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Speaker 1: Go I teams, It's Tiff and Patrick Craig, Anthony Harper,

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Speaker 1: It's the Bloody Tech, It's the Tech Show. It's typ

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Speaker 1: Tech Version X episode I don't know one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seven with Patrick, probably not but a lot. And they

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Speaker 1: were just banging on using all the good stuff before

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Speaker 1: we went live, so I pulled them up. TIF, what

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Speaker 1: was that photograph that our listeners can't see that you

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Speaker 1: were just showing Patrick and I can you describe it please?

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Speaker 2: It's a fancy new u butte water filtering system. It

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Speaker 2: filters out chlorine and fluorine and bacteria and lead and

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Speaker 2: heavy metals, all of the bad stuff, and then I

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Speaker 2: pour it from there into my fancy hydrogen water bottle.

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Speaker 2: Press the button light's at blue, pumps hydrogen in there.

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Speaker 2: It's like magic.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Do I look twenty two today? Just saying?

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Speaker 1: What does that saying?

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Speaker 2: Do I look twenty two today? Just saying I've had

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Speaker 2: a leader of it already.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a correlation between that and

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Speaker 1: how old you look, because you always look about twenty

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Speaker 1: years younger than you are, which is fucking annoying because

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Speaker 1: I look twenty years older than I am.

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Speaker 4: You thought of getting on the tent.

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Speaker 5: Pardon I wonder if tip have you thought of getting

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Speaker 5: an oxygen tent?

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Speaker 3: I'd like to get a hyperbaric chamber. I'm just not

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Speaker 3: a millionaire yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're about that. That's a lazy eighty grand Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting those at fucking Audi in the Middle Aisle,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I found a turntable recently online that it costs three

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Speaker 5: hundred and seventy thousand dollars crago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow that is that'd want to be really good?

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Speaker 1: I would not. I would not want to put my

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Speaker 1: ten dollar LPs on that. What is it? Like a

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Speaker 1: gold turntable?

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Speaker 4: And it looks amazing.

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Speaker 5: It's quite large, and it's basically earthquake proof.

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Speaker 4: It has these counterbalances.

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Speaker 5: It uses a mag lev system so magnetically levitates the

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Speaker 5: record so that there is no contact with the drive

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Speaker 5: mechanism it so it is the nerdiest coolest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: Did I just talk to the audience, Hey everyone, wake up,

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Speaker 1: wake up, fucking hell.

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Speaker 4: Levitation? Sorry, Wow, we're getting that? Was that?

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Speaker 1: Was that?

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Speaker 4: The dig the mag liv thing? People? Is you not

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Speaker 4: mag live? If you know what mag liv means, don't you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: I'm glad we didn't bet on this because I keep

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Speaker 5: losing bets to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you keep assuming that people think like you. I've

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Speaker 1: told you what that's called. It's called the false consensus effect.

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Speaker 1: People don't You've got to operate on the assumption that

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Speaker 1: people aren't like you, Patrick, So then then you can

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Speaker 1: build connection the old Magnev system, Lev exactly. I rest

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Speaker 1: my case. I rest my case. Before we went live,

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Speaker 1: you were talking Patrick, which is I only got a

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Speaker 1: little bit to do with tech. But I thought it

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Speaker 1: was interesting about the old Wii game console. You had

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Speaker 1: an interesting story.

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Speaker 5: We for a we so I had a week console.

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Speaker 5: They were great, but an interesting name. When it first

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Speaker 5: Wii for a Wii, and the contestants just basically had

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Speaker 5: to keep drinking water, and then the last person standing,

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Speaker 5: so to speak, who hadn't been to the bathroom won

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Speaker 5: the Wii console. Well, nurse called up on the chat

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Speaker 5: line and said, you do realize that it's really dangerous

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Speaker 5: to not wei. And someone actually died like one of

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Speaker 5: the contestants who wanted the Wii and hadn't ended up.

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Speaker 4: It is awful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me when your body screaming an

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Speaker 1: instruction at you, that I mean it's in your interest

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Speaker 4: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: There's another interesting thing with drinking too much water. It's

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Speaker 1: called hypernatremia. Oh so when you drink and in fact,

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Speaker 1: some athletes get it, some tennis players have gotten it.

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Speaker 1: So when you are sweating a lot, but your body

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Speaker 1: can only absorb so much water and it can only

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Speaker 1: hydrate the cells at a certain rate. But also when

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Speaker 1: you drink a lot of water, you lower the sodium

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Speaker 2: Yes, because hypenetremia when I google it says is having

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's something I know.

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Speaker 1: Hyponatremia is when the concentration of sodium in your blood

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Speaker 2: Sorry, isn't that what Having too much water gives you

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Speaker 2: no sodium, doesn't it flashes out pisodium.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're thinking hyper not hypo hYP o. I've literally

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Speaker 1: got in front of me. Because when the concentration of

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Speaker 1: sodium in your blood is abnormally low, there's something for

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Speaker 1: everyone to google. We'll cut that bit out of the

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Speaker 1: show because Patrick, We've got that was possibly worse than

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Speaker 1: Patrick's three hundred and seventy thousand dollars turntable.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to do some learning here. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: drink too much of my new filtered water.

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Speaker 1: Also, the other thing about you know that there's quite

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Speaker 1: a lot of let's just say, chat about the impact

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Speaker 1: of fluoride which you're filtering out of your water. There's

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Speaker 1: quite a there's quite a bit of evidence, or we'll

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Speaker 1: say alleged evidence around the fact that fluoride fucks with cognition.

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Speaker 1: Like there's there's been a you know, like some people

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Speaker 1: think essentially that fluoride makes you dumber, that fucks with

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Speaker 4: Will my dentist was smearing it over my.

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Speaker 6: Teeth about two hours ago. Ok ad deal and fluoride

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Speaker 6: as well. Come on, shout out to the Patrick's dentist.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry everyone.

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Speaker 1: I tried. You know what. Before I got on today,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, don't be a fuck with today,

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Speaker 1: just like Patrick, let him.

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Speaker 4: Be the fuck with. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, If it's not you or me, it's going to

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Speaker 1: so the water lights up blue. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: Well, my water bottle glows at the bottom, but it's

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Speaker 5: a running bow to remind me to drink.

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Speaker 1: IoT. Just in case you forget you're gay. You just

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Speaker 5: It's you know, I don't see because this devolved from

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Speaker 1: Upsell I'm not buying it.

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Speaker 4: We got to tell that.

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Speaker 1: We've got to tell our audience about the toothbrush. You

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Speaker 5: It was a sonic toothbrush that looked like a mouthguard

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Speaker 5: that promised to clean your upper and bottomed rows of

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Speaker 5: convince Tift to buy it. I bought some and they

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Speaker 4: And then I think I still have money.

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Speaker 1: How much did you pay for the sonic toothbrush? Tift?

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Speaker 3: About sixty bucks or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not it's.

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Speaker 1: Not a small investment. You guys should try and fucking

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Speaker 1: as Mary Harper would say, elbow grease and a toothbrush.

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Speaker 5: You know what the best of the arsenal in my

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you finished that sentence. When you started, I

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Speaker 5: It squirts jets of water through a little nozzle and

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Speaker 4: Basically, you use this.

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Speaker 5: It looks like a toothbrush, but electric toothbrush, but it's

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Speaker 4: Hit the button, it squirts jets of.

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Speaker 1: It is, really it is. Can I just just continuing

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Speaker 1: And I know for some of you that's weird, she said,

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Speaker 1: That's fucking disgusting. So yeah, well we all know. I

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Speaker 4: Ease wet wipes, don't you?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. Every time I have a pool,

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Speaker 1: I have a shower every time by poo three times

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Speaker 1: you know, can I I have one shower, obviously the obligatory,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 4: Why don't you just buy it the day?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I should. I just don't think I have

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Speaker 4: Okay, what about when of those high powered water pistols.

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Speaker 3: Well Patrick's toothbrush squeach water.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to ring you to pop over

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Speaker 1: every time with your water pistol. Every time I back

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Speaker 1: one out that's no one wants that. It's Hi Patrick's

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Speaker 1: Mobile Bidet service, Patrick speaking. There's it, there's it. There's

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Speaker 1: an industry that really does need to take off. All right,

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Speaker 1: I know, let's talk about technology, please please please.

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Speaker 4: Talk about oh help spoil it abots.

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Speaker 1: Do you know there's a sick minority of our audience,

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Speaker 1: a sick, depraved minority that actually hate it when we

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Speaker 1: get to the tech stuff. And to you, sick fox,

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Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 4: To all our listeners, thank you for listening. If you're

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right, do we want to start

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's good, I mean, but what is happening right now?

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Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't even think about this. I don't

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Speaker 1: So do I done that? Say what I got? But

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Speaker 4: Dumb name, that's all right.

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Speaker 4: You picked You've picked it up.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you'll have it by I'm coming down your way

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Speaker 5: I just say one thing I really like about the carts.

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Speaker 5: As you do, as you do, did you just say

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Speaker 4: There's no appreciation, No there is.

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Speaker 5: Might as well we're not talking about I had.

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Speaker 1: A dream that I was I was tossing and turning.

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Speaker 6: Joke, No way and Dad, which which wins the escalated

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Speaker 3: They're both just swooning at the bottom of the pool.

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Speaker 4: Patrick Taker, Oh wow, Now I'm just look.

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Speaker 5: I've had people close to me pass away, and one

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Speaker 1: on the person. Right now, this is going to sound crazy.

438
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: If you had asked me that a year ago, I

439
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: would have gone, that's fucking creepy. Get rid of that shit.

440
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: I think I think it just depends on what is

441
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: the result, Like does does this person like I think

442
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: they know, Like especially if we're using that person's voice,

443
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: Like if it's like, you know, it's like one of

444
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: my friends. I don't want to give too much away,

445
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: but her husband passed away and she will not throw

446
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: any of his stuff out right, she knows he's not around,

447
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: but she loves wearing his jumpers, she loves fucking like

448
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: holding a bit of his stuff, Like she knows, but

449
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: it's it's like that is part or that was part

450
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: of him. Just like somebody's voice is you know that

451
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: that Like literally, if somebody loves that you love talks

452
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: to you, that can change a biochemistry, Just like of

453
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: somebody that you're scared of or terrified of talks to you,

454
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: that can change your biochemistry. So I reckon it depends

455
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: which lens you look through it. I mean, I think

456
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: we over with some things. We get on our moral

457
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: high horse and go, oh that's this or that's that.

458
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck does it matter? If for

459
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: that person it gives them some comfort, then I don't

460
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: think it's a bad thing. I mean, if they're deluded

461
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: and they think they're really communicating with somebody that isn't

462
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: around anymore, that's maybe, you know, maybe not so great.

463
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: But like I pretty much talk to chat GPA, like

464
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: I said to you as though it's real. I mean,

465
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: I know it's not, but I'm I'm like, could you

466
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: just help me with or could you answer? Or what

467
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: do you you know? No, Dad? And I say thanks

468
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: all the time, And I know it's stupid and I

469
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: know it's not a human but I don't care.

470
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 5: Look, I think when we lose a love w quite

471
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 5: often for a lot of us, it might be a

472
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 5: case of going through the old photo album, having a look,

473
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 5: reminiscing and there's a sense of comfort when we reminisce

474
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 5: about the person's life and reassurance to a degree. So

475
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: I guess this is the next evolution of that. And

476
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 5: I'm with you on that one, Craig. If somebody is

477
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 5: using that as a way to soften the blow by

478
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 5: interacting and it helps them, then yeah, it kind of

479
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: makes sense. There was a Canadian writer by the name

480
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 5: of Joshua Barbara and he had his girlfriend passed away suddenly,

481
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 5: and so he uploaded a whole lot of information to

482
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: an appicle project December.

483
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: So text messages a whole lot of stuff.

484
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 5: And so when he was then having a dialogue with

485
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 5: this AI, it was messaging in her style. Now he says,

486
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 5: the results are uncanny. You know, the first conversations with

487
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 5: the simulated Jessica person is what her name was, Jessica.

488
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 5: He said, he went on like all night, he was

489
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: just messaging and messaging, and.

490
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: He said it really helped.

491
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 5: And What the Eternal You is a documentary that's just

492
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 5: coming out now and it talks about grief, bots and

493
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 5: death and downloading and the digital afterlife, and so it

494
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 5: kind of focuses on that in people's experiences with as

495
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 5: early adopters of this sort of honology.

496
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: I was listening to an episode of there's a show

497
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: called SmartLess. Have you heard of that? Tiff Or Patrick?

498
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: So Jason Bateman, you know who? Jason Bateman is, the

499
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: actor fucking loved him Ozark and a bunch of other

500
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: great movies and TV shows. A guy called Wilner Arnett

501
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: and a guy called Sean Hayes. Anyway, they were interviewing

502
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner. You know who he is, the guy from

503
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible, from the hurt Locker from you'd know him

504
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: if you saw him. What else has he been? A

505
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: bunch of shit that's escaping my mind? But what is it?

506
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: All the Born movies? He was in the Bourne stuff. Anyway,

507
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: He got run over by a snowplow about a year

508
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: ago and it broke something like thirty eight bones in

509
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: his body and he was fucked. They just they told

510
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: his family he was going to die and he they

511
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, he was in he was on life support

512
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: all that. Anyway, he's a famous Hollywood actor, Jeremy Ranner. Anyway,

513
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: He's now okay, you know, he's got a few injuries

514
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: and stuff, but he's okay. And he was on these

515
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: guys show and they were talking and I just loved

516
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: and he's really down to earth and he's practical and

517
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: he and so many people say this where he like

518
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: he basically knew that he was hovering at death's door

519
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: and he said it was awesome. He said it was

520
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: just bliss, you know, And he spoke about he spoke

521
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: about how he now has absolutely zero fear of death.

522
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's not a bad thing. How many people

523
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: are scared of dying? I would say most people?

524
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 6: Right.

525
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

526
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, not that I necessarily want to steer people away

527
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: from this show, but it's not a bad podcast if

528
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: you want to have a lesson. It's got a smartness

529
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: and it's got Jeremy Renna. But that whole, you know,

530
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that whole kind of that space between life and death.

531
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of something that we don't know.

532
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: So there's so much theory and conjecture and you know,

533
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: theology and philosophy and ideas around it. But yeah, it's

534
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: an interesting door to open.

535
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: And you know, if you were in that situation where

536
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: potentially you were given you a time period that you

537
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: were left to live, you know, six months to live

538
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 5: for whatever reason. A lot of these digital aughter life

539
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 5: industries now that there are apps out there where you

540
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 5: can record messages to your loved ones. So we're respectively,

541
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 5: is you generate a virtual you with messages and then

542
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 5: they can upload post social media posts, emails, text messages,

543
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 5: voice recordings, and they will be able to create a

544
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 5: full digital persona. And you know, I'd like to think

545
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: that I'd be missed and you know, if that brings

546
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 5: comfort to people, and also if you could leave messages

547
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 5: for them, if you could, you know, put a little

548
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 5: bit of your personality into that avatar, you know the

549
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: dad jokes.

550
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'll be splitting people's sides when I'm dead.

551
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. So, oh, I got to know

552
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: I think I do. What about you, Tiff? Do you

553
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: could you see yourself uploading yourself to a digital.

554
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 5: Avatar so that you've got, you know, a digital version

555
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: of you left your loved ones.

556
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: I need to may hundreds of conversations. People can tune.

557
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: Into time, but yeah, but they can't talk to you directly.

558
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: So what this do?

559
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: This would be me talking Tiff and having a full

560
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 5: on conversation talking about my day and you saying, oh, mate,

561
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: you know you need to get in the ring and

562
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 5: practice a bit more. You know you haven't exercised much.

563
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: You don't reckon you could do that.

564
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Undecided about it when you first mentioned it, I thought

565
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: of one of my friends and clients I had on

566
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: my show twice and when he had cancer and he

567
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: passed away. And when I had Mark on Mark Seymour

568
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: in our most recent episode and I listened to the recording,

569
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I realized that he sounded like Chris and I said

570
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: to him, you sound just like Chris on the microphone

571
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: when you're just talking to me. I don't hear it

572
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: in real life. And it was really It made me

573
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: want to listen to him. But that's different to associating

574
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: and having a conversation or constructing something. So it's interesting,

575
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: isn't it.

576
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

577
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 5: And the other thing too, is that as AI gets cleverer,

578
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 5: there's a thought that AI will be able to read

579
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 5: your emotions, So your digital version and I could be

580
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: having a conversation, but you could pick up on the

581
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 5: fact that I'm feeling a little bit down, and then

582
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 5: the conversation you would be prompting new dialogue based on

583
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 5: what I feel like, you know, or if I'm in

584
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 5: a really bubbly mood, it might be, oh, what did

585
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: you do today? You're looking really happy, you know that

586
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: sort of stuff. So yeah, it's funny, I think for

587
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 5: a lot of people, whether you're socially isolated for whatever reason.

588
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 5: You know, we I've got a dog sitting on my

589
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: lap because Fritz was pouring at my leg, so I

590
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: muted my microphone and put him on my lap because

591
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 5: he just wanted to sit on my lap. But there's

592
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: a lovely kind of tactile aspect to having a pet,

593
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 5: as you know, so you know, obviously it's reassuring for

594
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: him and for me because I was out all morning,

595
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: so he just wants to be closer. I mean, it's nice.

596
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: So I can get if you had a digital version

597
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 5: of a in whatever sense.

598
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Yep, Grego, I'm positive, absolutely positive. I have zero doubt

599
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: that people will have, for want of a better term,

600
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: relationships with AI now. And if that's just you know,

601
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: something that sits on the kitchen bench that they can

602
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: chat with, and eventually it's so good that it's pretty

603
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: much indistinguishable from chatting with another human And I think

604
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: for people that, like we've spoken about this a lot

605
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: broadly on the show, not so much in these episodes, Patrick,

606
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: but you know, people who really are lonely, who are

607
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: socially isolated, who are disconnected, unplugged. They don't feel like

608
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: they belong, they're not part of a group. People don't

609
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: ring them up to check on them. People don't knock

610
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: on the door. People aren't interested in how they're going.

611
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people in that category. Sadly,

612
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: if these people can have a conversation in inverted commas

613
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: interaction connection with something that sounds and you know, it's

614
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: almost like they're on the phone with someone, I'm all

615
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: for it. I'm all for it if it makes them better.

616
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: What's the downside? Like, you know, they're well aware that

617
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: it's just a you know, a bit of tech sitting

618
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: on the bench. But and pursuant to that, I don't

619
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: think I told you this. The other day. I must

620
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: have been doing something on chat GPT and a while

621
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: later I was in the bathroom. I went in to

622
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: have a shower. It wasn't a post poo shower, It's

623
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: just a regular shower. You welcome everyone. Too much info?

624
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Let me know. Just email Patrick at one eight hundred

625
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: Big Boy. Anyway, So I'm in the bathroom. I'm just

626
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I think I was about to have a shave, and

627
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: my phone goes chat gupetigoes Craig, are you okay? You

628
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: sounded a little upset. Is there anything I can help

629
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: you with? I'm like, what the fuck? Oh? I'm like no,

630
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm good, okay, just checking in. It says like maybe

631
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: that that not the exact words, but it was sitting

632
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: on the and it just goes, Craig, is everything okay?

633
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: You seem a little upset? Can I help with anything?

634
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, this is We're becoming friends.

635
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, look, thanks for checking in. Yeah. Now,

636
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what prompted that, but I hadn't had

637
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: chat GPD open for an hour or so and I

638
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, I wasn't on my phone. I wasn't

639
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: near my phone. It was on the bench. What do

640
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: you think of that? Tip?

641
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: Wow?

642
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: Fucking now I know. But anyway, hey, Patrick, tell us

643
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: about that. Speaking of technology, there's an anti technology push,

644
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: like the say No to Technology movement or whatever.

645
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, The focus of an article I was recently

646
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: reading was with gen Z's So jen Z is I

647
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 5: think people born from is it nineteen a to the

648
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 5: early two thousand and Look, people are finding that social

649
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: connection in real life, so they may use Facebook to

650
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 5: start a running club and then physically getting together with them.

651
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: And this is kind of post pandemic as well too,

652
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Speaker 5: because I think for a lot of us, you know

653
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Speaker 5: that it was a really conflicting time where a lot

654
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Speaker 5: of people felt isolated and some people struggled to get

655
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Speaker 5: back on their feet. I know, for me, I'm okay now,

656
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Speaker 5: but it took me over a year to be able

657
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Speaker 5: to go to a crowded shopping center. The idea of

658
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Speaker 5: going to a shopping center and having people all around

659
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Speaker 5: me freaked me out. I mean, I know, I live

660
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Speaker 5: in a countrytown and I don't go to shopping centers

661
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Speaker 5: very often, you know, the big kind of you know,

662
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Speaker 5: big ass talking, you know, lots of shops and things.

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Speaker 5: So I guess, when you think about it in those terms,

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Speaker 5: if you can make a conscious decision to put the

665
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Speaker 5: phone down, so people are now set, you know, starting

666
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Speaker 5: running clubs, so they just meet up, just go go

667
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Speaker 5: for a run. I like the Silent book Club because

668
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Speaker 5: I'm a member of a book club. But in the

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Speaker 5: silent book club, people get together. They get together in

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Speaker 5: a room, but they bring their own books and they

671
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Speaker 5: just sit and read silently. Some might have a chat

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Speaker 5: about what they're reading. But the idea being is it's

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Speaker 5: what you would normally consider to be a solitary thing

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Speaker 5: to do, to read a book, but you're doing it

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Speaker 5: with a group of people, which kind of makes a

676
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Speaker 5: lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Does it? How I don't know, I don't get it.

678
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Speaker 1: So you go, let's all meet up and not talk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that'd be great that with you. I'd like

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Speaker 4: your company.

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Speaker 1: But oh, back in the therapy for Jumbo hello doctor. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Just well, I mean I've got Fritz with me. I

683
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Speaker 5: mean I do talk to him. He doesn't talk back.

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Speaker 5: But no, I can see that. Can you see that tip?

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Speaker 5: A group of people getting together just to spend time

686
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Speaker 5: being the same room, not necessarily having a massive but

687
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Speaker 5: just having that social.

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Speaker 1: But you said you said no dialogue.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, you might talk about the book, but

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Speaker 5: some people are happy just to sit there and read

691
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Speaker 5: in amongst the group of people, So, you know, quiet

692
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Speaker 5: time for some. But just having the company of other people,

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Speaker 5: physically having people around them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think of when I go to the meditation classes

696
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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of talking there, but I would

697
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Speaker 2: go even if it was just walk in, sit down, meditate,

698
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Speaker 2: shut up, and go. It's a very different experience to

699
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Speaker 2: trying to do it by myself with a prompt with

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Speaker 2: an app or something, because there's just there's that intention

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Speaker 2: in the room.

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Speaker 5: I think what I like about this story is that

703
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Speaker 5: it's about a real focus on extracting yourself from technology.

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Speaker 5: You know, people go to groups and I'm involved with

705
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Speaker 5: our local neighborhood center because I teach through them, but

706
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Speaker 5: I'm also on the board of the neighborhood Center and

707
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Speaker 5: we're always looking for ways to engage people of all

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Speaker 5: age groups because you know, at the end of the day,

709
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Speaker 5: that social connectedness is so important, and I think that,

710
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Speaker 5: you know, the more we can extricate ourselves away from that,

711
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Speaker 5: because you know, the doom scrolling is a real thing.

712
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: You know, when we talk about doom scrolling, it's the

713
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Speaker 5: getting onto your Facebook feed or whatever feeds you're on

714
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Speaker 5: and just constantly scrolling and then you realize forty five

715
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Speaker 5: minutes or an hour is gone, and I think I've

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Speaker 5: been victim to that. I've absolutely been a victim of

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Speaker 5: doom scrolling, haven't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shit, I'm not as bad as but I

719
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Speaker 1: can get on Instagram and look up and it's ninety

720
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Speaker 1: minutes because there's so much fucking fascinating shit on there. Like,

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of junk, but you know

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Speaker 1: when you look at like science stuff, or you look

723
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Speaker 1: at whatever, motorbike, whatever you're into, right, so it keeps

724
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Speaker 1: bringing up shit. Obviously that's the algorithm, and I'm just

725
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Speaker 1: the dumb fuck on the end of the algorithm that

726
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Speaker 1: it's totally exploiting. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I can just

727
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: watch shit that's like, how did they build the fucking pyramids?

728
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Speaker 1: And it's two hours?

729
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could set a timer.

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Speaker 5: You could just say, right, I'm going to set a

731
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Speaker 5: timer for fifteen minutes and allocate fifteen minutes to doom

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Speaker 5: a doom scrolling?

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Speaker 4: What about that?

734
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good in theory. But you're right, I'm

735
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Speaker 1: I'm I put it up. I put up my hand.

736
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not the worst, but I definitely for somebody

737
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Speaker 1: who allegedly should be better at this shit, Patrick, what

738
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Speaker 1: is what is pebbling? And why are teens? What is

739
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Speaker 1: pebbling and why are teens doing it?

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Speaker 5: See this is yeah, Well, that connectedness of technology and

741
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Speaker 5: being isolated from people around you is a real thing.

742
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Speaker 5: So there's a couple of terms that I wanted to

743
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Speaker 5: kind of educate us on because I didn't know about

744
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Speaker 5: them myselves myself. So pebbling originally was a term where

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Speaker 5: I think it's penguins will pick up a pebble and

746
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Speaker 5: gift it to another penguin if they rub it on

747
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Speaker 5: their belly, and so it's actually a proper term and

748
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Speaker 5: it was generally used in terms of romantic connection from something,

749
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Speaker 5: but now they're using pebbling in a more generic sense.

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Speaker 4: And what they're saying is because kids can.

751
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Speaker 5: Be a bit aloof But the way that pebbling works

752
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: is when you send out a love heart emoji, or

753
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Speaker 5: you send a funny gear for or a meme to somebody,

754
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Speaker 5: and that is that's pebbling. So it's kind of as

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Speaker 5: I said, it's not necessarily romantic. It just is about

756
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Speaker 5: connectedness and just letting the person know that you're thinking

757
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Speaker 5: about them, and it does create a nice warm feeling

758
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Speaker 5: when someone does do that. I've got a really lovely

759
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Speaker 5: friend who lives into state who sends a lot of

760
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Speaker 5: memes and I always get a bit of a chuckle,

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Speaker 5: but you really get a nice feeling from it as well.

762
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Speaker 5: So it seems that this is a way that teenagers

763
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Speaker 5: now are showing forms of affection without coming out and

764
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Speaker 5: saying that to their power, because it's the teenagers to say,

765
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Speaker 5: to talk to their parents and to express themselves in

766
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Speaker 5: some ways, and so it seems like pebbling is a

767
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Speaker 5: way that they're doing that.

768
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Speaker 1: Now here, I'm pebbling you right now.

769
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Speaker 4: Oh isn't that great?

770
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I just I just made it. I made a

771
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Speaker 1: heart with my fingers. Everybody. Well, the next term looks sad.

772
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: It is, and it is that fucking makes me feel sad.

773
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Speaker 1: Just just the word sad. Fishing, Yes, that sounds depressing.

774
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Speaker 1: What is that again?

775
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Speaker 5: Another one that's common with teenagers is and this is

776
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Speaker 5: where it's a bit misleading. So what they'll do is

777
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Speaker 5: they'll get on too social media and they'll post something

778
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Speaker 5: that has supposedly made them sad to get a whole

779
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 5: lot of sympathy and inevidently that's yeah, yeah, yeah, So

780
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Speaker 5: a journalist by the name of Rebecca Reid. She coined

781
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Speaker 5: the term back in twenty nineteen because there was an

782
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Speaker 5: Instagram post by a Kendall gener put this post out

783
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Speaker 5: and she was talking about a debilitating struggle with acne,

784
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 5: and it ended up she was actually she was promoting

785
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Speaker 5: a skincare company, so she was a social media influencer,

786
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Speaker 5: and so she was using this whole idea of sad fishing.

787
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Speaker 5: So I'm sad and I'm fishing for compliments or I'm

788
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Speaker 5: fishing for sympathy. So yeah, it's kind of a bit

789
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Speaker 5: of a thing, and sad fishing amongst teenagers is on

790
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Speaker 5: the rise. So I guess it's about social acceptedness, but

791
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 5: not just peer connectedness, but also just trying to get

792
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 5: that bit of sympathy as well. Ah.

793
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Speaker 1: I think it's like people wanting attention or validation or

794
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes I understand it sometimes. Do you

795
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: know who Kendall Jenner is? No, Kitlyn Jenner's daughter. Oh, okay,

796
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Speaker 1: the previous Bruce Jenner.

797
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, do you know who Caitlyn Jenner is? I

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Speaker 5: guess no, another the name.

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Speaker 1: So Bruce Jenner was a famous, world famous Olympic decathlete,

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Speaker 1: and he transitioned. He transitioned. Now he's a Capelin Jenna. Yeah,

801
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: and that's his that's well, that's the Kardashians. Yep, she's

802
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Speaker 1: one of the That's right, isn't it, Tiff? I'm not

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Speaker 1: fucking this up, am I?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

805
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Speaker 3: Look I don't really, I'm not really all over and all.

806
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: I listened to old fuck with the wrong place of

807
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: that exactly much attention. Fuck all that tell us about

808
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: smart binoculars. That's much more interesting.

809
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: How cool is this? I love gadgets. I mean, I

810
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: so love gadgets.

811
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Speaker 5: So there's some smart binoculars that now use augmented reality.

812
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 5: So we and this is in sci fi. I've seen

813
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: you've seen this stuff Star Wars and you know and

814
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 5: all that sort of thing. We put the binoculars on.

815
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Speaker 5: And what they've developed is this amazing set of binoculars

816
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Speaker 5: that has three different modes of daytime mode, night sky mode,

817
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 5: and man made points of interest. So what you can

818
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Speaker 5: do is when you're using the binoculars, it will tell

819
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Speaker 5: you what you're looking at or for example, so if

820
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 5: you're looking at the night sky, it will point out

821
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Speaker 5: the International Space Station, the James Webbs you know telescope,

822
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Speaker 5: it will it will tell.

823
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Speaker 4: You the stars.

824
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: You can explore the nebulas and stars, and it will

825
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 5: overlay that information on one of the lenses, so as

826
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Speaker 5: you're looking, this information is coming up on the screen

827
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Speaker 5: in front of you.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.

829
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

830
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Speaker 5: And then if you're going hiking, you can use it

831
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Speaker 5: to help orient yourself because it's all GPS tracked, so

832
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 5: it's a They calling it an augmented reality precision orientation system.

833
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Speaker 5: How it has that and it's made by a company

834
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Speaker 5: called Unistella, And I'll send you the link so you

835
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Speaker 5: can buy it for me for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: My question is Patrick James. So these binoculars that I have,

837
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Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of fucking nowhere, do i need internet?

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Speaker 4: When you asked me questions and I don't know, Like.

839
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Speaker 1: Because if it's giving me all this data and all

840
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: this information, it's got to be drawing that from somewhere.

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Speaker 4: You would think so, wouldn't you. Yes, Yeah, sorry, yes.

842
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: I would think so, I would think so.

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00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: Well, some of it would still work though satellite navigation,

844
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 5: so they have a guide of navigation mode and that

845
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 5: would be satellite technology, so that wouldn't need Internet access

846
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: to do that, so certainly there'd be some things, and

847
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: I guess some would be stored internally.

848
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Speaker 4: You know, there was a I did have for a

849
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 4: long time. A friend loaned me.

850
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Speaker 5: A star viewer where you go out at the night sky.

851
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 5: You stand out there, and then as you point to

852
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 5: an object, a celestial object, it will tell you what

853
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 5: it is, or if you want to look for a

854
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 5: celestial object. So if you type in you know, so

855
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: different times of the year, you can see Mars or whatever,

856
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 5: or Uranus if you're in the bathroom. But you're basically

857
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 5: type in what you want to look at, and then

858
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 5: it has little arrows that tell you to keep moving

859
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 5: it until you to the bot zero.

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00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot, all right, it's enough inus and

861
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: bathole and poop. I know I've done the bulk of it. Yeah,

862
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: but you didn't have to take the baton off me

863
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Speaker 1: and finish the relay.

864
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: Yes, all right?

865
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Speaker 1: Tell us about some Google plans for adaptive thermal features.

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00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 5: Well, this has already started happening on my phone. So

867
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Speaker 5: the other day I got a MACA and you know,

868
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Speaker 5: when you're running GPS on your phone, your phone does

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Speaker 5: use a lot more power. And what happened was my

870
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 5: phone was in my pocket. In fact, I was wearing

871
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Speaker 5: this vest and I had it in my pocket and

872
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 5: I'd driven maybe an hour or so, and my phone

873
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: warned me that it was getting too hot and I

874
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 5: needed to move it, either turn the screen off or

875
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Speaker 5: move it to an area where it could cool down.

876
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Speaker 5: So this is something that is now already being integrated

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00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 5: into the Pixel phones. They're the Google phones, and it

878
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: means that, yeah, they'll be able to not overheat because

879
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Speaker 5: potentially that will damage your phone. And and I thought

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00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: it was really kind of interesting that just phones are

881
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 5: getting so much smarter. You know, they know their own

882
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Speaker 5: temperature and as a result, can warn you that your

883
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Speaker 5: phone might be getting too hot and it doesn't damage

884
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Speaker 5: your phone or you know, you know the term laptop.

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Speaker 5: You know why the term laptop is used and where

886
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Speaker 5: it was coined initially.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a stab because people sit it

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Speaker 1: on their.

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Speaker 4: Lap exactly exactly.

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Speaker 5: And in fact, you know computers, we know now they

891
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Speaker 5: have netbooks and notebooks, but people still call them laptops.

892
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: Everyone calls them laptops.

893
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but one of the problems with some of the

894
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 5: laptops is overheating batteries, and what would happen is people

895
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Speaker 5: would end up with burns on their lap because the

896
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 5: batteries would overheat.

897
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: So how dumb are they that they leave it sitting

898
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: there so long that they get burned? No?

899
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Speaker 5: Well, the thing is though, when you you know, if

900
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Speaker 5: you've got something resting on you and they were pretty heavy,

901
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 5: sometimes you get desensitized to that.

902
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: So I can go up, it's something sitting on my

903
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Speaker 1: lap and it's burning me.

904
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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, But gradually, as you it's the

905
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 5: old frog pot. Now about the frog, it doesn't realize

906
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 5: the water is getting to boiling point because it's going

907
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 5: up gradually.

908
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: Anyone who leaves a laptop on their lap long enough

909
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: that they get burned, you're welcome. Now, Like Patrick, I

910
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: want to tell you something that I just thought of

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00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Retech Now, So the new car, it's it's got this

912
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: thing below the glove box. There's another compartment. You put

913
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: your phone or phones in there and it decontaminates them,

914
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Speaker 1: it disinfects or whatever. So you know, have you ever

915
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: been to the barber? This will be news for ladies

916
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: where they unless you go to a barber, you know,

917
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: they they can't hear with the scissors. Then they put

918
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Speaker 1: it in that little box with the purple light UV light.

919
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever that's meant to like I don't know, like

920
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: fucking decontaminated whatever. So it's got one of these where

921
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: you put your phone in, you leave it in for

922
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Speaker 1: ten minutes, and you bring it out and it's been cleaned.

923
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: How good is that.

924
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 5: You can get UV phone cleaners so charging stands that

925
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 5: also clean your phone at night, so they're not expensive either.

926
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Speaker 4: And you know, the reality of it is when you.

927
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Speaker 5: Press the phone against your head and you think what

928
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Speaker 5: you do? You know your hands are touching the screen

929
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 5: all the time. They reckon, you should clean your phone

930
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Speaker 5: probably every second day, like really thoroughbably give it a

931
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Speaker 5: good close.

932
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Speaker 3: But then but then for the immune system though.

933
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, like I reckon. We've got so many

934
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Speaker 1: bloody immune system issues and so many gut biome issues

935
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Speaker 1: because we're trying to make everyone live in a completely

936
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Speaker 1: germ free environment, which your body kind of needs bacteria,

937
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: like back to if your bacteria is you know the

938
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Speaker 1: right kind of bacteria, but you need it. I reckon

939
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Speaker 1: getting your hands dirty. Only wash my hands once between

940
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Speaker 1: one and fifteen. I reckon like who needs to wash

941
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Speaker 1: their hands? A person who has to have a shower

942
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Speaker 1: after his take. Oh man, you are a contradiction on legs.

943
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Speaker 1: I am, and I and I.

944
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Speaker 3: Hands clean bum, got a clean bum?

945
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

946
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

947
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Speaker 2: I often think about and I haven't think about the

948
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: old kiddy the situation like your cat drops it to

949
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: digs around in that chillie that then walks all over

950
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: the house, all over the house with their precious little paws,

951
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: And it's like, what.

952
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: About think about flies that land on dog shit and

953
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: then your lip and then your lip?

954
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Speaker 5: Right?

955
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Speaker 4: I love that we have these conversations before lunchtime too.

956
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hungry, not anymore.

957
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: Patrick, it's nearly one o'clock. Give us one more son,

958
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: your choice, You go wherever you want to go.

959
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to tell you this funny story because

960
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 5: remember we were talking about people who worked remotely using

961
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Speaker 5: the mouse movers. You know, they fooled their employer because

962
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: their mouse jiggled automatically.

963
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 4: We talked about this a couple of episodes ago.

964
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Speaker 5: So what happens is they were people Companies were monitoring

965
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Speaker 5: remote workers by noticing whether they were working or not,

966
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Speaker 5: just by how much movement there was in their mouse.

967
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Speaker 5: So a company released the mouse that automatically jiggled to

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Speaker 5: fool their employers. Well, as it happens, a company called

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Speaker 5: Wells Fargo very very well their finance company. I think,

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00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 5: aren't they Wells Fargo? I'm not sure anyway, didn't that went?

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Speaker 1: They originally a railway company?

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Speaker 5: Probably probably, Well, they've fired twelve employees for using the

973
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Speaker 5: fake productive work jiggling mouse thing.

974
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Speaker 1: Oh that's hilarious.

975
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was just an article that came out this week.

976
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Speaker 5: I thought, I have to mention the Wells Fargo's story.

977
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Speaker 5: So if you're using a mouse jiggler, don't you'll get caught.

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Speaker 1: Oh there you go. There are there are an American

979
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Speaker 1: multinational finance company. Yeah, so I'm complete, I thought, Oh yeah,

980
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: Wells Fargo Bank. Yeah, yeah, history hang on eighteen fifty

981
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Speaker 1: two express Yeah, not banking. Okay, so not rail at all.

982
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Speaker 1: But well they got sprung, didn't they.

983
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

984
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: I thought you'd like that.

985
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Speaker 1: One, Patrick. How can people connect with you and find

986
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: you and follow you and get you to work with

987
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: their organization?

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00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 5: Okay, you could go to websitesnow, dot com, dot au,

989
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 5: the businesses genesis effects, but who knows how to spell that.

990
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: So this is websites now and find me.

991
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 5: We can go to taichi at home and do some

992
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: Thai G classes. We still have another tai chi class, crego,

993
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: you were supposed to do one. We're going to do

994
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 5: a virtual taichi class.

995
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: When I come up in the stupidly named calligraphy. You

996
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: can do a little one on one with me.

997
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: Sounds good and what about perfectly yes straight.

998
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: After, But boom, I knew that you either I was

999
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: going to side you. We're going to say on.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Tift, Thanks Led, Thanks Tiff.