Speaker 1: Gooday, and welcome back to Drafted talking all things super
Speaker 1: Coach Draft. It's your boy DOSSI here joined by my
Speaker 1: good friends in Super Coach Draft, leg Dog and Patch
Speaker 1: back again for the final episode of Drafted before the
Speaker 1: season starts. Because guys, it's going to be Draft day
Speaker 1: any day now, Leckdog.
Speaker 2: It has come around very quickly.
Speaker 3: I think I've got two drafts this weekend, maybe three,
Speaker 3: and I'm currently in one as we're recording.
Speaker 2: It's draft season. It's all happening.
Speaker 1: It is all happening. Patch. How about you, mate, Have
Speaker 1: you got some drafts coming up this weekend? I mean
Speaker 1: I think so. We're recording Wednesday night. This will probably
Speaker 1: go up sometime on Thursday, just to make sure that
Speaker 1: we get enough info out there for draft weekend. But
Speaker 1: heading into this weekend, the practice matches are in full
Speaker 1: swing and it's time to draft.
Speaker 4: Oh it's Christmas time, honestly, Like it's just the best
Speaker 4: time of the year. Why would you ever want to
Speaker 4: be the middle of November? You know, looking at cricket,
Speaker 4: O cares about that, Like, it's all about this weekend.
Speaker 4: It's all about drafts. Yeah, get excited, everyone, Get hope.
Speaker 1: Very Keen, we've done obviously all our rankings episodes now
Speaker 1: they're a couple of weeks old, and immediately there's about
Speaker 1: a thousand adjustments we have to do. Of course, if
Speaker 1: you do want to see all our latest articles on
Speaker 1: draft that Lecdog's been putting together and the team at
Speaker 1: super Coach have been putting together a lot of top
Speaker 1: one hundred ranks, adjusted draft boards, all the likes and
Speaker 1: the thing that we're going to be talking about today
Speaker 1: as well our mock draft that we recently did with
Speaker 1: a bunch of members of the Super Coach community. Head
Speaker 1: over to Code Sports you can check all those articles out.
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Speaker 1: so really Keen, and thanks for your support. We know
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Speaker 1: all that. Now, guys, what we're going to be going
Speaker 1: through today. I want to go through our adjustments first
Speaker 1: and sort of a reminder for anyone that has not
Speaker 1: been keeping too much of an eye on but have
Speaker 1: their draft this weekend. Let's talk about some of the
Speaker 1: recent injuries and then some of the older injuries that
Speaker 1: people need to keep an eye on. So Lekdog, we
Speaker 1: talked about your ranks throughout this preseason series. I want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on how far you shuffle these
Speaker 1: guys down in your ranks and what we think about.
Speaker 1: I'll just run through a bunch of the recent injuries
Speaker 1: because there is a lot, and there might even be
Speaker 1: more after we record. We're recording during the game tonight
Speaker 1: that's going on between Richmond and Collingwood. So these are
Speaker 1: just the ones that we've had so far. Zach Butter's
Speaker 1: going to miss the start of the season, Tom Green
Speaker 1: if he as well. Callum mill is going to be
Speaker 1: out to Round four. Mark Pittnett's not going to start
Speaker 1: the season. Brody Grundy today, we don't know the severity
Speaker 1: of that injury. Just keep an eye out on that
Speaker 1: as well. Hayden Young's re injured a hammy, going to
Speaker 1: miss the start of the season at least round one
Speaker 1: is what we've been hearing, and then ed Richard's touch
Speaker 1: and go for round one. But that's just a few.
Speaker 1: We might have even missed some there.
Speaker 4: There's probably Brody Grundy out with well, maybe out with
Speaker 4: a knee. We don't know. Mark Pittnett will be missing
Speaker 4: for a little bit. Ron Marshall, who knows what's going
Speaker 4: on with him, Like, honestly, we could let you go
Speaker 4: on like like and I can go to the pub
Speaker 4: for a beer and then come back and you'd still
Speaker 4: probably just be wrapping up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Lack, it's insane. What are you doing with
Speaker 1: these names? How far do you shuffle them down? And
Speaker 1: obviously dependent on the player and the injury.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on each one.
Speaker 3: I mean they all get a negative bump if they're injured,
Speaker 3: they get a positive bump, if they're TDK a slight
Speaker 3: positive bump because of the lack of Pittnet for the
Speaker 3: first potentially six rounds.
Speaker 2: It's right, so someone's going to.
Speaker 3: Take these guys around where they probably were ranked anyway.
Speaker 3: So for instance, Zach Barters, I had ranked as my
Speaker 3: fourth top four sort of player. I bumped him down
Speaker 3: to ninth or tenth, because we're still not sure on
Speaker 3: what that injury actually is, or what it looks like,
Speaker 3: or how long it will affect him. I'd be willing
Speaker 3: to take the risk at the sort of the back
Speaker 3: end of a first round. I do suspect he probably
Speaker 3: goes earlier than that. In most drafts. He probably still
Speaker 3: goes in the top six. Callum Mills I never had
Speaker 3: really in my rankings considering, so I kind of thought
Speaker 3: he might get injured that he did. Tom Green did
Speaker 3: get a relatively big bump from me, just because we
Speaker 3: know he's going to miss at least a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks in the real stuff. We don't love that. And
Speaker 3: then Hayden Young is so recent I haven't even been
Speaker 3: able to bump him down because it's literally happened as
Speaker 3: we've covered it. I didn't even know about Brody Grundy.
Speaker 3: So there is you do take a hit to these guys.
Speaker 3: I guess the risk with a Butters and a Green.
Speaker 3: I'm still willing to take them in the first for
Speaker 3: Butters and second round for Green, just because when they're
Speaker 3: back they will produce really well. It's just how long
Speaker 3: you can cover them. And also the midfield. Pure mids
Speaker 3: do lack in depth, so they do get bumps, but
Speaker 3: you can still feel okay about taking them.
Speaker 4: How do you judge someone like Semi Flanders who's just
Speaker 4: kind of been under a weird cloud or preseason we've
Speaker 4: heard very little out of the Gold Coasters to whether
Speaker 4: he's fit, or if he's training, or if he's in rehab,
Speaker 4: or like how bad the injury is. How do you
Speaker 4: judge someone like that who obviously dropped blow the time
Speaker 4: once last year rolled Gold you know, would be top five,
Speaker 4: top ten in pretty much any draft if it's uninjured,
Speaker 4: what do you do with that? You know? Just void
Speaker 4: of information?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had him twenty sixth when we did the
Speaker 3: top one hundred a few weeks ago, and that was
Speaker 3: largely due to question marks over the role combined with
Speaker 3: the injury twenty six as where I landed him, the
Speaker 3: fact that we still haven't heard anything and we still
Speaker 3: haven't had any conferred reports.
Speaker 2: One or another.
Speaker 3: I've just bumped him back again. He's thirty six on
Speaker 3: my top one hundred. Now, that's like if you're doing
Speaker 3: an eighteen team draft, that's end of second round. If
Speaker 3: you're doing a twelve team draft. That's end of third round,
Speaker 3: and I understand he will probably be taken earlier than
Speaker 3: that by people who look at his average from last year,
Speaker 3: but just too many question marks there. I'd rather take
Speaker 3: it safer, ideally a pure mid pick there, maybe a
Speaker 3: really high in defender if there's one available, instead of
Speaker 3: taking the risk with Flanders.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My, I guess my philosophy has always let someone
Speaker 1: else draft the injured guy, especially especially if there is
Speaker 1: you know, largely a lot of question marks. And this
Speaker 1: is coming from a guy who was very happy to
Speaker 1: draft Sam Flanders, even knowing that he did have those
Speaker 1: sort of injury concerns at the time that we did
Speaker 1: this draft, and I picked him up at eighth overall,
Speaker 1: so I was happy to go there. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: closer that we get to the season, I'm certainly wouldn't
Speaker 1: be as comfortable. As you said. We haven't heard a heap,
Speaker 1: and I think the only thing that I've heard out
Speaker 1: of it was Dim Hardwick was on the Your Coach
Speaker 1: podcast produced by the AFL, and from what he said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long ago they did record that,
Speaker 1: but they were saying that, you know, his back hasn't
Speaker 1: responded essentially, and that they're going to make sure they
Speaker 1: look after him. They hadn't mentioned anything about, you know,
Speaker 1: essentially a timetable, but yeah, he's one to watch some
Speaker 1: older injuries if you have been living under a rock
Speaker 1: in your draft this week as well, Kitty Coleman, he's
Speaker 1: not slated to return for a while as well. So
Speaker 1: he's another guy that I just wouldn't be drafting at
Speaker 1: all unless you're super deep. You've got big benches and
Speaker 1: you can sort of stash those injury players away, and
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't be doing it until later in the draft.
Speaker 1: And Adam Trelaw is a guy who you you actually
Speaker 1: factored his injury into your rankings already, so but yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Was dropped significantly again though yeah it.
Speaker 1: Was so long ago. I even remember half of these injuries.
Speaker 1: So make sure you do check out those articles though,
Speaker 1: as we said in the link in the description, because yeah,
Speaker 1: we've already factored a lot of these things in, but
Speaker 1: we thought we'd touch on them at the top of
Speaker 1: the show. But I want to talk about some other
Speaker 1: adjustments in the positive direction. We've heard a lot since
Speaker 1: we last recorded the ranking shows about you know, different
Speaker 1: players playing different roles, and those guys can sometimes and
Speaker 1: of course who's filling in these injuries, As you said,
Speaker 1: they can sometimes affect where we pick players as well
Speaker 1: in draft. Are there any that have stood out to
Speaker 1: you that you've sort of risen them right up the
Speaker 1: rankings in particular?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, not a lot of jumped super high in
Speaker 3: the rankings, as in the top of the rankings, but
Speaker 3: guys have jumped up from where they were. So guys
Speaker 3: like Liam Duggan, Guys like Will Day, who I had
Speaker 3: a lot of question marks over his body and stuff.
Speaker 3: He's apparently not missed a session this preseason. He's going
Speaker 3: to play pure mid. A few obvious ones. Jye Simpkins
Speaker 3: another guy that I probably underestimated how many forward line
Speaker 3: options we actually do have outside of the big sort
Speaker 3: of four or five guys.
Speaker 2: Ji Simpkin.
Speaker 3: His performance in that preseason the Indigenous game was elite,
Speaker 3: so he got a big bump. And then Jack McCrae.
Speaker 3: I was pretty conservative of him in the first place.
Speaker 3: He at eighty five percent or whatever it was center
Speaker 3: bounds attendance. He gets a bump. But then your boy
Speaker 3: Tom Deconning, let's talk about him. Is he going to
Speaker 3: be the number one rack this year for super Coach Doss.
Speaker 1: He the number one player of all time. I would
Speaker 1: say this season just putting up huge numbers. Yeah, I no,
Speaker 1: not the I'm not going to go as far as that,
Speaker 1: but I have been high on him all pre season.
Speaker 1: I had him number three in my rankings, and this
Speaker 1: was before we knew what the Mark Pittneck situation. Number
Speaker 1: three Rucks. Sorry, of course, number three in the Rucks.
Speaker 1: I've still got gorn and cherry out of him, but
Speaker 1: I've held firm with that rank. I just you know,
Speaker 1: I've just still got that patch last season. Patch. Speak
Speaker 1: to Patch about this, but I've still got that little
Speaker 1: patch in my mind last last season where he just
Speaker 1: went absolutely bonkers, just contested possessions for days. So I'm
Speaker 1: massive on him. Pat though, speaking of Patches, what is
Speaker 1: your thoughts on t DK.
Speaker 4: I'm just worried that, especially with kind of injury concerns
Speaker 4: over Kerno that you know, like kiddo bang out kind
Speaker 4: of a layers out a little bit. But he'll spend
Speaker 4: time forward this year, he'll spend time back. He'll just
Speaker 4: be I think he's a I think he's a good
Speaker 4: draft option I think, you know, you'd be pretty happy
Speaker 4: with him. But someone will go in real early, someone
Speaker 4: will jump in the second round on him, and I'm
Speaker 4: happy to let that person take that risk. I don't
Speaker 4: like I wouldn't be touching him until the third or
Speaker 4: fourth round at the earliest, and by that stage he's gone.
Speaker 4: So it's just he's one of those guys that I
Speaker 4: don't rate as highly as a lot of other people do.
Speaker 4: I think he'll be I think he'd be good. I
Speaker 4: don't think it'd be a bad selection. But I'm not
Speaker 4: jumping on him as early as other people will, and
Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to let them take that risk.
Speaker 4: I'm happy not to have that buy. And I don't
Speaker 4: have any stocks in him this year classical draft, and
Speaker 4: that's that's fine.
Speaker 3: I will say, I'll put my cart and hat on here.
Speaker 3: We have been as fans demanding that the club get
Speaker 3: a backup ruckman for the inevitable hit net injury, because
Speaker 3: there's been concerns that we don't have any backup rock.
Speaker 3: We don't have any backup ruck. So the good news
Speaker 3: is that we literally it's Tom Daconnig and it's Harry
Speaker 3: McKay and it's maybe Jack Sulvanni, but he's a defender
Speaker 3: now and I don't study any intentions, mate. I would
Speaker 3: love if Hudson O'Keefe was the solution to these problems.
Speaker 3: I think he's a jet, but it's not gonna happens.
Speaker 3: It's t DK, at least for the first six or
Speaker 3: seven Weeks's number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I picked him up. Just a flashback to
Speaker 1: the and a bit of a sneak prevy of the
Speaker 1: mock draft we're going to talk about. I picked him up.
Speaker 1: It's picked seventeen. I had to get my boy way
Speaker 1: back then, so I got him in the second round
Speaker 1: to your point, Patch, and I don't know how far
Speaker 1: he'll slip now, especially with this hype coming around him now.
Speaker 1: Some of the guys that I have risen up my
Speaker 1: ranks as well, just some defenders with that mid sort
Speaker 1: of time flag. So you mentioned Dougan as one. I'm
Speaker 1: also pretty high on him going up now. Had to
Speaker 1: sort of see it to believe it, and I've seen
Speaker 1: enough already, even if that is just some grainy intra
Speaker 1: club footage as well on a YouTube live that I
Speaker 1: may have watched the other day. Harry Perriman playing a
Speaker 1: bit more midfield. We're seeing that apparently we are recording
Speaker 1: during the game, but we're seeing that a bit as well.
Speaker 1: And then a Trent Rivers I quite like, risen him
Speaker 1: quite a bit up the rankings as well. Where do
Speaker 1: you sit patch on A Riley Sanders who we've talked
Speaker 1: about Trelaw being out, We've talked about you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about Bevo, but what are you thinking
Speaker 1: we need to talk abouts?
Speaker 4: There have been reams of words written about Bevo's unreliability
Speaker 4: from a fantasy footy perspective for years, and I like,
Speaker 4: we've got so you know, so hypothetically Ed Richards missus
Speaker 4: round one, Trelaura is out, Bailey Dale is say out,
Speaker 4: and then you know, Marcus Bondapelli has a cold. Raleigh
Speaker 4: Standers could still start as the sub. He could still
Speaker 4: just be in the sub's vest despite all of that,
Speaker 4: And they have a center bout like of James Harns
Speaker 4: and Lockie McNeil and some blow Bevo dragged off the
Speaker 4: street three minutes before the game started. Like I again,
Speaker 4: like he's one of those guys. I'm like, he's a
Speaker 4: good footballer and he could score really well, and I
Speaker 4: can see a world where it happens. But somebody else
Speaker 4: will be more keen than me, and I will let
Speaker 4: willing to out have somebody else be more keen and
Speaker 4: they can reap the rewards. And I'll sit back with
Speaker 4: Alex sneelbull. And after three rounds of Sanders scoring one
Speaker 4: hundred and ten, he goes back to the VFL two
Speaker 4: weeks and is then sub and then plays back pocket.
Speaker 4: And meanwhile Alex snowball and has scored eighty five every week.
Speaker 4: And I'd rather that than deal with Bevo. This is
Speaker 4: not This is not Ralegh Sanders slander. This is Luke
Speaker 4: Bebridge slander.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably it's probably a point to the
Speaker 1: salary cap hype as well if you do have you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's most people play a bit of both, I think
Speaker 1: these days and if you're just hearing it, a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys were talking about have that salary cup
Speaker 1: hype as well, because role, you know, work both ways
Speaker 1: in both formats. Let's talk about one last guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to that point, like, that's my biggest
Speaker 4: piece of advice. Twenty on drafting this weekend. Take the
Speaker 4: salary cap HiPE out of it and let other people
Speaker 4: take that run, take that risk, you know, throw that
Speaker 4: name up and unless they're Caleb Daniel, just and just
Speaker 4: leave them be. I think Caleb dan is the only
Speaker 4: one the salary cap hype who really justifies it.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about just one last guy before
Speaker 1: we move on to the mock draft and look at
Speaker 1: some of those results and some of those learnings. But
Speaker 1: Sam de Coning in the Rock brother of Tommy, my
Speaker 1: boy Tommy there. But look, he didn't have an amazing
Speaker 1: showing in the trial match that we have seen, and
Speaker 1: that's all we're going to get on for. If you're
Speaker 1: going to go for the draft this weekend, how much
Speaker 1: do you adjust him in your ranks? Patch is shaking
Speaker 1: his head, But Lek, where did you land on him
Speaker 1: in your final sort of rankings as a defender eligible player?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not in my top one hundred. I'm looking
Speaker 3: through the current draft that I was active in and
Speaker 3: he went in the middle of the eighth round, so
Speaker 3: I can't do math very quickly. That's about pick eighty
Speaker 3: maybe pick ninety. I think that's a reasonable swing. But honestly,
Speaker 3: I'm relatively conservative in terms of the players I look
Speaker 3: at in drafts.
Speaker 2: I you know, around that.
Speaker 3: Mark, you've got guys like James Warhole, Finn Kahan, George Hewitt,
Speaker 3: like I'd probably just rather back in the known floor guys.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting prospect if I could get him a
Speaker 3: little bit later in drafts, but the hype has probably
Speaker 3: killed that I'd look at him. But also he might
Speaker 3: just not be a very good ruckman. So that's a
Speaker 3: real possible outcome of all of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't seen it. Yeah, let's get into our
Speaker 1: mock draft results. So, as I've mentioned, Lecdog did a
Speaker 1: ride up of this. Now, this was a very fun
Speaker 1: mock draft, thanks to everyone who was involved. So we
Speaker 1: did this with community members in the super Coach community.
Speaker 1: Had a bit of a mixture of some classic players
Speaker 1: and traditional draft players as well. Did not get a
Speaker 1: nice little mixture of people which you generally get on
Speaker 1: draft day in any draft. So for those wondering our
Speaker 1: league settings that we drafted in this one were four defenders,
Speaker 1: five mids, one ruck and four forwards. We did have
Speaker 1: captains off as well, just in case that effects where
Speaker 1: your ranking standard. Where these players went and just for
Speaker 1: the people involved. Of course, there was the three on
Speaker 1: this show. Here we had the Phantom and our Payton
Speaker 1: as well from the super Coach team. Then there was
Speaker 1: hef from the Keeper League. We had Stevie Fears from
Speaker 1: the Draft Doctors. We had the overall winner of Classic
Speaker 1: last year, Joven. We had Pig Mentality from Doctor Supercoach.
Speaker 1: We had the Goat Marera's magic on board for this one,
Speaker 1: Abs Magic as well for his Spuds and dr from
Speaker 1: super Coach sow Play. So all these guys, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being involved in the draft. But let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of the results in some of our learnings.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be going through the first round. I
Speaker 1: might even get through the first two if I'm going
Speaker 1: quick enough, and then we can just discuss some of
Speaker 1: our top picks and some of the lessons learned, because
Speaker 1: I think the lessons learned for me was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: So pick one. It was the Bond, then Butters. Obviously
Speaker 1: this was pre injury. Tristan Sherry went three, Max Gorn four,
Speaker 1: Nick Dkos five, Harry Sheesel six, Zach Merritt seven, Sammy
Speaker 1: Flanders eight, Jason Horn Francis nine, Caleb Sarong at ten,
Speaker 1: Locky Whitfield at eleven, and Jack Sinclair at twelve. So
Speaker 1: that was the first round. Then we did a snake draft,
Speaker 1: so the phantom was picking at twelve, he had the
Speaker 1: first pick. In the second round goes to Isaac Rankin, Locke,
Speaker 1: Neil Luke Ryan at pick fifteen. Jack McCrae picked sixteen,
Speaker 1: Tom Dacooning at seventeen to yours truly. Then it was
Speaker 1: Andrew Braiser at eighteen, Role and Marshall nineteen, Tim English twenty,
Speaker 1: Tom Green twenty one, Josh Dunkley twenty two, Isaac Heeney
Speaker 1: twenty three, and Dane Zorko twenty four to round out
Speaker 1: the first two rounds. Guys, maybe let's just talk about
Speaker 1: those first two rounds. First, Lekdog any surprises any obviously
Speaker 1: you know Zach Butters is not going to be as
Speaker 1: high as he went, but any any changes, any surprises,
Speaker 1: and he picks you sort of well shocked at what
Speaker 1: was the how to play out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, the names are all relatively in the right areas.
Speaker 3: For me, what I was surprised was probably the order
Speaker 3: in which they went. And so in my article I
Speaker 3: talk about this, but last across the last four years,
Speaker 3: the average amount of players that go one ten plus
Speaker 3: in Super Coaches eighteen. Last year it was twenty and
Speaker 3: there were sixteen players that went one oh five to
Speaker 3: one ten, So there were thirty six players who averaged one.
Speaker 2: Hundred and five points a game or more.
Speaker 3: Of those thirty six, only twenty five percent weren't either
Speaker 3: a pure mid or a pure ruck that are available
Speaker 3: to be selected as.
Speaker 2: A pure mid or a pure ruck this year.
Speaker 3: So my focus in drafts is to lock in either
Speaker 3: that super upper echelon ruck or those super consistent pure mids.
Speaker 3: And we saw a lot of defenders, a few forwards
Speaker 3: rankin went early in that first round or the middle
Speaker 3: of the first round. As a forward, I just think
Speaker 3: from a purely getting points on the field perspective, it's rucks.
Speaker 2: And mids should should be the focus.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate the logic that you want to get
Speaker 3: a really good forward or a really good defender. I
Speaker 3: think by the end of the draft we found that
Speaker 3: defenders and forwards are actually deeper than we thought and
Speaker 3: you can find those points later on. So for me,
Speaker 3: it was just I was just a bit surprised to
Speaker 3: see some of the forwards who went before these gun
Speaker 3: mids that have the potential to be one oh five
Speaker 3: one to ten.
Speaker 1: Plus patch wee similar thoughts for yourself.
Speaker 4: For yeah, once I kind of step back and had
Speaker 4: to look out of it, look at it. Yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was certainly the priority for me was trying to
Speaker 4: get to many points on field. And then by the
Speaker 4: time because I picked twos my butters and then had
Speaker 4: Heni on the way back, and by the time Henie
Speaker 4: had gone, there weren't a lot of guys that kind
Speaker 4: of really appealed to me. So I then pivoted into
Speaker 4: the forward line, and I think that was something I
Speaker 4: was really glad that I did, because I saw there
Speaker 4: are a few guys that kind of punted forwards. ABS
Speaker 4: picked the rest of his team before he picked his
Speaker 4: first forward, and it was kind of like getting really
Speaker 4: bottom of the barrel really early, I felt him forwards.
Speaker 4: I felt there wasn't a lot of depth there at all.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of glad that I dipped in there
Speaker 4: pretty quickly, but certainly wasn't like the highest priority. I
Speaker 4: was certainly trying to fill kind of all the lines
Speaker 4: relatively evenly, and I feel like that gave me a
Speaker 4: pretty good, pretty good side, But yeah, I was kind
Speaker 4: of surprised at how big the drop off was for
Speaker 4: some of the forwards as well.
Speaker 3: I think the interesting thing for me, and I'm not
Speaker 3: picking on New Phantom, I know you're listening, but Phantom
Speaker 3: had the last pick of the first round, the first
Speaker 3: pick of the second round Jacksonclaire and Isaac Rankin and
Speaker 3: defender mid and a forward, which I understand the logic
Speaker 3: of wanting to sort of sharpe by the end. But
Speaker 3: the guys that went after those picks Locky Neil average
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty last year, Luke Ryan average one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen, Andrew Brayshaw average one hundred and ten,
Speaker 3: Tom Green he wasn't as injured at the time, Dunkley,
Speaker 3: he need all these guys, all these pure mids crips
Speaker 3: went after those type of players, and just my personal philosophies,
Speaker 3: I'd much rather have the guys capable of going one
Speaker 3: ten plus in the mid one oh five plus and
Speaker 3: then sure, I might miss out on the forward that
Speaker 3: averages ninety, but I should be able to find a
Speaker 3: forward who averages eighty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair call. I think in his defense
Speaker 1: he did, you know, just to defend my boy over
Speaker 1: here the fans.
Speaker 2: It's just an observation he is listing.
Speaker 1: He did pick up Sam Welsh, I think at value,
Speaker 1: who's looking like you know, he potentially he might play
Speaker 1: earlier than we thought he was going to play, so
Speaker 1: picked him up at nice value. So look, if you're listening, fans,
Speaker 1: you know I did the right thing there and defended
Speaker 1: you on But we.
Speaker 2: Don't lose the draft of draft night. You don't lose
Speaker 2: your league of draft night.
Speaker 3: The way everyone's team looks pretty good on draft night,
Speaker 3: it's what you do afterwards.
Speaker 4: That's it it is, I think as well, and Lecky
Speaker 4: pointed it out very nicely in the piece that went up.
Speaker 4: I think it was yesterday this week at any rate,
Speaker 4: was that the rock run started really early, and you know,
Speaker 4: was kicked off by Dossi Rauching, Tom Bead at seventeen,
Speaker 4: and then we had a Racial at nineteen, at Tim
Speaker 4: English at twenty, Toby Nane Kervis at twenty one. So
Speaker 4: we had six rocks off the table by twenty five,
Speaker 4: which was four more than I expected to have gone
Speaker 4: by that point. And then we kind of had a
Speaker 4: bit of a bit of a lull with it, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I certainly found that very interesting, interesting to the rock
Speaker 4: and started very early, and some people just couldn't resist
Speaker 4: getting in and making sure they grabbed one. When you know, Leck,
Speaker 4: you picked up, but did you pick up You had
Speaker 4: shared Witz late and then partnered with Ned moyle and
Speaker 4: ABS picked up Raley O'Brien, you know, in the second
Speaker 4: last round. And if you're doing if you're getting Raley
Speaker 4: O'Brien in the second last round, you are laughing, you're
Speaker 4: doing very well because that means you get Merit bray Shaw,
Speaker 4: down Houston Hat and Young in your first four rounds,
Speaker 4: which is what ABS did. And I think that looks
Speaker 4: much better than you know, say no a rowand Marshall
Speaker 4: or a Tim English or Tom Dakony and then three
Speaker 4: other guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to Le's point earlier, like with the
Speaker 1: top mids and top rucks, I think, if you do
Speaker 1: miss out on those top guys, I'm so happy to punt,
Speaker 1: you know, not the mids, but to punt those rocks.
Speaker 1: Just get them later in your draft. And like I
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping as well to start that rock
Speaker 1: run that was part of that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I also wanted Tom Decony and my team. I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, enamored, and I thought, you know, this is
Speaker 1: a mock draft. I want to see a team that
Speaker 1: I like on paper as well, and he was my man.
Speaker 1: But I think in general, I was noticing, Yeah, kept
Speaker 1: I was trying to call their bluff. I was almost
Speaker 1: thinking about just drafting an extra ruck because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at them sitting back, smug getting all the great picks
Speaker 1: and not taking those drafts to not taking that ruck
Speaker 1: till super late in the draft, and yeah, they totally benefited.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe your league mates aren't as kind
Speaker 1: and they might stash one away on the bench and
Speaker 1: stitch you up. But it is a valid strategy, the
Speaker 1: old punting the rucks.
Speaker 3: That is a risk, but I've seen people do that
Speaker 3: where they take one to three drafts in a ruck
Speaker 3: and then everyone goes, right, well, I'm not trading with you,
Speaker 3: and you can't fill those rucks, so you're stuck with
Speaker 3: two good rucks on your bench you can't do anything with.
Speaker 3: So I think most people won't dog here. And I think, well,
Speaker 3: if you're in like a twelve team league, you're always
Speaker 3: going to get a good ruckman. If you're in an
Speaker 3: eighteen team league, Yeah, you're going to struggle. You know,
Speaker 3: Jordan's sweet Matt Flynn might be your one. But I
Speaker 3: just wanted to shout out my boy Patch, who's here
Speaker 3: on the pot it picks seventy one and really come
Speaker 3: around Since this drafts, I've done a few more drafts
Speaker 3: and he's going around this Marc but Darcy Cameron and
Speaker 3: then I sort of dived into his numbers averaged one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty six ten the year across five or
Speaker 3: six games as the main ruck at Collingwood. No reason
Speaker 3: to see that sort of stopping. There is value Lloyd
Speaker 3: meek Win in the eighth round, Darcy Cameron in the
Speaker 3: sixth or seventh round. Like, there's plenty of value late
Speaker 3: for rock. So yeah, I'm happy to if I don't
Speaker 3: get you know, Max Corn or Tristan Jerry, I'm pretty
Speaker 3: happy to wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I really like the value late for defenders as well. Well,
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of didn't pick up one pick
Speaker 4: one up early, but you know, you know, you end
Speaker 4: up with guys like Karl Aim and going, you know,
Speaker 4: pick ninety eight or I think it's ninety six. You know,
Speaker 4: you get Guy Mason Redmond, Kane Farrell, Kitty Cole when
Speaker 4: I know is a bit is injured, but you know,
Speaker 4: around that pick and twenty.
Speaker 1: Mark Lucky Ash one thirty seven to yours truly, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was, like you said, there's so much value late and.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, you can really just get rid of them
Speaker 4: early and or just not pick them early rather and
Speaker 4: then just pick up some value LD. So that was
Speaker 4: one thing, yeah, I thought was pretty noticeable.
Speaker 3: One thing I thought was interesting as well, just a
Speaker 3: trend that I've now seen across a few drafts, is
Speaker 3: there's a few pure mid players who we have no
Speaker 3: reason to sort of really hate, you know, Ollie Wyan's
Speaker 3: Matt Crouch esque type players that are going really late,
Speaker 3: and they're guys who could average one hundred points a
Speaker 3: game or pretty close to or should average one hundred.
Speaker 2: Points a game.
Speaker 3: But there's just a few of these types of guys
Speaker 3: where everyone's just kind of ignoring them.
Speaker 2: And always in these drafts it's just like value.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you don't have to like match Crouch's game,
Speaker 3: but if he's playing, he's going to have a lot
Speaker 3: of the pill.
Speaker 2: That's what he does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's guys like you much happier a lot
Speaker 1: of drafters and you know, including myself sometimes as well.
Speaker 1: You're much happier taking the Finn Callahan guy than you
Speaker 1: are taking the Stephen Canelio. You know, like they'll just
Speaker 1: go way later in draft. You're enamored by the breakout
Speaker 1: or the taking the game to the next level, and
Speaker 1: you'll take them earlier. And then, yeah, these guys are
Speaker 1: often just sitting there on a platter at the end
Speaker 1: of the game. Mostly the old guys, Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: It's always the old dudes.
Speaker 4: So like I'm happy with Tim Kelly at one hundred
Speaker 4: and nineteen, Like I'm stepped with that, And you know,
Speaker 4: they're all across the draft, you know, Wines when a
Speaker 4: few picks before that, Jack Varney at one forty one,
Speaker 4: Robotom at one forty two. There's just so many midfielders
Speaker 4: that will just slide because people aren't interested. And then no,
Speaker 4: you're laughing.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's probably my biggest lesson learn. And I
Speaker 1: think we'll move on to just some of our favorite
Speaker 1: picks or questionable picks just after this, Before our final thoughts,
Speaker 1: but my probably biggest lesson was the around the mids.
Speaker 1: And again to your point, like, I think I tried
Speaker 1: this strategy of smashing the mids, but I did kind
Speaker 1: of go positional early, so I think Lexa he mentioned it,
Speaker 1: I would just hammer away some of those mids early
Speaker 1: because I sort of left it a little bit and
Speaker 1: then I tried to sort of catch up and I
Speaker 1: was really going hard on the midfielders. But then it's
Speaker 1: sort of knowing when to turn and when to know
Speaker 1: where the value is elsewhere. And I think the way
Speaker 1: that I really want to look at it heading into
Speaker 1: draft day is just assess at each position. Obviously you've
Speaker 1: got your ranks, but just assess at each position where
Speaker 1: you think the top you know, the top dogs are,
Speaker 1: and sort of look at the depth a bit more.
Speaker 1: I was kind of just looking at, you know, players available,
Speaker 1: but really look towards the depth, and the moment that
Speaker 1: the depth starts dropping off, you sort of just switch
Speaker 1: to the next position. So that's kind of where I
Speaker 1: landed on it. But interested to hear some of you
Speaker 1: guys favorite picks in the draft. I was kick it
Speaker 1: off with with Lek.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I mentioned Darcy Cameron before
Speaker 3: as one of my favorite picks. I really like Howr Perryman,
Speaker 3: who went in the hundreds. Now we're recording this, we
Speaker 3: don't actually know how he's performed. In the practice match.
Speaker 3: I took Matt Crouch at one hundred and six. I
Speaker 3: kind of I liked the midfield sandwich, which was my tactic,
Speaker 3: which is a.
Speaker 2: Really good one.
Speaker 4: On top.
Speaker 3: They'd kind of fill out the rest of the team
Speaker 3: and then sandwich in towards the end there with some
Speaker 3: other solid mids. So I think they're the guys that
Speaker 3: prevent present value. And I really liked Phantom, I know
Speaker 3: I potted him before, but Tom Libertore is like the
Speaker 3: forgotten man every year, and I think he went a
Speaker 3: picked sixty or something and no tra law. They need
Speaker 3: some leadership in there. I don't think Matt Kennedy is
Speaker 3: going to come in and steal too many points off
Speaker 3: a guy like Liver.
Speaker 2: So that's just one.
Speaker 3: It wasn't particularly late, but it picks sixty. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're stoked having Tom Libatoo there.
Speaker 1: A nice one patch. You got any any solid picks
Speaker 1: that you liked in the draft, And I actually do
Speaker 1: want to do a couple of questionable picks too, so
Speaker 1: maybe prep that like Quale Whale and stitch up.
Speaker 4: That's fine cow, Yeah, I'd like like gave me the
Speaker 4: very nice shout out for decam at picked seventy one
Speaker 4: here and Briggs for the Goat Selby Brero's magic at
Speaker 4: eighty one was I think one of the picks of
Speaker 4: the draft. I think Briggs has a lot of upside
Speaker 4: this year, and you know, you get in a bunch
Speaker 4: of guys beforehand and then you get a rocker can
Speaker 4: also still average one hundred and five if things go right.
Speaker 4: Was huge from him. Willem Drew at picked one thirty.
Speaker 4: He's now apparently picked up a niggle and a little injury,
Speaker 4: but at the time that was a wonderful pick. I
Speaker 4: think from you lack as the bottom of the sandwich
Speaker 4: and Jase bergoing as well. From Selby is another one
Speaker 4: of those guys who might may well pick up defensive
Speaker 4: eligibility and be a really nice defender option. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought he was very good. And I'm gonna give
Speaker 4: myself another shout out for Blake Acres at pick one
Speaker 4: seventy or one, Yeah, one seventy my last pick of
Speaker 4: the draft, which I'm very happy having him sitting on
Speaker 4: my bench. I feel stoked with that.
Speaker 1: I might just shout out before before the Sam to Conning.
Speaker 1: This was before the SAMDA Coning hype, DR picked him
Speaker 1: up at pick one twenty five in the eleventh round,
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, if you had your draft
Speaker 1: nice and early, DR would have been going. Okay there.
Speaker 1: He was definitely on the train before there was anything
Speaker 1: about him and sort of moving into a rock roll.
Speaker 1: That was sort of one that I quite liked. I
Speaker 1: also liked. I mean it might have been considered maybe
Speaker 1: around where he should have gone, but Tommy Powell going
Speaker 1: as well in the tenth round, one hundred and tenth. Overall,
Speaker 1: I quite like that from the reigning champ in classic
Speaker 1: who named himself Cooper Bell Pepper after his boy Cooper
Speaker 1: Bell up at the Suns, that is Joven, so shout
Speaker 1: out to him as well that I thought that was
Speaker 1: a solid pick. Let's move on to some of our stinkers.
Speaker 1: Who have you got there? Leck?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sorry, El, I'm gonna pop you on the pod end
Speaker 3: In the article, it's the so al took McGovern and
Speaker 3: sicily was picked forty six and fifty one, and then
Speaker 3: dr took Tom Stewart to pick fifty three and still
Speaker 3: looked all right last night and loosened to four. But
Speaker 3: those three players are just three players I don't want
Speaker 3: any piece of and I don't want any piece of
Speaker 3: them in the forty to fifty range, not even close.
Speaker 3: Sicily is probably the biggest defender of that in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Just they're brought in two jet defenders. Maybe it frees
Speaker 3: him up and allows him to be a looser player,
Speaker 3: but in all likelihood, I think it just means he
Speaker 3: gets flung around the field a bit more. And then
Speaker 3: McGovern dominated last year, massive scoring, massive output, played I
Speaker 3: think every game, but every single thing that could possibly
Speaker 3: go right for him, which historically doesn't go right for him,
Speaker 3: went right for him, and I think replicating that is
Speaker 3: too tough. So I'm out on the three old defenders.
Speaker 1: Patch who had a stinker who just just a you know,
Speaker 1: a one off stinker maybe, but who a.
Speaker 4: One off stinker? I reckon there was a really big
Speaker 4: breach on this guy. In the second round. Tom to
Speaker 4: Conne it was like, I know, I know you had
Speaker 4: to do it for the bit, but I do think
Speaker 4: Tom Cunning was such a big reach, and while it
Speaker 4: did set off the rock run, I just think you'd
Speaker 4: need you. It was just too early, like the guy
Speaker 4: like Andy Brayshaw went the pick after Tom Beconne and
Speaker 4: then you've got Tom Breen, Josh Dunkley, Isaac Keeney, Elder,
Speaker 4: you all coming after him. And I just think that
Speaker 4: I haven't drunk the cool aid like you have on TDK.
Speaker 4: But that was the pick that really made me go Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, I guess we're doing it well.
Speaker 1: That was that hurt love you boo Illy, the Ralf,
Speaker 1: the Ralf meme there actually just be quickly. I did
Speaker 1: see a couple more positive picks that I want to
Speaker 1: shout at before any negative ones. But Bailey Humphrey at
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy fifth in the fifteenth round, so
Speaker 1: that was AB's magic was all over that early days.
Speaker 1: And then another one. This was before the hype. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm sort of saying as well. So these guys
Speaker 1: will probably go a lot high now in draft day,
Speaker 1: and we've adjusted them a little bit up as well.
Speaker 1: I'm sure dr picking Hugo Garcia at pick one sixty four. Now,
Speaker 1: whether or not that's a season long amazing pick, but
Speaker 1: to start the season, I think it's looking like a
Speaker 1: pretty solid solid pick there as well.
Speaker 4: I will give Ralely Till though a shout out as well.
Speaker 4: You did pick Till for at one oh four. This
Speaker 4: isn't just me trying to make it up to you,
Speaker 4: and I thought I was a pretty good pick considering forwards.
Speaker 4: We're really starting to dry up at that stage.
Speaker 1: I'm going to pot shot the Phantom myself pick one
Speaker 1: hundred and nine. He had Kitty Colem and this was
Speaker 1: when he was already announced as injured. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was an auto pick, but let's give the
Speaker 1: Phantom one on the way out, guys. Any final thoughts
Speaker 1: heading into draft, Any final advice you want to give
Speaker 1: to people having their draft this weekend, next weekend, whenever
Speaker 1: it is? Final words of wisdom Lecdog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't lose your league on draft night,
Speaker 3: but you can set yourself up in a good position
Speaker 3: if you draft well. You don't have to do a
Speaker 3: full draft board, but just have an idea of sort
Speaker 3: of the rangers that you're willing to take players, and
Speaker 3: have a rough idea of like you want to go
Speaker 3: forward for a mid first, and then a mid and
Speaker 3: then you know a good defender. Just have a rough idea.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the main thing is just bloody have fun.
Speaker 1: Have a bit of fun. Patch you got any more
Speaker 1: words of wisdom for us?
Speaker 4: I think trust your gut. I think it's just kind
Speaker 4: of like, at the very least, you know, if you
Speaker 4: trust your gut you pick, you go early on a
Speaker 4: guy and he explodes, you're riding the high. But if
Speaker 4: you you know, have a gut feel and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: Harley Reeds sitting there, I really want Harley Reed. No, no,
Speaker 4: I'll do the safe thing and pick you know whoever
Speaker 4: else you end up picking, and then Reed goes one
Speaker 4: hundred and ten. You're kicking yourself all year. And I
Speaker 4: think that's part of the fun is just bride or
Speaker 4: die on your guys. And if you've got someone like
Speaker 4: a Dom de Conning who you're like, I need to
Speaker 4: have this guy reach on him, you'll have more fun.
Speaker 4: And you know you might get blasted for it, it
Speaker 4: might all end in tears, but at least you go
Speaker 4: out on your terms. And I think that's a more
Speaker 4: entertaining way to do draft than it is to be
Speaker 4: like super conservative and super boring, and you kind of
Speaker 4: end up with a team of guys you don't really
Speaker 4: care about. And then you know, you just kind of
Speaker 4: put around any middle around and that's fine. Like, enjoy
Speaker 4: the picks you're taking as well as making sure they're
Speaker 4: the right pick. And often the pick you enjoy is
Speaker 4: the pick that will score the most points and that's
Speaker 4: a natural decision. But yeah, just like, don't be afraid
Speaker 4: to kind of back yourself and get dog down in stats.
Speaker 4: And you know this guy scored ninety seven in round
Speaker 4: twenty one last year. Does that mean he's not going
Speaker 4: to be good enoughful Like, just don't overthink it. Just
Speaker 4: trust your gut when you need to.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, you speaking my language. I was going
Speaker 1: to say the exact same thing. Nobody ever gets snaked.
Speaker 1: You just didn't go early enough. You just didn't pick
Speaker 1: your boy early enough. Don't be snaked on draft day.
Speaker 1: Get him, pick him yourself. Get Tom Deconning in the
Speaker 1: second round. Do you get him when you want him?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I also picked Harley Read in the draft.
Speaker 1: For those wondering had to get my boy. Check out
Speaker 1: the full results on Code Sports of this mock draft
Speaker 1: and thanks again to all the people in the community
Speaker 1: that joined in on that, all the famous people in
Speaker 1: the super coach community for joining in. That was awesome
Speaker 1: of them to take part in that. Again. I'll link
Speaker 1: all the all the stuff you need in the description
Speaker 1: below for draft day. We hope you have a great
Speaker 1: draft and this will be the last episode of Drafted
Speaker 1: before the season starts. But looking at doing some as
Speaker 1: well for your waiver pickups, because as lec Dog said,
Speaker 1: you don't win your league at the draft, you got
Speaker 1: to keep a keen eye on those waiver pickups. Make
Speaker 1: sure you get your free agents and waivers in mock draft.
Speaker 4: I didn't win that on the draft. I won that
Speaker 4: one of the draft. We don't. Yeah, sure every other
Speaker 4: draft you don't want to draft.
Speaker 1: No, but that one. Yeah, okay, fair enough? All right?
Speaker 1: And you can also trade as well throughout the season,
Speaker 1: so maybe some trade advice some waiver pickups along the
Speaker 1: way as well. Thanks guys so much for listening as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you to lek Dog and Patch for joining me
Speaker 1: on this preseason ranking shows and this mock draft review
Speaker 1: as well. It's been a pleasure lads. Good luck in
Speaker 1: your drafts as well. Thank you again, very well