Speaker 1: O good a team, your bloody champions, Craig Anthony harpert'z
Speaker 1: you project Kate Save? What's your middle name?
Speaker 2: Patricia?
Speaker 1: Kate? Patricia Save is joining us. Tiffany and Cook is
Speaker 1: not here. But it's just us, two bloody champions, just
Speaker 1: doing what we can on a Saturday afternoon at two
Speaker 1: o four? Where are you at two four on a Saturday?
Speaker 2: I am in the office by myself. I love the piece.
Speaker 1: Are you at befit food HQ?
Speaker 2: I am yes?
Speaker 1: How's it going? And you're still raking in the money?
Speaker 1: Do you need me to bring a wheelbarrow down and
Speaker 1: fill it up with cash and help you get it
Speaker 1: into the safe?
Speaker 2: Do you know what that always could do with a
Speaker 2: wheelbarrow full of money? Couldn't hurt?
Speaker 1: What do you reckon? Like? Because you've got a pretty
Speaker 1: big organization now and you just tell quickly people who
Speaker 1: don't know you. So, hey, everyone, this is Kate. She's
Speaker 1: got two degrees. She's got I'm going to read your
Speaker 1: buyer because it never looked at it. Credited practicing dietitian.
Speaker 1: How did exercise physiologists diabetes educator double the green nutrition?
Speaker 1: Diabetics and exercise science advanced DIP in diabetes education, Masters
Speaker 1: in clinical exercise, Masters in Business admin. Done. You're not underqualified,
Speaker 1: let's say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're qualified nothing when you've done lots
Speaker 2: and lots of different things. Because I think all it
Speaker 2: does is open your mind to be more curious and
Speaker 2: realize what you don't know.
Speaker 1: Tell people about befit food, just so people who don't
Speaker 1: know you can get or just give that whatever bio
Speaker 1: of you you want. Who are you, Kate?
Speaker 2: Who am I? I'm someone who's passionate about health. And
Speaker 2: I think because I've seen over ten thousand patients in
Speaker 2: my clinical sort of practice, what I'm recognized is the
Speaker 2: majority of people actually knew what to do, very much
Speaker 2: like the people that you coach. They know what to do,
Speaker 2: they just can't bloody do it. It's too hard. They
Speaker 2: need someone to coach them, to guide them, to make
Speaker 2: them more curious and to have some confidence. And I
Speaker 2: think beefit Food I developed it. It's ten years this
Speaker 2: month actually, so ten years ago and well that's when
Speaker 2: we launched it, and the idea of it was really
Speaker 2: to actually give people the missing piece so they knew
Speaker 2: what they needed to eat. They were just too time
Speaker 2: for So everything that I'd talked to them about I
Speaker 2: put into the food, the four to twelve veggies, high protein,
Speaker 2: low CAUP, no added sugar, no artificial sweetness, no added
Speaker 2: you know, colors and flavors and those sorts of things.
Speaker 2: So just whole food, super super simple and small portions
Speaker 2: because I think at the end of the day people
Speaker 2: probably eat too much, and having a small portion often
Speaker 2: people go, it's a pretty low calorie one. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that allows you to have your couple of pieces
Speaker 2: a dark chocolate, your glass of wine, you're whatever it
Speaker 2: is you feel like having without that impacting your health,
Speaker 2: your weight, not having to sort of compensate and do
Speaker 2: all these other things. So they're pretty small portion meals,
Speaker 2: but they've got everything jam packed in them that you need.
Speaker 1: I reckon like, for a lot of my life, a
Speaker 1: lot of my life, I just well, how much, Craig,
Speaker 1: how much of your life? At least at least a third,
Speaker 1: maybe nearly a half of my life. I just ate
Speaker 1: too much food. I just I literally just you know,
Speaker 1: if I if my body needed X most days, I
Speaker 1: would give my body X plus twenty percent. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need to be a bloody. You
Speaker 1: don't need a PhD or a master's or anything to
Speaker 1: kind of go, oh, well, if you put more energy
Speaker 1: in the and yeah, it's a bit more nuanced than this.
Speaker 1: And there's a few other variables. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Craig, if you're expending on average twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred calories and you're putting in three thousand, there's
Speaker 1: a five hundred kind of calorie difference or surplus that
Speaker 1: something's got to happen with that. And apart from a
Speaker 1: few other variables, you know your body's going to store
Speaker 1: at least some of that fat. And I think that
Speaker 1: like being able to just because there's so much emotion
Speaker 1: around food cake. And I feel like you give I
Speaker 1: reckon you're kinder than I am, because you go people
Speaker 1: don't eat well because they're time poor. I reckon bullshit.
Speaker 1: I reckon people don't eat well because they love fucking
Speaker 1: high fat, high salt, high taste food. It's not I
Speaker 1: agree with you. Time is an issue, But I think
Speaker 1: over like, I didn't eat shit because I was time poor.
Speaker 1: I ate shit because I love the taste of shit.
Speaker 1: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: Now it's the ultra process food market. It hijacks your brain.
Speaker 2: So your brain was literally hijacked by the top three,
Speaker 2: you know, global food groups in the world that have
Speaker 2: spent gazillions of dollars on tricking your brain into thinking
Speaker 2: that the whole purpose of life is that next mouthful.
Speaker 2: And that's the sad reality of it is that you
Speaker 2: can walk into a supermarket when you really hungry and
Speaker 2: buy some baby cucumbers, but you're not going to because
Speaker 2: they're not at the cashro just stuff. They're not wrapped
Speaker 2: up in pretty packaging, and they don't hijack your brain
Speaker 2: and make you feel like you're taking drugs or alcohol
Speaker 2: or whatever it is that lights up your brain pressing
Speaker 2: the Pokey's button. And that's what these foods do so well.
Speaker 2: And I think the sad reality of it is that
Speaker 2: now it's really hitting the children. What sorts of chance
Speaker 2: do they have as adults? If we've seen this over
Speaker 2: decades and decades slowly occurring, and I get it, once
Speaker 2: you get to fifty sixty seventy, maybe you just give up,
Speaker 2: you don't care, and you eatat you want to eat,
Speaker 2: and that's just that's what you've chosen. But when children
Speaker 2: are developing obesity at an alarming rate. So it's tripled
Speaker 2: since the nineteen seventies. And I think the kids now
Speaker 2: it's they think it'll be a quarter of children by
Speaker 2: twenty thirty. They already know from the sign and said
Speaker 2: they stand no chance as adults really of having a
Speaker 2: healthy weight. You are far more likely to be overweight
Speaker 2: as an adult if you're overweight as a child. And
Speaker 2: I actually interviewed Professor Felice Jacka, who I believe you've
Speaker 2: chatted to as well, haven't you the smiles trial Deacon, No,
Speaker 2: you'd love her as you need a chat, Deacon, Distinguished
Speaker 2: Professor Felice Jacka. Oh, I am just a few things,
Speaker 2: but she's the number zero point zero one percent of
Speaker 2: the most cited professors in the world for food and
Speaker 2: mood and the gut, microbiome and nutritional psychiatry. If that's
Speaker 2: the word, I might have got it wrong, but it's
Speaker 2: something like that. And basically they just know now that
Speaker 2: the gut and brain are connected the hippocampus, so the
Speaker 2: memory centering the brain, the learning center in the brain
Speaker 2: is directly linked to the gut. If you eat the
Speaker 2: wrong food, you can't fix your brain. And she published
Speaker 2: the Smile trial and smiles as an acronym, but everyone
Speaker 2: knows that as a smiles trial. She couldn't actually remember
Speaker 2: what the acronym stood for on the interview, so I
Speaker 2: didn't have to remember either. And it literally had people
Speaker 2: either having counseling with major depression anxiety or seeing a
Speaker 2: dietitian and getting dietary advice. The people that got counseling
Speaker 2: got an eight percent remission in their major depression anxiety.
Speaker 2: The people that saw a dietitian got an over thirty
Speaker 2: percent remission in anxiety and depression. And I've been gazillions
Speaker 2: of studies since that all support this notion, and it's
Speaker 2: not actually directly linked. Well, it's not linked to weight,
Speaker 2: is what she sets like there studies, even when weight
Speaker 2: does not change at all. It is the quality of
Speaker 2: food that we eat. And the biggest nuance in all
Speaker 2: of this is the ultra process food, which is foods
Speaker 2: that are classified by the NOVA systems or it's a
Speaker 2: class safcation system that basically just means they don't have
Speaker 2: any whole food ingredients in them. It's food drive from
Speaker 2: what was food a long long time ago. So it's
Speaker 2: just not food anymore. Wowah the supermarket.
Speaker 1: So just just for your interest in mine and our listeners,
Speaker 1: and you'll forget it and I'll forget it. So the
Speaker 1: Smiles trial, the Smiles acronym is supporting the modification of
Speaker 1: lifestyle in lowered emotional states. But it is, I mean
Speaker 1: everything's intertwined, isn't it, Like like marketing is intertwined with psychology.
Speaker 1: I mean marketing is essentially psychology, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: Try it well, it is. I mean marketing, you know
Speaker 1: much and all as I don't like them sometimes, but
Speaker 1: by god, they're smart. I mean the job of a marketer,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, is to manipulate, coerce, trick people to
Speaker 1: buy stuff like we're trying, yeah, and to get them
Speaker 1: to buy whatever it is that you're selling. Right, even a.
Speaker 2: There's nothing exciting about a tic tac, Yet people buy
Speaker 2: tic TACs. Like look at this little white what looks
Speaker 2: like a pill? How is that exciting? Why does that? People?
Speaker 2: Like people up? You know, white people buy them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, why do people buy a three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollar car, of course, not everybody when they can buy
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollar car with a longer warranty that's
Speaker 1: cheap at to run, cheap at a service probably more reliable,
Speaker 1: will lose less money in terms of percentage because people
Speaker 1: want people to see them in the six times deerer car.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I understand that too. That's so
Speaker 1: whiteer people buy a fucking eight thousand dollars handbag. White
Speaker 1: blokes like I live in Hampton. Every second bloke's got
Speaker 1: a twelve thousand dollar fucking graphite pushbike that weighs one down,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, this is you. Come on, bro, you're
Speaker 1: fifty five years old. You're not going to the Olympics,
Speaker 1: and it's good that you're training, but you you don't
Speaker 1: need a bike that's worth more than the average car.
Speaker 1: But we do it.
Speaker 2: I've got another bug bear with all of this. Now,
Speaker 2: you're a non drinker? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay? So I decided to give up alcohol for a year.
Speaker 2: I started on the second of December twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to go to the third of December
Speaker 2: this year or whatever that is a year. And my
Speaker 2: reason for doing it was not because I drink a lot.
Speaker 2: I probably I'm lucky to get a drink once a fortnite.
Speaker 2: Maybe two glasses of wine a fortnite. So it's not
Speaker 2: that drinking is a problem for me why I gave up,
Speaker 2: but I wanted to understand the psychology behind it, the
Speaker 2: marketing behind it, because when I ask people why they drink,
Speaker 2: they always see they feel more relaxed, or if they're
Speaker 2: going out, they have more fun, or they dance more.
Speaker 2: They do this, they do that, and they think it's
Speaker 2: all tied to alcohol, and I think it's a load
Speaker 2: of bs because I went to a music festival girlfriends,
Speaker 2: and I thought, I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 2: dance and not drinking. How embarrassing I danced. I had
Speaker 2: no issues. I get home after work and I pull
Speaker 2: myself a soda water or a mineral water or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I relax. I actually go out to all my
Speaker 2: favorite wine bars. I have like four wine bars that
Speaker 2: i'd go and visit after work, and I do that
Speaker 2: because it's just a spot for me to stop and
Speaker 2: relax before I go home or pick up kids. So
Speaker 2: I now go and have they all know I'm not
Speaker 2: drinking alcohol, and they've got some non alcoholic something for me,
Speaker 2: and they know I like, they're no added sugar ones.
Speaker 2: So it's not the buzz or the relax from the
Speaker 2: alcohol or the sugar. So what is it? Is it
Speaker 2: just marketing? Have we been told that alcohol makes us
Speaker 2: feel this way or more likely to pick up or
Speaker 2: we can be an idiot when we're on alcohol, because
Speaker 2: my husband still thought I was an idiot at the
Speaker 2: dance festival and I'm like, and I'm not even drinking,
Speaker 2: Still an idiot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, that's really like the psychology of selling food
Speaker 1: and booze. And I mean there's good food that's sold,
Speaker 1: there's bad food that's sold. But like you said that,
Speaker 1: nobody's putting broccoli or fucking Brussels sprouts or carrots at
Speaker 1: the checkout in supermarkets, right, We're not getting any of that.
Speaker 1: There's not a fresh fruit produce section near the till.
Speaker 1: But I think, oh, if you.
Speaker 2: Are hind you put it on the packet and then
Speaker 2: you get fined three million dollars per pretending that it
Speaker 2: had something in it that it doesn't, So they must
Speaker 2: have tried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I reckon. It's interesting because I've never been
Speaker 1: a drinker, so I've never had to give up and
Speaker 1: people like, over the years, people would say to me,
Speaker 1: I mean everything from like what the fuck is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Through to oh, you're amazing, how disciplined you
Speaker 1: I go it takes zero discipline because I've never It's
Speaker 1: like saying to a non smoker, fuck, how do you
Speaker 1: not smoke? It's so good of you. Like I think
Speaker 1: about drinking alcohol and yeah, well I don't really, but
Speaker 1: if I did, I'm like, it's like, there's just there's
Speaker 1: no there's no sense to me missing out of deprivation
Speaker 1: of poor me. And over the years, like one thing,
Speaker 1: I've had a version of this many times. People will
Speaker 1: say because of how I live and by the way,
Speaker 1: I never recommend anyone live like me. In fact, the opposite,
Speaker 1: I say, just figure out what works for you and
Speaker 1: do that because everything from my job, the way I work,
Speaker 1: the way I eat, the way that I socialize. I
Speaker 1: don't think the way that I do life would suit
Speaker 1: most people or be optimal for most people. But people
Speaker 1: almost feel sorry for me, like I am missing out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like. At the risk of sounding
Speaker 1: a little bit aeric, I'm like, I'm sixty one. I
Speaker 1: take no medical well, I take one tablet which is
Speaker 1: for genetic blood pressure, but that's other than that and
Speaker 1: that's not lifestyle, that's genetics. But I take no medication
Speaker 1: other than that. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I
Speaker 1: at two meals a day. I lift weights every day,
Speaker 1: I walk ten k's every day. I'm strong, I'm leaning
Speaker 1: on functional. My brain works good. I mean, I could
Speaker 1: die next week. I hope not. But you know, all
Speaker 1: things being equal, like, there's not a lot of reason
Speaker 1: to feel sorry for me. And some people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're missing out. I'm like, have you do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: other than the fact that you're drinking booze. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's going to sound judge, but some of the people
Speaker 1: that are telling me this, they're not the high watermark
Speaker 1: for health, if you know what I mean. And I'm like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: you can't get another body. That's the only one you've got.
Speaker 1: And you're having a dig at me because I don't
Speaker 1: drink booze like you, and you're gonna I mean like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult because you don't want to be arrogant,
Speaker 1: but you care about and look this whole thing as
Speaker 1: you you know, you were talking about kids, right, and
Speaker 1: let's open that door a bit because I was I
Speaker 1: was a morbidly obese kid. And you know, people get
Speaker 1: a bit hysterical when I say I was a fat kid,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, firstly, I'm talking about me, not
Speaker 1: any other human. Yes, what I was fat, two, I
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying I was a bad human. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm shit. I'm just saying I was morbidly obese.
Speaker 1: That was the practical physiological reality of my childhood. Now
Speaker 1: that might bother you. But the other truth is that
Speaker 1: childhood obesity is on the rise in Australia. But when
Speaker 1: you say that, people take that as some kind of
Speaker 1: moral judgment. No, like it or not like it. There
Speaker 1: are negative physiological consequences to obesity. You might not want
Speaker 1: to And we're not saying that that you can't be
Speaker 1: relatively healthy. We're not saying that you're a bad human.
Speaker 1: We're not saying you're weak, We're not saying none of that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I know that lots of disease correlates
Speaker 1: pretty positively with obesity. That's not an opinion or an idea.
Speaker 1: That's fucking science. Now, if the science upsets you, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't make this shit up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have friends who are out of shape, and I
Speaker 1: love them, and they know they're out of shape because
Speaker 1: they talk to me. I don't love them any less.
Speaker 1: In fact, I care about them and worry about them.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what they look like. I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what they weigh. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck what anyone else thinks of them, or whether
Speaker 1: or not they can fit into this or that. But
Speaker 1: I want them to live a long, healthy, happy life.
Speaker 1: That's my motivation. And it's just like, Wow, there's so
Speaker 1: much shit you can't and it seems like, and I've
Speaker 1: said this too many times, we're more interested in protecting
Speaker 1: someone's feelings for three minutes than their physical health for
Speaker 1: three decades.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And so that's stat around childhood obesity. It's eighty
Speaker 2: percent of overweight children become overweight adults. Eighty percent. Would
Speaker 2: you intentionally, as a pair of and if there's something
Speaker 2: you could do about only giving them a twenty percent
Speaker 2: chance of being a healthy weight, Like, wouldn't you do
Speaker 2: something about that? Like those odds are pretty high. And
Speaker 2: I feel like it's not publicized enough. It's not talked
Speaker 2: about on the television, the media, whatever we're looking at
Speaker 2: because we're trying to be very gentle about people's feelings,
Speaker 2: which is fine, but what about their health and what
Speaker 2: about the fact that they'll have a lower life expectancy
Speaker 2: than their parents. I can tell you right now, if
Speaker 2: my kids didn't live, I don't know how I could
Speaker 2: keep living. Like, once you're a parent, you can't imagine
Speaker 2: life without your kids. Now, imagine that the majority of
Speaker 2: parents that are giving birth today are going to have
Speaker 2: to bury their children because their children's life expectancy is
Speaker 2: going to be less than their own. So that's a
Speaker 2: pretty scary thought and it's a horrible thing to say,
Speaker 2: but it is a reality of where the health of
Speaker 2: Australia is heading. And it's not just Australia, it's the
Speaker 2: entire world. It is the fact that the manufacturers are
Speaker 2: the ultra process food. They fund the governments, they fund
Speaker 2: the science, they fund everything. They fund the supermarket. So
Speaker 2: we think we're getting a choice when we go to
Speaker 2: the supermarket. We stand back and we look at the shelves,
Speaker 2: or we look in the fridge, or we look at
Speaker 2: the freezer, and we think I'm going to pick the
Speaker 2: healthiest thing here. Well, guess what the healthy shit did
Speaker 2: not get into the supermarket. They cut it. Beefit. Food
Speaker 2: is being cut because the supermarkets don't get enough margin
Speaker 2: out of it, they don't get enough sales. They say,
Speaker 2: that's not what people want. Okay, So if people want cocaine,
Speaker 2: you're going to get them cocaine. If people just want
Speaker 2: a well, we do. We have a whole aisle of
Speaker 2: ice cream now, so that's what you get. And that
Speaker 2: is a problem that we are not acting as adults
Speaker 2: and making decisions that are better for our futures and
Speaker 2: better for our health. We are literally listening to the
Speaker 2: little thing in our head that tells us just ice cream.
Speaker 2: Just give me two aisles of ice cream. All Like
Speaker 2: in the States, when you walk into a supermarket and
Speaker 2: it's pretty much all ultra process food, Like you could
Speaker 2: stand there for hours just trying to pick a loaf
Speaker 2: of bread because they come in so many different colors,
Speaker 2: with so many different flavors and so many different additives,
Speaker 2: and all of them are ultra processed. So people do
Speaker 2: not have a choice when they walk in. The choice
Speaker 2: has already been made for us, and that's the people
Speaker 2: aren't recognizing.
Speaker 1: Okay, good now, I'm going to play the devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, by the way, but I'm just
Speaker 1: going to take another look at it. Right, So I
Speaker 1: think part of the I think so I'm a businessman,
Speaker 1: you're a businessman, you're a business woman. Sorry woman, yep,
Speaker 1: last time I checked. So here's my thing. Though I
Speaker 1: agree with you and I wish there are way better
Speaker 1: food options in supermarkets, but the job of a supermarket
Speaker 1: is not to care about people's health. It's to make money,
Speaker 1: so they are always going to go. So we've got
Speaker 1: beefit food or we've got fucking Bob Smith's ice creams.
Speaker 1: What's the bigger margin? What are people you know, what
Speaker 1: are Australians addicted to? Well, of course fuck beefit food.
Speaker 1: See you. Yes, it's a better product, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: make us more money. So I think, while I agree
Speaker 1: with you, I think our hope or expectation that they
Speaker 1: will be ethically driven, not financially driven, like that they
Speaker 1: will make the best decision, not for the bottom line
Speaker 1: of the organization, but the best decision for the health
Speaker 1: of the nation. I don't think we can expect that.
Speaker 1: I wish we could just could help.
Speaker 2: Like the government, so do you know there's a four
Speaker 2: hundred tax on cigarettes. Guess what the tax is that
Speaker 2: we're trying to get through on sugar beverages like soft
Speaker 2: drinks ten percent, and they taxed it fo one hundred
Speaker 2: percent like they did smoking. Because it's actually the second
Speaker 2: leading cause of death is ultra process foods and obesely
Speaker 2: related illness. Then why are we not you know, more
Speaker 2: people are dying of that than anything else. Why is
Speaker 2: that not being at the same rate of cigarette smoking? Like,
Speaker 2: let people know, put a warning side. This will cause
Speaker 2: an amputation later on in life. You may go blind,
Speaker 2: your kidneys will fail, and you may lose a leg
Speaker 2: if you drink this every day for the next forty years,
Speaker 2: which people have been doing without the warning. But God
Speaker 2: forbid you say something's healthy. I don't think you're allowed
Speaker 2: to say that. The guidelines are pretty strict about not
Speaker 2: being able to call that healthy because is it really healthy? Well,
Speaker 2: where's the call out to say this will kill you
Speaker 2: at some point in time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, oh I love it. I'm never having you
Speaker 1: so fired up. Hey, okay, a couple of things. You
Speaker 1: make a really good point, some really good points. I
Speaker 1: just want to backtrack on one thing, four hundred percent
Speaker 1: tax on cigarettes. Now that goes to the government, right yep. Well,
Speaker 1: how fucking amazingly profitable are cigarettes for the government?
Speaker 2: Yes, right yep? Can they completely because where's that money
Speaker 2: going to come from?
Speaker 1: How ironic is that the thing that we absolutely, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, talk about the extreme case. We unequivocally absolutely
Speaker 1: know that cigarettes cause cancer. Nonetheless, despite the government's alleged
Speaker 1: kind of concern, they're still making a fuck load of
Speaker 1: money through that particular thing that kills people, hand over fist, right,
Speaker 1: And so one we know that this causes cancer. Two
Speaker 1: we still sell it. It's still legal. Three we make
Speaker 1: lots of money from it. What why is this not
Speaker 1: being you know, why is this not the biggest you know?
Speaker 1: But by the yeah, but by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to have.
Speaker 2: I'm a soft drink in the supermarket, there's no age
Speaker 2: limit on that, at least with cigarettes. If you're andre
Speaker 2: d and you're not allowed to buy them, but you
Speaker 2: can go the soft drink. I'll fill up your trolley
Speaker 2: full of soft drink and down three laters a day,
Speaker 2: and that's that's okay, that's unsupervised.
Speaker 1: Can I say a pursuant to your comments about sugar,
Speaker 1: your honor, one of my friends is about two inches
Speaker 1: away from fucking dialysis because his kidneys are fucked right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he has just drunk sugar for forty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. I lost a friend on dialysis too from sugar,
Speaker 2: and he had amputated toe and it should have been feet,
Speaker 2: should have been more, but he died before the extra amputations.
Speaker 2: But five hours, three times a week on dialysis. I
Speaker 2: used to sit with him and chat to him, and
Speaker 2: he goes, God, I wish him to wish I listened
Speaker 2: to my doctor when I was forty and I was
Speaker 2: a pilot. He told me, if I don't stop eating
Speaker 2: like this, I'm going to die of a heart attack.
Speaker 2: By the time I'm sixty, I'm going to lose my legs.
Speaker 2: He told him everything, and you'll be blind. And he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here now, and every single thing my doctor
Speaker 2: told me he was right about. He goes, except outlive
Speaker 2: the doctor.
Speaker 1: So isn't it interesting how we It's almost like we
Speaker 1: have to have some tragedy personally happen. Not everyone, of course,
Speaker 1: but how many people get told a version of that?
Speaker 1: If you don't do this, then this is probably a
Speaker 1: likely outcome. And I'm not trying to judge our listeners
Speaker 1: or anyone here, but I'm thinking, how many times did
Speaker 1: you know, even myself, Like, there's stuff I'm going to
Speaker 1: throw me under the bus. There's stuff that I've done
Speaker 1: over the years, not necessarily around for just shit, you know,
Speaker 1: habits and patterns and behaviors that were somewhat counter intuitive
Speaker 1: and counterproductive and borderline toxic. But it's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: kept doing avert. You know, for me, part of it
Speaker 1: was food. I mean, I kept I've told you this,
Speaker 1: but you know I was. I was a fat kid,
Speaker 1: and then I got in shape, but I still didn't
Speaker 1: really sort out my relationship with food. I was just
Speaker 1: white knuckling it for years because I hadn't really created
Speaker 1: massive internal shift where I had really created a new normal.
Speaker 1: It took me until I was about thirty five. But
Speaker 1: I remember, even in my late twenties and early thirties, Kate,
Speaker 1: I got I got out of shape again, but I
Speaker 1: had lots of muscle, and I always wore the right
Speaker 1: clothes and all that shit. But I was so I'm
Speaker 1: made five kilos now, I was one hundred and seventeen kilos,
Speaker 1: so thirty two kilos heavier at one stage. At stage,
Speaker 1: I owned three gyms, and I was basically giving people
Speaker 1: advice that I wasn't following like you know I was,
Speaker 1: and it I I can't remember exactly what happened, but
Speaker 1: I had an epiphany. I can't remember if anything triggered it,
Speaker 1: or I remember thinking part of it was. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing myself in a photo that was not all of it,
Speaker 1: but part of it, and I went, I look fucking
Speaker 1: I was humiliated and embarrassed because I had Now I'm
Speaker 1: only talking about me, everyone, don't get angry. I had
Speaker 1: deluded myself to what I looked like. And I went, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, you are You are a morbidly obese bloke
Speaker 1: who owns a gym and multiple gyms and tells people
Speaker 1: how to eat and train and optimize their life, and
Speaker 1: you're not fucking doing it. You're a fraud. And I
Speaker 1: just went right, I'm you know, I have to put
Speaker 1: up my hand and go, I'm the problem. I am, literally,
Speaker 1: And I can tell myself all the stories, Oh you've
Speaker 1: got lots of muscle and you but yet all that
Speaker 1: bullshit it's going yea, yeah, but I'm literally fucking up
Speaker 1: my own health and that I would say. It took
Speaker 1: me until I was about forty before I think I
Speaker 1: really kind of where I had created a normal operating
Speaker 1: system that actually worked. And it wasn't. It wasn't discipline
Speaker 1: and self control and will power right, but it just
Speaker 1: like getting your food right or your booze right, or
Speaker 1: your body right, because there's so much We have so
Speaker 1: much emotion around our eating and our socializing and our
Speaker 1: appearance and our weight. So I understand all the pain
Speaker 1: that people have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also you.
Speaker 1: Can't get another body. It's fucking look up for that one.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think too to really remove the actual
Speaker 2: kilo's weight scales part, I don't weigh myself, not for
Speaker 2: any other reason than we've got really bloody, annoying scales
Speaker 2: and they're digital and you've got to touch the buttons
Speaker 2: and bend down and touch them, and I don't. I'm
Speaker 2: just too lazy too, So I just don't weigh myself.
Speaker 2: But I know that my weight doesn't really change by much.
Speaker 2: I think it always stays within a five KI low window.
Speaker 2: But that's because I do mostly the same things, and
Speaker 2: I think it's only if I would I changed or
Speaker 2: stopped exercising completely. And I'm not someone who's obsessed with exercise.
Speaker 2: I do pilates twice a week, and I just make
Speaker 2: sure I go for a couple of runs or walks
Speaker 2: or a bit of strength training. But the weight isn't
Speaker 2: the trigger. It's how you feel in terms of your energy,
Speaker 2: your emotions. For me, if I'm not looking after myself,
Speaker 2: my glands go up. So it's not weight, it's what
Speaker 2: should your body feel like. And if you're used to
Speaker 2: feeling one hundred percent, then you know when you're at ninety.
Speaker 2: If you're used to feeling ninety percent, you know when
Speaker 2: you're at seventy. And if you're only used to feeling
Speaker 2: fifty percent but you're waking up at twenty percent, there's
Speaker 2: something wrong and everybody should be able to feel one
Speaker 2: hundred perc. I believe that because I've seen people go
Speaker 2: I just didn't know that I could wake up with energy.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that I could get out of bed
Speaker 2: in the morning and feel good. And that's if you
Speaker 2: haven't felt like that, it's possible. But if people don't
Speaker 2: tell people it's possible to feel like that. They can't
Speaker 2: make an effort to feel better. So it's not the weight,
Speaker 2: it's the health of the total body. And you know
Speaker 2: in your own brain what that feels like and if
Speaker 2: your body feels healthy. So I think, yes, being overweight
Speaker 2: and carrying lots of body fat is really hazardous for help. However,
Speaker 2: there is no perfect number, There is no perfect weight.
Speaker 2: It is when do you feel supercharged? When do you
Speaker 2: feel amazing? When are your joints not sore or not inflamed,
Speaker 2: or your energy levels or your brain working clear and
Speaker 2: those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said a good thing. Oh, you said
Speaker 1: lots of good things. But one thing. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people who haven't really kind of really really
Speaker 1: tried to optimize their body and their genetics and you know,
Speaker 1: nutrition and lifestyle. I think sometimes they get they're shocked at.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you a quick story. So when
Speaker 1: I opened my first studio, which was nine ninety, Australia's
Speaker 1: first PT studio, i'd literally been open for a couple
Speaker 1: of months and on the door downstairs this was pre
Speaker 1: I mean it was Harper's, but it wasn't called that.
Speaker 1: So my gyms were called Harper's, but my first studio,
Speaker 1: it just had Craig Harper Fitness Consultants, which was very
Speaker 1: fancy in ninet ninety, Like, all fuck is a consultant?
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was just a fucking bodybuilder trying to
Speaker 1: be fancy, right, But anyway, this lady came up the
Speaker 1: stairs and she was seventy one years old. I won't
Speaker 1: say her name. She was carrying a basket, you know,
Speaker 1: the cane basket with the handle, sir, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to lose some weights and she had no idea. She'd
Speaker 1: never been to a gym, she'd never really been an exerciser,
Speaker 1: and she was overweight and unfits and unhealthy, but seventy
Speaker 1: one years old and walked up because it said fitness consultant.
Speaker 1: Then she walked up and she basically just walks into
Speaker 1: this pet studio where there's this big fucking buffhead in
Speaker 1: the singlet training himself in the middle of the day
Speaker 1: called Craig Harper. And then she opens the door, comes
Speaker 1: into the gym because she walks up some stairs and
Speaker 1: then sees me and absolutely just shits herself, herns around
Speaker 1: and starts to walk out. So I quickly kind of
Speaker 1: go saialo and I somehow talk her into doing a
Speaker 1: session and she's terrified. So I said just come in
Speaker 1: later or come in. Maybe it was the next day,
Speaker 1: and I said, let's just do thirty minutes something. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to charge you. Come in and if you
Speaker 1: don't like it, don't come back. And if you like it,
Speaker 1: we'll maybe do a few more. No pressure, no, you know,
Speaker 1: zero zero costs, zero risk. And so I didn't even
Speaker 1: know she turned up. She came back next day. The
Speaker 1: quick version is this, so I started working out with her.
Speaker 1: She literally couldn't run thirty meters like she was, you know,
Speaker 1: very overweight, very unhealthy. Everything that you shouldn't do apart
Speaker 1: from cigarettes, she did.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Fast forward about eight months and what age was she
Speaker 1: seventy one?
Speaker 2: Right? Okay?
Speaker 1: Her and I did a five k fun run. She ran, ran,
Speaker 1: She did not walk one step. She ran the five
Speaker 1: k's I remember her. I shouldn't say this, but it
Speaker 1: was just funny. She was a cack. She was quite
Speaker 1: big and quite busty, and she used to hold her
Speaker 1: boobs when she ran, and she'd be like, you'll be
Speaker 1: the death of me, you know. In order we got on.
Speaker 1: I was kind of almost like her grum's grandson, because
Speaker 1: I was a kid then. But anyway, this beautiful woman,
Speaker 1: and oh she lost forty k's. She went from like
Speaker 1: ninety five to like fifty five. She was little, she
Speaker 1: was short, and she started running and started strength training
Speaker 1: and she would dead lift, she would squat, she would
Speaker 1: do and her family, her daughter rang me and asked
Speaker 1: to come and see me, and she said, I'm on
Speaker 1: behalf of my family. Thank you. And when we did that,
Speaker 1: and I mean I was just coaching it. I didn't
Speaker 1: do any of the work. She did one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of the work. And I said that to the daughter,
Speaker 1: I go, your mom is fucking awesome. But you know
Speaker 1: what I loved because she didn't have any idea of
Speaker 1: her capacity, and so when I said we're going to
Speaker 1: do this, she didn't have a reference point to say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's too much, or that's too heavy, or that's too far.
Speaker 1: She would just say can I do that? And I'd go, yes,
Speaker 1: you can, and so she would just do.
Speaker 2: It no way.
Speaker 1: My long point is we've got a lot of potential
Speaker 1: at any age.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. I got the biggest shock I was filming
Speaker 2: on Thursday. I've got a message from my dad saying
Speaker 2: I've just joined the gym. We can talk about it
Speaker 2: at dinner tonight. And he's eighty two. He turned eighty
Speaker 2: two in January. We lost Mom two years ago. So
Speaker 2: Mum was seventy, Dad was eighty mm went to aerobics
Speaker 2: five days a week, she ate all the right things,
Speaker 2: she was fifty five kilos and she died of no
Speaker 2: known cause. And Dad had funeral insurance for himself because
Speaker 2: he ate McDonald's. He worked a you know, sedentary jobby's
Speaker 2: whole life. He was not particularly healthy. Mom was supposed
Speaker 2: to live forever. Dad was meant to die. He even
Speaker 2: had his funeral insurance. So when Mom died, Dad's like whoa,
Speaker 2: Like that was supposed to me? Me, how did this happen?
Speaker 2: And you know, none of us know, but that's the world.
Speaker 2: It's a weird place. So then Dad, ever since Mom
Speaker 2: has died, has started all these really really healthy behavior.
Speaker 2: So I went over there the other day and like
Speaker 2: he's sitting in his couch and I go, like, there's
Speaker 2: no glass of wine there. Usually every afternoon of his
Speaker 2: life he'd drink a couple of glasses of wine and
Speaker 2: I go, what are you eating? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I've just got some yogan and berries. Not that sweet
Speaker 2: and stuff though, just you know, the plain, great yogat
Speaker 2: and berries, and I go. Mommy's literally turning in her
Speaker 2: grave to think that eighty two year old dad would
Speaker 2: touch yogurt and fruit like he was the macas guy.
Speaker 2: He would. He's a very good cook, so he could
Speaker 2: cook everything, cook very healthy, bring us up. We never
Speaker 2: had crap in the house, but he would sneak out
Speaker 2: every day and get Chinese takeaway or macas and then
Speaker 2: he'd cook a healthy dinner for everyone, but he'd never
Speaker 2: eat it because he wasn't hungry. And I just can't
Speaker 2: believe that he's decided to join the gym. He goes,
Speaker 2: have you seen the facility. It's amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm joining the gym. He's never done a day of
Speaker 2: exercise in his life. Mum used to beg him on
Speaker 2: holidays to come sight seeing with us, but he didn't
Speaker 2: want to walk, so he barely he would barely go sightseeing.
Speaker 2: And it's just unbelievable what he's discovered now that it's
Speaker 2: his health and he wants to be there for the grandkids,
Speaker 2: so he walks twice a day from his new little
Speaker 2: unit down to the shops and back, and it's half
Speaker 2: an hour each way. He's walking over an hour a day.
Speaker 2: And he said to me when he first started doing it, oh,
Speaker 2: my hip was a bit sore and this and that,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, oh, yeah, you've probably got lots of
Speaker 2: join issues, lots of information. He goes, oh, but it's
Speaker 2: all better now that I've been walking. It's gone. All
Speaker 2: this pain at eighty two is gone, and he's a
Speaker 2: completely different human. I'm out own away.
Speaker 1: That is amazing. But I don't know if you should
Speaker 1: tell that story. The reason I don't know is you're
Speaker 1: kind of fucking undermining your earlier message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well there you go. No, but you can
Speaker 2: change with any stage. And I think that's a you think.
Speaker 2: And so I'm powering and how people feel is everything.
Speaker 2: And Dad is so freaking smart. He's like an owl
Speaker 2: if you see him, he's like a wise out. He
Speaker 2: knows everything there is to know about the process bood
Speaker 2: and he tells me about it all the time. So
Speaker 2: he's decided now he's not going to put that stuff
Speaker 2: in his body. He's done it his whole life. But
Speaker 2: now he's decided no, I'm not going to do it,
Speaker 2: and I don't well, I do know what the switch was.
Speaker 2: The switch was mum dying, but that I don't know
Speaker 2: how he took that message. We thought he'd wallowing, you know,
Speaker 2: he's pitying his sadness and just curl up and die,
Speaker 2: which often happens when people are being together that long
Speaker 2: and or you know, loneliness and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But he didn't. He's gone the complete opposite.
Speaker 1: Oh, good for dad, Good for dad, And also, isn't
Speaker 1: it good? I love it when people start to educate
Speaker 1: themselves about like what does this do to my body?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What is that?
Speaker 1: If? I? Oh, what's you know? Like I've been teaching
Speaker 1: my mum and dad you know about Okay, so here's
Speaker 1: what happens if you have great sleep. Here's what happens
Speaker 1: if you have shit sleep, right, and you know where
Speaker 1: Obviously everyone knows sleep's important. But when you start to understand, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I need a sleep strategy, maybe I need some
Speaker 1: kind of protocol because everything else in my life is
Speaker 1: pretty good except my sleep. Well, guess what if you
Speaker 1: eat well and you exercise well, and you've got pretty
Speaker 1: good genetics, and your lifestyle is healthy, but you're chronically underslept,
Speaker 1: You're not going to be healthy despite all the other stuff.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's my first.
Speaker 1: Ye one hundred percent, and we need and it's not Look,
Speaker 1: we don't need to be extreme, but just like you
Speaker 1: want to plan with your food, you want to plan
Speaker 1: with your exercise some of us and like, probably the
Speaker 1: biggest challenge is it the big I would think collectively
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge that people have that I talk to is, Yes,
Speaker 1: food is an issue, exercises issue, motivation is an issue.
Speaker 1: I reckon. Nearly fifty percent of people I talk to though,
Speaker 1: say I don't sleep.
Speaker 2: Great, absolutely, and I hear that every day. And I know,
Speaker 2: you know, particularly for brain health, and I think the
Speaker 2: damage that can happen at any age by not sleeping.
Speaker 2: But if you've got kids that are not sleeping because
Speaker 2: they're on devices and the blue light and kids now
Speaker 2: having anxiety and depression and apparently fifty percent of depression
Speaker 2: is diagnosed under the age of fourteen. So this was
Speaker 2: Professor Police Jaka telling me this the other day, and
Speaker 2: I was like, fifty percent. So if you're going to
Speaker 2: get depression, fifty percent of people get it at such
Speaker 2: a young age. I was so surprised by that. But
Speaker 2: sleep plays a role in that as well, so food, exercise, sleep.
Speaker 2: And then on the other end of the spectrum with
Speaker 2: the older people, like dementia and memory loss and all
Speaker 2: of that excelerated by not having enough sleep. So god
Speaker 2: knows what happens in the middle. We're probably too busy
Speaker 2: to notice, but it's going to get us at some stage.
Speaker 1: And also you know, digestion and in crime system and
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, everything like brain health everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's such a myriad of variables and outcomes from that.
Speaker 1: But also back to kids and teenagers. You think, what
Speaker 1: is and I know we're not inventing the wheel here,
Speaker 1: this is not a new conversation, but the relationship between well,
Speaker 1: how long are your kids on their devices and what
Speaker 1: time do they go to bed in relation or what
Speaker 1: time do they try to go to sleep. Well, if
Speaker 1: you were playing with your your phone or your iPad
Speaker 1: or your computer or whatever until ten and then at
Speaker 1: ten oh two you're trying to sleep, good luck, because
Speaker 1: your brain is lit up like a fucking Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: You're not going to sleep. Yeah, your brain's in this
Speaker 1: hyper vigilant state that is, you know, and then the
Speaker 1: idea of all right, so you're going to go to
Speaker 1: bed at nine point thirty, no screens for worst an
Speaker 1: hour and a half, yeah, before bed, like and then
Speaker 1: they're like, but what would I do? Oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: something other than look at a screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I've noticed my ten year old she'll say, Mum,
Speaker 2: can we read a book before bed? Now hated reading?
Speaker 2: You know, maybe he's a little little kid loved having
Speaker 2: a book read to her. She still doesn't like reading.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, I don't know whether it's come
Speaker 2: from school or it's come from YouTube or something else.
Speaker 2: She knows that her brain's not going to shut down,
Speaker 2: she's not going to sleep if she's on her device
Speaker 2: before bed. And I noticed this week she's actually started journaling.
Speaker 2: And I said, what are you doing? She's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got one of your notebooks. Can I use this
Speaker 2: someone to write a diary? And she started writing a diary,
Speaker 2: and I'm all, at a peek, I'm so curious what
Speaker 2: she's putting in there. And I'm like, even though that's
Speaker 2: a you know, a dear diary, that's journaling. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's so much young kids can teach us that we
Speaker 2: should be doing. So she reads a book and she journals,
Speaker 2: so she doesn't die at ten. And yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's intuitive. It's certainly not something that we've
Speaker 2: role modeled or told her or made her do, so
Speaker 2: maybe it is intuitive. If I don't know, I'm very
Speaker 2: surprised at the behavior because it's not something that we've
Speaker 2: directly intervened with.
Speaker 1: I love journaling. I love, you know, even with back
Speaker 1: in the day when I used to train a lot
Speaker 1: of people a different kind of journaling, but I got
Speaker 1: them to journal everything from sleep to food to exercise, sets, reps, mood, energy, drinks, coffee, tea, booze, micros, macros,
Speaker 1: And I know we have trackers for that now, but
Speaker 1: I love the manual, physical, tactile process of writing shit
Speaker 1: with my hand and a pen in a book. And
Speaker 1: then I can open the book and go what do
Speaker 1: I eat last Wednesday? What time do I go to bed,
Speaker 1: What time did I get up? How much water did
Speaker 1: I drink? How much coffee did I have? How much
Speaker 1: tea did I have? What time did I eat dinner?
Speaker 1: How was I feeling? Because when you get all this
Speaker 1: data down, all of a sudden patterns emerge and you go, ohhh.
Speaker 1: When I do this, it produces that outcome. I feel
Speaker 1: like this when I in like thirteen minutes before bed,
Speaker 1: I sleep like shit. My sleep quality is a four
Speaker 1: and ah right, and I just think and with that,
Speaker 1: you know, you can also put down you know, how
Speaker 1: do you feel? You motivated today? You demotivated today? I mean,
Speaker 1: even even me, like I'm fucking special, how arrogance? What
Speaker 1: I was about? Say husband, say even me, Puck and
Speaker 1: even Craig Harper who knew, but even me, I have
Speaker 1: shit days And I don't even know why I'm having
Speaker 1: a shit day now, Not like I want to, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking crack the sads to the world, but days where
Speaker 1: I feel flat or a little bit of low level
Speaker 1: anxiety or a little bit sad or.
Speaker 2: Human just a little bit here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, ah, what, there's no fucking now.
Speaker 1: Of course there's a reason, but it's not apparent to
Speaker 1: me in the moment. But you know, to anyone who's
Speaker 1: listening who thinks, you know, I would really like to
Speaker 1: know how I work, as in you, how you work better?
Speaker 1: How about this? How about you commit to one hundred
Speaker 1: days of journaling, and not not seven days, not ten days,
Speaker 1: one hundred days of writing down all of those things
Speaker 1: that are going to impact you know, like mind stuff,
Speaker 1: brain stuff, energy stuff, physical stuff, productivity, efficiency outlook, you know,
Speaker 1: problem solving, resilience, all of those things, everything from sleep
Speaker 1: and food and exercise to you know, how many stimulants
Speaker 1: you're having, and how much like I just think it's
Speaker 1: a good project and process to learn about ourselves.
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't agree more. I've kept a food
Speaker 2: record since I decided to be a dietitian or maybe
Speaker 2: a personal trainer, so many many decades actually, so I
Speaker 2: actually have never gone back and looked at them, but
Speaker 2: I have a whole box of them in the bottom
Speaker 2: of the cupboard in the office at home, and I
Speaker 2: literally just scribble down at the end of each day.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's what my kids think I'm journaling or
Speaker 2: something that they've role modeled. But I literally write down
Speaker 2: my food, my exercise, if I've taken any supplements, or
Speaker 2: i I've had alcohol, or what I've drunk, or where
Speaker 2: I've been in every country the world that I've ever
Speaker 2: traveled to. I've never ever missed a day, And why
Speaker 2: do I do it? I feel like I have an
Speaker 2: obligation to my clients because I used to make them
Speaker 2: do it every single day. Yeah, and if I was
Speaker 2: hands on practicing every day, I would do it with
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of people. I make my husband do
Speaker 2: it when he goes on a challenge. I'm like, write
Speaker 2: down your food. If you want to control what you eat,
Speaker 2: you need to hold it. It will change your behavior.
Speaker 2: You need to write it down because if you don't
Speaker 2: reflect on it, you can't change it. It's only in
Speaker 2: the reflexion that the mirrors held back up at you
Speaker 2: when you can see what you're doing. Like, the patterns
Speaker 2: are behaviors. So the act of just writing it down
Speaker 2: actually helps people change behaviors. We did a small clinical
Speaker 2: trial and the placebo was writing down your food. They
Speaker 2: lost point eight of a kilo in a week, and
Speaker 2: versus the other arm we put them on beef it food,
Speaker 2: they lost three point two kilos in a week. But
Speaker 2: the act of writing it down they have better behavior.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter what they point they write it down three.
Speaker 1: Point two that's a fucking lot of weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But do you know the big thing is it
Speaker 2: was their blood sugar levels reduced by ninety percent below
Speaker 2: the line, which means that the people that they are
Speaker 2: all type two, they all had type two diabetes. And
Speaker 2: when they lost point eight of a kilo in week
Speaker 2: one by just eating their normal food, their blood sugar
Speaker 2: level stayed saying, which is all over the place. So
Speaker 2: we monitor them two hundred and eighty eight times a day,
Speaker 2: so every five minutes for seven days, and we charted
Speaker 2: it and their sugar levels changed a little bit, but
Speaker 2: ninety percent of theirs sugar levels were in the diabetic range,
Speaker 2: which is what you'd expect for a diabetic. When they
Speaker 2: went on beefit food for seven days, ninety percent of
Speaker 2: their blood sugar levels came back into the healthy, non
Speaker 2: diabetic range, which shows that if you eat well for
Speaker 2: seven days, you can put your diabetes into emission if
Speaker 2: you can find a way to sustain it. And that
Speaker 2: is my goal for beefit food is to be in prevention.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in treatment. But the problem
Speaker 2: is sixty seven percent of people need treatment and are
Speaker 2: seeking treatment and a googling weight loss. They're not googling
Speaker 2: health prevention. They're not googling. I just want to be healthy.
Speaker 2: They're googling things, and you've got to feed that Google monster,
Speaker 2: that metaur Facebook, Instagram monster. You've got to be where
Speaker 2: they're looking. But for me, it's about health improvement, feeling good,
Speaker 2: role modeling, healther behavior. My kids eat the meals because
Speaker 2: they're no different to my lazagnia. If I give them
Speaker 2: the lazagna, it's whole meal lasagna. It's nothing special about it.
Speaker 2: It just has heaps of hidden veggies. You grade it
Speaker 2: in like it's like their babies, and they don't know
Speaker 2: it's there. It's lasagna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's You know what is amazing how many people
Speaker 1: don't realize that you can go from being a type
Speaker 1: two diabetic, like with all the physiological issues that go
Speaker 1: with that too, as you said to kind of not
Speaker 1: being a dimission yeah, like well inter remission where yeah,
Speaker 1: and wow, that's interesting. That's your what.
Speaker 2: Bubbles up in your bloodstream over about twenty years. So
Speaker 2: people say, my blood sugar levels are fine. I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm I'm going to develop diabetes. Even though they
Speaker 2: may have been gaining weight every year for the last
Speaker 2: one to two decades. They don't feel themselves. They've got
Speaker 2: no energy, they've got triglys ride levels, fat levels in
Speaker 2: the blood going up, all these other things. But they
Speaker 2: go into a glucose or a HPA one C and
Speaker 2: the doctor says, oh, your glucose is normal. Well, guess
Speaker 2: what your insulin, your fat storage hormone is going through
Speaker 2: the roof to make it normal. So it's all a
Speaker 2: cover up. Your body is covering it up. And then
Speaker 2: one day you're going to go to the doctor and
Speaker 2: they go, guess what, You've got diabetes. You go, You've
Speaker 2: never even told me I was at risk. You've told
Speaker 2: me it's been perfect the last twenty years, even though
Speaker 2: I've eaten a you know, all the things I sort
Speaker 2: of know I haven't, and I know I've gained at
Speaker 2: least one kilo a year or half a kilo a year.
Speaker 2: But when you do that over twenty five years, it's
Speaker 2: not good for your body. You need to have these
Speaker 2: signs and symptoms to actually you know, have a rain
Speaker 2: check and you know, look at your behaviors. So insulin
Speaker 2: resistance is completely completely hidden. People are not looking for
Speaker 2: insulin resistance because they don't know how to do, because
Speaker 2: the doctors don't test for it. You've got to do
Speaker 2: a Homer index, and doctors will not do that. It's
Speaker 2: too hard, too expensive, takes too much time. So how
Speaker 2: do you know, Well, if you're slowly gaining weight over time,
Speaker 2: there's a very good chance you've got inchulin resistance. Forty
Speaker 2: percent of the population have it, and ninety percent of
Speaker 2: people that have insulin resistance will have what we call
Speaker 2: metabolic inflexibility, or where they're fuel that they eat, instead
Speaker 2: of going into their bloodstream for energy, goes straight into
Speaker 2: their fat stores, So they keep gaining weight every time
Speaker 2: they eat, even though they're not doing anything particularly wrong
Speaker 2: or eating particularly bad. They have insulin resistance, and the
Speaker 2: only way to correct it is to reverse things back
Speaker 2: the other way with all the healthy behaviors that we
Speaker 2: talk about consistently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not much fun though, it's.
Speaker 2: Not unless you, Yeah, what part of it's fun doing
Speaker 2: it with friends, working out with friends? You know what's
Speaker 2: fun without the cake? I don't know what's.
Speaker 1: Fun as the result the results.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's how you feel. The energy that you wake
Speaker 2: up with, the energy you go to bed with, the positivity,
Speaker 2: the mood during the day, and we know it's connected
Speaker 2: to moods, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. How do people find you? Follow you, connect
Speaker 1: with you? And where can they actually get some beefit food?
Speaker 2: Go to the website for beefit Food or Chemists Warehouse
Speaker 2: there are biggest supporter at the moment, they are going
Speaker 2: to roll it out in all stores. We're in thirty
Speaker 2: Ish stores. They've got over five hundred and fifty in Australia,
Speaker 2: plus with their merger the other day with Sigma, we'll
Speaker 2: go into all their other stores and everything as well
Speaker 2: over time. But online, Chemists Warehouse and then all the
Speaker 2: little riches and IDAs are very supportive. You'll find a
Speaker 2: handful of meals in Woolies. Up until sort of mid
Speaker 2: this year, we were fighting the battle. But we were
Speaker 2: told the other day even the gluten free section said,
Speaker 2: even though it's gluten free, people aren't looking for healthy
Speaker 2: gluten free, they're just looking for you know, what's already there.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, the old process crap in the
Speaker 2: healthy gluten free section, right, Okay, Well we don't fit
Speaker 2: there because we're too healthy, so.
Speaker 1: There be less healthy. That's the take home.
Speaker 2: Yeah Instagram Kate save yeah.
Speaker 1: Perfect, Sorry if it's up, always good to chat to you.
Speaker 1: So informative, so inspirational and so authentic and I love
Speaker 1: that about you and today getting a little bit fired up,
Speaker 1: which I love to see.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you bring it out in me, Craig. You
Speaker 2: find the little spot and it's like, you know, you
Speaker 2: just poke it and then it erupts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my job. That's my job to poke the
Speaker 1: metaphoric bear. All right, say goodbye affair. But as always,
Speaker 1: Kate saved befit food. I eat beefit food. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say all the time, but I've eaten a
Speaker 1: bunch of them. Everybody, really good, give it a go,
Speaker 1: Give it a go. And if you are struggling and
Speaker 1: they go, this is not a sales pitch. This is
Speaker 1: just truly what I think. You know that I don't
Speaker 1: promote anything that I don't believe in. In fact, I've
Speaker 1: turned back lots of money because people wanted me to
Speaker 1: promote shit that I thought was rubbish.
Speaker 2: Won't.
Speaker 1: But I genuinely think this is a great product. So
Speaker 1: at the very least, if you need to maybe think
Speaker 1: about trying to reverse a few things that need to
Speaker 1: be reversed, or change some habits and behaviors, or you
Speaker 1: need some structure and you need some kind of plan
Speaker 1: to move forward with your reading in a healthy way.
Speaker 1: Go check them out.
Speaker 2: Thanks Kate, thank you, and look forward to tuning in again.
Speaker 1: Perfect