1 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Welcome down old three sixty league from every angle, joining 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: me again the great good and Tallers. So let's bring 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: the journals in, Paul Crawley and Dave Ricky, I we 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: got a huge show coming up, Jake Chaboievich and kind 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: of what kind of tracy sorry and joining us. Let's 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: take a look at their sports Bet team selections for 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: this week. Foreign names Joey Walsh in the reserves throughout 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: our Holdz firm, with Galvin and Burton in the hears. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: King Tonga replaces the injured Flanagin for the Dragons, half returns, 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Karra Partney dropped for the Broncos. For the Warriors, Barnett 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: out with broken thumb, and for the Paramatta's joe Ash 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Bapali replaces the injured Iongi but Foreren does make no changes. 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: Gordy in his first week at the Helm. 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a short week and I would have expected that. 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: You know, you probably give the seventeen guys out there 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: what they were and was an attitude, and you probably 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: give them the chance to turn it around. But it'll 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: be a great question to Jake when he's sitting there 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: in about half an hour. 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 4: Big push for Joey Walsh to get a start. I 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 4: guess there's no one out there who knows better than 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 4: Kieran four and like he made his NRL debut at 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: eighteen in the halves Joey Walsh, he's nineteen. I've said previously, 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: if mainly if this kid was coming through a system 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: like the Panthers or the Roosters, or where there was 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 4: a lot of support around him, I reckon it would 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 4: be a good idea to give him a taste right now. 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: But right at the moment, I don't know. I reckon 29 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: it could be a bit dangerous. At some stage he'll 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: get in there, but just for the moment. 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I'd Bobby trying to get him in within a month 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: or two, I would. I think they need him in 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: the side, need a bit of X factor. But as 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: you said, Kieran's probably the best to make a call 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: on that named coach Friday Saturday and then a quick 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: turnaround Thursday in Queensland against the Dolphins. 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: Has he been throwing his eat then well. 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 5: That's the thing break Then that comes back to the changes. 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 5: I mean they've had two sessions together. I think absolutely 40 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 5: he's been thrown in the deep end to point of 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 5: which I honestly can't believe disappointment. 42 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: Now. 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 5: Manly fans are going to jump all over me because 44 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 5: they love it. They love the fact that one of 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 5: their own are taking control of this football club that's 46 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 5: in disarray. But for me, I think it's Look, I 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 5: won't say it's brain dead, but it's close enough too, 48 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 5: because it completely lacks no strategy whatsoever. And Scott Penn 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 5: came out in his press conference and declared that there 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 5: is still so much left in this season that we 51 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 5: can still get something out of this season by throwing 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: in a thirty five year old who's been at the 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 5: football club for less than four months with limited coaching experience, 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 5: putting that type of pressure on him to go and 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 5: try and rectify this problem that could have been sorted 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: was either well not Keran Foran And I'm saying, and 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 5: I want to make this clear, I absolutely love Karen 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 5: for love what he's. 59 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 6: About could be a future coach. 60 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 5: But this is a it's a decision by a management 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 5: team that are completely focused on appeasing fans. 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: Are you saying that, Okay, I know what you're saying, 63 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Like you're insinuating maybe it's a little bit of a 64 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: prs done. It is okay. So what would you have 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: done there? Would you have kept Sieves or brought someone 66 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: else in? 67 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I would have given Seeds a 68 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 5: little longer, right, or cut it earlier. 69 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 7: What do you think pre pre seas I wouldn't have 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 7: given longer. 71 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 4: I would have I think the decision was made too 72 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: late rather than too soon. It all goes back to 73 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 4: the fact that Seb's got the extension. He got the 74 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: extension at the end of the twenty four season. I 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: think they'd finished seventh or something that year. It was 76 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: too soon. He was not the right fit for that club, 77 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: probably from the moment he arrived. 78 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 7: And the reality is there. 79 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: Was friction to the point of more, to the point 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: of game plans and the style of football that they 81 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: were playing. It just it wasn't the group didn't agree 82 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 4: with it. He didn't change right then. He moved into 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 4: this year and three games in the writing was on 84 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: the wall. He was a dead man walking. I said 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: it last week. The season's gone. But there's also an 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: opportunity to clean up this roster. If they may have 87 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: moved earlier, breath, they could have got your man, Willie Peters. 88 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: You know what I mean if it would have been 89 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 4: a case of first in best dress. But you're right 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: about the bloody club. They've thrown him into the deep 91 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: end because it's probably right now, it is the best 92 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: decision for them, but it's the wrong decision because it 93 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: shows no foresight, which is still the problem for Ages. 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: So see, clearly lost the dressing room. That's what I 95 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: believe Pen's come back. He's spoken to key players at 96 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: the club, senior players, and they've said, listen, we don't believe. 97 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: In the coach. He's lost the dressing room. 98 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: So what's wrong in bringing a guy that could easily 99 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: pick that dressing room up? Because because if anyone's going 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: to get demand respect and get the best out of 101 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: the playing group as it is right now, it's curing 102 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: for it. 103 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 5: So Brath is mainly playing for next week against the 104 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 5: Dolphins and that and that's it, because it feels like 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: all they're worried about is ask covering for next week's game. 106 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 5: Make sure we just try and get a result next week. 107 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 5: There's nothing to do with a vision or a plan here. 108 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 5: And I say this knowing the lots of the Melbourne storm. 109 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 5: The Penrith Panthers, the most successful clubs. 110 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 6: They do planning two and three years in advance. 111 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: It's a fair point you make, right And at the 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: minutes they be talking to coaches or not. 113 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: But that's well if they're not talking to coaches, so 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: what didn't the old coach have that system in place? 115 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: So then this new guy just walks into. 116 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 6: It a succession plan? 117 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, well okay maybe maybe, but for me throwing for 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 5: and in, where's the plan? What's the long term plan here? 119 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: Knowing you've got to what's your recruitment strategy? 120 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 6: Well, we don't know because we don't know. I Kieran's 121 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 6: our coach. 122 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 5: We actually we don't know who the coach is in 123 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven. 124 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 6: Who is it? 125 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: No idea, but they'll make a decision on that day. 126 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: But I think I know the problem or they have 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: to make it enough. They have to get it for 128 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: next year. And the problem with Manly is that this 129 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 4: goes back a decade. This goes back longer than a decade. 130 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 4: The amount you spoke about it last night, the amount 131 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: of chief executives that have been shown the door there, 132 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: like there's ten and eleven years or something, The amount 133 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: of coaches that have come and gone. There's been no 134 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 4: planning whatsoever. But the difference now is that they've got 135 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 4: Jason King who's taken over the CEO's role. 136 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 7: So he's got a. 137 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: Chance now to restrategize and build and start from scratch 138 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: about building a plan for autonomy. Well, the club have 139 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 4: to give him that because they've proven that they stuffered 140 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: up time in, time out, and. 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 7: So he's now got it. 142 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: He's got respect within the club, he's a premiership winning prop. 143 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 7: He's worked at the NRL. He's new to the job. 144 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: That's the only the only drama within even though he's 145 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: got experience there. 146 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 5: Scott pansacked Anthony Sebald. He called him to his office 147 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: in North Sydney, not Jason King. And I say that 148 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,239 Speaker 5: respectfully to Jason, but until he has like you say, 149 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 5: I say, I have immense. 150 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 6: Respect and the more influence he has. 151 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: The better. 152 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 6: But I still feel as does he. 153 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: Doesn't have the autonomy. 154 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: Meeting Jason King. 155 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 5: Jason King, now about the meeting, well, I don't know. 156 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 5: I would like to bloody hope. 157 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: So let's get to the candidates. And Brad Arthur is 158 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: one of them cruels. He's given them a June thirty deadline, 159 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: I believe is what it is, because he obviously wants 160 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: to know by then if he's got the. 161 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 7: Role or not. 162 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: Right well, he does like to me, you've got the candidates. 163 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: You've got Ballan, you've got Mick Ennis, and you've got 164 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: Brad Arthur, and you've got Kieran for And I reckon 165 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: anyone could make a case for any one of those guys. 166 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: My thoughts on Arthur in their situation that they're in 167 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: at the moment. He's proven that he can pick a 168 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: club up off the canvas right He did it at Paramatta. 169 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: He was previously at Manly and he had a great 170 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 4: relationship with the players. I've got no affiliation with him whatsoever. 171 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 4: I just look at it from this perspective that that 172 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: club right now needs experience. But I would almost marry 173 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: him together in a tag team situation with Kieran Forran. 174 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: I believe for and in time, if given the opportunity 175 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: to do an apprenticeship, could become a good coach and 176 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: he could lead Manly not just into the next five 177 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: but the next ten fifteen years. It gives Arthur a 178 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: chance to come back from Leeds put him on a 179 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: three year deal. It's a little bit different to the 180 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: Tigers in that Sheens was in his seventies whinning when 181 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: he came back into coaching. Arthur's fifty one, so he's 182 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: still a. 183 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 7: Coach of the future. 184 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: But it also gives that club stability for several years. 185 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: And you've got a blake that knows what he's doing. 186 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: Because the job he did at Paramount was outstanding. 187 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: I think he's a good idea. Do you like that? 188 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not about Shout at all. 189 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 5: And Brad's experience, as Crawl said, in building Paramatta back 190 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 5: up again ultimately didn't get the result, but certainly he 191 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 5: had successful years in bringing that club off the canvas. 192 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: Can there be anybody just come from left field? 193 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 6: I don't think. 194 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about it. 195 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: I think the only I think the only danger to 196 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 5: Cruise is the idea is Michael Ennis. 197 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: I really do. 198 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 6: I think he's the next in line. 199 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 5: Outside of everyone we're talking about, I think Ennis is 200 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 5: the favorite. 201 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: All Right, club confirmed today they will attempt to get 202 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: Frank Pernice from the Melbourne Storm to the Manly Seagulls. 203 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: But is that wishful thinking? 204 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 7: Because he's your chance picking the powerball numbers. 205 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 4: Like seriously, like Frank Pernice is involved in a great 206 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: club numbers, well could they because he'll be on good 207 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 4: money down there, mate. He's he's been there for eternity. 208 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 4: He's walked alongside Craig Bellamy the whole way. You know 209 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: what I mean? Why Why at his time in his career. 210 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: Because that's because it comes because in twenty years time, 211 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: Because in twenty years time you're going to talk about 212 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: Cameron Smith, Billis later, Craig Bellamy, Glenn Lazarus. Frank with 213 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: no disrespect is probably going to be down if he goes. 214 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 7: Manly. 215 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: Well, if he goes to Manley and if he wants 216 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: to leave the legacy at a club that he's been at, 217 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: that's the challenge for him. 218 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 4: I think that's the what he's done down there, mate, 219 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: he's been a big I'm just saying. 220 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 7: But if you when you go to the. 221 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: General punter and they say Craig Bellamy first, second, third, 222 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 3: fourth and fifth. 223 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: You go to anyone in rugby league and they know 224 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 4: who Frank Benisi. 225 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: But then if he goes to Manly, he's well respected 226 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: down there and I absolutely love him and my opinion 227 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: is yeah, he'd be great for Manly, but Melbourne just 228 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: won't let him go, Like why would they? 229 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 5: And why would Frank PERONICI leave a stable club that's 230 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 5: held their coach only for. 231 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: The reason. 232 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 5: To go to another club that have gone through seven 233 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 5: CEOs and five coach. 234 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 7: Well, you may bring Craig Bellamy with him, mate. 235 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: All right, the Dragons the only team to be zero 236 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: and four since the start of the season. Before we 237 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: get into this is Kyle Lokyd. We have an update 238 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: Cole Flannagan severe concussion. 239 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely horrible scenes to be fair, right on Sunday night, 240 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 5: this heavy collision here with Hayden Muchanan. Look, Minustene's coles 241 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 5: that trying today and he's on his way to recovery. 242 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: He goes through the eleven day concussion protocol and he 243 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 5: started that day one today down a. 244 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: King Tongy is in for Kyle, which I mentioned at 245 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: the top of the show. Now what does he bring 246 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: and if he brings it, what. 247 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: Happens your alf What does he bring? I think he 248 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: brings a lot in attack. 249 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, he come on on the weekend and didn't 250 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: do too much, but he didn't get much of an opportunity. 251 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: He hasn't had much of an opportunity or if any 252 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: at all this year, but a really good footwork speed. 253 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: He's the most creative half they've got at the club, 254 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: I believe, even though he hasn't been playing. The question 255 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: mark has always been his defense. His defense was poor 256 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: last year and let them down. But they need points 257 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: and if you're looking for points, King Tongy is their 258 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: most or their biggest threat. So I think it's good 259 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: in that regard, and it's an opportunity for him given 260 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: the way they're going and how poor they've started the 261 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: year and their inability to create opportunities. This kid, he 262 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: has got some X factor. I quite like him, but 263 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: he's got a challenge. 264 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: And then the footage. He's wearing seven and six, so 265 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: what would you put on his back? 266 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: Well, Atkinson, you know he's not a seven. 267 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 7: He got perfect again though, haven't you you got two 268 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 7: six's again? 269 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: That's the ya. 270 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: But they've got no sevens left and she put Kate 271 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: read and the two sevens they had last year he 272 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: didn't get a shot. 273 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: They've left. 274 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: So now they've got Kade Reid, who is too young. 275 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: Now everyone's saying they give him a shot, which is. 276 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 4: The problem that they have brought upon themselves, haven't they, 277 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 4: Because you know, like Carle's got injured last week and 278 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: everyone hated seeing that. But prior to that, in that game, 279 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 4: the Dragons had more than enough opportunity to win that game. 280 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: It was an absolute train wreck the match itself. The 281 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 4: Titans were terrible. They tried, they tried every way in 282 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 4: the world to lose that game, Gordy, and they couldn't 283 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 4: because the Dragons were worse. And it really it's more 284 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: it's harsh on Dragons fans at the moment, Gordy, because 285 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: that club has now lost its last eight games, and 286 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 4: even prior to that, when you go through the timeline 287 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: of Flanno getting his contract extension in August last year, 288 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 4: they have actually lost twelve of the last fourteen games. 289 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: So leading up to Flano getting his contract extension in 290 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 4: early August, right they'd lost four games in a row. 291 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 7: They got one wink. 292 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: I think it was against the Raiders right the start 293 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: of August, and coincidentally, as luck would have it, he 294 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 4: signed the deal that week. It was almost like they're 295 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 4: waiting for this opportunity a win to come. They then 296 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 4: won the next week against Cronulla. But since then they 297 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 4: haven't won again eight straight games. 298 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: Why they resigning? 299 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: Remember when it happened and I was like, why you 300 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: got no one knocking on the door for Shane Flanagan 301 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: At that point it wasn't like they were. 302 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: Playing out of this. 303 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was in August. 304 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 5: Management in the statement said it was critical that we 305 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 5: resigned Shane in setting the foundation for where we believe 306 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 5: the club is heading. They had full belief that Shane 307 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: was the club. 308 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: Pri to that, prior to that win against the Raiders. Right, 309 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 4: they've lost the previous four games, and I think if 310 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: you go back further it doesn't change. Right, they finished 311 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: the season's fifteenth. So even if they would have held 312 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: off at that stage and say mate, we'll talk about 313 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: this at the end of the season, and then when 314 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: they finished with those four final losses, you would have said, 315 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: we're going to have to hold out. We'll hold out 316 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 4: and see how things are going next year. Surely August 317 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: wasn't the time. After that run in leading to the 318 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 4: camera game was just it makes no sense at all. 319 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: It was like the administration. You talk about what's happened 320 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: at Manly with c Bowl, Well, the Dragon's administrators, the 321 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: bosses down there. 322 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 7: They need a good rap over the knuckles here too. 323 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 6: Well, they're not budging, you know that, mate. It doesn't matter. 324 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: They made the decision, So. 325 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: This is what they said the face if they're already 326 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: sort of got it on their face, haven't they. 327 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 4: You had the quote up there talking about how the 328 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: club's going in the right direction. No one, no one 329 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 4: in their right mind would agree. 330 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: With what will see even that statement last. 331 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: August, he's reinstilled belief in our playing group, coaches and supporters. 332 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: Together with reiterating the privilege of the red vena. I 333 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that he'd reinstilled belief. 334 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 7: That hasn't aged well, has it. 335 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's something changed their day. 336 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 5: You're picking up a quote from August, right, I get it, 337 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: he's under pump. He's under the pump, but so was 338 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 5: everyone else at that foot. 339 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: We're not picking up a quote from August. We're looking 340 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: at the time where they resigned him, right. And my 341 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: problem with this is following the timeline leading up to 342 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 4: that re signing that he In no way in the 343 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: world were they doing enough to give a coach a 344 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: two year contract extension they'd lost four straight games before that. Mate, 345 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: they beat the Raiders. Presto contract extension comes. Those deals 346 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: don't work themselves out in twenty four hours, you know 347 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: what I mean. And then after that they got one 348 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: win and then we've gone through this again. 349 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 7: Flann is in his third. 350 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 4: Year there right, and in fairness to him, the players 351 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: that he's brought to the club since he arrived, they're 352 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 4: aging veterans, you know, they're all aging veterans. I I 353 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: don't see how that club has taken a turn for 354 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 4: the better, the. 355 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: Players that he has signed whilst being at the club. 356 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: So here, yep, because a few times you said, I 357 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: just I. 358 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 5: Want to Hami Stewart, Dylan Egan, Jacob Hallingho Hayden b Canan. 359 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 7: Those kids coming through the system. 360 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 4: They're coming through the system. We're talking about. 361 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: Now. 362 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: Last week, Crawls, you said that Clint Gutherson was a 363 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 5: good signing at the time by the Dragons. 364 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: Agreed. 365 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 7: No, I didn't say that. 366 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 4: I said, in hindsight, we we complained and we criticized 367 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: Paramatta for letting him go at the time. But I said, 368 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: Jason Rawls has been proven correct because Guthson has shown 369 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: grave as he is and as good a player as 370 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: he's been, he's lost that speed that makes the difference. 371 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: What we said, probably goes out and tries his guts 372 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: out every week. In no in no stage did I 373 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 4: say that he was a good signing mate. He brought 374 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 4: him experience, right, but it's proven to be and he 375 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: has another year a year ago. 376 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 6: It's a year too long. 377 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: David King told me, it plays well this week, what happens. 378 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 6: You got to go with a winning team, don't you do? 379 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: You reckon? 380 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: He'll repicking if he plays well this week. 381 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 5: I would have to if you I'm just win, you 382 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 5: have to stick with the team. 383 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: Is his job? Under pressure? 384 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 6: Absolutely? Under pressure, one hundred percent. 385 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: You can't. 386 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 5: You can't keep on losing games and not be under pressure. 387 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 5: Fun I would know that he's already been through it 388 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 5: at Cronola, And as I said, any coach in the game, 389 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 5: it starts a season like this and continues that down 390 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 5: that track. 391 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: You're under pressure. What happens if he loses to the 392 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys and Seagulls. 393 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: Well, it becomes one of those positions where it becomes impossible. 394 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 7: Look and ann rel coach. 395 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: Right, there's a lot of pressure, and we sit here 396 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: and we talk about their positions, but the reason is made. 397 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 4: It's big business. Like these guys get paid more than 398 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 4: the Prime Minister. That's what they're on. There's doctors and 399 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 4: nurses and policemen and everything out there in society that 400 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 4: all have pressure in their jobs. These blokes are paid 401 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 4: for pressure, right, and it comes to winning and losing win, 402 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: They're paid to win. And that's that's how it works out. 403 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 4: And with what's happening at the Dragons at the moment, 404 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: it's not all Flannagan's fault because the administrators there, the 405 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: chairman and the chief executive, are the ones that gave 406 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 4: him the extension. 407 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: What about Guffo, there's been some people saying that he 408 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: should move positions. 409 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: Do you agree with that? 410 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 5: I think Guffo will be the first to admit he's 411 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 5: a yard or the pace like he's not the priory 412 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 5: Wards and I do I agree with Crawls to get 413 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 5: experience into the joint to help this next crop of 414 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 5: young Dragons coming through. They needed these guys, they needed Cook, Guffo, Valhelmes. 415 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 6: But Guffo, I'm a fullback guy. 416 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: You hurt me. 417 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 6: Talk about full backs. You need a leap full back 418 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 6: in your team. 419 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: Speed, it's a young men's position. Exactly do you think 420 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: you could do it? Theren Locker I still. 421 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 6: Think has value. 422 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 5: No, I don't believe you should be played at six 423 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 5: because I think defensive, I think the best spot would 424 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 5: be at center. But they still have him out there, 425 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 5: still have him out there is a valuable contributor as 426 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 5: a communicator and a leader. 427 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 6: But at full back, I think it's gone past. 428 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 4: We're still moving away from the bigger problem there. The 429 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 4: bigger problem is the halves, you know, and the fact 430 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 4: that Cole's now. 431 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 7: Got another year extension. We had an argument about this week. 432 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 4: Last week though, Dave, like. 433 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 5: Daniel Atkinson was brought to the club to be the seven. 434 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 4: Yes, what I'm saying what I'm saying right, you can 435 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: stand by it all you want, but it's not working. 436 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 7: Dave like it was another dud decision. No, but he 437 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 7: came without experience, hoping. 438 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 6: That it wouldn't work. 439 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 4: It would work, But Dave, it goes back to the 440 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 4: problem that their recruitment in recent times hasn't aimed up either, 441 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: and that's just what's going wrong. 442 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 7: And you can't ignore the obvious it's. 443 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: Not because this is Shane's sun that puts more pressure 444 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: on him because of that. Like if this was you know, 445 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: if you're involved in this situation, you'd been encouraging him 446 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 4: to go to another club and prove himself elsewhere because 447 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: the pressure on him at the moment is not fair, 448 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 4: but it's also not fair on the. 449 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 6: Team, all right. 450 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: Credo holds firm with the halves at the Kenaby Bulldogs 451 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: despite the loss and a lot of people talking about 452 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: it still, which was always going to happen if they 453 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: didn't have a strong start of the year. And yeah, 454 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: you wouldn't say a poor start, right. That's been a 455 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: bit harsh, but not probably what they expected or wanted 456 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: out of their six or seven after a controversial decision 457 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: last year, a whole preseason working together, but this week 458 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: he's kept them in their positions. 459 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 5: Thoughts on this, well, he's trying, as I think he's strong, 460 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: as long as he can to make this work. That's 461 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: as simple as it sounds. And one thing we've learned 462 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 5: from Camon he's not afraid to make a tough call. 463 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 5: So even in games, which is quite rare, you don't 464 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 5: see coaches flipping halves in games like Sialdo did last week. 465 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 5: We saw it last year, Toby Sexton hooking Reed Marny 466 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 5: for Bailey Hayward. 467 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 6: This is a coach that just. 468 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 5: Wants to go out and try and win games, no 469 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 5: matter how much pain there is. 470 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 7: Do you think it's working. 471 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 6: Didn't work on the weekend. 472 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: No. 473 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 8: No. 474 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 4: But I'm saying going back to when when Sexton and 475 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 4: Reed Marny were in that side, they were averaging twenty 476 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 4: five points a game last year, right leading up to 477 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 4: the point where Sexton was dropped. I think it was 478 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 4: around round twelve or whenever it was. This year they've 479 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 4: started the season scoring fifteen points. The reason they told 480 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: us last year, and they leaked it all through the media, 481 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: was that Sexton didn't have the attacking ability to take 482 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 4: them to where they needed to go to win a premiership. 483 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 4: Yet this year they're averaging ten points less a game. 484 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 6: With Toby Sex than playing currently. 485 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 7: I'm just saying the attack. I'm saying I don't care 486 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 7: where he's playing days, but. 487 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 6: He's he's I'm saying the ball he's going on. I'm 488 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 6: saying that no other NFL club signed him. 489 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 7: Have you got that out of your system? 490 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 4: Because I'm saying their attack last year, right, was ten 491 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 4: points better than where it is now. Mate, And anyone 492 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 4: that watches that game on the weekend right will say 493 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: the same thing. 494 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 7: Locke. 495 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: Galvin's trying his butt out, right, but he's playing like 496 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: a five eight. He's running the ball what was it 497 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 4: seventeen runs about one hundred and fifty meters. There's no 498 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 4: one there to close out the sets, Mate, that's his job. 499 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: Sean O'Sullivan is the one bloke in that team, right 500 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: or that squad right now that is a dead set seven. 501 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: He should be in that side, whether it's Burton or 502 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: Galvin at five eight, that's a difference. 503 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: I can understand why they've kept the same team because 504 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: I think they can win a lot of games with 505 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: this team. Right, It's just they can't win a comp 506 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: the way that they've got the team structure, which is 507 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: why they brought Galvin over in the first place, because 508 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: they wanted to go from a team that is going 509 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: to play finals. It's consistent, you know, with a really 510 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: good defensive attitude and system, and it's working. We've got 511 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: to take out A to a new level. So it's 512 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: going to be interesting now to see how long Soroudo 513 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: gives this because if the intentions last year we get 514 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: Gavin there for the future and to win competitions and 515 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: to have a harvest combination that can do that, then 516 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: you know they're going to have to make a tough 517 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: call if he continues the way. That's very soon because 518 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: we again I said it weeks ago, we don't want 519 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: to go through this shit again. 520 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: The fans don't want to go through it again. 521 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: It's a big brand, I think. And then, as I 522 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 3: said last night, they brought Lockey Galvin and I'm not sold. 523 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: And as I said, he's not the problem, but whether 524 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: he's the solution as the best number seven or six 525 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: that I've seen, and then we heard that he's the 526 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: best number seven that Phil gilds and I think. 527 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 6: There's still stacks of development in Lachlan's game. 528 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: Right at what position do you think he'll fa Well, I. 529 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 5: Would actually move into six and have O'Sullivan as the 530 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 5: starting half. I really would that that would allow Lachlan 531 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 5: to develop his game. He's only twenty, right, and I 532 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 5: can't even remember Nathan Cleary at twenty. 533 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 6: You know, I can't remember Jerome Hughes at twenty. 534 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: The criticism is. So the criticism isn't of Locke though. 535 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: This is where a lot of. 536 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 6: People are getting No, I actually think it would be 537 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 6: a better about Yeah, you're. 538 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: Right, I just want to make minus. 539 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: The decisions that they made to put him at seven 540 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: is where the criticism is. 541 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 7: The club put the pressure on him. 542 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: Dave phil Gould come out and said he was the 543 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: best kid he's ever seen. Right then they take him 544 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 4: to the club. They unsettle the team that was working. 545 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 4: Regardless of what you want to say, they were playing 546 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 4: better attacking footy last year than they are now. It's 547 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 4: not a criticism of Lachlan Galvan. It's a criticism of 548 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 4: the system that has put him in this position. That's 549 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 4: where the criticism is. And break the last year, even 550 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: in respect to Burton last week. Right, so he gets 551 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: shifted mid game? How does that stuff with your head? 552 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: No? 553 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: Good? You know what I mean? A dead set. 554 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: Also, were struggling with the confidence before that, and then 555 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: they come out and say make this center. He's never 556 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: played five eight before. We want to play him five eight. 557 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: You just jump on the outside of him. And this 558 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: has been really you going on? 559 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: My god? 560 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 5: Am I going to He's scored two tries from it, 561 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 5: but missing the point. 562 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: I know what's going on with you, and you know 563 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: your Bulldogs camp, and you know I've got some people 564 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: in the camp too. 565 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: You're going to reassure you. 566 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: So is a great coach and I love him. All right, 567 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 1: there you go, you feel better. Let's be smart about this. 568 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: If you I played five eight and if I got 569 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: told to move and your center's going to five eight, 570 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: coming to Willie Tongs going to five not gave police, I'm. 571 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: Done, you know, Like But honestly, he's feel like ship 572 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 2: you would and it's not. 573 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: But but in saying that Burton needs a lift. 574 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 6: He's gay. 575 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: Burton's a lift. 576 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: He's game, He's scored a couple of tries, and he's running. 577 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: His carries are great. But a five eight's. 578 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: Job is not just to carry the football to organized 579 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: bump Galvin run the team. 580 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: Can I crystal ball? 581 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: Here? 582 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: As Burton the next one that might be on off 583 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 3: the bus? 584 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: Well, they've got They've got to make a decision, don't they. 585 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 6: Where does he fit into the team? 586 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: Is he Look? 587 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 5: My idea is o'slimon in the hartsw Galvin so that 588 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 5: moves Burn at the centers now you've got. 589 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 4: But you go back to the fact, mate, they brought 590 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 4: Galvin to be a seven. They're the ones that made 591 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 4: the decision. They're the ones that talked it up. They're 592 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 4: the ones that have now persisted for the best part 593 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 4: of a season trying to make out we all know 594 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: nothing and they know everything. 595 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 7: But it's still not working. 596 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: And now Burton's become the last person to be thrown 597 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 4: under the bus if he gets pushed out of the club. 598 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: All right, Crauls, what's your beef? 599 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 8: Beef, We'll stick with the you've already had, stick with 600 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 8: the bulldogs, and we'll still with the teflon bulldog Stephen, 601 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 8: which which at the moment fans from rival clubs are 602 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 8: understandably you're getting a bit frustrated with. 603 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 4: The amount of fifty to fifty so called calls that 604 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 4: go Stephen Crichton's way. Knight's fair copped it again last weekend. 605 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: You had the forward pass that hit Burton on the 606 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 4: melon for the try in the corner for Caraz. That's 607 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: one wasn't come on, come out, It came out of 608 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 4: the hands for your little bulldog. 609 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 7: Come on and watch that come out of the head. 610 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 4: Get the cameray earlier in the game. 611 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: I don't all agree with you and said it was 612 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: a fifty. 613 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 4: Fifty is what I'm talking about, right, So go back 614 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 4: to the strip. In a minute, we'll see the sand 615 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 4: and Smith's. 616 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 7: Strip on Crichton. And here we go again. 617 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 4: Right now, he's got his hand on the ball, no 618 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 4: question in the world. He did not pull at that ball. 619 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 4: When you watch the slow motion replay, he knew it. 620 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 4: So the Knights have gone with the captain's challenge. 621 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 7: Everyone's watching the game. 622 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: I think it was Blocker and Blocker and Kevy Walters 623 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 4: on the call on the weekend and they're watching this 624 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 4: and they're hearing what the bunker's saying about it, and 625 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 4: everyone's mystified because, yes, his hands there, but he's not 626 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: pulling it. Crichton's released it, mate. 627 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: Again he's strip. 628 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: The NRL have said sand In Smith's hand was on 629 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: the ball in a cupping motion, right right. 630 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 4: And the next point is he's become the new Cameron 631 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: Smith with his ability to lie in. 632 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 6: The ruck all game like he's cupping motions. 633 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 4: Oh god, he lies in the rock all game last week. 634 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 4: This is the one against the Raiders. The previous week 635 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 4: gets him down holding on the games on the balance 636 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 4: here does it gives him another little push now right 637 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 4: savage is blowing up. 638 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: Mate. 639 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 4: I think Adam g was the referee completely missed. It 640 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: cost him about four or five tackles. You go back 641 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 4: to round one over in Vegas. 642 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 7: So to two the. 643 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: Dragon's winger gets smashed around the head. 644 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 7: Right. 645 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: The NRL has since conceded it should have been a 646 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: sin bed, but not for Stephen Crichton. Mate, he gets 647 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: a penalty. 648 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: Was a whole roach. 649 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: He's brought the whole butcher. 650 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: Then, I think the radley has been given the green 651 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: light from the rouses the return a week early day. 652 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: This broke this afternoon and. 653 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 6: Certainly did break your roosters. 654 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, well, well the roosters get things done, goody. 655 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 6: I'm going to be very fair here. I'm going to 656 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 6: be very fair. 657 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 5: It was it was a club sanction, so ultimately, ultimately 658 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 5: they dictate how many games? 659 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 7: How many games was it originally? 660 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 5: So they're going with a test for England, two trial 661 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 5: matches and four games. 662 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 6: Now, originally the original sanction was a ten match band. 663 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 6: So they've gone, they've. 664 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 3: Gone behavior. 665 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 5: Missing, he's missing, he's Mianning missing nine matches plus a 666 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 5: bye this weekend, including play. 667 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 7: What was Nick's comment at the time, Oh, I forget. 668 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: There it is. 669 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 7: Did you read that first? 670 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: Please? 671 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: If somebody is caught doing cocaine or leaning over snorting something, 672 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: we're going to get rid of them. 673 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: It's a zero tolerance. We are very strong on it. 674 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: Trent is very strong on it. You got your quote, Yeah, 675 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: that's good. 676 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 5: Anyway, For the record, it was the biggest fine and 677 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 5: suspension in the club's history. 678 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: Thirty thousand dollars the Children's. 679 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 6: Children's Hospital and ten weeks no pay. 680 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 7: Oh. 681 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: I think Victor Radley, if he was at any other club, 682 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: that wouldn't have been the threat. 683 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 7: But that was Nick's words. 684 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 4: That's what he said, and I think that's where it 685 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 4: becomes a bit of a comedy.