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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been forty eight hours laying in my

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Speaker 1: a casserole. What what? What have you got? What's wrong

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Speaker 2: haks Like I drove. I got tired after our last podcast,

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Speaker 3: Clinically speaking, Yeah, you're screwed. But God is this this

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Speaker 3: But we picked that up when we're young, don't we.

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Speaker 1: love a canna tuna. Ta give me toast with honey,

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Speaker 3: I'm excellent better than cookie. That's a fact. And I

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Speaker 3: you well, might hug you. You come good soon, Tiff.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly how I set it up to live this life.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's really cool now to see some great

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Speaker 3: But fortunately, fortunately nobody died in the making of those

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Speaker 3: We didn't have a lot to do with each other,

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Speaker 3: And I've just grown up with all this. Whereas I'm

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Speaker 3: That's right, It's a learned behavior, isn't it. So whatever

431
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 3: we're learning is our level of resilience or lack of

432
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: because we learn, okay, we fall over or just have

433
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: to put behind up or make enough noise and Mum's

434
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 3: going to pick me up. Yeah, I can make all

435
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 3: the noise in the world. Mum's so exactly something. And

436
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: that's why I say I recond Mum got the raw

437
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: end because her sister and sisters would say to her, oh,

438
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 3: you bitch, pick him up. He's only got one leg

439
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: and one would be like hearing this from her loved

440
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: ones and she's got nah. He's got to learn to

441
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: do it without it, without me. And you just think,

442
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: what a courageous woman to stand up to the people

443
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 3: that fucking pointing you out and calling you out for

444
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 3: not being there for your kids, because none of us

445
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 3: want that. But her vision and view of how to

446
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: raise me was, in my opinion, hands down better that

447
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: I could possibly have asked for.

448
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey mate. For those of our listeners who

449
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: don't know anything about your sporting background, can you just

450
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: give us like a little bit of a two minutes,

451
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes, as much or as little as you want.

452
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Where did the sporting career start, what did it look like?

453
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: And can you give us a little bit of this

454
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: is your life of your sporting career just and then

455
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: I might weave a few questions in yeah, I.

456
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 3: Made I was pretty fortunate. I was born without the

457
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: below half my leg, and then that meant that the

458
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: same opportunities weren't going to exist for me as they

459
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: were for my brother. What I didn't realize is that

460
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: I was being raised in the same vein as my brother,

461
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: so disabled, handicapped, special like the Paralympic Games. Although back

462
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: when I was born they weren't a big thing, but

463
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: they certainly weren't even They weren't a welcome thing in

464
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: our house. My parents weren't looking for that. They said, mane,

465
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: you'll play footy. Just go down play footy with your brother.

466
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: And that's what I did.

467
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: So I grew up in an able bodied world, but

468
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: always being a bit pissed off that I couldn't keep

469
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: up like I was alway. And then people would make

470
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: excuses for me, Oh, it's okay, you've got one leg.

471
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: I go. I fucking no one got one leg. But

472
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 3: I still want to win that race, you know. So

473
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: there's that little bit of mongol that sort of creeps

474
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: in because you just you've got to fight a little

475
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: bit harder. And then a couple of my mates at

476
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: high school said to me mate, why don't you go

477
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: to the Paralympics. And I'd never heard of them. And

478
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: when they told me that the Paralympics stand for parallel

479
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 3: to the Olympics, I started getting a bit excited because

480
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: I've heard stories about the village and I thought this

481
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: could be all right. And then they and they said

482
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: that the Olympics overseas, and so if that's the case,

483
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: so of the Paralympics, And I just thought, how would

484
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: would that be to go overseas? Mate? So I'm from Tokamo.

485
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: Tokomo had twelve hundred and a half people made I

486
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: was the half like I am, thinking this is gonna

487
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: be awesome. So I went home and I said to

488
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 3: my man mom and Dad, I shit, you're not. I

489
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: still remember it like it was yesterday.

490
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: I walked in.

491
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: I put my bag, my school bag on the ground.

492
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 3: Mum's peeling spuds at the sink. Dad's standing behind her,

493
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 3: grope and her holding her up, and I said, Mom, Dad,

494
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the Paralympics. But Dad said,

495
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: you're going to go the what and what was really

496
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: interesting is Mum stoped peeling spuds and Dad stopped groping

497
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: mump and they both looked at me and said.

498
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: You're going to go to the war.

499
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: I said to the Paralympics and Dad said what are they?

500
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: And I said, oh, they're games for disabled people. Shit,

501
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 3: you're not My dad said you're not bloody disabled, and

502
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: I thought, there goes my te overseas. So I had

503
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: to convince mom and Dad that I was disabled, and

504
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: sadly didn't take that long, but I got to go

505
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: to my first ever. We'd got the Yellow Pages out,

506
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: we looked up amputees and MPT Association. I was living

507
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: tokenmar to New South Wales. Found the New South Wales

508
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: empt Championships. Said fuck, that's in Sydney. Let's see if

509
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: we can go to the Victoria once because I've come

510
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 3: down here to get my legs made in Melbourne. It's

511
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: only three hours. And they said, nah, you're a New

512
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: South Wales athlete. We don't want anything to do with you.

513
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: You belong up there. So we rang Robin Howe, who

514
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: was a president of the New South Wales Empt Championships,

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: went up to Sydney, competed in my first ever New

516
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: South Wales Empte Championships and that was half So I shoot,

517
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: you not it was WHOA, what like is this? But

518
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: I went up there. My parents ran a public swimming pool.

519
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: I can swim reasonably well. I went up there to

520
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: swim in five events, and I thought I was bloody

521
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: win everything. I thought, I'm not really disabled. I'm going

522
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: to swim against disabled people. I've got this. And I

523
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: looked around. Here's all these people missing and missing legs.

524
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: And I've never seen me shit before, never like. The

525
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: most I've seen is maybe one or two other amputees

526
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: at the leg joint, not a whole bloody group of them.

527
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: And I thought, wow, bloody a bunch of freaks. I thought, oh,

528
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: I've got you lot. Oh but yeah, And and then

529
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 3: I went in the five events and I won too,

530
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: but in the other three I got my ass kicked.

531
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: At that point, that was the turning point for me,

532
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: my entire life to be honest, not just for me,

533
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: but for mom and dad, because their perception of what

534
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: they had been told about disabled and disability and handicap

535
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: and people that weren't like everybody else was flipped on

536
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: its head. All of a sudden. This shit was hard,

537
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: and if I was going to make it, that sort

538
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 3: of seemed to be music to my dad's ears. He

539
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: liked the fact that it wasn't going to be walking

540
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: the park, you know, like if I was going to

541
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: make it, I'd have to earn it. And so after

542
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: that I really got stuck into swimming, and I tried

543
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: out for at the national championships for the nineteen ninety

544
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: two Barcelona Paralympic Games, and I missed out by one spot.

545
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: And at the time of sixteen, and I was fucking filthy.

546
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: I thought, like, I've broken national records. I was ringing

547
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: up Mom and Dad. I was staying there at Parkville

548
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: and I was ringing them up every day.

549
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Oh, national record fifty four hundred and three. And things

550
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: were going pretty good.

551
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: And at the end of the games, I announced the teams,

552
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: and when I missed out, I just thought, fuck you,

553
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: and Dad come down picked me up. Everybody else is

554
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 3: going out to celebrate that night, and we're driving home

555
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: and I said, Dad.

556
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: Stuff quit.

557
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: I've had enough, mate. He said, what do you mean

558
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: you quit? I said, I've retired.

559
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm done.

560
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: He said, you're fucking sixteenth. You're a bit young to retire.

561
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: How about you have another crack. And so next year

562
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: I went to the Stage Champs and I did swimming

563
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: and athletics. I come back from there with ten gold medals.

564
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: I thought, this is I'm back.

565
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: I love this.

566
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: And I had the very very good fortune to speak

567
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: to one of the head coaches, Chris Nunn, and he said, mate,

568
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: if you had a real opportunity to represent the country,

569
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: what was like to do either swimming or athletics, Because

570
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get serious because the great athletes

571
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: that make these teams they don't do facking everything. You

572
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: might be good at everything, but at that level you

573
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: won't make it. And I said, I'd rather do athletics.

574
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: He said why. I said, because the guys who are

575
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: athletics are having more fun. I said, at home in

576
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: the middle of winter, our swimming pool's cold and green

577
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: and slimy. At least if I'm doing athletics, I can

578
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: play footy and still get fit. So that was the

579
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: start of my athletic career. I spent the next well

580
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: a couple of years training mass off. I was fortunate

581
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: to make the Atlanta Paralympic Games, and then I ended

582
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: up with four World Championships and three Paralympic Games, a

583
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: couple of World Cups and Commonwealth Games, and I spent

584
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: the best part of twenty years representing the country, you know,

585
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: just playing sport. And it's never been wasted on me

586
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: that I played sport. You know, I didn't save lives.

587
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: I've got to travel the world here, I had to

588
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: raise money and stuff along the way. But I've literally

589
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: filled four passports, you know, I'm on my fifth through

590
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 3: just having them filled up with stamps because I'm in

591
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: another country to run or to push a shot pull

592
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: or throw a discu It's like, how good is that?

593
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Like?

594
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: Just very fortunate. And the event that I'd chose was

595
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: the pentathlon and often hear people say, oh, the event

596
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: chooses you, and that bang on. I was never great

597
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: at any one thing, but I was reasonably good at

598
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: five and so which stacks up when you you know,

599
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when you go over

600
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: one medal, you need to be able to put a

601
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: really shit performance behind you really quickly and reset. And

602
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: fortunately for me, maybe it's kid growing up, I had

603
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: a very strong mental approach to things. I was able

604
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: to compartmentalize things really quickly and not take the bad

605
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: chi into the next event, but to reset and go

606
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: again and that served me really well.

607
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Most of the time, Sydney wasn't so well. I had.

608
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: I finished fourth in Atlanta and the Pentathlon, I'd finish

609
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: fourth at the World Champs in ninety eight. My goal

610
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: was to win a medal in my home country at

611
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: the Sydney Games. In two thousand, I thought this is it.

612
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: I went out at the Sydney Games. I was in

613
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: after the first two events. After the first three events,

614
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: I was sitting in the silver medal position. I was

615
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: sitting decon, only behind the current world champion. And then

616
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: I went into the discus and as you line up,

617
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: if you've paid much attention to athletics, when you're lining

618
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: up and you're about to go into your event, the

619
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: cameraman goes along the line and the announcer says, oh,

620
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: we've got Thomas Bourgeois from America and Urst colleague from Switzerland,

621
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: and I've got Don Elgen, And instead of the camera

622
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: being on me, the cameraman had found my wife and

623
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: my two year old daughter and the rest of the

624
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: Don Elgon cheersquad in the crowd, and Thomas was beside

625
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: me goes, haven't got the big screen and looked up

626
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: on the big screen and here's my little girl with

627
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: her go Dad shirt on, and I just lost my shit.

628
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: It was I'm getting joked now. I was so emotional,

629
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: it was that this is I don't even need to

630
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: throw the discus. This is the best moment of my life.

631
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm at the pinnacle of sport, and I've got

632
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: the people that give a shit about me right there.

633
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: So I had three throws of discus that day with tears.

634
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: I was crying the entire way and so fucking get

635
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: it together and I couldn't. I emotionally wasn't ready for

636
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: the impact. And then I dropped from second into third

637
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: and it's like, fuck, I'm gonna blame Earth for that

638
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life, but anyway, I better

639
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: get that shit sorted. So I went into the last event,

640
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: which was the four hundred meters, and I knew I

641
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: had to beat the American by six seconds, and if

642
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: I could do that, then I'd get my first ever

643
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: parentl pick metal, which would be a bronze. I'd have

644
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: to do some pretty crazy shit in the four hundred,

645
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: and honestly I had at the four hundred, so it

646
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: wasn't likely I was going to do anything super amazing

647
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: in that event, and fortunately I did. I'd beat the

648
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: American and I ended up with a bronze medal, you

649
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: know in my home country.

650
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Week Wow.

651
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: So when you see people in the bronze his body

652
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: jumping around, they're really excited, probably sometimes more than silver

653
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: and maybe even gold. That's sometimes why I mate is

654
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: because what it means to get there.

655
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I love that, mate. That's so good. And

656
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: that story about your little girl you did, I read

657
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: you've got four kids? How old are they? Yeah?

658
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: So my little girl's now twenty six year old nurse

659
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: who works in the Royal Melbourne and it's you know,

660
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: she did her work experience at the place that makes

661
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: my legs. So when you think about that connection and

662
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: what they're picking up by looking at me and my

663
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: wife and the people around them, you know, if you're

664
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: a care then that's what you do. So and then

665
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: I've got a twenty three year old twenty two, I'll

666
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: get the fucker they have birthdays.

667
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm good for a.

668
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: Full year saying this is how old they are. Then

669
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: they go and have a birthday and it starts my

670
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: little routine. How dare they? George and she's living her

671
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: best life. Mate. She's an ambassador for an energy drink,

672
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: drives around body Love and matt and works in the

673
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 3: corporate boxes, which just her people skills. Her ability to

674
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: be able to talk to people and just go, mate,

675
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: that is probably the greatest asset today for anybody that

676
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: can actually speak with their mouth. And I get that

677
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: not everybody is verbal and they can't all do that,

678
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: but the nation and the globe is moving towards speaking

679
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: with your thumbs and the ability this will never get old,

680
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: the ability to sit down and have a chat. And

681
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: she has that, which is bloody awesome. I've got my

682
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: third born, my little midget. She's she is now just

683
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: eighteen to eighteen last week and finish year twelve, and

684
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: so she's not sure what she's up to yet, which

685
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: is bloody exciting part time job. And then the boy,

686
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 3: the Golden Child as I like to refer to him

687
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: as he's he literally just finishes grade six this year

688
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: and he's off to high school next year. So yeah,

689
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: things things are good in the olden camp.

690
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Well, mate, it must be a bloody it must be

691
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: a circus at your joint periodically.

692
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: I guess they're not all at home now though not now,

693
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: but during COVID, I had Nutto and her fiance Bill

694
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: living in our house. So we had Evan in our

695
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: house during COVID. And we made the call after about

696
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: the fucking fifteenth lockdown that what is what's going to

697
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: be our reflection of COVID. How are we going to

698
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: you know, when we look back, what's it going to mean?

699
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: And I thought, you know what, my kids are going

700
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 3: to remember that we had good fun. So Nada, oh,

701
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: my firstborn, it was her job to create the game.

702
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: So we'd have Elgin Olympics in our house most days

703
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: and it was like sometimes it was just Boddy throwing

704
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: m and ms into a bowl or sliding a coin

705
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 3: or you know. So she'd come up with games each

706
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: each day for us, which was awesome. I come up

707
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: with a game and they reckon that I probably should

708
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: be off the games. Mine was to get the little

709
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: you know, the little mobile vacuums that just do their

710
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: own thing around the house. Well, I got everyone to

711
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 3: blow up a balloon and put it between their feet,

712
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: and then I strapped a knife to the vacuum and

713
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 3: just whoever's balloon got popped last, they were the winner,

714
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: but the kids reckon. I was probably trying to recruit

715
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: them into being emput so I didn't get much of

716
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: a gig to pick games after that.

717
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: No, it's not death. No, I think it's great that

718
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: Dad's strapped a knife to the fucking vacuum. What could

719
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: go wrong?

720
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: But you could move. I mean we're just told don't move,

721
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: but you can. I mean you've got to use a

722
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: bit of con sense too. If it's coming at you,

723
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: get out of the way.

724
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: So I want to let's talk a little bit about mindset.

725
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you start. So I'm stumbling towards the

726
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: finish line and my doctorate in psychology, and so I'm

727
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: always talking just like you were talking. I guess a

728
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: lot about mindset and thinking and motivation, inspiration, fucking self management,

729
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: like how do I manage? How do I get the

730
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: most out of me? Are you like in terms of

731
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: you like the guy that we're seeing now, the high energy,

732
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: optimistic realist. Is that your default setting or is that

733
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: something that you've had to hone and develop and build?

734
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? Mate, absolutely in the ladder it's my default now.

735
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: And my dad would say to me when we're young, Mate,

736
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: if you tell someone they're a dickhead, long enough, they'll

737
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: believe it. I thought, fuck it, why would I want

738
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: to tell myself I'm a dickhead? Like, why don't I

739
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 3: tell myself life is awesome? So I would tell myself

740
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: every time, all the time, whenever good, bad or otherwise,

741
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: especially when things were shit, Our life's awesome. I fucking

742
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: find another way. Life is awesome. Don't forget life is awesome.

743
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: And so I programmed myself to think like that. And

744
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: then what I'd started doing is I started getting feedback

745
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: from society. People go, oh, what do you want? You know,

746
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: what are you having? I want with your having a

747
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: fucking life? How good is this?

748
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Life's awesome?

749
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I think out of fault setting

750
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: because of what we look up and see is the news,

751
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: and it's negative. And there's more that we create space

752
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: and we enable pessimism to come in and hold way

753
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: too much ground in our life. And I go, it's there.

754
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: The leg's not going back, but there's one good one.

755
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: If we chop that one off, you know what, I'll

756
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: probably get a fucking wheelchair mine having an electric one

757
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: and suit that up. So there's always a way to

758
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: look at things in a different line, and I just

759
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: choose that. I've seen people that that have succumb and

760
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: agreed that life's hard and it's negative. It's like, fuck,

761
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: how do you carry that weight around with you all day?

762
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: The burden that is on your shoulders looking to find

763
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: something that's wrong in the world. Like when when you

764
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: choose that? Nah, you know, like you can choose the

765
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: default setting that suits you. And for me, I'm a

766
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 3: helper mate. I ride a motorbike. I see something broke down.

767
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: I was luck Believers. You need a hand people, It

768
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: freaks some people out there. Go you're the RSV. You

769
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: got to equiply go. Nah, made on just a country

770
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: bike right a home. I'm already wet. You're broke down?

771
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: Do you need my phone?

772
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: Like?

773
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: And you know what it does? It fucking makes me

774
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: feel good. It makes me feel like I'm actually contributed today.

775
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: I might not have made any money, I might not

776
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: have done, but a buddy, I've helped somebody. And if

777
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: somebody helps one of my people one day when I

778
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: can't be there for them, bloody awesome. Massive believer Craig

779
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: of what goes around comes around, And I see it.

780
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: I just figured, well, if what goes around is me

781
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: putting good shit out, then what should come around is

782
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: good shit coming my way. And somebody said to me,

783
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: I think it was just today, this is how you

784
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: feeling lucky. I said, bloody, I don't I'm lucky. You know,

785
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: I am very lucky. I'm very very fortunate good stuff

786
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: happens to me. I'm not even willing to open the

787
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: can and say, nah, I never win anything, but that

788
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: if you never win anything, what have you just told

789
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: the universe You're not going to win?

790
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: Not me. You know what I like the most, and.

791
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: This is how I use it in my sporting career

792
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: is the medals at the Parlem became the Parallemer. Games

793
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: do not come engraved quite simply is because they don't

794
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: know who's going to win them. The blueprint for the

795
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: future is not written. So I figure, fuck it, let's

796
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: ride ourselves into it. I've got no more ride than

797
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: any other person lining up on the games, apart from

798
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: the fact that I've pictured myself having a crack. I've

799
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: done the training I needed to do. I am going

800
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: to do whatever I can to put myself in the

801
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: best possible position. Every now and then I find myself going, Okay,

802
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: I'm going down the wrong track reload, And that's why

803
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: you need that really strong network. But my default setting

804
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: now is of my choosing, and that is that life's

805
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: awesome and I want to stay there, and when I'm

806
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: not there, I try and get back there as soon

807
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: as again.

808
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very much kind of of the hangout with

809
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: people who drag you up mindset and also be the

810
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: person that drags others up. You know, it's it's hanging

811
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: out with energy vampires is a hard gig. Ah, come on, bro,

812
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: you know you've still got a care And I'm like, dude,

813
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: this is like emotional quicks And every time I talk

814
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: to you, and I'm not talking about someone with mental

815
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: health issues necessarily, just someone with a fucking toxic attitude,

816
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, God sake some Now this new sport

817
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: that we're not talking about, No, this new sport that

818
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: you're training for, grasshopper, are we thinking that at you're

819
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: what are you seventy four? Now?

820
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: At your no?

821
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: How old are you? Actually?

822
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm right now today and this shit changes in two weeks.

823
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: I'm forty eight today, right, So get your head on this. Yeah,

824
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: this is my plan. I've got a real good made

825
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: of mind. And she was at the same three games

826
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: I compared to in Atlanta, ninety six, Sydney, in Athens,

827
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: and we were just I went over to Paris this

828
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: year I scored a little gig hosting a commercial. I

829
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 3: did a one of my other mates and there's about

830
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: a little core group. It was about five or six

831
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: of us that have been really good mates throughout our career,

832
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: and a couple of them were commentating at the games

833
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: and she was sitting at Hunger. Well, you fuck is

834
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: involved in doing shit and I'm not doing anything. She goes,

835
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 3: I reckon, I need to do something. So I sat

836
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: out with her at the end and said what do

837
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: you want to do? And she goes, I don't know,

838
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: And I thought, well, fucking this is not a really

839
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: good start. We need to have some sort of concept.

840
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: And then we both sort of hit the point with it.

841
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 3: What sort of rare group of humans would be able

842
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: to compete at two home games? And so you know,

843
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: you can do one or two or three paralym bigs

844
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: and it's people have done four, five, six and seven.

845
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: That's a rare group.

846
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: But how how small must the pool be of athletes

847
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: that have competed in two home games, and we've got

848
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 3: Bridgbane coming up in twenty thirty two, and we both

849
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: compete in Sydney, and it's like, fuck, you know what,

850
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: that's only eight years away, like that like that is

851
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: nothing in the scheme I reckon. So and then we

852
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: looked at it and go, okay, let's be real, because you know,

853
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: we do a lot of speaking and we help people

854
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: with goal setting and different ways to do it. I

855
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: have a very simple goal setting philosophy. I just put

856
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: it like a ladder, and the very first thing I

857
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 3: do is go, where are we right now? What are

858
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: all the facts that we're dealing with, you know, oldie

859
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 3: injuredy fucking driven?

860
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: What's the story? What's the real?

861
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: And then you know, what do you want to aim

862
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: for me? I would just go, now, let's say for

863
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: the top, let's actually have a crack at the very

864
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: best thing, the biggest, because why not, and then just

865
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: work back and put the steps into play. So if

866
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm to go to the Paralympic Games in in eight

867
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: years time, and then that means that I need to

868
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: be at a Paralympic Games in four years to get there,

869
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: I need to fill probably a couple of world champs

870
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: in between that. Before that, I need to be at

871
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: a nationals. I need to be at a state. Okay,

872
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to need a local club. And right there's

873
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 3: the fucking map. Right now, we've worked backwards, we've sort

874
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: of out. Now, let's take one step and just focus

875
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: on that step. We'll nail that one and then we

876
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: either come back and reload or we take the next

877
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: step whatever we're at. And so really simple philosophy. But

878
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: mine now, when I sat down and had a look

879
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: at the now, mine now excluded me being super physical

880
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: to go and paddle a boat or you know, to

881
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: run a marathon.

882
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Couldn't be fucked.

883
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 3: My body. It's done what it needed to to get

884
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: me to this point. But there's still plenty in the

885
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: tank for me to go. I could still get strong enough.

886
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: Maybe I could get strong enough to hold a gun.

887
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I could get strong enough to do a sport

888
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: that requires a different skill set, like a mental game,

889
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: because I'm probably stronger there than I am physically in

890
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: my in my legs, my arm. Now, so anyway, that's

891
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: where we're looking in that space. My friend and it's

892
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: fucking exciting.

893
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see what I wrote

894
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: helps hang on, I'll just tell you down the bottom

895
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: of my page. I wrote, Paris shooter, you know that

896
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: old dude, And because I was trying to guess the

897
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: sport and I'm thinking, well, it's not going to be

898
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: fucking Greco Roman wrestling or high jump because he's going

899
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: to be fifty six ish at the that's my all

900
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: over again? Not enough?

901
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well he got twenty million for just lasting,

902
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: so it ain't the worst gig I would yeah, I dude,

903
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: I would have just jobbed around the ring for four

904
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: rounds now.

905
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: I would have worn him out in that time. Yeah yeah, yeah,

906
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: tiff wol to beat him though. No, but yeah, like that,

907
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: that is that's interesting, have you? And I thought I

908
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: thought maybe shooting, and I was thinking of that. Where

909
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: was he from? Do you remember where he was from?

910
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: That shit? Was he actually French or was he from Italian?

911
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: And he shot in jeans and a T shirt and

912
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: his hand.

913
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: In his pocket.

914
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't use the normal bloody super duper sights

915
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: or that he did.

916
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: All the other Olympians just doing everybody you know, doing

917
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: the poses and ship. It was pretty cool, like that's

918
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: a you know, when you see that sort of stuff,

919
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: you just go like it's one out of the bag.

920
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: You know, I must've been our stuff. It might probably

921
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: be air rifle shooting, so it's not you know, the

922
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: clay target, not the cool shit, but still, you know

923
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: it's I think for me, it's about saying, is there

924
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: a possibility that something can be done? And I went

925
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: to I took the same approach into the and fourteen.

926
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: I'd been the World Champs manager team manager. In twenty eleven,

927
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: I went to London as a team manager and then

928
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: I come back from London and the head coach and

929
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: me goes, oh, mate, I was thinking about you the

930
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: other day. Fuck, that's dangerous, and he goes, one of

931
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: your events from your pentathon is on at the Commonwealth

932
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: Games in Glasgow in twenty fourteen. I said, we'll get

933
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: stuff mate, I'm eating pies. I'm done and because my

934
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: head space was finished, and he said, oh I was

935
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: the disc it said, I made this foolish mistaker saying

936
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: what was the qualifying and he told me what the

937
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: qualifying business was. I thought I could fucking do that,

938
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 3: and that's what happens in my head? It's like yes.

939
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: First and so then I rang booth my wife and

940
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: I said, mate, what do you reckon? The common Games

941
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: are in Glasgow? Do you reckon? Do you reckon? I

942
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: have a crack? And I was sort of half expecting

943
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: her to go, mate, if I can be in the

944
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: four World Champs three pound because just let it go, mate,

945
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: it's all good.

946
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: You've done it.

947
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: And she said yeah, why not? And I thought, fucking

948
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 3: game on. So I literally come out of retirement and

949
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: I chase competitions around the country. I walked into a

950
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: PTE and I said who was pt for?

951
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: My wife?

952
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: I said do you want to coach a Commonwealth Games athlete?

953
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: And he goes yeah, who? I said me, He guess

954
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: you haven't been a common Wealth Game? I said not yeah.

955
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: And then I went to my processus, who is a

956
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: discus coach as well. I said, do you want to

957
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: coach Commonth Games?

958
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I guess who?

959
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: I said me, you haven't been? I said not yeah,

960
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: and I shit you not. I qualified by the skin

961
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: and white teeth by two centimeters. I made the qualifying

962
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: and went over to Glasgow and I thought, okay, how

963
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: good is this? Mate, so, and I used. I used

964
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: the process that I thought most people had access to,

965
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: which was not to go and apply for an Institute

966
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: of Sports scholarship, which I was fortunate, I'd had one for.

967
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: Twelve years throughout my career.

968
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: Take one. And I thought, because so many people go on,

969
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: you're just so lucky. You've got everything. You've got fucking

970
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: access to massulas and physios and diet and it's true,

971
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: I do. But can the average punt I get off

972
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: their ass and go and do this? Is it possible?

973
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: And so that was what I sort of wanted to

974
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: take into more so so I could say to my

975
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: kids and say, hey, guys, fucking just don't die wondering,

976
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: have a crack. If you crash and boon stiff shit,

977
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, we're not saving lives. We're playing sport. And

978
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: so I wanted to see what was possible. And then

979
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: that is why I booked into this physio, the bill

980
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: and clinic today. And I went down and seen it

981
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 3: and said, I've just got to get a classification. And

982
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: she's going, Okay, we'll put you through all these tests

983
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: and she's got can you move this?

984
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: Do this?

985
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: And she goes she's you're strong, thank you, and I

986
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: just just fucking need a classification. And she goes, I

987
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: squeeze my hand and saying I'm used to putting shot puts, mate, like,

988
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking.

989
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: You really want me to squeeze it.

990
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: I'll go I'll fucking break your hand. I felt like,

991
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: take it easy, and she goes, no, no, I'll tell you

992
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: when to stop if I need to. And so anyway,

993
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: all the right bits are moving. We're good to get.

994
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: There's no excuse not to have a craft, mate, So

995
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: watch this space, Halves.

996
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: If I think you better come out of retirement. You

997
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: could make you first. You could make your first Olympic

998
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: team as a boxer, I mean, as a legit. Why not.

999
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: We just need to fix that nerve impingement you've got

1000
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: going on and stop throwing up for a bit. John

1001
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: might help. I made. I could talk to you for days,

1002
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: but we don't have the time and people have probably

1003
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: got shit to do. But I so love talking to you.

1004
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Know you're a natural at this. You

1005
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: know that. But you're such good talent, as we say

1006
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: in media, like, you're such good talent. It's such a fun, dude,

1007
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: You're so real and authentic. And as I said to

1008
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: you before we started rolling, we don't do any interview.

1009
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: We just have a chat, and you definitely are great

1010
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: at that. So one, I appreciate you and thank you.

1011
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: But two, how do people connect with you and find

1012
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: you and get you to come to their company for

1013
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: an obscene amount of money and inspire the masses?

1014
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: Well, my dad is bloody awesome. Firstly, thanks for having me, mate,

1015
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: I really I know you've got a full book. You've

1016
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: got a shitload of really talented people. You've got access

1017
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: to incredible people, and I'm really grateful for a chance,

1018
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: just like I was when I had the opportunity to

1019
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: have a chat with Tiff. I'm really grateful to like you,

1020
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: be surrounded by good people. It's an awesome space to

1021
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: be in. My old man said to me when I

1022
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: was young. My dam madam, what you do? Just keep

1023
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: it simple. So my website is my name, all the

1024
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: ws don elgin dot com dot au and all my

1025
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: contact details are on there. JT takes care of business

1026
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: for me. That is, Seriously. The easiest way to get

1027
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: me is straight on my website.

1028
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: You're a gun, all right, mate? Well say goodbye. Affair.

1029
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: But for the moment Superstar start shooting motherfucker, and you know,

1030
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: get yourself, get yourself in the zone sun because I'll

1031
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: be cheering your motherfucker.

1032
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: I can see that new T shirt I got Legli

1033
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: and Donnie and he started shooting motherfucker.

1034
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: That's right. That's going to be probably on new motto

1035
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: and you can I'll take ten percent royalties. I bet

1036
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: if you got that on a T shirt, start shooting

1037
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker with your name just underneath and sell like hotcakes.

1038
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: We're not going to die on wondering. Keep an eye

1039
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: on eBay next week, mate, we'll have another website.

1040
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: All right, mate, we'll say goodbye Affair, but for now,

1041
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: thanks buddy, right to mate, Take care bye