WEBVTT - Bringing it Home | 8

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<v Speaker 1>I've said this once before. It's not your problem until

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<v Speaker 1>it's your problem. I think what we've seen in the

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<v Speaker 1>past is people will see, you know, these organized crime

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<v Speaker 1>groups having conflict within themselves, and it's okay, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's over there, it doesn't affect me. But when you're

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<v Speaker 1>having these sorts of shootings occurring where it's close to

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<v Speaker 1>playgrounds or shopping car parks and it is close to you,

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<v Speaker 1>it is then your problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is it. This is the end of the line.

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<v Speaker 3>You last heard from my colleague News Corp Australia's national correspondent,

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Drill back in episode three when he was in

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<v Speaker 3>a Narco tunnel underneath the US Mexico border. But right

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<v Speaker 3>now he's standing alone on a road full of multimillion

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<v Speaker 3>dollar properties where there's one that really stands out.

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<v Speaker 2>This house is like it kind of looks like a spaceship.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen's back home in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in a street in Melbourne. It's the city where

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<v Speaker 4>I live. You might call this a leafy area. A

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<v Speaker 4>leafy area is shorthand here in Melbourne for posh. The

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<v Speaker 4>street is full of very old English trees, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>standing in the shade of one, which is good for

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<v Speaker 4>my lack of hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Despite the tree cover, it's still hot out. The sun

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<v Speaker 3>is fierce in the blue sky. Growing up in Australia myself,

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<v Speaker 3>I can remember just how hot it gets.

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<v Speaker 4>Black Wall, Black Gate. The door set well back just

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<v Speaker 4>the underground garage here would probably be bigger than my

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<v Speaker 4>entire house.

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<v Speaker 3>The house has white wolves, a home, cinema, a gym,

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<v Speaker 3>and big glass windows overlooking its private pool.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm just walking up to the front door.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this place looks like it's worth ten million dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>which is exactly what it was bought for just last

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<v Speaker 4>year by a man police allege is a member of

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<v Speaker 4>a money laudering syndicate called Long River.

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<v Speaker 3>The Long River Operation allegedly laundered hundreds of millions of

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<v Speaker 3>Ossie dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm just about to knock on the door of

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<v Speaker 4>this ten million dollar house that is alleged to be

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<v Speaker 4>the proceeds of crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen reaches out, presses the button on the intercom. His

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<v Speaker 3>heart beats faster.

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<v Speaker 2>No answer.

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<v Speaker 4>As a journalist doing these jobs, we even know what

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<v Speaker 4>kind of reaction you'll get on a doorknock like this.

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<v Speaker 4>What the police are saying is that people living here

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<v Speaker 4>brought this swanky property with criminal profits.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing. I'll try again, but this.

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<v Speaker 3>Time someone answers. I'm Fiona Hamilton and from The Times,

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<v Speaker 3>The Sunday Times and News Corp Australia. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>final episode of Cocaine Inc. Episode eight, bringing it Home.

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<v Speaker 4>So far in this series, I've been to Columbia and

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<v Speaker 4>Mexico looking at where the cocaine business starts in the

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<v Speaker 4>coca plantations and how the drug is exported. Fiona went

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<v Speaker 4>to the Netherlands, where ports like Rotterdam act as distribution

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<v Speaker 4>hubs for this global industry. David was in Northwest England

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<v Speaker 4>looking at the retail arm of the business, the street

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<v Speaker 4>level dealers. Then he followed the money trailed to Dubai,

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<v Speaker 4>which led to a maze of different companies dealing in

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<v Speaker 4>gold investment and trading. It felt like we lost the

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<v Speaker 4>trail at that point. What do the world's cocaine bosses

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<v Speaker 4>actually do with the money they've made from their crimes?

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<v Speaker 4>Does criminal money end up buying beautiful homes in suburban

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<v Speaker 4>streets in cities like the one where I live? Trying

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<v Speaker 4>to answer that question is how I ended up back

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<v Speaker 4>home in Australia standing outside his house looking at how

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<v Speaker 4>those allegedly involved in organized crime take their profits and

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<v Speaker 4>spend it.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, my name's Stephen Drill, journalist. I just was wondering

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<v Speaker 5>if the place has been seized by the police or

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening with it now.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to touch base. Are you the owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the property?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so I don't have permission to record, meaning you're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to hear the conversation. I can't see the

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<v Speaker 4>person I'm speaking to, but it's a woman. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>she's in her thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>She sounds weary.

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<v Speaker 4>I try explaining how the Federal Police have just rated

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<v Speaker 4>twelve high street money exchange stores across the country and

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<v Speaker 4>are saying this house is linked to them. They're calling

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<v Speaker 4>it the most significant money laundering investigation in Australia's history.

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<v Speaker 2>The police allege the.

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<v Speaker 4>Company operated a bit like a bank, providing a system

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<v Speaker 4>for customers to transfer money in and out of the country. Only,

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<v Speaker 4>according to police, some of the customers will organize criminals

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<v Speaker 4>and their money.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundreds of millions allegedly.

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<v Speaker 5>Came from cyber scamps and what the cops call trafficking

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<v Speaker 5>illicit goods, which would be the kind of business we

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<v Speaker 5>followed around the world in this series. At the front

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<v Speaker 5>door of the ten million dollar.

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<v Speaker 4>House, the woman I'm talking to seems to hesitate, and

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<v Speaker 4>a man takes over the conversation. He doesn't say who

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<v Speaker 4>he is. When I ask, he says, they don't know

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<v Speaker 4>anything about police rates. They've just moved in and they're

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<v Speaker 4>only tenants, he says. The owners aren't at home right now,

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<v Speaker 4>so they can't talk. Puzzled and disappointed, I say thanks

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<v Speaker 4>and walk back out.

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<v Speaker 2>But something's nagging at me. So there's someone living in there.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, let's go and see what else there is here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just come knock on the neighbor's door.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this might seem weird trying to talk to the neighbors,

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<v Speaker 4>but as a journalist, I've lost track of the number

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<v Speaker 4>of stories I've got just by knocking on doors. Does

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<v Speaker 4>anybody else in the neighborhood know something anything? When you're

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<v Speaker 4>working on a story like this, you never know what

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<v Speaker 4>tiny bit of information might be the missing piece that

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<v Speaker 4>helps you solve the puzzle. And I want to know

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<v Speaker 4>how this house might be caught up in the Long

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<v Speaker 4>River Syndicate. So I try some neighbors doors.

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<v Speaker 5>The dog is certainly home there, but it's a little

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<v Speaker 5>white fuck your dog. Nothing too scary, which can happen

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes on door knocks.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll keep moving.

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<v Speaker 4>Because all I know is what the federal police are saying,

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<v Speaker 4>that the Long River Syndicate provide organized crime a way

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<v Speaker 4>to move their money here without it being traced by

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<v Speaker 4>the authorities. Money that could have come from allegedly trafficking,

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<v Speaker 4>A list of goods which could be drugged, like cocaine. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the house immediately next door, she has a some string

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<v Speaker 4>tied around the gates.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look like you can come into that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell from there, I just pressed the doorbell, see if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone comes out.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you understand why I think the effort is worth it,

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<v Speaker 5>spending hours in the hot sun knocking on strangers doors.

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<v Speaker 5>I need to take you back a few days to

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<v Speaker 5>when I got a call from a source.

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<v Speaker 2>This call was unusual. The source said something was going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't tell you too much about it, but they.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't say what.

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<v Speaker 4>They just said to be free on a certain day,

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<v Speaker 4>so I knew it was going to be big. In

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<v Speaker 4>the meantime, I waited, I kept looking at the cocaine business,

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<v Speaker 4>which seems to be on a bull run.

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<v Speaker 7>In the almost thirty years I've been in law enforcement

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<v Speaker 7>and intelligence, I haven't seen the scale of cocaine that

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<v Speaker 7>we've seen consistently hitting our shores in the last twelve

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<v Speaker 7>to twenty four months before in my career.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Matt Rippon, Deputy CEO Intelligence at the Australian

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<v Speaker 4>Criminal Intelligence Commission or ACIC.

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<v Speaker 7>The main reason is because of the profit margin to

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<v Speaker 7>be made. There are a lot of logistics and arrangements

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<v Speaker 7>that need to be made between uplift from the style

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<v Speaker 7>of coca leaf in Columbia, for example, to make it

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<v Speaker 7>all the way to the streets of Sydney or Melbourne, etc.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's a real global enterprise.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking in Matt's headquarters. It's a hard place to find.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no marking on the bill. Security is tight inside

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<v Speaker 4>these walls. Law enforcement spy and criminals. They access messages,

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<v Speaker 4>monitor the movement of people and cocaine.

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<v Speaker 7>The law enforcement actually been really successful in recent years

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<v Speaker 7>in seizing some really large consignments of cocaine. You may

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<v Speaker 7>recall one point eight ton of cocaine was actually seized

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<v Speaker 7>in Peru.

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<v Speaker 2>One point eight tons.

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<v Speaker 4>I do some mental calculations, as I learned at the

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<v Speaker 4>port in Cardagena back in episode three, the value of

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<v Speaker 4>cocaine changes depending on where it is in the global

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<v Speaker 4>supply chain. In Peru, where it was seized, that one

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<v Speaker 4>point eight tons might have been worth around five million

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<v Speaker 4>US dollars. Wholesale, it's almost four million pounds or seven

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<v Speaker 4>and a half million is STI dollars. While the time

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<v Speaker 4>it's trafficked all the way to Australia and sold by

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<v Speaker 4>the gram on the streets of Sydney or Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>That value rises by a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be worth more than three quarters of a

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars US over six hundred million pounds or one

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<v Speaker 4>point two billion Ousie dollars. Another way of looking at

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<v Speaker 4>it is that much cocaine would be enough to supply

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<v Speaker 4>every user in Australia for six months.

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<v Speaker 7>That seizure was actually linked to one of the highest

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<v Speaker 7>level threats to this country. So attached to that syndicate,

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<v Speaker 7>you had another one point one ton of cocaine that

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<v Speaker 7>came into New South Wales from Panama.

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<v Speaker 4>When he talks about high level threats to the country.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt means it much of Australia's cocaine import are thought

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<v Speaker 4>to be linked to an international cartel known as the Kinahans,

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<v Speaker 4>the Irish cocaine cowboys, who are currently thought to be

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<v Speaker 4>in the United Arab Emirates. The Kinahans are being investigated

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<v Speaker 4>around the world, including over links to the Islamic militant

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<v Speaker 4>group Hezbollah and Iran's intelligence services. In twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 4>the US government offered a five million dollar bounty for

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<v Speaker 4>information leading to the arrests of the gang's leaders.

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<v Speaker 8>Buzz of today, the Kinahan transnational criminal organization joins the

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<v Speaker 8>ranks of Italy's Camorra, Mexico's Los Zetas, Japan's Yakaza, and

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<v Speaker 8>Russia's Thieves and Law Also as of today, the result

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<v Speaker 8>of these sanctions, these individuals are immediately served from the

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<v Speaker 8>US financial system and any assets brought property under US

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<v Speaker 8>jurisdiction are immediate blocked.

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<v Speaker 4>At this moment, the Kinahans the suspective of hiding out

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<v Speaker 4>in Dubai, where David was in the last episode. Together,

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<v Speaker 4>these different interlinked criminal groups represent a huge international challenge

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<v Speaker 4>to any single police.

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<v Speaker 7>Force in twenty twenty three. In February, you had two

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<v Speaker 7>back to back large cocaine importations, three hundred kilo importation

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<v Speaker 7>off the coast of Western Australia, and then you had

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<v Speaker 7>three point two ton seased in New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a lot of money in one shipment. That's billions

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<v Speaker 5>of dollars of street value.

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<v Speaker 7>It is billions of dollars. And the interesting thing here

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<v Speaker 7>is that because of the profit margin that can be

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<v Speaker 7>made from coca leaf all the way through to finished

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<v Speaker 7>product on the ground, they can afford to lose a

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<v Speaker 7>particular consignment. It's not a good outcome for them, but

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<v Speaker 7>they actually factor in losses into their business model like

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<v Speaker 7>any good company structure would.

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<v Speaker 4>Fact In Rotterdam, where Fiona was in episode four of

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<v Speaker 4>this series, research suggests authorities sees just over half of

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<v Speaker 4>all drug shipments. Other law enforcement people I speak to

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<v Speaker 4>say the average might be less. Roughly one in four

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<v Speaker 4>cocaine shipments is picked up. Either way, the cocaine traffickers

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<v Speaker 4>still make a profit, although that doesn't stop them lashing

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<v Speaker 4>out when a shipment is lost.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, first of breaking Years, and we are three

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<v Speaker 3>hours into a gangland man hunt in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>A man executed in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 4>A bloody gang war has caused more than twenty deaths

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<v Speaker 4>in recent years.

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<v Speaker 5>Another man hunt is under way tonight after the daylight

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<v Speaker 5>shooting of a former biking.

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<v Speaker 4>Sparked by a dispute over a missing shipment of cocaine,

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<v Speaker 4>now thought to have been seized by the Federal police.

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<v Speaker 9>A man has been shocked dead in a front yard

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<v Speaker 9>at Fairfield Heights in Sydney's Tit for Tat gangland war.

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<v Speaker 7>Organized crime groups act like a genuinely global business, but

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<v Speaker 7>what we're seeing in the environment that's been somewhat different,

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<v Speaker 7>particularly in the last three to five years, has been

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<v Speaker 7>collaboration across organized crime groups that traditionally wouldn't work together.

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<v Speaker 7>We're seeing cocaine importations where you have Mexicans working with

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<v Speaker 7>Chinese organized crime, working with outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia

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<v Speaker 7>to make sure that they compartmentalize their business appropriately to

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<v Speaker 7>protect the head of the syndicate, but also to make

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<v Speaker 7>sure that they capitalize on the capabilities that they all

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<v Speaker 7>have at various points in the supply chain.

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<v Speaker 4>That complicated supply chain where cocaine can travel through several

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<v Speaker 4>different countries, passing between different criminal groups who are now

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<v Speaker 4>working together. That's a strength of the modern drug operation.

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<v Speaker 4>The person who's ultimately in charge is not exposed.

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<v Speaker 2>He or she is like the.

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<v Speaker 4>Chief executive, safe inside their boardroom, while different groups from

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<v Speaker 4>different countries handle all the actual work.

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<v Speaker 2>But listening to.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt, I learned that this is also a weakness because

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<v Speaker 4>the longer the chain becomes, the more weak links it contains,

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<v Speaker 4>meaning more opportunities for law enforcement to find those links

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<v Speaker 4>and break them. The day comes when my source had

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<v Speaker 4>told me something big is going to happen. Before dawn,

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of Australian Federal Police officers launch raids across the country.

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<v Speaker 4>They see expensive looking cars and haul them away with

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<v Speaker 4>tow trucks, carry battering rams up to the gates of

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<v Speaker 4>expensive looking homes, and send uniform cops into twelve high

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<v Speaker 4>street money exchange stores in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

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<v Speaker 4>The stores are part of a national chain with bright

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<v Speaker 4>professional signs, shining white counters, smartly dressed staff and this

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<v Speaker 4>promotional video playing in the window.

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<v Speaker 9>Niha Wa Shu Gary Hardgrave. For almost twelve years, I

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<v Speaker 9>was an elected representative in the Australian government five years

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<v Speaker 9>as a minister, including in immigration. As of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm joining the board of Shunxiang Currency Exchange the further overseas.

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<v Speaker 4>And getting a former Australian government minister like Gary Hardgrave

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<v Speaker 4>to promote it would have seemed a real seal of

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<v Speaker 4>approval to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Chang Jiang Currency Exchange to Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Chang Yang is Mandarin Chinese, it translates as Long River.

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<v Speaker 9>The Australian government has strong oversight, but shun Xiang Currency

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<v Speaker 9>Exchange has an even higher level of reliability, with water

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<v Speaker 9>tight security processes in place to guarantee the safety of

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<v Speaker 9>your facts.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no suggestion Gary Hardgrave, the former government minister, knew

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<v Speaker 4>anything about what was allegedly going on at Changing. He's

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<v Speaker 4>not been accused of any wrongdoing and would later say

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<v Speaker 4>he'd cut all ties with the company and had no

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<v Speaker 4>day to day involvement in its operations. But this morning,

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<v Speaker 4>looking at the scale of the police operation, the cops

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<v Speaker 4>walking out carrying computers and stacks of paperwork, it became

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<v Speaker 4>clear this really was as big a deal as my

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<v Speaker 4>source had promised.

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<v Speaker 10>This is the most significant and complex AFP led money

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<v Speaker 10>laundring investigation in the nation's history.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Australian Federal Police Assistant Commissioner Stephen Demeadow speaking

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<v Speaker 4>at a press conference following the raids in October twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three. I'm sitting among the press pack, frantically typing

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<v Speaker 4>to get down his work.

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<v Speaker 10>The AFP alleges the chang Jing Currency Exchange is a

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<v Speaker 10>front for a mining laundering syndicate that transfers dirty money

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<v Speaker 10>for large criminal enterprises.

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<v Speaker 4>The police allege Changjang transferred over ten billion Aussie dollars

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<v Speaker 4>just over the past three years. That's over five billion

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<v Speaker 4>pounds or nearly seven billion US dollars. Most of that

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<v Speaker 4>was legal, the cops say, but they also allege criminals

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<v Speaker 4>were allowed to move money in and out of the

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<v Speaker 4>country by mixing it in with the legal transactions. In

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<v Speaker 4>this way, the Federal Police allege around two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>twenty nine million Aussie dollars was laundered, money from what

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<v Speaker 4>police call a serious violent.

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<v Speaker 10>Act money laundering is not a victimless crime, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Also money from trafficking illicit goods.

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<v Speaker 10>Even after more than twenty years in law enforcement and

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<v Speaker 10>as a former law myself. The amount of money allegedly

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<v Speaker 10>laundered still surprised me.

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<v Speaker 4>The police call it an industrial scale operation. Seven people

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<v Speaker 4>were arrested in the raids. Some could face life imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 4>the cops say, although the accused insist they're innocent. According

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<v Speaker 4>to the cops, they'd been living the high life. I

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<v Speaker 4>keep typing taking it all in as the press conference continues.

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<v Speaker 10>By eating at Australia's most extravagant restaurants, drank wine and

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<v Speaker 10>saki values and the tens of thousands of dollars, traveled

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<v Speaker 10>on private jets and drove vehicles purchased for almost four

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<v Speaker 10>hundred thousand dollars. One alleged offender lived in a home

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<v Speaker 10>worth more than ten million dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the ten million dollar house, the one with the

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<v Speaker 4>gleaming white walls that looks something like a spaceship where

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<v Speaker 4>we started this episode.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi, how are you going?

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<v Speaker 2>My I's Steve on the journalists.

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<v Speaker 4>So, now that I know my source is correct and

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<v Speaker 4>this is a big deal, I want to know more

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<v Speaker 4>about this alleged money laundering operation.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Stephen Drell. I'm a journalist.

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<v Speaker 5>I just was wondering if the place has been seized

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<v Speaker 5>by the police, or what's happening with it now. I

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<v Speaker 5>just wanted to touch base. Are you the owner of

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<v Speaker 5>the property?

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<v Speaker 4>When the people inside so they can't help because they're

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<v Speaker 4>only tenants and have just moved in. I start talking

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<v Speaker 4>to the neighbors because if the cops are right and

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<v Speaker 4>this house was bought by people caught up in international

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<v Speaker 4>money laundering operation, then this could be the very last

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<v Speaker 4>step in the kind of global criminal business we've been

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<v Speaker 4>following ever since the Cokerfields in Colombia, where the money

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<v Speaker 4>made by organized crime gangs is moved into a new

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<v Speaker 4>country and those involved allegedly spend it on seemingly legitimate

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<v Speaker 4>purchases like fast cars and fancy houses or like this house.

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<v Speaker 6>Just wanted to talk about your neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you near people moved in recently? So I got

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<v Speaker 2>chatting to a neighbor.

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<v Speaker 6>Is there new tenants in the house or same people?

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<v Speaker 6>But there's no there has there been any removal trucks

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<v Speaker 6>or no removal trucks that's from the same people there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to hear on the audio what the neighbor says,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's just told me he hasn't seen anybody moving

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<v Speaker 4>in recently, no removal trucks. Wondering about that, I stand

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<v Speaker 4>in the shade of a tree, get my phone out

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<v Speaker 4>and reread news reports of the police rate. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just going back through the news articles because I think

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<v Speaker 4>I may have missed a trick here. I know that

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<v Speaker 4>there was a husband and wife who were arrested, so

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just going through now and checking which of the

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<v Speaker 4>people it might actually be. Now, there were three people

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<v Speaker 4>who were granted bail, and now I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 4>use their names here in this podcast, but there were

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<v Speaker 4>three people granded bars. So it's possible that the people

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<v Speaker 4>who were grounded batt are those people we just spoke

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<v Speaker 4>with on the intercom.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps weren't genants.

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<v Speaker 4>But were actually the people accused of being involved in

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<v Speaker 4>this money laundering syndicate. According to the police charge sheets

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<v Speaker 4>which were tended in court, the couple who bought this

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<v Speaker 4>house a part of what the police are calling the

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<v Speaker 4>Long River money laundering syndicate. That syndicate was named after

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<v Speaker 4>the chain of Shining money exchange officers that were raided

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<v Speaker 4>last October. Investigators have traced millions going into the bank

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<v Speaker 4>accounts of one of the owners of this house. The

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<v Speaker 4>police also alleged that some of those who were arrested

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<v Speaker 4>coached others to create company structures and false documents to

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<v Speaker 4>conceal the proceeds of crime. The charge sheets use what

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<v Speaker 4>seems like the language of accountants talking about different businesses,

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<v Speaker 4>beneficiaries and assets, funds, transfer instructions, taxable declarations. This all

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<v Speaker 4>feels a long way from where I started this series

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<v Speaker 4>with Jose the Columbian police officer who lost his legs

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<v Speaker 4>to a landmine, fighting a bloody war in the drug plantations, A.

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<v Speaker 11>War on drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean times have changed the AFP, we don't focus

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<v Speaker 1>on commodity with matured our approach.

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<v Speaker 4>Kirsty Schofield is the Australian Federal Police Assistant Commissioner in

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<v Speaker 4>charge of the Forces Crime Command, meaning she oversaw the

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<v Speaker 4>investigation into alleged money laundering by the chang Xiang Currency Exchange.

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<v Speaker 4>In person, she's all smiles, tan skin. She could be

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<v Speaker 4>an Aussie surfer, but that hides an inner toughness. As

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<v Speaker 4>a detective, she worked CANi terrorism, an organized crime we

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<v Speaker 4>caught up after the chang Xiang police raids, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>an open investigation. So Kirsty wasn't going to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 4>but from what she would tell me, it's obvious that

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<v Speaker 4>Kirsty knows the cocaine business. She's thought about it deeply.

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<v Speaker 4>Any major cocaine bust that involves Australia or Australian police

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<v Speaker 4>based it over thirty offices worldwide comes across her desk.

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<v Speaker 11>It's much bigger than a commodity.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a global business and we really do look

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<v Speaker 1>at it as a whole business.

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<v Speaker 11>We just don't target the drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>Where this is relevant is the idea of accountants. Kirsty says,

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<v Speaker 4>there are professional criminal groups out there who provide a

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<v Speaker 4>service to other crime gains, helping them process their profits,

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<v Speaker 4>moving money in and out of countries and taking a

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<v Speaker 4>cut in the process.

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<v Speaker 11>We look at the finances.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually try to disrupt the whole business model. We

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<v Speaker 1>look at the key enablers of what constitutes their business structures.

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<v Speaker 1>We make it hostile onshore and offshore wherever they're operating.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, you're saying it's asrupting the business.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that comes to the next point of are

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<v Speaker 5>necessarily trying to arrest everybody? Is that the most effective

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<v Speaker 5>way of curbing the drug businesses and the drug trade.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we can arrest our way out of

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<v Speaker 1>this at all. So we are really focused on targeting

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<v Speaker 1>those people that when we take them out, it has

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<v Speaker 1>a significant impact on their ability to run a business.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is it that moves their money? We take their money,

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<v Speaker 1>We take the money in the profit out of the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is it that they really for their logistics? And

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find there'll be a key person across several organized

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<v Speaker 1>crime groups that helps with logistics, and we'll target that person.

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<v Speaker 4>Kirsty's saying this reminds me of a line from an

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<v Speaker 4>old movie called Wall Street about a young stockbroker who

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<v Speaker 4>wants to make his fortune in New York during the

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 11>Money never sleeps, Paw.

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<v Speaker 9>Just meet eight hundred thousand Hong Kong Gold.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been wired to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Money never sleeps. That's Gordon Gecko played by Michael Douglas

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<v Speaker 4>in the movie. The young broker starts making money, only

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<v Speaker 4>it corrupts him. It becomes like the money is in charge.

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<v Speaker 4>He can never stop. Kirsty says, the same is true

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<v Speaker 4>of those working in the illegal business world.

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<v Speaker 11>They do not stop. They are twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>They conduct multiple business deals at the one time, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are motified by money, greed and ego and that

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<v Speaker 1>drives them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's power that's led to more conflict.

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<v Speaker 11>That's right. It's all over money.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to control certain parts of the business, so

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<v Speaker 1>the conflict is generally associated with that. What's happening now

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<v Speaker 1>is people are getting caught in the crossfire. They no

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<v Speaker 1>longer do that sort of business away from public attention.

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<v Speaker 1>They're more comfortable to do it in the public arena.

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<v Speaker 5>When we've send dead bodies in Sydney streets where kids

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<v Speaker 5>are walking past, that's right. So it's coming to people's

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<v Speaker 5>doorsteps now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I've said this once before, it's not your

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<v Speaker 1>problem until it's your problem. I think what we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in the past is people will see, you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>organized crime groups having conflict within themselves, and it's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay, it's over there, it doesn't affect me. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you're having these sorts of shootings occurring where it's

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<v Speaker 1>close to playgrounds or shopping car parks and it is

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<v Speaker 1>close to you, it is then your problem.

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<v Speaker 5>And what would you say to say someone who's taking

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<v Speaker 5>cocaine this week, candid insat Sydney or London, because it's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we can't pretend that it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't do it. Sometimes I feel that just forces

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<v Speaker 1>on deads. I find that one of the complicated factors

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<v Speaker 1>is how do we explain to those taking drugs of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons not to do it because they feel it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you stop and what do the police just

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<v Speaker 2>say up?

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<v Speaker 5>Do we give up? Do we just let this go?

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<v Speaker 5>Or how do you actually keep trying to fight against

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<v Speaker 5>the criminal organizations?

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<v Speaker 1>The option to give up is not there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what would it look like if we did give up?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean for the world. There's all these

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<v Speaker 1>other part of society doing the right thing. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>such an inequity in it. And is it hard, yes

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<v Speaker 1>it is? Is it worth it? Definitely? It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>about arresting somebody. That's old policing mentality. It's very different.

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<v Speaker 1>We look for different ways to do business. We look

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<v Speaker 1>at all forms of disruption make it hostile for them

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<v Speaker 1>to operate wherever they are.

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<v Speaker 11>In the world.

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<v Speaker 4>After speaking to Kirsty, that idea stays with me. The

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<v Speaker 4>police are looking for different ways to do business, because

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<v Speaker 4>the old way of doing business by simply trying to

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<v Speaker 4>arrest the people selling the drugs, isn't working. Standing outside

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<v Speaker 4>that ten million dollar house, I decide to go back,

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<v Speaker 4>determined to find out who owns it. I'll reach out

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<v Speaker 4>and try the intercom again. The man answers again, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't have permission to record the conversation. But this time

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<v Speaker 4>he and I get talking. It's not easy talking through

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<v Speaker 4>the intercom. It keeps cutting off after a few seconds,

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<v Speaker 4>so one of us has to press the button again

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<v Speaker 4>to talk, and the man on the other end keeps

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<v Speaker 4>pressing that button like he really wants to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I ask, be you sure you're not one of the

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<v Speaker 4>people involved in the Long River alleged international money laundering operation.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, no, but they are relatives.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't say where his relatives are right at this

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<v Speaker 4>moment that does say that police phrase came as is

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<v Speaker 4>shocked to them all. The man says his relatives are

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<v Speaker 4>innocent of what police say about them, their entrepreneurs, successful

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<v Speaker 4>business people. He says, is international politics involved, maybe some

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<v Speaker 4>racism because the people who have been arrested have Chinese heritage,

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<v Speaker 4>and the charges are not proven. He starts talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how the police announced having seized are four hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 4>dollar Mercedes. But what didn't get said was that his relatives'

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<v Speaker 4>business men dealing with millionaires and billionaires, and according to him,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't do that if you're driving around in a

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<v Speaker 4>Toyota or Rayande. He says the police only found seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars in cash during their raids, which was actually

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<v Speaker 4>a gift for a baby's first birthday. He doesn't say

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<v Speaker 4>who the baby is, only that its parents were taken away.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he means they were arrested, leaving the baby

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<v Speaker 4>waking up in the night crying for mummy and daddy.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes back to how the police were talking about

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<v Speaker 4>lavish lifestyles, including a private jet. He says they actually

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<v Speaker 4>got a deal like a subscription where they could fly

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<v Speaker 4>on private flights that would otherwise be empty, which he

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<v Speaker 4>says made it cheaper than flying with a commercial company.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently the private jet also looked better. He says, his

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<v Speaker 4>relative reputation has been tarnished. Their bank accounts have been frozen.

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<v Speaker 4>There are one hundred and fifty employees who don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if they have a future. We stand there talking for

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<v Speaker 4>what feels like half an hour. The intercom keeps cutting out,

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<v Speaker 4>but he sticks at it, pressing the button on his

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<v Speaker 4>side to keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>He keeps coming back.

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<v Speaker 4>To the point that his relatives were just business people,

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<v Speaker 4>and the police don't understand the business. Eventually, the conversation

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<v Speaker 4>comes to an end. I go to turn away. Then

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<v Speaker 4>somehow the door opens. The man I've been talking to

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<v Speaker 4>from outside the house is standing there, looking surprised, like

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<v Speaker 4>maybe he pressed the wrong button on the intercom and

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<v Speaker 4>didn't mean for the front door to open. We're face

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<v Speaker 4>to face. I reach out and shake his hand, and

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<v Speaker 4>I believe.

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<v Speaker 5>What he's told me that he's not one of the

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<v Speaker 5>people allegedly involved in this money laundy operation, meaning he's

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<v Speaker 5>just like so many people we've met during this investigation,

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<v Speaker 5>and innocent who's paid the cost of an alleged criminal

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<v Speaker 5>business operation that spans entire countries. This man was left

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<v Speaker 5>holding the baby. He says, he'll pass my name and

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<v Speaker 5>number onto his relatives.

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<v Speaker 2>They never call walking away.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that was extraordinary, and at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>it was very ordinary. Face to face, we were just

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<v Speaker 4>two people standing in the doorway of a house not

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<v Speaker 4>far from where I live. After spending months on this investigation,

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<v Speaker 4>I've ended up back in my home city. Walking to

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<v Speaker 4>my car, I look up and down the road at

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<v Speaker 4>all the houses and think about where this journey's brought us,

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<v Speaker 4>Following the money to where the police allege the trail

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<v Speaker 4>ends with ten million dollars being spent on a nice

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<v Speaker 4>house in a wide street in a leafy suburb in

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<v Speaker 4>a pleasant city.

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<v Speaker 2>Very ordinary.

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<v Speaker 4>He could be any house on any street near where

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<v Speaker 4>I live, or you do.

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<v Speaker 11>So.

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<v Speaker 4>Looking back over this entire series, we have Fionna David

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<v Speaker 4>and I got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 12>Following the money from Colombia to Mexico, the Netherlands, the UK,

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<v Speaker 12>to the UA and Australia. We found a complex and sophisticated,

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<v Speaker 12>multi billion dollar operation and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only getting stronger. If Pablo Escobar, the Colombian drug lord,

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<v Speaker 3>helped create the modern cocaine industry and.

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<v Speaker 9>He lead Colombian police unit killed Pablo Escobar in a shootout.

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<v Speaker 3>Then his death in a shootout in nineteen ninety three

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<v Speaker 3>certainly didn't kill it.

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<v Speaker 1>Columbian authorities say its message to other drug lords is

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<v Speaker 1>to surrender or.

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<v Speaker 2>You will be killed.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, production expanded in the years after and is

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<v Speaker 3>now at record highs, with.

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<v Speaker 4>People living in our two countries Australia and the UK,

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<v Speaker 4>the top two highest cocaine users in the world. In Colombia,

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<v Speaker 4>I saw how government policy of trying to stop the

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<v Speaker 4>industry by cracking down on cocaine supply just isn't working.

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<v Speaker 12>When alas May let I arrive at their cinic, I

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<v Speaker 12>create so much, but I.

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<v Speaker 5>Am the only people who really lose out are the

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<v Speaker 5>farmers and the cops send to enforce this policy, who

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<v Speaker 5>don't always come back.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say to May that forgive them.

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<v Speaker 5>In Mexico, I learned its demand that drives the cocaine business.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm down here here in a Naco tunnel.

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<v Speaker 4>We're about eighty minutes from the Mexican border, and to

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<v Speaker 4>be honest, it's just quite frightening.

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<v Speaker 5>There's some timber today with a drug multiplying in value

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<v Speaker 5>as it moves through each stage of the supply chain.

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<v Speaker 3>In the port of Rotterdam, the cocaine industry is now

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<v Speaker 3>so vast it uses the same shipping containers as any

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<v Speaker 3>other global business would to move its product. The industry

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<v Speaker 3>corrupts everything it touches.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a big problem in the bort of Rotterdam

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<v Speaker 2>with cocaine.

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<v Speaker 3>From port workers to gang leaders who have no regulator

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<v Speaker 3>to turn to, so end up building themselves a torture

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<v Speaker 3>chamber to adjudicate their business disputes.

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<v Speaker 6>Sounds like what the fuck a torture sellers.

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<v Speaker 12>In Merseyside, the same violence spills out onto the streets

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<v Speaker 12>where cocaine is bought and sold, with vival gangs at

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<v Speaker 12>war and innocent people suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never go on there because you know what's from

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<v Speaker 2>the wood church.

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<v Speaker 12>I met other people prayed on because of their innocence

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<v Speaker 12>or naivety.

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<v Speaker 11>I couldn't believe how much it was.

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<v Speaker 12>He became cash mules.

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<v Speaker 10>And I thought, what the fuck have I got myself into?

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<v Speaker 12>Carrying money over international boarders, exploiting differences between countries' regulations

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<v Speaker 12>in Dubai while undercover. Some of the money might be

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<v Speaker 12>for like drugs in the UK. I learned how that

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<v Speaker 12>money can be traded through gold or through different accounting structures.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually said al Filaci on there, but it's clearly him,

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<v Speaker 3>He's clearly him.

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<v Speaker 4>And then at home in Melbourne I found with police

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<v Speaker 4>alage some of the profits of the money lauding operation

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<v Speaker 4>are spent on a house that looks like a spaceship.

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<v Speaker 4>And Mitt Kirsty, the Federal Police Assistant commissioner, who said,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we.

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<v Speaker 1>Can risk our way out of this at all.

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<v Speaker 12>If that is true, what can we do instead. Maybe

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<v Speaker 12>it's about looking at the cocaine problem differently in the

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<v Speaker 12>way we've approached in this series. As a business, it's

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<v Speaker 12>just a commodity that has to go from H tob

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<v Speaker 12>By following the money, law enforcement can find new ways

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<v Speaker 12>to disrupt the cocaine industry and its kingpins.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually try to disrupt the whole business model. We

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<v Speaker 1>look at the k enablers of what it constitutes a

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<v Speaker 1>business structures.

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<v Speaker 12>By learning how each link in the supply chain works,

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<v Speaker 12>you can identify its weaknesses but also its strengths. It's

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<v Speaker 12>not good enough to tackle it within state borders. Governments

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<v Speaker 12>and countries need to work together.

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<v Speaker 3>We know there's no easy answers, but we also know

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<v Speaker 3>from personal experience of covering these crimes and those impacted

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<v Speaker 3>by them, that governments have spent billions over the decades

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<v Speaker 3>on the drug war and they're still not winning.

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<v Speaker 13>Only omadors be sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And you shall love it early.

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<v Speaker 13>We need school of gospel.

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<v Speaker 5>At the scene where she was killed, Ellie's family came

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 5>to lay flowers for a woman they so deeply loved.

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<v Speaker 3>Those running the cocaine business are as dynamic, roofless and

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<v Speaker 3>motivated as any successful capitalist, able to respond at speed

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<v Speaker 3>to market pressures in a way that government agencies and

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<v Speaker 3>lawmakers simply can't. And fundamentally, the demand for what they're

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<v Speaker 3>selling cocaine isn't going anywhere. So maybe dealing with cocaine

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<v Speaker 3>ing on these terms like a business, like the business

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<v Speaker 3>it is, we can find a new approach.

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<v Speaker 13>This is not a video game, this is real life.

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<v Speaker 13>You go to a fucking pupmar Christmas Eve with a

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<v Speaker 13>machine gules if it was someone going there with a

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 13>baseball bat and have a grievance with someone. That's standards.

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 13>That happens every weekend. But you go somewhere with the

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<v Speaker 13>machine matter when it is you go on, it's kill someone.

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<v Speaker 3>Cocaine Inc. Was a joint investigation from The Times, The

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday Times and News Corp Australia. The reporters were David Collins,

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<v Speaker 3>Steven Drill and me Fiona Hamilton. The series was produced

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<v Speaker 3>by Sam Chanterassak, with additional production by Andrea tz Evanson.

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<v Speaker 3>The executive producers were Will Row and Dan Box. Audio

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<v Speaker 3>production and editing was by Jasper Leak, original music by

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Birchall, Social and video by Kissie Bray, Sho Burrow,

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<v Speaker 3>Vanessa Graham and Chelsea Hardiman. Our legal team were Peter Samer,

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Murray and Stephen Coombs. The compliance editor was Claire Telford.

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<v Speaker 3>The UK production manager was Oliver Adamson. In Australia, the

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<v Speaker 3>project was overseen by Lillian Salagh. In the UK, it

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<v Speaker 3>was overseen by Cap Ford, the executive producer of The

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<v Speaker 3>Times Daily podcast the Story. The head of Times Podcast

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<v Speaker 3>is Tim Level and in Australia the podcast team was

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<v Speaker 3>run by Shannon Hollis. But that's not quite the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the series. We have two more bonus episodes still

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<v Speaker 3>to come. In the first, David sits down with Stephen me,

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<v Speaker 3>a former international cocaine smuggler, to talk about his wild

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<v Speaker 3>ride with the Colombian cartels and why he left it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll be sitting down with David and Stephen to

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<v Speaker 3>answer your questions about the series. Don't forget to send

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<v Speaker 3>an email to Cocaine Inc. At The Times dot co

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<v Speaker 3>dot uk, or get in touch with us directly. Our

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<v Speaker 3>social media handles are in the show notes for the series.