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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Aston Martin

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Speaker 1: confirms legendary designer Adrian Newey. We'll join the team next

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Speaker 1: season after quitting Red Bull Racing earlier this year, and

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Speaker 1: we look ahead to this weekends Azer Vaijan Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: a race in a reasonable time zone. My name is

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Speaker 1: Michael Lomonato, motorsport writer for Fox Sports Australia. It's great

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Speaker 1: to have your company and the company of my co

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Speaker 1: host from Speed Cafe. In about the time it's taken

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Speaker 1: me to get to his introduction, Adrian new he's made

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Speaker 1: around about one hundred and twelve dollars. It's Matt Kosh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the time he gets to lunches, he's

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Speaker 2: earned himself a brand new Ford Ranger every day. I

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Speaker 2: remember years ago that comparison comes because years ago, years

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Speaker 2: and years ago, in Australia you've got sort of four

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Speaker 2: big banks and then there's some investment banks, Mcquarie Bank

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Speaker 2: being one of them. And I just remembered that the

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Speaker 2: media made a big deal about the salary that the

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Speaker 2: when I was working out what, you know, how much

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Speaker 2: million dollars a year, we work that out what he'd

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Speaker 2: he actually got a pretty handy forward range. I mean,

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Speaker 2: to it. But yeah, I mean, that's that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: That is a tremendous example. The only thing I really

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Speaker 1: should add, I guess, to make it even more Australian,

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Speaker 1: is that it would take him fifteen hours to earn

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Speaker 1: one dollar for every seat at the MCG. And everything

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Speaker 1: big must be measured according to the MCG. So I

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Speaker 1: believe I've done the maths correctly on that. And anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's move on because we'll be talking about Edwin Nue

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Speaker 1: in not too long. Considering that is certainly the big

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Speaker 1: in a year in which Lewis Heldon's changed teams. This

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Speaker 1: still ranks among the biggest news items of the entire season.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with our, of course, top five stories

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Speaker 1: of the week you may have missed certainly in the

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Speaker 1: shadow of the Adrian new In news, and let's start

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Speaker 1: with something that happens, in fact sort of in his wake,

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Speaker 1: because Ferrari has announced that former Mercedes engineer Loix Serra

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Speaker 1: has become its new technical director or will become its

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Speaker 1: new technical director by next July, replacing surprise, surprise, the

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Speaker 1: aston Martin bound Enrico Carddi Lee and I suppose taking

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Speaker 1: the role that Ferrari might have hoped or thought at

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Speaker 1: one point might have been taken by Newie himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lok Sarah has been in and around Formula One

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Speaker 2: for a long time. Originally started with Michelin doing sort

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Speaker 2: went to Sober and then when they pulled out, he

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Speaker 2: remit's going to be pret sizable because it's not just

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Speaker 2: what's it going to be head of Chassis or technical

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Speaker 2: which I guess makes sense if you're if you're poaching

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Speaker 1: Little bit of news floating around about Sauba and more,

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Speaker 1: in particular the future Audi team that it will become

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Speaker 1: Mati Banotto, the new team princil has been speaking or

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Speaker 1: is speaking at the Italian Grand Prix, his home race

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Speaker 1: many respects. I said a couple of different things. One

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Speaker 1: is that the driver search is very much still open.

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Speaker 1: While valtrie Potas is expected to be the front runner,

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Speaker 1: he's said that still in the frame. He's both reserve

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Speaker 1: with ODDI CEO Gernard Dolna. Goodness, I've pronounced that correctly,

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Speaker 1: blowing out the timeline for Audi's expected success from only

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Speaker 2: makes sense, doesn't it. Our The AUDI project much of

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Speaker 2: its current failings are of its own making, even though

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Speaker 2: it's only taking control of it. The fact sort of

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to that. That's a very long.

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Speaker 2: Reference in We're not even ten minutes in and the

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to some driving news. You thought you'd

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Speaker 1: seen the last of Christian Mansel this year after the

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Speaker 1: F three season included. You're wrong, because he's moving up

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Speaker 1: finished fifth in the Formula three Championship, which concluded a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good news for Christian makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's looking at doing Formula two next year. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: name is stank Roman Stanek has left that team, so

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Speaker 1: Not the only movement in Formula two, though, because Oliver

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Speaker 1: the suspended Kevin Magnuson. Magnuson, you remember, has reached his

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Speaker 1: we'll get this rare second chance, but now one at

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Speaker 1: the team. He'll be racing for full time next season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that again makes perfect sense. Almost immediately that

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Speaker 2: it was obvious that Baerman was going to be in

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Speaker 2: there's just sort of a logical progression and all that,

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Speaker 2: no big expectations. He's not going to be scoring eighth

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Speaker 1: And finally to Daniel Ricardo, who has emphasized that he

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Speaker 1: secure of what could be a critical double header that's

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Speaker 1: likely to see some decisions made on Redwood's four car

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Speaker 2: So there seems to be a correlation issue there. Daniel

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Speaker 2: But in terms of the importance of the next weekend,

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Speaker 2: I actually argue that they're not that important. The decision

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Speaker 1: Matt. We'll get to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix a little

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Speaker 1: big news of the week and one of the big

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Speaker 1: work on the rule changes for twenty twenty six. I

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Speaker 1: think surprising Matt was not necessarily that he's going to

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Speaker 1: that he's moving there with a commitment that seems considerably

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Speaker 1: larger than the one he's leaving behind at Red Bull Racing,

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Speaker 1: enormous phote of confidence for the people that asked Martin,

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Speaker 1: who must have this year been thinking, ah, all that

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Speaker 1: optimism last year feels very much in the distance.

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Speaker 2: It is, And this is something that it's not the

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Speaker 2: the things I'm about to say, but I'm sure when

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Speaker 2: he was at Williams, one of the sicking points that

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Speaker 2: degree of input, and that basically came down to a

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Speaker 2: the door to McLaren, not that he had that. Theirs

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Speaker 2: is the first time that Adrian you will effectively be

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Speaker 2: a team owner only obviously a minor team owner, but

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Speaker 2: a team owner nonetheless. But it is a huge vote

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Speaker 2: of confidence. At the same time, the big change, as

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Speaker 2: two pictures. And you know, the comment is they're the

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Speaker 2: same picture. You've got two of the greatest of all

432
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Speaker 2: time in the same team in the twilight of their career.

433
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest. You know, Adrian Newe sixty five, Fernando

434
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Speaker 2: is pretty close to that himself, and you know, you

435
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Speaker 2: just feel that for once, despite all his maneuvering, Fernando

436
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: might have actually tripped up and found himself in the

437
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Speaker 2: right place at the right time. Because red Bull seems

438
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Speaker 2: to be going backwards. McLaren Actually red Bull, he almost

439
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Speaker 2: joined red Bull, we learned twenty thousand and eight, but

440
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Speaker 2: they couldn't get that deal across alone. So red Bull

441
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Speaker 2: seems to be going backwards. There's a little bit of

442
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Speaker 2: upeople there. Mercedes question marks around that. Ferrari is inconsistent.

443
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: McLaren seems positive, but you know, can it translate what

444
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Speaker 2: it's got into new regulations set Aston Martin has a

445
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Speaker 2: really solidly driver. I still have massive concerns around the

446
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Speaker 2: continuation of Lance Strong in the second car. But they've

447
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Speaker 2: got a strong technical team, they've got strong resources behind

448
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Speaker 2: them in terms of the facilities they've got, and that's

449
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Speaker 2: only going to get better because they get a new

450
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Speaker 2: wind tunnel. You know, by the end of the year

451
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Speaker 2: early next year, the twenty six arrow is going to

452
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Speaker 2: be developed at a brand new wind tunnel, the most

453
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Speaker 2: advanced wind tunnel in Formula One, with the biggest arrow

454
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Speaker 2: brain in Formula One, with the bloke who used to

455
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Speaker 2: work alongside him heading up the technical department in dan Fellows.

456
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of pieces and the pall unit.

457
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty bloody good combination. So if you're a

458
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Speaker 2: betting man, yeah, go and put a fiver on on

459
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Speaker 2: Fernando Alonso being becoming the oldest man to win a

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Speaker 2: Formula Word World Championship, Sin Fangio, because it's a very

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Speaker 2: distinct possibility. I think that's a really good that's a

462
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Speaker 2: really good little shower. It's it's and this is why

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Speaker 2: I'm excited, because it's not we're not just talking about

464
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Speaker 2: someone challenging Red Bull or Mercedes and Rebel McLaren's. We've

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Speaker 2: now got Aston Martin. We're talking about half the grid,

466
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Speaker 2: five teams that could win not just races, but challenge

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Speaker 2: for world championships. That's that's that's absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on now, Matt to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix

469
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Speaker 1: this weekend, the glorious nine pm Australian Eastern starting time,

470
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Speaker 1: so get excited for that. Normally he is quite a

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Speaker 1: good race too, so it's a good one to have

472
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Speaker 1: in a slightly more friendly time zone for Austraight even

473
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Speaker 1: better if you're in Perth. But you've had it good

474
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Speaker 1: most of the year Perths, so I'm not going to

475
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Speaker 1: talk too much about that. But in a continuation of

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Speaker 1: that Adrian Newey talk, I suppose I want to start

477
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Speaker 1: with Red Bull Racing, who is in what I guess

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Speaker 1: we can start to call a little bit of a crisis.

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Speaker 1: Certainly considering the way that they were talking after the

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Speaker 1: Italian Grand Prix, Max saying both championships and we already

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Speaker 1: know the constructors Championship has risk, but him saying that

482
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of confidence he can defend

483
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Speaker 1: the driver's championship. Considering there's a sixty two point buffer. Still,

484
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Speaker 1: that's pretty dire prediction, and Christian Horner, obviously admitting as

485
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Speaker 1: much as as is clear from the team's performances, has

486
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Speaker 1: now gone six races without a victory. Adrian knew he

487
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Speaker 1: brings success to every team he goes to, but also

488
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Speaker 1: brings failure to every team he leaves. Because Williams is

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Speaker 1: yet to win the championship since he left McLaren's one

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Speaker 1: only one since he left Red Bull Racings client has

491
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Speaker 1: started since he resigned. Now, I think it's probably too

492
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Speaker 1: much to draw a direct line between those things. But

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Speaker 1: the longer the struggles continue, the further away it gets

494
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Speaker 1: from the influence of Adrian. Youu obviously, so there is

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Speaker 1: still something in that and this will be quite a

496
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Speaker 1: significant test for Red Bull, I think, as every race

497
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Speaker 1: will be released the end of the season considering how

498
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Speaker 1: dire things were in Monso. Admittedly that is a pretty

499
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Speaker 1: unique track, but this is a street circuit, a pretty

500
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Speaker 1: wild street circuit, but nonetheless, and that is the type

501
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Speaker 1: of track that this car definitely doesn't like. Doesn't like

502
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Speaker 1: riding curves, doesn't like bumpy services, doesn't like having to

503
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Speaker 1: compromise its ride height and this track is quite undulating

504
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Speaker 1: through that middle sector. At least there's a very big

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Speaker 1: ascent that counts as undulation. I think there are quite

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Speaker 1: a lot of hurdles if you're looking at this from

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Speaker 1: the red Bull perspective to perform this weekend. Contrast that

508
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Speaker 1: with the fact this is the most successful team but

509
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Speaker 1: this track, and it feels the most successful driver ever

510
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Speaker 1: in the history of Baku being Sergio Perez. The raining

511
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Speaker 1: as of a Jan Grand Prix winner, any driver to

512
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Speaker 1: have won this race twice suspects only one of those

513
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: scenarios is going to continue, and Matt I'm willing to

514
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Speaker 1: say it's not going to be pair is winning again.

515
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Speaker 2: It's It's quite a thing, that, isn't it. That is

516
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Speaker 2: a magnificent statistic that Sergio Perrys is the most successful

517
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: driver the as a Boshine corroberate. Not to class dispersions

518
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: about him, we know that the form struggles that he's

519
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: had over the year, over the last year or so,

520
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: probably more the last nine months to be fair to him,

521
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, this is this is significant. The constructors Championship

522
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: is likely to change hands at the end of this weekend.

523
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: McLaren's eight points back there Driver's Championships a little bit

524
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Speaker 2: further away, and there's all sorts of all sorts of

525
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: conversations that we had there. You know, is it doable?

526
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Speaker 2: Does McLaren need to be sacrificing Oscar for it? Just

527
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Speaker 2: how bad is Red Bull? This weekend is going to

528
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Speaker 2: give us a really good in the cation and then

529
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Speaker 2: a week later into Singapore, because these are two events that,

530
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: as you say, shouldn't suit Rebul at all. So you

531
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Speaker 2: can realistically go into this weekend thinking they're probably going

532
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Speaker 2: to be if they're doing well, maybe third best team.

533
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Speaker 2: If they're doing poorly, fourth best team, anything better than

534
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Speaker 2: the third best team, If they're sort of on the

535
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Speaker 2: second orld of the grid somewhere, then the probably outperformed expectations.

536
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Speaker 2: The weather will be a big one as well, because

537
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Speaker 2: that will influence the performance of others. And I'm just

538
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Speaker 2: going to quickly look at the weather in Azerbaijan as

539
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Speaker 2: I as I try not to type O this and

540
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Speaker 2: talk at the same time. The weather's going to be warm,

541
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Speaker 2: so I would suggest that will play in favor of McLaren.

542
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: It won't help, won't help me say this too much.

543
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: It prefers it to be a little bit cooler. Ferraris

544
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Speaker 2: of wild Card. I mean the upgrades in Monso, where

545
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Speaker 2: they were they Monza specific? Will they work swear that's

546
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: that's a big unknown. But yeah, I mean McLaren goes

547
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: in favorites. It's it's that simple, and given that you

548
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: have to probably put on balance Oscar Pastria's favorite with

549
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: the caveat that. We don't know what they're going to

550
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: do with with the Indigo instruction or the fire rules

551
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: or the or the aqua authority or whatever they're going

552
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Speaker 2: to call it.

553
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Speaker 1: This week needed alliteration, didn't it. The proprior promulgation.

554
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: Maybe would have been a better Yeah, better way to

555
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Speaker 2: do propri a proclamation.

556
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Speaker 1: Yes, so there you go. That's it policy even there

557
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Speaker 1: we go, there we go. It's funny, but it sounds better.

558
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Speaker 2: So we're going to end up with jobs at McLaren here.

559
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Speaker 2: We're going to have to take a thousand points off

560
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: ourselves in the Alternative Championship because that's what you did

561
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Speaker 2: to the McLaren manager. Came up with papyor rules.

562
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Speaker 1: Yes, well that's true, you know we do stick to it.

563
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Then it's only for I think we lose Oscar Piastre

564
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Speaker 1: is in the best form, though you're right, three of

565
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: the last four races he's been undoubtedly the best McLaren drive.

566
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Speaker 1: Actually saw a statistic this week that he's been the

567
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Speaker 1: highest before a highest scoring driver since the Monaco Grand Prix,

568
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Speaker 1: which's a lot of the year.

569
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Speaker 2: Now.

570
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Speaker 1: It feels like about one hundred years ago Grand Prix

571
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Speaker 1: was run, so it's certainly a long time. He's been

572
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Speaker 1: doing very well and that speaks to us. I think

573
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Speaker 1: we talked about last week why it's been so difficult

574
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Speaker 1: for McLaren to arrive at the decision to Backlando Norris

575
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Speaker 1: perhaps although we increasingly expect them to do it this week,

576
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Speaker 1: although we expect them to do it in Monza as well,

577
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Speaker 1: and they didn't because Norris hasn't on track shown himself

578
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Speaker 1: to be a driver of a magnitude better than Piastre

579
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Speaker 1: than his points advantage suggests. Because really all we have

580
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Speaker 1: to do is change. For example, the Miami Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: result had Piastre finished ahead of Norris as he was

582
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Speaker 1: on track to before the safety car, and even if

583
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Speaker 1: he'd scored points rather than punted out by Carla Science,

584
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Speaker 1: that's a big, big percentage of that I think it's

585
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Speaker 1: about thirty points thirty odd points between them that would

586
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Speaker 1: be closed immediately. And then there are all sorts above

587
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Speaker 1: a little example, Silverston being another one where team strategy

588
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Speaker 1: costs him much more than Norris, where suddenly that point's

589
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Speaker 1: capitalok much smaller. And it's sort of an interesting thought experiment.

590
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Speaker 1: If they did arrive at this point much closer on points,

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Speaker 1: let's say ten points or less, as I think their

592
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: performance probably deserve, would we still be having this conversation

593
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Speaker 1: about backing Norris. It'd still be in an advantageous position.

594
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Speaker 1: But he's ten points enough to prioritize a driver like

595
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: what is the threshold? And if team orders don't come

596
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: into play this weekend or Piastre is just let's say,

597
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: far enough ahead that it's too hard to influence those results,

598
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Speaker 1: can he change that picture just by perhaps winning or

599
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: finishing far enough ahead of Norris that he does have

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Speaker 1: a fairly big point swing in his favor.

601
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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to adopt my team principles here,

602
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: pretend I'm Andrea stellar from it. I don't think it's

603
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Speaker 2: worth as considering those hypotheticals, because they're not It's not

604
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: the world that we're dealing with right now. We're dealing

605
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Speaker 2: with the fact that Oscar is thirtyd points back from Lando,

606
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Speaker 2: who in turn sixty odd points back from Max. Both

607
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: are mathematically in contention for the championship. The odds are

608
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: more favorable to Lando, even if they are slim. So

609
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm personally firmly in favor of working for Lando, and

610
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Speaker 2: I say that for a couple of reasons. It's not

611
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Speaker 2: just because I think Lando deserves a world championship. Nobody

612
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: deserves all a championship. There's twenty guys on that grid

613
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: who are bloody good racing drives, and I don't care

614
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: who they are. If they' Franco Colopint or Lewis Hamilton,

615
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: they are bloody good racing drivers, every one of them

616
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: far better than you or I. Yeah, they might look

617
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: a little bit silly at times, but we're talking tiny

618
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: percentage differences between the talent, and it's just being exaggerated

619
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Speaker 2: because it is so competitive. So these guys none of

620
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: them deserve anything at that level. They need to go

621
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: out there and they need to claim it and win

622
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: it themselves. But if you can do something to increase

623
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: your old that I think that's that's appropriate, and that's

624
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: fair and reasonable, and I think the reason why, one

625
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: of the reasons why McLaren should do that is, Yes,

626
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: the Constructors Championship is where the money is, but the

627
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: prestige is where the Driver's Championship is. And not only

628
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: do you get prestige, but you can then sell that

629
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: you know you get No one remembers the Constructors Championship.

630
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: No one remembers who won the nineteen I'm going to

631
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: try and pick a year that it was different from

632
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one. No one remembers that Mercedes won

633
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: the Constructors Championship. Everyone remembers that Maxi Stefan won the

634
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: drivers Championship. So winning that you're going to get your

635
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: prize money cash in and it gets forgotten about. If

636
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: you win the Drivers' Championship, you can sell that. You

637
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: can sell that to sponsors and partners, and there's a marketing.

638
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: There is a very real difference that that can make

639
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: in terms of the team and its finances, to share

640
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: holds and all that sort of stuff. There's also the morale.

641
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: There's also that the bragging rights. There's the swagger that

642
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Lando will get and will make him walk a couple

643
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: of inches taller through the paddict, So those intangibles on

644
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Speaker 2: top of the financials are also worth pursuing. And the

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: other part of me, and there's a little bit I

646
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Speaker 2: almost I don't know chardon freud is the right word here,

647
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: but part of me thinks that head to head, Lando

648
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Speaker 2: is ahead of Oscar as an overall driver at the moment,

649
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Speaker 2: but I don't think that will last forever. I think

650
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Speaker 2: Oscar has a far higher ceiling and I think it's

651
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Speaker 2: only a matter of time before Oscar reaches that potential

652
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: and surpasses Lando. Now, whether that's happening as we speak,

653
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: and they're sort of so close that maybe Oscar's a

654
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: little bit ahead, or whether that happens next year or

655
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: the year after, at some point that change will happen.

656
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: This may be Lando's only opportunity because at some point,

657
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Speaker 2: if that does happen and McLaren finds herself in a

658
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: championship tending the situation again, Sorry, Land, I don't care.

659
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: If you're a world champion, you're working for Oscar now.

660
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: He's the statistically better chance of the world championship. And

661
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: that's the way if I was running McLaren that's the

662
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Speaker 2: way I'll do it. I wouldn't manufacture scenarios where I

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Speaker 2: moved Oscar behind. If it made a material difference to

664
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Speaker 2: the championship, i'd do it. But if we're talking swapping

665
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: seventh and eighth, no, not going to make any sort

666
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: of meaningful difference, not this far out. Maybe in Abu

667
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: Dhabi I'll do that. But you know, if it's first

668
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Speaker 2: and second, sorry Oscar, you drive for the team, and

669
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Speaker 2: that's awkward that it's uncomfortable to hear, and it's not

670
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Speaker 2: going to be a popular opinion, particularly not in the

671
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: in the Mark webercamp. But I think it's one. It's

672
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Speaker 2: pragmatic and there's a bigger picture here than Oscar Piastre's feelings.

673
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: And I say that as a massive Oscar fan and

674
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Speaker 2: I want to see him winning. I want to see

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Speaker 2: him win world championships because I'm Australian and I think

676
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: the kid is pretty bloody good. He doesn't deserve the

677
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: World Championship because none of them do. As I previously,

678
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Speaker 2: he's going to go and earn it, but I think

679
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: he has the potential to go and earn that. I

680
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: don't know that Lando in the same caras Oscar in

681
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Speaker 2: a couple of years will have that same possibility.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how they play this weekend.

683
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: The circumstance may just never come up and we won't

684
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Speaker 1: have to talk about it, or potentially will it be

685
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: something as obvious as swapping positions or will it simply

686
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: be done through strategy. That's all to be decided. Very

687
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: quick quiz for you, Matt before we move on to

688
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Speaker 1: the alternative championship working mats that I haven't written up,

689
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: but we'll be written up this week or next out

690
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Fox sports dot com. That are you greatest comebacks in

691
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: history of Formula One? Now, they're hard to calculate because

692
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: obviously points systems are always different. Context of Razor is different. Obviously,

693
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: as we've talked about before, Jim Clark's never won a

694
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: sprint race and what does that do for his status

695
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: as a greater Formula one.

696
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: Now Alberto Ascaria was never a Formula one world champion.

697
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Disgusting, terrible. I don't know why we talk about him,

698
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: but we talk about Norris being a long shot for

699
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Speaker 1: the champion. He figures he's not even in the top

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: five of greatest comeback so it depends on how you

701
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: calculate it, of course. Now I think the difficulty for

702
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: him is that he has to be very good over

703
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: eight rounds still, and it's that consistency that makes it difficult,

704
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Speaker 1: more so than the points gap. Biggest points comeback by

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Speaker 1: my calculation, Matt, what would you expect it to have been?

706
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Speaker 2: Um? Okay, biggest point? I reckon it was Vettel in

707
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Speaker 2: twenty ten.

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00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I've done the calculations for that. That's actually of lesser

709
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: difficulty than Lando Norris's comeback. That was thirty one points

710
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: in six rounds, same point system as well, so it's

711
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: roughly half as difficult. He only needed five points one

712
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: six points per round to overturn it. I'll tell you

713
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: the most difficult one, Kimmy or Aichen in two thousand

714
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: and seven, seventeen points in two rounds, which you were

715
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Speaker 1: just at for current points because that was only ten

716
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: points per victory. Then he would have needed forty two

717
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Speaker 1: and a half points in two rounds. Twenty one point

718
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: two point turnaround in two weeks, which is what's that

719
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: If Norris needs eight, that's like nearly three times as difficult,

720
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Speaker 1: and then they are very James Hunt Allan Pross, Nelson,

721
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: p kkk Rosberg all had more difficult points turnaround.

722
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: James Hunts is a bit of a misnower though, because.

723
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, because obviously his title rival in the

724
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Speaker 1: final round.

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00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: That's true, and it was also missing for a couple

726
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: of rounds as well during the year, you know, have

727
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: having crashed out. Yeah, so yeah, put an asterisk next

728
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: to that one.

729
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: That's a good point. But the points turnaround still stood.

730
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: He needed to have many points, but that is that

731
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: is a good point. But the rest of them all

732
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: in a like for like point for point sense more

733
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: difficult than Norris's comeback. So anyone who's saying, well it's

734
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: too much of a long shot, well it is a

735
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: long shot because, as I said, it's a length of

736
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: time he needs to conduct that turnaround. He needs to

737
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Speaker 1: be good for eight races and he needs Max to

738
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Speaker 1: be behind him for eight races essentially, but has been

739
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: done before on a points per points basis. But let's

740
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: move on now, map to really what we're all here for,

741
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: and that is the Oldternative Championship. With eight races to

742
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: go in this Formula One season, I'm happy for you

743
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: to kick this one off ahead of the Azerbaijian Grand Prix.

744
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm a big fan of the alternative Championship where

745
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: we just arbitrarily award points for well arbitrary reasons. So

746
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to kick it off, and I'm going to

747
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: kick it off in a really good, feel good sort

748
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: of way and make a warm and fuzzy I'm going

749
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: to give three points to Christian Mansel for making a

750
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: really good, smart, shrewd career move. You know, it's a

751
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: free hit for him. We mentioned it up the top,

752
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: and I just like to see. I like to support

753
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: kids who are giving it a go. He's not a

754
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: member of you know, an academy. It's his family supporting him,

755
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: him going out raising the money. Yeah, he's doing it

756
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: on his own and he's done a pretty good job

757
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: so far. So Yeah, three points for Christian Mansel to

758
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: get us rolling.

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: That's great. I like that a lot. I'm a big

760
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: fan of that. I'm going to give this is the

761
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: maybe also the most positive I don't know, is it

762
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: the most positive ever been? That's someone I'm not sure.

763
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Maybe the most rewarding anyway for asking and receiving for

764
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: fundamentally knowing your audience and playing them well. To Adrian Newey,

765
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Speaker 1: I'm giving fifty nine million points because he went in

766
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: he went into Aston Martin and he said, I know

767
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: there's money around here. Fifty nine million dollars. Matt doesn't

768
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: strike me as a number that was negotiated down, and

769
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: so I think he knew exactly who's talking. He was

770
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: talking to Lawrence Strall's got a lot of money. He said,

771
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: this is what I want, and Laurence said sure, And

772
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: now he's getting that amount according to the BBC, fifty

773
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: nine million dollars a year. And that's how many points

774
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: he's getting from me.

775
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: Wow, that's uh yeah right, that's that's going to take

776
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: some beating in it.

777
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: But I think in real life as it will too.

778
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it. He's better paid the most drivers,

779
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: not quite all drivers, but most drivers.

780
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Well, actually, this is my alternative here was owned. I

781
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: was only going to give him forty two points, but

782
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: I decided he deserved more than that, because if.

783
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: You put it in generous in fairness, then.

784
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: I was generous. Maybe I should change my mind, but no,

785
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: it's too late. Now I've committed forty two. If you

786
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: were to look at the Forbes top athletic top earners

787
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: among athletes looking only at their salaries and not their endorsements,

788
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: because the Angentine who's a technical director doesn't have too

789
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: many endorsements. It would be forty second, the forty second

790
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: top earning athletes in the entire world because of the

791
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: amount of money he's up to earn a going to

792
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: that BBC report, which is really it just puts into

793
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: himas I think the only Formula One drivers to be

794
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: earning more than him would be Hamilton and Vestafa. And

795
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: I haven't seen many reports about what people think of

796
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: feral Alonso is earning, but it is a remarkable amount

797
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: of money.

798
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: It's disappointed he wasn't in the top twenty five yet

799
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: should have gone in there asking for more. Probably would

800
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: have gone it probably could have probably could have squeezed

801
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: him for another three or four mill without even raising eyebrows.

802
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: It's good shout, it's good shot. I'm actually going to

803
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: stick with Aston Martin for my next points. But where

804
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: you've given points, I'm going to take them away and

805
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to take them away for Lance Stroll because

806
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: it's just just in general for I don't know if

807
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: you watched the press conference. He looked for a guy

808
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: who is inherently invested in that team. It was quite

809
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: an imposition for him to be there.

810
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Gave that impression, didn't he that it was his rostered

811
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: day off and he'd been asked to come in away.

812
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, never mind that dad owns the company and

813
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: therefore probably so to see somewhere along alone. But yeah,

814
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to be generous. So I'm going to you know,

815
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: maybe it was too early in the morning or something

816
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to take. I mean, it was eleven o'clock,

817
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: but I'm going to take five points off Lance Stroll

818
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: for for not being more interested in what should have

819
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: been a huge, huge announcement.

820
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: There's a subtle difference, isn't there between being inherently invested

821
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: in having your inheritance invested. I think is maybe the

822
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: thing he was grappling with.

823
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: That of my money exactly right.

824
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Also, sticking with Aston Martin, I was struggling to know

825
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: how many points this was worth. I think I've used

826
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: a lot of my points allocation this week already. I'm

827
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: going to stick with one point to Lawrence Stroll, mostly

828
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: for the pinstripe suit. But I think I was thinking

829
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: was watching the press conference, we don't spend a lot

830
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: of times I was saying earlier on. I think in

831
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: the podcast, we don't spend a lot of time with

832
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Lawrence strolled so idly being relatively hands on from an

833
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: ownership perspective. Anyway, in Aston Martin and I actually think

834
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Speaker 1: if AsTMa On does end up being successful as we

835
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: now expect it to be, because it's got Adrian Newey

836
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: on board, he's really going to feel I'm I'm not

837
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: sure how I want to describe it. Is it the

838
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: villain role of Formula One or he's sort of like

839
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: he is the team owner. I think any sports person

840
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: outside of Formula one expects a big business like Formula

841
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: One to have. He's like this rich guy. He looks

842
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: he's a big, burly man like. He looks like a

843
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: strong man like. I don't know, I'm just we don't

844
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: formul one doesn't have people like him in it. And

845
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: I actually think that one s Aston Martin's successful, we're

846
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: going to benefit a lot from having him as this

847
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: sort of whack He's probably not the word, is it,

848
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: but this is just some unusual character. And I think

849
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: the pinstripe suit really summed it up for me. So

850
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: that's one point to Lawrence.

851
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: He's larger than life. It's sort of a throwback to

852
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: the seventies guys like sort of Lord Heskerth and Ken

853
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Tyrrell and these these big characters of the sport. Yeah,

854
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: I like I like that. You know, we need better.

855
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Than just a board of management, I think, and I do.

856
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: I think large than life. You've actually nailed it. I

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Speaker 1: think that's really the phrase I was looking for. He's much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Look, I don't say it's bad for the sport.

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Speaker 2: I really don't do to inject some personality, to inject

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Speaker 2: a bit of swagger, a bit of cockiness, a bit

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Speaker 2: of confident. You know, it's it's good. You want that bravado,

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Speaker 2: It's it's fantastic. It's a bit of an Asta Martin Whitewash. Then,

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Speaker 2: with the exception of Christian Mansel. Then, because I don't

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Speaker 2: know what your last last guess is, but I've I've

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Speaker 2: awarded Aston Martin just straight Aston Martin some some points.

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Speaker 2: And I did this thinking that I could rock at

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Speaker 2: them to the top of the championship standings. I have

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Speaker 2: failed at that by a little way. In fairness because

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Speaker 2: I've awarded Aston Martin twenty twenty four points because I

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Speaker 2: thought that won the year. It doesn't matter in the

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Speaker 2: championship standing is what they do. They've got the biggest,

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Speaker 2: you know, the biggest fish in the in the pond,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four points for Aston Martin. That would have

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Speaker 2: rocketed them to the top of the standings, above Yuki Snowder.

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Speaker 2: Now I mean once again they've slipped down the order

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, look at that, even despite best expectations. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that funny how quickly Lewis Hamilton's just been shaded. I

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Speaker 1: know it was a long time ago now, but it is.

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Speaker 1: Really it just underlines how remarkabl it is for Adrian

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Speaker 1: new moving teams. Let me bring it home, not an

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Speaker 1: Aston Martin vote. This is twenty eight points off Alex

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Speaker 1: Elbon for declaring that Williams can be winning races as

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Speaker 1: regularly by twenty seven, just twenty eight months away. There's

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Speaker 1: the number. Not because of the optimism like I think

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Speaker 1: that's fine, may not even be that outlandish, but for

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Speaker 1: James Vows not being across that, disagreeing with it and

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Speaker 1: saying I didn't realize Alex said that Kriichi was his response.

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Speaker 1: I just like that. He's more optimistic than even James

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Speaker 1: Vows is a pretty optimistic team boss. But he certainly

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Speaker 1: set the bar high now for Williams to reach that.

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Speaker 2: The question is is he set the bar high or

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Speaker 2: is James at the bar low.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's true, you could look at it both ways.

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Speaker 1: Point should have come off, James Valles.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at this rate you're going to both trip

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Speaker 2: and hit your head over those boat over those barriers.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't have been stored two bars.

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Speaker 2: That's it. You can only fail now. Yeah, Look, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot to be said for Williams and the carryings

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Speaker 2: on of that team in recent weeks, and there's just

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Speaker 2: a disconnect developing. There isn't there. It's just just doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem the cohesive team.

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Speaker 1: Well, wait and see until twenty twenty seven, only twenty

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Speaker 1: eight months away. Because for now that's all the time

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Speaker 1: we have a pit Talk, but we will be back

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Speaker 1: next week of course, to wrap up the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.

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