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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannons.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Max Verstappen is just twenty four points

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Speaker 1: off the championship lead after winning the Las Vegas Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix on a night both McLaren drivers are sensationally disqualified,

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Speaker 1: shaking up the title battle, and good Christian Horner find

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Speaker 1: his way back into Formula One as early as next season.

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Speaker 1: My name is Michael Lamonato. It's great to have your

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Speaker 1: company and the company of my co host. He's a

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Speaker 1: big fan of the Mitsutoyo micrometer. It's Matt Clayson.

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Speaker 2: Who is it? Michael border the point?

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Speaker 3: But see now, the reason I thought this podcast was

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Speaker 3: a little delayed this week is I figured that you'd

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Speaker 3: been out at the Dance Lounge. The Sky Sports comicery

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Speaker 3: decided to refer to it over the course of the weekend,

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Speaker 3: the dance Lounge. Has anyone ever been to such a thing?

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Speaker 2: Firstly?

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Speaker 3: And also why did it need to be mentioned seventy

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Speaker 3: five times in the broadcast? Wasn't the only thing we'll

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Speaker 3: get to in the broadcast? But yes, bit of late

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Speaker 3: season championship intrigue, and you and I have discussed the

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Speaker 3: use of the Hollywood safety Car from time to time,

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Speaker 3: but when it comes to plank where you're either in

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Speaker 3: or you're out and McLaren, we're out. And now we

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Speaker 3: have a very very different next two races, don't.

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Speaker 1: We Yes, nothing Hollywood about plank where That's.

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Speaker 3: The big takeaway from these podcast people.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, undoubtedly you've seen the news, not only at the

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports website but everywhere. I got a breaking news

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Speaker 1: notification from the ABC app over the course of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Losco Piastre and in brackets Lanta Norris have also been

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Speaker 1: disqualified from the Las Vegas Grand Prix. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you the measurements for anyone who's been wondering about it.

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Speaker 1: Piastre's plank at the three points at which they measure

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Speaker 1: it was zero point zero four millimeters, zero point two

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Speaker 1: six millimeters and zero point one millimeters too thin. And

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Speaker 1: Lando Norris's zero point one two and zero point zero

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Speaker 1: seven millimeters too thin. I did like it. I unashamedly

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Speaker 1: rip this directly from ESPN's Lawrence Edmondson that if Norris

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Speaker 1: loses the title by eighteen points or less, he will

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Speaker 1: be able to say he lost the title by literally

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Speaker 1: the width of a human hair, which is I think.

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Speaker 3: But the key words you just said then, like the measurements,

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed you reading them all and they are very

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Speaker 3: very small, but the key to words in those sentences

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Speaker 3: were too thin. And it's one of those rules that

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Speaker 3: you're you know you're you can't be half pregnant, as

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Speaker 3: the saying goes Michael, but you know you're either in

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Speaker 3: or you're out with this, and we've seen examples of

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Speaker 3: this through I mean even as recently as this year

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Speaker 3: Lewis Hamilton in China, wasn't it back right at the

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Speaker 3: start two thousand races ago? Is one of those rules

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Speaker 3: that there is no gray area with this. You've either

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Speaker 3: you're either in brich or you're not. And the McLaren's

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Speaker 3: were The curious part about this was that normally it's

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Speaker 3: a very very quick decision, and we know that someone's

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Speaker 3: being investigated for this and you know it's coming. It's

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Speaker 3: a bit like when they penalized Jumpstart at the start

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Speaker 3: to take rather a long time to get to this conclusion.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday night, Australian time and the best part about

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Speaker 3: all of this for Australian audiences, or particularly Australian journalists

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Speaker 3: four o'clock in the morning, so it happened in a

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Speaker 3: sensible time zone. But the curiosity for me is why

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Speaker 3: did it take so long?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did enjoy just as a side note, the

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Speaker 1: number of people complaining in the UK and fantastic group

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Speaker 1: about the time the race was on. One race in

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Speaker 2: You sympathy for me at all.

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Speaker 1: Teaspoon of concrete ladies and gentlemen. But this is it was.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting that it took so long because, as

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Speaker 1: and looked at Lewis Hamilton's disqualification in China, it was

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Speaker 1: you say, it's you know you're out. But McLaren did

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Speaker 1: argue hard, and you look, it's their right to argue

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Speaker 1: one line, all these things were the same for everybody.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have the practice time, the track conditions were

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Speaker 1: McClaren will have known arguing it. But it was then

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Speaker 1: interesting from what I've read. I don't know this for certain,

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Speaker 1: in aggressively setting up the car this way. But as

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Speaker 1: perhaps McLaren has been, according to some reports sailing fairly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does sound like they were quite close in

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Speaker 3: Brazil the previous race weekend. But the word that I've

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Speaker 3: And it feels to me that McLaren a may bee

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Speaker 3: That's coming from this far back. But it's clearly in

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Speaker 3: It just looks a bit dark and so visibility was

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that word footsteps to me is that McLaren,

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Speaker 3: reset the standings quite beautifully. Coming up for Katar with

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Speaker 3: because it's still improbable that Lando Norris loses this World championship,

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Speaker 3: it has set things up really, really nicely because Max

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Speaker 1: Yes, that would be about right now. Perhap my spreadsheet

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Speaker 1: up ready to tell you exactly what it was, and

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Speaker 1: it's I was too slow, apologies, but that sounds about ready,

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Speaker 1: a different finale here. But you're right, because it is

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Speaker 1: the disqualification, which was just not lose too many points.

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Speaker 1: Landon Norris is he in good form of Vestapans had

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Speaker 1: has nothing to lose. In fact, it's the second time

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Speaker 1: And when we talk about those twenty four points, I

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Speaker 1: just do want to go back to the previous two

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Speaker 1: sprints we've had, which both were significant for Oscar Piastri's

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Speaker 1: must going wow, what a great idea to put this

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Speaker 1: sprint in Kata, because if we get another twenty three

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Speaker 1: the showdown in Abu Dhabi that everyone wants. The zero

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Speaker 1: to one point difference between It's not out of the

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, what a great idea to have a

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Speaker 3: spridget Abu Dhabi. That's the first time that sentence has

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Speaker 2: Mankind by you. But I have prepared.

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Speaker 1: that's it. It's the fact that a team eraror has

432
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Speaker 1: put them in this position a team mistake has hasn't

433
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 1: actually cost Norris that much because he remains the title favorite,

434
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: but has cost Piastre a lot because he no longer

435
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: has that buffet of a Stappen and now puts him

436
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Speaker 1: in a worse position should a team orders situation arise,

437
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 1: because he has much less of a defense because He's

438
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 1: cart got disqualified in Las Vegas because it wasn't set

439
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 1: up properly or was set up to aggressively whatever. I

440
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 1: think that's what makes it even harder for the team

441
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Speaker 1: now to use team orders, because if you go back

442
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Speaker 1: to that logic of Monza, a team mistake should be

443
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Speaker 1: corrected on the track by a subsequent team order. You

444
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 1: do that, do you deliberately lose the driver's title because

445
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: you swant pi Astro in front of Norris in some

446
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: sick situation to get some points back whatever. Obviously that's

447
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: not going to happen, but that makes it even harder,

448
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 1: and I think of your Piastre, I think I think

449
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Speaker 1: it's either inconceivable that they give an order in Cuta

450
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Speaker 1: or I think it's was being conceivable the other drivers

451
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: were to listen to it. Piastro one who'd be receiving

452
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: it because it's too early, because then you're going to

453
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: have to go back relatively recently to twenty ten when

454
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: obviously no one thought about would win the title, but

455
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Speaker 1: he did at the last rates. So I think it's

456
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: just so complicated, and every step of the way McLaren

457
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Speaker 1: has somehow made it more complicated for itself. Yeah, the

458
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: latest method being to get podcasts to squalified with two

459
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Speaker 1: rounds to go.

460
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Speaker 3: But this is going back to what we've said numerous

461
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Speaker 3: times on this. They've taken a situation that actually wasn't

462
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Speaker 3: super complicated, and maybe it way more complicated than it

463
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: needed to be. I'm so glad you brought up the Monza,

464
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, flipping second and third around in that race

465
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Speaker 3: late because of Norris's dodgy pit stop. If that becomes

466
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Speaker 3: imagine if that becomes the margin that he wins the championship.

467
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Speaker 2: By oh my god.

468
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Speaker 3: But I think the best news out of what happened

469
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Speaker 3: on the weekend. Is this something that you and I

470
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 3: have dreaded since we looked at the calendar. The championship

471
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Speaker 3: now cannot be won in the Catar Sprint, which might

472
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Speaker 3: be the greatest use. I thought you were literally going

473
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: to be sadder than that gigantic sad bear in the

474
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Speaker 3: Qatar airport that you and I have talked about a

475
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Speaker 3: million times if that happened, because it was one of

476
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Speaker 3: those things that was going to happen at three o'clock

477
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: on a Sunday boarding at Australia, that someone was going

478
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Speaker 3: to win the world championship and a really really flat

479
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Speaker 3: way to end what's been a pretty compelling season. So

480
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: that's the good news. But the maths and the permutations

481
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: that are going to be done on the fly on Sunday,

482
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Speaker 3: particularly when you've got this slightly different race that's going

483
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Speaker 3: to take place because of the mandatory stid links that

484
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Speaker 3: we thought. But I still cannot get my head around

485
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Speaker 3: the fact that McLaren would willingly sacrifice a driver's championship

486
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Speaker 3: if it meant having to prioritize one of their drivers

487
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Speaker 3: over the other. I just cannot see it. And if

488
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Speaker 3: it does happen for that reason, then you really have

489
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: to start questioning what are we actually doing here, because

490
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: isn't isn't the whole story. We're trying to crowd a

491
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Speaker 3: Driver's champion This is what we do. You do not

492
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: give these things away for free. And if you have

493
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Speaker 3: to do something that's unpalatable to ensure that one of

494
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Speaker 3: your drivers wins the Driver's Championship, you have to do it.

495
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Speaker 1: The thing you gotta love about this championship is that

496
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Speaker 1: every time it's looked like it's going in one direction,

497
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: there's been some wild and random twist in proceedings that

498
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: amps up the pressure. It should be unfortunate for the

499
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Speaker 1: time zone, but a fascinating Grand Prix weekend in Kata.

500
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Speaker 1: Let's move now though to move of the week brought

501
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: to you by Shannons. This was not the most exciting

502
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Speaker 1: installment of the Las Vegas Grand Prix, I think it's

503
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Speaker 1: fair to say, despite the talking points that arose in

504
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Speaker 1: the aftermath. So I'm interested to know where you're going

505
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Speaker 1: to take us.

506
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, we've not spent one minute talking about

507
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: the actual race, but there you go. That's probably what

508
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: it deserves at this point. But I had a couple

509
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 3: of candidates for this, but I'm going to go slightly

510
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 3: left field here and I'm going to plump for Isaac Hadger.

511
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Speaker 3: Oh very nice, finished sixth in sixth in Las Vegas

512
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Speaker 3: after the double McLaren disqualification.

513
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Speaker 2: Just very quietly.

514
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: He's moved up to ninth in the Driver's Championship, ahead

515
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Speaker 3: of Nico Hockerberg as a rookie. So Isaac Caja's ninth

516
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: in the championship.

517
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Speaker 2: So two things.

518
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: One congratulations for that, world, don't Isaac Caja? And also

519
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: commiserations in advance when he gets promoted to Repull Racing

520
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six, which will of course begin the

521
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 3: end of his Formula One career starting next March in Melbourne.

522
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: So world, if forgetting into either top ten, and he's

523
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Speaker 3: a bouquet of flowers for you because we know how

524
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Speaker 3: this ended.

525
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Speaker 1: Yes, we are watching the second last season of Isaac

526
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: Kjar's career and it's.

527
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Speaker 2: A good one. Yeah, yeah, well it's been good. Enjoy it.

528
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: While at last Zanvilt was fine, let's everone move on.

529
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Speaker 3: But speaking of moving on, your move of the week,

530
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Speaker 3: I was thinking of talking about Max Fstappend being shall

531
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Speaker 3: we say a little bit interesting with the rules of

532
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Speaker 3: how far back you can be behind a car on

533
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Speaker 3: the warm up black in Las Vegas. That was quite

534
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Speaker 3: a good one. That was on my short list. But

535
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Speaker 3: you might have something better than that.

536
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: No, you me very well. I had true candidates. Well,

537
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: one was Kimi Antonelli, rising twelve places from where he

538
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: started with a technically no stop strategy. Yeah, tremendous defensive work. Essentially,

539
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: I don't think you actually had to overtake too many cars.

540
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: It was more about his strategy that was just perfectly executed.

541
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: Was faster than most drivers on tires that were forty

542
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: or eight laps or something like that old at the

543
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Speaker 1: end of the race, including faster than his teammate, who yes,

544
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: did have a small problem but managed his tires better.

545
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: But I'm going to go for Max with Stafford because

546
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: what I really like about the way he did the

547
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: formation lap and the first turn, it's got to be said,

548
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: is that it demonstrates what I think could be. Man,

549
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about this, and if it's all

550
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: just wrapped up in Cato, it's gonna undwhelming. But what

551
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: could be the deciding factor in whether or not he

552
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: can get the championship to the line in Abu Dhabi

553
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: with a realistic chance of winning it, which is that

554
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: he just has this year's long I can't think of

555
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: a better phraser than he has the wood on Norris,

556
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: like he has this little psychological edge on Norris. I

557
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: wrote a piece for the Fox Sports website on Tuesday.

558
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: You can go and read it if you like. Do it,

559
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: which is the Fox podcast. You should do it about

560
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: all the various incidents in which Vastapan and Norris have

561
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: clashed over there. It's really only been the last eighteen

562
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Speaker 1: nearly two years. Beau's the only time Norris had a

563
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: competitive car, and every time Verstappan has come out on top,

564
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: either in a racing sense or he's pressed home this

565
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: little psychological advantage that says I can kind of do

566
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: what I want and you'll just have to put up

567
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: with it. And it happened again even in Miami. The

568
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: fact it took Norris longer to pass him than Piastre

569
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: or with more excruciating attempts at overtaking him than because

570
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: Verstapan just got his elbows out in a way that

571
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he does for every other driver. Because

572
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: he knows Norris can't respond in as quick a way

573
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: or as incisive a way. And I can't help but

574
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: wonder whether this is just an extension of that, and

575
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: how much that my player role in Kara, because it

576
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: was this idea that he was hanging back on the

577
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: formation like which I went and looked at the sporting regulations.

578
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: There's no rule about how far back you're allowed to

579
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Speaker 1: be at the start, so Norris has worked up about

580
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: a rule that doesn't exist. You could see him if

581
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: you look at I think it's even just in the

582
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: world feed coverage. He spends a lot of that last

583
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Speaker 1: section of track when he's meant to be doing his burnouts,

584
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Speaker 1: looking in his mirrors at Forstapan and how far back

585
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: he as well. Verstappen does his preparatory program, Lo and

586
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Behold doesn't have the grip off the line, loses in

587
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: a pretty aggressive lunge across the track in an attempt

588
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: to keep first place from Maxims. Appen lose it anyway,

589
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: in fact, loses two places, and his race is decided

590
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: by having to get past George Russell over the course

591
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: of pretty much entire Grand Prix. I just think that

592
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: that's potentially telling in this final chapter we might be

593
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: able to get in this championship fight. So I think

594
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: it's Maxis Sappin for doing what could in all honestly

595
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 1: be not a move at all. It could have been

596
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: not deliberate, he could have just been doing what he wanted.

597
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: But it's still got under Landa Norris's skin.

598
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

599
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: Look, there's an intimidation factor with Vestappen, we know that,

600
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 3: but there's also a cunningness to the way he goes

601
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: about things. He would know that by doing that that, yeah,

602
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: there might be a car advantage for him, but he

603
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: also knows that that's going to trigger Norris. Right, these

604
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: guys know each other. He knows what will get under

605
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: his skin in that point, and it might be something

606
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: that you do for absolutely no game, but he's going

607
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: to ask the question of you to see how you respond.

608
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: And this, you know, we keep coming back.

609
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: We talk maths, this and.

610
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: Momentum that I cannot think of another driver in the

611
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: field that I would have considered to be a legitimate

612
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: world championship chance based on the numbers that Verstappen was behind.

613
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: Other than Verstappen, there's no one else for me that

614
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: you think would have the combination of ability, intimidation factor

615
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 3: and just sheer race cunning that could actually make this

616
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: a question that we're now asking. And that was of course,

617
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: it was completely lost on the on or used world

618
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: feed in inverted commas here commentary, because I was Timosy

619
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: talking about something else. But it was really obvious from

620
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 3: that overhead shot that you could see Norris come out

621
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Speaker 3: of that last quarter in Las Vegas and where's everybody else? Oh,

622
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: there are all three quarters of the way down the

623
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: proceeding straight, and you could see.

624
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: What was going on.

625
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: I was and was not surprised at equal measure that

626
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: it was not discussed on the broadcast, but you could

627
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: see exactly what was going on. Max was setting up

628
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: Norris for the I'm going to put some doubt in

629
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: your mind for turn one, and the way Turn one

630
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: on the start played out was absolutely the key to

631
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: the victory.

632
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: There's any one driver with anything to lose in these

633
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: last two races, and it's Lando Norris. So that's asolutely

634
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: be an interesting factor in that. Let's move along now

635
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: though to some news during this week, and we'll give

636
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: it a little bit of a contemporary lens as well.

637
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: By talking about something that is still up for grabs

638
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: other than the Driver's Championship, which is some positions and

639
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: many billions of dollars. A little bit down further, the

640
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: Constructors Championship, and I want to start with Aston Martin

641
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: and the news reported by the BBC that it's poised

642
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: to sack it's team principal and seeoh move him to

643
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: other projects, to replace him with Christian Horner, a name

644
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: you may be familiar with. He was sacked on earlier

645
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: this year by Red Bull Racing. He could be the

646
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: new well, let's go down to this year. It could

647
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: be the new Andy Cowe, who was the new Mike Krack,

648
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: who was the new Ot barzz Aff now fourteen principles

649
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: potentially in as many seasons say. It sounds like coined

650
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: to the BBC that there will be a new team

651
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: principal next year. The question is whether or not it's Horner.

652
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: He's on a short list. The other candidates are Andrea Seidel,

653
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: who was the McLaren team principal before he left to

654
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: head up the AUDI project and then was sacked, or

655
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: Mattia but not h who were sacked by Ferrari. A

656
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and now heads up the ARTI project.

657
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: So short list is fairly concentrated. But then, of course

658
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: there's Christian Horner. It comes only what is it about

659
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: three or four months since he was asked to leave

660
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing, and only about a month since he

661
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: was given pretty considerable payoff depending on exactly whose numbers

662
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: you're using, Either way, it's pretty big could be reunited

663
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: with Adrian Newey in only a matter of months at

664
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Aston Martin.

665
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: There's a couple of elements to this story, like perhaps

666
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: moving Andy Cowell more into a role responsible for the

667
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: power unit. That makes complete sense with his Mercedes background

668
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: and the fact that Aston Martin's gonna be runing Honda

669
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: next year.

670
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: That's going to take a lot.

671
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: Of bedding in, so that makes sense from that point

672
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: of view. I read a piece on the race dot

673
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: com that was talking about some potential tension between Adrian

674
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: Newey and Andy cow which may or may not be

675
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: the case. But what's interesting to me is that there

676
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: was supposedly a part of the reason that NUI left

677
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: Red Bull in the first place was because of some

678
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: tension with Christian Horner, and we obviously know that they

679
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 3: were you know thickest these for many years, and then

680
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: things went a little bit of rye with some emails

681
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: that one or two of us may have got at

682
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: some point, and Adrian knew he didn't quite enjoy that.

683
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: But apparently according to something that I read, was say

684
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: they went to an Oasis concert together and they and

685
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: they patch things up. So I'm wondering it was it

686
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: more sort of don't look back at anger or is

687
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: it more? Is it more Adrian you he's sort of thinking,

688
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: he's listening to the lyrics, He's going, oh, maybe you're

689
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: going to be the one that saves me. And I'm

690
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: sort of wondering if that being saved is from what

691
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: Lawrence stroll interfering with everything if things don't go well,

692
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: maybe there could be a bit of that. But you

693
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: mentioned those names that are in the mix with hornerous

694
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: potential replacements there. If you're framing a market on those

695
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: three names that you brought up, you'd have Horner absolutely

696
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: the top.

697
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: Of the list.

698
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: But there's so many aston Martin frustrates me enormously because

699
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: there's so much potential there right that they're not lacking

700
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: for resource and budget and ambition and all of the

701
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: things that you need to be a successful Formula one

702
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: team and are still not a successful Formula one team.

703
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: And I know that you're now going to seguey to

704
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: the constructor's points table because that's probably indication of a

705
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: part of the table that Aston Martin just should not

706
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: be in when you're looking at who they're competing against

707
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: for the back half of the constructors Championship.

708
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's become the battle for sixth because Williams

709
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: has all that locked out. Fift one hundred and twenty

710
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: one points. That's thirty one points ahead of Racing Bulls. Now,

711
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: that's still susceptible to a wild you know, lpnesque double

712
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: podium from Brazil last year, but that's pretty rare and

713
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: this is not gonna be any rain in the next

714
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: two races, so I personally can't see that happening. So

715
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: let's say Williams is fifth, but then behind Racing Bulls

716
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: is halfs on seventy three points. That's seventeen points behind. Okay,

717
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: that's getting a little bit large because Racing Bulls had

718
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good score thanks to Isaac Caadja, as you

719
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier at the weekend. But you know, with one

720
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: sprint round coming up. It's not to say that can't

721
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: be overhauled, but behind has and has jumped one place

722
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: thanks to the points that got thanks to the disqualifications

723
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Aston Martin which is one point behind,

724
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: which did not score, and Sauber now only three point

725
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: vents behind Aston Martin on sixty eight points. That's twenty

726
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: two points behind Racing Bols. So they're still playing at

727
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: home and then Alpines last. They're not going anywhere, So

728
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: it's a battle for these three teams about who's going

729
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: to finish ahead essentially Hals, Aston Martin and sour and

730
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: maybe hass has a shot at Racing Bolds. Maybe, but

731
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: there's a very real possibility in fact, if we look

732
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: at the run of scores in recent rounds, that Aston

733
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: Martin finishes nights last of all but Alpine, which is

734
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: essentially last. Considering what Alpen has been doing this year.

735
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Souber's scored points at all four of the last Grand

736
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: Prix okay, Aston Martin scored in three of the last four.

737
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: But the car is so unpredictable in terms of where

738
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: it's going to perform and where it's not compared to

739
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the hour. This hour has become a pretty reliable knocking

740
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: on the top ten car in both qualifying and race conditions.

741
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: But Aston Martin will turn up qualified relatively well, at

742
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: least with Fernando Alonso. But then in the race, I know, okay,

743
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: lancetrolls turned around the first corner. I think Alonso had

744
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of damage, but just never really looked

745
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: likely to score points.

746
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 3: No, And you know, so you go dig into those

747
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: stats a little deeper. Half are scored two nine points

748
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: in the past five rounds. That's actually genuinely pretty impressive.

749
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: But the number that you sort of alluded to their

750
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: Aston Martin are eighth in the Constructor's Championship. And you

751
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: look at the two teams either side of them in

752
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: terms of Hers and Saub. We know that Salera's about

753
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: to become OUTI and they're ramping up with spend and

754
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: what have you. But they just shouldn't be in the

755
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: same conversation, as you know, F one's probably most independent

756
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: team other than the power unit in the Ferrari ties

757
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 3: with Hahs and then Sauvo, whose car is the color

758
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: of Sauerva's car probably tells you a little bit about

759
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: the sponsorship portfolio that team's had over the past couple

760
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: of years, and this is where Aston Martin are. And

761
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: you said that before that Aston Martin are a little

762
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: bit unpredictable what they're going to do race by race.

763
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to disagree with you here because you

764
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: always know where one of the Aston Martins is going

765
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: to be. It's going to be absolutely nowhere, and this

766
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: is something that you and I talked about before, so

767
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: we may as well bring it up. My question to you,

768
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: would any other team hire either of Aston Martin's drivers

769
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: if they became available, and is that the only team

770
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: on the Formula One grid you could say that of

771
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: Because I'm looking at the teams behind astin the Constructor's Championship.

772
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: Someone's always going to what Gabrielle borught a Letto because

773
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: he's young and clearly very good. Pierre Gasly has had

774
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: a pretty good season for an awful car, an awful team,

775
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: and someone would hire him if he became available. You

776
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: look at Aston Martin's drivers. Fernando Alonso is forty four

777
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: years old and still very very fasty but he's still

778
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: forty four years old. Lancetroll's nine years into his F

779
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: one career. I think we kind of know what he

780
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: is by now, and I've been too harsh. Is that

781
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: the only team that if both those drivers came on

782
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: the open market, everyone and just go, eh, no, we'll

783
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: go with something else.

784
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Thinks I think it's a fair call. I think the

785
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: problem with Fernando Alonso is just that you can't really

786
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: build a team around him at this point. And I

787
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: also think there's not really a team that needs, you know,

788
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: a one to two year injection of experience to get going.

789
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: You know, Salva maybe, but they kind of look Nicko

790
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Hogin is obviously not the same caliber as nick as

791
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: a Fernando Alonso, but he's still kind of serving that

792
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: experience role, well like experience still and he's a very

793
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: capable driver. It's not as if he's just some old

794
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: guy who never cut it in Formula One. He clearly

795
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: can still do the business of helping that team grow.

796
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: I don't think any other team on the grid really

797
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: needs what he would offer. And then obviously all the

798
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: front running teams are all built around as is increasing

799
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: their phrase uson from one their franchise drivers who they're

800
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: going to lead to success or whatever. In Ferrari's case

801
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: constantly disappointed and well Lancetroald, Yes, he is spoken for

802
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: the driver with the most Q one eliminations this season.

803
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: If he's eliminated in Q one in Katar, he will

804
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: have the most this season. Like he will win that

805
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: record for this year he will. No one will be

806
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: eliminated more often at the first stage of qualifying than him,

807
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: which is okay. The car has not been great, obviously,

808
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: but Fernando Alonso has been showing what it is capable of,

809
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: at least on its good days. So I think that

810
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: is a good call, and that to bring this background

811
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: to where we started with this potential news that Christian

812
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Horner could become the team boss there even if he's not,

813
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: and it's someone else, whoever's taking this job, who's going

814
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: to be the one to tell this to Lawrence Stroll

815
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: that we need a new driver lineup and that probably

816
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: means both cars. Alonso, maybe you can keep it for

817
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: another year or two, but even he's talking about, look,

818
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: I've got one more year and then after that it's

819
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: going to be ambassador of duties. Unless the Acid Martin

820
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: next year he's a title winner, then maybe he'll stick

821
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: her around. You know, realistically, within the next two years

822
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: this we need a full driver lineup change at this team.

823
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: Who's telling that to Lawrence Stroll? And the reason why

824
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: I think the Christian Horner story is interesting more than

825
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: what according to some report's favorite Andrea Seidel or even

826
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: Masier Bonnotto, who I think that would also be strange,

827
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: considering he seems quite bettered in an Audi But anyway,

828
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: I guess you'd probably paid more at Aston Martin, I imagine,

829
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: or maybe not, is that Christian Horner. The idea of

830
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: him returning to Formula one has long been wrapped up

831
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: in the idea that he returns as some car as

832
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: a shareholder in a shareholding capacity. He doesn't want to

833
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: just go and do exactly the same thing he did

834
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: at Red Bull, because look at what happened at Red Bull.

835
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: He got sacked with not a lot of and look

836
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: at what's happening at Aston Martin to the team principles,

837
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: they're sacked after around one year in the job, and

838
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: there's this class with Adrian Neuwi. Even if they've made up,

839
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, there is this idea that Nui is a

840
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: shareholder at Aston Martin and is the highest paid employee

841
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: there at the moment. If Horner goes to Aston Martin,

842
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: it would suggest very strongly to me that he's obviously

843
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: being paid a lot of money, at least equal to NEWI,

844
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: but presumably would have a shareholding, whether that's part of

845
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: his deal. And I think if memory serves, it's about

846
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: five percent trade you new or three percent something like that.

847
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: You'd think Horner would need at least that, if not more,

848
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: if he did what we were expecting him to do,

849
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: which is bring some investors with him and actually take

850
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: a portion of the team a quarter or something. If

851
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: that's the case, surely you're not doing that without control

852
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: over the driver lineup. And that would tell me. And

853
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: we're getting several steps ahead of a story that may

854
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: not come to fruition. We only know he's on the

855
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: short list. That would suggest to me that Lawrence Stroll

856
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: is accepted. Maybe his son's not going to be the

857
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: world champion, maybe he's not going to exit for the one,

858
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: but he's prepared to take his hands off the reins

859
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: to some extent, which would be a real new chapter

860
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: for this team.

861
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: I had two thoughts as you were going through that.

862
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: As I was nodding my head in grinning, which is

863
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: absolutely useless in an audio podcast. I do realize, is

864
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: this not a case potentially of Christian Horner's saying, oh,

865
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: I could go to Aston Martin, try to get someone

866
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: else to perhaps jump in and offer him a greater shareholder,

867
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: get another team and perhaps you know, fast forwarding a

868
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: situation where it could be involved with someone else. Here's

869
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: the interesting thing for me. We talked about driver line

870
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: up before. If Christian Horner is in at Aston Martin,

871
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: does that rule Max for Stappin out of ever going

872
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: to Aston Martin if he ever leaves Red Bull Because

873
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: you think of the tension between the for staff and camp,

874
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: and particularly Jos for Stappen and Christian Horner over at

875
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: the last few months or months I guess of his

876
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: time at Red Bull Racing. Would Christian Horner going in

877
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: Aston Martin as a team principal and having a shareholder

878
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be, does that automatically rule

879
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: Max for Stappin out from it potentially ever going there

880
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: if he was to leave Red Bull Racing or is

881
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: Max Forstappen the sort of person that would be minded like, well,

882
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: if you have the best car on the grid, Old

883
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: go there. I don't care who runs the place. I

884
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: just want to win more things, because that was always

885
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: Aston's always been talked about as well if Max was

886
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 3: ever to leave and drive for someone else. In F one,

887
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: Aston was kind of the landing spot and it's Adrian

888
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: Newey and they've got the resource and you can do

889
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: that thing that the great champions do, where they go

890
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: and win things with somebody else to prove how good

891
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: they've been. Does Christian Horner's potential arrival at Aston Martin

892
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: completely rule that out? And then what does that do

893
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: for maxis Stapham, because where else would he.

894
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: Want to go?

895
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's always this store at Mercedes, but

896
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: it's that thing where if George Russell is to be believed,

897
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: and it's up to you with the not you want

898
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: to believe him. But if Mercedes is good enough that

899
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: it's winning races and in title contention next year, his

900
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: contract won't allow them to drop him. And we can

901
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: we assume they won't drop Antonelle as long as he's

902
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: doing the business because he's the future, whereas if they're

903
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: doing badly, he could leave. But Max isn't going to

904
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: go there. Let me put you to you a slightly

905
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: different proposition. Christian Huna goes to Aston Martin next year,

906
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: Adrian new is designer Haliver cart it's winning races. It's

907
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: going to be a title in the next couple of years.

908
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: Christian Horner goes to Max and apparently they still retain

909
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: just between them a reasonably good relationship. It goes to Max,

910
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: you come, I'm going to pay you a lot of money.

911
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: Lawrence Stell's got deep pockets. Papa Verstaffen, no go. He's

912
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: not allowed within one hundred meters of the factory or

913
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: the garage. Does Max take it?

914
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: Does he?

915
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: Because for all dense purposes, the beef seems to be

916
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: between Christian Horner and yos for Staffen, not Max. I

917
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: think that's an interesting question.

918
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: So it becomes a question of business and ambition over family.

919
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: Of course, you can always go back and patch up

920
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: family once your career at start. So does he take it?

921
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying, with absolutely no research and consideration, Yes.

922
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I like this has been a heavily hypothetical episode of

923
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: a bit tall. I've enjoyed it. We can't wrap it

924
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: up though, before we visit the Crystal boll. Speaking of hypotheticals.

925
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: The crystal ball broughts you by complete home filtration. Now,

926
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: last week I do remember this because it was still

927
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: on my running sheet when I opened it this morning.

928
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: I said that Lando Norris had one more DNF in here.

929
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: Oh do I get to claim the disqualification? You know what,

930
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 4: I'm a kind judge with this. Yes, I'm a little

931
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: concerned here because you said this came out of a

932
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: dream that you were having, yes about what was going

933
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: on for the rest of the season, so without you know,

934
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: this is obviously a family friendly show here, So what

935
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: have you been dreaming about in the past couple of nights?

936
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: And can you project something for the rest of the week.

937
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: Because I'm going to be a little bit greedy here.

938
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: I've actually got two crystal balls.

939
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh go, I'm.

940
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: Going to go through both of them afterwards. But given

941
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: that you're now.

942
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: Dreaming things into existence, where are you going?

943
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: Where are you going this week?

944
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: Sadly, no Formula one dreams this week, We'll not sound

945
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: It's probably good to have a bit of a break,

946
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: at least in my sleeping hours from Formula one. Look,

947
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: let me go first, because mine's a pretty straightforward one.

948
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: This is my instinct for this weekend is that we

949
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: will not get a world champion this weekend, I think

950
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: is a good outcome. I don't want the world Championship

951
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: decided at four thirty five am on Monday, Australity and

952
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: daylight time. I'd prefer it settled at this slightly better

953
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: time of half past one in the morning to follow.

954
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to happen in Ka.

955
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: I think we're going to go to Abu Dhabi with

956
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: it live. I think it's going to be slightly close.

957
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: It has to. I mean, if it goes to Abudhabi,

958
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: like it is going to be slightly close as it is,

959
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: because it can't be any more distant, and I think

960
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: slightly closer is reasonable because we shouldn't forget in the

961
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: current point system the difference between first and fourth, so

962
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: just off the podiums thirteen points, which sounds like a lot,

963
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: but that scenario is not that unrealistic considering how competitive

964
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: is at the front. So I think we're going to

965
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi. I think it's going to be just close

966
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: enough that we're not going there calling it simply a

967
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: coronation for Lando Norris. I won't predict beyond that, but

968
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: I think we're not going to get to the title

969
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: awarded this weekend.

970
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: You haven't got a points number in mind, or are

971
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: you going to wait until something appears to dream for you?

972
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll say less than fifteen, say less than fifteen points.

973
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I think the sprint there's a lot of potential on

974
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: the spread. I'm not going to say who whens driver

975
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: is less than fifteen points, but I think it's going

976
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: to be under fifteen.

977
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: All right, Well, given that I've decided, I'm going to

978
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: give myself too christ ball stamps this week. So I've

979
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: got the calculator out, I've done the mats. This is

980
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: how katar is going to play out? Oh here we go, Yes,

981
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: massive crystal ball.

982
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: That's the kind of prediction I like.

983
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: Norris will DNF in the Grand Prix and finish second

984
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: in the sprint three hundred and ninety seven points. Maxista

985
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: will win the Grand Prix and finished third in the

986
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: sprint three hundred and ninety seven points. Oscar Piastre, I mean,

987
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: let's be honest, he probably finishes fifth in both races

988
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: at this point. But let's say for the sake of

989
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: this exercise, Oscar Pastri wins the sprint and finishes second

990
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: in the Grand Prix three hundred and ninety four points,

991
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: and so you'll go into the final round. It'll be

992
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 3: the marketing slogan will be something like three drivers, three points,

993
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: two teams, one race and zero overtaking. Because so that's

994
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: sort of now that I've crunched the others. So it's

995
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: three points between three drivers. I'm here for I big.

996
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: They'll take ninety percent of your slegon.

997
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not the last bit. Would you like a

998
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: more realistic crystal ball? I'm happy to call that realistic.

999
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: But let's go all right, Well here's one for you.

1000
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: My crystal ball's predicting. I don't even know if that's

1001
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: this is particularly bold at this point, Kimmi Antonelli's going

1002
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: to overtake Lewis Hamilton for six to the driver's championship.

1003
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

1004
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: He's fifteen points behind. He's outscored Hamilton forty eight to

1005
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: ten in the past three events in Mexico, Brazil and Vegas.

1006
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: And you can imagine.

1007
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: This story if Hamilton goes through his first Ferrari season

1008
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: without a single podium, The story of being beaten by

1009
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: the teenager that inherited your seat at Mercedes Oh boy,

1010
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: And just for context here, this is why this is realistic.

1011
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: Hamilton has scored double figure points in a race weekend

1012
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: once since Belgium in round thirteen, and that was because

1013
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 3: it was a sprint weekend in Austin. That's the only

1014
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: time he's cracked double figures since round thirteen. So given

1015
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: that Antonelli's fifteen points behind with what fifty eight to

1016
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: play over these final two rounds, given them momentum that

1017
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: he's on relative to Hamilton, who has absolutely none, I

1018
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: reckon this is absolutely in play and that may be

1019
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: the crystal ball I've ever come up with.

1020
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: That's huge, and I think you weren't wrong about being

1021
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: more realistic, although I still like your first one. But

1022
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: I think that fifteen points it feels almost inevitable at

1023
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: this stage because when's Ferrari. I mean you only have

1024
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: to listen to some of Charlotte Clipa, even Lewis Hamilton's

1025
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: comentry after that, but Charlotte Quere's commentary, who just seems

1026
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: to suggest there's no end in sight except for the

1027
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: sweet release of Abu Dhabi's checkered flag and big putting

1028
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: this car in the incinerator presumably, but yeah, it's hard

1029
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: to know because Hamilton's also that character. I know we've

1030
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: got to have up to sing, but we've talked about

1031
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: it before where his head goes down and then that

1032
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to break that funk and his

1033
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: head is down there. He's clearly I was goin to

1034
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: say he's clearly looking forward to next year, but apparently

1035
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: he's not even looking forward to next year.

1036
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: But he must be.

1037
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: I can't see him summoning the motivation that Kimmy Antonelli

1038
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: has had to have two podiums in her own now.

1039
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: It's interestingly enough, but we'll find out more in only

1040
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: a few days time because we won't have to wait

1041
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: long to cut our Grand Prix this weekend and the

1042
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: season finale the following Nabudhabi, and that's all the time

1043
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,920
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1044
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,440
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1046
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,719
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1047
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: was baddast, with races at four fifty pm on Friday

1048
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: and three forty five PM on Saturday and Sunday. That's

1049
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: Eastern daylight time, followed by or around the Kata Grand

1050
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Prix with the sprint at one am on Sunday and

1051
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,759
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1052
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,800
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1054
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1055
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