WEBVTT - Credlin | 10 September 0:00:01.930 --> 0:00:07.490 Peter Credlin, live from News 24. 0:00:07.490 --> 0:00:09.869 Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up 0:00:09.910 --> 0:00:13.810 tonight on Credlin. 25 years on, we reflect today for 0:00:14.710 --> 0:00:19.870 when Islamic terrorism changed America and changed the world. More tonight, too, 0:00:19.950 --> 0:00:23.829 on internal issues within the AFP with reported rushed meetings 0:00:23.870 --> 0:00:28.310 this week to discuss vital resourcing issues and cost-cutting measures. 0:00:28.810 --> 0:00:31.850 We'll talk to David Craig in a moment. Plus, Victoria 0:00:31.890 --> 0:00:35.760 takes a dubious crown as the car theft capital. Latest 0:00:35.820 --> 0:00:38.699 crime stats showing the Carroll-labelled government's got a lot of 0:00:38.780 --> 0:00:43.100 work to do to reassure voters before November. And the 0:00:43.140 --> 0:00:47.240 coalition comes out swinging against Labor's so-called digital duty of care, 0:00:47.780 --> 0:00:49.850 rightly labelling it a farce. 0:00:50.330 --> 0:00:54.210 It's a blank check for political censorship. That's not Australia. 0:00:54.670 --> 0:00:57.230 That's not what we do in this country. We should 0:00:57.290 --> 0:00:58.530 have free debate. 0:01:00.730 --> 0:01:05.970 But first, hold on and listen to this. Because yesterday 0:01:06.030 --> 0:01:09.180 in Question Time, we saw the Prime Minister come under 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:14.060 fire over a $ 6 million taxpayer grant to the Marrickville 0:01:14.260 --> 0:01:17.860 Golf Club. And why that mattered has nothing to do 0:01:17.900 --> 0:01:20.339 with the fact that the golf course is in his electorate, 0:01:20.860 --> 0:01:24.860 but because he's a long-time member of the club, something 0:01:24.940 --> 0:01:28.810 he went out of his way to downplay yesterday with 0:01:28.850 --> 0:01:29.590 these comments. 0:01:30.780 --> 0:01:36.230 In 2012, I've been advised that I got honorary membership. 0:01:36.270 --> 0:01:40.160 Someone made a decision. I don't have a card. I 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.620 don't go to the club. 0:01:41.620 --> 0:01:43.980 14 years ago. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.800 But I make this point. 0:01:46.860 --> 0:01:51.000 Mr Speaker, if anyone wants to join what is affectionately 0:01:51.060 --> 0:01:55.290 known as Royal Marigold, what they need for two years' 0:01:55.350 --> 0:01:58.850 membership is $ 5. We'll get them two years' membership. 0:01:59.530 --> 0:02:00.490 For two years! 0:02:02.690 --> 0:02:04.860 Look at that game he was playing there. It's just 0:02:04.890 --> 0:02:09.160 a minor little honorary membership to a golf club, not 0:02:09.220 --> 0:02:12.280 the sort of $ 1, 000 fee that everyone else has to play. 0:02:12.810 --> 0:02:16.670 But that's typical Albanese playbook stuff, isn't it? You deflect, 0:02:17.310 --> 0:02:20.579 you downplay, and if that doesn't work, then you just 0:02:20.820 --> 0:02:25.120 outright deny. But it doesn't work so well when there's 0:02:25.180 --> 0:02:29.750 actual footage that tells another story. And here he is, 0:02:29.790 --> 0:02:33.150 the Prime Minister, caught on camera at the Marrickville Golf 0:02:33.210 --> 0:02:36.669 Club in 2019, so not PM at that stage, but 0:02:36.730 --> 0:02:40.690 certainly the member, promising that a future Labor government would 0:02:40.730 --> 0:02:42.330 hand over a $ 350, 000 taxpayer grant. And today I want 0:02:42.350 --> 0:02:43.419 to announce.... 0:02:48.310 --> 0:02:54.520 That a federal Labor government is committing $ 350, 000 to make 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.660 sure that this club can host more events, support more 0:02:58.730 --> 0:03:03.989 volunteer organisations, support more charities and be even better. 0:03:03.730 --> 0:03:04.750 Than it is today. 0:03:08.530 --> 0:03:11.930 Don't even go there, he says. Well, clearly, he's up 0:03:11.970 --> 0:03:14.490 to his neck in lies, when even his mates at 0:03:14.510 --> 0:03:17.820 the ABC report that he regularly walked his dog Toto 0:03:18.260 --> 0:03:20.840 on this golf course. I mean, this guy can't lie 0:03:20.900 --> 0:03:23.940 straight in bed. Very quickly, that's now become a key 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.810 focus of how he's being framed by his opponents. By 0:03:28.870 --> 0:03:33.570 lunchtime today, Liberal Party HQ had this going viral on 0:03:33.669 --> 0:03:34.390 social media. 0:03:35.410 --> 0:03:36.190 I do not have a. 0:03:36.190 --> 0:03:40.570 Card as a member of Marrickville Golf Club. I haven't spoken. 0:03:40.590 --> 0:03:41.410 And I've been. 0:03:41.230 --> 0:03:44.030 Coming here for decades and using this club. 0:03:44.230 --> 0:03:48.320 I don't know who the executive of Marrickville Golf Club are. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.540 I don't know who the executive of Marrickville Golf Club are. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:53.980 I don't use the facilities. 0:03:54.020 --> 0:03:56.880 And I've been coming here for decades. 0:03:56.420 --> 0:03:57.540 And using this club. 0:03:57.910 --> 0:04:00.529 I don't do anything whatsoever for it. Today I want 0:04:00.570 --> 0:04:01.050 to announce. 0:04:01.930 --> 0:04:09.170 that a federal Labor government is committing. 0:04:07.270 --> 0:04:07.930 $ 350, 000 to. 0:04:07.890 --> 0:04:11.150 Make sure that this club can host more events. 0:04:11.450 --> 0:04:16.100 I don't play golf, Mr Speaker. For them to draw 0:04:16.210 --> 0:04:18.400 this extraordinarily long bow. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.700 The 18 hold course scoring a $ 6 million grant through 0:04:22.740 --> 0:04:26.300 a half billion dollar fund that paid for Labor's 2025 0:04:26.300 --> 0:04:34.659 election pledges. Authorised by Alfalo, Liberal Canberra. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.460 Well, when question time came around today at two o'clock, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.169 Labor's lying leader was back in the hot seat. 0:04:44.089 --> 0:04:46.810 Why has the Prime Minister declared that he has honorary 0:04:46.870 --> 0:04:50.570 membership of the exclusive Royal Sydney Golf Club, but not 0:04:50.850 --> 0:04:54.400 Marrickville Golf Club? An article in the Daily Telegraph in 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.280 April 2019 said the following. If you chop it to 0:04:58.339 --> 0:05:00.560 nine holes, you might as well be honest and say 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.050 get rid of it altogether because... it simply wouldn't be viable, 0:05:04.370 --> 0:05:08.270 said Mr Albanese, who is an honorary member of the 0:05:08.330 --> 0:05:12.390 Maracle Golf Club. How did the Daily Telegraph know in 0:05:12.390 --> 0:05:15.560 2019 you were a member and you didn't? 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.820 Well, the honorary membership, well, that's more beer. This is 0:05:21.860 --> 0:05:25.580 where the scrutiny must be applied. On his parliamentary register, 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.430 Albanese has disclosed that he wants to own a house 0:05:29.910 --> 0:05:33.669 on the very road that runs alongside the golf course. 0:05:34.589 --> 0:05:37.890 And he himself mentioned it publicly back in 2019 when 0:05:37.930 --> 0:05:41.520 he was campaigning to save the golf course, saying, I 0:05:41.860 --> 0:05:45.120 declare an interest. I live in Beecham Street, he said, 0:05:45.180 --> 0:05:49.680 and I've been coming here for decades and using the club. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.370 In 2021, the year before he was elected Prime Minister, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.760 Albanese sold this property on Beecham Street for $ 2. 35 million. 0:05:59.500 --> 0:06:02.660 And what would you know, this was the same year, 2021, 0:06:02.660 --> 0:06:06.820 that the local Inner West Council voted to grant the 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:12.430 club a new 21-year lease on the parkland. When officially 0:06:12.510 --> 0:06:16.450 signed off the following April, the Marrickville Golf Club labelled 0:06:16.470 --> 0:06:20.110 the deal as historic because without the lease, the golf 0:06:20.150 --> 0:06:25.180 club would have been unviable. Their words, not mine. And 0:06:25.220 --> 0:06:28.560 that word unviable is important here because if the golf 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.739 club was forced out, that would have put at risk 0:06:31.779 --> 0:06:35.500 valuable green space in a very dense part of inner 0:06:35.540 --> 0:06:39.930 city Sydney. And green space, as we all know, improves 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.550 property values, doesn't it? Now, as interesting as all that is, 0:06:44.950 --> 0:06:47.250 what a lot of people don't know is that while 0:06:47.310 --> 0:06:50.370 Albanese sold that house in 2021 for over $ 2 million, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:57.480 He had another Barrickville property, didn't he? Well, surprise, surprise, 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:02.060 he still has it. And it's also very, very close 0:07:02.460 --> 0:07:06.750 to that same golf course. We know here on News 0:07:06.750 --> 0:07:11.510 24 the house number and the street, but for security reasons, 0:07:11.630 --> 0:07:14.830 we're not putting it to air tonight. But we can 0:07:14.870 --> 0:07:17.550 show you this picture because the Prime Minister chose to 0:07:17.590 --> 0:07:22.530 be photographed out the front by The Guardian in 2022. 0:07:22.630 --> 0:07:26.120 Checking in the Prime Minister's Parliamentary Register this afternoon, we 0:07:26.140 --> 0:07:32.380 can confirm a Marrickville property remains in his possession. Last year, 0:07:32.420 --> 0:07:35.720 it was reported that this second property was rented out 0:07:35.740 --> 0:07:39.320 at over $ 1, 400 a week. And in February this year, 0:07:39.870 --> 0:07:46.650 realestate.com.au estimated its value at around $ 2. 9 million. So this 0:07:46.690 --> 0:07:51.050 is where the $ 6 million grant from taxpayers by his 0:07:51.130 --> 0:07:55.960 government was Gets interesting. Look at this Facebook post from 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.980 Darcy Byrne, the bloke who was the local council mayor 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.900 when the new 21-year lease was approved and granted to 0:08:04.180 --> 0:08:07.110 the golf course. It reads, we are proceeding with a 0:08:07.110 --> 0:08:12.390 $ 6 million renovation of the Marrickville Golf Clubhouse, funded, he says, 0:08:12.790 --> 0:08:17.380 by the club's most famous patron, Anthony Albanese. So he's 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.820 gone from having no involvement with the golf club, knowing 0:08:20.900 --> 0:08:24.720 nothing about that honorary membership for over a decade, to 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.690 now being the club's most famous patron, so says his mate, 0:08:29.170 --> 0:08:33.290 the local mayor. Okay, so this is where taxpayers are 0:08:33.510 --> 0:08:38.250 owed some transparency. Did the decision by the Albanese government 0:08:38.290 --> 0:08:41.850 to give $ 6 million to the Marrickville Golf Club boost 0:08:41.990 --> 0:08:45.370 the value of the home that we know is still 0:08:45.610 --> 0:08:50.160 owned by the Prime Minister very close by? But it 0:08:50.179 --> 0:08:52.800 gets murkier, doesn't it? In the Parliament today, the Prime 0:08:52.820 --> 0:08:56.720 Minister revealed this about the use of the $ 6 million 0:08:56.740 --> 0:09:00.929 grant for sewerage works. There were three. 0:09:01.890 --> 0:09:05.800 Commitments in my electorate, one for the upgrade of the 0:09:05.900 --> 0:09:10.719 Inner West Council-owned Marrickville Golf Club. Included in that was 0:09:10.780 --> 0:09:15.580 funding to fix the sewerage because it goes into the 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.110 river and causes a problem when it floods. 0:09:20.970 --> 0:09:24.130 You heard it there, sewerage. Well, then how does Albanese 0:09:24.190 --> 0:09:28.719 reconcile those comments in the House this afternoon and with 0:09:28.900 --> 0:09:31.940 this press release from the New South Wales Crown Lands 0:09:31.980 --> 0:09:38.210 Department announcing a $ 270, 000 grant to connect the Gulf Clubhouse 0:09:38.250 --> 0:09:42.490 to main sewerage to disconnect old septic tanks and thereby 0:09:42.570 --> 0:09:45.850 close off any risk of sewerage runoff into the nearby 0:09:45.929 --> 0:09:50.429 Cooks River. Who's telling the truth here? And if federal 0:09:50.470 --> 0:09:54.430 money wasn't about sewerage, as the Prime Minister said today, 0:09:55.190 --> 0:09:59.230 where was it all spent? The Prime Minister sits in ERC, 0:09:59.290 --> 0:10:03.600 the Budget Committee, and he also chairs Cabinet. When these 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.300 funding decisions came to either of those rooms for sign-off, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:13.500 did he declare a financial interest? Did he declare he was, 0:10:13.580 --> 0:10:16.280 in the words of the local mayor, the golf club's 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.370 most famous patron? Did he tell the room he still 0:10:20.470 --> 0:10:24.570 owned a multi-million dollar house in very close proximity to 0:10:24.590 --> 0:10:28.209 the golf course? Did he recuse himself from the decision, 0:10:28.630 --> 0:10:33.620 given what's a clear conflict of interest? Six million dollars 0:10:33.670 --> 0:10:36.280 is a lot of money. It's a lot of money 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.979 for a little suburban golf course. And this is where 0:10:41.020 --> 0:10:49.650 tonight the focus must shift. Let's go to Canberra now 0:10:49.670 --> 0:10:52.370 for the headlines. Our political reporter, Trudy McIntosh. 0:10:53.510 --> 0:10:56.579 The fight between Liberal MP Andrew Hastie and One Nation's 0:10:56.660 --> 0:10:58.540 Pauline Hanson is getting ugly. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.340 Own the fact that you've called me a traitor or 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:02.300 take down the cartoon. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.640 She's done neither. I have never called him a traitor. 0:11:06.140 --> 0:11:08.390 Her party's cartoon did eight times. 0:11:08.750 --> 0:11:10.990 And it's all my fault because I'm a stupid traitor. 0:11:11.210 --> 0:11:12.050 She should take it down. 0:11:12.610 --> 0:11:15.370 I believe One Nation should never have posted this video. 0:11:15.450 --> 0:11:17.350 That woman is disgusting. 0:11:17.610 --> 0:11:19.920 Pauline Hanson says it's a storm in a teacup. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.260 He's the one who's got his knickers in a knot. 0:11:22.380 --> 0:11:24.840 I have to say you're a bloody maggot yourself and 0:11:24.860 --> 0:11:25.579 you're a coward. 0:11:25.980 --> 0:11:30.850 And former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is sounding the alarm 0:11:30.910 --> 0:11:34.790 about Australia's slide into complacency, using his press club speech 0:11:34.870 --> 0:11:37.890 to make the case for radical change to meet looming dangers, 0:11:37.950 --> 0:11:41.740 including AI. Dr Rudd calls for the return to industry policy, 0:11:42.010 --> 0:11:44.400 including reviving the car manufacturing sector. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.300 Now the 3D printing and EV revolutions mean we can 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.439 rebuild an Australian auto sector and repair this vital vulnerability 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:52.570 in our national security. 0:11:52.830 --> 0:11:55.550 The former ambassador insists his appearance is not part of 0:11:55.570 --> 0:11:56.490 the political comeback. 0:11:56.950 --> 0:12:00.069 And before you ask, no, I'm not running for UN Secretary-General. 0:12:00.870 --> 0:12:02.600 Malcolm took care of that last time around. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.960 Trudy McIntosh, News 24, Canberra. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:08.860 Well, I want to go now to the press conference 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.220 today from the coalition. Included was the shadow communications minister, 0:12:13.260 --> 0:12:16.520 Senator Sarah Henderson, flanked by the Liberal leader, Angus Taylor, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.900 and National Party leader, Matt Canavan, a united front today 0:12:19.970 --> 0:12:24.160 condemning Labor's duty of care bill. this digital duty of care, 0:12:24.179 --> 0:12:26.260 I should say. Sarah Henderson joins me now to take 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.069 us through the decision that was taken by the Coalition. 0:12:30.230 --> 0:12:34.010 The government's essentially telling us, Sarah, trust us, we can 0:12:34.090 --> 0:12:38.420 police it, it's just about the algorithm, but that's not 0:12:38.460 --> 0:12:38.840 the truth. 0:12:40.790 --> 0:12:43.349 It is not the truth, Peter. Great to join you. 0:12:43.630 --> 0:12:47.570 And as has been made very clear today by Angus Taylor, 0:12:47.610 --> 0:12:51.470 Matt Canavan and myself in our press conference, the Coalition 0:12:51.550 --> 0:12:55.429 cannot support this dreadful bill in its current form. 0:12:55.500 --> 0:12:57.720 This is a political censorship bill. 0:12:58.260 --> 0:13:02.099 This is an egregious attempt to shut down the right 0:13:02.140 --> 0:13:05.360 of Australians to have their say, no matter whether you 0:13:05.420 --> 0:13:08.980 agree or disagree. And the more we look into this bill, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.170 the worse it is And there are some very insidious consequences. 0:13:13.210 --> 0:13:16.360 So we've made it very clear the Nationals and the 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.980 Liberals vote for us and you will not get these 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:25.510 shocking laws which censor our free speech in this country. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.500 The Minister was on with my colleague Laura Jones yesterday. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.219 It was a train wreck. She was called out at 0:13:31.780 --> 0:13:34.300 first saying that news sites would not be included. Well, 0:13:34.580 --> 0:13:37.439 they are. She had to admit that. She was a 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:42.410 bit coy about this definition of harm and who would 0:13:42.470 --> 0:13:47.050 control that definition. She again had to admit it was her. 0:13:47.610 --> 0:13:49.030 What else concerns you, Sarah? 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.680 Well, there are many aspects of this bill that are 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.940 very concerning, Petra, and I'm just looking at the definition 0:13:56.980 --> 0:14:00.280 of harmful materials for children. And would you believe it 0:14:00.340 --> 0:14:06.410 includes anything which promotes hostile attitudes towards women or gender equality? 0:14:06.429 --> 0:14:09.110 I mean, this is the sort of rubbish that's in 0:14:09.150 --> 0:14:12.350 this bill. There was also a very good discussion today 0:14:12.770 --> 0:14:16.250 about another definition of seriously harmful. 0:14:15.890 --> 0:14:17.390 Material, which includes. 0:14:18.429 --> 0:14:22.910 anything that depicts cruelty to animals. Now, is this a 0:14:22.970 --> 0:14:25.510 backdoor way of trying to shut down any material in 0:14:25.550 --> 0:14:28.730 relation to the live export trade, for instance? 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:29.890 We just don't know. 0:14:30.030 --> 0:14:33.200 All we know is that this government has got an 0:14:33.260 --> 0:14:35.920 insidious agenda to shut down. 0:14:35.860 --> 0:14:38.080 Any view with which it does not agree. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.400 That is very clear because the Minister has given herself 0:14:41.820 --> 0:14:46.300 the broadest unfettered powers to shut down any sort of 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:47.620 category of harm. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.220 As she sees fit with our parliamentary oversight. 0:14:51.660 --> 0:14:53.420 This is one of the worst things that I think 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.140 we've ever seen come before the parliament in terms of 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:02.380 undermining our democracy. And as you say, Peter, the attack 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.280 on news media is shocking. The fact that news media 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.800 websites are caught up in this bill, which compromises and 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.640 puts at risk a free political speech when it comes 0:15:12.740 --> 0:15:16.240 to commentary or the work of journalists or the work 0:15:16.340 --> 0:15:20.560 of media organisations. It is appalling and I'm very, very 0:15:20.700 --> 0:15:24.239 proud that we have come out firing on all cylinders 0:15:24.620 --> 0:15:27.300 saying we will fight this every step of the way 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.030 and we are asking all Australians to get behind our campaign. 0:15:32.550 --> 0:15:33.790 I've just got to ask you for a comment on 0:15:33.810 --> 0:15:36.470 my editorial too. I know a lot of the focus 0:15:36.490 --> 0:15:38.890 has been about an honorary membership to a golf club, 0:15:39.310 --> 0:15:41.350 but the Prime Minister hasn't really been up front. The 0:15:41.370 --> 0:15:45.050 fact that he owned one house alongside the golf club 0:15:45.590 --> 0:15:48.610 and he still owns another house, and I won't disclose 0:15:48.630 --> 0:15:51.489 where it is, but it is very close proximity to 0:15:51.550 --> 0:15:54.650 the golf club. This should have been disclosed, and I 0:15:54.690 --> 0:15:57.880 would hope he had no role in this decision because 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:02.680 $ 6 million to upgrade a clubhouse is a lot of taxpayers' money. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.500 It is a lot of money. 0:16:06.660 --> 0:16:09.640 And as we know, and we again reiterated this today 0:16:09.820 --> 0:16:12.680 in the Parliament, the Prime Minister has lied. He said 0:16:12.700 --> 0:16:14.940 he had no connection with the club. He knew no one. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:15.800 He'd never been there. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.470 And then, of course, we uncover the video, which shows 0:16:19.500 --> 0:16:22.310 that he has been very much a part of this club. 0:16:22.390 --> 0:16:26.350 He failed, of course, to disclose his honorary membership. He 0:16:26.390 --> 0:16:30.710 has lied through his teeth, frankly. We are sick of 0:16:30.750 --> 0:16:33.900 the lies, Peter. the lies over the budget, the lies 0:16:33.940 --> 0:16:37.220 in relation to electricity prices, the lies that he didn't 0:16:37.260 --> 0:16:40.130 fall off the stage and, of course, the lies in 0:16:40.150 --> 0:16:43.670 relation to that terrible video that he made where he 0:16:43.750 --> 0:16:46.620 so denigrated the Japanese Prime Minister for which he has 0:16:46.700 --> 0:16:51.120 still not apologised. Australians are sick of the lies. They 0:16:51.180 --> 0:16:54.440 are sick of the fact that they cannot trust this government. And, 0:16:54.460 --> 0:16:57.460 of course, now the government and the Prime Minister and 0:16:57.500 --> 0:17:01.970 Annika Wells is saying, please trust us on protecting freedom 0:17:02.110 --> 0:17:04.770 of speech in this country. Well, we don't trust this 0:17:04.810 --> 0:17:09.270 government on anything. That's why we are working around the clock, 0:17:09.470 --> 0:17:11.770 day and night, to get rid of this dreadful government. 0:17:13.609 --> 0:17:16.000 I'll leave it there, Senator Henderson. Thank you. Let's go 0:17:16.020 --> 0:17:18.500 down to my panel, National Affairs Editor at the Daily Telegraph. 0:17:18.859 --> 0:17:21.480 Of course, a host of News 24, James Morrow, and 0:17:21.500 --> 0:17:25.640 Deputy Executive Director at the IPA, Dan Wild. Dan, I'll 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.380 come to you first, if I can, and get your 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.699 comments on this digital duty of care, because I know 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.530 you've just been as vociferous as I have been in 0:17:34.590 --> 0:17:36.929 criticism this week. What do you make of the decision 0:17:37.250 --> 0:17:41.290 also from the Coalition quite quickly to say it will 0:17:41.330 --> 0:17:41.990 not be supported? 0:17:43.710 --> 0:17:45.600 Well, you've given this a very thorough treatment over the 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.959 last couple of days, Peter, and your analysis of it. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.280 And I'll just add a couple of observations. Firstly, it 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.420 all comes down to Section 25C in the legislation, which 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.359 confers upon the communications minister basically carte blanche. powers to 0:17:59.380 --> 0:18:01.780 decide what is a serious harm. Anyone can look up 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.760 the legislation and read the paragraph that is there. Now, yes, 0:18:04.780 --> 0:18:07.580 the legislation specifies a whole bunch of other harms, but 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.780 there's a catch all term that basically says anything we 0:18:09.820 --> 0:18:13.360 haven't got in the legislation, the communications minister can decide. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.820 As you pointed out, that is the thing that she 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.239 got hung up on in an interview a little bit 0:18:19.310 --> 0:18:21.270 earlier where she had to basically say, yeah, it's up 0:18:21.290 --> 0:18:23.780 to me to decide what is a serious harm. Now, 0:18:23.820 --> 0:18:26.080 the other point that I want to make is the 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.680 government has form in this area. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:28.020 Right. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.550 So this is the third crack that they are having 0:18:30.770 --> 0:18:32.930 at Internet censorship. The first one was a couple of 0:18:32.970 --> 0:18:36.449 years ago with the misinformation and disinformation laws, which was 0:18:36.490 --> 0:18:39.190 designed basically to set up a digital ministry of truth 0:18:39.609 --> 0:18:42.010 to decide what is true and what is not true. Now, 0:18:42.050 --> 0:18:44.310 you remember that those laws were so toxic they didn't 0:18:44.350 --> 0:18:46.070 even make it to the Senate floor because they were 0:18:46.090 --> 0:18:48.470 going to be rejected. Then they had another crack in 0:18:48.490 --> 0:18:51.260 the wake of Bondi with the hate speech laws. So 0:18:51.300 --> 0:18:53.260 they had the hate group laws, which did go ahead. 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.660 But you remember the original legislation had sweeping hate speech 0:18:56.700 --> 0:18:59.980 laws that would have had a UK style police state 0:19:00.060 --> 0:19:02.820 ushered in, in Australia where people would have gotten arrested 0:19:02.859 --> 0:19:05.200 for things they've said on the internet. Now they kiboshed 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.520 those as well because they were so unpopular. So this 0:19:07.580 --> 0:19:09.200 is the third time they're having a go at it. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:09.460 Right? 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.600 So the first time was about, you know, we need 0:19:11.619 --> 0:19:14.590 a police misinformation to save democracy and, The second one 0:19:14.609 --> 0:19:16.949 was we need to protect social cohesion. So we're going 0:19:16.970 --> 0:19:19.100 to have hate laws. Now, the third one is we've 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.419 got to save the kids. So we're going to have 0:19:20.500 --> 0:19:23.300 Internet censorship. So this is a government that's hell bent 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.300 on censoring what you can do and say online. I 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.119 do think that these laws will be defeated, but it's 0:19:28.140 --> 0:19:29.560 going to take a lot of pushback to do it. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.340 Well, we know, James Morrow, why they don't want us 0:19:34.380 --> 0:19:35.980 to be able to put the truth to air because 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.389 the revelations that I brought to air tonight from a 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.109 bit of digging around this afternoon, I mean, forget the 0:19:41.210 --> 0:19:43.390 idea that he was an honorary member of a golf 0:19:43.410 --> 0:19:46.090 club and pretended in the parliament that he couldn't even 0:19:46.130 --> 0:19:49.930 remember being offered the membership. Of course, we know... he 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.360 was known as the patron locally, the most famous patron, 0:19:53.420 --> 0:19:55.600 says the mayor. We know he was there on his 0:19:55.700 --> 0:19:59.080 feet in 2019 promising them a bag of money if 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.580 Labor was elected. Of course, they weren't at that time. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.400 But the revelations now that he's owned not one but 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.560 two properties in close proximity to all this green space, 0:20:09.130 --> 0:20:12.970 You live in Sydney. If there was no golf course there, 0:20:13.330 --> 0:20:18.310 no green space, no upgraded clubhouse, that would probably have 0:20:18.350 --> 0:20:20.450 an impact on his property values. 0:20:20.890 --> 0:20:23.410 But, you know, even if it didn't, and I do 0:20:23.450 --> 0:20:25.830 think it would, and I do think that's a clear 0:20:25.950 --> 0:20:29.520 conflict of interest there, there's all this other stuff that's just, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.119 you know, so bizarre to me. This is entirely in 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.380 going to this man's character. And I have to say... 0:20:36.740 --> 0:20:39.199 You know, listening to your editorial and reading everything that 0:20:39.220 --> 0:20:41.580 there's been out there on this today here, Peter, I mean, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.550 honorary members at Royal Sydney, membership in Royal Sydney, you know, 0:20:45.730 --> 0:20:48.950 the multi-million dollar property portfolio. My God, Peter, being a 0:20:49.070 --> 0:20:52.600 landlord for a guy who wants to fight Tories, you know, 0:20:52.820 --> 0:20:54.360 he must have a hard time looking in the mirror. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.600 He'd want to punch it, given, you know, all of 0:20:56.660 --> 0:21:01.100 these sorts of things. But this is so... emblematic of 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.899 the Albanese way of doing things. Deflect, minimize, say it's 0:21:05.940 --> 0:21:08.190 the other guy's fault. You know, I mean, and if 0:21:08.230 --> 0:21:12.070 this misinformation stuff goes through, the algorithm stuff goes through, 0:21:12.109 --> 0:21:14.830 the digital duty of care, who knows? They might even say, hey, 0:21:14.930 --> 0:21:17.310 I think that that meme the Liberal Party put out there, 0:21:17.350 --> 0:21:20.330 that reel that you showed before, maybe that's hurting social 0:21:20.369 --> 0:21:22.610 cohesion because people aren't trusting the government. 0:21:24.410 --> 0:21:27.690 You're not wrong. Let's go to the brouhaha with Andrew 0:21:27.710 --> 0:21:30.910 Hastie in One Nation. after he was called a traitor 0:21:31.130 --> 0:21:34.090 in a cartoon. Now, he's done a lot of media 0:21:34.109 --> 0:21:36.369 in the last couple of days, Andrew Hastie. He's labelled 0:21:36.390 --> 0:21:41.060 Hanson as weak and glass-jawed. Speculation, of course, that more 0:21:41.100 --> 0:21:44.640 today that there's other things to come out about Warren Pickering. Dan, 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.390 I'll go to you first. On the broader issue about 0:21:48.450 --> 0:21:52.070 Hastie being called a traitor and Pauline Hanson digging in, 0:21:52.369 --> 0:21:56.250 should she apologise? Should this clip go down? Because I 0:21:56.270 --> 0:22:00.630 certainly supported the ABC taking down the offensive skit involving 0:22:00.690 --> 0:22:02.470 Gina Reinhardt. What's your view? 0:22:04.250 --> 0:22:06.110 I don't know that the clip needs to go down, but, 0:22:06.350 --> 0:22:08.469 I mean, certainly Andrew Hastie is more than entitled to 0:22:08.510 --> 0:22:11.550 defend himself and he's more than entitled to see it 0:22:11.790 --> 0:22:13.389 as an attack on him and as an attack on 0:22:13.450 --> 0:22:17.090 his service to our country, which... You know, there's the 0:22:17.109 --> 0:22:19.230 whole Ben Roberts Smith thing. I don't have any special 0:22:19.270 --> 0:22:22.649 information about that. But certainly, I think that Andrew Hastie 0:22:22.690 --> 0:22:25.110 is well within his rights to make the connection that 0:22:25.130 --> 0:22:27.630 he has made. Now, Senator Hanson, as you know, has said, well, 0:22:27.670 --> 0:22:29.740 I wasn't talking, it was a cartoon. I wasn't talking 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:31.600 about that. I was talking about the hate group laws 0:22:32.140 --> 0:22:32.720 and so forth. 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:34.020 Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it isn't. 0:22:34.100 --> 0:22:37.800 I don't really know. What I think Australians see here, though, 0:22:37.820 --> 0:22:42.060 or the risks that they see is more squabbling of 0:22:42.190 --> 0:22:44.659 politicians when they want people to be focused on the 0:22:44.700 --> 0:22:48.300 issues that they're feeling in their homes. So I think 0:22:48.340 --> 0:22:50.240 this will go on. Obviously, as you know, canning is 0:22:50.260 --> 0:22:54.500 probably under the pump from One Nation following that by-election. So, 0:22:54.700 --> 0:22:56.220