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Speaker 2: Welcome to Roll with the Punches, Tiffany.
Speaker 1: Great to be here. Thanks for the opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: to you and your followers and your zoomers whoever however
Speaker 1: they connect to her. Good to have the opportunities to talk.
Speaker 1: We've had a couple of chats, and I love what
Speaker 1: you do and I love the way you think. So
Speaker 1: I'm quite up to talking about all things about Rolling
Speaker 1: with the Punches.
Speaker 2: I've only got one concern and I've been thinking about
Speaker 2: a bit and I'm like, oh this, I just I
Speaker 2: just hope this doesn't happen. I just don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to get you to really
Speaker 2: loosen up and talk very much.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm a little well, I'm a little bit shyy,
Speaker 1: just just a fraction shot.
Speaker 2: We connected through through networking business networking, and you're one
Speaker 2: of those people that are just super You weren't at
Speaker 2: the first one that I attended, but you are of
Speaker 2: those people that feel really familiar and appealing and likable
Speaker 2: from the get going. By the third time, I reckon
Speaker 2: it was second or third time, I can't even remember
Speaker 2: that I'd listen to you have a band. I was like,
Speaker 2: I just I got to sit down with this bloke.
Speaker 2: I've got to have a coffee, I've got to talk,
Speaker 2: I've got to shoot the breeze one on one. And
Speaker 2: we did that, and I could have sat there for
Speaker 2: a week while.
Speaker 1: I think I think we had about forty five minutes
Speaker 1: in the door and I think it was an hour
Speaker 1: and a half. So I was quite happy, quite happy
Speaker 1: to the chat to you too. And I think now
Speaker 1: you might not have noticed I'm a little bit older
Speaker 1: than you. You might not have noticed that. But what
Speaker 1: I love is what I love is I don't want
Speaker 1: to go to the old people's home. I don't to
Speaker 1: mix with hundreds of old people. I love dealing with
Speaker 1: young people like yourself and or younger, whichever way you
Speaker 1: want to take it, and get your view on the
Speaker 1: present world, because I think it keeps me young. So
Speaker 1: great to have the opportunity.
Speaker 2: Again, You've made a great point. I have this theory.
Speaker 2: I already had this theory for Engom, my first boss
Speaker 2: when I first got a job at seventeen. She was
Speaker 2: sixty four, and I used to look at her and say,
Speaker 2: because she hangs out with all us young people at work,
Speaker 2: us younger girls, she was so young at heart, right,
Speaker 2: it kept her young. So I have sprouted that little
Speaker 2: little observation ever since. But last year, sometime I took
Speaker 2: stock of some of my closest friends and mentors and
Speaker 2: people that I spend a lot of time with, and
Speaker 2: little did I realize that quite a lot of them
Speaker 2: were almost sixty or beyond, so quite significantly older than me.
Speaker 2: Yet they feel like a pack of kids. Look I
Speaker 2: feel like a kid. I definitely think they are like
Speaker 2: a kid. And then I thought to myself. That doesn't
Speaker 2: really ring true with that theory. I've been sprouting my
Speaker 2: whole life that you've got to hang out with younger
Speaker 2: people to keep you young.
Speaker 1: But when you're young, you know you're already are young, right,
Speaker 1: so you're younger, so you're right there. But yeah, when
Speaker 1: you get to the you know, tony a number, But
Speaker 1: I'm sixty seven, so excuse me, I'm going to swear
Speaker 1: I can be I can officially be a grumpy of
Speaker 1: bastard there, right, that's why I could. You're alad to
Speaker 1: get there, not that I'd get it, but you're had
Speaker 1: to get the bench and allowed I sort of retire,
Speaker 1: allowed it. And I keep saying no, no, no, life
Speaker 1: too short even if and this you know this one
Speaker 1: of my philosophies. Life is short and then you die.
Speaker 1: Now that's it. That's there, And you can layer anything
Speaker 1: else on that, right, you can put your beliefs and
Speaker 1: your world and all that, but that's a fact. You know,
Speaker 1: life is short and then you die. And if you
Speaker 1: live to be one hundred in the history of the world,
Speaker 1: that's just a blink. So why why do you spend
Speaker 1: your time being negative? Why do you spend your time
Speaker 1: being aggressive? Why do you spend your time, you know,
Speaker 1: being old or getting older growing? So I'm really big
Speaker 1: on you know, while you've got your time on earth,
Speaker 1: do the best you can. And I think you know
Speaker 1: you're content of rolling with the punches are really resonated
Speaker 1: with me because it's the fact that if you've never
Speaker 1: made a mistake, you really haven't been doing much. Have
Speaker 1: you never have been trying things? So is it a
Speaker 1: mistake that you dwell and oh my god? Or is
Speaker 1: it somebody I learned from that? What do I learn
Speaker 1: from that? What would I do different next time? What
Speaker 1: am I going to do different next time? So rolling
Speaker 1: with the is a really really important thing of your
Speaker 1: day to life. And you know, I live I live
Speaker 1: on sort of. I suppose confidence, conviction and courage is
Speaker 1: one of the things I talk to people about having
Speaker 1: confidence in something, having conviction of about it, and have
Speaker 1: the confidence to have a go with it. And I
Speaker 1: really think that, you know, you really have to attack life.
Speaker 1: I suppose that's the best way to do it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I really get a lot of I get a
Speaker 1: lot of joy out of building people up and helping
Speaker 1: building people up. And I just I don't like to
Speaker 1: deal with people who build themselves up by cutting other
Speaker 1: people down, and a lot of that in the modern world.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've got to I've got to be
Speaker 1: I've got to be really important on Instagram. I've got
Speaker 1: to be really important the world. And if I get
Speaker 1: there on my own volition, great, but if I get
Speaker 1: there by cutting other people a down or to go, look, really,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to know you, So you know,
Speaker 1: for your life with good people, and now I know
Speaker 1: sometimes you've got to deal with hardships, and people have hardships,
Speaker 1: and another whole thing about the mental health issues and
Speaker 1: a lot of young people, what a lot of people
Speaker 1: have got and you have to help those people. But
Speaker 1: part of that is building them up, not cutting them down,
Speaker 1: you know, help them getting through the problems that they have.
Speaker 1: And I just know that I've dealt with some people
Speaker 1: at the time being very thankful that I've had that
Speaker 1: philosophy of my life that I've been trying to build
Speaker 1: them up and help help them that way. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, your concept of rolling with the punches is
Speaker 1: a really great idea because you know, I think I
Speaker 1: remember a lady said to me once now I work
Speaker 1: with it with Sue Barrett. She's does a lot in
Speaker 1: a lot in sales, and she said once to me,
Speaker 1: you know sometimes courage. Sometimes courage is just getting going
Speaker 1: to bed and having your sleep and getting up the
Speaker 1: next day. You know, you sort of order or went
Speaker 1: to dish today. What I do about that? Let's just
Speaker 1: go have a good rest and come up the next
Speaker 1: day and have the courage to keep going. So, as
Speaker 1: you notice, I've taken over the conversation. Sorry it's differently.
Speaker 2: Oh blood, I love it. But you know what, last
Speaker 2: night I did a podcast with an academic on courage
Speaker 2: specifically because I was going down a thought rabbit hole myself.
Speaker 2: So I love that you brought that up because I
Speaker 2: was like, what I love going on thought tangents, and
Speaker 2: I was going in my mind before you went on
Speaker 2: your little tangent, I thought, what I want to ask
Speaker 2: you what your own personal I guess thought tangents are
Speaker 2: at the mom Do you have anywhere you're like, you
Speaker 2: know what this particular thing or perspective or process that
Speaker 2: has got my attention right now? And do you chase
Speaker 2: things down a rabbit hole like that?
Speaker 1: Usually go down a rabbit hole there's lots of times,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'll find like I'll find just for example,
Speaker 1: I'll find a song I like on YouTube right now,
Speaker 1: and I've got there's a couple of guitars, the and
Speaker 1: I used to be in a band and all this.
Speaker 1: So I find a song I like, and then you
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole. How many people have done
Speaker 1: that song? What's a different version of that song? Oh,
Speaker 1: they've got another version. Oh there's a new artists. And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you just keep going down and
Speaker 1: it's great because you find new music that way. You know.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of things I've been looking at recently,
Speaker 1: and I suppose with the I suppose with the election
Speaker 1: on in Victoria. In Victoria that I'm looking at, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the you know, have we lost the truth? There's
Speaker 1: so many people, so many people trying to pitch this
Speaker 1: and politicians are very good. And Ross Stevenson is a
Speaker 1: fellow I know who's on three W and I try
Speaker 1: to listen to him as much as I can, and
Speaker 1: he's very smart and he's very funny man. But he
Speaker 1: made a point and he said, you know, and there
Speaker 1: was a few weeks ago and he made the point.
Speaker 1: I thought, fair enough, here are these politicians on all sides.
Speaker 1: I'm not barracking for anybody here. What they do is
Speaker 1: they you know, taxes for three years and then spend
Speaker 1: the tax trying to get a three you know, trying
Speaker 1: to get re elected. And I'm really big on now,
Speaker 1: you know, tell the truth because if you tell the truth,
Speaker 1: you don't have to have a memory tell lies in
Speaker 1: who do I tell over there? And that's a little
Speaker 1: bit and I've got to and show that concept of
Speaker 1: you know, let's just get down to the tree. And
Speaker 1: you know, with AI now, with Instagram, with X with
Speaker 1: all those social media I think they're great and they're
Speaker 1: but they're just tools like this. This is this is
Speaker 1: a great tool. You know, we could do all the
Speaker 1: organization and going meetings we are and setting up in
Speaker 1: a studio and all this. We can do this over
Speaker 1: the computer, but it's only a tool. Doing this isn't
Speaker 1: going to make a conversation any better. It might make
Speaker 1: it a bit easier to do rather than run around,
Speaker 1: but it's only a tool to do. So. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are using tools, but they're using
Speaker 1: them to not tell the truth or push their agenda
Speaker 1: or as I say, cut people down when they should
Speaker 1: be building people up. So I think that's what's what's
Speaker 1: in my truth. You know, the three there's two, there's
Speaker 1: three sides of the truth. Your side of the truth,
Speaker 1: my side of the truth, and something between that is.
Speaker 1: So you know, I just try and be I suppose
Speaker 1: honest with the people I deal with and you and
Speaker 1: you can be you can be you can be hard.
Speaker 1: You can be good critic, but you can be a
Speaker 1: harsh critic. You know. Excuse me, We're going to be
Speaker 1: careful that on Trigerty. But I can say to something, Gez,
Speaker 1: you're fat. I could say, gee, what's your exercise Raim?
Speaker 1: Like these days? Do you exercise? Do you have a diet?
Speaker 1: And one is in one is sort of being I'm
Speaker 1: telling you what to do rather than I'm sort of
Speaker 1: asking about how and get some information out of you
Speaker 1: to get you to think a little bit differently. And
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, So I'm trying to work on
Speaker 1: the truth whatever whatever that is is one of my
Speaker 1: little things forgot at the moment.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a big topic, isn't it, Because it's
Speaker 2: like what is the truth? It shifts, doesn't. It depends
Speaker 2: on where you stand.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting to look like in the media, and
Speaker 1: just for example, in the media and social media too.
Speaker 1: Now used to deal with experts, So and you have
Speaker 1: an expert and you deal with facts. Now a lot
Speaker 1: of times you deal with opinion. Yes I think, I believe,
Speaker 1: and you're allowed to say anything you like after that,
Speaker 1: and so the facts start to get facts starting to
Speaker 1: get pushed out of the way. I mean, you know, look,
Speaker 1: you're I know you're a fit person, you really work
Speaker 1: on I'm looking after yourself. But there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of so called experts on the internet, on Facebook, on LinkedIn,
Speaker 1: on excerpts. I say, all the social media, on WhatsApp,
Speaker 1: who's spout ideas about health and fitness and they don't
Speaker 1: have a backing for it. You know, they are pushing
Speaker 1: a brand of milk or a brand of whatever other
Speaker 1: product they want to make money out of. Find But
Speaker 1: let's let's get back to what's what's real. And I've
Speaker 1: had I had to do a talk recently about for
Speaker 1: a group of people, and I brought in the concept
Speaker 1: of a sporting group. And I'm talking about the concept
Speaker 1: or three parts of your health. Right that don't cost
Speaker 1: you anything, so you don't have to go and by product,
Speaker 1: well none sort of sort of costs you but not really.
Speaker 1: So just move before you even get to exercise. Movement
Speaker 1: cut movement out of our life, right, so we don't
Speaker 1: We don't stand up and cook, We sit down, watch
Speaker 1: chelling and get uber delivered. We don't even walk down
Speaker 1: a car to go and get take away. Take away comes.
Speaker 1: It's not even takeaway anymore. It's delivery, isn't it. It's
Speaker 1: not even here, it's delivered here, so as I think
Speaker 1: it's American terms. So people are cutting movement out of
Speaker 1: their life right now. If I if I go into town,
Speaker 1: and when I say Melbourne my hometown, and there's always escalat,
Speaker 1: I go to the right and walk up. It's fair
Speaker 1: shaped and I walk up where people stand on the
Speaker 1: escalator and just stand. And now I say, well, you
Speaker 1: still can walk. And now I know older people might
Speaker 1: not be on the balance exception, but if you can
Speaker 1: walk once you walk up to them. So movement is
Speaker 1: really important even before we get the exercise. The other
Speaker 1: one is water. The whole parts of different parts of
Speaker 1: the body of made up of different parts of water.
Speaker 1: Depending on what part you know your hearts, you own
Speaker 1: your liver a difference, So get water into There's research
Speaker 1: to show that if you ever saw back, of which
Speaker 1: is the old sportsman here, being dehydrated can actually make
Speaker 1: your back hurt. So drink water. And the other one
Speaker 1: we don't two with is deep breathing exercises actually probly
Speaker 1: you know, when somebody says, you know, just take your breath,
Speaker 1: settle down, you can actually practice out. I mean most
Speaker 1: of us shallow breathe up the top of our loans
Speaker 1: where you actually really have to use you there are
Speaker 1: you drinking your water? Good? Excuse me, I'll have a
Speaker 1: drink of my water while I'm hurt. That's just what
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good and practicing deep breathing. And we
Speaker 1: could do it. I won't it need but you have
Speaker 1: a hand on your chest and you'll ow it and
Speaker 1: you ab them. You don't breathe your shoulders. You're breathing
Speaker 1: with seven hole for seven, breathe out in three and
Speaker 1: as whole out three out, two and a half dozen times,
Speaker 1: and people actually feel calm and doing it. Now those
Speaker 1: three you know, Okay, you've got to pay the water bill. Somewhere,
Speaker 1: but realistically, those three things are very cheap. And then
Speaker 1: everybody's telling you to do all these take all these products. Now,
Speaker 1: medicine is very important, you know, we do. Some people
Speaker 1: need you know, kneed pills and need direction, and I
Speaker 1: see doctor regulars and get nother make sure I see
Speaker 1: you know, I keep up on the help. But we
Speaker 1: don't orderly automatically have to take something. When you've got
Speaker 1: a headache, you know, you drink water, or you go
Speaker 1: outside and breathe fresh air can actually change it. You
Speaker 1: don't have to take a couple of paincts. Now. They
Speaker 1: might need to get there eventually, but sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, we don't move, We don't. We don't practice
Speaker 1: deep breathing, we don't breathe properly, and our first choice
Speaker 1: of getting better is a pill or a tonic or
Speaker 1: something where I you know, I'm really big on making
Speaker 1: sure that you're in charge of your life, you in
Speaker 1: charge your body. You know, I believe I'd rather believe
Speaker 1: an expert in something rather than somebody says they're an
Speaker 1: expert and doesn't have the pridge or somebody's got a
Speaker 1: viewpoint so back, you know, what's the truth about yourself,
Speaker 1: what's the truth about your life, what's the truth about
Speaker 1: your health and fitness? You know, I just think that's
Speaker 1: it's really important, and not to over complicate it. There's
Speaker 1: only three things you can do. You can do them
Speaker 1: every day and you'll feel better for it. Of course,
Speaker 1: the other one, you know, then you're go into diet
Speaker 1: and sleep and friendships and all that and connection and
Speaker 1: family and all that. But there's three things you can
Speaker 1: do that don't cost you any money.
Speaker 2: One of my pet hates is the use of the
Speaker 2: doctor title from two standpoints.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 2: Now, I'll preface this by saying, the two people that
Speaker 2: are in charge of my body and wellness are actually chiropractice.
Speaker 2: But I won't call them chiropractice, but that's what they're
Speaker 2: trained in, which is annoying. But chiropractice is this happened
Speaker 2: on socials all the time. Chiropractice that a doctor someone,
Speaker 2: but then their whole profile is spouting bullshit about something completely.
Speaker 2: There's one doctor, chiropractic doctor bloke that does it, and
Speaker 2: he's talking about ADHD and I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you put that doctor, whoever you are, and it's not
Speaker 2: relevant to the ship, So you're pretending that you're a
Speaker 2: doctor of fucking some sort of psychology or psychiatry when not.
Speaker 2: Or people that have done a PhD in something and
Speaker 2: then they're again they're specializing in something else. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's not fucking relevant, is it. It's I have.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't. I love your honesty, I love
Speaker 1: your passion. But it's true, and you know you can
Speaker 1: be you can know more and more, you can know
Speaker 1: more and more, you know more and more about something,
Speaker 1: you know everything about nothing, or you can realize and
Speaker 1: know the's lots and lots and lots of little things
Speaker 1: about nothing at all. Either, So you stay within your line.
Speaker 1: I supposing another one too, you know, stay with it.
Speaker 1: I don't I go, you know, I don't go and
Speaker 1: see what would I say a foot doctor if I've
Speaker 1: got a bad back, Like so those people are very important.
Speaker 1: Everybody's important. Yeah, I think that's thing about the to
Speaker 1: know what's the truth, go back to what's the truth.
Speaker 1: And looking after yourself. Always say to people, you know,
Speaker 1: just part of looking after yourself, and it's really important
Speaker 1: in the modern world. I think if you're on a
Speaker 1: plane and they're doing when you get on a plane
Speaker 1: and they're doing the safety instructions. What do I say
Speaker 1: when they talk about the oxygen masks.
Speaker 2: On yourself first.
Speaker 1: Before we can help the person next to you. Put yours.
Speaker 1: Think in a plane, you know, to an oxygen mask,
Speaker 1: So you don't put yours on your trying to help
Speaker 1: somebody in new faith, you're not going to help them.
Speaker 1: Great analogy, put yours on first, look after you, and
Speaker 1: then you can help the person ext to it. So
Speaker 1: a lot of times part of that health is mothers.
Speaker 1: Mothers that can be terrible at it, as in very
Speaker 1: good at it. In the terrible, they look after everybody else,
Speaker 1: accept themselves. Parents can do that. We know we've got
Speaker 1: grandkids now. So I look at new parents looking strongt
Speaker 1: I go look, and they look, and they look, and
Speaker 1: I go, get sleep. I said, you know in some
Speaker 1: countries they use sleep deprivation as a torture. And you'll
Speaker 1: take and you'll get the stage. You'll get to the
Speaker 1: kids say take this little ship and give me idea
Speaker 1: of sleep. And after that, I said, you give my
Speaker 1: beautiful litt kid back. You've got to look after yourself
Speaker 1: so I can look after others. And that's why you know,
Speaker 1: even simply know I just take deep breast relaxed before
Speaker 1: you go anywhere, except you're getting up on stagey. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you do presentations before you get the stake. A
Speaker 1: couple of deep breaths just to relax yourself.
Speaker 2: A little bit of shadow boxing made actually a shadow,
Speaker 2: a little bit of shadow boxing.
Speaker 1: No breath here might be the shadow. Get hurt.
Speaker 3: That's funny, Like I've I know you're background, and I
Speaker 3: remember when we when I for those who don't, I
Speaker 3: played AFL for you a long long time.
Speaker 2: You know, you'd tackle my punches to the ground. I'd
Speaker 2: have no open.
Speaker 1: We used to have a boxing coach and they we
Speaker 1: used to do three rounds of three minutes for the gloves.
Speaker 1: You know. But that was and then thought, sometimes you
Speaker 1: find that you had to do the right and let
Speaker 1: we do three three minutes three minute round three three
Speaker 1: minute rounds with the gloves. And he's really good at you.
Speaker 1: You'd be dugging at the end. I think, hang on,
Speaker 1: you go to other bed. We're going to ring and
Speaker 1: somebody punching back while I'm doing this.
Speaker 2: Oh mate, You've got no idea. You know what dropped
Speaker 2: down to the gym with me one day and we'll
Speaker 2: just do We'll just do some light rounds just so
Speaker 2: I experienced the level up of that.
Speaker 1: I'd have trouble. I have trouble holding them up. Literally,
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 2: I just jumped in and did some sparring. I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this for my listeners that are aware of this,
Speaker 2: for their benefit. I did a couple of rounds of
Speaker 2: sparring for it with a bloke he's been on the
Speaker 2: show before, Ben Pettingill, and he's an absolute legend blind.
Speaker 2: He has two percent vision, ninety eight percent blind. We
Speaker 2: did a few rounds of sparring because he was doing
Speaker 2: this event up in Queensland, podcast Royal, a big boxing
Speaker 2: event for podcasts, and there's going to be seven blokes
Speaker 2: in the ring, the rest of them blindfolded and him
Speaker 2: and they having this blind boxing match. He broke someone's
Speaker 2: ribs boom. I was like that a boy, that's my boy.
Speaker 1: Well it's the leg isn't it interesting? So just on
Speaker 1: that you can say I'm blind and I can't do anything, yeah,
Speaker 1: or I'm blind and what am I going to do?
Speaker 1: You know? It's that's that's really important to me, is
Speaker 1: it's you know the other thing, it's not what happens
Speaker 1: to you, it's had your handle what happens to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the in the sport world in Melbourne, Neil Denaher
Speaker 1: got him not Neuron desserts right, and I played with him.
Speaker 1: A great man. He's become Australian in the year like
Speaker 1: it's only about three years too late. He sent it,
Speaker 1: but I always remember he could have, you know, he
Speaker 1: got m D. And I remember a statement he said,
Speaker 1: why would I expect anybody else to do something if
Speaker 1: I don't do something? So the negative viewpoint all I've
Speaker 1: got and I'm going to sit here and anybody's going
Speaker 1: to help me. He got up, and they've raised me
Speaker 1: and and means and dells because he wouldn't and he
Speaker 1: calls it the beast. He's fighting it, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a real fight against it. And I just thought that's
Speaker 1: an amazing attitude that everybody else could have said, O
Speaker 1: Paul made poor mate, and he said and he won't.
Speaker 1: He probably won't see the outcome of all them. But
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of research, a lot of trials
Speaker 1: happening that wouldn't have happened. They're all meeting going in
Speaker 1: the right direction. He's been alive seven and a half
Speaker 1: years with your own disease, and most people go within
Speaker 1: two and a half of the most Even his whole
Speaker 1: attitude about how he attacks it is I just think fabulous,
Speaker 1: and I've done I've done a little bit of help
Speaker 1: with some fundraising for it, but in small ways. But
Speaker 1: I just yes, it's not what happens to you. How
Speaker 1: do you handle that? And you're talking about your your
Speaker 1: blind box? Who al on blind but cheese. I can
Speaker 1: steal box and I can break them.
Speaker 2: And it's it's that perspective, like the first thing I
Speaker 2: saw were all of the things and it feels, it
Speaker 2: felt weird, and it was weirdly received sometimes when I
Speaker 2: was telling people, hey, he's got some real when it
Speaker 2: comes to boxing and teaching it technically as deeply as
Speaker 2: I do, I go, he's got some real advantages that
Speaker 2: shone through straight away. He is not distracted by the visuals.
Speaker 2: His chin doesn't rise. He landed body shots. You don't
Speaker 2: get many novices landing body shots because they're hard to
Speaker 2: land because you get in there and there are heads
Speaker 2: in the way and it's hard to get to the body.
Speaker 2: He just knows because he doesn't have to see all that.
Speaker 2: He's only got the feeling of what's going on. And
Speaker 2: there is an advantage, though I would not be choosing
Speaker 2: two percent vision just to be just to get a
Speaker 2: couple of a couple of good body shots. But it's interesting,
Speaker 2: isn't it. And it's the legacy that like, it's the
Speaker 2: legacy that Neil is leaving for all the people. And
Speaker 2: he'll never know, he'll never know, but that's changing the world.
Speaker 2: Same with Benny. People watched on People Watch just a
Speaker 2: thirty second reel that he posted and have talked to
Speaker 2: me about it. I don't even know him, and they
Speaker 2: are just going, I'm so inspired. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, and that's what I suppose. That's one
Speaker 1: of the things too, is I grew up playing a
Speaker 1: team sport and I love team sport, and boxing to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, is an individual sport, but you do
Speaker 1: have a team around you. That's starting. The tennis player
Speaker 1: who played individual tennis talks always talked about the team
Speaker 1: around them. So I've become team involvements because you know,
Speaker 1: you get you can inspire other people. Other people inspire you,
Speaker 1: and speaking you know, speaking to parents, I say to them,
Speaker 1: get you get your child involved in team sport. But
Speaker 1: they're not sporting. I go, all right, well, there's the choir,
Speaker 1: there's the band, there's the theater group, there's the dance group.
Speaker 1: Something where we're in this together. And I think, with
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, I see And maybe I'm
Speaker 1: getting too deepig meaningfull as I get older, but I see,
Speaker 1: you know, young young man. Now a big problem in
Speaker 1: Victoria to about the crime rate and young men running
Speaker 1: around with sjetties and stealing cards. There's a fact that
Speaker 1: whole research shows that young men will take risks right
Speaker 1: when the test roone kicks in, or even before that,
Speaker 1: if they've got people around them with the test rone
Speaker 1: kicking in, they will take risks. So why don't you
Speaker 1: put your kids into situations where they have to take
Speaker 1: a risk and when they it's the big thing. You know.
Speaker 1: One of my philosophies is if you don't understand the struggle,
Speaker 1: you'll never understand the success. You don't have to go
Speaker 1: through the struggle yourself. It helps. But if you see
Speaker 1: people struggling and you see how they succeed, and you
Speaker 1: see what happens and so you get them. One of
Speaker 1: the great things about playing sport is you lose and
Speaker 1: you get over yourself. Something out boxing, you lose and
Speaker 1: you have to go back next week. You get on
Speaker 1: the theater in the stage with Thindy. If you get
Speaker 1: your lines, you're playing a band. You mess up the
Speaker 1: lines and guess what, you wake up the next morning
Speaker 1: and keep going. So it's about you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to take risks. It's about directing people into the right
Speaker 1: risk and risks that's not too dangerous but actually helps
Speaker 1: you build yourself up. Just tell me about the first
Speaker 1: time you got to the ring when someone on the
Speaker 1: other side just got to punch back. How did you
Speaker 1: feel about that? I mean, the first time you do it.
Speaker 1: You do a lot of training, but there's what about
Speaker 1: the risk you take when that happens.
Speaker 2: It's beyond words. And the thing about boxing that I
Speaker 2: remember from those first fights because I did it in
Speaker 2: an environment where it was white collar boxing, so we
Speaker 2: were all most of us were having our first fights.
Speaker 2: Some people might have had one of them before before,
Speaker 2: so we're all in it together in the unknown. And
Speaker 2: so you see this version of everybody on the bags training.
Speaker 2: You see that version of they are, how hard they train,
Speaker 2: what they know, how quick they pick up techniques, And
Speaker 2: then you see a version in the first few sparring sessions,
Speaker 2: and that person can be a different person, and then
Speaker 2: you see a third person on the night in the ring.
Speaker 2: Because when you put adrenaline in the system and people
Speaker 2: put them in front of people, they will either rise
Speaker 2: to it and become different, or they will capitulate, or
Speaker 2: they will just sidestep and just perform differently. They might
Speaker 2: be the same level of what you've seen, but that
Speaker 2: you just go. I remember girls to train with and
Speaker 2: she was a real brawler in training and really like
Speaker 2: just all over you. And then you'd get her on
Speaker 2: fight day and she was just clean and popping these
Speaker 2: shots and movement. It was like, I wish it'd spa
Speaker 2: me like that.
Speaker 1: You're right, but that's thing about you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: you do lots, you know, do lots of training, and
Speaker 1: when you're football are lots of training. It's really the
Speaker 1: first the first practice match, you've done all this, you've
Speaker 1: done match simulation, You get in a game, then somebody
Speaker 1: bumps in and hit the ground. You jump up, you
Speaker 1: got to run again. You've got to chase, you got
Speaker 1: to kick it. All of a sudden, you're breathing so heavily.
Speaker 1: Go oh yeah, this is real. For all the other
Speaker 1: stuff is practicing, and so I watching. You know, you
Speaker 1: can be practicing, but then you get in there and
Speaker 1: you've got to be in the moment. You've got to
Speaker 1: be now now, not not not laughing now. All that
Speaker 1: helps with your confidence and your technique and you know,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But it's got to be done now, moment
Speaker 1: by a second by second. So there is a big difference.
Speaker 1: And I remember playing football with the bloke he said
Speaker 1: he couldn't play football in front of the crowd. He
Speaker 1: played in the second thessident and then we got on
Speaker 1: there and the US they used to have the seconds
Speaker 1: before the first, right, so there was not much crowd
Speaker 1: and the crowd to build up over the game. And
Speaker 1: they'd finished just before the senior sided, so there'd be
Speaker 1: a big crowd on the last quarter. He said, I'm
Speaker 1: all right at the start, I can't play. I can't
Speaker 1: play in front of people. I thought, well, you're not
Speaker 1: going to have a career. Ay. Just it was that,
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, I remember we're talking the
Speaker 1: other Day who I got an interview because it's fifty fifty,
Speaker 1: so quickly fifty since I got the first end Jack
Speaker 1: Day game, I was seven a fifty years and I
Speaker 1: remember seventy you know, seventy seven thousand, seven hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy people. I was seven, aeen. I kicked six guys.
Speaker 1: There were seventy seven thousand, severyone and seventy people. I said,
Speaker 1: if I kicked one more goal and seven more people
Speaker 1: turned up, all the sevens would have lined up beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I remember after really loving plant, you know, because
Speaker 1: if you have the success around of a big crowd,
Speaker 1: that sort of nice motivation to do it again. I
Speaker 1: remember months later on running out at Waverley and a
Speaker 1: lot of young people wouldn't even know that existed. Now
Speaker 1: that was a big, big, big ground, and they said
Speaker 1: I was probably going to be about sixty thousand, right,
Speaker 1: And I remember running out looking around disappointing and oh,
Speaker 1: there's only about forty thousand of there. Because it rained,
Speaker 1: you know, getting getting used to being successful, and I
Speaker 1: don't don't have also in front of one hundred thousand people,
Speaker 1: given the right handball to the right person in the
Speaker 1: right place, and the right time, in the right call,
Speaker 1: the wrong jumper and where you can go and you
Speaker 1: want the MCD to open up and swallow. And you said,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I've got to go to the next
Speaker 1: center Abountle to do something. And that's about you know,
Speaker 1: and that's that we know that word resilience people and
Speaker 1: a lot of people bandy it around. To be resilient,
Speaker 1: you've got to fail and get over it, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Michael Jordan talks about you know, ailing thousands of time,
Speaker 1: that's why he was so good, or all these people.
Speaker 1: If you if you never make a mistake, I said,
Speaker 1: if you never make a mistake, you're not trying hard enough.
Speaker 1: What you learn from a mistake. And if you know
Speaker 1: one's a mistake too, is a pattern three shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: If you just keep repeating it, then you haven't learnt anything.
Speaker 1: So I really think that that word resilience keeps coming
Speaker 1: up and people want to talk about raising resilient kids.
Speaker 1: You never give him a chance to fail, so they
Speaker 1: don't build up, you know, they don't build up this resision.
Speaker 1: It's okay to fail and overcome it. And a big word,
Speaker 1: it's a small word. It's A big word in my
Speaker 1: vocability is yet just why see right, Because if you
Speaker 1: say I can't do it, if it a will, you
Speaker 1: say I can't do it yet, there's still a lot
Speaker 1: of time to get up to the I can do it.
Speaker 1: But as soon as you say that statement I can't
Speaker 1: do it, it stops. It stops you writing your place.
Speaker 1: So that yet is understanding you're not there yet, But
Speaker 1: that yet means yeah, but I can move on and
Speaker 1: get him improving it better. And that's in the workplace,
Speaker 1: that's in relationships, that's in sport, in the ring, outside
Speaker 1: of the ring, whatever. I might not be able to
Speaker 1: do it yet, but give me the opportunity to work
Speaker 1: forward and work harder. And I've seen some of the
Speaker 1: failure understand it. I've had failing yourself. I said, if
Speaker 1: you don't understand the struggle, you don't understand success. You
Speaker 1: took about any world champion in any any boxing match,
Speaker 1: or any boxing career over all the years of boxing
Speaker 1: has been around. You talked about any of them understanding
Speaker 1: the struggle. They'll all understand the struggle the training they
Speaker 1: do that you know, maybe I broken hand at some stage,
Speaker 1: or maybe you know I saw ribs or what. I'll
Speaker 1: understand the struggle, and that helps with understanding the success.
Speaker 1: And that can be done inside the workplace, outside the workplace,
Speaker 1: inside the ring, outside, inside the arena, outside the arena.
Speaker 2: Remember when I was earlier, early on in my boxing,
Speaker 2: I was having a little winge to my trainer. I
Speaker 2: was like, it's not fair, Like I want to be
Speaker 2: active and I want to do this sport and I
Speaker 2: get the ship knees and all the injury there is,
Speaker 2: all the eff and time, every single fight there was
Speaker 2: some ship going on, a crook neck, a bugget shoulder.
Speaker 2: I tore my lame room. I had ship knees all
Speaker 2: the time. I was always out and I had a
Speaker 2: wings and he goes, mate, that's everyone, and that's because
Speaker 2: you're doing it. One escapes that. But he did used
Speaker 2: to call me the race horse because I was always
Speaker 2: injured and in the paddic.
Speaker 1: It's your thorough bread, your thoroughbred. You're right on the edge, right.
Speaker 2: That's it. But it got to the point where he said, mate,
Speaker 2: some of us are bread for racing and some of
Speaker 2: us are bread to be brood meres. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you go, oh, you look out mate, Yeah, you're playing with.
Speaker 1: Fire, and I've said, you know, and that's how a
Speaker 1: lot of people understand. Like with football, I've seen people
Speaker 1: have the taller and everybody knows I can play. Their
Speaker 1: body says they can't, and that's the real. But I've
Speaker 1: all seen people walk away from the sport with the
Speaker 1: head held high cards they've given it their best shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now if they haven't given it their best shot, that's different.
Speaker 1: But I've seen people have really really good short careers
Speaker 1: and you can see the talent and their body says, no,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Three knee injuries or you know,
Speaker 1: da da da da da du too many concussions or whatever.
Speaker 1: But at least they've given it their best shot. And
Speaker 1: there's I think you should be really proud of that.
Speaker 1: But it's different when somebody says and whatever is. People
Speaker 1: have said to me, I could have whatever it was,
Speaker 1: I could have been a box. I could have been
Speaker 1: a football if only I had of and then I
Speaker 1: stopped listening. That's different. You know, I could have been
Speaker 1: a football, except I've only if I had two legs. Okay,
Speaker 1: I could understand that, but there's still you know or
Speaker 1: you know or I've got a. You know, I dislocated
Speaker 1: the shoulder, and you know, as a kid that keeps dislocating.
Speaker 1: And I've had full up price. I can understand that.
Speaker 1: But there's other big people say I could have if
Speaker 1: only I had of which means they didn't. And it's
Speaker 1: not about it's not about the physicality. It's about I
Speaker 1: didn't train hard enough. I didn't put in hard enough.
Speaker 1: I didn't work hard enough, you know, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Is it It's interesting I in my lady years, like
Speaker 2: I see that now I see those parts, but I
Speaker 2: go but I have a different perspective. It's like an appreciation.
Speaker 2: And it also it brings you back down to a
Speaker 2: level where it's like, oh cood, But it doesn't like
Speaker 2: if it doesn't mean anything, it doesn't matter. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean like I know, based on the times I've taken
Speaker 2: up running, if I put time into that, I've got
Speaker 2: some talent. I've got something there physically that if I
Speaker 2: put time in, I could be good. I was good
Speaker 2: as when I was young, but I was a smoker
Speaker 2: at fourteen, so I didn't really give a toss but
Speaker 2: I had, Yeah, I gave it up but didn't do
Speaker 2: anything with it. And my older years when I've had
Speaker 2: a crack and like I'll go out and I'll do
Speaker 2: some awesome times and it's like, yeah, but cool, but
Speaker 2: it just doesn't mean anything to me at the moment.
Speaker 2: Maybe one day I'll take it up and it'll have meaning,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean I'm shit for not doing it.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean I'm amazing for doing it.
Speaker 1: No cry. And this is one of the things I'm
Speaker 1: very big on. Like, you know, people people say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a great football. Now, let's not know that's you
Speaker 1: know that people have said that, No say to you
Speaker 1: you say, you know, always strange. I'm very good at
Speaker 1: taking compliments. So somebody says, jeez, you're good at something
Speaker 1: you don't. Oh no, I'm not. Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: It's appreciation, you see that, But so do you great football.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make me better than anybody else or worse
Speaker 1: than anybody else. What it does make me good football.
Speaker 1: I haven't done that for a long time, you know
Speaker 1: that aspect of And you know, I really talk in
Speaker 1: saying in the workplace, but in life I talk about
Speaker 1: care and especially in the workplace, and key you know,
Speaker 1: if if somebody rubs you on the shoulder and goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you'll be right now. Care But care is c ire, consideration, affirmation, respect,
Speaker 1: and empathy. So consideration, affirmation, respecting, empathy is real care
Speaker 1: within the workplace. And if you've got a coach, if
Speaker 1: you've got a trainer, if you've got somebody helping you,
Speaker 1: you've got a doctor, you've got whoever helps you in
Speaker 1: your sports saite or they've got real care about you,
Speaker 1: You'll see it, you'll feel it, you'll understand it, and
Speaker 1: I'll help you do better. So showing care for other
Speaker 1: people properly is really really important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm interested in how long did you play food?
Speaker 2: And how are were you when you're retired?
Speaker 1: So I was, It was a long time ago. I
Speaker 1: vaguely remember. Now. I was sixteen when I played six
Speaker 1: day when I played in the first game with Escedence,
Speaker 1: So I was in year eleven. So I started. I
Speaker 1: played for the school on school and now listen, we
Speaker 1: can't be done. Now play for the school on Wednesday
Speaker 1: and the same burnod as a school I went. So
Speaker 1: I played for so Bernards on Wednesday and on Saturday,
Speaker 1: which is amazing thing. And then I played for nine
Speaker 1: one years and I was thirty four thirty four, and
Speaker 1: that's when the body got the breakdowns. You think you
Speaker 1: can play forever. You can surely think you can be,
Speaker 1: you know, world everyway, chieving for the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: but somewhere along and you can't. And you have to
Speaker 1: understand that. And so again, if you just give it
Speaker 1: your best shot, then you walk around and go, well,
Speaker 1: I go the best shot. So nine one years round
Speaker 1: and seventy five games in a lot of accoages is
Speaker 1: great Premiership space and fairest a norm Smifth medal, which
Speaker 1: is for the best plan of Grand Final, you know,
Speaker 1: and in Melbourne, you know, like you've got to be
Speaker 1: You've got to be realistic about it. Australia is point
Speaker 1: three percent of the world's population on a good count, right,
Speaker 1: three point three percent, So the world have no idea
Speaker 1: that I played football, right, that's the idea of the world, right,
Speaker 1: So you just got to make sure. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you get the opportunity, you take it. That's the best.
Speaker 1: You know. If you give it your best shot and
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, at least you hold your head up
Speaker 1: because you said, you know, you know you've got to
Speaker 1: your best shot. But it was you know, all those things,
Speaker 1: the injuries. You know, I was lucky, I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries, but the terminology just you know,
Speaker 1: ball hit down, the bone, stuck out there, the type
Speaker 1: of thing you know, hit a bloke, snove, got knocked out,
Speaker 1: spent a night in Perth hospital. Those things are things
Speaker 1: that get in the winter that just started to go
Speaker 1: a little bit stop. So hopefully that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what when you left, when you when you
Speaker 2: were played your game and you walked out the door,
Speaker 2: what where did you sit with your identity? And was
Speaker 2: that a struggle where you like, who am I if
Speaker 2: I'm not the football?
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. I think you can. I
Speaker 1: think I did a bit, not not too much, but
Speaker 1: I think you look back and you going toe. You
Speaker 1: remember you're thirty four when you retire, normally retire you
Speaker 1: talk about sixty five, seventy seven, you know, you retire
Speaker 1: from work and your young fit. I think the fittest
Speaker 1: I was when I was thirty five because I was
Speaker 1: still training and kept myself. That didn't hit anybody, hit
Speaker 1: anybody else, So nothing hurts but info, you know, I
Speaker 1: tot a handsring off the bone, and so you know,
Speaker 1: you don't in some ways you don't have to make
Speaker 1: the decision yourself. Your body makes a decision. But then
Speaker 1: you go, well, you know, you're introduced as you know,
Speaker 1: Simon the Maden the for footballer, and then then you
Speaker 1: sign An Edward. So what is your you know, who
Speaker 1: is your identity? And I think a lot of I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people struggle with that, and I
Speaker 1: didn't think so at the time, but I look back, go, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a time there when well, who am I
Speaker 1: and what am I going to do? Luckily I had
Speaker 1: other things. I was a teacher back then. I've run
Speaker 1: my own business for twenty years and I was a
Speaker 1: teacher back then. So I went back into teaching and
Speaker 1: really put effort into that. And then I had a
Speaker 1: couple of iTunes and I moved into the business world.
Speaker 1: But I was really fascinated with helping people do better,
Speaker 1: get better. So business coach facilitator, just helping people understand
Speaker 1: what it's like to be have a consistent high performance.
Speaker 2: Now, hang on a minute, you start footy at sixteen,
Speaker 2: When the hell did you become a teacher? We mean
Speaker 2: you went back to teaching. We know what happened.
Speaker 1: So now this is the thing it's about. I think
Speaker 1: it's the reality of back then. So I put things
Speaker 1: in perspective. My first season was in the last year
Speaker 1: of black and white TV. I'm not talking about the
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the color of the cabinets, the
Speaker 1: color of the screen, right with So back then it
Speaker 1: was three nights a week after five o'clock and Saturday
Speaker 1: afternoon training. So it was very much part time. It
Speaker 1: got more professional, professional than it had trouble trying to
Speaker 1: fit a job in with it, and now you know completely.
Speaker 1: You might have some little side side, a hustle at
Speaker 1: a part time job. Keep you saying, but you you know,
Speaker 1: and you just had to fit because we're married. We've
Speaker 1: got four kids. That had two kids and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: see them most of the week. I wouldn't see them.
Speaker 1: So you put them a bed on Sunday night. Then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Thursday would be work training, work training, work training, work training,
Speaker 1: come on Frida, you work Friday, see them at Friday night,
Speaker 1: then play footy on a Saturday. Maybe seeing Satday night.
Speaker 1: But you probably socially in because they didn't really socialize
Speaker 1: any other night. So, you know, my wife and I
Speaker 1: both teach. So I said, well, I'll start home for
Speaker 1: two days, and then i'll start home for four and
Speaker 1: then I'll start just a short period. And I said,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a great career and teaching, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was good for footing because you could put more time,
Speaker 1: but it was also good to see kids you actually
Speaker 1: can make it, you know, I was. I was spending
Speaker 1: more you know the old not just quality time. I
Speaker 1: was spending quality and quantity time with them. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. We've got to look a little bit
Speaker 1: different about your situation. It's just because everybody else does
Speaker 1: something one way doesn't mean you have to. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that was to the point in the end, it was
Speaker 1: just too hard to do anything else but play footing,
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to struggle to fit that in.
Speaker 1: But then after, you know, when I finished, I went
Speaker 1: back to teaching because that was a job and it
Speaker 1: was good to throw yourself into it. But then I
Speaker 1: got a couple offers and I moved into business. And
Speaker 1: then somebody said I you should be a business coach
Speaker 1: one stage, and I said, whin. He went, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And at that stage I had some
Speaker 1: very good examples of leadership, and I had some very
Speaker 1: bad examples of leadership. And I remember saying to myself, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm tired. I worked for some great people, but I
Speaker 1: was in a couple of positions and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of work with the dickead. I'll just go
Speaker 1: and work for myself on the dick. That's right.
Speaker 2: If I'm going to work for a nick head and.
Speaker 1: The other thing I've made, you notice that I'm really
Speaker 1: important in the modern rules. Don't lose your sense of
Speaker 1: human humor can be you know, I think humans humor
Speaker 1: is an intelligence, lots of intelligence. So other people where
Speaker 1: they take this it's not funny, they take that that's
Speaker 1: not funny. That's put them big, and they're very funny.
Speaker 1: So you got to really work on And I think
Speaker 1: it's important that yeah, laughing, laughing is laughing is good medicine.
Speaker 1: And actually you're laughing actually increasing doorphins that exercise does
Speaker 1: as well. So it's an important part of keep yourself
Speaker 1: fitting happy.
Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty five, do you find that people
Speaker 2: are still You're still Simon Madden the footy player, because
Speaker 2: Australia really holds high regard for the excellent footy players,
Speaker 2: and you're one of the excellent.
Speaker 1: No, thank you. It's an interesting one because I'm older there, know,
Speaker 1: I work close there in the station, so I do
Speaker 1: a lot of public transport, right, So you get on
Speaker 1: the train in the morning and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people have no idea who I am, right because they're
Speaker 1: all young. You know, I forget it was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, right, But every now and then you find somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody think, how are you great? You know, like every
Speaker 1: now and then that still comes out, and most people
Speaker 1: are really good. Every now and you get a drunk
Speaker 1: he wants to tell you how to play football thirty
Speaker 1: years old. But most people are good. But yes, you
Speaker 1: still get it. You still get it. And but a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who's in the media, made a good point.
Speaker 1: He said, you know football, football is the currency of
Speaker 1: the city, which is a really interesting way to put it.
Speaker 1: You know, people, one of the worst things in say
Speaker 1: in Melbourne is I don't back for footy team, which
Speaker 1: is not good. Or you start back for Adelaide Cras
Speaker 1: and you never lived there. You know you have to
Speaker 1: have to Melbourne and follow Melbourne team. If you said
Speaker 1: I'm back for laid Cris because I grew up there,
Speaker 1: that's different. But the worst thing is so I don't
Speaker 1: have a footy team. I remember work. I remember working
Speaker 1: years ago and the I t were with a lovely
Speaker 1: young lady from I Saidney, and didn't know anything about footy.
Speaker 1: And there was the you gathering around the water cooler
Speaker 1: on Monday morning type thing, you know, one of those
Speaker 1: medew They started anze the footing I should go on
Speaker 1: and joined. So I got no idea. And it was
Speaker 1: a time when James Heird was a captain of s
Speaker 1: and a great play with Essen and had had broken
Speaker 1: it broke his face. He's running to me and sort
Speaker 1: of broke all of this had a huge and so
Speaker 1: she didn't even know that either. And I said, go
Speaker 1: into the walk in and just ask the question, what
Speaker 1: do you think about James Hurd's injury. So she walked
Speaker 1: to the little group and you could all see the blakes.
Speaker 1: You know what's fretty sort of stuffing You're watched you
Speaker 1: doing it. She just said, what do you think of
Speaker 1: James Hurd's injury? Well, the conversation just took off. Everybody
Speaker 1: had an opinion. Everybody that she started turned around him
Speaker 1: and I went, there you go, you just gotta know
Speaker 1: one to two things. I love that, as I said,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I realized that the world is much bigger
Speaker 1: than football. But you know, if you find something you like,
Speaker 1: you know, Gali hella, you know, if it's boxing, if
Speaker 1: it's music, if it's if it's football, it's sport, if
Speaker 1: it's investments, if it's what, if it's just get a
Speaker 1: good shot, come give it a good shot. You know,
Speaker 1: do your research, to your homework, learn from every mistake
Speaker 1: you made, try not to make too many, and try
Speaker 1: not to keep making.
Speaker 2: The same mistake, make the same mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just keeping your head on the wall and wonder
Speaker 1: why it's still hurts, you know, like that. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's important that. Yeah, you still get you still get
Speaker 1: notice sober it's it's it's nice. But sometimes just the
Speaker 1: funny things that happened. So with my wife and Ima
Speaker 1: and I were in Barcelona right for in Barcelona and
Speaker 1: Sunday night we're going on a food and mine to it,
Speaker 1: So walking food and WNE to it, which I thought
Speaker 1: started a bit like this in that it was fantastic
Speaker 1: and it's about I suppose fourteen seven couples. And so
Speaker 1: the tour guy turns up from from Germany. Where you from?
Speaker 1: You know, America? This fake said, look, I'm from Australia.
Speaker 1: But that like there he played for in the ASL,
Speaker 1: right to all these Europeans. I've got no idea. What
Speaker 1: so you played? Soarker? I said, Now I didn't play
Speaker 1: SoC Well you played Rugmany. I didn't play rugby NFL.
Speaker 1: Now I played APHL. What's I for? Then you've got
Speaker 1: to spend ten minutes? So I get out of video.
Speaker 1: I look, there's me run around the ground. Okay, put
Speaker 1: it there. Let's go and do wine and food. Right, So,
Speaker 1: every now and then you can explain and run like that.
Speaker 1: Luckily there's listen listening. There's a listen listening. But every
Speaker 1: now and then you still get you know, you can
Speaker 1: still get pushed up in front of the line because
Speaker 1: someone knows. I'm very aware of my privilege. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of that. So try not to overdo it.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody, you know, every now and then you'll
Speaker 1: go to the bar with some friends and somebody buy
Speaker 1: your be a simon, he's a thanks very much for
Speaker 1: all your foot you and that's lovely, you know, things
Speaker 1: like that. It's nice to be remembered that way. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of I've moved on a little bit. I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: One of the things I've developed a real appreciation for
Speaker 2: is doing things that are unlike me, doing things that
Speaker 2: are different. And I feel like when you talked about
Speaker 2: how football used to be a lot more part time,
Speaker 2: I think there's a gift in that because you were
Speaker 2: able to have other things and other identities within that.
Speaker 2: Like I just started piano a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: I'm never touched to anything musical in my life.
Speaker 1: I show your fingers because a couple of mine have bent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see that one that's buckled right, See that that
Speaker 2: Once I went to one single a f l W
Speaker 2: training match. I touched the ball twice. I double dislocated
Speaker 2: both of those knuckles and was never able to straighten
Speaker 2: or fully bend that finger ever.
Speaker 1: Again, that's not too bad on a piano, but this one,
Speaker 1: so that one right right now. If you want to
Speaker 1: be you know, if you want to be a sports person,
Speaker 1: especially you want to be a footballer, don't be a contempanist.
Speaker 1: If you want to be a contempanist, don't be a
Speaker 1: football I don't marry up very well. But that's good, tough,
Speaker 1: long learning. So I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's like this month or this week, this month. I
Speaker 1: learned French for four years at school, right, and was terrible.
Speaker 1: And we went to French last year for a wedding,
Speaker 1: so I started relearning the French. So I've been relearning French.
Speaker 1: So and I got to bonjour, excuse me, does some
Speaker 1: more just for Australia path and so basically said, I'm
Speaker 1: Simon from australd. I don't speak French and that's how
Speaker 1: would you like me to speak English? Because mostly they do.
Speaker 1: So it's a great introduction. But there's a thing, you know,
Speaker 1: like keeping your mind alive as well as your body along, yes,
Speaker 1: is really important. So trying something new, you know. So
Speaker 1: I still play the guitar. My fingers were a bit
Speaker 1: sore for a while, you know, like I had a
Speaker 1: quarters on injection there to because I would, you know,
Speaker 1: this one month straight and then so this one month
Speaker 1: curl and that one wouldn't curl.
Speaker 2: But you sort of Hell the hell are you playing
Speaker 2: guitar with those things?
Speaker 1: Very badly.
Speaker 2: That was part of the reason why I didn't choose
Speaker 2: to because that thing is just not I was like,
Speaker 2: it gets in the way on the keys, but it
Speaker 2: really wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've got it. You've got a nice little
Speaker 1: because you've got to have art fingers piano piano lessons.
Speaker 1: So I realized that guitar was a bit. It's very
Speaker 1: hard carrying a piano around with you. You've got a
Speaker 1: nice little curve in that finger, so I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: too bad to be able.
Speaker 2: To until you don't want that one to be touched
Speaker 2: in the key. When you want that to be the
Speaker 2: one that's lifting up, and it's when it won't get
Speaker 2: out of the way. I'm like, Okay, this is annoying, but.
Speaker 1: You've got to. Yeah, you've got to. I think if
Speaker 1: we can get you know, it's it's great being comfortable.
Speaker 1: You've got to push yourself every now and then, and
Speaker 1: sometimes just pushing yourself of going for a little while
Speaker 1: is really good. You know, when I play golf, I'm
Speaker 1: really pushing myself out of my comfort zone. Terrible, So
Speaker 1: you do I think it's good. It's good for the
Speaker 1: mind's good for the body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's next for you?
Speaker 1: Look, I have a good problem, right, So, as I said,
Speaker 1: I'm sixty seven, so it's and I don't like the
Speaker 1: word retirements. I didn't like with footy. So the problem
Speaker 1: I had is a good problem. How much work do
Speaker 1: I want to do? How much work don't I want
Speaker 1: to do? How much time I want to spend with
Speaker 1: my grandkids. We've got to hold our house down the peninsula.
Speaker 1: How much do I want to spend there? So we
Speaker 1: went overseas for the first time in five years because
Speaker 1: of COVID last year. We like traveling. So what's just
Speaker 1: working out the right balance? You know, like where we met,
Speaker 1: going to the network? Business network means how much do
Speaker 1: I want to continue a network to get business that
Speaker 1: type of thing. So it's a good problem to have.
Speaker 1: I know people have retired and they just they said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I fit of work in it's magnificent,
Speaker 1: you know. And I know other people who've retired. I say,
Speaker 1: here you going. They look at you like, you know,
Speaker 1: the kangaro and the headlights going. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, you know. So it's what and yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the right balance for your life? And that's a good
Speaker 1: I think it made its good. It's a good problem
Speaker 1: I've got at the moment. You know, see how we
Speaker 1: go because everything and then they roll out the old
Speaker 1: football at to talk somewhere. You know, I've got to
Speaker 1: get I've got to In June, I've going up to
Speaker 1: Breaking Hill speak up there at a weekend and a
Speaker 1: reunion for old people for weekend. I did a business
Speaker 1: business talk for a council last was last week. Things
Speaker 1: like that are good. You know, I've been to Breaking
Speaker 1: Hell three times, I think years ago. I think that's
Speaker 1: there's only four football clubs in Broken Hills. I think
Speaker 1: this must be the one unburned. So it's and it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating place to get to. But you know, things
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, just uh, just finding the right balance
Speaker 1: that suits me is and I'm getting there. I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's very good. Meeting lovely people like
Speaker 1: you were doing this type of thing is really good.
Speaker 1: That's a good. Yeah, you said that's a good thing
Speaker 1: for me, meeting new people. It's and you know, I
Speaker 1: think you said we connected. I think we connect because
Speaker 1: I love your attitude, you know, like you're let's get
Speaker 1: up and do something. Let's go and get it. You know,
Speaker 1: let's go and do it. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people can spend too much time sitting down thinking
Speaker 1: and I do that, I overthink it. But also that
Speaker 1: you know, spend too much time on the on the
Speaker 1: computer game and you know, so it's you know, just
Speaker 1: getting up and doing anything, going going, have you have
Speaker 1: a go, have a red hot go. And I think
Speaker 1: for anybody to get in the boxing ring and be
Speaker 1: prepared to get somebody punched in the nose, you sort
Speaker 1: of go beep and you say, well, you've got to
Speaker 1: give yourself, you know, if you're not good at it,
Speaker 1: don't do it for too long.
Speaker 3: At it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if you've got really but you know, you
Speaker 1: think about how and I know people have done boxing
Speaker 1: training and they might never be in a fight, which
Speaker 1: is fantastic, but it gives them confidence. What you confidence, mind, confidence, speaking, confidence, posture, confidence,
Speaker 1: It's a whole lot of things that it can help with.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's really important that you know
Speaker 1: what's well, you know, it's a bit of a cliche,
Speaker 1: but what's the best version of yourself? And that's something
Speaker 1: that's never perfect. You got to keep you, You got
Speaker 1: to keep working on how can I know, how can
Speaker 1: I be a better person to help the world, How
Speaker 1: can I be a better person out for friends? How
Speaker 1: can I be a better person to help their family,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, how can I improve? But
Speaker 1: also looking after myself at the same time, so I
Speaker 1: don't go down to crush it, you know, absolute crashing heat.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's all about balance. Yeah. So, as a
Speaker 1: comedian said, I'm going to live forever.
Speaker 2: So far, so good, so far killing it.
Speaker 1: That's a good. I think that's a good I'm just
Speaker 1: going to keep going and tell him that I've met it.
Speaker 1: You know, I met I met like the other day,
Speaker 1: was eighteen. I thought he would have been about sixty four.
Speaker 1: He's unbelievable. I met people in their nineties who were
Speaker 1: just just just live, you know, fantastic, awake, live, people
Speaker 1: still going, you know, and eventually you're going to fall
Speaker 1: off the planet. But you know, once you ever read,
Speaker 1: I'd go along the way.
Speaker 2: I had two new clients this morning. I met one
Speaker 2: of them a friend's birthday, and they would both be
Speaker 2: somewhere in their seventies. They came in for their first
Speaker 2: ever seeing session. I put a post up on about
Speaker 2: them on LinkedIn and socials. So they're brilliant. They just
Speaker 2: there's nothing that lights my fire more than especially when
Speaker 2: they're women, because there's something special about seeing a woman
Speaker 2: put boxing gloves on and learn to use their body
Speaker 2: and express force, physical force. You just see this glitterly,
Speaker 2: this something comes alive, and you know, I'm watching them
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing them process and there's all this concentration
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are they like, which way is it
Speaker 2: going to go? Are they loving it? Or is it overwhelming?
Speaker 2: And they finish and they're like, this is the best.
Speaker 2: I'm dropping my water water aerobics every week now to
Speaker 2: come and do this. And I'm like, fucking sweet.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, you know, you know
Speaker 1: that's saying We've got two sons and two daughters, and
Speaker 1: I talk about equal opportunity. I like to see people. Now,
Speaker 1: some people don't take opportunity. That's a different equal opportunity.
Speaker 1: So you know, historically, you know, my mother would have
Speaker 1: had how you do think about putting gloves on littlone
Speaker 1: actually using them? You know, and how dare you think
Speaker 1: you should be involved in anything as equal as a man.
Speaker 1: And you said, go, well why not, you know, let's
Speaker 1: just go on. You know, so I can imagine, I
Speaker 1: can you know, I can remember getting in the boxing
Speaker 1: gloves and learning the first few punches and sort of
Speaker 1: oh right, yeah, I've got to got to turn my
Speaker 1: body and I've got to come off my legs. I've
Speaker 1: got to use my thighs and I've got to you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to use your core. And it's great fitness.
Speaker 1: It's great fitness. It's a great way to It is
Speaker 1: a great way to keep fit. If you've got an
Speaker 1: injury too. This is one of the things you can't use.
Speaker 1: You know. You see some boxes that big bodies and
Speaker 1: skinny little leaves and I don't run around a lot,
Speaker 1: But you can actually still be doing a lot of
Speaker 1: training without running around too much with your leags. So
Speaker 1: it's it's a good thing. And if you see somebody
Speaker 1: take it on and go, oh wow, I've got not
Speaker 1: that late. I've got a friend who son, who's in
Speaker 1: his thirties, and he used to play a lot of foot.
Speaker 1: He just applefoot. He loved it, and he was always
Speaker 1: light and one of the things was. He was always
Speaker 1: still run around fast at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: A few years ago he took on Marathonony and he says, now,
Speaker 1: I think I took I think started the wrong sport
Speaker 1: because he's doing he's done to London on the New
Speaker 1: York and the Marathon, he's doing the Boston Marathon. He's
Speaker 1: doing the more you want to do, all the big ones,
Speaker 1: and he's running. He's running around in just on to
Speaker 1: and a half hours, you know, and if you can
Speaker 1: get under yeah, if you can do you know, not
Speaker 1: being a professional effort. If you can get under three hours,
Speaker 1: you're doing fantastic. You can get under two and a half.
Speaker 1: And he's starting, he's just on that edge. And he says,
Speaker 1: and he's in his late thirties something now, so he's
Speaker 1: just getting to the program might slide down. He's just
Speaker 1: trying to get I think he's trying to get under
Speaker 1: the two and a half for the Boston. I think
Speaker 1: it's coming out soon, you know, trying after that one.
Speaker 1: And then he can say, well, if I started to
Speaker 1: go back the closer to three, I'm happy that I've
Speaker 1: done all these ones. So just to see somebody do that,
Speaker 1: you know, later on. There's a whole lot of stories
Speaker 1: about people who have been successful in whatever in the
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies. You know, they've they've made the become
Speaker 1: the businessman they wanted to be in their seventies, or
Speaker 1: they've written the book in their sixties or there, or
Speaker 1: they've you know, they've traveled to the you know, I
Speaker 1: travel to the Seven Continents in their ratings or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they've done. It's that thing that if
Speaker 1: you're alive and that you know, I suppose what I
Speaker 1: haven't finished yet, you know, when you finish it down,
Speaker 1: you know, so I haven't really finished it. And I
Speaker 1: think that for me, that's you know, that's sort of
Speaker 1: something I'm sort of clean. On tours, I get old.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to be old.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to get old, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to be odd. There's a big difference money. I've
Speaker 1: seen people who are old in their forties. I've seen
Speaker 1: people in their thirties. They just really said in this
Speaker 1: so I can't do anything, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: try it, and and they said I can't, you know,
Speaker 1: And back to what I said, if I can't do
Speaker 1: it yet, and these people haven't done it, starting to
Speaker 1: do it. They've got, they've got, and I think it's
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm inspired by people. Let me go and
Speaker 1: they smile when they do it, even a child, And
Speaker 1: I think that's connection. You're having a red you're having
Speaker 1: a red hot going business and read go what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's you know, I love saying it.
Speaker 1: I love to see people get up, never get thank you,
Speaker 1: keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Look, thanks for chatting to me today, Thanks for giving
Speaker 2: my listeners a good ear full of your awesome, lively,
Speaker 2: energetic self. Where can we find you online? Where do
Speaker 2: you want to point them to?
Speaker 1: I look very very easy. I should be doing I
Speaker 1: should be doing a lot more of everything social media.
Speaker 1: But it's easy. So I'm Mada dot com dot are you?
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Speaker 1: to get good and stay good in what you do,
Speaker 1: because you know, in sporting a whole lot of things,
Speaker 1: people can be really good, really quick and fall over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and don't stay there and it's one thing about being successful,
Speaker 1: there's another thing about staying successful.
Speaker 2: You're awesome. I'm going to have your links in the
Speaker 2: show notes. Thanks mate. Everyone go check him out. She said,
Speaker 2: it's now never got fighting in my blood.
Speaker 1: Got it. Trick quite a coast, got it.
Speaker 2: Little gotta lot of coast, got it,