WEBVTT - Bri Lee on the Liberal Party’s problem with women

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven Am.

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<v Speaker 1>When Scott Morrison lost his job as Prime Minister, it

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<v Speaker 1>was women who sacked him. A review commissioned by the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party after the twenty twenty two election found that

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<v Speaker 1>a decline in support among women was a decisive factor

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<v Speaker 1>in their loss. The report outlined ways that the party

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<v Speaker 1>might win women back, but three years on that has

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<v Speaker 1>not happened. Today. Contributor to the Saturday Paper, Breeley on

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<v Speaker 1>what women want and why they're not getting it from

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party. It's Thursday, April twenty four so, Brie,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining me on seven am. Again, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for having me back. It's good to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to start in twenty eighteen with the

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<v Speaker 1>leadership spill that saw Scott Morrison Oltimle assume the top

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<v Speaker 1>job within the party. So tell me a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>how it unfolded and what it tells you about the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party's attitude towards women at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So three people went for the leadership position. That was

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<v Speaker 2>Julie Bishop, Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton. Obviously, in every

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<v Speaker 2>political party you've got sort of factions. In the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party at that point in time. Obviously there was the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of moderate faction and the hardline faction. Julie Bishop

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<v Speaker 2>and Scott Morrison were both in the moderate faction. Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dutt was in the hardline faction. And at this point

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<v Speaker 2>in time. The other thing you need to know is

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<v Speaker 2>that Julie Bishop was one of the most popular politicians

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia with the general public. She'd been working in

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<v Speaker 2>the Foreign Affairs Department. There was a perception that she

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<v Speaker 2>was a professional and moderate conservative, kind of reliable, bankable

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<v Speaker 2>politician as far as politicians go. But the moderates in

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<v Speaker 2>the party were not confident that there would be enough

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<v Speaker 2>votes for Julie Bishop versus Peter Dutton, and they took

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<v Speaker 2>a position of anyone but Dutton, and then the result

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<v Speaker 2>was that they kind of got Scott Morrison by default.

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<v Speaker 3>Where there was a ballot producted in the party room

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<v Speaker 3>for the leadership of the Liberal.

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<v Speaker 4>Party, the successful candidate was Scott Morrison.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie Bishop has subsequently said that she would not have

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<v Speaker 2>put her thrown her hat in the ring unless she

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<v Speaker 2>had been assured that she would have enough votes, but

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<v Speaker 2>the people in the party just could would not vote

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<v Speaker 2>for a woman to be the leader. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>with hindsight, in my opinion, that's become a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a sliding doors moment for the party because shortly thereafter

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<v Speaker 2>me too hit Parliament House.

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Morrison is presiding over this toxic culture, not just

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<v Speaker 3>in his own party, but clearly in ministerial offices and

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<v Speaker 3>in the Parliament itself. Over half, that is, fifty one

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<v Speaker 3>percent of all people currently in Commonwealth parliamentary workplaces have

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<v Speaker 3>experienced at least one incident of blean sexual harassment or

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<v Speaker 3>actual or attempted sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 5>Like anyone who works in this building, I find the

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<v Speaker 5>statistics that are presented there, of course appalling and disturbing.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish I found them more surprising, but I find

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<v Speaker 5>them just as appalling.

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<v Speaker 2>And in twenty twenty one, a bunch of National MPs

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<v Speaker 2>in particular referred to the funding of early childhood education

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<v Speaker 2>and care as outsourcing of parental responsibility, worried that it

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<v Speaker 2>would act as a disincentive for mothers who should otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>be caring for their kids at home. And that's around

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<v Speaker 2>about this time where you're then getting also all of

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<v Speaker 2>the me too stuff hitting Parliament House. There was just

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<v Speaker 2>what felt like wave after wave of roiling sort of

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<v Speaker 2>gender specific issues and the party's problems with women just

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<v Speaker 2>got worse and worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about if you were to look at it

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<v Speaker 1>over time, I suppose before Scott Morrison when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the Liberal Party and the way that they've approached

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<v Speaker 1>representation and also just policy issues.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's really interesting for this article? I interviewed Rebecca Huntley.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a demographer. She's been doing research and strategy for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of decades now, and she said that until

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<v Speaker 2>about the eighties, the Labor Party was considered to be

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<v Speaker 2>men's preference and women would vote for the Liberals because

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party was concerned with rights at work trade

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<v Speaker 2>unions and there were not that many women in the workplace,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Labor Party responded to that over the decades

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<v Speaker 2>by instigating goals and quotas for how many of their

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<v Speaker 2>MPs would be women.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi has made history this morning

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<v Speaker 4>swearing in a record number of female MPs into his

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<v Speaker 4>front bench.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, certainly on average, women in Australia think that the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party the one that's more in tune to their

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<v Speaker 2>needs and understands what is important to them. The Liberal Party,

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<v Speaker 2>by contrast, have just consistently taken this sort of hardline

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<v Speaker 2>against quotas and the result is that they are almost

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent men. And what has happened as well since

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<v Speaker 2>the last federal election where the Teal Independence won a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the seats from the more moderate members of

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 6>The moderate wing of the Liberal Party has been decimated

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<v Speaker 6>by that Teal tidal wave. In Sydney and Melbourne seats,

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<v Speaker 6>at least five climate two hundred back challengers have turfed

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<v Speaker 6>out high profile Liberals and electorates once considered the safest

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<v Speaker 6>of seats.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate Cheney and allegris Bender come from proud Liberal families

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<v Speaker 2>and those are very talented, very effective politicians. Those were

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<v Speaker 2>assets that the Liberal Party just lost. It means that

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<v Speaker 2>the only people sort of left in the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 2>are from the hardline faction, and there's just been this

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<v Speaker 2>snowball over the last decade. In particular, that means they

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<v Speaker 2>are currently at the worst possible levels of representation in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of just numbers of MPs in Parliament and they

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<v Speaker 2>are now, without a doubt they have fallen behind average

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<v Speaker 2>Australian's sort of values and where we think we're at

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<v Speaker 2>in time, and that is something that the party itself

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<v Speaker 2>is aware of and seems to be kind of unable

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<v Speaker 2>or unwilling to shift.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, how the Liberal Party is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to win back women.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bree, we've talked a little about the tier independents

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<v Speaker 1>who I suppose could have been Liberals if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps the party had worked harder to recruit talented conservative

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<v Speaker 1>women for people like Alec Respender and Kate Cheney. And

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<v Speaker 1>that story, the story of till women taking Blue ribbon

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<v Speaker 1>seats in the last election. You know, it's well known,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd like to talk a bit about what happened

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<v Speaker 1>after the election. After the coalition lost office. What did

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party do about what had happened? How did

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<v Speaker 1>they try and course correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, they commissioned a report that was

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<v Speaker 2>co offered by two of their own people, one of

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<v Speaker 2>whom was Senator Jane Hume, and that came out in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. It was a sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>looking through the ashes for any possible learnings. And the

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<v Speaker 2>report had forty nine I think recommendations. It was four

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<v Speaker 2>of those recommendations were explicitly about women or.

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<v Speaker 4>The Liberal Party have a women problem. It's most obvious

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<v Speaker 4>when you look at the House of Representatives chamber. The

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<v Speaker 4>forty seventh Parliament has a record number of women, but

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<v Speaker 4>in the Liberal Party just nine of the forty two

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<v Speaker 4>seats are held by women.

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<v Speaker 2>In that twenty twenty two report that the Liberal Party commissioned,

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<v Speaker 2>they found that a majority of women preferred labor in

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<v Speaker 2>all age segments. And the report noted, and I quote

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<v Speaker 2>here verbatim, liberal defectors in teal seats were highly likely

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<v Speaker 2>to agree with the statement that the treatment or attitude

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<v Speaker 2>toward women within the Liberal Party had a strong influence

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<v Speaker 2>on my vote. One of the things they recommended was

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<v Speaker 2>a regular kind of internal party reporting on the talent

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<v Speaker 2>was being identified, you know, talented women were being put

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<v Speaker 2>up for pre selection. One of the recommendations was the

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<v Speaker 2>establishment of a kind of you know, networking experience, knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>sharing groups specifically for women that was called the Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>Gilfoil Network. But I approached Senator Jane Hume, and I

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<v Speaker 2>approached the Deputy Liberal Leader Susan Lee, who is also

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<v Speaker 2>the Shadow Minister for Women. I asked them whether the

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret Gilfoyle Network had run any internships, mentorships, exchanges, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked whether the Liberal Party had been doing those

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<v Speaker 2>internal reports about identifying women talent or putting them up

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<v Speaker 2>for pre selection. I asked basically if they had any

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<v Speaker 2>comments to make about the gendered components of this twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two report. And there was certainly no specific response

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<v Speaker 2>about the Margaret Gilfoil Network, no response about those internal

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<v Speaker 2>reporting mechanisms, And the one reply I did get from

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Lee's office responded with a statement that was about

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<v Speaker 2>three paragraphs long that barely mentioned women at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>the first sentence was this election is a choice about

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<v Speaker 2>who can better manage the economy and help Australians get ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>It sort of mentions that women bear the brunt of

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<v Speaker 2>economic distress and then continues to just talk about cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living, tax offsets, and home ownership. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like the message was very clear in that response.

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<v Speaker 2>And the impression I'm given when I sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>do this research now is that this report was commissioned

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<v Speaker 2>by the Liberal Party in twenty twenty two. It made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of recommendations, none of those have been meaningfully

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<v Speaker 2>acted upon, and we are now at yet another election

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<v Speaker 2>cycle where none of these problems have been addressed.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about Peter Dutton specifically, can you talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me about his record on speaking on issues that affect women.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's in interesting is that pretty much the only

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<v Speaker 2>angle he's tried for to sort of appeal to women

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<v Speaker 2>is that he's tough on crime. It would be tempting

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<v Speaker 2>to think that that never works, but what we know

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<v Speaker 2>is that for a lot of people, the tough on

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<v Speaker 2>crime angle is compelling. What it just doesn't work for

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<v Speaker 2>are the people who already don't like him or that party. Because,

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<v Speaker 2>on average, the research shows that if you are a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you are a woman with a university education,

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<v Speaker 2>you are not going to want to vote for the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party. Those are the sort of generalized gendered stats

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<v Speaker 2>that Huntley's research, for example, shows for sure. But apart

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<v Speaker 2>from that sort of tough on crime cop angle, which

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion still comes through as incredibly patronizing, he's

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<v Speaker 2>still making that sort of fundamental mistake that Morrison kept

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<v Speaker 2>making where women are to be protected.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it sounds like something much bigger would be

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<v Speaker 1>needed for the Liberal Party to shift its appeal and

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<v Speaker 1>turn around, and it's fortunes with women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, my opinion on the situation is that

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to get anywhere while they keep thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of women as a problem to be solved instead of

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<v Speaker 2>an asset to be tapped. Every time people like Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton come out and say that, you know, they would

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<v Speaker 2>like to see more women in the party, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do it at the risk of compromising

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<v Speaker 2>people be deserving to be there on merit. They just still,

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<v Speaker 2>i think don't understand or appreciate how profoundly offensive that

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<v Speaker 2>is to suggest that if you act on meaningful goals

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<v Speaker 2>or quoters, to suggest that doing so means you will

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<v Speaker 2>automatically get subpar lacking in quality candidates. Is it just

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<v Speaker 2>shows a yeah, I think a fundamental lack of understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Free Thank you so much for your time, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>For having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, Elon Musk will start pulling

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<v Speaker 1>back from his role at the Trump Administration's Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Government Efficiency to focus on Tesla. In an investor call,

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<v Speaker 1>Musk acknowledged there have been rocky moments at the electric

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<v Speaker 1>car manufacturer. This year, Tesla reported a seventy one percent

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<v Speaker 1>drop in first quarter profits compared to the same time

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<v Speaker 1>last year. The massive dip is widely seen to be

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<v Speaker 1>a backlash against Musk's political activity, and a record number

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<v Speaker 1>of votes were cast on the first day of early

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<v Speaker 1>voting on Tuesday, with more than half a million people

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<v Speaker 1>heading to the polls. The turnout smashed the previous record

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<v Speaker 1>set in twenty twenty two of about three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand votes. The Australian Electoral Commission has asked voters

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<v Speaker 1>to be patient, as the strong first day showing led

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<v Speaker 1>to some voters waiting in long queues at polling centers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones is a thanks for listening