1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pittalk, brought to you by Shannon's. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: On today's episode, Max Verstappan is one penalty point away 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: from a race ban after crashing into George Russell in 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: a moment of madness, and Oscar Piastre wins again to 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: take a ten point championship lead into the weekend break. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: My name is Michael Lomonato. It's great to have your 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: company and the company of my co host. If he 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: were ever to have a tantrum, he'd know to protect 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: his injured wrists. It's Matt Clayton. 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Michael. Lovely to join you, but I will say if 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: we're halfway through this podcast and I'm just not feeling 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: a vibe, i might just leave for the rest of 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: it and leave, just leave you as a one car 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: operation for the remainder of the pod. But always good 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: to join you. And well, we've done many Spanish Grown 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Prix pods over the year where it's like, yeah, who 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: was on pole, they won, that's all fine, nothing happened, 18 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: But yes we had a pulseeat a winning but there 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: was a bit going on in the last part of 20 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 2: that race. So I think we've got more than enough 21 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: content for one podcast. 22 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: I would have thought, yes, many evolving race reports were 23 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: written and rewritten and written again in the last twenty 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: minutes of that. 25 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, stick your hand up if you were doing that. 26 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly, but I was quite the interesting conclusion. MAXW. 27 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: Staffan obviously the biggest talking board. He actually had really 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: quite a good race up until the last twelve or 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: so laps. The safety car is what undid his race 30 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: from the pure results perspective, but then everything else was 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: really down to him. I mean, this is the in 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: my mind, Matt, and correct me if you feel like 33 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: this is wrong or missing anything, But the chronology is 34 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: this safety car comes out, he gets hard tires, a 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: bit unhappy about that, then has a big snap out 36 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: of the last corner. Charlotte Claire passes him, touches him 37 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: on the way. It's pretty unhappy about that. Gets into 38 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: the first corner, George Russell tags him pretty He's quite 39 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: unhappy about that, and then his engineer tells him, well, 40 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: maybe you should give that position back to Russell because 41 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: we're not confident about the rules. And he's apoplectic about that, 42 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: and then decides he's going to crash into George Russell. 43 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: Just because I mean, they are a lot of buttons 44 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: pushed to be fair, but in a very specific order 45 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time. I thought it 46 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: was remarkable how quickly this fuse. 47 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: Blue Welling, as you had said out before him. What 48 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: he'd done before that was that he and Red Bull 49 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: had come up with this three stop strategy to I mean, 50 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: they knew that if they did exactly what McLaren did, 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: they were going to lose that race. So you do 52 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: the only thing you can do when there's a podium 53 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: at worst and probably something better on the line. You 54 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: do what the other team with the better card doesn't do. 55 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: And they'd done it absolutely brilliantly, to the point where 56 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: I think Vastappen's pace on the three stop were actually 57 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: caught McClaren by surprise a bit in that there was 58 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: that radio message about halfway through saying to piastri NIC's like, 59 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: you guys need to get on with this because Max 60 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: clearly is more of a threat than they were expecting. Yes, 61 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: the safety car and then the decision to be put 62 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: on hard tires, they were the only ones that he 63 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: really had, or certainly new ones that he had to 64 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: put on. He wasn't particularly pleased with that, but you're right, 65 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: it unraveled so fast, and I guess the irony of 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: all of this is that the team told him to 67 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: hand the position back to George Russell, where the Stewarts 68 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: came out after the race and said there was nothing 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: to see here. He didn't have hand it back anyway, 70 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: So all of this could have been avoided for something 71 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: to happen four corners before, because if Max's engineer is like, no, 72 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: stay where you are, then we don't have the situation 73 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: with George Russell. We don't have the penalty at the 74 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: end of the race. We don't have him dropping from 75 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: fifth that the checkered flag down to tenth, which had 76 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: ramifications in the Constructors Championship race, which we'll talk about. 77 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: But yeah, in the space of what five corners coming 78 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: out of the last corner at the restart to turn 79 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: four on the first lap of the restart, the whole 80 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: thing went completely haywire. And it does undo a lot 81 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: of the good that Max did in this race, because 82 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: a lot of it was terrific, make no bones about it, 83 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: but our lasting memory of this race was this loss 84 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: of composure. And this is not the first time we've 85 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: seen him just railing against everything he can possibly rail against. 86 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: And I guess there's a wider play here in that 87 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: there's so much to admire about the way he goes 88 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: about it. He's almost a better underdog that he is 89 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: a champion, if you know what I mean. And watching 90 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: the level that he's driving at this year, clearly driving 91 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: a card that's inferior to the McLaren's pretty spectacular. But 92 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: then you have days like this and it's just it's 93 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: I'm disappointed, mil I'm disappointed for me, and disappointed to view, 94 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: and disappointed for everybody because he can be better than this, 95 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: but he chose not to be yes. 96 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: And he often is better than this. He makes the 97 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: point that he's better than this through his driving. I 98 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: think what there's so many things I find remarkable about this. 99 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: That it happened on its own probably is the least 100 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: remarkable part of it, because, as you say, we have 101 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: seen it before, not exactly this. Obviously, we've seen these 102 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: blow ups, you know, we saw it even in I 103 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: suppose the most recent or the two most recent I 104 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: was of Mexico last year, where he was doing all 105 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: sorts of silly things in battle with Lando Norris and 106 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: then in Austria last year, which I think was maybe 107 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: the reemergence of it after having things relatively his own 108 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: way in twenty two and twenty three of this kind 109 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: of I'm not even sure how exactly I want to 110 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: describe it. Impetuousness maybe, or a little brain snap in 111 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: the heat of battle. But the common thread in the 112 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: last few years, at least, when he's sort of established 113 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: himself as the title winner who can set the standards, 114 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: but obviously he is not without his flaws, is it's 115 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: It seems to me, it's when he feels like races 116 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: get away from him, when things are suddenly going against 117 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: him in a way he didn't expect. He thrashes around 118 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: a little bit and really searches at the bottom of 119 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: the toolbox for what he's got left, which is essentially 120 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: a hammer. And I think that that is interesting in 121 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: this race, because the story of the season for the 122 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: first eight rounds was that, all right, red Bulls on 123 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: the back foot. Max defending his title is probably a 124 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a long shot. We don't know how 125 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: the season's going to evolve, but nonetheless he's going to 126 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: do it. He needs to rely on McLaren making some 127 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: mistakes but him being perfect, and he has been perfect 128 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: right rounds this season. I don't think we can look 129 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: back at any particular race and say he's got anything 130 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: other than the maximum of his car out of the 131 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: circumstances from it. And this weekend he gave away a 132 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: lot of points in a totally unnecessary moment of red 133 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: mist of rage. How we want to decide exactly his 134 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: brain snapped in that moment, And I think that's interesting 135 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: because until that collision, and I've been when I've written 136 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: this week on the Fox Sports website, I think this 137 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: weekend did finally snuff out his championship defense, now fifty 138 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: points behind or forty nine points behind, And it's not 139 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: the points margin so much as it is the context 140 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: of his car is just not competitive enough to come 141 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: back from that much, and at least what we've seen 142 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: so far, there was a title on the line in 143 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: my mind before that incident, and he blew it. And 144 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that should be blown up 145 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: too much because obviously he's won four titles, so we 146 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: know he can win them. But that just to me 147 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: seems so contrary to what we kind of understand to 148 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: be how he drives when a title is actually up 149 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: for grabs when he has a goal. 150 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: And also too, you know, yeah it was it was 151 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: a long shot, but it was still a shot. Yeah, 152 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: And I think that's the context of what you're saying there, 153 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: and that, yes, a lot of things would have needed 154 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: to have gone wrong outside of anything he could necessarily 155 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: do something about to remain in title contention for this 156 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: enormously long season that we're only nine rounds into. But 157 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: there's a couple of points here, this whole thing of 158 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: basically fighting one on two every single weekend against McLaren 159 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: and an occasional Ferrari or an occasional Mercedes. But the 160 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: fact that it's him and him alone having to fight 161 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: this battle, you know, fighting two cars off with you know, 162 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 2: one with each hand over the course of these races. 163 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: That's got to be wearing to a degree. But the 164 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: other part of all of this is how much of 165 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: the behavior when things spiral like this, is a product 166 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: of the environment that he's in, Because you know that 167 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: if the shoe had been on the other foot and 168 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: he the team had felt that he'd done something wrong 169 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: or something on Sunday, Christian Horner would rock up to 170 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: the post race debrief with a bunch of print outs 171 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: and telemetory and grabs and do a whole there. Let 172 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: me show you what actually happened here. When something like 173 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: this happens, when Max is completely banged to rights, we 174 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: get absolutely nothing from Red Bull management at alls and 175 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: Max finished tenth and we squat at some points today, 176 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: there's no It's like having a child, right that just 177 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: behaves in a certain way, and you make allowances and 178 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: excuse that and enable that level of behavior, and when 179 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: they do something that is completely egregious, you turn the 180 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: other cheek. You know, when they've drawn with crayon all 181 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: over the wall, you start talking about how nice the 182 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: paint is rather than what the kid's done to it. 183 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: And so part of the way he reacted on Sunday 184 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: in Spain was, yes, that moment in an isolation, but 185 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: it's every other moment that you know, we have print 186 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: outs being brought to post raced reson. You think of 187 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: Mexico last year as a classic case with Lando Norris 188 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: and arguing the toss on those sorts of things. I've 189 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: forgotten which race it was earlier this year that Horner 190 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: did turn up with a bunch of prints. I think 191 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: it was Saudi guess with Piastri at turn one. That's right, 192 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: So you know that he's good for that. Once every 193 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: five or six races, the office photocopier gets a bit 194 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: of a bit of a bit of a run. But 195 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: you do wonder how much of this is the incident 196 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: in isolation and the frustration with a really good afternoon 197 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: going to waste through a circumstance that was triggered through 198 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: no fault of his own, no safety car. Is finishing 199 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 2: third at worst, and perhaps even second because he was 200 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: hunting down Norris quite nicely. How much of that is 201 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: frustration with the moment? And then how much of that 202 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: is knowing that you can behave a certain way because 203 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: you've been enabled to behave that way over a number 204 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: of years. 205 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Yes, Because as the one cast status of that team 206 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: tells you, the team needs him a lot more than 207 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: he needs the team. Yes, and that's enabled that environment. 208 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: There's one other element that I think is interesting that 209 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: I've sort of only struck me yesterday thinking back on 210 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: the race on Monday, and that is the George Russell 211 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: element of this. It's been the sort of quiet. I 212 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: don't even know if rivalry is the word I want 213 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: to use here. Quite feuge perhaps that we'd all forgotten about. 214 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: That kicked off last year in Kata, where he we've 215 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: a stap and blocked Russell on a qualifying lap. Wasn't 216 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: even actually on a qualifying lap. They're both on warm 217 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: up laps, but got a penalty that demote him to second. 218 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: Russell got onto Pole happened up winning the race, but 219 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: some really strong words exchanged between them. I actually went 220 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: back and had a look to remind myself of them, 221 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: and they were even stronger than I remember. George Russell's 222 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: talking about total loss of respect. Someone needs to stand 223 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: up to this bully. It's not the way this and 224 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: that and the staff and had his own responses there 225 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: as well. Clearly things have patched over. Is not really 226 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: what's happened. You know, they haven't fought each other again since, 227 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: but there's clearly still something simmering in the background. I 228 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: can't help but wonder had Russell hit him on the 229 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: straight and Lecler bumped him at the first corner, would 230 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: any of this have happened? And I think that's the 231 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: interesting element, not because of the well, we've got a 232 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: great fun rivalry. Maybe if Russell ever gets in the car, 233 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: it's good enough to compete with Maxim has happened. But 234 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: the fact that that probably was in his head and 235 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: influenced his decision making so long after the fact, I 236 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: think he is probably telling of the way he goes 237 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: about his business. 238 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, completely, And because it was the third element of 239 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: a chain of things going wrong, because you had you know, 240 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: why am I on these hard tires? And then you're 241 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: having the side by side with Leclaire on the straight 242 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: after he miraculously save that snap coming out of the 243 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: last corner. And then when you're that, to quote David 244 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: Croft het up words that nobody else actually ever uses 245 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: bad thing to say to you, and you've got a 246 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: mouth of the coffee. But when you're that annoyed about 247 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: everything that's going on and then you get nerved off 248 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: at the first corner by George Russell, as in Tarlie 249 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: last year, George Russell, there was an incident in bak 250 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: who you remember where they had that conversation. In part 251 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: for me, there's a long history between these two so 252 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: that was a bit of a red rag to a 253 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 2: bull there for Stappen, But I don't know. I mean, 254 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: you do wonder. A lot of the greats in f 255 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: On history. This is another podcast. Quite frankly, I won't 256 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: go too long on this, but a lot of the 257 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: greats in f On history they have these sort of flaws, 258 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: of these gray areas in that you know, there's sporting 259 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: things or behavioral things, or temperamental things in that respect. 260 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: If Max is going to be one of the greatest 261 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: in the history of the sport, which I guess he's 262 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: in a conversation for in a career that's still active, 263 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: he actually fits in with a lot of these guys 264 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: because they all had their own their own foibles in 265 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: this regard. But I just find it incredibly unbecoming for 266 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: a guy who is as good as he is and 267 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: has been proven to be a winner as much as 268 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: he is. I just don't know if you can keep 269 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: lashing out like this. But I also think you look 270 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: at someone like Russell, like Russell knows he can wind 271 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: Max up at this point, Let's be honest, he just 272 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 2: has to be there and look at it and to 273 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: wide part and that is something that you know more 274 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: often than not, you know, axis in position to win 275 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: races or get podiums and it's not really really an issue, 276 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: but it can wind him up and it can be exploited. 277 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think that element comparing him, 278 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't propose to sick on this for 279 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: too much because it is really its own podcast from 280 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: of Max's position in the greats and why it's telling 281 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: that he has this one very serious flaw like they 282 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: all do. I get that because they're all world champion. 283 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: None of them are absolutely perfect. That's obviously clear. But 284 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, so he's been liking, for example, other drivers 285 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: who have hit other drivers deliberately, which is what happened 286 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: to here. You know, you think back to Michael Schumacher, 287 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: and you think back to Aden Sener, right, but he 288 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: was fighting for fourth place in a race that has 289 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: no championship consequence. All those examples of drive of center 290 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: and Schumacher and striking other drivers were all at the 291 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: very minimum, to be fair to them, if you want, 292 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: in the heat of a championship battle, championship deciders usually 293 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: with your direct arrival, battling for the lead or for 294 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: the championship victory, not George Russell round nine to fourth 295 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: to keep yourself within one victory. 296 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: That's completely right. And you think you know a race 297 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: that you and I often mentioned that we both sort 298 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: of hid behind our respective couches and watch the twenty 299 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,239 Speaker 2: twenty one Saudi Arabia GP where that was completely unhinged 300 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: that race, But there was a title at stake with 301 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: all of the silliness that was going on with Max 302 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: and Lewis Hamilton that night, and I absolutely hated it, 303 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: but I understood it at the same time because the 304 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: stakes were so high Max was under siege from Hamilton 305 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: and Mercedes coming on at an incredible rate of knots, 306 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: and you know, Abu Dhabi and so on and so forth, 307 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: and then we all cry into our keyboards and then 308 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: we go with the rest of our lives. But as 309 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: you said, like it's round night and you're fighting for 310 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: fourth at the Spanish Grand Prix, Like what do we 311 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: actually do again? 312 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it'll be interesting to see where this moment 313 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: shakes out over the course of the year. I mean, 314 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: like I say, I suspect that he'll play no real 315 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: role in the championship beyond probably interfering with the front. 316 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be proven wrong and be spectaculally if I were. 317 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: But yeah, where this fits into the Verstappa narrative is 318 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: a question for another time well down the road. Just 319 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: unfortunate this ended up coloring what had been such a 320 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: good race for Max Matt. Let's look now to move 321 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: of the week, brought to you by Shannon's Spanish Grand Prix, 322 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: the only race over the course of the weekend. And 323 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: like we've said several times, I was pleased with the 324 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: amount of racing we've got for a race that doesn't 325 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: offer a lot of racing usually, so very exciting there. 326 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: I've got a couple in my mind, but I'll let 327 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: you kick us off. 328 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: I reckon this will be on your list, so giving 329 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: you you've got a couple on going to steal probably 330 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: the best one. I'm looking at the lap chart here 331 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: on FOREX. Thank God for FORX when you haven't remembered 332 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: exactly what was going on in a race. But lap 333 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: sixty five, Nico Holkeenberg overtakes Lewis Hamilton, so I'll just 334 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: say that again. Nico Holkeenberg and a Souba overtakes Lewis 335 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: Hamilton in a Ferrari for sixth on the road at 336 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: the time which you're looking at it going, is this 337 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: just an Aston Marsham with some sun coming off? 338 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: It? 339 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: Is that? Why this green car is scrapping up the 340 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: front with a Ferrari. Unbelievable race by Hulkenberg generally, But 341 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: to get that done two laps from the end of 342 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: the race in a car that I'm il only thinking 343 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: it's his best race results in proudly nineteen or twenty 344 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: twenty something along those lines, and not a race result 345 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: or that owed itself to a heap of retirements or 346 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of luck. He had an awesome first lap 347 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: and maintain the pace in that car. And these are 348 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: the races why you sign a Nicico Holkenberg towards the 349 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: end of his career, because once or twice a year 350 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: he's good for something like this. But to put a 351 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: move on a Lewis Hamilton driven Ferrari to take a 352 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: place at what ended up becoming fifth, becoming fifth after 353 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: Everstappen was penalized, extraordinary performance, but the absolute highlight of 354 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: his race. Now I know that was on your list 355 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: because I can see you nodding here. You clearly have 356 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: another candidate, So what have you got? 357 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: He started fifteenth dis Deever, it wasn't even the best 358 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: sou of qualified. 359 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: Unbelievable race. 360 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: Trefenders also involves Nico Holkenberg, but his way earlier in 361 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: the race on lap two, in a battle with Fernando 362 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: or Alonso, was Alonso passing Holkenberg, although I do think 363 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: Hokenberg got him back immediately afterwards. But this was Alonso 364 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: around the outside of turn three, and it was just 365 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: if you look up a definition of what what does 366 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: an Alonso overtake look like, I think this is it. 367 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: He'd been, he had not had a great start, he 368 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: was pointless. This year is his home Grand Prix. I 369 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: think he's an ambassador of this race as well, just 370 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: in time for it to fall off the calm the 371 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: next year. I don't know what that says about, but anyway, 372 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: just this great move set up through turn two. I 373 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: mean we think in your mind you might think, well, 374 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: the Aston Martin, obviously that's a better car than this hour. 375 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: It's not really this year. In fact, the tied on 376 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: championship points at the moment. It's not that good a 377 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: car for him to hang on around the outside early 378 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: in the race. Not a lot of grip, a lot 379 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: at stake. I just thought there was such a gutsy 380 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: and great move, and it was great because you know, 381 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: this year we've been talking a lot about Alonzo looks 382 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: a bit down and out and has he a bit 383 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: passed it, Like is his motivation still there for a 384 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: car that's no good? And this was like, no, it's there, 385 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: He's still got it well. 386 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: And I got all nostalgic about it, because if you 387 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: think about some of Fernando's most audacious overtakes and particularly 388 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: starts over the years, there's an absolute highlight reelmit magical 389 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: things he's done in that particular circuit. You remember him 390 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: in a Ferrari going down the out, going down the 391 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: inside with two wheels on the grass to overtake a 392 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: couple of red Bulls one year. But the best part 393 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: about it is that he had said that the Aston 394 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: Martin drs is not particularly good, so they can't pass 395 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: anybody on the strait. So it's almost like so I 396 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: just had to invent something, and you know you've beat 397 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: it that so you know what it's like, that is 398 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: no joke that corner there, that they are absolutely pinned, 399 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: and seeing him on the outside putting a move on 400 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: there because he figured that's the only place I can 401 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: get this done. Fernando in that sort of mode is 402 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: still one of my favorite things in Formula One because 403 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: it's so opportunistically cunning, and it's been a dreadful season 404 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: because they haven't managed to score any points. So for 405 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: him to put that overtake on and score some points 406 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: for the first time this season and do it at 407 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: home yet full marks. 408 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, very good, A great one of the highlights of 409 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: the Spanish Grand Prix, undoubtedly, though if you're Oscar Piastre, 410 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: the whole race, whole weekend was really a highlight, because 411 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: this was a very strong weekend for him. He re 412 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: extended his title lead to ten points after controlling the 413 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: Grand Prix, not really any point after FP one, if 414 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: you want to be generous, I guess, in which he 415 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: wasn't in total control, maybe with the exception of the 416 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: very first lap of Q three when Landon Norris just 417 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: pipped him thanks to a in Pastre's words, chiefy slipstream. 418 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: But this felt to me a lot like a return 419 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: to regular programming at the end of this triple header 420 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: after Monaco being well, Monaco really quite an outlier, and 421 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that hearing Pastri speak afterwards 422 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: about obviously quite a good, comprehensive performance whatever, but talking 423 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: about how he's at the stage now where him and 424 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: team are just putting together the percentage points now, like 425 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: just trying to perfect this little thing here, this little 426 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: bit there, pulling them together, and suddenly you have these 427 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: weekends where he just really looks unbeatable, and I think, 428 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: correct me, I'm I'm trying to think back through the 429 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: course of the season, probably the first race in a 430 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: while where we've had a pretty direct head to head 431 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: between the two drives. I guess Miami we kind of did, 432 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: but there was a much bigger delay between them getting 433 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: past with staff and that influencing. This felt like a 434 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: much more head to head. Norris's on form, Piastre's on form, 435 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: and there was just no doubt. 436 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: Well, and that's those little increments. This is how you 437 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: build a world championship, isn't it? And it's the recipe 438 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: for anyone who's built a world championship in a season 439 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: where they're clearly is one dominant car. But isn't it funny? 440 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: Like we're eighteen minutes into the podcast and we've got 441 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: oh yeah, the Australian guy. And you know we've got 442 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: to a point now where you know we're not taking 443 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: this for granted. I mean, I think we were talking 444 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: about that stat yesterday. He's won five races this year. 445 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: It's the first time in Australian's won five races in 446 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: a year since nineteen eighty with Alan Jones, and I 447 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: think the only other time was nineteen sixty when so 448 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: Jack Brabham did it. So and we still have if 449 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: I'm doing my maths correctly, fifteen rounds remaining, which was 450 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, twice the length of the twenty nineteen sixty season. 451 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: But anyway, but the point you made never in doubt. 452 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: It just never felt that once we got through Saturday, 453 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: and yes, Norris had that lap in Q three where 454 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 2: he got a bit of assistance from inadvertently from Piastre 455 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: down to Main Strait, but biggest pole margin of the 456 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: year and fantastic start. It was his race to lose, 457 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 2: but it never looked like he was going to lose it. 458 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: And to my mind, the only real threat was I 459 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: was thinking, look, ve Stappan's been so good on this 460 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 2: three stopper here there is an outside chance he can 461 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: get Norris here or at least make Norris think about it, 462 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: But there was never really a suggestion that Norris was 463 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: anywhere near Piastre. Once we got through, once Verstappan got 464 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: between the McLaren's off the start, this felt like a 465 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: race only Oscar could lose. But you never felt at 466 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: any point like he was going to lose it. And 467 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: yes you have to go through the late race complications 468 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: with the restart and the safety car and everything else, 469 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: but he handled that like an absolute pro as well. 470 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: It was just pretty much a mistake free weekend. And 471 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: the tiny increments you mentioned I couldn't help but think 472 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 2: about it when I heard that on Sunday. This is 473 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: the small pieces of the jigsaw that you just keep 474 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: putting in week by week by week from a position 475 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: of advantage. And I think the thing we keep forgetting 476 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: here is that he started this season effectively. After one race, 477 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: he was on the back foot in a two driver 478 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: fight for the championship because of what had happened in Melbourne. 479 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: I mean, he's been on podium everywhere now except Melbourne. 480 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: The Melbourne curse lives, but to redress that imbalance, So 481 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: what did he finish ninth? In Melbourne. So he's twenty 482 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: three points behind his teammate after one round and to 483 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: do what he's done in the eighth round, since even 484 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: with Norris winning Monaco, we knows the outlier of all outliers. 485 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: This just feels like the perfect, step by step, methodical, 486 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: very Oscar Piastre way of building a world championship league, 487 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: doesn't it. Yeah? 488 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: I like we say being able to do that from 489 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: a position of advantage. I don't really I've never really 490 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: liked the phrase scoreboard pressure. It it's just pressure. It's ahead, 491 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: it's a point. But I think there is something in that, 492 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: isn't there where there's no pressure on him after that start, 493 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: after the being in twenty three points down now for 494 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: him to do anything, there's no catching up. And you 495 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: can even say his level, look regardless, ten points is 496 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: not very much, but it means he can really focus 497 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: on himself. Now there's nothing that he needs to focus 498 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: on other than his own game, and this was a 499 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: great weekend of him doing that and executing and finding 500 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: some additional little games. A little gains there, and I 501 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: think as well, I want to flip this around on 502 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: the Lando Norris perspective, because we talked about, yes, Monaco 503 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: being such an outlier of a Grand Prix in terms 504 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: of the way the cars work there, there's also an 505 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: element of a being a little bit of a driver's 506 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: outlier as well. You often see drivers excel there because 507 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: they're always very good at that kind of extreme track, 508 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: or some that just struggle. I mean, Piastre a great 509 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: race there last year, not so much this year. Norris 510 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: had a good race the year. This year we saw 511 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the same Norris tropes this weekend, didn't 512 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: we We got to Q three, he looked pretty quick up 513 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: till their final Q three lap. He fumbles and he 514 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: can't continue to hold provisional. He loses his pole position, 515 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: falls behind Max. With Stappen at the start of the race, okay, 516 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: he was probably it was probably wise him not to 517 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: fight it too hard because he's got a lot more 518 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: to lose than Max does, clearly, but nonetheless that had 519 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: an influence him not being able to contend for the 520 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: rest of the race, and then all he could do 521 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: was finish second. It feels like we're back to where 522 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: we started this triple header, which is all the same 523 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: questions are being asked and all the same answers are 524 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: being given. 525 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, completely, And this is the way this championship is 526 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: going to play out in that I think there's going 527 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: to be more variance in what Norris does race by race, 528 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: week by week, simply because of the way that he 529 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: goes about it. And you do feel that of the 530 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: two of them, he is the one more susceptible to 531 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: drop the ball from a position of advantage, whereas I'm 532 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: not saying that Piastre is going to go mistake free 533 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: for the rest of the year. That's clearly not going 534 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: to happen, but it feels like a lower percentage chance 535 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: that that's going to happen. And I always think of 536 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: you know, I'm old enough and gray enough to have 537 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: covered Weber's career, and obviously Mark Weber's Piastre's manager. One 538 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: of Mark's many famous sayings was I will give nothing, 539 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: and that was something that Mark said all the time, 540 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 2: particularly when he was fighting with Sebastian Vattal and Oscar Piastri. 541 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: Gives you absolutely nothing to ship away out. Just rock sol, 542 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: keep pumping the results in. And yes, you mentioned that 543 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: championship leads back up to ten points. The way I 544 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: like to look at that is, he's outscored Norris by 545 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: thirty three points in eight rounds. And then you think 546 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: about the fact that they're in this car that clearly 547 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: is the best car on the grid, and I think 548 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: that margin's only going to be accentuated as the season continues, 549 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: because we've got the rule changes for twenty six and 550 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: the Stapham will opportunistically win some races because he's brilliant 551 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: and he's Max of Staphaen. But to my mind, any 552 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: other team winning a race right now would seem like 553 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: a massive outlier to me. So if Piastre really is 554 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 2: going to give nothing, and then you look at the 555 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: fact that some of these teams, some of whom have 556 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: already turned the tap off for twenty six and some 557 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: of whom will certainly start to before too long, it's 558 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: probably only going to accentuate that advantage. And then it 559 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: comes down to small margins between drivers in one dominant team, 560 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: and I just think Piastre has less variance. That's not 561 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: to say that he will be in front of the 562 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: rest of the way. There may be peaks and troughs 563 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: in that dnf's mechanicals getting involved in other people's accidents, 564 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: bad time, safety car, all sorts of things. So many 565 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: races still to go, so many races still to go, 566 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: but I feel there's less chance that he drops the 567 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: ball than Norris. To be honest, a. 568 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: Couple of things we should clean up on before we 569 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: wrap this one up, and that this was a significant 570 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: and he is a significant race in the championship because 571 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: he's where the FAA clamped down on what had become 572 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: the latest development rouphole, the flexibility of the front wings. 573 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: It's something that has been going on for a while, 574 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: but they decided over the off season that enough was 575 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: enough and the threshold for how much a wing could 576 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: flex was tightened up. All very technical, but some teams, 577 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing in particular, was hopeful that this would 578 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: be a turning point in the championship, not necessarily throw 579 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: the order completely upside down, but level it up and 580 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: suddenly they'd get their shot at McLaren and maybe haul 581 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: them back in in the way that McLaren had haled 582 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing in, or at least from MAXA. Stapfen's perspective, 583 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: give him a better shot at it. This was also 584 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: a track that should have suited Red Bull based on 585 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: the way they performed a dimlar in Saudi Arabia, Japan, 586 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: a lot of fast corners, but like you already said, 587 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: Piastri had the biggest poll advantage in qualifying and the 588 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: clap between McLaren and Red Bull was the biggest bit 589 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: between two teams in qualifying at the front since Australia. 590 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: And in the race. Okay, Max Fatham did really great 591 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: with the three stop strategy, but never challenged for the lead. 592 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: Maybe challenge for a second place and that would have 593 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: been an opportunistic one. Where does Red Bull go from here? 594 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: Is this the last shot for Red Bull Racing? Now? 595 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: I mean we've always talked about how Maxistappen's fallen so 596 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: far behind, and of course the other element of that 597 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: was Ferrari also hopeful they've got one big upgrade package 598 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: coming they reckon this season. It could yet be the answer, 599 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: but there wasn't a lot of I didn't seem much change, 600 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: to be honest. 601 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: Did you hear no? Sorry that sounds you. Here is 602 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: me printing lots of photos of front wings and sending 603 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: them to a Christian horner at Milton Keynes. It was funny, 604 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: wasn't it. It was seen as this in wa wait till 605 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: we get to Barcelona, it's all going to change and 606 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: all this McLaren advantage. I actually felt a little bit 607 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: sorry for you because I reckon you wrote thirty thousand 608 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: words on front wings last week and it turned out 609 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: to be the most irrelevant copy that No, not bagging 610 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: you here, but it was the most irrelevant suff you've 611 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: probably written. LL you quite frankly, because it made apps 612 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: absolutely no difference to the pecking order. It was a 613 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: combination I think of Well. I was interested because it 614 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: was Spain, because, as we discussed last week, like this 615 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: seems to be the track where a car's weaknesses are 616 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: really magnified. It's, you know, it's what the circuit of 617 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 2: Barcelona Cataluna is. If you've got something that's deficient on 618 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: your car, this circuit exposes that. So I thought we'd 619 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: get a pretty instant tell on what these new front 620 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: wing REGs were going to do. But the key thing 621 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: here that probably we should have considered more is we 622 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 2: knew this TD was coming in from Spain ages and 623 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: ages and ages ago. This is not one of those 624 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: things where you know there's a race two weeks earlier, 625 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: and so after this race this is all happening now, 626 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: and teams have got to scramble. Everyone knew this was 627 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: coming and everyone prepared accordingly. So what we ended up 628 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: with was a pretty similar order than we've seen most 629 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 2: of the year. Obviously a bit of so outlier business 630 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: going on, which was fun to watch, but in terms 631 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: of the whole hierarchy of the best team, the team 632 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: snapping at their heels and what happened after that was 633 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: a huge amount of difference, and it wasn't the great 634 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: catch all that Red bull were hoping for. And I 635 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: use the word hope because I'm not sure they really 636 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 2: believed it was going to be that much of a difference. 637 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: But you know, while there's life, there's hope, right, And 638 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: so you do wonder if a combination of Max dropping 639 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: so far behind pastre now in the Driver's Championship, the 640 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 2: fact that this hasn't had some massive reset of the order, 641 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: I wonder what it does for Red Bulls priorities for 642 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: the rest of twenty twenty five in that yes, they're 643 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: certainly going to be encouraging and doing everything they can 644 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: for a step and to win Grand Prix, and I'm 645 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: sure he will wins some but they've got bigger issues 646 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: for next year with a new engine supplier, and can 647 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: they actually find a competent driver in the second car? 648 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: Do they even know they have a second car? All 649 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: of the conundrums that come with Red Bull that the 650 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: next era they need to solve. If this season, as 651 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: far as winning anything meaningful as kind a wash. They're 652 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: our fourth in the constructors Championship. As we mentioned earlier, 653 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: you wonder what this race does for what they do 654 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: going forward, because this might be the race you look 655 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: back at and go, all right, we can't really win 656 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: anything this year. Maybe we need to start thinking further afield. 657 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe in a weird way. It takes 658 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: at least a little pressure off Yuki suod who qualified 659 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: last twentieth this weekend, because if there's no championship on 660 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: the line, I guess it doesn't matter that much if 661 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: he's not there supporting Max for staff. And but the 662 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: first time a Red Bull Racing cars qualified twentieth since 663 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: Liam Lawson in China, which was the race before he 664 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: was dropped back to Racing Bulls. I do just want 665 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: to wrap up on the championship position because I really 666 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: had to do a double take on this, Like we've said, 667 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: red Bull racing down to fourth, Okay, maybe not that 668 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: surprising as the Erring Max squad on any one point, 669 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: and there has been almost no points coming from the 670 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: other car at all. But Ferrari ufter second doesn't really 671 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: tally for me at all. A team that's scored I think, 672 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: just three podiums for the year, I'm right in saying 673 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: or with charl Leclair. Obviously Blewis han't got that sprint victory, 674 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: but springs aren't even worth that many points, and Lewis 675 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: Hamilton had another shocker this weekend was really despired. Morrey 676 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: has a desponded to we've seen him all year after 677 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: this race was overtaken, as we've highlighted, or any boy 678 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: Nico Hovesal at the very end. I'm sure there's clearly 679 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: something not quite right in the car, but that's not 680 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: necessarily a judgment on him having bad luck. The car 681 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: is also clearly not always that great. But I mean 682 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: the comparison to Leclair week to week now is is 683 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: pretty damning. I think it was this weekend as well. 684 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of that. I don't 685 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: know what to make of all of these teams behind McLaren, 686 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, all of them seemed to have some pretty 687 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: significant flaws in the overall season makeup. But for me, 688 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Hamilton was the standout disappointment I suppose of this weekend. 689 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know you cash that by saying 690 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: that Ferraro is now second in the constructors. It's bizarre 691 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: is that we've had what merced has had. Kemmi Antonelli 692 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: not finished the last two races, so that certainly doesn't help. 693 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: Red Bulls are one car team. Williams didn't score a 694 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: point first time all season, second time all season, rather 695 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: in in Spain, so there are lot of things going on. 696 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, you look at that Constructor's Championship means Soba 697 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: scored ten of at sixteen points in one race Weekend Alpine. 698 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: Now last, you know, the Franco Colopinto question is probably 699 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 2: another podcast because right now he's contributing about as much 700 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: as Jack do and did, which is not very much. 701 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: And so you know what is he three races into 702 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: his five year deal, five race deal, Michael apparently, But 703 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: so yeah, lots of changing going on. But I was 704 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: like you when I saw the Constructor's table on Sunday night, 705 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: I looked at Ferrari being second and figured that I 706 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: hadn't refreshed the page or something had gone gone haywire. 707 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: But you look at it and yeah, there's what twenty 708 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: one points between second and fourth in the constructors. But 709 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: each of them have fundamental flaws that they need to address. 710 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: And McLaren just sales on serenely with two cars bagging 711 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: big results. 712 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: Yes, without one hundred and ninety seven point advantage. That 713 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: is the difference two cars make ten is it it? 714 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: Let's drop up now, Matt with the crystal ball brought 715 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: to you by complete home filtration. Really in the thick 716 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: of the European seas and three international categories with PUS 717 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: race coming up this weekend in Perth, what are you 718 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: going with? 719 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: All right, I am going to look at two wheels 720 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: here because this is kind of my wheelhouse at the moment. 721 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: I'm looking at Aragon for Motor GP this weekend, very 722 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: very early for Aragon, this is normally August September time. 723 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: Of course, this is where Mark Marquez won his first 724 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: race for I think it was one thousand and forty 725 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: three days. I think I rose to one thousand and 726 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: forty three times last year when he won that first race, 727 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: motor GPS odd this year, and that you've got this 728 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: category that it still feels like a Ducati benefit. You've 729 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: had five different riders win the last five Grand Prix. 730 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: There's been all sorts of weirdness going on, raining at 731 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: Lemon Jones, Zarco winning, Marco Betzeki winning in Silveston. I'm 732 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: saying we're going to put an end to all of 733 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: that nonsense this weekend. And it's a track that turns 734 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: left and it's going to be Mark Marquees's territory and 735 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: I think he may look may make the others look 736 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: a little bit silly at Aragon this weekend as he 737 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: did last year. So I think order will be restored 738 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: and we'll see Marquees at the front of the field 739 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: in the Sprint and the Grand Prix. But it's a 740 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: weird time in the calendar because we've got the European 741 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 2: swing for Formula one and brackets insert Canada for some 742 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: random reason in the middle of that. So your crystal 743 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: ball could be very global here. So where are you going? 744 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: Yes? So, in fact, let me throw another sport into 745 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: the mix here, which is the Lamon twenty four hour, 746 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: which is in two weeks clashes with Canada, and the 747 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: reason I bring this up is, of course there's a 748 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: question mark over Lance Strolls involvement in the Canadian Grand 749 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: Prix because he's apparently having surgery on that arm that 750 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: he had surgery on a couple of years ago, following 751 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: whatever exactly happened to his arm over the course of 752 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: this weekend that forced him to withdraw from the Grand Prix. 753 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: The reserve driver is Felipe Dragovich, the Formula two champion 754 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: from a few years ago, has been the reserve driver 755 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: for a long time and boys he desperate to drive 756 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: in Formida Art. He's also racing in Lamont, which would 757 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: eliminate him from contention for this. I believe that means 758 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: that Aston Martin would prefer if Lance Stroll is not 759 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: going to be racing next week, to make a call 760 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: before this weekend, because I think that's when Dragovic needs 761 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: to confirm whether or not he's in Lahman the following weekend, 762 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: of course, probably the biggest definition motor race in the world. 763 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: This is what I'm predicting is going to happen. Man 764 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: larnstro is gonna have surgery. It's can go well. I 765 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: hope it goes well for him, But he's going to 766 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: admit he's not a Moto GP writer. He can't drive. 767 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: Felife Dragons is going to get in the car in Canada. 768 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: It's going to score one point. He's going to get 769 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: a phone call immediately from Helmut Marco. Oh, he had 770 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: racing balls after that, and then he's going to be 771 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: sacked six months later. 772 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 2: As silly as that sounds, that is so in the 773 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: realms of possibility. Somewhere Nick de Freese is nodding his head. 774 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: Yes, his oldest time. 775 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: See, this is where I thought you were going with this. 776 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: You were going to say Drugovic was going to say, 777 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to stay at lamm and the reserve reserve 778 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: driver is Stoffel van Dorn and he's also competing at Lamon, 779 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: and he was going to stay at Lamont. And because 780 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 2: there was nowhere else available, Valfrey Bothaus was going to 781 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: do a what off in the aston at Canada list. 782 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: That is the list. Yes, Daniel Kiveat is probably around 783 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: somewhere if you'd like to bring him in. But I 784 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: do like your crystal ball because there actually is a 785 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 2: slim percentage possibility, but a possibility nonetheless that this could 786 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 2: actually happen and you and I will just go, yeah, 787 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: of course I'll do that. 788 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So I think it cale has to be 789 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: made on that. I think it is this week because 790 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: I think there's some pre empty lemon stuff that happens 791 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: this weekend. There is, so we will know sooner rather 792 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: than later on how that is all going. But on 793 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: that note, it's all the time we've got for bittalk today. 794 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: You can subscribe to bittalk wherever you get your favorite podcasts, 795 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: and you can leave us a rating and a review 796 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: as well. This weekend it is the Aragon Motorcycle Grand Prix, 797 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: with lights out at ten pm Eastern on Sunday. There's 798 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: also the Perth Super four forty with racing on both 799 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday. Two races on Saturday, one on Sunday 800 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: to wrap up the weekend. You can also keep up 801 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: to date with the latest F one, Supercars and MURDODP 802 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: news at Fox sports dot com dot Au. From Matt 803 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: Clayton and me, Michael Lomonado. Thanks very much for your 804 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: company and we'll catch you next week.