Speaker 1: Alright.
Speaker 2: On this week's episode, we have a black man and
Speaker 2: I'm telling you and I say black men, I mean
Speaker 2: constable black men.
Speaker 3: I know, damn heavy.
Speaker 2: Can we go with the police somebody called triple zero
Speaker 2: because mister blackman jar Wenn more like jar Winn. Now,
Speaker 2: do we're gonna get arrested? Or maybe that's what we want? No, Okay,
Speaker 2: we need to just delete all that.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, by welcome to First things First,
Speaker 3: my name is Brooklyn. My pronouns are she and her.
Speaker 2: I'm Maddie Miles. My pronouns are he and him. And
Speaker 2: before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the custodians
Speaker 2: of the land on which we record and for me
Speaker 2: today that's the Gaddigel people of the.
Speaker 3: Urination and for me it's a roundering people of the
Speaker 3: cooler nation.
Speaker 1: Let's get in, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Oh, we are super excited because today we have a
Speaker 2: very special guest and we're kicking things off with Police
Speaker 2: Constable Jarwin Blackman from the Queensland Police Service. He's a
Speaker 2: part of the new powerful observational documentary series Our Law
Speaker 2: on NI TV. Please welcome Jarwin. Hey, guys, well, I
Speaker 2: feel like you know, we're super grateful to be able
Speaker 2: to speak with you and have you on first things first.
Speaker 2: As we know, the relationship between black fathers and the
Speaker 2: police can be tricky at times, but this observational documentary
Speaker 2: series allows people alongside Aboriginal police officers to go to
Speaker 2: the front line and see these relationships and see what
Speaker 2: happens and unfolds as you are, you know, doing your
Speaker 2: job as a black fellow police officer in communities. And yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for being on first things first.
Speaker 3: Before I guess we sort of more jump into this conversation,
Speaker 3: I just wanted to sort of offer you the Mike
Speaker 3: Jarwin and sort of introduce yourself before we get started. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I didn't actually ask who your mob is before.
Speaker 4: So on my mother's side, so her father, my grandfather,
Speaker 4: he's Gora and Gorang, which is from the Bunderberg area
Speaker 4: there in the Wide Bay Bernard area. My name like,
Speaker 4: so my mum's mum, she's actually Selina. So her family
Speaker 4: they were brought over from Nahai to kanakas they were
Speaker 4: brought over to Kutchurul Lucine a long time ago. And
Speaker 4: on my father's side, his mob's Walker Walker so that's
Speaker 4: from also in the kind of White Bay region, but
Speaker 4: more so South Burnette, Sherburg, Mergan that area one die.
Speaker 3: Yeah, deadly, No, I love that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a Camillary man, so my family from Tamworth,
Speaker 2: you know, north west New South Wales.
Speaker 1: Firstly, I would love to know what made you become
Speaker 1: a police officer.
Speaker 4: Look, I really just wanted to get out in the community.
Speaker 4: Before joining the police. I was working in the federal
Speaker 4: government and you know, I was just working inside a lot.
Speaker 4: I never got really to get out and you know,
Speaker 4: be helping people out in the community. So that's kind
Speaker 4: of what drew me towards that. And I also met
Speaker 4: another police officer and he was a Murray follower up
Speaker 4: in Rockampton and you know, he saw me in the
Speaker 4: PC ice in the gym one time and he come
Speaker 4: over and had a yearn with me. And then I
Speaker 4: think I saw him working out at a pub by night,
Speaker 4: and yeah, we just got talking and yeah, he kind
Speaker 4: of said mentioned that, you know, I could should consider
Speaker 4: joining the police, and that's how I got here.
Speaker 2: I want to ask this series our law It's it's
Speaker 2: in its second series now, is that right, correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the second series.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, did you watch the first series?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I seen, I've seen some of the episodes over
Speaker 4: in Western Australia and I think, you know, the guys,
Speaker 4: they did a really good job. So when I was
Speaker 4: presented with the opportunity to do series two, I jumped
Speaker 4: at it. And that's how I got here.
Speaker 2: Now our law obviously, it's it explores the relationship between
Speaker 2: police and First Nations people. What were some of your
Speaker 2: favorite moments of shooting you know or being a part
Speaker 2: of the series.
Speaker 4: I think one of my favorite parts is just being
Speaker 4: able to like really share an insight, you know, into
Speaker 4: my role as a police officer, you know, what what
Speaker 4: I do in the community, how I'm received by the community,
Speaker 4: you know, especially being a black Falla and showing how
Speaker 4: you know, mob received me because you know, as you know,
Speaker 4: there the relations between you know, MO and police in
Speaker 4: the past haven't been the best. So yeah, it kind
Speaker 4: of gives me an opportunity to showcase why I do
Speaker 4: what I do.
Speaker 3: I guess any sort of frontline worker there's always going
Speaker 3: to come up with some complexities and some moments. I mean,
Speaker 3: I watched a bit of the wa one I haven't
Speaker 3: obviously seen season two yet, but I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 3: It's only just come out, right.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on Thursday eight thirty, so they did a double episode,
Speaker 4: and they'll do a double episode every Thursday throughout this.
Speaker 3: Month and on demand.
Speaker 4: Yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Mattie and I talk about our experiences
Speaker 3: with and our relationship with the police within our own families,
Speaker 3: But I mean I want to really kind of talk
Speaker 3: about the series a little bit more. And I guess
Speaker 3: going into it, what did you think would come from it?
Speaker 3: Not in a TV aspect, but I guess what did
Speaker 3: you want to highlight throughout the series?
Speaker 4: With the opportunity, I saw it as a way to
Speaker 4: kind of show, you know, the positive side of what
Speaker 4: being you know, Murray and Murray Copper. What that can show,
Speaker 4: like how I can repair the relationship between you know,
Speaker 4: mob and the police. We're in a position to you know,
Speaker 4: influence you know more in the community because we have
Speaker 4: that same understanding of our heritage. You know, we've experienced
Speaker 4: the same things. You know, we just have an understanding
Speaker 4: of culture, you know, even growing up. You know, I
Speaker 4: understand where people's frustrations with the police are. You know,
Speaker 4: I've experienced prejudice and racism myself throughout my life, so
Speaker 4: you know, we have that connection.
Speaker 3: You know, what were your experiences I guess growing up
Speaker 3: with your relationship with the police.
Speaker 4: I never really had too many issues myself, but you know,
Speaker 4: we'd get stopped in the street as young follows because
Speaker 4: me and my friends used to skate and we'd just
Speaker 4: skate around town and that, and you know, we'd go
Speaker 4: to schools and ride our skateboards through there, and naturally
Speaker 4: the police see these young kids and so they stop
Speaker 4: you and they get your details and stuff. But you know,
Speaker 4: and you're kind of like, oh, we've done nothing wrong.
Speaker 4: But being in the job, you understand why why they
Speaker 4: do those things, just to kind of see who's out
Speaker 4: in the area in case something happens, you know, be
Speaker 4: able to help out and things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was working with child protection Department of
Speaker 3: Child Protection, my experiences were very different from being one
Speaker 3: side of it, and you know, having that sort of
Speaker 3: scared slash fear of child protection and then working in it,
Speaker 3: I kind of knew and had that feeling of it,
Speaker 3: and so I sort of changed my perception and it
Speaker 3: also changed how I work and how I guess I
Speaker 3: wanted to have more of an impact within those institutions
Speaker 3: really and in those departments. Is that kind of how
Speaker 3: you feel with being and going into being a police officer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so since you know, I became a police officer,
Speaker 4: you definitely understand like how things operate from outside because
Speaker 4: there's the community side and they see the police talking
Speaker 4: to them. But then from a policing perspective, you know,
Speaker 4: we have reasons why we come out and speak to
Speaker 4: certain people about certain things. It's just it's not always
Speaker 4: about someone doing something wrong or yeah, you know we're
Speaker 4: trying to find out information. Sometimes we just like to
Speaker 4: come out just to have a chat and you know,
Speaker 4: show our presence in a positive way too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, obviously there's been a tough relationship between First
Speaker 2: Nations people and police. There's historical context to this. There's
Speaker 2: you know, many years of injustices, not just from police
Speaker 2: but from the justice system itself. What do you think
Speaker 2: is the overall perception or what do you find that's
Speaker 2: in the community, is the overall perception of police when
Speaker 2: it comes to First Nation's mob.
Speaker 4: Look, so being a black file, I can definitely understand
Speaker 4: mob's frustration with police. And you know that's going right
Speaker 4: back to colonization and obviously the role that police played,
Speaker 4: you know, removing mob from their country, taking into settlements
Speaker 4: and the things that led to loss of identity, loss
Speaker 4: connection with country and things like that. But you know,
Speaker 4: at the same time, things you know change, and I'm
Speaker 4: very progressive and I believe that, you know, the police
Speaker 4: service need, you know, First Nations police officers to put
Speaker 4: their hand up and represent our people in the service
Speaker 4: and kind of and you know, any broken connections that
Speaker 4: have happened in the past and you know, moving into
Speaker 4: the future, we just have to kind of you know,
Speaker 4: like I said, we have that understanding of culture, so
Speaker 4: we can really benefit by you know, engaging with mob
Speaker 4: through that. And that's kind of the the benefit of
Speaker 4: being a First Nations officer.
Speaker 2: When you were going through the academy. Is there a
Speaker 2: much cultural awareness that is given to officers when they're
Speaker 2: learning about the relationship the existing relationship between the system,
Speaker 2: police officers and the community.
Speaker 4: In the academy, No, to be honest, there, you know,
Speaker 4: it's more so focused on your training, your face training
Speaker 4: and things like that. So you know, in my in
Speaker 4: my own opinion. I honestly believe that there could be
Speaker 4: some kind of education in that department, like well that's
Speaker 4: the you know, the porter training, so that's where it
Speaker 4: could all be started. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's just like, you know, there's obviously a
Speaker 3: growing knowledge and schools, you know, in reading language and history,
Speaker 3: but previously to that, there has been no knowledge of
Speaker 3: you know, when you're studying at school, you're doing First Fleet,
Speaker 3: and the first Fleet just talks to how Captain Cook
Speaker 3: came here and you know, didn't really talk about the
Speaker 3: truth telling. I think there, you know, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I feel like there could be a really great opportunity
Speaker 3: for a truth telling in teaching our you know, future
Speaker 3: police officers, whether they are Indigenous or First Nations or
Speaker 3: whether they're non indigenous, like, they should be taught the
Speaker 3: same education around the truth telling of the history in
Speaker 3: order to I guess repair I mean this relationship that
Speaker 3: we already see as such a conflict in any way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's so important too because you know,
Speaker 4: where the police we serve the community, and that's just
Speaker 4: that's the community all over Queensland, you know, and we've
Speaker 4: got a lot of remote communities up there in North Queensland,
Speaker 4: in the far North, in the Cape and that. So
Speaker 4: you know a lot of young officers that they get
Speaker 4: sent up there. So you know, if they've never really
Speaker 4: kind of been exposed to mob before, they might be
Speaker 4: living in you know areas down here in the southeast,
Speaker 4: Well they're going to get a you know, it's going
Speaker 4: to be a big eye opener when they get up
Speaker 4: there in the communities. So I guess having that kind
Speaker 4: of education before going up there it would be really beneficial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I find that, like over the years, my relationship,
Speaker 2: I suppose my perception of the.
Speaker 1: Police have changed.
Speaker 2: I believe that when I was a younger kid, I saw,
Speaker 2: you know, frontline workers, especially police officers as you know,
Speaker 2: the saviors in my life who would come to rescue
Speaker 2: you know, my family in domestic violence situations. And that
Speaker 2: was because I had a mum who had you know,
Speaker 2: terrible relationships with men who would abuse her. And back
Speaker 2: then when I was a kid, the police seemed to
Speaker 2: be my safe place. You know. It was the people
Speaker 2: who I would want to call to stop something happening
Speaker 2: at home that was like really horrific. As I became
Speaker 2: older and I understood the injustices of the system, but
Speaker 2: also the tricky relationship between police and First Nations community.
Speaker 2: I did change my perception of how I felt about
Speaker 2: police and policing, and I think that comes down to
Speaker 2: the fact that I saw a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: racial profiling, and I saw a lot of injustices, and
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of over incarceration of our people.
Speaker 2: Do you think that your job as a police officer
Speaker 2: one of your main aims is to sort of break
Speaker 2: that cycle of perception. Yeah, well, not even just perception,
Speaker 2: you know, like having you know, us so overrepresented on
Speaker 2: the wrong side of the law. I suppose you're on
Speaker 2: the right side of the law. Is that like one
Speaker 2: of your aims?
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely, you know, Like how do I say so,
Speaker 4: I get excited when I when I'm talking to more
Speaker 4: about when I'm at work and there on the job,
Speaker 4: you know, because there's an opportunity for me because you know,
Speaker 4: they see me and they obviously know straightaway that I'm
Speaker 4: a murray. Yeah, and they you know, they I can
Speaker 4: tell they are kind of thinking, oh, let's go with him,
Speaker 4: like some kind of trust me out. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've had I've had positive kind of positive bit and
Speaker 4: negative bit of both. But you know, I look forward
Speaker 4: to kind of making an impression on there and then
Speaker 4: and just you know, I talk to them just you know,
Speaker 4: you know how we talk marra ways. I just you know,
Speaker 4: and I kind of you know, make them feel a
Speaker 4: bit more like, a bit more safe kind of so
Speaker 4: we have I can have a better influence on them.
Speaker 4: It works really well. And you know, I've had a
Speaker 4: few interactions before where my offsiders haven't had as you know,
Speaker 4: they haven't had as much luck trying to influence basically
Speaker 4: I suppose people that we've been working with, and just
Speaker 4: just the fact that you know, I'm an averageal police officer.
Speaker 4: It's gone in my favor and I and when I
Speaker 4: walk away from those jobs, you know, I get I'm
Speaker 4: excited that I was able to have that connection with
Speaker 4: them and you know, influence them just you know, because
Speaker 4: they felt comfortable talking to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it sounds to me like you come from
Speaker 3: a place of rather than I guess, you know, enforcement,
Speaker 3: you come from a place of compassion rather than I
Speaker 3: think from what we know, when people put on that uniform,
Speaker 3: there is a sense of authority and there's a sense
Speaker 3: of power. How do you influence like your other peers
Speaker 3: within your you know, police force, that's what you call it.
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure, like you're.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're a police service here in credit service.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to do the same, like to lead with rather
Speaker 3: than to lead with authority and power, rather to lead
Speaker 3: with compassion and care for for anyone really, not just
Speaker 3: First Nations people, but in general.
Speaker 4: No, of course, So you know, look, being one hundred
Speaker 4: percent honesty, like my workmates, so they're just amazing people.
Speaker 4: There's not I can honestly say, there's not anyone I
Speaker 4: work with that don't have the same you know, amount
Speaker 4: of compassion for people that I do as well. Like,
Speaker 4: they're just amazing. So there hasn't really been a time
Speaker 4: where I've actually kind of had to pull anyone up
Speaker 4: or kind of you know, tell hey, look, you know,
Speaker 4: I think we should it might have been more appropriate
Speaker 4: to do things this way just talking to people because yeah,
Speaker 4: like I said, everyone's pretty good. Yeah, So I haven't
Speaker 4: really had any experience yet having to pull up into
Speaker 4: my colleagues because they're just amazing people to be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, black fellows have an issue in trusting an institution
Speaker 2: that always hasn't I suppose been on their side or
Speaker 2: felt like they've been able to trust. What do you
Speaker 2: think are some of the things that could get us
Speaker 2: more towards that line of reconnecting with an institution that
Speaker 2: has such a tarnished relationship with us.
Speaker 4: Look, I guess when I something I can think of
Speaker 4: in repairing that, you know, that that trust that's been broken.
Speaker 4: I suppose just more things like from a community policing perspective,
Speaker 4: just kind of you know, working with the community, you know,
Speaker 4: not like knowing who the local elders are, like, you know,
Speaker 4: they have a big influence on First Nations youth. So
Speaker 4: I think, you know, just just taking the time to
Speaker 4: get to know, you know, who the respected elders are
Speaker 4: in the community, so you know you can kind of
Speaker 4: when you see those young ones or even not young ones,
Speaker 4: but like anyone really because you know us my will
Speaker 4: respect elders. So just knowing that and kind of having
Speaker 4: I guess basically just being able to engage with them,
Speaker 4: but also engage with the young people to kind of
Speaker 4: have influence to to get results.
Speaker 2: I suppose obviously the PC of y C had a
Speaker 2: major impact on young people. I hadn't edge impact on me.
Speaker 2: I used to go to the piece of y after school,
Speaker 2: play school, talk to police officers, play some sport, go
Speaker 2: home at five six, have a feed, watch some TV
Speaker 2: and go to bed. You know, like that was my
Speaker 2: after school or even on the weekend. You'd spend hours
Speaker 2: on a Saturday morning down at the PC y C.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 1: Little a safe place, you know. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: safe place.
Speaker 2: It was somewhere where there was you know, a relationship,
Speaker 2: a really strong relationship between the police and the young people.
Speaker 2: Is the PC I see a focus of the police
Speaker 2: force these days. And if not, did you see that
Speaker 2: as being something that could come back?
Speaker 4: No, look, definitely. You know we're actually I am on
Speaker 4: the Sunshine Coast, so you know, I grew up out
Speaker 4: in Naanmbor there, which is on the Sunshine Coast and
Speaker 4: the Hintland and that's just where the Sunshine Coast PC
Speaker 4: WISY is and I live very close to that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And when I was a young fella, you know, I
Speaker 4: used to go to Blue Lights, like Brook said, But
Speaker 4: then they had a lot of like programs like and
Speaker 4: the Sergeant there. You know, we had this thing like
Speaker 4: it was called want to be Deadly it was a
Speaker 4: touch Carnival and every year we'd have that and bring
Speaker 4: together the community, place some touch footy and you know
Speaker 4: other neighboring communities that you have a lot of mod
Speaker 4: come out in play. So you know, that's just an
Speaker 4: example of you know, a program that the pc ys
Speaker 4: provided and it kind of got to bring the community together.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the pc has got a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: good things for youth. That we got a boxing gym
Speaker 4: at our one there. I did a bit of boxing
Speaker 4: there actually, so that was good. And then just like
Speaker 4: you know a lot of other programs. Well in Queensland
Speaker 4: here we got a program called Project Boo Yard. So
Speaker 4: it's like a sixteen week program for youth. It's got
Speaker 4: they get police mentored, they do things like leadership skills,
Speaker 4: decision making, resilience training and at the end of that
Speaker 4: sixteen week course, you know, they have like a little
Speaker 4: graduation and it's just amazing and it gives these yeah,
Speaker 4: it gives those young fellows like a real sense of achievement,
Speaker 4: you know, so and it really helps with that transition
Speaker 4: from them as young adults, so fourteen to seventeen into men.
Speaker 4: So it's just a good example of what the PC
Speaker 4: why so you can kind.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, I mean, Maddie and I have obviously really
Speaker 3: positive memories of the P Yeah, And it was such
Speaker 3: a full circle moment when I started working in youth
Speaker 3: work and was back at my sort of local pcys
Speaker 3: running programs, and the ones that you talk are very similar,
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess the you know, I was a kid,
Speaker 3: so I never really took notice of the relationship between
Speaker 3: police officers and the center itself. I mean, they were
Speaker 3: just there. And then as I sort of got older too,
Speaker 3: more realize, and then, you know, I've been in sort
Speaker 3: of compromising positions within my own family experiences where police
Speaker 3: have had to step in. It never really tarnished my
Speaker 3: view of police officers because I feel like they were
Speaker 3: acting as an intervention really and a responsive thing. But
Speaker 3: then as I got older and I started getting more
Speaker 3: educated about the institutions and obviously learning and sort of
Speaker 3: seeing things on the news and seeing things, you know,
Speaker 3: within other families and other people's experience, like my family
Speaker 3: obviously been racially profiled as well, more from security guards
Speaker 3: rather than police officers, but there have been some very
Speaker 3: unusual situations now.
Speaker 1: Them security guards want to be brown people.
Speaker 3: Too, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like we're the same, same people.
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to get at is like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: see the positive relationships in these centers like grassroots programs,
Speaker 3: Like you know, you can see it. But I think also,
Speaker 3: you know, this series Our Law also shines a light
Speaker 3: on a bigger scale, I think, you know, and having
Speaker 3: more positive role models like yourself, showing like you are
Speaker 3: in a position to sort of like show people that
Speaker 3: you want to repair that relationship.
Speaker 2: I guess I suppose it's a way where you can
Speaker 2: show a different, different light to the job that you do.
Speaker 2: And I want to know, like, what is it that
Speaker 2: you want the audience to get out of it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I suppose really just you know, from a policing perspective
Speaker 4: that you know, you know, we really do care as police,
Speaker 4: and our job's not just there to arrest, like arrest
Speaker 4: and charge people. It's so much more than that. That
Speaker 4: obviously is an aspect of policing, but you know, we're
Speaker 4: we have such like an important role to play in
Speaker 4: the community, just like you know, being out there. A
Speaker 4: lot of the jobs we do, like it might just
Speaker 4: be talking to people and having a conversation. You know,
Speaker 4: we don't just wear one hat. We're not just police officers,
Speaker 4: you know, we play the role of many different kind
Speaker 4: of you know, occupations, you know. So, yeah, there's so
Speaker 4: much more to it, and you know you see that
Speaker 4: in the series. You know, there's there's a whole range
Speaker 4: of things we deal with a lot on a daily basis.
Speaker 4: Domestic violence, mental health, you know, people in christ Is, homeless,
Speaker 4: things like that. So yeah, you know it's just a
Speaker 4: good opportunity for myself to showcase and yet that's reflected
Speaker 4: in the series, So it's really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Does being a police officer and being someone who's like,
Speaker 2: you know, on the other end of the Triple Low Corp.
Speaker 2: Does it ever make you feel like a superhero.
Speaker 4: All the time?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, it's definitely rewarding when you can walk away
Speaker 4: from something and you've made a change and you just
Speaker 4: know that that someone's life is going to be for
Speaker 4: the better now because you were the person that went
Speaker 4: there and you know you had that impact on their life.
Speaker 4: So that is my, I guess superhero moment. Yeah, as
Speaker 4: far as policing goes.
Speaker 2: I love that my I had a partner who was paramedic,
Speaker 2: and I'm someone who would you know, like, I think
Speaker 2: that being able to help people, especially the people who
Speaker 2: are in vulnerable situations, is extremely important in life and
Speaker 2: no matter what occupation we do. But hearing the stories
Speaker 2: and being able to, you know, know that when you
Speaker 2: come home at night and you walk through your door,
Speaker 2: you're knowing that you've helped someone. It might you know,
Speaker 2: be a significant moment in their life where you've saved them.
Speaker 2: Is like something that I think all frontline workers. I
Speaker 2: really admire about frontline workers. So yeah, that's a pretty
Speaker 2: special thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not frontline, but I do feel like a bit
Speaker 3: of a superhero when I'm working with the kid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's deadly, you must still. Yeah, I mean I can
Speaker 3: imagine all the kids as well, like you know, these
Speaker 3: centers and like see you rock up being like.
Speaker 4: Johan, Oh they love that car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the women will be like, look at this
Speaker 2: lovely cop.
Speaker 3: Speaking from his own experience.
Speaker 1: These women nothing like a man in uniform.
Speaker 3: He's up over there, this black man. Look.
Speaker 2: We know, we want to thank you so much for
Speaker 2: coming on. First things first, I mean, we're I'm super
Speaker 2: grateful for the work that you do. We know it's
Speaker 2: not easy because of that, you know, existing historical relation
Speaker 2: between yeah, between mob and and police. But thanks for
Speaker 2: all the work you do and I'm sure that you
Speaker 2: feel that reward when you, yeah, when you are in
Speaker 2: community with people as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Thanks, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Did you have anything that you wanted to say? I know, sorry,
Speaker 3: we kind of look.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just like to add it. You know,
Speaker 4: if there's any more about there that are thinking of
Speaker 4: joining the police, like you know, definitely definitely give it
Speaker 4: a go. You know, you know, if you think you
Speaker 4: have what it takes and it's something you might have
Speaker 4: wanted to do, like, don't be scared, you know, just
Speaker 4: just to throw your hat in because you know, we
Speaker 4: need more about there on the front line, you know,
Speaker 4: serve in the community and like I said, because we
Speaker 4: have an understanding of culture and things like that, so
Speaker 4: you know, you'll be in a position to have that
Speaker 4: influence on mob. So definitely give it a go.
Speaker 3: Can I ask a personal question in terms of the training?
Speaker 1: This is very interesting. Okay, I'm glad you said. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you said in terms of the training, then.
Speaker 2: I think I am no, you said, I want to
Speaker 2: ask your personal question, and I was like, where's this going.
Speaker 3: No, I can only imagine, right, because I nearly joined
Speaker 3: the Navy, if I'm being honest. So when I was
Speaker 3: coming out of high school, I high achiever over here kidding,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I can either go to university
Speaker 3: or I can go join the defense force. And look
Speaker 3: the size of me. I'm five foot two, like, I'm
Speaker 3: not very big, and I do think I did consider
Speaker 3: the police because I was like, oh, well, I want
Speaker 3: to work with youth and I want to work, you
Speaker 3: know with making generational change, and how else would I
Speaker 3: do that? Shut the fuck up, Maddie.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm keeping it together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is the what? Okaid? Can you talk about
Speaker 3: what is needed from a training perspective, because I can
Speaker 3: only imagine it's a matter of physical and psychological.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, look from the training side of things, I
Speaker 4: mean here in Queensland, you just yeah, finish your twelve
Speaker 4: you know, better life experience and yeah, just you know,
Speaker 4: there obviously is the physical and psychological aspect in a
Speaker 4: medical side of things as well, but you know, there's
Speaker 4: nothing that's certainly not unachievable, you know, for like, if
Speaker 4: you don't have any serious health complications or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Like other than that, there's it's certainly achievable for anyone,
Speaker 4: provided that, you know, there's no other issues with other things.
Speaker 3: So so is there no heart restrictions?
Speaker 1: They might I think it might be five two?
Speaker 3: Did you say, okay one, I'm fine. You fifty six
Speaker 3: centimeters so I'm five one.
Speaker 1: You know we'll get over offence, but should be deadly.
Speaker 1: You'd be deadly.
Speaker 2: A part of the mounted group on the horse.
Speaker 3: Past, is that the gear that you have to put
Speaker 3: on itself weighs about ten kilos?
Speaker 1: They say, yeah, yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, I couldn't imagine I've got to
Speaker 3: like carry boobs around like, let alone ten kilos.
Speaker 1: I work with.
Speaker 4: I won't with the girl. She's she's probably about your
Speaker 4: height and you know she gets it done. So I'm
Speaker 4: sure you could.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I can see your guns there.
Speaker 1: You played football, You're right, I'm good. I'm coming criminals,
Speaker 1: no time.
Speaker 3: Ru Big girls a big girls like tall Mauldy South
Speaker 3: you know Ireland girls like will run it straighter then
Speaker 3: I don't care what anyways, Yeah, just a bit of
Speaker 3: lat Chat to sort of break it up because we
Speaker 3: got real serious there for a second. Yeah. Anyways, thank
Speaker 3: you so much.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know something?
Speaker 2: Just one last thing is today when I went out
Speaker 2: and see my mum and my sister, my sister said
Speaker 2: to me, didn't you want to be a police officer?
Speaker 2: And she reminded me that when I was a young kid,
Speaker 2: for like a good probably five or six years, I
Speaker 2: would say that I wanted to be a cop, like
Speaker 2: it was my dream job for so long. So so
Speaker 2: it shifted and I'm obviously not one, But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think there's something about that occupation that as a kid
Speaker 2: you sort of have a fleeting moment with and I
Speaker 2: think most people sort of have that little moment of oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to be a police officer one day, you know.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I think people are attracted to it wanting
Speaker 4: to help people. You know, they see the lives and
Speaker 4: the sirens and the ambulance and the paramedics and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's all very appealing to young children. So I don't
Speaker 4: blame you, Maddie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about your acting career, Jawen, Now that you've
Speaker 3: been on TV, like, are you considering you know, going
Speaker 3: into more TV? Sort of from.
Speaker 1: TV presenting, you'll take my job.
Speaker 4: Although I'm still working. I haven't had any other offers yet,
Speaker 4: so I'm still holding out for that and maybe I'll
Speaker 4: get an earlier retirement from the police, but we'll see
Speaker 4: how we go.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm really excited to watch season two of Our Law.
Speaker 3: The season is already out, came out on May ninth.
Speaker 3: And where can we watch it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely so It's on n I, t B, SBS Thursdays
Speaker 4: eight thirty, but you can watch it anytime on SBS
Speaker 4: on demand for free. You just sign up go on
Speaker 4: their Series two is the one that's just come out obviously,
Speaker 4: so yeah, go in there and you can watch any
Speaker 4: episode at any time, So have a watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 1: Thank you today.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me you guys, it's been good.
Speaker 3: Okay, Joao and black Man jeez, okay, damn boy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like some weird.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh on that note, Okay, that's what we have time
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