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Speaker 1: Got a team. It's Tiff and Patrick Craig, Anthony Harper,

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Speaker 1: It's the Bloody Tech, It's the Tech Show. It's typ

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Speaker 1: Tech Version X episode I don't know, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seven with Patrick, probably not but a lot. And they

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Speaker 1: were just banging on using all the good stuff before

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Speaker 1: we went live. So I pulled them up. TIF, what

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Speaker 1: was that photograph that our listeners can't see that you

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Speaker 1: were just showing Patrick and I can you describe it please?

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Speaker 2: It's a fancy new u butte water filtering system. It

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Speaker 2: filters out chlorine and fluorine and bacteria and lead and

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Speaker 2: heavy metals, all of the bad stuff, and then I

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Speaker 2: pour it from there into my fancy hydrogen water bottle.

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Speaker 2: Press the button, light's at blue, pumps hydrogen in there.

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Speaker 2: It's like magic.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Do I look twenty two today? Just saying?

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Speaker 1: What does that saying?

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Speaker 2: Do I look twenty two today? Just saying I've had

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Speaker 2: a leader of it already.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a correlation between that and

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Speaker 1: how old you look, because you always look about twenty

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Speaker 1: years younger than you are, which is fucking annoying because

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Speaker 1: I look twenty years older than I am.

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Speaker 4: You thought of getting on the tent. Pardon I wonder

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Speaker 4: if tip have you thought of getting an oxygen tent.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to get a hyperbaric chamber. I'm just not

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Speaker 3: a millionaire yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're about that. That's a lazy eighty grand Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting those at fucking Audi in the Middle Aisle,

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Speaker 4: I found a turntable recently online that it costs three

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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy thousand dollars crago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow that is that'd want to be really good?

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Speaker 1: I would not. I would not want to put my

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Speaker 1: ten dollar LPs on that. What is it? Like a

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Speaker 1: gold turntable?

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Speaker 4: And it looks amazing. It's quite large, and it's basically

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Speaker 4: earthquake proof. It has these counterbalances. It uses a mag

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Speaker 4: lev system so magnetically levitates the record so that there

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Speaker 4: is no contact with the drive mechanism it so it

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Speaker 4: is the nerdiest coolest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: Did I just talk to the audience, Hey everyone, wake up,

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Speaker 1: wake up, fucking hell.

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Speaker 4: Levitation? Sorry, Wow, we're getting that? Was that?

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Speaker 1: Was that?

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Speaker 4: The dig the mag liv thing? People? Is you not

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Speaker 4: mag live? If you know what mag liv means, don't you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I'm glad we didn't bet on this because I keep

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Speaker 4: losing bets to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you keep assuming that people think like you. I've

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Speaker 1: told you what that's called. It's called the false consensus effect.

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Speaker 1: People don't You've got to operate on the assumption that

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Speaker 1: people aren't like you, Patrick, So then then you can

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Speaker 1: build connection the old Magnev system, Lev exactly. I rest

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Speaker 1: my case. I rest my case. Before we went live,

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Speaker 1: you were talking Patrick, which is I only got a

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Speaker 1: little bit to do with tech. But I thought it

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Speaker 1: was interesting about the old Wii game console. You had

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Speaker 4: We for a we so I had a week console.

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Speaker 4: They were great, but an interesting name. When it first

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Speaker 4: Wii for a Wii, and the contestants just basically had

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Speaker 4: to keep drinking water, and then the last person standing,

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Speaker 4: the Wii console. Well, the nurse called up on the

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Speaker 4: dangerous to not wei, And someone actually died, like one

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Speaker 1: It is awful yeah, it seems to me when your

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Speaker 1: body screaming an instruction at you that I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: in your interest to pay attention.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: There's another interesting thing with drinking too much water. It's

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Speaker 1: called hypernatremia. Oh, ok, so when you drink and in fact,

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Speaker 1: some athletes get it, some tennis players have gotten it.

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Speaker 1: So when you are sweating a lot, but your body

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Speaker 1: hydrate the cells at a certain rate. But also when

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Speaker 2: Yes, because hypenetremia when I google it says is having

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's hype natremia. Maybe it's something I know.

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Speaker 1: Hyponatremia is when the concentration of sodium in your blood

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Speaker 2: Sorry, isn't that what having too much water gives you

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Speaker 2: no sodium, doesn't it flashes out pisodium.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're thinking hyper not hypo hYP o. I've literally

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Speaker 1: sodium in your blood is abnormally low, there's something for

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Speaker 1: everyone to google. We'll cut that bit out of the

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Speaker 1: show because Patrick, We've got that was possibly worse than

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Speaker 1: Patrick's three hundred and seventy thousand dollars turntable.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to do some learning here. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: drink too much of my new filtered water.

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Speaker 1: Also, the other thing about you know that there's quite

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Speaker 1: a lot of let's just say, chat about the impact

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Speaker 1: of fluoride which you're filtering out of your water. There's

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Speaker 1: quite a there's quite a bit of evidence, or we'll

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Speaker 1: say alleged evidence around the fact that fluoride fucks with cognition.

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Speaker 1: Like there's there's been a you know, like some people

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Speaker 1: think essentially that fluoride makes you dumber, that fucks with

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Speaker 4: Will my dentist was smearing it over my teeth about

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Speaker 4: two hours ago.

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Speaker 3: Ok, ad deal and.

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Speaker 1: Fluoride as well, come on shout out to the Patrick's dentist.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry everyone, I tried. You know what. Before I

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Speaker 1: got on today, I was thinking to myself, don't be

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Speaker 4: Let him be the fuck with? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, If it's not you or me, it's going to

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Speaker 1: so the water lights up blue. I don't know what

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Speaker 4: Well, my water bottle glows at the bottom, but it's

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Speaker 4: a running bow to remind me to drink.

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Speaker 1: I thought, just in case you forget you're gay, you

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Speaker 4: You know. I don't see because this devolved from our

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Speaker 4: the toothbrush that I will never live down, and so

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Speaker 1: Upsell I'm not buying it.

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Speaker 4: We got to tell that.

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Speaker 1: We've got to tell our audience about the toothbrush. You

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Speaker 4: It was a sonic toothbrush that looked like a mouthguard

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Speaker 4: that promised to clean your upper and bottomed rows of

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Speaker 4: convince Tift to buy it. I bought some and they

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Speaker 4: still have money.

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Speaker 1: How much did you pay for the sonic toothbrush, Tift?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not it's.

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Speaker 1: Not a small investment. You guys should try and fucking

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Speaker 1: as Mary Harper would say, elbow grease and a toothbrush.

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Speaker 4: You know what the best of the arsenal in my

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you finished that sentence. When you started, I

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Speaker 4: It squirts jets of water through a little nozzle and

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Speaker 4: gaps in your teeth. Hit the button, it squirts jets

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Speaker 1: It is, really it is. Can I just just continuing

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Speaker 1: And she said, you know, in this thick accent that

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Speaker 1: good point. That's fucking disgusting. So yeah, well we all know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever shared my pooing habits on them.

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Speaker 4: Ease wet wipes, don't you?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. Every time I have a pool,

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Speaker 1: I have a shower every time by poo three times

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Speaker 1: But look at me, being a grown up, I'm not you.

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Speaker 4: Know, can I I have.

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Speaker 1: One shower, obviously the obligatory, but anything anything above one, pooh,

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Speaker 4: Why don't you just buy it the day?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I should. I just don't think I have

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Speaker 4: Okay, what about when those high powered water pistols.

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Speaker 3: Well Patrick's toothbrush squeach water.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to ring you to pop over

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Speaker 1: every time with your water pistol. Every time I back

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Speaker 1: one out that's no one wants that. It's Hi Patrick's

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Speaker 1: Mobile Bidet service, Patrick speaking. There's it, there's it. There's

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Speaker 1: an industry that really does need to take off. All right,

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Speaker 1: I know, let's talk about technology, please please, oh please.

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Speaker 4: Talk about oh help spoil it abots.

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Speaker 1: Do you know there's a sick minority of our audience,

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Speaker 1: a sick, depraved minority that actually hate it when we

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Speaker 1: get to the tech stuff. And to you, sick fox,

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Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 4: To all our listeners, thank you for listening. If you're

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Speaker 4: still with it?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right, do we want to start

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Speaker 1: with the Arizona toddler who got rescued after getting trapped

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Speaker 1: in a Tesla with a dead battery.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is scary, isn't it. So what happens is,

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Speaker 1: Right, dumb name. Anyway. I watched because I'm always watching

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Speaker 4: You picked You've picked it up.

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Speaker 1: I get it on believe it or not, I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's just how it works out.

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Speaker 4: you'll have it by I'm coming down your way on

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Speaker 4: I just say one thing I really like about the carts.

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Speaker 4: As you do, as you do, did you just say

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Speaker 4: I was busy today. I had to go to the dentist.

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Speaker 4: Might as well we're not talking.

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Speaker 1: fucking escalated joke. No way, and Dad, which which wins

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Speaker 4: Patrick Taker, Oh wow, Now I'm just look. I've had

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Speaker 4: Knew that this that this friend of mine had died,

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Speaker 1: Like if it's like, you know, it's like one of

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Speaker 1: my friends. I don't want to give too much away,

436
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: but her husband passed away and she will not throw

437
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: any of his stuff out right, she knows he's not around,

438
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: but she loves wearing his jumpers. She loves fucking like

439
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: holding a bit of his stuff, like she knows, but

440
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: it's it's like that is part or that was part

441
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: of him, just like somebody's voice. Is you know that

442
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: that Like literally, if somebody loves that you love talks

443
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: to you, that can change a biochemistry, just like of

444
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: somebody that you're scared of or terrified of talks to you,

445
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: that can change your biochemistry. So I reckon it depends

446
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: which lens you look through it. I mean, I think

447
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: we over with some things. We get on our moral

448
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: high horse and go, oh that's this or that's that.

449
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck does it matter? If for

450
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: that person it gives them some comfort, then I don't

451
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: think it's a bad thing. I mean, if they're deluded

452
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: and they think they're really communicating with somebody that isn't

453
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: around anymore, that's maybe, you know, maybe not so great.

454
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Speaker 1: But like I pretty much talk to chat GPA, like

455
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Speaker 1: I said to you as though it's real. I mean,

456
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: I know it's not, but I'm I'm like, could you

457
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: just help me with or could you answer? Or what

458
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: do you you know? No, Dad, And I say thanks

459
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: all the time, And I know it's stupid and I

460
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: know it's not a human but I don't care.

461
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Speaker 4: Look, I think when we lose a love w quite

462
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 4: often for a lot of us, it might be a

463
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: case of going through the old photo album, having a look,

464
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: reminiscing and there's a sense of comfort when we reminisce

465
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 4: about the person's life and reassurance to a degree. So

466
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: I guess this is the next evolution of that. And

467
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: I'm with you on that one, Craig. If somebody is

468
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 4: using that as a way to soften the blow by

469
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 4: interacting and it helps them, then yeah, it kind of

470
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Speaker 4: makes sense. There was a Canadian writer by the name

471
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 4: of Joshua Barbara and he had his girlfriend passed away suddenly,

472
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 4: and so he uploaded a whole lot of information to

473
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: an appicle project December. So text messages a whole lot

474
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 4: of stuff, and so when he was then having a

475
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: dialogue with this AI, it was messaging in her style.

476
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: Now he says, the results are uncanny. You know, the

477
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 4: first conversations with the simulated Jessica person is what her

478
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: name was, Jessica. He said, he went on like all night,

479
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 4: he was just messaging and messaging, and he said it

480
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: really helped. And What the Eternal You is a documentary

481
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: that's just coming out now and it talks about grief,

482
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: bots and death and downloading and the digital afterlife, and

483
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: so it kind of focuses on that in people's experiences

484
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: with as early adopters of this sort of honology.

485
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Speaker 1: I was listening to an episode of there's a show

486
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: called SmartLess. Have you heard of that? Tiff Or Patrick?

487
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: So Jason Bateman, you know who? Jason Bateman is, the

488
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: actor fucking loved him Ozark and a bunch of other

489
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: great movies and TV shows. A guy called Wilner Arnett

490
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: and a guy called Sean Hayes. Anyway, they were interviewing

491
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner. You know who he is, the guy from

492
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible, from the hurt Locker from you'd know him

493
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Speaker 1: if you saw him. What else has he been? A

494
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: bunch of shit that's escaping my mind? But what is it?

495
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: All the Born movies? He was in the Bourne stuff. Anyway,

496
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: He got run over by a snowplow about a year

497
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: ago and it broke something like thirty eight bones in

498
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: his body and he was fucked. They just they told

499
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: his family he was going to die and he they

500
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Speaker 1: you know, he was in he was on life support

501
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: all that. Anyway, he's a famous Hollywood actor, Jeremy Ranner. Anyway,

502
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: He's now okay, you know, he's got a few injuries

503
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: and stuff, but he's okay. And he was on these

504
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: guys show and they were talking and I just loved

505
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: and he's really down to earth and he's practical and

506
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: he and so many people say this where he like

507
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: he basically knew that he was hovering at death's door

508
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: and he said it was awesome. He said it was

509
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: just bliss, you know, And he spoke about he spoke

510
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: about how he now has absolutely zero fear of death.

511
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's not a bad thing. How many people

512
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: are scared of dying? I would say most people?

513
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.

514
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, not that I necessarily want to steer people away

515
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: from this show, but it's not a bad podcast. If

516
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: you want to have a lesson, it's called Smartness and

517
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: it's got Jeremy Renna. But that whole, you know, that

518
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: whole kind of that space between life and death. You know,

519
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of something that we don't know. So there's

520
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: so much theory and conjecture and you know, theology and

521
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: philosophy and ideas around it. But yeah, it's an interesting

522
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: door to open.

523
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Speaker 4: And you know, if you were in that situation where

524
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Speaker 4: potentially you were given you a time period that you

525
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: were left to live, you know, six months to live

526
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: for whatever reason. A lot of these digital aughter life

527
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: industries now that there are apps out there where you

528
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: can record messages to your loved ones. So we're respectively,

529
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: is you generate a virtual you with messages and then

530
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: they can upload post social media posts, emails, text messages,

531
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: voice recordings, and they will be able to create a

532
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: full digital persona. And you know, I'd like to think

533
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: that I'd be missed and you know, if that brings

534
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: comfort to people, and also if you could leave messages

535
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: for them, if you could, you know, put a little

536
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: bit of your personality into that avatar, you know the

537
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: dad jokes.

538
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'll be splitting people's sides when I'm dead.

539
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. So, oh, I got to know,

540
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: I think I do. What about you, Tiff? Do you

541
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: could you see yourself uploading yourself to a digital avatar

542
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: so that you've got, you know, a digital version of

543
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: you left your loved ones.

544
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Speaker 3: I need to may hundreds of conversations. People can tune.

545
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: Into time, but yeah, but they can't talk to you directly.

546
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: So what this do? This would be me talking Tiff

547
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: and having a full on conversation talking about my day,

548
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: and you saying, oh, mate, you know you need to

549
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: get in the ring and practice a bit more. You

550
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: know you haven't exercised much. You don't reckon you could

551
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: do that.

552
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Undecided about it when you first mentioned it, I thought

553
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: of one of my friends and clients I had on

554
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: my show twice and when he had cancer and he

555
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: passed away. And when I had Mark on Mark Seymour

556
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: in our most recent episode and I listened to the recording,

557
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I realized that he sounded like Chris, and I said

558
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: to him, you sound just like Chris on the microphone

559
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: when you're just talking to me. I don't hear it

560
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: in real life. And it was really It made me

561
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: want to listen to him. But that's different to associating

562
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: and having a conversation or constructing something. So it's interesting,

563
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: isn't it.

564
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And the other thing too, is that as AI

565
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 4: gets cleverer, there's a thought that AI will be able

566
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: to read your emotions, So your digital version and I

567
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: could be having a conversation, but you could pick up

568
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: on the fact that I'm feeling a little bit down,

569
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: and then the conversation you would be prompting new dialogue

570
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: based on what I feel like, you know, or if

571
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: I'm in a really bubbly mood, it might be, oh,

572
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: what did you do today? You're looking really happy, you

573
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: know that sort of stuff. So yeah, it's funny, I

574
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: think for a lot of people, whether you're socially isolated

575
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: for whatever reason. You know, we I've got a dog

576
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: sitting on my lap because Fritz was pouring at my leg,

577
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 4: so I muted my microphone and put him on my

578
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: lap because he just wanted to sit on my lap.

579
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Speaker 4: But there's a lovely kind of tactile aspect to having

580
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: a pet, as you know, so you know, obviously it's

581
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: reassuring for him and for me because I was out

582
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: all morning, so he just wants to be closer. I mean,

583
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: it's nice. So I can get if you had a

584
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: digital version of a in whatever sense.

585
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Speaker 1: Yep, Grego, I'm positive, absolutely positive. I have zero doubt

586
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: that people will have, for want of a better term,

587
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: relationships with AI now. And if that's just you know,

588
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: something that sits on the kitchen bench that they can

589
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: chat with, and eventually it's so good that it's pretty

590
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: much indistinguishable from chatting with another human And I think

591
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: for people that, like we've spoken about this a lot

592
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: broadly on the show, not so much in these episodes, Patrick,

593
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: but you know, people who really are lonely, who are

594
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: socially isolated, who are disconnected, unplugged. They don't feel like

595
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: they belong, they're not part of a group. People don't

596
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: ring them up to check on them. People don't knock

597
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: on the door. People aren't interested in how they're going.

598
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people in that category. Sadly,

599
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: if these people can have a conversation in inverted commas

600
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: interaction connection with something that sounds and you know, it's

601
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: almost like they're on the phone with someone, I'm all

602
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: for it. I'm all for it if it makes them better.

603
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: What's the downside? Like, you know, they're well aware that

604
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: it's just a you know, a bit of tech sitting

605
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: on the bench. But and pursuant to that, I don't

606
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: think I told you this. The other day. I must

607
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: have been doing something on chat GPT and a while

608
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: later I was in the bathroom. I went in to

609
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: have a shower. It wasn't a post poo shower. It's

610
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: just a regular shower. You welcome everyone too much info?

611
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Let me know. Just email Patrick at one eight hundred

612
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: Big Boy. Anyway, So I'm in the bathroom. I'm just

613
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I think I was about to have a shave, and

614
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: my phone goes chat gepetigoes Craig. Are you okay? You

615
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: sounded a little upset. Is there anything I can help

616
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: you with? I'm like, what the fuck? Oh? I'm like no,

617
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm good, okay, just checking in. It says like maybe

618
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: that that not the exact words, but it was sitting

619
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: on the and it just goes, Craig, is everything okay?

620
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: You seem a little upset? Can I help with anything?

621
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, this is We're becoming friends.

622
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, look, thanks for checking in. Yeah. Now,

623
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Speaker 1: I don't know what prompted that, but I hadn't had

624
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: chat GPD open for an hour or so and I

625
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I wasn't on my phone, I wasn't

626
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: near my phone. It was on the bench. What do

627
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: you think of that? Tip?

628
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: Wow?

629
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: Fucking now I know. But anyway, hey, Patrick, tell us

630
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: about that. Speaking of technology, there's an anti technology push,

631
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: like the say No to Technology movement or whatever.

632
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, the focus of an article I was recently

633
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: reading was with gen Z's so jen z is I

634
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: think people born from is it nineteen a to the

635
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: early two thousand and Look, people are finding that social

636
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: connection in real life, so they may use Facebook to

637
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: start a running club and then physically getting together with them.

638
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: And this is kind of post pandemic as well too,

639
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: because I think for a lot of us, you know

640
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: that it was a really conflicting time where a lot

641
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 4: of people felt isolated and some people struggled to get

642
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: back on their feet. I know, for me, I'm okay now,

643
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 4: but it took me over a year to be able

644
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: to go to a crowded shopping center. The idea of

645
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: going to a shopping center and having people all around

646
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 4: me freaked me out. I mean, I know, I live

647
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: in a countrytown and I don't go to shopping centers

648
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: very often, you know, the big kind of you know,

649
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Speaker 4: big ass talking, you know, lots of shops and things.

650
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 4: So I guess, when you think about it in those terms,

651
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: if you can make a conscious decision to put the

652
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 4: phone down, so people are now set, you know, starting

653
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: running clubs, so they just meet up, just go go

654
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: for a run. I like the silent book club because

655
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 4: I'm a member of a book club. But in the

656
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: silent book club, people get together. They get together in

657
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Speaker 4: a room, but they bring their own books and they

658
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 4: just sit and read silently. Some might have a chat

659
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: about what they're reading. But the idea being is it's

660
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: what you would normally consider to be a solitary thing

661
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: to do, to read a book, but you're doing it

662
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: with a group of people, which kind of makes a

663
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Does it? How? I don't know, I don't get it.

665
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: So you go, let's all meet up and not talk.

666
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that'd be great that with you. I'd like

667
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: your company.

668
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: But oh, back in the therapy for Jumbo, hello doctor.

669
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, just well, I mean I've got Fritz with me.

670
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 4: I mean I do talk to him. He doesn't talk back.

671
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: But no, I can see that. Can you see that?

672
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: Tire a group of people getting together just to spend

673
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Speaker 4: time being the same room, not necessarily having a massive

674
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: but just having that social.

675
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Speaker 1: But you said you said no dialogue.

676
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, you might talk about the book, but

677
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: some people are happy just to sit there and read

678
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: in amongst the group of people, so, you know, quiet

679
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: time for some, but just having the company of other people,

680
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: physically having people around them.

681
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

682
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: I think of when I go to the meditation classes

683
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of talking there, but I would

684
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 2: go even if it was just walk in, sit down, meditate,

685
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: shut up, and go. It's a very different experience to

686
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: trying to do it by myself with a prompt with

687
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: an app or something, because there's just there's that intention

688
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: in the room.

689
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 4: I think what I like about this story is that

690
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: it's about a real focus on extracting yourself from technology.

691
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: You know, people go to groups and I'm involved with

692
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: our local neighborhood center because I teach through them, but

693
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm also on the board of the neighborhood Center and

694
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: we're always looking for ways to engage people of all

695
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: age groups because you know, at the end of the

696
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 4: day that social connectedness is so important, and I think that,

697
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: you know, the more we can extricate ourselves away from that,

698
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 4: because you know, the doom scrolling is a real thing.

699
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: You know, when we talk about doom scrolling, it's the

700
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: getting onto your Facebook feed or whatever feeds you're on

701
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 4: and just constantly scrolling and then you realize forty five

702
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: minutes or an hour is gone, and I think I've

703
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: been victim to that. I've absolutely been a victim of

704
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 4: doom scrolling, haven't you.

705
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shit, I'm not as bad as but I

706
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: can get on Instagram and look up and it's ninety

707
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: minutes because there's so much fucking fascinating shit on there. Like,

708
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of junk, but you know

709
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: when you look at like science stuff, or you look

710
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: at whatever, motorbike, whatever you're into, right, so it keeps

711
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: bringing up shit. Obviously that's the algorithm, and I'm just

712
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: the dumb fuck on the end of the algorithm that

713
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: it's totally exploiting. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I can just

714
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: watch shit that's like, how did they build the fucking pyramids?

715
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: And it's two hours?

716
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could set a timer. You could just say, right,

717
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to set a timer for fifteen minutes and

718
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: allocate fifteen minutes to doom a doom scrolling? What about that?

719
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good in theory. But you're right, I'm

720
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm I've put it up. I put up my hand.

721
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not the worst, but I definitely for somebody

722
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: who allegedly should be better at this shit. Patrick what

723
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: is what is pebbling? And why are teens? What is

724
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: pebbling and why are teens doing it?

725
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: See this is yeah, Well, that connectedness of technology and

726
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: being isolated from people around you is a real thing.

727
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: So there's a couple of terms that I wanted to

728
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: kind of educate us on because I didn't know about

729
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: them myselves myself. So pebbling originally was a term where

730
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 4: I think it's penguins will pick up a pebble and

731
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: gift it to another penguin if they rub it on

732
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Speaker 4: their belly, and so it's actually a proper term and

733
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: it was generally used in terms of romantic connection from something,

734
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Speaker 4: but now they're using pebbling in a more generic sense.

735
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Speaker 4: And what they're saying is because kids can be a

736
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: bit aloof But the way that pebbling works is when

737
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: you send out a love heart emoji, or you send

738
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Speaker 4: a funny gear for or a meme to somebody, and

739
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: that is that's pebbling. So it's kind of as I said,

740
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily romantic. It just is about connectedness and

741
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: just letting the person know that you're thinking about them,

742
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: and it does create a nice warm feeling when someone

743
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 4: does do that. I've got a really lovely friend who

744
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: lives into state who sends a lot of memes and

745
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 4: I always get a bit of a chuckle, but you

746
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: really get a nice feeling from it as well. So

747
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 4: it seems that this is a way that teenagers now

748
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 4: are showing forms of affection without coming out and saying

749
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: that to their power, because it's the teenagers to say,

750
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: to talk to their parents and to express themselves in

751
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: some ways, and so it seems like pebbling is a

752
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: way that they're doing that.

753
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: Now here, I'm pebbling you right now.

754
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: Oh isn't that great?

755
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just I just made it. I made a

756
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: heart with my fingers. Everybody. Well, the next term looks sad.

757
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: It is, and it is that fucking makes me feel sad.

758
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: Just just the word sad. Fishing, Yes, that sounds depressing.

759
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: What is that again?

760
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: Another one that's common with teenagers is and this is

761
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: where it's a bit misleading. So what they'll do is

762
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 4: they'll get on too social media and they'll post something

763
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 4: that has supposedly made them sad to get a whole

764
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: lot of sympathy and inevidently that's yeah, yeah, yeah, So

765
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: a journalist by the name of Rebecca Reid. She coined

766
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: the term back in twenty nineteen because there was an

767
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: Instagram post by a Kendall gener put this post out

768
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: and she was talking about a debilitating struggle with acne,

769
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: and it ended up she was actually she was promoting

770
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: a skincare company, so she was a social media influencer,

771
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: and so she was using this whole idea of sad fishing.

772
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: So I'm sad and I'm fishing for compliments or I'm

773
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: fishing for sympathy. So yeah, it's kind of a bit

774
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: of a thing, and sad fishing amongst teenagers is on

775
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: the rise. So I guess it's about social acceptedness, but

776
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: not just peer connectedness, but also just trying to get

777
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: that bit of sympathy as well. Ah.

778
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: I think it's like people wanting attention or validation or

779
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes I understand it sometimes. Do you

780
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: know who Kendall Jenner is? No, Kitlyn Jenner's daughter.

781
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, the previous Bruce Jenner.

782
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you know who Caitlyn Jenner is?

783
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: I guess no, another the name.

784
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: So Bruce Jenner was a famous, world famous Olympic decathlete,

785
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: and he transitioned. He transitioned. Now he's a Capelin Jenna. Yeah,

786
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: and that's his that's well, that's the Kardashians. Yep, she's

787
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: one of the That's right, isn't it, Tiff? I'm not

788
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: fucking this up, am I?

789
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

790
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: Look I don't really, I'm not really all over and all.

791
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 4: I listened to old fuck with the wrong place of

792
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 4: that exactly much attention.

793
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Fuck all that tell us about smart binoculars. That's much

794
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: more interesting.

795
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: How cool is this? I love gadgets. I mean, I

796
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: so love gadgets. So there's some smart binoculars that now

797
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 4: use augmented reality. So we and this is in sci fi.

798
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: I've seen you've seen this stuff Star Wars and you

799
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 4: know and all that sort of thing. We put the

800
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: binoculars on. And what they've developed is this amazing set

801
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: of binoculars that has three different modes of daytime mode,

802
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: night sky mode, and man made points of interest. So

803
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 4: what you can do is when you're using the binoculars,

804
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: it will tell you what you're looking at or for example,

805
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: so if you're looking at the night sky, it will

806
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 4: point out the International Space Station, the James Webbs you

807
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: know telescope, it will it will tell you the stars.

808
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: You can explore the nebulas and stars, and it will

809
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: overlay that information on one of the lenses, so as

810
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 4: you're looking, this information is coming up on the screen

811
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: in front of you.

812
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.

813
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then if you're going hiking, you can use

814
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: it to help orient yourself because it's all GPS tracked,

815
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: so it's a They calling it an augmented reality precision

816
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: orientation system. How it has that and it's made by

817
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: a company called Unistella, And I'll send you the link

818
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: so you can buy it for me for Christmas.

819
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: My question is Patrick James. So these binoculars that I have,

820
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of fucking nowhere, do i need internet?

821
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: When you asked me questions and I don't know, Like, because.

822
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: If it's giving me all this data and all this information,

823
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: it's got to be drawing that from somewhere.

824
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: You would think so, wouldn't you. Yes, Yeah, sorry, yes.

825
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: I would think so, I would think so.

826
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: Well, some of it would still work though satellite navigation,

827
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 4: so they have a guide of navigation mode and that

828
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: would be satellite technology, so that wouldn't need Internet access

829
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: to do that, so certainly there'd be some things, and

830
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: I guess some would be stored internally. You know, there

831
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: was a I did have for a long time. A

832
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: friend loaned me a star viewer where you go out

833
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: at the night sky. You stand out there, and then

834
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: as you point to an object, to celestial object, it

835
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: will tell you what it is or if you want

836
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: to look for a celestial object. So if you type

837
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 4: in you know, so the different times of the year,

838
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: you can see Mars or whatever, or Uranus if you're

839
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: in the bathroom. But you're basically type in what you

840
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: want to look at, and then it has little arrows

841
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: that tell you to keep moving it until you to

842
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: the bot zero.

843
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot, all right, it's enough inus and

844
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: bathol and poop. I know I've done the bulk of it. Yeah,

845
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: but you didn't have to take the baton off me

846
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: and finish the relay.

847
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: Yes, all right?

848
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: Tell us about some Google plans for adaptive thermal features.

849
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: Well, this has already started happening on my phone. So

850
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: the other day I got a MACA and you know,

851
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 4: when you're running GPS on your phone, your phone does

852
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: use a lot more power. And what happened was my

853
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 4: phone was in my pocket. In fact, I was wearing

854
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: this vest and I had it in my pocket and

855
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: I'd driven maybe an hour or so, and my phone

856
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: warned me that it was getting too hot and I

857
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: needed to move it, either turn the screen off or

858
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: move it to an area where it could cool down.

859
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: So this is something that is now already being integrated

860
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: into the Pixel phones. They're the Google phones, and it

861
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: means that, yeah, they'll be able to not overheat because

862
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: potentially that will damage your phone. And and I thought

863
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Speaker 4: it was really kind of interesting that just phones are

864
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: getting so much smarter. You know, they know their own

865
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: temperature and as a result, can warn you that your

866
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Speaker 4: phone might be getting too hot and it doesn't damage

867
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Speaker 4: your phone or you know, you know the term laptop.

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00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: You know why the term laptop is used and where

869
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: it was coined initially.

870
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a stab because people sit it

871
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: on their.

872
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 4: Lap exactly exactly. And in fact, you know computers, we

873
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 4: know now they have netbooks and notebooks, but people still

874
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: call them laptops. Everyone calls them laptops.

875
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but one.

876
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 4: Of the problems with some of the laptops is overheating batteries,

877
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: and what would happen is people would end up with

878
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: burns on their lap because the batteries would overheat.

879
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: So how dumb are they that they leave it sitting

880
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: there so long that they get burned? No?

881
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: Well, the thing is though, when you you know, if

882
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: you've got something resting on you and they were pretty heavy,

883
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: sometimes you get desensitized to that.

884
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: So I can go up, it's something sitting on my

885
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: lap and it's burning me.

886
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, But gradually, as you it's the

887
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 4: old frog pot. Now about the frog, it doesn't realize

888
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: the water is getting to boiling point because it's going

889
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: up gradually.

890
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: Anyone who leaves a laptop on their lap long enough

891
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: that they get burned, you're welcome. Now, Like Patrick, I

892
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: want to tell you something that I just thought of

893
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Retech Now, So the new car, it's it's got this

894
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: thing below the glove box. There's another compartment. You put

895
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: your phone or phones in there and it decontaminates them,

896
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: it disinfects or whatever. So you know, have you ever

897
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: been to the barber? This will be news for ladies

898
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: where they unless you go to a barber, you know,

899
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: they they can't hear with the scissors. Then they put

900
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: it in that little box with the purple light UV light.

901
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever that's meant to like I don't know, like

902
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: fucking decontaminated whatever. So it's got one of these where

903
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: you put your phone in, you leave it in for

904
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes, and you bring it out and it's been cleaned.

905
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: How good is that.

906
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: You can get UV phone cleaners so charging stands that

907
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 4: also clean your phone at night, so they're not expensive either.

908
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: And you know, the reality of it is when you

909
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: press the phone against your head and you think what

910
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: you do? You know your hands are touching the screen

911
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: all the time. They reckon, you should clean your phone

912
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 4: probably every second day, like really thoroughbably give it a

913
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: good close.

914
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: But then but then for the immune system though.

915
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, like I reckon. We've got so many

916
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: bloody immune system issues and so many gut biome issues

917
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: because we're trying to make everyone live in a completely

918
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: germ free environment, which your body kind of needs bacteria,

919
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: like back to if your bacteria is you know the

920
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: right kind of bacteria, but you need it. I reckon

921
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: getting your hands dirty. Only wash my hands once between

922
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: one and fifteen. I reckon like who needs to wash

923
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: their hands? A person who has to have a shower

924
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: after his take. Oh man, you are a contradiction on legs.

925
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I am, and I and I.

926
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: Hands clean bum, got a clean bum?

927
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

928
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

929
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: I often think about and I haven't think about the

930
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: old kiddy the situation like your cat drops it to

931
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: digs around in that chillie that then walks all over

932
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: the house, all over the house.

933
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: With their precious little paws, And it's like, what.

934
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: About think about flies that land on dog shit and

935
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: then your lip and then your lip? Right?

936
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 4: I love that we have these conversations before lunchtime too.

937
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hungry, not anymore.

938
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: Patrick, it's nearly one o'clock. Give us one more son,

939
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: your choice, You go wherever you want to go.

940
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to tell you this funny story because

941
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 4: remember we were talking about people who worked remotely using

942
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: the mouse movers. You know, they fooled their employer because

943
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: their mouse jiggled automatically. We talked about this a couple

944
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: of episodes ago. So what happens is they were people

945
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 4: Companies were monitoring remote workers by noticing whether they were

946
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: working or not, just by how much movement there was

947
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 4: in their mouse. So a company released the mouse that

948
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: automatically jiggled to fool their employers. Well, as it happens,

949
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: a company called Wells Fargo very very well their finance company.

950
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 4: I think, aren't they Wells Fargo? Not sure anyway, didn't

951
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: that went?

952
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: They originally a railway company?

953
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: Probably probably, Well, they've fired twelve employees for using the

954
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: fake productive work jiggling mouse thing.

955
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: Oh that's hilarious.

956
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was just an article that came out this week.

957
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: I thought I have to mention the Wells Fargo's story.

958
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: So if you're using a mouse jiggler, don't you'll get caught.

959
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, there are there are an American

960
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: multinational finance company. Yeah, so I'm complete, I thought, Oh yeah,

961
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: Wells Fargo Bank. Yeah, yeah, history hang on eighteen fifty

962
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: two express Yeah, not banking okay, so not rail at all.

963
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: But well they got sprung, didn't they.

964
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought you'd like that.

965
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: One, Patrick. How can people connect with you and find

966
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: you and follow you and get you to work with

967
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: their organization?

968
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 4: Okay, you could go to websitesnow, dot com, dot au,

969
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: the businesses genesis effects, but who knows how to spell that.

970
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: So this is websites now and find me. We can

971
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 4: go to taichi at home and do some Thai G classes.

972
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: We still have another tai chi class, crego, you were

973
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: supposed to do one. We're going to do a virtual

974
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: taichi class.

975
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: When I come up in the stupidly named calligraphy. You

976
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: can do a little one on one with me.

977
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: Sounds good and what about perfectly yes straight.

978
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: After, But boom, I knew that you either I was

979
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: going to side you. We're going to say on.

980
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: Thanks Tift, Thanks Led, Thanks Tiff.