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Speaker 1: You've heard her words that you haven't heard her voice,

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Speaker 1: But thanks to a court ordered today, we can bring

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Speaker 1: to you what Aaron Patterson told police during her record

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Speaker 1: I'm Brook Greebert Craig, and this is the Mushroom now, listeners.

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Speaker 1: I know I said that we would be back tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: but there's some more information that we had to publish today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we really didn't want to wait, so there are

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we've already given you a comprehensive episode on

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Speaker 1: everything that the jury didn't know, but we do have

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Speaker 1: some more details. Laura, you're in court today. What did

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Speaker 1: we learn?

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Speaker 2: So last week we were talking about when Erin might

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Speaker 2: when that might happen. Erin appeared via video link today

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Speaker 2: from Dame Phyllis Frost Center, the woman's prison where she's

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Speaker 2: been held since she was charged, and she found out

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Speaker 2: today that she will next face a hearing across two

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Speaker 1: Six, and what will we learn in that hearing.

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Speaker 2: So this hearing is called a plea hearing or a

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Speaker 2: pre sentence hearing, and we've spoken a little bit about

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Speaker 2: our listeners, it's when all of the lawyers come together

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Speaker 2: those aggravating factors, the things they say mean that Erin

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Speaker 2: should get a very harsh sentence. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: And we'll also hear victim impact statements as well, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a really big part of what the

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Speaker 2: just talking about Ian, the only guest to survive the lunch,

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Speaker 2: Gail Patterson, which includes Simon, Aaron's estranged husband. They will

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Speaker 2: and read out that victim impact statement. In front of

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Speaker 1: So that will take place over two days.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. Crown Prosecutor Jane Warren today said that

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Speaker 2: she was expecting to receive a lot of victim impact statements.

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Speaker 2: But we must note that not all victims do want

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Speaker 1: So will Aaron be sentenced at that hearing?

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Speaker 2: It's really unlikely. Justice Beer will want to go away

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Speaker 2: that will be delivered at a later date. As we've

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Speaker 1: So you said we'll hear the sentence at a later date.

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Speaker 1: Are we expecting weeks or months? What's the time period like?

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Speaker 2: It could be months, but it's more likely to be weeks.

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Speaker 2: The justice system doesn't want convicted murderers to just be

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Speaker 2: But even further to that, we do know that Erin's

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we have mentioned the record of interview. On

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Speaker 3: This is the DVD record inview between Detectives Lead and

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Speaker 3: Senior Comfortable Stephen effim Stool and Aaron Patterson of Gibson

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Speaker 4: Other person President is my corroborator detechnically sending Constable David

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Speaker 4: all Wait, yeah, could you please state your full name

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Speaker 5: Freddy Patterson, Paul Gibson, straight Land Gaffan.

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Speaker 4: All right, eron, I intend to interview today in relation

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Speaker 4: Heather Wilkinson. Before continuing, I must inform you that you

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Speaker 4: Okay, Dowish EXERSI any of these rights before the interview proceeds. No, Now,

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Speaker 4: I'll just confirm with you you had an oportorunity to

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Speaker 6: What is your agent dated birth forty eight thirtieth of

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Speaker 6: Three zero one four three zero at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 7: All right now, as we discussed earlier, and we've been

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was, and this interview did play a pretty

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Speaker 2: Erin actually admitted during the trial to telling a few lies.

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Speaker 1: But clearly the jury saw through her lines. And before

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Brooke. I would have loved to have

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