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: just that was on the sign, just clipped his heels

598
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: or else Crocker was through and there could have been

599
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: a different result. But still the greatest memory for me

600
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: in my career.

601
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: That's grand final, oh for sure.

602
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: And even at the time, you know, you you think

603
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: it's going to happen. The next year and the year

604
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: after it just doesn't happen, you know, like it's it's

605
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: hard when in the premiersh is very hard. His panthers

606
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: might say.

607
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: Something, specially back to back. Yeah, so I've always mean.

608
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I remember on sitting with Kerry Pack and what I

609
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: think one of these used to always do is get

610
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: four more great players like Ronnie Coot and Arthur Beason,

611
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: various other players he's and even Jack I heard him

612
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: do this with Jack Gibson. He would say to them,

613
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: who is the toughest player ever play with? Who's the

614
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: most skilled player ever play with? You just asked those

615
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: as questions. And I've always wanted to ask someone like

616
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: you the same sort of question. And it doesn't have

617
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: to be someone on your own team. But you remember

618
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: that period two thousand and four, from two thousand through

619
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: the two thousand and four, who was some of the

620
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: really standout players that you remember, like someone you would

621
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: hate to run at? For example, Oh, Gordon Tallas, Gordon Tallis, Gordy.

622
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Gordy are always telling me I now work with him.

623
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: So Gordy was terrifying because he had those crazy eyes

624
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: and you watch him, you know, bashl she out of

625
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: Ben Ross.

626
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Remember that and Ben Ross, who was not a small

627
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: guy with a big guy.

628
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: And I'm a kid, okay, you know, like it's surreal.

629
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: You go from playing school boys, I'm literally playing from

630
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: Arsenal College ran week and a year later, I'm playing

631
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: against Gordon Tallas. Like wow, it's like crazy, and yeah, Gordy.

632
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: Even the guys, I mean, the guys that played with

633
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: Kay pulling out on those guys like damn, they're tough, tough,

634
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: tough guys, Mark Omill guys, but that Gordy was the

635
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: definitely one that stood out. Shane Webke, you know, they

636
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: were big back then as well. Me. Crocker was a

637
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: tough bastard. He did annoy the shit out of me.

638
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: He was He hated me, you know, like it was

639
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: his job that just killed me.

640
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he was playing like second row

641
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: or something.

642
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a grubby bruster.

643
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was grubby and aim up too.

644
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: He could aim up. Everybody was like he was putting

645
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: it on.

646
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah up.

647
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: The best player I ever played me then I say

648
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: it is Jerry Giants, Like I mean the two thousand

649
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: and five Origin Series where Maddie Bowen caught a Kamalai intercept.

650
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Game one. It's in court and I wasn't even in

651
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: the team at that point. Kamali got dropped and they

652
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: brought me in to play with Trent Barrett, and then

653
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: Trent went down days before the game and Joey came

654
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: in and I'd never experienced anything like it, Like it

655
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: was phenomenal, he would the game of rugby league to him,

656
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: it was like a game of chess. Like I was

657
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: on the field, but I felt like I wasn't. It

658
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: was an out of body experience because I'm playing in

659
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: the hards with this guy's uncurt and I'm watching him

660
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: just three or four steps of head ahead of everyone

661
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: else like he he He's the art of deception. For

662
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: Joey was was i'd say, his specialty. So if he

663
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: wasn't looking somewhere, that's where he was attacking. So he

664
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: kind of see where the weakness was and he'd send

665
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: a few a few plays there, go away from it,

666
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: send a few plays there, go away from it. But

667
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: the whole time he's trying to tie the one defender

668
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: out so that when he makes the shot makes the

669
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: play that guy can't get there, so he's just like

670
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: looking out to play in look Out playing, look out playing.

671
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: Then he would just go bang and him and Baderas

672
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: would just put on a play at that player who

673
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: they were just working over and over again, and he

674
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: couldn't he couldn't stop it. Like if he wanted to

675
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: get to an edge, he wouldn't look at the edge

676
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: he'd play in, so he'd kind of look at the

677
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: ruck and he'd tie the ruck over, tie the ruck over,

678
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the edge guys don't

679
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: think he's going to go there, so they tighten up.

680
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: And then with one of his cut out zing ball's bang,

681
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: he gets to a Matt King Gasnar Cooper and they've

682
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: just got time and space and they're over like and

683
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: his perfection. Like always say it with Joey and this

684
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: is good learning for anyone really in business or whatever

685
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: it may be. Joey was a larrikin at the back

686
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: of the bus with the bottle of jim bean, you know,

687
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: telling jokes and last last one out at night. But

688
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: I was this young kid in the holiday in or

689
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: Crown Plaza at Couljie and again knock on the door

690
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: at six am and we've been out the night before.

691
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm hungover, hungover as hell, and he guys, let's go

692
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: where we are? Guys, were only could you over? We're

693
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: doing extras. I'm like, okay, let's go. He's got the

694
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: cones out, ball on the hip, short long passes, footwork

695
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to look at this guy, you know,

696
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: and everything with intent. But but he was the Alaric

697
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: and but he behind the scenes, he was doing more

698
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: work than anyone else.

699
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: So he could follow through that well, he would follow through.

700
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: No worry about that. Like he was unbelievable and he's

701
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: in his work ethic, his attention to detail. But he

702
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: didn't want people to know that. It was like he

703
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: wanted us to see oppositions and other people and to think.

704
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: And he was just this rap bay, doesn't you know,

705
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: just rocks up and he's a genius. No, no, no,

706
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: there's a reason why he was. He was so good

707
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: at what he did and why he executed in big moments,

708
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: and that's because he'd done the work time and time

709
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: again and was a perfectionist.

710
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that he was a greater, a greater

711
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: strategist than he was a talent, you know. No, his

712
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: biggest maybe his biggest talent was not so much athletic,

713
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: but his biggest talent was his ability to strategize way

714
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: ahead of you question.

715
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: I think he was if he was very talented. But

716
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: if you if you ask me what I outweighed the other,

717
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: I would probably say his strategy and he's working ethic,

718
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, because but then he's It's a tough one

719
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: because he's talent. He was so talented, you know, But

720
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what he was like coming through the

721
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: grades and if he was the next, the next you know,

722
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: now he's an immortal. But was that was he the

723
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: biggest thing of his time at a young age. I'm

724
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: not sure. But he had it all. But in terms,

725
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: I've never seen better strategists. And like even that kick.

726
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: You remember the kick. Remember he did that kick where

727
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: he kicked it across his body and it hit the

728
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: upright and Anthony Minchello scored. He aimed for that upright

729
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: and he trained for that upright. He used to when

730
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: we do kicking, he would curve them. He'd want me

731
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: to curve the ball on its tip, so go from

732
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: inside out so he'd aim at the inside posts and

733
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: he wanted it to end up on the outside post.

734
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: So everyone who trained with him knew that. And if

735
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: it hits the post, even better because then the fullback

736
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: can't make a plane, you know, he can score off it.

737
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: And so he would aim for the post. That's what

738
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: he wanted to hit, you know, because it was a

739
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: disruption for all the fallback and the opposition, and it

740
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: would also give an advantage to the attacking team because

741
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: the ball, we don't know where the ball is going

742
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: to go out. So that's an example of him like

743
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: the intent of that's what he trying to No other

744
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: not many players were train to hit the upright. Think

745
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: that plant is not big. He hit that upright from

746
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: fifty meters out for that try with min like if

747
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: if you you do remember it when you saw it.

748
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember it. Yeah, I'm a sponsor at the

749
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: time I was there.

750
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that that was intentional, you know, Like that's

751
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: the type of detail and repetition that he put in

752
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: to make sure that he could execute and under like

753
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: we're talking about executing under pressure in the big moment.

754
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: Blit second thoughts, Yeah, Like that's the hardest part.

755
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would do that more often than anywhere else.

756
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: And you and you're also saying that he was planning

757
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: this stuff.

758
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Of course he was.

759
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, just waiting the opportunity for the plan to fit

760
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: in in place. Yes, what would you say to it,

761
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it.

762
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: Just look at Many and Many he knew because he'd

763
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: been they practiced it, and with me it was the same.

764
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Like he tells me, I'd stand thirty meters away because

765
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: sun Corps Stadium. In big games, you can't. As a half.

766
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: It's hard because you can't hear because the halves are

767
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: our job as a seven and six in rugby league

768
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: and even in rubby union. Whatever he is to get

769
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: the game plan on it and communicate, you can't hear

770
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: each other. Yea, he's too loud, so.

771
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: Loud the original crowd is mental.

772
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: In Queensland, you cannot hear the go next to you.

773
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: So that's why the training is so important, because you

774
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: need to know the game plan back to front with

775
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: your eyes closed when you're asleep, because when you're out there,

776
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: if you can't hear him, you've got to know what's

777
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: next without communicating it. So that's why it was important

778
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: being with someone like Joey. But yeah, his big thing

779
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: for me was like I would stand twenty or thirty

780
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: meters away from him and he would just it was

781
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: on a dime. The service you got it was just

782
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: like room service. You what to expect. Stand ten meters

783
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: back and I'm going to throw the ball about three

784
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: or four meters in front of her, so you're catching

785
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 2: it on the advantage line, and you're at full pace

786
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: when you get the ball, so you're already you're already

787
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: going to gain an extra two or three meters as

788
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: you catch it, and you're going to be at the

789
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: defense that on the back foot because you're running forward

790
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: like it's a different level. So I'm actually getting the

791
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: best out of me and probably the best I'd ever

792
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: play with him, because I'm getting the ball that speed,

793
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: big body, and on the run at the advantage line,

794
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: more time to throw a pass if I need to,

795
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: or see whether where the opposition is vulnerable, or even

796
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: just runing myself. But they're just little details. Again, that

797
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: is just as a five eight and your half back's

798
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: doing that, you're already ahead of the game.

799
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Would you say he's the greatest half back of all time.

800
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: I do think he yes, I.

801
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: Know that you're played with but just a bit bias.

802
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: But I experienced it, and I think anyone who's ever

803
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: experienced it and played with Andrew Johns would agree. I

804
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: don't think there would be anyone who wouldn't. There was

805
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: always that JT I played with, and you know, even

806
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: some of the Bulldogs boys would go JT. And I'm

807
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: sure Cowboys players would too, right exactly, But me seeing

808
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: both close up, if j T was only young when

809
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: he was with me, you know he was a phenomenon.

810
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: But Joey I just thought it was just in the

811
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: leg of his own.

812
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you have exposure to his brother Maddie now.

813
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: But and I don't know what most people don't know this,

814
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: but Maddi's one of the smartest bokes I'm not joking

815
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: intellectually that you'll ever meet. Like his ability to retain

816
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: information and then regurgitated something he might have done in

817
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: the nineties and then bring it up names, places, music,

818
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: song beat, words like history. It's mental.

819
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: It is mental. And I'm jealous because I've got the

820
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: worst memory ever.

821
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: Is like he reads a lot, yeah, but he retains it.

822
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: He retains it and then he can regurgitate it down

823
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: the track like and people just say, oh, he's a

824
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: muck around a bit like Joey. There there always stuffing around,

825
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, like a dreaming bit of a laugh.

826
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: It's very similar in that regard. That's why, because I

827
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: look at Maddie and he he's a mentor to me.

828
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: Both of them mentors to me in different ways, you know,

829
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: Like what Maddy has been able to achieve in in

830
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 2: the media as a TV host, X player and face

831
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: of Fox League. He's monumental. It's not it's not easy

832
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: to do it. Chelle and I did the same. It's

833
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 2: not easy to do it, really isn't. There's not many

834
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: X Rugby League players that can do that. So he

835
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: set the bar very high. And Matt that's always a

836
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: great storyteller too, because his ability to retain information and

837
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: then deliver it in the way he delivers on on

838
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: TV and even when you're with him just like we

839
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: would be one on one. He's pretty special.

840
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Have you learned stuff from Maddie in that regard and

841
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: relationship of your own TV career?

842
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matti's very different. I mean that he's funny, you know,

843
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not much of a funny guy. You know,

844
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: you play your strengths right, But in terms of knowing

845
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: when he's delivery, he's very relaxed. You know, he doesn't

846
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: play it. He doesn't read this grip too often. Even

847
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: on you'll see on the Matey John Show there's a

848
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 2: script that he barely looks at it, you know, because

849
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: he's done the preparation, he's done the work, he's kept

850
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: the information here clear in his mind. And when you

851
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: do that, then you can deliver it and naturally deliver

852
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: it like you're not trying, and you can tell give

853
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: good information, tell good stories, and captivate the audience.

854
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: So what have you learned from that then? Because I

855
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: know Matte is that right there in the same chair,

856
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: and he told me that before he preps heavy Yes

857
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: for his show.

858
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 2: That's what I've learned.

859
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: And he sits down at his desk and he writes

860
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: stuff down and takes copious notes and reviews videos. And

861
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: so did you learn that from him?

862
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not a coincidence that likes of Joey and

863
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Maddy are very successful, you know, because they do the work,

864
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: They do the preparation. Matti's very similar and he's in

865
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: the way he prepares is that he'll have a few

866
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: drinks before he goes on. He'll laugh with the guys

867
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: that are about to go on in the green room,

868
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: and they just think he's rocked up and done.

869
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: No prep right, people think about Joey.

870
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They're very similar, you know, in

871
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: different ways, similar ways, but not.

872
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: Trying to be deceitful.

873
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: But no.

874
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: But but they don't show you what's really going on.

875
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: That's right, and then you.

876
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: And then then you hear it or you see it

877
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: and you go, whoah, wow, look it's that. It's that

878
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: wow fact that.

879
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Well they become up. He must be a genius because

880
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: you just invented all this on the spot. A natural

881
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: factor's done the work that's right behind the scenes, which.

882
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: Is something you learn like and I take that into

883
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 2: my show because I do the same bit. Like I'll

884
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: do all the like, I'll ring every journal, I'll have

885
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: everything on every player, every age, and every coach, and

886
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: I'll hold it up my sleeve and I'll go in

887
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: before a show and the journals will all be there

888
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: and they go, what do you got first tonight? Break?

889
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: And I'll go nothing. I don't know. I play dumb

890
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 2: because I want to get out there and I want

891
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: them to try and fire a bullet me and I've

892
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: got I've got a bazoos. I'm ready back, Like that's

893
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: that's because I want to I want that shock appeal.

894
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: I want them to go and then how they're going

895
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: to react to that. It's better TV. Right then it

896
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: turns into a bit of a you know, then I've

897
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: got my ducks in a row and they've thought they're

898
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: out theirs, but I might trumpe with something they didn't

899
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: know I had.

900
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: That's a great role of a host, which is what

901
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: you do? You host that show and all three sixty like,

902
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: that's that's the role of a host. And that's a

903
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: proper role. That's a proper host, hot role. What you're doing.

904
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: Where'd you learn that?

905
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: I've learned that a lot myself, Like I kind of

906
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: got through. I've always wanted to be a host, and

907
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: I you know, i'd prepare. You know, it sounds a

908
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: bit weird, but even at home, I would do the hallo,

909
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 2: I'm welcome and start a show before I was even

910
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: a host, because I wanted, you know, it was something

911
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: I dreamt to doing. Like I was obsessed with journo's

912
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: and you know Peter Ovid and Tony Henderson, Kenny Suckliffe,

913
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: they release like Sandra Sally, you know who Rimming, Hugh Rymington, Like,

914
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: I was unusually obsessed with reporters and hosts, and I'm

915
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: fascinated by how they would deliver it. You know, when

916
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: the bright lights come on and be so smooth and

917
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: so charismatic and natural. Natural, you know, because it's when

918
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: you're sitting in front of a camera and it's like

919
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: three two one live. You know it's on, it's live.

920
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: You can't blink, you can't.

921
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I yeah, I kind of learned from people.

922
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: I sat next to von Sampson, James Brace. I worked

923
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: with James a long time ago when he was starting

924
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: at Sky Sky. Vonnie I'd go and get notes off

925
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: and talk to her. Legend, legend, she's the best, right.

926
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: But what I did learn from Vonnie was a good

927
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: example because I was doing my first hosting out at

928
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: a course stadium and I'm like, Vonnie is the best.

929
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: I want to learn from Vonnie. So I sat with

930
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: her for an hour or two down at Pavillan could

931
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: you beavian. She gave me all the information. You know,

932
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: I write notes, so she was she's a note you know,

933
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: write and make sure that's what she's heavily prepared, but

934
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: a lot based on notes. And I'm like, okay, okay,

935
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: So she's telling me what she does. So I just

936
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: tried to replicate that. So I'd write all these notes

937
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: and all these pieces of paper and I get to

938
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: the ground and I'm like looking at all these notes

939
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: and you know, you're live on TV with the notes

940
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: in your hand, and I'm remember I remember just like

941
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: the three two one. I'm like, fuck, like where do

942
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: I start. I'm looking at the notes, trying to look

943
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: at the camera, and I was just a mess. Absolutely,

944
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: it didn't work for me. You know, that was a

945
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: few years before, and that's probably why I never thought

946
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: i'd host, because I'd never got a gig. For a

947
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: while after that, I was rad on producer. I cooked

948
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: it all right. I was the producer's screaming at me,

949
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: I've got to get to an ad throw to him.

950
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Someone's I'm like, it's all in. You're experiencing all this.

951
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: The mouse is going. And I realized after that that

952
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: what works for someone doesn't always work for the other.

953
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, I'm not doing that ever. Again,

954
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: I do the notes, but I don't take the notes

955
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: with me. I'll have points and then I because I

956
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 2: want it to be natural, and I hit those points,

957
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: but I go off into my own because I've done

958
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: the work. I know when I'm going to talk about

959
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: what I want to hit the questions I'm going to ask.

960
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: And now it's just second nature. But she still doesn't

961
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: her wave Oni, and it's amazing, you know, but it's

962
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: And again that was something I really learned, like just

963
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: because they do it one way, it doesn't mean that

964
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: it's going to work for you doing it that way,

965
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: you know. And it was a real eye had on

966
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: it for me.

967
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: I made many years ago and Tony Robins, you know,

968
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: the speaker asked me to do a talk in Sydney

969
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: at the Casino and I never don talk before and

970
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: he asked him come to do a talk about it. I

971
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: can't remember worse borrowing money or something, but whatever it was,

972
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: it's a long time ago, and I thought, well, I

973
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: could get prepared for this. And I'd never been to

974
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: a Tony Robins event, so so I had you know

975
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: those little cards. I'm talking about twenty years ago, those

976
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: of little cards, and you can hid cardbookers. You can

977
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: have like see a dozen of them.

978
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: So I wrote.

979
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: I put it into twelve segments. My talk. Each page

980
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: was all alternately. It was about that thick and I

981
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: had in my hand. And when I got there at

982
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: the back of the stage, behind the curtain, he was

983
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: on stage and like the crowd was going mentally there's

984
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: like a thousand people there at the casino that are

985
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: on top of the chairs and clapping, and he had

986
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: him in like worked him up in a frenzy. And

987
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: the guy and I go, my god, what was going on?

988
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: There's cameras everywhere, big screens. And the guy said to me,

989
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: he said, mate, not not him, but the manager of

990
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: the stage. And he said, there's window up there to

991
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: get everyone to shut up. You've got to walk out

992
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: and go whoa like that, and there's some sort of

993
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: thing you got to do, like to do everywhere. So

994
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: I what the hell? So I got there to do it,

995
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't believe it. All my notes flow out

996
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: everywhere all over the stage, and like you, I learned

997
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: a very bitter lesson.

998
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: Lucky.

999
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: I remember it because they were my notes. But still,

1000
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: like that threw me off so bad. It's it's quite

1001
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: a it's quite a I mean, I'm relaxing these days,

1002
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: but it's quite a thing to talk either to a

1003
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: camera live or to talk to a crowd live.

1004
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: I find a very different.

1005
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're different.

1006
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: Don't you actually feel more comfortable in front of a camera.

1007
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: I'm more uncomfortable front of the crowd.

1008
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because I'm not seeing the face.

1009
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah this I like seeing the face because I can

1010
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: see the reaction. Yeah, I know where I'm going, or

1011
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: i might be on the wrong direction. I just switch

1012
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: it up a bit.

1013
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm like I could have five and a

1014
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: thousand people watching our coverage and I feel like I've

1015
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: got no one. Yeah. I love that, Like I love

1016
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: that freedom and just kind of talking. Like I'm with

1017
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: the guys at the pub and at my house watching

1018
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: a game of footy, Whereas if I'm staring at that

1019
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 2: I can see their faces looking at me. For some reason,

1020
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: I find a little bit more uncomfortable. You know, it

1021
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: could be one hundred people, and I'm more comfortable in

1022
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: front of five hundred thousand in front of camera. But

1023
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: then when they're actually looking at you, they've had a

1024
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: few beers and you're getting.

1025
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: The comments anything, and they're bored.

1026
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah are they bored? Am I entertaining? Are they laughing?

1027
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: Do they am I interested? You know like that, Whereas

1028
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: if you've got to you're down the barrel on fox

1029
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: or whatever, you're not really thinking about that, you know.

1030
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know the worst thing for me that

1031
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: I looked in the crowd and I was separated the time,

1032
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: and I saw my father in law city in the crowd.

1033
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look away through And then someone told

1034
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: me just on purpose, I thought, I know, like look

1035
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: at the back, look at the back, don't look down again.

1036
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: And of course, like I felt like he was like

1037
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: staring at me. Missus No, no, no, she wasn't there, but

1038
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: like my father in law is probably worse. But yeah, anyway,

1039
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: so he just came back a little bit because I

1040
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: just want to go on the footy creer a little

1041
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: bit tough. So he left Canterbury and tell everybody, well,

1042
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: went off.

1043
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a big one. So I was very

1044
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: happy at Canterbury, to be fair, and we had quite

1045
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: a lot of success and then we got to a

1046
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: point there where we had so many great players there

1047
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: it was just impossible to keep them all. And did

1048
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: you have a manager, Yes, yes I did. I had

1049
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: my accountant, Greg Willer was my manager. I never really

1050
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: had a proper manager. He was like he had his creditation,

1051
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: but he was more just a bit of an advisor.

1052
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: And he's still on my accounting today. But which is

1053
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: interesting now that I've turned into one myself. But at

1054
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: the time, Malcolm no just come in, and.

1055
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Malcolm came into the bosses at the Bulldogs because he

1056
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: wasn't Malcolm wasn't there really one stake, I'm not sure.

1057
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: And Willie Mason and Sonny were off contract at a

1058
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: similar time, and will he you know, he won the

1059
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: Clive Churchill will he was prime and Sonny was Sonny right,

1060
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: And so to keep them too, they couldn't offer me

1061
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: a contract. A lot of people don't know that at

1062
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: the time because the club never tell right. They don't

1063
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: want people to know that they're not offering me a

1064
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: contract because it looks bad because I was happy. They're

1065
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: doing well there and popular with the fans at the time,

1066
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: so they painting a picture like you're just walking out

1067
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: on the joint and it happens, I get it right.

1068
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: The older you get you realize that's the way the

1069
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: business works. But then so they kept them and then

1070
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: I was off, so I had a chance to go.

1071
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: Actually was talking to you and Mackenzie. The Warritars, sau

1072
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: Sidney Rabbits were and Melbourne Storm, but the sou Syney

1073
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: and the Roosters were the big one rivals. And of

1074
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: course I left to go to the Bulldogs because see

1075
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: us to kick you out of the camp they alreadinstated.

1076
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: But I was still early, very early doors. And I'd

1077
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: formed a relationship with Ricky Stewart through the Origin series

1078
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: that we spoke about with Joey, and I love working

1079
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: with Ricky, and I thought, you know, the Roosters was

1080
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 2: a great club obviously rivals of me at the time,

1081
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: but also SEUs and Roosters, you know, they hate each other.

1082
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: They still do now. And my uncle he had no

1083
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: say over this one, and he took me to the Bulldogs,

1084
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: but he was he wanted me at Sous. But I

1085
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: was like kind of at a period where and it's

1086
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: all sliding doors movements. When we make decisions in life,

1087
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: there's a lot of circumstances around those decisions, and there

1088
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: was a lot around this. It wasn't as simple as

1089
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: the you know, the Susini junior uncle president me my

1090
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: uncle president of Sausini Rabbits returning home like that. That's

1091
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: a beautiful story and one that I probably you know,

1092
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: to be fair and honest, I wanted that like that

1093
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: was something that would have been very special to dream.

1094
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: It was a dream that was my dream as a

1095
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: kid and my dad right, Like my dad would have

1096
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: loved that as well. But you know, just coming off

1097
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 2: an Origin series win to me at the time, thinking

1098
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm in my prime here, this is, this is an opportunity.

1099
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to knock back on to the roosters with

1100
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: the Origin coach, you know, a great roster. Freddie's just retired.

1101
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm sort of filling the boots of was there love

1102
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: Moz talk about tough bastards going back. My god, he

1103
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: was terrifying. So it was it was a brutal decision

1104
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: to make, like he was so hard. My uncle's ringing me.

1105
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: Shane Richardson at the time. It was a CEO that

1106
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: house the house, and then I had Nick Politis, who

1107
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if we were at the

1108
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: dinner and we went to dinner down to James Packer's

1109
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: joined you were there? Were you that did that was

1110
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: a good ploy by the way. I mean here I

1111
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: am on Bondo Beach at James is beautiful Pennhouse whatever.

1112
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: It was four level joints.

1113
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: I've got Mark Burris, Dave Gindel and Nick Polyiitis James

1114
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: Packer there, you know, and I'm a big dreamer and

1115
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, you know, obviously connections as well and where

1116
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: this could take me. And you know, these guys are

1117
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: very successful and you know, they know what success looks like,

1118
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: feels like, and so it was a big power play.

1119
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: So that's that's what I mean. I landed there. That

1120
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: was my decision, and it didn't go down well at all.

1121
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: It was it was it was bad. You know, it

1122
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: was probably the hardest time of having my.

1123
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: Lot of controversy and a lot of people having a

1124
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: crack a chair.

1125
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: And at the top of the podcast, you said, you've

1126
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: had a lot. You feel like you've been you know,

1127
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: you've had a lot of moments of you know, good

1128
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: and bad controversy.

1129
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: And drama headliners drums.

1130
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: I agree, like it's my life, and I kind of

1131
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: contribute that a little bit to myself, Like in the

1132
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: decisions I made, I never made the decisions that everyone

1133
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: else wanted me to make, you know, Like I've made

1134
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: the decisions I felt was best and I wanted to

1135
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: make right.

1136
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: Wrong. Yeah, you took the decision you thought was right.

1137
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: That's right. But I could have easily have pleased everyone,

1138
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: including my family and just went to see us. But

1139
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: at the time, I'm looking at it from what's best

1140
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 2: for me right now.

1141
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: And you might just add to that breath, because just

1142
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: because you're a player, manage now, how important is for

1143
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: a player to look just not at the money, not

1144
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: at the chance of winning a Grand final, not a

1145
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: chance of having good players around him so that he

1146
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: can become being the best form that he possibly can be,

1147
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: but equally about all the other opportunities that might occur

1148
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: post football as a result of being around certain people.

1149
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: Very important.

1150
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean you're a manager. I mean, let players just

1151
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: think it's about winning grand finals. I was about playing

1152
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: good side or playing the best I can. I mean,

1153
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: maybe you could just open that up a little bit.

1154
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know, for players, I look at it, I

1155
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: was probably a little bit ahead of my time in

1156
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: that way that I always knew what I wanted to do,

1157
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: but I try and instill that in the players I

1158
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: represent now. Longevity, you know, setting yourself up, capitalizing on

1159
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: your performances on field and offered right now. You really

1160
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: need to building relationships with people that can help you

1161
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: down the track. You know that that are going to

1162
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: give you good advice and really care about you and

1163
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: your future. The transition from playing to post rugby league

1164
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: is one of the hardest, or any professional sport for

1165
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: that matter, is one of the hardest. You need to

1166
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 2: leverage the position that you're in right now, you need

1167
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: to capitalize on that, and you need to have a

1168
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: planning place that makes that transition the smoothest point. It's

1169
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: very difficult to do. There's more opportunity now for players

1170
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: to do that with social media and opportunities in terms

1171
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: of business and all that, and you know, but you

1172
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: need to do it because you go back to men's

1173
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: mental health and all that. We could go down that

1174
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: path because a lot of players struggle with that because

1175
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: they just don't plan. They make decisions not looking at

1176
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 2: the future, the longevity, the opportunities, the potential down the track,

1177
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, And that's I was always already thinking that way.

1178
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm sitting at the table with you, you know,

1179
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: James Packer, Nick Poliitis, David, I'm thinking, all, you know,

1180
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: if I need these guys, they got my back, That's

1181
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: what I was thinking then. And I was only a kid,

1182
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, So I was already thinking that. And it's

1183
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: a tricky one because you want players these days to

1184
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: think that way, but you also want loyalty and all that,

1185
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: like you know, which I wasn't being dislog had already left.

1186
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: But there's there's an element of loyalty and premierships and

1187
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: all that which you can like they're the best moment

1188
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: memories you can ever have, like they really are, but

1189
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: they don't last forever, you know, they don't last.

1190
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: They don't pay the bills.

1191
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: They don't pay the bills, they really.

1192
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: And that's what ultimately, that's your job.

1193
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: It is.

1194
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: You got to pay the bills.

1195
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, and you know, and the way

1196
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: you are perceived can hurt your brand and all that

1197
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: as well, right, so you've got to be looking after

1198
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: the way that you act and the way that you

1199
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: behave and the way that you come across, whether it's

1200
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: on TV or now, people have more access to you.

1201
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: So whether it's on your socials and all that, you.

1202
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: Just walk down the street, walking down the street.

1203
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: You cannot hide. Like it's a bit of a weird

1204
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: one because I look back and you think when I

1205
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: was playing and we had privacy, we had an element

1206
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: of privacy. We didn't have phones as much as they

1207
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: were now and social media. But then there's on the

1208
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: flip side, it's like, yeah, but now they got that,

1209
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: but they've got more opportunity to make money and actually

1210
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: forged your career outside of just playing being a ragby

1211
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: league player. The opportunities are endless if you do the

1212
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: right thing.

1213
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: Why do you think that? To some extent, I felt

1214
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: like when you were playing for us the Roosters, I

1215
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: felt as though the venom that Souse held for the

1216
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: Roosters generally was in some respects sort of directed to

1217
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: breath and asta like you became the archetypal Sydney Rooster player,

1218
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: to the South Side, to all of the south people,

1219
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: not just a side, but fans, which is you know,

1220
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: they come after you.

1221
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: I was judas I remember like I'd run on the

1222
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: field and just get booed every time I touched it.

1223
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: And as much as you try and block that out,

1224
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: it's hard, you know, it is hard to do. And

1225
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, I spat out, spat out, and you know,

1226
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 2: but it actually motivated me to It made me hate them,

1227
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: hate despise them, which I don't feel that way now,

1228
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: but when I played, I did, and it actually brought out.

1229
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: I actually probably played most of my better games against

1230
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: us because I fucking wanted to win it at the

1231
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: class and I hated them, you know, and they I

1232
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: could tell the players took it.

1233
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: I could tell they were.

1234
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: They've been told go and get it, you know.

1235
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: Like they literally did a couple of times.

1236
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah they did. We'll look at the far longer we'll win,

1237
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: we'll smashing them, and you know, all games he couldn't

1238
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: get through and I was, you know, I was having

1239
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: a few words to him, but nothing like you know, unusual,

1240
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 2: and then you know he can hit me, and they

1241
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: loved it.

1242
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and I got penalley against the

1243
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: refuge did nothing.

1244
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't Yeah, himself been coming. So it was that

1245
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: was crazy. That was a crazy moment. But those moments

1246
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: sort of just happened right, like it built the theater,

1247
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: but it definitely created this animosity, and I think the

1248
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: rivalry did, Like I got no doubt me not going

1249
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: to see us and going to the roosters in that

1250
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 2: period built that rivalry even for sure, like it just did.

1251
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's always been us getting players from them,

1252
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: and then by the way, you know, they've got plays

1253
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: from us as well more recently. But it's always been

1254
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: about that because we've always been arguing over territory. Who's

1255
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: whose territory is that? And you know, where we can

1256
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: get where we can pinch one from them, they pinch

1257
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: one for us. Actually we don't some stats. I don't

1258
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: know if you know this, but we have done some stats,

1259
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: and it turns out over the last ten years they've

1260
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: pinched in only three times as many places from us

1261
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: as we have from them. Not we're seeing the fact

1262
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: they make an allegation. So but I'll live it there very.

1263
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: Good at that. Like you know, even the silver spoons stuff, Yeah,

1264
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: look at them, like silver spoons stuff.

1265
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: They've got multi multi billionaires, like not just a billionaire,

1266
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: but multi billionaires.

1267
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: Play up to that way too much.

1268
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I know they get to get away

1269
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: with it.

1270
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: You know in saying that, like growing up in the area,

1271
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, and Malabar and Laparu's Waterloo red Form and

1272
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: all that. You know, there's a lot of you know,

1273
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: homegrown like just tragic. See our supporters who it's their lives.

1274
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: Not that there isn't roosters, right, but I've seen it.

1275
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: There's lesson the russ.

1276
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: There's less in the roost they are, you know, there is.

1277
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain. I get it because I've seen

1278
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: both sides. Yeah, I get it.

1279
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: And it's more as much it forms a bigger part

1280
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: of their life.

1281
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: It does.

1282
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: It's not much I would say it's more important, but

1283
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a far bigger part of their lives and

1284
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: therefore much more important to than my guests. To some extent,

1285
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: I know, I got it. I mean, I could talk

1286
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: to you all day, mate, but dumb but I talked

1287
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: to in Vegas. But but but but but I do

1288
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: want to talk about I have this like I was

1289
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: out the game, but I have this unbelievable like moment

1290
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: I remember you. It's one of the greatest for me,

1291
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: one of the greatest moments.

1292
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure it was West Tigers and it was

1294
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: a semi final, I think it was. And you kicked

1295
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: that field goal.

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00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

1297
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: And we went on to win the game. We did,

1298
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: and I think Sean Can scored so called forward past

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Speaker 1: from Mini.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was so cool. Everyone said, but when you kick

1302
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: that field goal, now, I just want to ask you,

1303
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: like I can't remember you close to forty something meters

1304
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: out here were a one way out anyway, and for

1305
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: me when I saw you other the fuck is this

1306
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: all money? He's not going to get it? Like it

1307
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: was sort of on an angle. It was a long distance.

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: They were running at you. What was going through mind?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in this moment, it was a moment that

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01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: I just dream dreamt about, like it's that moment, Like

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: it was a crazy moment. Because every session of training

1312
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: old kick field goals at the end and I'd put

1313
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: scenario based you know, hard catches, time on the clock

1314
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: all that and my whole life even I remember even

1315
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: going up at Malabar around me golf course, I'd be

1316
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: at the back doing the same down at Piney Park

1317
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: at Malabar for the Southeast and seagals. I was always

1318
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: just and I'd I say those moments before, like Indy

1319
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: lower grades, but there was there was always for me.

1320
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: It's like if I'm in this position ever in first grade,

1321
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: I just there would be no better feeling if I

1322
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: could just you know, kick the ball on the sign

1323
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: and win a big game for your team. You know

1324
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: that that's every kid, isn't it every kid's dream? And

1325
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: in this game, we'd lost it three or four times,

1326
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 2: like the game was over, the scrum broke down extra time.

1327
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: It was extra time. We could talk through it. A

1328
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: lot of people know them. And it was a scrum

1329
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: where Frank Paul Ussar jumps on the ball and we

1330
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: had like literally a minute and it was frantic, and

1331
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: I always say like we were going from one side

1332
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: of the field the other with Todd Carney pissed, and

1333
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do I get I'm chasing the ball,

1334
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm going from one side of the field. Just get

1335
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 2: me the ball. This is my moment. Get me the ball.

1336
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: And I got lucky because the one bloke that got

1337
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: the ball was the most experienced player who knew that

1338
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: the work I'd done and I needed the ball, and

1339
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: that was Minnie. Minni got the ball and he turns

1340
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: around literally turns around from nowhere and just looks at

1341
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: me and just slings me the ball and I just

1342
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: went bang.

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: And a Susan commanded from an angle too.

1344
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was on the left hand side of the

1345
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: field and I hit it and I looked at it

1346
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: for about when it traveled just off my boot, and

1347
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: I knew it was over. It was going nowhere but

1348
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: the black dot and I just started running like I

1349
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: just ran and we all went crazy, and it was

1350
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: the best I've ever struck a field goal. But then

1351
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, we've got to regroup here. You know,

1352
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: with the games that that was just a tie to

1353
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: go an extra time, and I got the boys in

1354
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: the huddle and I said, boys, we are not fucking

1355
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: losing this game. After all this work we've done kicking

1356
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: that field goal, And sure enough that it was pretty special.

1357
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: Sean Kenny Dow intercept off Leam Fulton runs the runs

1358
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: the link it was.

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01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It was a lot of extra time

1360
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: in that game.

1361
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: We had a lot that year, but that that game went, yeah,

1362
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: it went. It was nearly one hundred minutes I think

1363
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: in the end. But the extra special thing about that

1364
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: was when the ball was in the air because of

1365
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: other results, if I had missed that, because we'd finished

1366
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: top four that year, but the old rule, you know,

1367
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: there was a couple of upsets in the first week

1368
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: of the finals. That night there was another game. If

1369
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: that ball and missed, we're out, We're out of it.

1370
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: So the ball going over was huge because we win,

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01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: went up to Sun Court, beat Titans, and then we

1372
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: got to the Grand Final, which we lost to the Dragons,

1373
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: which is still hurts me, but yeah, it was. That

1374
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: was pretty special moment.

1375
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: So what's the biggest moment in life in footy? What

1376
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: was something you just you never you will never forget.

1377
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: You may have already covered it, but.

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01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've got to say that the Grand

1379
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: Final winning, because it's just so hard to come by.

1380
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: If you're talking one specific moment, it was that field goal.

1381
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: Like that was a big moment for me because, like,

1382
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: like you've sort of briefly spoken about it, I was

1383
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: kind of a polarizing figure throughout my career, and I've

1384
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: had a lot of people doubt me, you know, and

1385
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: and and you know, I probably suffered from listening to

1386
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: the noise too much throughout my career, which has held

1387
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: me back. So that was a bit later on my career.

1388
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: To set to ice a moment under such huge pressure

1389
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 2: that was so important was really really satisfying for me

1390
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: because I felt like I'd proven a lot of people

1391
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: wrong and that was a moment that, you know, as

1392
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: an individual moment. I don't think it gets much better.

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: Can I just say, you know, as we wrap up here,

1394
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: because you know, this is the thing forever and I

1395
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: could talk to you for hours, but I just want

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: to congratulate you on your your fatherhood.

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, thanks.

1398
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: I think you do a brilliant job. You know, your

1399
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: young daughters like it's it's amazing what I mean, I

1400
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: only see what you put up on socials, but it's

1401
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: amazing how proud a dad you are. Like and they

1402
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: look to me like they really love their dad and

1403
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: like hanging out with their dad. But you're sharing, you know,

1404
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: you share so many moments with them, and you, you know,

1405
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: and alongside your friends, like your friends are often there

1406
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: with your kids, you know, like you spend it looks

1407
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: like more time than most of us spend with their kids.

1408
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: And and not to say you're not busy, because you're

1409
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: busy and especially when the footy starts up again, would

1410
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: that be probably the most important thing to you in

1411
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: your life?

1412
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: Definitely doubt. Two girls?

1413
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: What do they give you.

1414
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: Everything? Like, They're just the love, you know, the dependence,

1415
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: the way they look at here, the way they need you,

1416
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: and you've got to deliver for then dissatisfaction from you know,

1417
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: just putting a smile on their face and being already

1418
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: give them the best life of I can is a lot,

1419
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's everything to me. You know,

1420
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: I've got two different girls and two different women. You know,

1421
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: there's challenges that come with that, you know, and and

1422
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: time and when you when I've got the time with them,

1423
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: I want to make it memorable and I want them

1424
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: to cherish that and love every moment they spend with

1425
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: their dad. And that's what I try and provide to them.

1426
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: You know. I find it because I don't have had doors,

1427
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: only had sons. But I always wanted to Yeah, well

1428
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: maybe you're not too anyone out there that's not happening

1429
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: done so, but like yeah, but I just think I've

1430
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: given that. They're half sisters so to speak. It's amazing

1431
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: what you do, like you know, and how you go

1432
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, I just marvel at it. And

1433
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: then I also want to congratulate you on what you

1434
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: do in terms of trying to inspire dads with your mate,

1435
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: who's your mate, the big fellow. Sure, yeah, you're training

1436
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: programs and you know, just you've been honest. You're showing

1437
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: us what you do. You know, and you're both stuffed

1438
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: and sweaty, and you know, it's early in the morning,

1439
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: consistent hanging out.

1440
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: Like we just want to show people like you know,

1441
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: you can do it, like get up and train, and

1442
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: you know, even it hurts most mornings, I don't want

1443
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: to do it, you know, but you get up, you

1444
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 2: do it. You feel so much better. And you know,

1445
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: just given you guys messaging me all the time on socials,

1446
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: and I try and give as much as I can,

1447
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: as many men as I can that are going through

1448
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: a bit of tough times and need a bit of

1449
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: support and help and just reassurance. And that's what we do.

1450
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: Like we're not trying to parade or go look at us.

1451
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: It's not like you know, get out, get up, let's

1452
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: do it. You know, like there's plenty of time, you know,

1453
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: just just get working hard. And you'll feel better for it. Man.

1454
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: I just thanks so much for your honesty and your

1455
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: sort of open to see. But I guess that my

1456
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: final thing, and I probably i'd say, anyone who's listening

1457
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: to this whole thing in the audience probably would sit

1458
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: back to themselves and thinks, cells it's pretty amazing a

1459
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid who lost his dad when he

1460
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: was young, under pretty traumatic circumstances has managed to get

1461
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: himself to where he is today through all the hurdles,

1462
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: and you didn't have a dad to lean into, like

1463
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: obviously your mum's been a great supporter, but you didn't

1464
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: have a dad lean into. And as you said, you

1465
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of complications one of the way with

1466
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: George and you know in sous and blah blah blah,

1467
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: but you've sort of managed to keep coming up above

1468
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: the water and getting all the air you need. And

1469
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: then someone pushes you down your back up again and

1470
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,919
Speaker 1: you can't kill him off. He's sort of, like Ada,

1471
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: I said, like a cockroach mate, like a good New

1472
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: South Wales well ft. But congratulations, it's been an amazing

1473
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: career in life and one day your daughter's going to

1474
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: look back on them and they're going to know the

1475
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: story and when they're older, and they're going to be

1476
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: very proud of you for dumb breath.

1477
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, know of you, and and I'll look

1478
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: up to I'll look up to you. So to come

1479
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: on here and and be on your podcast as an

1480
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: Honor mate, it's it's likewise, thanks brace, thank you, m