1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the heart of it. I'm Ali Daddo. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: We are here recording on gaddigle Land and it's great 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: to have you with us. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Us being me too, Cam Daddo. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: Hey, Cam Daddo, Hi, sweetheart, how are you going good? 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm just I've just said with that chat was just 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: so great that we had with Talitha and Ben. I 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: feel very inspired by both of them. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: Actually, yes, we're going ass about really, aren't we, Because 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: we're talking about we've had that chat. You haven't heard it. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: You might remember Talitha Cummins. She had a thriving career 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: as a TV journalist. 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, newsreader Yeah, Channel seven yep. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: And she's moved on to greener pastures, which is fantastic. 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Sparkly pastures. 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: Diamonds are a girl's best friend, right. She owns the 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: business and her husband, Ben Lucas, is a fitness guy. 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: Rugby League fans might remember you. 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Are you always going to say rugbuller every time? Just do? Yeah? 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: It's not cute, okay, Rugby League fans. 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's speech impediments. Yeah, okay, I can 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: allow it once, but. 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: I've said it a few times. It's just one of 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: those things he just rolls off. 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: I understand. I understand because I. 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: Guess it's just because I'm I'm not that big a 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: fan of rugby league. I just don't seem to get it. 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: So you have to. You have to make it sound 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: weird when you say, but. 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: Even people talk about rugby, yeah you are. 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I've never heard my brother in law say it 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: that way. 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: I've heard both of them say it that anyway, Ben 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: not of the hat to the rugby league boss, gotcha, Well, 35 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: be Ben was a player. 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben was a player, and he's transitioned into owning 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: his own gym and and program. Really what a gorgeous man. Yeah, 38 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: he's lovely, so calm and kind and very very conscious 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: and aware. 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 4: Yep. 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: And I will say this because he left before we 42 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: got a chance to say it. But he's about to 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: do his fiftieth marathon and it's happening with the Sydney Marathon, 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: and so just wanted to wish him all the best 45 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: and for his clients that he trains. 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so very well known as a good trainer 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: and a very clear person. And of course Talitha, you 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: know what she's done with her life and really made 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: this incredible change in her life from sobriety and creating 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: this incredibly thriving, wonderful jewelry business. And yeah they're raising 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: two little kids. 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 4: Who were involved in it as well. 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: But you'll hear all about it well rather than the 54 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: next half hour or so, So enjoy this chat with 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: Talitha and Ben. Ben and Talitha, welcome to the heart 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: of it. It's great to have you both here. 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, so lovely to be here. 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: Ben. 60 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: Are you were a podcast, virgin I am not a podcast, 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: so we expect a lot from you to mainly just 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: the fitness rounds. 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 5: So okay, this type of podcasting, fitness and business had 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 5: been my kind of strong suits today. 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: Right, well, you look like a weapon. I'm very keen 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: to hear how you weaponize yourself. I mean, I know 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: you're in America. 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: And Talitha is no stranger to a microphone obviously, so 69 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: when I were in Safeans. 70 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: There, but love a microphone, I don't really That's why 71 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: I left, yeahs. 72 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: Being in the in the biers in this way. 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: There are aspects of it. I missed the adrenaline. I 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 3: love the you know you're first on the scene. You 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: know everything that's happening. You're love that, Like I do 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: miss that, but you find adrenaline in other ways of course. Diamonds. 77 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Someone, if if a network called you 78 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: and said, we really want you to come in and 79 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: work with us, would you do it? 80 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: I don't think they would, but you. 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: Don't think they would be times you change. 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: It maybe maybe for it was fun reading the news 83 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: it was. I liked that. It's almost like a performance, 84 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: you know, there's a performance aspect to it, so I 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: kind of enjoyed that. So, yeah, I may read a 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: bulletin if someone asked me, yeah, do you know something 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 3: that I don't know? 88 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: No, that's never going to I would never know more 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: than what anybody else. 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: With you, or at least if you knew, you'd forget 91 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: it anyway. 92 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: So I'm a bit like, do you know, I just 93 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: keep just keeps from me, keep turning up and turn up, 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: know your lines, and have an idea. 95 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 3: Whatever works. 96 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: That's what you do. 97 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: We're going to go way back with you too, because 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: it's we'd love to hear a little bit about your relationship. 99 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: How did the two of you first meet? 100 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: So I was working on weekend Sunrise and Monique Wright 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: was the host at the time and training with Ben 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: in one of his gyms on the North Side, and 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: she suggested to me that I should meet him and 104 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: to get fit or to meet him, and so she 105 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: set us up on a date. I was quite reluctant 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: because I wasn't really in the space for dating, and 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: we had our first date and it was just all 108 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: on from there. 109 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 4: How long was that twelve years ago? 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: Twelve or thirteen? Yes? 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: You did you feel the spark straight away? Ben? 112 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 4: Pretty much? Yeah. 113 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 5: Yes, I was training Monique and she was a good 114 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: friend of mine and said should meet and then yeah, 115 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 5: I kind of knew within a couple of weeks that 116 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 5: it was it for me. It was a bit of 117 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 5: a cliche because I'd trained hundreds of clients over the 118 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 5: years and I was interested in their relationships and some 119 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 5: people said you know when you know, you know, and 120 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 5: I thought that was bullshit. Yeah, and then but then 121 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 5: with two weeks in, I just knew that that that's. 122 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 4: It for me. 123 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: So did you feel but you didn't meet as a 124 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: client trainer, you met as a date? Yes, yeah, yeah, right, okay, 125 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: because that would be a bit. 126 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: He's a professional. Isn't that interesting that your friend that 127 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: Monique knew the two of you were right for each other. 128 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's I had just sort of 129 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: become sober about three or four months earlier, and Ben 130 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: was living being, you know, healthily, and so I guess 131 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: she thought we were a great pairing. 132 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: Right, So she's now working as Dexter from Perfect Match. 133 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Throwback. 134 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: See where my brain is this morning? 135 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: You still love Perfect Match, dude? 136 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: That's where I fell in love with this This dude? 137 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: Is it? 138 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: Is it? 139 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: The dude? 140 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: Dude playing the dude? 141 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: You both have reinvented yourselves sort of in a lot 142 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: of ways. What's been the biggest challenge and the biggest 143 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: joy in building sort of your new lives and hitting 144 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: you turning points in your life? 145 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what question do you want to answer that? First? 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: Sure, I guess. 147 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 5: So, you know, I started as a rugby league player, 148 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: and then from there icond of transition to the fitness world, 149 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 5: and then I moved into owning fitness businesses. So I 150 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 5: guess it's the management of people. Is that was the 151 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 5: biggest learning for me? Because even though I love fitness, 152 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 5: when you have a business it's like any other business 153 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 5: that it's it's people is the main thing. So yeah, 154 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: it was huge learnings over the years. But I think 155 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 5: if you care enough and care about about culture and 156 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: about doing the right thing, we end up succeeding in 157 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: the end. 158 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, was it difficult to make that transition from 159 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: being because you were a professional NROL player? 160 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a fringe player at best. And then 161 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 5: I'd seen so many players that had tried to live 162 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 5: the dream into their twenties thirties, and then when the 163 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 5: music stops and they've got to get a real job. 164 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: They're like, I've got no skills, I've got no experience. 165 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 5: So I made the decision in my mid twenties that 166 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 5: I needed to actually pursue something that if I wanted 167 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 5: to have a life of family, a proper career earlier on, 168 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 5: so I kind of made that decision to cut it 169 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 5: short to pursue something else. 170 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: Has that changed a bit. 171 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: Our brother in law is one of the main sponsors 172 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: or was one of the main sponsors of the Camber Raiders, 173 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: and he was part of a mentor group that he 174 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: looked after five players, and there's other other mentors within 175 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: the club. Supporters mentored their own group of players so 176 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: that they were able to help them with their finances 177 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: and guide them into a career that could work for 178 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: them post their professional UGI league career. Has that has that? 179 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: Do you feel like has that changed a bit? I mean, 180 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: I know we're off topic a bit, but no, But 181 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: is it growing? Is it better now? 182 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 4: Do? 183 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 5: You've got friends of mine, sons that are coming through 184 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,239 Speaker 5: the ranks now and they do really care about their education, 185 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: their investments, things like that. So there's so much more 186 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 5: onto it today because really, you know, the average career 187 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: span of a first Aroba League player might be two 188 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 5: years at best than what they put their bodies through. 189 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 5: You know, they'll not be able to have life after football. 190 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 5: So it's about working on that strategy now. So yeah, 191 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 5: they are really really good at it now. 192 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, Talitha. What's been your biggest challenge in sort 193 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: of your changing of trajectory. 194 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: Look, I think I left the media when I was 195 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: so I had a baby who was about nine or 196 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 3: ten weeks old, and I lost my job in the 197 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 3: position that I was in reading the news and went 198 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: through some legal battles and I think just walking away 199 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: from that, I sort of lost my identity. I realized 200 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: that my identity was really tied up in who I was. 201 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: I was a journalist and a presenter, and that's that 202 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: kind of defined me. So I had to really go 203 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: through that morning process, I guess, but it was great. 204 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: You know. 205 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 3: I set out to do a lot of different things. 206 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: I tried pr, I tried working at the Weather Bureau, 207 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: and I did a lot of media training. And then 208 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: I realized that none of those things were it. And 209 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: I was really interested in business, but I didn't know 210 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: exactly how that would look right. And then my uncle, 211 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: who's been in the diamond industry for fifty odd years, 212 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: called me up and said, I think you should join us, 213 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: and I sort of thought about it, and yeah, I 214 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: went from there. 215 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: And how has it been since you've made that right 216 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: turn into that world because it's so far from where 217 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: you were. 218 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like I thought, initially, I don't know how 219 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to do this because as a journal you're 220 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: sitting on the fence and you're not opinionated about things. 221 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: But going into this, I'd have to be a salesperson 222 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: and you know, you know do that. So but I 223 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: managed to overcome that and now I love it. I 224 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: love the challenge. We've had some great growth. I've got 225 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: some great staff now and I'm really probably more determined 226 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: than I ever have been. Yeah, in my life, what's 227 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: your role in the business? 228 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: Are you? Do you design or do you are you 229 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: branding or are you advertising or. 230 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: All of all? Up until feb this year, I was 231 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: doing it all by myself a year and a half 232 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: and it grew. I sort of use my skills and 233 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: we've grown our business online because I'm doing educational videos 234 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: through social media, so we grew quite quickly. So it's 235 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: been a bit of a crazy ride. But now I've 236 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: got a couple of really great staff to help me out, 237 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: and yeah, we're sort of moving forward to grow it 238 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: in that way. 239 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: Fantastic years ago my I'll keep the story shut. My 240 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: grandfather before he passed away, gave all the grandchildren three 241 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: thousand dollars and I was able to throw mine into 242 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: some shares that did really well, ended up with a 243 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: like fifteen k. So apparently I won my grandchildren any more. Morning, 244 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: but Ali got a new wedding ring and we needed 245 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: a diamond, and so we went to La. We were 246 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: in La and we went to the La Diamond districtstrict. 247 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: Have you been there? 248 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I've been to New York and London, 249 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: but very very similar. 250 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, because our friend was working there and 251 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: she took me inside and she's into their office and 252 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: there was this gorgeous piece. I felt like I was 253 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: in a diamond heist movie, you know, because this velvet 254 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: fabric was put out on the thing and then there 255 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: was all these diamonds inside. She said, okay, Cam, she's 256 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: got the tweezers out and she's going, all right, we 257 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: can get this one. We can get this one, and 258 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: we can do a cut on this one. It was 259 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: so exciting. It's really your day too. 260 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: That's my day. That's what I did. That's yeah, it is. 261 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: It's really interesting and exciting. There's so many sort of 262 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: different topics to explore, and you know, it's it's quite 263 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 3: mysterious as an industry and always has been. So that's 264 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: sort of been our point of difference, to become a 265 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: little bit more transparent and explain it. Not taking the 266 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: magic away, but you know, explaining. 267 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: What is Still it's still like Gringotts. 268 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: You know, it's fabulous. It's great. 269 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Talitha, You've been really beautifully open about your sobriety, and 270 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: you know that that shift for you as well. What 271 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: did like your early sobriety teach you that still sort 272 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: of shapes who you are today? 273 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Resilience. For one. I learned to be 274 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: able to sit with my problem, address my problems, do therapy, 275 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: understand you know where everything comes from, and that has 276 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: just helped me in such good stead especially in business 277 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: as well. 278 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 279 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: Sure, when you've got your own business, it's the biggest 280 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: I don't know, it unmasks all of the things. You know, 281 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: you get triggered by lots of different things and pressure, 282 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: and so now I find that I'm able to address 283 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: things front on. So it's been Yeah, I would say resilience, yeah, 284 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: And is it. 285 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Still a practice for you? Like, are you still. 286 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: Well I mean sober? 287 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 288 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I understand you're still sober. Yeah. But 289 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: do you still go to meetings and things like that? Yeah? 290 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: Every now and then for sure. And then I've got 291 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: like a network of people who I can call and 292 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: they call me. But the meetings are great, like AA meetings, 293 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: because you go in there and you can see a 294 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: person who is two days sober, and it reminds you 295 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: of when you are two days sober and the fact 296 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: that you don't want to go back there. And there's 297 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: someone who's thirty years sober and earn some wisdom from them. 298 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: So they're really insightful, amazing meetings and very helpful in 299 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: that way. 300 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: What's it like? What's that were you sober too when 301 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: you guys met or did you do you still partake 302 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: or not? 303 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: I might have two beers a year, So it's never 304 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 5: really been a thing for me drinking. I you know, 305 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 5: playing rugby league, there was a culture of binge drinking 306 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 5: that I would partake in occasionally. But when I met Talitha, 307 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 5: I was only really a social drinker at best, and 308 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 5: then as the year's gone on, it's become less and 309 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 5: less part of my lifestyle. I'm up at most mornings 310 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 5: for fifteen the alarm goes off, so I'm up out 311 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 5: of bed, running or training clients. So yeah, And I 312 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: kind of came to that realization when Teleetha and I 313 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: were getting together, and it didn't come from her at all, 314 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 5: but I thought, if I wanted to give this relationship 315 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 5: the best I could, I didn't really want to drink either, 316 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 5: not that she cared or but I just me for myself, 317 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 5: wanted to be as supportive as I can, and I 318 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 5: didn't think it would be a very good partner to 319 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 5: roll in it till I am with a belly full 320 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 5: of drink. 321 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: You know, I just didn't. It's not the person I 322 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: wanted to be. 323 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really kind. Plus you know you've added years 324 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: to your lives as well by stopping drinking too. 325 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: And I think I don't know if I'd still be 326 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: sober if it wasn't for Ben and his support in 327 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: that way. Sure, yeah, sure, I think if I was 328 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: with a partner who was going out on vendors, it 329 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: would be a very different story. 330 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he would do it. Are you vibing different? 331 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: Completely different vibes? Yeah? 332 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: Ben? You is it you're doing? Is your goal? I say, 333 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: only only fifty marathons this year? Or are you planning 334 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: to do more than that? 335 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: Right? So this year will be my fiftieth as opposed 336 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 4: to fifty in the calendar year. 337 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, fifty yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 338 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 3: See, that's what it is. Yeah, don't take those away 339 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 3: from him, Oh my gosh. 340 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, So it will be my fiftieth marathon in five 341 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 5: weeks Sunday, the TCS Sydney Marathon presented by Assex On No, 342 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 5: I'm the head coach in the Cydney Marathon. Yeah, so 343 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 5: that's exciting. I don't have any more goals outside of 344 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 5: to run one hundred and two hundred. 345 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 4: I want to run one with my kids one day. 346 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my next goal after hitting fifty. I'm doing 347 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 5: a fun run with Ollie and Riley this Sunday, five 348 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 5: k run with them, which I I love doing more 349 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 5: than anything else. So yeah, you know, I started running, 350 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: so it be my fiftieth marathon. My first one was 351 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: eighteen years ago. So my mother had passed of breast 352 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 5: cancer and I just needed I'd retired from rugby league 353 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 5: a couple of years ago and I just needed something 354 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: for my head and I kind of running was therapeutic 355 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 5: for me in that way. And then so that's why 356 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 5: running for me isn't about weight loss, for even fitness. 357 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 5: It's more so for my mental health side of things. 358 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 5: And I just kept on doing it since then. 359 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: Do you run every day six days, six days? 360 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, if I can, but you know, some days things 361 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 5: come up. You know, kids take priority and things like that. 362 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: So I might skip a day or two, but ideally 363 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 5: if I can six days here. 364 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: You hear that a lot. 365 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Actually, you must have experienced this with all your training. 366 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: That running particularly is something that I hear a lot 367 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: of people get into for their mental health. Is that 368 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: something you've noticed as well? 369 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. 370 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 5: I think it's the combination of the being outside, the 371 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 5: cardiovascular exercise, the fresh or all of that really does aid. 372 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: You know, people, and also we've all seen those huge 373 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 5: run clubs everywhere at the moment, but that is that 374 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 5: is how people socialize in twenty twenty four. That's the 375 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 5: poeople's supportive networks. At the gym that I'm a part of. 376 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: We've got a run club that's mainly forty plus, like 377 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: age forty plus, and this network of mainly women that 378 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 5: have thirty of them that are all best friends now 379 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 5: that previously weren't and they're supporting each other and they 380 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 5: go out together and have like it's just amazing. And 381 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 5: they didn't have this network of friend years ago and 382 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 5: now they run to each other and support each other. 383 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 5: It's a beautiful thing. 384 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 385 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely made of mine is he's training also for the 386 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: Citney marathon. There you go, and he's out there and 387 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: he'll go and do his twenty k or whatever I said. 388 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: You ask him, take me through it. You know, do 389 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: you actually run that length marathon? He goes, no, No, 390 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: we don't do that. We don't do that yet. I'll 391 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: do it when I do the race. So he's being 392 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: trained by someone. This is Couchy. Oh yeah, yeah, he's 393 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: my chiropractor. Yeah, and one of my golfers, one of 394 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: Saturday morning golfers, Triviic Blake. But he'll go run and 395 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: then you'll come and he'll walk the golf course. He'll 396 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: walk eleven twelve k's on the golf course afterwards. 397 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 4: But he's so. 398 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: Alive right now, and he's so excited about this up 399 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: and coming marathon he's about to do. Do you've done 400 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: fifty coming up to fifty? Do you have that same 401 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: feeling about your marathons? 402 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited. 403 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 5: This one in Sydney will be huge, thirty five thousand runers, 404 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 5: the biggest in Southern Hemisphere history. But each time you 405 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 5: kind of learn something about yourself because you're just in 406 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: your head for so long. And I mean as Pa 407 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 5: talks about resilience that's kind of when I get my 408 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 5: resilience from two. If I'm having challenges at work or 409 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 5: challenges at home, I think I've hurt as much as 410 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 5: I can during a marathon, and I got through that. 411 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 5: Whatever this is, I can get through that as well, 412 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 5: So it kind of helps you get through other challenging times. 413 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: Metaphor for life. 414 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: Do you run too? No, there's like enough running. Just 415 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: sit on the couch and need some chocolate. 416 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: No, I do that. 417 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: You're almost run a marathon. 418 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: I almost did. I trained up for it and then 419 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 3: I just didn't know. I didn't like it. It's just mentally, 420 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: I just found it really difficult. I just didn't enjoy it. 421 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: I do weights. I lift weights quite a bit, but yeah, 422 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: running it's not for me. I do like the adrenaline 423 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 3: that comes from running. Yeah, yeah, that's about it. 424 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: Is it because of the body ache? 425 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a mental headache for me, hen, Yeah, 426 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: it's just not me. 427 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: No. Has the mindset that you needed? You know you 428 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: were mentioning before Ben about you know you work a 429 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: lot of things out or does that when you're running? 430 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: Does that also help in relationship? In marriage? Do you 431 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: find that you've you work things through in that way 432 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: and you can come back to Teleitha and go well. 433 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: I was on twenty two k's and I realized that 434 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: I needed to apologize. 435 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 4: Yea, for sure, like it is actually good. You know, 436 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: during my day, I'm so busy with either clients or 437 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 4: marathon or kids. 438 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 5: And I go, right, I know, I've got an hour's 439 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 5: run this afternoon, and I need to think about X, 440 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 5: Y and Z, and that'll give me time to process 441 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 5: those things because it's just me and my thoughts during 442 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 5: that time. So I go, right, what are the things 443 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 5: I got to think about during this run, and I'll 444 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 5: process that and that. Most of the times I realized, yep, 445 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 5: I was probably wrong there. I should probably apologize for that. 446 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 5: Now we'll come back and work through it. 447 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, good on. You do you listen to music when 448 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: you do it? 449 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 5: It depends what type of run. I listened to a podcast, 450 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 5: great podcast, like the heart of it. 451 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Obviously we've got a backlog for you, Ben. You could 452 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: run for a month. 453 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 4: Now. 454 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 5: I kind of like to multitass. Listen to an audio book, 455 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 5: listen to a podcast. I was like that whilst running too. 456 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 457 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were times when the kids were younger when 458 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: you were running a lot of marathons, and it's quite 459 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: a yeah, it's a selfish kind of thing. There's a 460 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: lot of training involved, and yeah, I found that quite difficult, 461 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: but we managed to resolve that while still trying to 462 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: understand that he used it for his mental health. It's 463 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 3: a lot of time away from home. So that did 464 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 3: actually caused some friction at some stages. 465 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: So you are a marathon widow, like, I'm a golf yes, yes, 466 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: your golf yeah. 467 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: Yea yeah, choice though by choice invited her to play. 468 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm like you with running me. 469 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't work, don't get it. 470 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: Look, it's a it's a grower's yeah. I mean I 471 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: planted the seed thirty three years ago. 472 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: I did, sure, Troy Slow, it's. 473 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: An it's an oak tree. 474 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: When you talk about like what he wants to do 475 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: in retirement, the one thing he always goes, oh, travel 476 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: the world and you play golf, darling, And I'm like. 477 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 6: Oh, I look, yeah, but if you've paid on some 478 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 6: of the golf courses that I've been lucky enough to 479 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 6: play around the world, you see terrain, flora, and fauna 480 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 6: that you would not normally see. 481 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: Right, So is that part of the attraction. Absolutely, I 482 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: get that out in the green or spoiled though who 483 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: said that again. 484 00:25:51,880 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: Mark Twain? Not a great quote, not a great quote. 485 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 6: But. 486 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: Some of the the the interactions that I've had with 487 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: people around the world playing golf, and it's just it's 488 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 2: it's hunting, it's targeting, it's using. You know you you 489 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: actually have to factor in a lot of different things. Y. Look, 490 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: but that's the way I feel about it. 491 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: What do you do instead? What do you do when 492 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: golfing is occurring? 493 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Usually like I'm probably doing the laundry. 494 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 2: Something that now she's like you, she's lifting weights. 495 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: I am lifting weights. 496 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 3: That's great. 497 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: I try to find other things like because it's I 498 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: don't know, it's funny. I heard this the other day 499 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: and tell me what you both think, particularly to eat 500 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: that is that often men men are very much encouraged 501 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: to have hobbies and women don't have the hobbies because 502 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: we're raising kids and have the hobbies. 503 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: So I've had to really figure out what the hell 505 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: my hobby is, yes, and get find something that gives 506 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: me joy outside of family life, because family life has 507 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: always given me joy. So and I'm really still figuring 508 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: that out. I've actually would love to run, I actually 509 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: would love it, but I don't know. I've tried it. 510 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: I tried like the couch to five k thing, and 511 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: just I broke my foot within the first two weeks. 512 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something. 513 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: No, it's just. 514 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: Fat, just generalized fat. 515 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: Just just ran and just apparently the bone in my 516 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: foot broke. 517 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: Perimenopause and fat combination. 518 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: So good, fabulous. 519 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm so happy about that. So I found but I 520 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: really wanted to because I keep hearing about this, this 521 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: euphoric feeling of running. 522 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: So I was like, I want to do that. 523 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: I want to try it. I want to set myself 524 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: a goal. So anyway, I haven't gotten back to it. 525 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: I mean need to speak you about that after that's 526 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: definitely I. 527 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: Have you guys had a moment where you've looked at 528 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: your lives now and thought, wow, this is just wildly 529 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: different than I imagined. 530 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: It's probably better. Yeah, like it's I think we're at 531 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: a really good place now. I'd say, you know, it 532 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: was a bit rough for a couple of years, like 533 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: I think with anyone has challenges and things to sort out. 534 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: But I really feel like we're on the same page 535 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: now and we're heading in the same direction. Yeah, but 536 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: we're actually sort of able to sit there now and 537 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: look at our lives and go, yeah, we're really fucking 538 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: happy with that. Yeah, we're in a good place. And 539 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 3: the best thing I guess now. So Ben has just 540 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: sold his business and he's saying, now it's my turn 541 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: to you know, because I've always wanted to have a 542 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: business in growers, and he's sort of, yeah, saying to me, 543 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: it's your turn to go now, So, which is great. 544 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: And I think your. 545 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: Turn to go now meaning your turn to grow your 546 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: business to spend time doing that. Yeah, and you'll be 547 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: in support of that, I. 548 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 5: Think, kind of answer your question. It's different for me 549 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 5: because you know, as the man always thought, I'm the 550 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 5: hunter gatherer and the wife's in the support role. And 551 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 5: Talitha did that amazingly for me in the business for 552 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 5: the last twelve years. But I kind of had a 553 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 5: come to Jesus moment a few years ago. I know 554 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 5: I'm in big trouble when I receive an email from 555 00:29:53,800 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 5: Talitha and I had touched down on the way back 556 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 5: from New York from the New York Marathon, and it 557 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: was I touchdown and turned my phone on had an 558 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 5: email from Talitha. 559 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 4: I was like, all right, here we go. 560 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 5: Just told a few you know, half truths about how 561 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 5: i'd been acting, how you know, i'd been a bit 562 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 5: selfish and you know, just focusing on my life and 563 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 5: the rest of the family were just in a supporting 564 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 5: role to me living my best life, you know. So 565 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 5: I really took that on board, and the past you know, 566 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 5: three years, I've really made an effort to be as 567 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 5: good a husband and father as I could be, and 568 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 5: I've actually never been so happy in my life since 569 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 5: I've made that transition, you know, and putting their needs first, 570 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 5: you know, which I should do, but still not you know, 571 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 5: throw the mine out either. And now you know, made 572 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 5: the transition from you know, talitha business is going absolutely 573 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 5: gangbusters and she's doing such an amazing job that now 574 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 5: I can, you know, spend some more time with the 575 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 5: kids and just help her be the best version of 576 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: herself and her business be as good as it can be. 577 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 5: You know, I never thought that would be where I 578 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 5: would be, but I'm really enjoying it and just seeing 579 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: her flourish and the kids do great is probably the 580 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 5: best most happy I've been in my whole life. 581 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's so beautiful. Ben, Wow, good for you. 582 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: Was that a tough femail to write we're doing We're radio? 583 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: We don't see that probably written the king, which is 584 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: not how we like to deal with things. But I 585 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: think it was just the truth. I think I just 586 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: got to the point where I was fed up. 587 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: I've met quite a few professional sportsmen in my time, 588 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: and in order to be at that level it is 589 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: a bit my opic. You do have to focus on that. Say, 590 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 2: that's the same with anybody who's in an elite spot 591 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,239 Speaker 2: in what they do. Do you feel like that was, 592 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: you know, your conditioning as a professional athlete and then 593 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: moving into It's just that was just the way your 594 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: mind went, So you probably weren't quite seeing what Talitha 595 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: was talking about. 596 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 5: No, No, I just think you know, we're on the 597 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 5: back of lockdowns, and you know, I had my marathons 598 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 5: and all that, and I've just focused. I just kind 599 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 5: of siloed things too. I've got work, I've got my running, 600 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 5: I've got my family, and I'll distribute the time and 601 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 5: energy accordingly. 602 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: But that's not the right way to do it. 603 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: Did you have someone to sort of talk to about 604 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: that in the sense of, like, you know, you saw 605 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: the email, you came to the realization that, okay, yeah, 606 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: things need to change. Was there someone that you could 607 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: talk to about that and go, okay, here's some steps. 608 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: Did you just figure it out on your own? 609 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 5: Like, I've worked with a psychologist over time as well, 610 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 5: and I find that greatly valuable. Like I've got an 611 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 5: incredible network of friends since they been friends since we 612 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 5: were we're boys. But I think, you know, working with 613 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 5: a professional has been one of the best things I've 614 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 5: ever done. 615 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 4: You know, it's just think, get that. 616 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 5: Professional help. I probably wouldn't trust a lot of my 617 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 5: mate with life advice. So yeah, I found that greatly 618 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 5: helpful because the result I wanted to have is is, 619 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 5: you know, a great marriage and a good family. And 620 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 5: you know, me running a thousand marathons wouldn't make me 621 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 5: any happier than having a happy wife and an happy family, 622 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 5: you know, so just prioritizing those things and working everything 623 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 5: else around that. 624 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: There's a professional golfer, Scotti Scheffler who's just winning everything 625 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: at the moment, just won the British Open. He was 626 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 2: talking about refreshingly talking about what it is to win 627 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: a golf tournament and just sort of going back onto 628 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: that myopicness of having to train and focus and it's 629 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: all about winning, winning, winning, And he said, well, the 630 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: truth of it is when you win, the gloss wears 631 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 2: off after a day and then you're like, oh, we're 632 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: on to the next thing. And he said, I realized 633 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 2: that it was actually my family and my wife and 634 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: my kids and being the best dad and the best brother, son, 635 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, husband that I could be is what brings 636 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: me joy. And he's gat this mindset he just doesn't 637 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: really he cares, but he doesn't care, so he's not 638 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: stakes on top. Yes, you know, yeah, it is great. 639 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: It was so refreshing because you it was. It's a 640 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: very different point of view from an elite sportsman to 641 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: hear that. 642 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 643 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 644 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: And so based on that kind of thing, you know, 645 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: you've guys had a decade of clarity. What how does 646 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: that compare now to the olden days of when you 647 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 2: weren't So, you know, where are you at now and 648 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 2: what's that been? 649 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 4: Like? 650 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 3: I just think we're in a better place. We're able 651 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 3: to communicate a lot better the kids of the priority 652 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 3: we're supporting each other and like truly supporting each other. 653 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I used to remember when Ben 654 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 3: would go and run you know, La Marathon or New 655 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 3: York Marathon. I'd just I'd be quite resentful. Like the 656 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: whole time I'd spend in resentment, and it was it 657 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 3: was not me, and it was an awful place to be. 658 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: But now I'm now that the scales have sort of 659 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 3: balanced up a little bit, I'm genuinely happy for him 660 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 3: to be to be doing what he wants to do. 661 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 3: You know, we give each other a lot of freedom, 662 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: and yeah, we've got our own, both got our own 663 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: friends were going, yeah, do lots of different things. So yeah, 664 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 3: you're feeling more fulfilled always, Yeah, helps definitely, Yeah, Yeah, 665 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 3: I think. 666 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 2: That's are the kids following Oh sorry, did you say 667 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: the kids following any like any of your footsteps like 668 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 2: media or into into the rugby league professional ranks. 669 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 7: So beautiful boy, Ollie, Like I came from a family 670 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 7: of rugby league son, so three boys, three girls, but 671 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 7: all the boys played rugby league and they didn't have 672 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 7: an option. 673 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 5: My dad played rugby league and he'd be on the sidelines, 674 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 5: you know, yelling obscenities and things like that. So I 675 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 5: wanted to be the opposite to that. So whatever Oli 676 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 5: wanted to play, he had to do some form of sport. 677 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 5: But whatever he wanted to do, I'll be there for him, 678 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 5: and I'll be on there just clapping hands and saying yay, 679 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 5: good job everyone. 680 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: I'm playing union. 681 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: Okay. 682 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 5: Just he just ended up there. He started at a 683 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 5: f L and then went to soccer and now he's 684 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 5: playing rugby, so rugby union. So now that's and he's 685 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 5: that's just been his evolution and it's been no pressure 686 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 5: for me and he. 687 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 4: Really loves it, so that's that's great. So and in 688 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 4: terms of our beautiful. 689 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 3: Daughter, yeah, she's very crazy. 690 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 4: Do you forget her name? 691 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 5: Then? 692 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: Is she designing her own diamond rings? 693 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 2: Yet? 694 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: She is an amazing artist. So we're about to use 695 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 3: some of her beautiful, colorful drawings and make it into 696 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 3: tissue paper for it for my business. Really cute. 697 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: So she's in the business already because it's already a 698 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: family business and now it's going to have Riley's artwork 699 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: as well. 700 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 3: Which is a bit cute. That's gorgeous. 701 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: You know, Ben, you mentioned that you know that email, 702 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: Really you learned something very deeply from Talitha, and you've 703 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: changed your life around for the better. Is there something 704 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: that you've learned from Ben Talitha that's really helped you 705 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: better your life? 706 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: So many things I've learned from Ben. Ben is a 707 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 3: great steady hand. You know, he's consistent, he's even He 708 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: is one of the kindest people I've met. I remember 709 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: when Monique first set us up. I really wasn't interested 710 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 3: in going on a date, and I said, just tell 711 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: me a bit about him, and she said, look, he's 712 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 3: got this Jim and Mossman and a florist was not 713 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 3: doing very well down the road, so he decided to 714 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 3: go and buy all of his clients bunches of flowers 715 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 3: from that florist to help with her revenue. And I 716 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 3: was like, that's really kind And that kind of kindnesses 717 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 3: is just example all the time with Ben. I think 718 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: I used to be quite reactive to situations, and Ben 719 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 3: has just taught me, what do you say, there's more 720 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 3: honey with there's more more flies with honey, And so 721 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 3: I've really adopted that. That's been a big work on 722 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 3: for me. And so, yeah, I mean, so many things 723 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 3: I've learned from him. 724 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, gorgeous. Yeah, And what about your kids? What do 725 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: you hope like your individual stories teach your children as 726 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: they get older. 727 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 3: God, I can already see that my my son I 728 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 3: was going into the the you know, in terms of 729 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 3: the addiction, which I hope that is not passed on 730 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 3: to him. But I was walking to the kitchen yesterday 731 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 3: and he had this big line of brown on his 732 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 3: face and said, what are you doing? He'd been in 733 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 3: the hot chocolate you know that jah and had been 734 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 3: just you know, eating that. And I'm sort of like, 735 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 3: I remember that was me as a kids, you know, 736 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 3: like they're like sugar anything that dope for meine inducing 737 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 3: kind of things. So I hope I don't pass that 738 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 3: hasn't passed on to him. But both of our kids 739 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 3: are really kind, and really I just want our kids 740 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 3: to be kind and happy and do the best that 741 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 3: they can. We try to, you know, example kindness, and 742 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 3: it's coming back now, you know, people are telling us 743 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 3: that they're kind little kids. So it's really nice, gorgeous. 744 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 3: That's all you want for your kids, right, yeah? Happy 745 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 3: and so true and nice to other people. 746 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: How about for you? Ben? 747 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 4: Oh? I just want them to be. 748 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 5: A happy, kind but whatever they do, just want to 749 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 5: be a good one. Whether it's a kindergarten teacher or 750 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 5: a plumber or whatever, Just be the best kindergarten teacher 751 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 5: or a plumber or whatever their dream is to fulfill 752 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 5: as good as you can be, you know. So, Yeah, 753 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 5: we just want to be there for them and leave 754 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 5: them a happy, long life. But just whatever you do, 755 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 5: be good at it. Yeah. 756 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: I feel like we're speaking to us really the same philosophy. Yeah, well, 757 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 2: he often talks about kindness. Yeah, and I often talk 758 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 2: about just look, if your job is a button, push it, 759 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 2: be the best you can be the best. 760 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 3: Totally be passionate about it. I love it. 761 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I do a quote every night at 762 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 2: midnight on Smooth and the one that I used last 763 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 2: night was I think it might have been one of yours. 764 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 2: Be kind of the necessary, see what happens. 765 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that, you know, I love that. 766 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: You'll never regret it. You'll never regret being kind. I 767 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, gorgeous, Well, I mean I think I mean, 768 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, when you were talking about your son, just 769 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: the fact that you know he's got a mum like 770 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: you who's experienced and over I don't know if you 771 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: say overcome it, but however, yeah, you've walked through, you 772 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: understand it. You know you'll be there if it's somehow 773 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: it turns out that addiction shows up in some way. 774 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: You know, he's got someone like you to turn to 775 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: that knows exactly how to guide him. 776 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's it. Yeah, And it's just it's navigating 777 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 3: that now because he's on the internet. And yeah, you 778 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 3: know I did an Australian story, Like my story has 779 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 3: not been a quiet one, so googling my name would 780 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 3: show you know that I am an open alcoholic or 781 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 3: recovering So yeah, it's navigating that stuff. I wouldn't stop 782 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 3: my kids from drinking. I will happily hold their hair 783 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 3: back and when they're vomiting in the toilet. I was 784 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 3: sixteen years old, which it's just you know, yeah, we've 785 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 3: been there and we haven't been there yet. But that's yeah, 786 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 3: I'm not just because I have an issue with alcoholic 787 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 3: doesn't I don't impose that on anyone else, you know, 788 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: my friends or if we're out at dinners and my 789 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 3: friends are having a big night, that's fine. It's not 790 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 3: about them. It's about yeah, Yeah, exactly. It's really important, beautiful. 791 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 2: It's also tough to get up in the morning and 792 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 2: do exercise and stuff when you're. 793 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yeah, yes, no, yeah. 794 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't know about that. 795 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she does drink, so I don't know 796 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: you don't drink, no, right, Yeah, I do exercise. 797 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 2: I love a glass of red one, yes, and I'll honey, 798 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,479 Speaker 2: can we because I don't want to open a bottle 799 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 2: because I'm not going to drink it. Yes, I'm not 800 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 2: going to drink at all. So I had to find 801 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 2: a device that, you know, pulls the air out of 802 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 2: it lasts for three days. But I'll often get like, oh, 803 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 2: you have to just smell that, and she does, she does. 804 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 3: She humans you for a second. 805 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,919 Speaker 4: Yeah that's good. 806 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 3: See that's such a foreign, a foreign thing to me 807 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 3: that you would have to plunge it to close it 808 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 3: to save it for three days. It's just yeah, I've 809 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 3: never been able to do that. Yeah, it's interesting. 810 00:43:59,239 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 811 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. 812 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 2: If the wine was better, I'd probably do it in 813 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 2: a car because no air gets to that wine. It's 814 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 2: pretty nastive. Stuff's still around absolutely there. I'm cooking one. 815 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 2: I've got a cask in the cupboard. I uses it 816 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 2: for the bolonnaise and yeah, that's right. And those goon 817 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 2: bags double up as a body surfing device. Now there's 818 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 2: a dude out there on the at my beach the 819 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 2: other day, he's on a goon bag. I'm like, are 820 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 2: you kidding me? He goes, watch this it was I 821 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 2: went out the back. I said, when did you do? 822 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 2: How did this even come up? And he goes, it 823 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 2: was a joke one day, but that's his chosen body device. Yeah, 824 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 2: but he goes, it's all about the amount of air 825 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 2: that's in the bag. You've got to get the air 826 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 2: pressure right, and then he can sit on it. And 827 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 2: he gets his body out of his chest, out of 828 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 2: the water, seeing flips and all sorts of stuff. 829 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 3: But they're not it's like a little pillow. 830 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what part of his body does he not 831 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 2: on hand? He has it on his hand and then yeah, 832 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 2: exactly under his hands and he pushes himself out of 833 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: the water. He doesn't happen on the body. 834 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 4: It's a little bit. 835 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 2: It doesn't have a game of speed that you try anything. 836 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 3: When runs out of time. 837 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: All right, we do something to finish up called the 838 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: rapid heartbeat. 839 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,359 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, here we are. 840 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 4: All right. 841 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 2: One time you would like to relive again, called our. 842 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 5: Our honeymoon in Europe is amazing. 843 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, giving birth to my children, not actually giving birth, 844 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 3: but but that after process, which was just so surreal 845 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 3: and like nothing else. 846 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, What the world needs now is. 847 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 3: Kindness. 848 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 4: You'd have to agree with. Do you come onto that one? 849 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 4: You'd say? 850 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 2: Good running shoes more? All right? What do you miss 851 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 2: when you're not together? 852 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 3: Ben's calm, relaxed vibe. 853 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 4: Just just someone to talk to. That's very supportive of me. 854 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Last question? One word to describe each other? 855 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 4: I'd it's inspiring. 856 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 3: Incredible, Yeah, incredible human that's two words. But yeah, it beautiful. 857 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks so much for today pleasure. 858 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for having us. It's sounded like a counseling session, 859 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 3: and you know we got through. 860 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 2: Who was counseling? Did you learn something I did discuss? 861 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm already thinking about the email I'm going to send you. 862 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,919 Speaker 1: True that I'm kidding, I'm skid. 863 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 3: All right, Thank you. You've been lovely to Mania.