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Speaker 1: Larry am to welcome to straight talk mate about bloody time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to see him. Mark.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for ages and mean, by

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Speaker 1: the way, we both got our whiskey.

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Speaker 2: Wejaws, Yeah, you whole mine. I hold.

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Speaker 1: So this is the ben Butler. This is Larry's answer

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Speaker 1: to the bird. Like he heard I was doing the

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Speaker 1: bird and he couldn't handle it, so we went off

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Speaker 1: and reduced his own whiskey. Actually it's a good drop

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Speaker 1: of the bend. But club you should get this.

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Speaker 3: And this is the bird, but you still you still

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Speaker 3: should get the bin buckler.

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Speaker 2: That's the bird. But that's not fair. Hang, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is a good one. And in fact, you know

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Speaker 2: how this is really good because it's that Look it's

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Speaker 2: a workday. Look at that. I've already had something, He's

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Speaker 2: already had some, and we'll have it. Let's raight back.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on this, Sammy made well well done, and we'll

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Speaker 2: We should have a little taste.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hope you don't mind us cracking the

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Speaker 1: want open, So mate, I need to go. I think

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Speaker 1: I wouldnence love to go back and hear a little

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Speaker 1: bit about you know, it's really good for a start.

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Speaker 1: I'm on this side of the microphone and you're on

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Speaker 1: that side. This is normally around the other way. This

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Speaker 1: is strange, normally you're asking about something on seven. But

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Speaker 1: it's a great up achieve for me just to dig

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I know a lot of place that

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Speaker 1: you're friendly with in the Suburbs. We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of mates, mutual friends. But I've never really known your background,

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Speaker 1: like where'd you grow up? Brothers and sisters. I know

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Speaker 1: you got one sister, two sisters, two sisters.

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Speaker 2: I knew you.

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Speaker 1: I should have said that, should have at least said

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Speaker 1: I know you have at least one sister because her

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Speaker 1: name is Martine and I've got one of her paintings

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Speaker 1: in my home. Yes you do, Yeah, and I bought

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Speaker 1: it from Tim Olsen.

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Speaker 2: Did Tim represent yes for instance?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Tim being a new Suburbs guy.

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Speaker 1: But tell me about your family and growing up.

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Speaker 2: Grew up a Bondy.

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Speaker 3: In fact, grew up at ben Butler, which is North Bondye.

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Speaker 3: So they have three streets on the ben Buckler Peninsula,

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Speaker 3: which is the North Bondo headland, and I grew up

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Speaker 3: in all them Hastings Parraid, Brighton Boulevard, Ramscaate Avenue, and

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Speaker 3: I grew.

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Speaker 2: Up as a as a surfer.

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Speaker 3: I'll be surfing with a bunch of year old mates

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Speaker 3: before school and after school, and a lot of times

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Speaker 3: during school. I remember all our afternoons after school, be

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Speaker 3: and my sister's a nice splashing around in the surf.

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Speaker 3: And I remember Dad teaching me how to surf by

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Speaker 3: pushing me around the North Bondi Pool, the kids pool.

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Speaker 3: So all my childhood, and in fact it's probably till

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Speaker 3: I was thirty years old, all revolves around a place

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Speaker 3: called Ben Butler, and that was at school.

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Speaker 2: I was very, very bad at school, kicked out of

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Speaker 1: I just talked about Ben Butler for a second, like

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Speaker 1: most people don't realize.

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Speaker 2: Everyone be thinking BONDI reach, how many years have been?

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Speaker 2: Going back? Now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sixty one now about to be sixty one,

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Speaker 2: Fifty one years ago?

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Speaker 1: So fifty years ago in the seventies, Bondo was not

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Speaker 1: joint one hundred percent. It was very think of your

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Speaker 1: little mid North Coast town almost you know, like everyone

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Speaker 1: that coffee culture. There was none of that bar culture.

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Speaker 3: You would never go out for a coffee or anything

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Speaker 3: shops and flash. The Awnings were rusty and falling down

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Speaker 3: It took me would take me two hours to walk

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Speaker 3: It was a real community spirit and that that's long

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Speaker 1: Ye know. My very first wedding I got married at

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Speaker 1: a place called the Orchides. Okay, do you remember the

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Speaker 3: Yes, So my bachelor pad, yeah, which we still have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they developed it because it wasn't there wasn't

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Speaker 2: Married there, and I can remember the name of the family.

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Speaker 1: It'd only but it was a local bloke and Orgades

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Speaker 2: But was there. I don't think it was anything above that.

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Speaker 3: So my place where I grew up, when I eventually

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Speaker 3: so we would look over a good spot, a great.

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Speaker 2: Spot, a great spot.

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Speaker 1: And in those days, if you're looking south, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: Around they be looking.

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Speaker 1: South and Bondo was never like it's not like, it

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Speaker 1: was never considered great. It wasn't until they started developing

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Speaker 1: built those terraces there, and actually James moved and Ginge

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Speaker 3: They would they would read Italy tell me whenever I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and great days those days. I mean, did you

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Speaker 3: Area's Overheightspoorts High School which is no longer there but

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Speaker 2: I really went to school surfing all the time.

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Speaker 3: Surfing all the time, and that's all I wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: And school was pretty loose then too. I don't imagine

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Speaker 2: Stop.

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Speaker 3: Watch my parents drive off to work, Wave them good way,

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Speaker 2: And mom and dad was it? What were they doing?

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Speaker 3: Dad was a salesman essentially, so he'd go from company

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Speaker 3: Mum was doing bits and pieces. She was managing a

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Speaker 3: managing a shopping center at Newtown at one point. Then

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Speaker 3: So they were busy. They were doing different things all

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Speaker 1: So working class kid, yeah, and which was typically of

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Speaker 1: those days in Bondwe that was a working class area.

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Speaker 1: Your sisters younger, older than you both.

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Speaker 3: So I have an older sister, Nicole, she's the brains

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Speaker 3: of the family. She's the psychologist. And then the younger sister, Martine,

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Speaker 3: who was the now famous artist.

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Speaker 1: Now actually actually famous, yeah, at least in Australia anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, very very successful.

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Speaker 3: She sells stuff overseas and it's a wonderful story and

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Speaker 3: I love telling people about it because if they're interested

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Speaker 3: in the Bondai sort of concept. The origin story. Martine

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Speaker 3: started by doing chalkboards for restaurants cafes around Bondai and

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Speaker 3: she draws seagulls and dolphins and waves and things. But

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Speaker 3: they were beautiful, so they just became went from being

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Speaker 3: her to do a show, you know, put some do

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Speaker 2: And her first paintings were two hundred bucks and three

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Speaker 2: hundred bucks and then now, as you know, much more

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Speaker 3: But there were some terrific ones chalkboards around Bondi where

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Speaker 3: chalkboard and they never wanted to change the price of

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Speaker 3: coffee around a few places in Bondike stayed the same

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Speaker 3: because they didn't. Now Martin's becoming famous, They've got a

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Speaker 3: Martin End chalkboard menu and they kept that.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I remember sitting the Tropicana some years ago and I

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Speaker 1: was there with Ginge, David Ginjel and like this is

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Speaker 1: no secret, I don't mind say. And ging was there

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Speaker 1: but he had no shoes and us all remember. And

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Speaker 1: that's the day him and James got into the punch

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Speaker 1: up right James's house. I remember there being in the track.

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Speaker 1: He was very cranky, and I remember saying saying and

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Speaker 1: I said, mate, I'm just going to go home and

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Speaker 1: forget about it. Next I know he's reading up on

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Speaker 1: the telephone and he said, I just got to punch up.

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Speaker 2: I thought, great. But Bondi and.

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Speaker 1: Larry amda I reckon a synonymous. Most people don't know

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Speaker 1: that the between the two of you, Bondi and you

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Speaker 1: are very very close, and to your sister as well

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Speaker 1: when we're talk Martine. Martine used to paint images of

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Speaker 1: mostly women. I think they were in the water, Yes,

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Speaker 1: under the water, you could And I actually thought first

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Speaker 1: time I saw it, I thought it was a photograph.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that's the amazing thing that she does, and

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Speaker 3: no one can work out how she does it. It's

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Speaker 3: so beautiful that her the light making its way through

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Speaker 3: just amazing. And so whenever I post anything like that,

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Speaker 3: people like, oh, great photograph. No, no, no, it's a painting.

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Speaker 1: And that is that inspired? Was that inspired by the

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: All her first paintings, many of which I have. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I'm really lucky because in the early days, if something

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Speaker 2: But that's I didn't want to be a journalist. I

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Speaker 3: I stole it essentially, and when I was coming home,

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Speaker 3: morning in an envelope, slid it under the door. Dear editor,

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Speaker 3: It was page three of the Bondi Spectator Bondi Crime

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Speaker 2: So you'd gone to print it. Good on you.

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Speaker 3: I did that for a year. Every week I slipped

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Speaker 2: The scrapbook from the Bondo spectator. Where do you get

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Speaker 2: One day changed my life. One day.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, one day change your life.

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Speaker 1: But like the decision to was it just random decision?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been doing the coffee boy stuff for a

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Speaker 3: And I'd probably grown up a bit from when I

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Speaker 3: And if it went in any other way, I would have

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Speaker 2: But it made me a TV replace slating door moment.

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Speaker 2: You remember Ricky May, Yeah, I do remember the musician, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: He was this huge New Zealander guy with his massive

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Speaker 2: Was it your idea, editors, Now it's my idea. I went.

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Speaker 3: I went out and said every got anything, come out?

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Speaker 3: He walked straight over to me, straight across past all

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Speaker 3: This guy's got really good singer. So Ricky had put

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Speaker 2: Wow, I was the work experience.

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Speaker 3: Kid came in the tripod right, And then we got

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Speaker 3: nightly news as a reporter. It was quite bizarre, and

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Speaker 2: But well, okay, if you just stop there for seeing.

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Speaker 2: And what have you ever thought yourself?

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Speaker 1: How did I get to the Spectator in the beginning

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Speaker 1: no qualifications. I have no right to be sitting here

440
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Speaker 1: with you. Having spent forty years relatively successfully in television.

441
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 1: There's been some bombs as well, believe me. But I

442
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,080
Speaker 1: look back on my entire career, go, that's either fate,

443
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,400
Speaker 1: it's a chain of happy accidents. But at no point

444
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,400
Speaker 1: have I been able to stand in front of anyone

445
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,679
Speaker 1: and go I'm qualified and I'm good for this job, like,

446
00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,680
Speaker 1: at no point.

447
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,120
Speaker 3: So I think back to the Ricky may day certainly,

448
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,160
Speaker 3: and it was one thing after the other, and you're right,

449
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 3: and the Bondo spectator was a great example, and then

450
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,080
Speaker 3: what happened.

451
00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:21,679
Speaker 2: Next was a good example.

452
00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,480
Speaker 3: And it just just went on and on, and I

453
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,080
Speaker 3: feel very lucky, like blessed.

454
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Speaker 2: You know.

455
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Speaker 3: I know it's cliche to say that, but in a

456
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,760
Speaker 3: business that choos people up and spits them out pretty quick.

457
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,959
Speaker 1: Because you've been in it for a long tyty two

458
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Speaker 1: years now, not many people last that long.

459
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Speaker 3: No, No, there some bombs. There's been some bombs, and

460
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Speaker 3: in fact, you know, Adding to what you're saying is

461
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,120
Speaker 3: that there's been plenty of times where I probably should

462
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,920
Speaker 3: have been out gone. You know, I've done some shit shows,

463
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,840
Speaker 3: Mark like some horrible shows, some of the worst shows

464
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 3: on TV, and that should have been me gone, you know,

465
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Speaker 3: living up, living up in the Byron.

466
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Speaker 1: But it's not your fault that that that the format

467
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,760
Speaker 1: was no good. And a lot of times they say

468
00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 1: are the format shit? Because I member the Prentice format

469
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,200
Speaker 1: format in the beginning, becoming old and tired. I take

470
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Speaker 1: the view. I took the view it wasn't me that

471
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,919
Speaker 1: had got cut. Formats die off sometimes formats and were

472
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 1: sure in the beginning, but if they get a new format,

473
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,199
Speaker 1: they're looking for talent. Yeah, so you must have been

474
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 1: good talent.

475
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 2: Do you think we're just sure someone saw something in there?

476
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 1: Something There must have been something, yeah, like just maybe

477
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 1: even the way you walk, Ricky may notice something when

478
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: you're a young kid. There must be something about innocence

479
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: in your face, or something in the way your approach,

480
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 1: or something about you.

481
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,159
Speaker 2: Do you think that ever about yourself? Do you?

482
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: And that is that I think Larry is of late.

483
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 3: I wrote a book and I thought I'm going to

484
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 3: write this book to try and work out why I'm

485
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 3: he exactly answer exactly the questions you're talking about, why

486
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 3: the hell am I here? The kid who actually, if

487
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 3: you turned left into the right, would have been a garbo? Yeah,

488
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 3: you know, and I couldn't answer the question. But you know,

489
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,399
Speaker 3: I did think that I've been a reasonable human being.

490
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 3: I did think that in an industry that can breed assholes. Yeah,

491
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 3: and that's generalizing, but I think I've been a reasonable

492
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 3: human being, and particularly when the ship's hitting the fan,

493
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 3: and I think that's been important part of the play

494
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: that you know, when you get acted after two weeks

495
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: to walk up to the executive producer and gore, you know,

496
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 3: this is crazy.

497
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 2: And I've never played that game.

498
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 3: And I've always been very grateful for any all those opportunities.

499
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Speaker 2: Have you always been a seven? No? No? No? You

500
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Speaker 2: move from started at seven years for a couple of years, yep.

501
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Speaker 1: So this by way of example that the waisout chapel yeap.

502
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Speaker 1: So it was day one, day one.

503
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Speaker 2: A couple of years, and it's seven years.

504
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Speaker 3: And then I started to do the I was a

505
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Speaker 3: young news reporter, and what young news reporters would suffer

506
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 3: back in the day is that you'd get to do

507
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Speaker 3: all the shit stories that the older news reporters do

508
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: want to do. So you'd be doing the death knocks.

509
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: Are you be going to a fatal car accidents and

510
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 3: fatal fires? The death knocks are a horrible thing when

511
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: you're going what's the death knock? So kid gets killed

512
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 3: by a train kings cross and the chief of stuff

513
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 3: sends you. You're on at six eight in the morning.

514
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: Chief of Stuff's just go out to a house in the

515
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Speaker 3: Blue Mountains, knock on his mum's door and ask you

516
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 3: how she feels well, death not and often you know

517
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 3: you either before or minutes after the police.

518
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: It's horrible, horrible. And I was a kid, right.

519
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: So I was doing this heavy, these heavy news things,

520
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 3: and there was one I saw.

521
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: People being shot. I was first on the scene. We

522
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: were first on the scene.

523
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: At a triple fatal car accident on the Pacific Highway

524
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: because traffic was banked up either side and we're in

525
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: the chopper and we landed right next to the scene,

526
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 3: so we were there before ambulances and police who were

527
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 3: caught in the traffic and this stuff. I was a

528
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Speaker 3: kid marked and it was screw me up. I didn't

529
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Speaker 3: realize it at the time, but I was just I

530
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 3: was sad and I was angry, and that's not who

531
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Speaker 3: I was.

532
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Speaker 2: So I started to lean towards the lightest side of stuff.

533
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: At the end of the news.

534
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: There's always that little kicker where they say, coming up

535
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 3: the new penguin at the Toronto Zoo.

536
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll do it.

537
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: I'll do it because I wanted to do that stuff

538
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 3: mark that made people smile at the end of the news.

539
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do the stuff that broke people's

540
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: hearts and made people cry and made people upset. I

541
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: wanted to be the fun guy at the end of

542
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 3: the news, so I made that my round, fun stories,

543
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 3: the lighter side. And then so someone at Channel ten

544
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 3: saw that there was an opening at a show then

545
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: called Good Morning Australia with Kerry and Kennelly, and it

546
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 3: was for someone to do those stories but feature stories.

547
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: So travel around the world doing fun magazine TV style stories,

548
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: and that's where I went.

549
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Speaker 2: Then do you think it?

550
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Speaker 1: Because I think what you're sort of saying is that

551
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: in journalism into special television, you can have this investigative

552
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: journal ors like you might have it atn ACA, or

553
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: you can have these people who are more, as you said,

554
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: more on the lighter side. Is that a reflection of

555
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 1: your personality?

556
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I couldn't have lived in the

557
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: other I couldn't have lived for the other guys. Sorry,

558
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: of course I could have. I was very unhappy reporting

559
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: on those stories. I remember the death knock that I did,

560
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 3: where I thought, I hate this job and.

561
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Speaker 2: I love the job.

562
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: I hated that part of the job, and I could

563
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 3: see that as the young guy, the young turk in

564
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: the business, you that was your lot, right, You were

565
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: doing the things that all the older gurneis were going,

566
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a death knock anymore. And I

567
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: remember the one, and it was a mother out in

568
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: the Blue Mountains and we got there before the police,

569
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 3: and I was knocking on her door saying, how do

570
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: you feel about your son being killed by a train?

571
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: And she didn't That was the first she had heard

572
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: of it, and it was.

573
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you didn't know, Oh my god, that'd

574
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Speaker 1: knock anybody leger.

575
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 2: So it was just shock. And I didn't know how

576
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Speaker 2: to process that.

577
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: I was eighteen nineteen years old, and how to process

578
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: And then I started doing these fun stories and that's

579
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Speaker 3: that's me.

580
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: I'm that guy. I'm that guy.

581
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: I'm the light, lighthearted, fun loving, wacky guy. And there's

582
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: a place for that in TV and I've made it

583
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: my home in a televisional sense.

584
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said carrying Kennelly one of my favorites. Hello

585
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Speaker 1: cac hey going. What was that like working with Kenny?

586
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: Oh, fantastic? She was an icon and like it was

587
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: still as a legend yeah television, Yeah, yeah, no, it was.

588
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: It was fantastic, and it was back in the day

589
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: of there were junkets and they see things with now

590
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: zoom and all that sort of stuff.

591
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: You're not flying to Hollywood anymore to interview big.

592
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: Stars or rarely, but but back then it was.

593
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: It was a thing.

594
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: So we do lots of different things like that. I

595
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: get to travel all the time, do great stories and

596
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 3: I loved my time in that And that was for

597
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: two years.

598
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: Who are some of the people that you've worked with?

599
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Like, who are the legends of telling you and we

600
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Speaker 1: just meant you Erry and Kennelly?

601
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: Whose I mean I've worked with them? All right? Yeah,

602
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: it was.

603
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 3: Carrying back in the day, So then it was it

604
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: was carry Out and Tim Webster, Tim Gibbo, Mike Gibson,

605
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: and then I've worked with all those other people that

606
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: I went.

607
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Speaker 2: To Channel nine.

608
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: And then I so I worked with all those as

609
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 3: hosting prices, right, so then you're in with all that crowd,

610
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: and no, I think, But I mean some people like

611
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: Bert Newton, Wow, would be you know, my favorite person

612
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: to be in the same room with. And I look

613
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: at that and go, that's TV. You know that that

614
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 3: old school TV?

615
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: What do you do with Bert? Was it?

616
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Speaker 3: Like just I was a guest on his show quite

617
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: a few times, and we do telethons and all that

618
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: sort of thing was okay?

619
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: Was when you say the guests? Would you tell about

620
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: the Burt Newton Show?

621
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the or the mid day show? The mid day

622
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: show right, mid day show? Yeah? Yeah for years? Yeah,

623
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: because and I still like watching Bird Newton.

624
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: But a lot of people probably know we're talking about,

625
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: but I listened, love watched Burt Newton with Don Lane.

626
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Class a legend. And you can't do that stuff anymore.

627
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: You can't get it, wouldn't get away with it. Bert

628
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: was extraordinarily funny. So but did any of these people

629
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: put placeholders in your mind as to how you I think, Larry,

630
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: and we should be as an individual, as a person.

631
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: I believe so.

632
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: And more more importantly than that, I saw plenty of

633
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: people that I'll go, I don't want to be.

634
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: Like that, right, that's not my style. That's not my style.

635
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: This is a good that you had a chance to

636
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: choose your style totally.

637
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: And because because I was that guy that I was

638
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: telling you about on Good Morning Australia, so I got

639
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: to interview all the celebrities, all the famous people who

640
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: were coming through town, all the famous local celebs, and

641
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: so I got to do sit here like you're sitting

642
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: in there and see them on the other side and go,

643
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to be like Jesus, if I'm ever

644
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: on that side of the camera, I don't want it

645
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: to be like that. So I was lucky in that

646
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: regard as well that I got to do this litmus

647
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 3: test over and over again to sort of shape the

648
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: sort of people that I admire in the business. So

649
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: Burtonton was one of them. Kerry Anne was fabulous as well.

650
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: And you see the people who love TV. There's plenty

651
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: of people in TV who don't love TV. It's like

652
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: it's a job or it's your next contract or whatever.

653
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: But these people it was in their DNA row. Another

654
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: great example loves television?

655
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: What is it about TV? You love? What is it?

656
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know anything else is the thing? Well,

657
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: now I'm finding out with this whiskey thing.

658
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: Right, But I don't know.

659
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: I mean I said in my LOGI speech that I've

660
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Speaker 3: never done an I've never known anything else, never done

661
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Speaker 3: anything else, And regardless of what's happening in my life,

662
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Speaker 3: when the red light comes on, I'm just it's just

663
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Speaker 3: I love it.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

665
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Speaker 1: But you've been there for a long time, particularly in

666
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Speaker 1: the morning show leaking that you're doing now linked for

667
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Speaker 1: seven You've been there for a hell of a long time.

668
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Speaker 1: And do you keep sort of trying to a stay

669
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Speaker 1: relevant for the show And do you ever get bothered

670
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Speaker 1: that you're not no longer relevant? And how do you

671
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Speaker 1: keep yourself engaged because that engaged the audience?

672
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Speaker 2: How do you do those two things? Staying relevant?

673
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and keeping the audience engaged by you being engaged

674
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: energy wise?

675
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the relevance thing, don't I can't answer that. I

676
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: suppose the thing that interested me of late and particularly

677
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: in sort of putting the book together. And I worked

678
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Speaker 3: this out.

679
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Speaker 1: What's the same of them, by the way, happy as

680
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Speaker 1: happy as good.

681
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Speaker 3: As And the thing that I worked out then is

682
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Speaker 3: that the audience who are watching now maybe there's a

683
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Speaker 3: sector of them who I've grown up with, Like I

684
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: was a kid, yeah, and they would have been kids

685
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: and now we're all together. So there's a good TV

686
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: demographic that probably come to the Morning Show. There's a

687
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: wide demographic for the Morning Show, but certainly the Morning

688
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: Show and the Chase would have a bunch people who

689
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: have been I've been in there landrum for forty years.

690
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: So the relevance is sort of self sourcing for that demographic,

691
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Speaker 3: at least.

692
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Speaker 2: If you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
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Speaker 3: And then the younger demographic, I don't know, I do

694
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: this stupid stuff on Instagram. Morning Show's funny. I've taken

695
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: my position on the Morning Show as the sort of

696
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: I don't really care about the Kardashians, and I don't

697
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: really care about Dancing with the Stars, and I don't

698
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: really care about this sort of stuff. But that works

699
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: from a relevance perspective. Also, I find because a lot

700
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Speaker 3: of guys my age could the stuff about the Kardashians

701
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Speaker 3: or the Royals. So even if you're a wife watching

702
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: the show whose husband is my age, do you know

703
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: what I mean? Going of course Larry thinks the Royals

704
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: are silly, because my husband would think jack I would

705
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: think the same. So I think the relevance is I've

706
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: just played a pretty straight back and I think maybe

707
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: people find that reasonable, just to be yourself and not

708
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: trying to pretend that, oh, yeah, I know everything about

709
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Speaker 3: the I know everything about the Kardashians because the show

710
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: says that I have to. I don't and I don't care.

711
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: And I think people see in our relationship with Kylie

712
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: and myself. We hear this all the time that people go, oh,

713
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: Larry's just like my husband. He sits there, he nods

714
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: the but he doesn't listen to anything and doesn't care

715
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: about anything like So if people can see that relationship,

716
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: then that's our relevance.

717
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Speaker 1: How much of that is the actual authentic Larry? I mean,

718
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: is it?

719
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: No?

720
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Speaker 2: All of it? Yeah?

721
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: In three hours of life TV, you can't.

722
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Speaker 2: You can't.

723
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Speaker 3: I defy anybody to sit on TV for eighteen years now,

724
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: three hours live and bullshit. I don't think you can

725
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: you maybe get a pocket or two away, but there's

726
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: no way you could. And I think when I came

727
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: to it as well, I'd been doing the Prices right

728
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: for a long time, and you can't bullshit in that either,

729
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: Like all defenses down. You're rolling with it very quickly.

730
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: You're interacting with people very quickly. You don't have time

731
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Speaker 3: to put on a character.

732
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Speaker 2: You can't how produces it?

733
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Speaker 1: How produced? Was the Price is Right? And how produces

734
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Speaker 1: the Morning Show produce? What I mean by that is scripted?

735
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Speaker 3: No prices write, no script When I got to the

736
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Speaker 3: Morning Show, the first time I've ever used an auto

737
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Speaker 3: Q in my life, and that's been kicked out of school.

738
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Speaker 2: Remember I was kicked out of school. I couldn't read

739
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Speaker 2: all right.

740
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Speaker 3: You know that's serious, really serious issues for me. So

741
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: when so Prices Right was perfect to me because it

742
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: just I was grown man playing game and everyone's laughing,

743
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: everyone's having fun, and everyone's winning stupid prizes. And I

744
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: was in my element, like that was is this my life?

745
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: Is this a job that was unreal? And then the

746
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Speaker 3: Morning Show comes up and I'm like, and we were

747
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: told that I go for three or six months as

748
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Speaker 3: a trial and now I've got to read an autoque,

749
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Speaker 3: and I reading was not my thing. So you know,

750
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Speaker 3: I suppose there were some early days of the Morning

751
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: Show where maybe there was auto q Larry, but that

752
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: was me just being scared of the autoque. It wasn't

753
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: me trying to be anybody else. It was just me going, oh,

754
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Speaker 3: I've got to read these words, which I feel.

755
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Speaker 2: More comfortable with now. But you can add libit anyway

756
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Speaker 2: as much as I mean.

757
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Speaker 3: And that's my favorite bit, to be honest, and I

758
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: think people like that of the Morning Show. I think

759
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: the most boring days that Kylie and I can have

760
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: and when we go in there and we read the autoque.

761
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: So there's an event.

762
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: So sometimes there might have been something has happened and

763
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Speaker 1: it's all been audo cued up for you. You've got

764
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: to read through it that process because people don't understand

765
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: how television works, so you might look like you're talking

766
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: to me on the television, but you actually got to

767
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: auto cure. And it could be about some disaster's which

768
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: by the way, has to be scripted because you don't

769
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: want to stuff it up and you've got to You've

770
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: got to do it correct it could be about fires,

771
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: it could be about floods, it could be about whatever

772
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: natural disasters. So it's auto queuing, like behind the camera

773
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Speaker 1: you're reading it. When you're doing that, how often do

774
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: you feel as though you just want to I just

775
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: want to go off a Q and I want to

776
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Speaker 1: say what I like saying.

777
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: I feel that all the time.

778
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: Not not with those heavy news stories, And that's different, right, Yeah,

779
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: breaking news, you want to we need to get that

780
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: as close to what's going on as we possibly can.

781
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: So that's everyone in the newsroom and everyone in the

782
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Speaker 3: control room working as a unit to try and get

783
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: the information out effectively and efficiently.

784
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: Get that message and accurately and accurately.

785
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: So rarely at that point would we straight I mean

786
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: if we had to. Sometimes it's like talk to the

787
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: pictures the Lint Cafe siege that just happened outside our

788
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: window and no one knew it was going on.

789
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: So as Kylie and I just talking, that's you're in

790
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Speaker 2: the city.

791
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Then we're in the city Martin places across the roads

792
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: in the buildings right there.

793
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I remember it. I remember you were where the studios were.

794
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we were first on air in

795
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: the world because we were on TV and I saw

796
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: this guy outside because we had these huge windows on

797
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: the Martin Place, Martin placed in the Lint Cafe, and

798
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: this guy came up on a pushbike. He literally jumped

799
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: off the pushbike and threw it away and he was

800
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: in shorts and T shirt and pulled the gun out,

801
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: and I went, what's going on there? And then all

802
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, there was a bit of in our in

803
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: our studio, Everyone's going, look, look, there's just cops from everywhere.

804
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: And then you look to the Lint Siege the Lint

805
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: Cafe and you could see the faces up against the window.

806
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: I still see it clearly today. So in an instance

807
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: like that, we're just talking to what we can see,

808
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: and that tested all of our strengths and weaknesses.

809
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: But that was the one.

810
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: You know, obviously that was a one off, But there

811
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: have been there have been news items where we just

812
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: have to talk to pictures and everyone's looking at the

813
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: same picture to go what's happening here? And that's where

814
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: I'm a journalist back in the day. Kylie is a

815
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: very well trained journalist, and we can we get through

816
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: those together. But certainly, to your question, whenever I cannot

817
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: be on the auto Q I'm off.

818
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: You're good at ad libbing, you're good at having fun

819
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: and all of so stuff makes it all the audience

820
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. But what is it that actually really gets

821
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: you excited?

822
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: Is it breaking news?

823
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like I know, I know someone like Kyl

824
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: for example, on the other on the other network, Carl

825
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: actually is an investigative journalists.

826
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: He loves doing this stuff, and you can see him

827
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: get excited.

828
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Sure, he does play the you know, the funny guy

829
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: you know day to day because he's just feeling in

830
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: time and you've got to be like that. And people

831
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: don't want shit going on their laundry when they're watching

832
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: this in the morning. But you can see Carl when

833
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: he sees a juicy investigative story, he sort of a

834
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: new Carl comes out. What is it that turns you

835
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: on about it?

836
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: I'd be the other side of that. I'd be the

837
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: complete opposite end of that, where something crazy is happening

838
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: in the studio, we're completely off, pissed, there's no script

839
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: to recover, the producers are screaming shut it down, and

840
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: it's going completely off track.

841
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: I'd be more.

842
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: That'd be my moment I know what you're saying with Carl,

843
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: and I and plenty of people in our network can

844
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: do that also and love that stuff and very very

845
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: good at that stuff. I'm never going to win a

846
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: Walkley Award for journalism clear as well, but certainly the

847
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: fun stuff, mate, where it's it's it's off track, the

848
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: trains off the track.

849
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: How a we're going to get back.

850
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: On ad libbing and having as much fun, milking each

851
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: moment for what it's worth.

852
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: So soundly you enjoy scrambling as such, Yeah, like you know,

853
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: like the scrambles on and Larry and his brain works

854
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: better than that.

855
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: That's the fun stuff and I and you can't script that, yeah,

856
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: but you can look for opportunities in the script to

857
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: make that happen or to take you down that part.

858
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: When you think about, you know, Larry growing up, I

859
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: assuming names Lawrence, is it, No, it's not. It's Larry's Larry,

860
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: Larry born, Larry.

861
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: Sleepid name keep you remind me, remind mom every time

862
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: I say it.

863
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because whenever I think Larry could thinking of the

864
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: three Stooges. Yeah, thanks mate, because that was around in

865
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: those days. Three stages on telling you Larry Marrin Cooley.

866
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: It was on my favorite shows, by the way, the

867
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: shows you were, or how I grew up. But when

868
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: you think about Larry m today, when you think about

869
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: yourself and you get and you wrote wrote your book

870
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: of course, and you go back to Larry the kid,

871
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: what were the influences on you that actually do you

872
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: think stayed with you that made you the guy who

873
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: liked it when has to scramble on you and you're

874
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: going to survive through that, What do you think it was?

875
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

876
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: Maybe it was watching those early TV shows, you know,

877
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: Blankety Blanks and Don Lane's Show and all those things,

878
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: just watching them. I remember, you remember the bloopers, right,

879
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: you remember the funny things, And maybe maybe that stuck

880
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: with me.

881
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. My dad.

882
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Was the joker of the pack, you know, like he

883
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: was always the funny guy in the household and his

884
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: mates and the speeches that weddings and parties and you know,

885
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: like he was always that funny guy. And I think

886
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: I love that part of him. And he was very

887
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: well loved. Mum Mum of course the same. But dad

888
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: particularly had a huge influence on my life.

889
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Sounds like him from a really good family, great family. Yeah, yeah,

890
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: a very loving family.

891
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: Very I feel very very lucky and so supportive too,

892
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: you know, so very and mum to this day. Dad's

893
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: passed away now, but Mum to this day, well still

894
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: very much a part of my day to day. She's

895
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: like she'll comment on things on the morning show, on

896
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: the Chase, and really, yeah, no, we were lucky. But

897
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: and I look back at that and go, that was lifestyle, right,

898
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: that was bondying. It was bondying. It was outdoors and

899
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: it was picnics every you know, every afternoon in summer,

900
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: and it was going down the beach for swimmers of

901
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: family and you know, so lucky that we grew up

902
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: like that.

903
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: It's a full aussy, a real oussy story.

904
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's a bit like do you probably know

905
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: Bernie Jason Boone when he was a milky bar kid,

906
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: like like proper blonde, hairy, ossy deal from Brontio. I

907
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: think I think he's from Brondie And he was actually

908
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: the milky bar kid on the ads, had that blonde

909
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: hair and blue eyes, surfer like yourself, like you actually

910
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: represent real. I mean I shouldn't say, really, that's not

911
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: probably not fair to say today, But what was a

912
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: quintessential Aussie back in the seventies, grown up? I think so,

913
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what that's a privilege. How many people

914
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: can say that today.

915
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: I had a wonderful up bringing in it was we'd

916
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: sleep on the beach.

917
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: You had a chick our roll for breakfast, cheer go

918
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: role my god.

919
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: We we got a Bait's milk bar, get the pineapple

920
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: juice at the front door. And I feel very privileged.

921
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: We weren't privileged with blue collar as you said, there

922
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: was not a lot of money around. But I feel

923
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: very lucky that that was my life and that's that

924
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: had such a big influence on who I am today.

925
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: And where do you live today?

926
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: We're in Darling Point now, in Darling Point, so we

927
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: moved up the road to Dover Heights when the family came.

928
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: And lost money. We actually, no, Davia Heights wasn't considered

929
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: all that bigger deal then it is now.

930
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: It is now.

931
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: And then we moved to the city and then we've

932
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: sort of dragging my wife back to back to the

933
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 3: east slowly.

934
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: And your wife tell me the story about your wife.

935
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: So Sylvie was a flight attendant and I was going

936
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: down from Sydney to Melbourne to host a show called

937
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: the Steve Visa The Tonight Tonight Live with Steve Visa.

938
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: One of the funniest guys on television.

939
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I was filling in for him every

940
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: now and again. And I was flying down on Quantus

941
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: and there was a huge storm. The Conics flight was canceled.

942
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: So I raced across to Anset, soaking wet, soaking wet.

943
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: I had hair then, soaking, wet, jacket jeans, I was

944
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: just wet. And I got onto the Anset flight, sat

945
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: down and Sylvie came out of the galley just I

946
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: feel like it was in slow motion. I still think

947
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: of it today as like I think she came out

948
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: in slow motion and and I was soaking wet. She

949
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: just came up went you look terrible. I'm like, and

950
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: she she's beautiful. And I remember thinking she's flirting with me.

951
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: You flirting with me? No, I just wanted to tell

952
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: you look terrible. I'm right, Okay, this is good. Here,

953
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: we're on here, that's where we met and the children children.

954
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: So Jaie is thirty one.

955
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: He was in real estate for a long time and

956
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: he's in Asset finance now and having a good go

957
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: at that. And then our daughter twenty six here, she's

958
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: married and she's a graphic designer. She's doing a lot

959
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: of work with us, with the Ben Butler and we're, yeah,

960
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 3: dragging them along.

961
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: It's great. They're all very supportive.

962
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: Did your dad get to see all your kids grow up?

963
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: No?

964
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he got to see Oh no, no,

965
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: what he's fifteen years ago?

966
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: He's passed away and what do he die from? He

967
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: was a very very heavy smoker, no getting around it.

968
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: You want a sugarcoat, don't you.

969
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: But he was a very very heavy smoker all of

970
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: his life, and he was in the end it was

971
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: sort of emphysema and a.

972
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: Whole bunch of related issues.

973
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: But to his credit, he couldn't do much towards the end.

974
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: But he was a great storyteller and a great He

975
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: was a writer, as it turned out, no one knew.

976
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: And he got together with a magazine called lung Net,

977
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: which is a magazine that goes out to people with

978
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: breathing problems and emphysema, and he started to write a

979
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: column called the Lighter Side, which was because he had

980
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: all these great stories about how he go out on

981
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: his little buggy and do wheelies and chase pretty girls

982
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: up and down the beach.

983
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: And when he had them for semer, yeah.

984
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: He put his oxygen thing on and go out with

985
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: his buggy and go and get fish and chips.

986
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: And he still want to live the beach life. He

987
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: still lived Upondai. I said, Dad, right, you should write

988
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: these stories. They're great stories, because I was the journalist.

989
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: This is a great story.

990
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: So he he started to write them and send them

991
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: into this magazine called lung net called The Light Aside

992
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: with David Emda and they print them and they got

993
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: such a huge response to them because you're only reading

994
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: that magazine for the latest research on you know, lung

995
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: conditions and deals on breathing equipment stuff. So all of

996
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: a sudden, now there's this column about funny stuff that

997
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: happens to you. When you got this The Light Aside, yeah, yeah,

998
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: And I thought that was a great legacy from him.

999
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: That was a great legacy from him to me to go,

1000
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: even when you're feeling like that and you are dying,

1001
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: to be able to lighten people's day, to be able

1002
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: to tell nice stories make people smile. I thought that

1003
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: was a really really important message.

1004
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: And this whole conversation, Larry's for me anyway, has been

1005
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: about you telling stories. You've just told like a whole

1006
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: series of mini stories. And given that your dad was

1007
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: a good storyteller, maybe.

1008
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the deal.

1009
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, because because if you grow up watching someone

1010
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: tell stories, you don't even really know there telling stories.

1011
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't articulate it, but it's in you,

1012
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: It's in your DNA, it's in your brain. Because because

1013
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: every time you inview somebody, you're telling a little story

1014
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: or you're getting them to tell a little story on television,

1015
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: and that's that's why people watch it, because we're looking

1016
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: for those little little vignette. There's little little stories about things.

1017
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: And that sort of brings me to the whiskey because

1018
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: there's a story for me anyway, when someone like you

1019
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: or Eye produce a whiskey or a drink like this,

1020
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: there's a story in it. And we won't talk about mine,

1021
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: but what's the story about why you produce it? Ben Butler,

1022
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: So I.

1023
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: Was turning sixty. This is last year.

1024
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: I was turning sixty, and I wanted to I thought,

1025
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: I'm getting old now, so going to make an old

1026
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: man's drink for my friends. So I wanted to make

1027
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: sixty bottles for sixty mates for my sixtieth birthday. And

1028
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: I got together with the guys in Coral and they're

1029
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: amazing distillers, and we made this bottle to my taste profile.

1030
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: I kept flying down back and forth and back and

1031
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: forth and got it to exactly. I didn't want a big, strong,

1032
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: peady whiskey. I'm not even much of a whiskey drinker,

1033
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: to be honest, more of a bourbon guy, so I wanted.

1034
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: But I thought, I need old man's drink now because

1035
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: I'm old, so it's more of it. It was a

1036
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: bit of a fun It was a fun project for

1037
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: my mates made this whisky. It tasted unbelievable down in

1038
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: Coral where they it's a tourist attraction, so they have

1039
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: bus loads of people coming through every weekend to taste

1040
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: all their whiskies. We got it in the bottle and

1041
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: the owner, Dean said, can we put it's fantastic? Can

1042
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 3: we put it on our tasting table for people to

1043
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: see what they think. So, over the course of the

1044
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: next month, hundreds and hundreds of people tasted it. No name,

1045
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: no nothing to do with me like your blind tastings,

1046
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: blind tasting and hundreds of people tasting it because we

1047
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: got bus loads every weekend. Ninety five percent of people

1048
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 3: wanted to buy it. And he said, mate, we've never

1049
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: had that response to.

1050
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: Anything we've done.

1051
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: Can we send it off to San Francisco? Send it

1052
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: to San Francisco to the most important spirits competition.

1053
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: In the world, and we won a gold. Wow.

1054
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: So I've put that on my Instagram and remember it

1055
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: was sixty bottles off for that on Instagram.

1056
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: It's just got boom.

1057
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: The next day, my DMS, bars, restaurants, whiskey experts, everyone

1058
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: wanted to know where, where can we get it? Where

1059
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: all my I got a couple of hundred thousand followers

1060
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: of that, you know, a large.

1061
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Percentage, But where can we get it? Where can we

1062
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: get it? So we went into production.

1063
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: We've since won another gold medal the Asia Spirits Competition

1064
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: and a few weeks ago at the New York Spirits Competition.

1065
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: So we're now three international wild medals.

1066
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: But maybe here to describe this whisky though they tell

1067
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: us what we're looking for here they get so so

1068
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: it's okay, where's the price range for a start.

1069
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: So it's probably pretty similar to what you're da eighty

1070
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: bucks about eighty bucks, and but what I wanted to

1071
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: be market this was so important. I wanted it to

1072
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: be my personality as well. So I wanted it to

1073
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: be approachable, easy, fun. I didn't want it to be

1074
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: a serious whiskey you're having. I don't know what yours

1075
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: is representing, but I did want it to be an

1076
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: old guy late at night in his office, on his own.

1077
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: It's not that it's like you come out of the surf,

1078
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: you're having a barbecue.

1079
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: You can have a whiskey and ginger you have.

1080
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: It's real cocktail forward. This like it's unreal in cocktails.

1081
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: And I'm not shy of that. If you said to

1082
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: the guys at Sullivan's Cove or at Lark, which are

1083
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: the two best whiskies in the world, they would die

1084
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: if you said.

1085
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Put this in a cocktail.

1086
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: But we've come up with some amazing cocktail. So this

1087
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: is a it's a summer coastal proposition.

1088
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: That's you.

1089
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: It's personality, it's fun, it's it's light. It's not it's

1090
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: not peaty and too smoky, not chewing it. It's like

1091
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: it's very light and bright. So I love the flavors

1092
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: in it, so that it was done in bourbon barrels

1093
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 3: and X twenty pork barrels. People are finding creamy almond

1094
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: flavors in there, burnt marshmallow. It's got sort of campfire

1095
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: vibes to it as well. Someone said they taste it.

1096
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 3: They got Allen's banana lollies in there. So I'm loving

1097
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: people having fun with it. And it's it's it's it's

1098
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: a good entry into whiskey drinking.

1099
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: So how important is it?

1100
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: Because like we have this view, but like that might

1101
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: at our business, but for me, whiskey is a conversation piece,

1102
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: like I just think we have we have don't have

1103
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: enough conversations. And you can't sort of rip into a

1104
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: whisky like you can a bed or something like that.

1105
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: So it sort of makes you sit for a bit,

1106
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: yeah and talk absolutely, talk to someone yeah, or a group. No,

1107
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: I agree, and all the stuff have a drink. I agree,

1108
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: And I've changed my view on whiskey. It's not like

1109
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: it sort of has that sort of stodgy old cigar

1110
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: thing in a whiskey room and old sort of dudes

1111
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: standing there with like all stitched up or everything like that.

1112
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: For me, whiskey is more fun and conversations.

1113
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's such a good point. And I'm sitting

1114
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 3: down with my mates who I've sat down with for

1115
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: forty five years for pizza nights with whiskey.

1116
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: And it is different.

1117
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: It's completely different conversations. And we've been saying we've been

1118
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: saying the same ship for fifty years, and now it's different.

1119
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: You're exactly right. It's a very good point.

1120
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: And it has been going like interns of something really good,

1121
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: really good.

1122
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: So we're going The plan next year is to go

1123
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: to an investment round. So I've been bootstrapping it for

1124
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: two years now we've done you know, it's hard to measure,

1125
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: but because of what I do, we're lucky, right, We've

1126
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: got platforms, we've got audiences. So if we were to

1127
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: monetize monetize that, if we were to work out what

1128
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: I've put into that and the exposure that it's got,

1129
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: it's all my celeb mates, all my influencer friends have

1130
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: held it up at various times and we'd like.

1131
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: To thank you.

1132
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: So so it's had you know, millions of dollars of

1133
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: exposure because because of my friends and people who support it.

1134
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: But the response has been also amazing, right, so it's a.

1135
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: Good drop too.

1136
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: It's a great risky So we'll go to and I

1137
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: now need people around me who know what to do

1138
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: next business people because I'm the TV guy, I'm the

1139
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: high school dropout.

1140
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: I've done what I can. I've put forty years of

1141
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: brand I'm pretty good at it. But go on, I'll

1142
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: put forty.

1143
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: Years of brand equity into it. And that's made it's

1144
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: probably one of the noises. It's probably the noisiest whiskey

1145
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: in Australia right now.

1146
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, very noisy because it's got you right platform.

1147
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: And I feel very grateful that I can put all

1148
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: that brand equity and go look at this thing. But

1149
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: I've got people stopping me in the street. Now, where

1150
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: can I get at people? DMM every day. So my

1151
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 3: name is now associated with the ben Buckler and vice versa.

1152
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: So we've given it a really really good headstart. But

1153
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: now I need people who go I know what to

1154
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: do with the business and how to build a business.

1155
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: And it's exciting and there's some really good people around.

1156
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: Seeing to raise some money, raise some money.

1157
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: There's some really good interest from the investment mark because

1158
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 3: people can see that they want noise, right, you know,

1159
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: you know what investor wants and investor wants. How's it

1160
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: going to jump off the shells? How will people know

1161
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: that it exists? And we're miles ahead fortunately, So from

1162
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: an investment perspective, we're looking pretty good. And that will

1163
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: bring in.

1164
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six, twenty twenty six. So you raise some

1165
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: money in twenty twenty six. With money you raise, you're

1166
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: not taking it out, You're putting it in. You're going

1167
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: to actually make a whole lot more, maybe by factory

1168
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: or by a by warehouse or something.

1169
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: We're not sure on that how that fits yet. I

1170
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: think there are a lot of distillery There are a

1171
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 3: lot of distilleries around, right. I don't think I want

1172
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: to be a distiller around unecessarily. I'm enjoying the brand

1173
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: perspective of it.

1174
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying what.

1175
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: It's sure drop though it doesn't matter. You're not making better,

1176
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: but it's your flavor profile.

1177
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: Correct.

1178
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: So and we need another skew. So do you you

1179
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: know the whiskey world wants you to go a bit

1180
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: a bit stronger. Ah, this is a bit of that

1181
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: and we will do that, of course with time, but

1182
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: this needs what needs to happen now is and they're

1183
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 3: around like I've got these great sort of advisory board

1184
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: over business people who are really interested in how much

1185
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: noise this is making, how much traction we're getting with nothing.

1186
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: So it'll be really interesting to see this next phase.

1187
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: How bold you are? Are you in everything?

1188
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: I've got a you downstairs full. I'll go and do

1189
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 3: deliveries now at till seven o'clock tonight. And the reason

1190
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: I do that, and that's of course not scalable, but

1191
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: in this first instantly, have you got it at the beginning?

1192
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: I like to do it because I walk in. I

1193
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: walk into a bottle shop with a case of whiskey him.

1194
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: The guy's like, yeah, it's Larry m to see with

1195
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: the case. I believe in building those bridges and that

1196
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: hand to hand combat, and it's working really.

1197
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: Well for me enjoying that. I love it. Mark.

1198
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: I've been talking about TV for forty years. I've never had

1199
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: a conversation that didn't involve TV. Now I'm talking about whiskey.

1200
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: It's right on the street too, Like it's real street stuff,

1201
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: Like you're hustling on the Street love it.

1202
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: But it's no.

1203
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: Different than Larry Mda who actually turned up with the

1204
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: waist so a chapel hustling to get into, you know,

1205
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: the Christmas Eve Show with Ricky. Like for me anyway,

1206
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: Ricky may like it's the same deal. Like I as

1207
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: a business person myself, I mean, I think that stuff

1208
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: is so exciting, so much fun, and you'll learn a hell.

1209
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: Of a lot, you know.

1210
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: It's funny. We're in the place called Bar Tilda, which

1211
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: is a whiskey bar, and the Sophotel hotel and bit

1212
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: in the city made my office next door. Every once

1213
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: a week I go into that bar. Our whiskeys in there,

1214
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: our premium whiskeys in there, not that one. And I look,

1215
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: there's a cabinet with all the whiskey bottles in there,

1216
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: and mine's on the top shelf because I put it

1217
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: up there before. And now what I do is actually

1218
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: this sounds ridiculous. People say, what the what the fuck's

1219
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: wrong with you?

1220
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1221
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: But I actually go and put my whiskey. When people

1222
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: buy coffee there in the morning because there's a cafe

1223
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: in the morning, I actually reposition they now going to know.

1224
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: But I reposition my whisky at the top, right in

1225
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: the top, right in the middle, and I put all

1226
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: the other bottles on the side on so you can't

1227
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: really see the brand. And I've put mine front on

1228
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: so you can see it completely.

1229
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: And I do it every week.

1230
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: I go and see if if they moved it and

1231
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: I don't, and see how much whiskey has been drunk,

1232
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: to see what whether or not I need to get

1233
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: another bottle in there for them.

1234
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: Interesting and so that.

1235
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: Next time you're there where you moved mine as well,

1236
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: I want to be next to you.

1237
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 2: Are you up there, because we'll be there.

1238
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well I'm going to put Jaws at the back.

1239
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: I say, I'll buy that bottle there. I just get

1240
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 2: out now. But that sort of thing is that's fun. Yeah,

1241
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: I love that hustle I do. I'm really enjoy it. It

1242
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: really gets gets me up in the morning.

1243
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: And and because now with social media right, so much

1244
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: activity on social media, so I'll post something about this

1245
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: on social media about event. We're doing plenty of events,

1246
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: lots of activations on hands on at every level I've

1247
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: been doing. I was out the other day out of

1248
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: Paramatta looking at boxes. We're doing gift boxes for mini

1249
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: bars in hotels.

1250
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: So I'm doing you make you the small bottles.

1251
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got like they've got to put into the minibar.

1252
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: You've got the fifties and the two hundred like Lark

1253
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: did that. Yeah, yea yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: Are using anyone as a model, like any other business

1255
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: as a model.

1256
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: Because I want to change the model. I want to

1257
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: and you should too. I want to change the way

1258
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: people think about whiskey. And it's not two hundred and

1259
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: fifty dollars. Yeah, I'll have a sip. And my dad died,

1260
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: this will when grandpa. Yeah, it's not that much.

1261
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, that's why we've come up with the eighty

1262
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: three dollar bottle because like, like we we found we

1263
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: had we have the expensive one, but like it's sort

1264
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: of to elitist.

1265
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we want we both want to.

1266
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you're, you know, got you know more business

1267
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: than stuff than I do. But you want to be

1268
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 3: where people are. Yeah, And I want to be. I'm

1269
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: that TV guy and people know me there and I

1270
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: want to be accessible to I don't want to be.

1271
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: When we've started to get the medals with that, there

1272
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: was a sense that we can put this bottle up

1273
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: to one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty. I'm like,

1274
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 3: no way, we're going down. Well, I want to be accessible.

1275
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: I want people who can relate to me and have

1276
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: been on my TV journey and been part of my

1277
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: story to be able to go and pick that up

1278
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: without going I'm not going to pay that. I'm going

1279
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 3: to pay one hundred and eighty bucks for it. So

1280
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: you and I want to be the value pool.

1281
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's why our numbers, and that's my people.

1282
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: Now this sounds really trite, but you know, I don't

1283
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: live in that upper rechelan. A lot of people might

1284
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: think I'll do, but I don't. I actually live in

1285
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: that normal person territory. I mean I drive to it

1286
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: like I'm happy in that territory. I feel more comfortable

1287
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: there by the way I have been down that other track,

1288
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: trick cars and all that sort of stuff.

1289
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: But I'm much more comfortable in.

1290
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: Your territory where you are pitching your whiskey.

1291
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: That's my audience.

1292
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: You know, they're the people who will stop me in

1293
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: the street every day and or yell out, come on

1294
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: down across the road.

1295
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: But they but are they your people too? Like apart

1296
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: from your audience, you know your audience. But is that

1297
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: Larry m to two, like that's where you sit? I

1298
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: think so yeah, much more I think so yeah. I've

1299
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: been spending We did a huge activation out at Bankstown

1300
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: Sports Club.

1301
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: That's a big sports club that's great there. How good

1302
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: is it?

1303
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 3: Fantastic? And they did a thing where I was part

1304
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: of a presentation for them. But they've put on the

1305
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 3: whiskey and all the bars and all the restaurants, which

1306
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: is great. But I spent hours and hours out there

1307
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: and talking to people and everyone. Yeah, yeah, but mate,

1308
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 3: I love that's what I do. It's I've never done

1309
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: anything different. So for me to be in a group

1310
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: of people who watch TV and want to talk about

1311
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: TV and joke about yell out, come on down and

1312
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 3: all that, like I made.

1313
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: I love that. It's just on that.

1314
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: Do you ever maybe you can explain to people what

1315
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: it's like being as well known as you are, what

1316
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: it's like and not everyone could deal with it the

1317
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: same way, But how you are always prepared to be

1318
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: friendly towards people. Sometimes I guess you had a little

1319
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: bit thing. Fuck, I just need a little bit of

1320
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: a break from this I really don't feel like get

1321
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: a conversation.

1322
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't want a photo. What is Larry m to

1323
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: do in those situations. I've never said no to a

1324
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: photo ever.

1325
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: But what about if you don't feel like having did

1326
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you day?

1327
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: Say no? What is the feeling.

1328
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: My mind st If I'm out and people want to

1329
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 3: talk to me about it, They're the people who are watching,

1330
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: and that's the audience and the audience of the ratings

1331
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 3: and the ratings of the show.

1332
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: And I've always been grateful for that.

1333
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: And people have always been nice to me too, by

1334
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: the way, and that's because and that's because of what

1335
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: they see on TV is a relatively reasonable.

1336
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: Character benign benign, right, yeah, right, so.

1337
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: Not threatening, not a nasty judge, not a I used

1338
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: to walk through the airport travel a bit with the

1339
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 3: Hey Hate Saturday guys and Red Simons because he was

1340
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: the nasty judge on Hey Hate Saturday. People have nasty

1341
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 3: things to say about him or Darren Hinch, you know,

1342
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 3: nasty things. But I walk through the airport and people

1343
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: just want to talk about the show or something like that.

1344
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: And I've never known any different.

1345
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: I seriously haven't. But I get asked that question a lot.

1346
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: How do you handle that?

1347
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: And there are times sure, four o'clock in the four

1348
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: thirty in the morning at the air for the six

1349
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: o'clock flight. I don't want to do the whole big thing,

1350
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: but I've never said note to anyone.

1351
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: So the last question for you, and because I find

1352
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: this quite interesting one leg I'm a late, late entrant

1353
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: into the broadcasting game, mostly from my podcast. But I saw,

1354
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, Lawsy passed away recently last couple of weeks,

1355
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: which is a sad thing. But do you see Larry

1356
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: MDA's pushing on and as a broadcaster journalist right through

1357
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: to the end.

1358
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting question. Because I'm sixty, I don't

1359
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: know whether this is going to away. I'm sixty one

1360
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: next week. Yeah, it's really interesting and I don't know.

1361
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: And I think if I was to go draw on

1362
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: all my experience in TV, it's not going to be

1363
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: my choice. I know that for sure, because it never

1364
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: is in this business.

1365
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: But if you're good enough, yeah, but if you're good enough,

1366
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: I just don't know.

1367
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 3: There's no I'm the oldest guy in the show in

1368
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: TV now, you know. It used to be Koshi Koshi's

1369
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: gon anounced me, Me and Alf Stewart on Home and

1370
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: Away where I'm the oldest guy.

1371
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: Wow. Really yeah, So, and I don't feel old.

1372
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: I feel great and I love my work, and I

1373
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: think I've got a whole bunch of matre retiring now.

1374
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 3: They're like, cannot wait to get out of this job.

1375
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for forty five years, and you know,

1376
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: the lawyer and the dentist and the greenkeeper cannot wait

1377
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: to finish up.

1378
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: But I mate, I love my I feel that way

1379
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: they do.

1380
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: I love it and I would I honestly struggle to

1381
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: know how I would feel if I wasn't getting up

1382
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: every day and going on TV. I do mean that

1383
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: from the bottom of my heart. That said whiskey is

1384
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: a heap of fun.

1385
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: But it's not. It's not TV, right, It's not when

1386
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: the red light comes on.

1387
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: So, so, what is it about that that you do

1388
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: every single day as sixty and nearly sixty one?

1389
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: What is it that drives you? I mean, what is

1390
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: the thing that I miss it?

1391
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 3: I miss it when I miss it when I'm not

1392
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: doing it. I can't answer the question, but I can

1393
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: tell you I miss it when I'm not doing it.

1394
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: And it's I'm in.

1395
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: Love with it.

1396
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: I love I love being in the TV studio, I

1397
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: love doing the show. I love working with Kylie, I

1398
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: love doing the chase. Like they're all great challenges. I

1399
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: feel like I feel very comfortable doing them, and it

1400
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: still excites me. Today Morning show. It's different people every

1401
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: day all day, so I should know it's on the

1402
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: show tomorrow, but I mean I don't. But it'll be exciting,

1403
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, And there'll be one break, there'll be an

1404
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 3: interview with someone and then they're gone and then the

1405
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: next person and then it's fun.

1406
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: It's super fun.

1407
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: Just on it.

1408
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: Because Hadley used to do.

1409
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 1: When Hadley come in, he explained how his nine am

1410
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: show started, but he would get in at four thirty am.

1411
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: What time do you have to get.

1412
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't do that, and I think I think

1413
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: that probably upsets not only my co host but the producers.

1414
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: But I need to be in there at like twenty

1415
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: past eight because we're on Sunrise at eight thirty YEP

1416
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: for promo here and makeups pretty quick now here particularly,

1417
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: and then I.

1418
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: Don't have to be there that early at all.

1419
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Is that because you're so experienced maybe whatever they're throw

1420
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: in front of you pretty much con roll.

1421
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think nothing really rattles, and I have to

1422
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: talk with Kylie as well. Between us, there's nothing that

1423
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: we can't handle. And that we're eighteen years now sitting

1424
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: next to each other. Wow, eighteen years number one for

1425
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: eighteen years.

1426
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: Not many other shows.

1427
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: I don't think any other shows can say that we've

1428
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: won every ratings block since we started eighteen years ago.

1429
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1430
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: And I need you a congratulator. And you're on your

1431
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: Logi Award last year?

1432
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: It was last year?

1433
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: Was it?

1434
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

1435
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: Because I remember texting you were saying well done.

1436
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: How was that? That was extreme? That was unbelievable for me.

1437
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: And I never thought, because I've been in the business

1438
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: for so long, I never thought I was at peace

1439
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: with the fact that I'm not a Logi's guy.

1440
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: You.

1441
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I was like, I'd given up on that concept.

1442
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: So for that to come around and then to win

1443
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: the gold and the silver, the silver with Burt Newton's

1444
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: name on it and Bert was such a hero online.

1445
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: But it's very very special. But how funny is this?

1446
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: Maybe this is my business coming out now? Like as

1447
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: soon as I was nominated for the Gold Logi because

1448
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: I'm at that age where I'm not going to get

1449
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: another show from it. I'm not going to get more

1450
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: money from it. So what does the gold LOGI mean

1451
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: great branding for the whiskey.

1452
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1453
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 3: I remember thinking when I got nominated, I thought, this

1454
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: is gonna be a great campaign for the whiskey. And

1455
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: it was because every radio show I went on for

1456
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: the logis campaign, because I was posting a lot about that,

1457
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: everyone was talking about the whiskey. So sixty radio stations

1458
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: around the Australia, I was doing interviews, but I was

1459
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: talking about the whiskey.

1460
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: So it actually worked huge favors for this.

1461
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: So it as seems to me though, I mean, I'm

1462
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: going to fish off with this, Larry, But it seems

1463
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: to me though I'm still talking just a more more

1464
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: mature version, but I'm still talking to young Larry when

1465
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: he's nineteen and twenty. Like you, while you probably didn't

1466
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: recognize yourself as being a hustler, hustling and I don't

1467
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: mean in a bad way, but you are still hustling.

1468
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: And that's for me that something like that gives me energy.

1469
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Still hustling is important. Yeah, every opportunity to get you're

1470
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: going to sell this, yes, without without being sort of

1471
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: sinister about it. So every opportunity, I know, I get

1472
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: a buzz out of talking about my stuff all the time.

1473
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: And it's not big doals or whatever. But it's just

1474
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: the fun of the hustle.

1475
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: And most people don't understand how important that is to

1476
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: be successful of the hustle as opposed to getting really

1477
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: serious about it. It's the fun of the hustle and

1478
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: you're still doing what you're doing forty years ago.

1479
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, do you ever think that about yourself?

1480
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm surprised as all my mate starts talk about retirement.

1481
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm the guy that go I don't want I don't

1482
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: want to not do this.

1483
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want it.

1484
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to be nice to travel Sylvan I will

1485
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: go and do some beautiful trips in the coming years,

1486
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: but I don't want to not go and do TV

1487
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: every day. I mean, that will happen, obviously, but I'm

1488
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: enjoying putting a lot of energy into this thing now.

1489
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: And I know next year, with investment and all those

1490
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 3: other new opportunities in the advisory board, I know it's

1491
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: going to blow up times one hundred. So next year

1492
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: is even going to be more exciting.

1493
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: Well, mate, thanks for an awesome interview.

1494
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy that ben Buckler's one of my

1495
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: favorite places because I have great memories. I mean, I

1496
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: didn't grow up there, but I would move there when

1497
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, and I have great memories of my

1498
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: kids in the North Wonder Surf Club at Ben Butler

1499
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: being told to go out the you know where the

1500
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: rip is there on the side of the bill. That

1501
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: was a trick way to get out to the boys

1502
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: and back and an old surflod guy, I taught my

1503
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: kids how to do that, and Ben Buckler has great

1504
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: memories for me. I got married at the Orchids at

1505
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: Ben Buckler, and it's fantastic that I got to have

1506
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: this chat to you. You and I mean, by the way,

1507
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: Larry and I have been talking about this whiskey for

1508
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: about like at least a year or so and threatening

1509
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: to get back on it, get him on the show

1510
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: and talk about it.

1511
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: So here he is in the flesh.

1512
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: He's a legend, a great TV guy and from my

1513
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: point of view, a great Aussie icon.

1514
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, Larry, Im done, Thanks Jee, thank you