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Speaker 1: Appoche Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO series.

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Speaker 2: This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership.

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Speaker 2: Happy people create happy businesses, true emotionally intelligent leadership. I've

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Speaker 2: picked up vomit once on our about our fourth flight

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Speaker 2: and everybody thought, well, of it's good enough for him.

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Speaker 2: I can do it now.

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Speaker 1: We will be joined by culture and leadership.

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Speaker 2: Experts and some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us

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Speaker 2: the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. Today I'm joined

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Speaker 2: by the wonderful Kylie Blucher, who is the managing director

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Speaker 2: of nine Queensland and nine Northern New South Wales, overseeing

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Speaker 2: the state's biggest news brand, Channel nine. Kylie is known

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Speaker 2: for steering the networks through some of the most challenging

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Speaker 2: moments and leading the transformation of nine's newsroom into the

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Speaker 2: modern digitally integrated powerhouse it is today. She's passionate about

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Speaker 2: developing talent, building strong newsroom culture and ensuring nine continues

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Speaker 2: to deliver trusted, relevant news to Queenslanders every day. To

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Speaker 2: have you here, Kylie, thank you, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully I don't disappoint in these conversations. I always like

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Speaker 2: to sort of go back to early days because that's

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Speaker 1: So what was your early childhood like? You lived in Brisbane?

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Speaker 2: You, from what I can gather, yeah, Brisbane born and bred,

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Speaker 2: grew up on the South side of Brisbane. I had

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Speaker 2: unbelievable parents, just beautiful brother and both parents worked. So

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Speaker 2: for as long as I can remember, both mom and

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Speaker 2: keep money coming in but also loving their work and

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Speaker 2: their careers. Mom went back to work, really worked in retail,

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Speaker 2: and not much, you know, other than being admire in

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Speaker 2: into the workforce and really had to train herself and

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Speaker 2: learn new skills. She ended up being personnel manager. Great

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Speaker 2: role models in my parents from a work ethic perspective.

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Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking, and it's only because

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Speaker 2: I read this online, you said in an interview that

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Speaker 2: you were a when you were very young. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: was eighteen days old when mum and dad collected me

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Speaker 2: from Boothville Hospital which was up at Wins. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I grew.

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Speaker 2: Up knowing the sobslutely, and this will talk to my

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Speaker 1: Sadly.

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Speaker 2: I grew up being told I was specially picked, which

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Speaker 2: was an incredible gift from my parents. That you know,

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Speaker 2: if you imagine the nursery where all the babies are

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Speaker 2: in the bassinets and they looked through the window and.

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Speaker 1: My mother said, she's the one.

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Speaker 2: That's my baby, which is beautiful, which of course meant

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Speaker 2: for my poor brother who was naturally conceived, he grew

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Speaker 2: up being persecuted by me being told I was specially picked.

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Speaker 2: They were just stuck with what came out with you. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I like that brutal. Yeah, right, because usually the other

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Speaker 1: I talked the front, I took got on the front

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Speaker 2: So, has it been a huge impact on your story

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Speaker 2: or not? Necessarily? I think that show that it has

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Speaker 2: been a positive impact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's just part of who I am. It's,

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Speaker 2: you know, an interesting piece of the puzzle. I had

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Speaker 2: never had any interest in finding my birth parents, and

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Speaker 2: you know, philosophically, I kind of have always been off

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Speaker 2: the belief. It's probably the most difficult decision for a

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Speaker 2: Nothing's easy, I should say, but to hand a baby

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Speaker 2: my birth mother to have done that is an incredible

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Speaker 2: gift from my perspective. But I also felt they gave

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Speaker 1: So and I had no interest in my mind.

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Speaker 2: Whoever that my birth parents were, they would have been

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Speaker 2: My mother did reach out several years ago, and her

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Speaker 2: I did meet her and we did yeah in the end,

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Speaker 2: but she didn't know who you were, right, No, no, no, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I subsequently founded all of that out so a small world.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love your whole approach and belief that. I think

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Speaker 2: that's great. And I mean, obviously you had these amazing parents.

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Speaker 2: He gave you a lot, so thinking about your character

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Speaker 2: now when you go back to young Kylie, like, obviously

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Speaker 2: Were you there sort of driven child as well? I

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Speaker 2: early interest in marketing and promotions and so on. My

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Speaker 2: I grew up at speedway and that I think where

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Speaker 1: I see that so often with people.

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Speaker 2: It's just these little moments that they experienced as a

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Speaker 2: careers in terms of media, obviously marketing promotions. But it

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Speaker 2: That is pretty self driven though at that age to

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Speaker 1: It's not tough stuff to do, is it. Well, I

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Speaker 2: I just know a lot of kids at that year

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Speaker 2: so you were doing on the voice radio talking on no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: This is not my happy space. Does this feel familiar? No,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, but it was a daggy old am

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Speaker 2: Was there a moment early on in your career that

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Speaker 2: And they essentially supercharged that station and converted it to

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Speaker 2: were incredible in terms of we want you to keep.

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Speaker 2: Albeit, yes, we want you to keep going, which means

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Speaker 1: It was building a life for Tom.

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Speaker 2: Ever, a consideration during that period where, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think like, I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: So when you stipped into the role of managing directs,

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Speaker 2: responded they had some freelance work.

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Speaker 2: don't get that till about eleven thirty. So could that

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00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:24,521
Speaker 2: not fit the rest of the day depending on what

440
00:22:24,521 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: it was like? Do we take it that seriously or

441
00:22:26,321 --> 00:22:28,561
Speaker 2: is it well? I think unlike radio, which you know

442
00:22:28,561 --> 00:22:30,401
Speaker 2: it's an eight week block and you get to wait

443
00:22:30,481 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: another ten weeks before you get the next result, the

444
00:22:32,681 --> 00:22:33,961
Speaker 2: next results of the next day.

445
00:22:34,281 --> 00:22:36,241
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you do it least go quickly.

446
00:22:36,281 --> 00:22:38,841
Speaker 2: You've got to keep moving and address if you think

447
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,241
Speaker 2: there was something that really went awry. You mentioned the

448
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: values of trust and honesty before, are there any other

449
00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:47,001
Speaker 2: kind of values that guide you through your career. I

450
00:22:47,041 --> 00:22:48,801
Speaker 2: think that goes to the point where if you find

451
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 2: something that you're truly passionate about, it won't really feel

452
00:22:51,441 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: like work.

453
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:52,321
Speaker 1: Yeah.

454
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:53,721
Speaker 2: You know when people sort of judge that and could

455
00:22:53,721 --> 00:22:55,241
Speaker 2: be like, oh, how could you not do that, it's like, well,

456
00:22:55,281 --> 00:22:57,081
Speaker 2: you're probably not doing something you love as much as

457
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, but what about values? What are the

458
00:22:59,481 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 2: things that you're now I'm firm on that trust, honesty,

459
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: and having the courage to have difficult conversations and to

460
00:23:08,321 --> 00:23:13,441
Speaker 2: be open to feedback, giving and receiving. I don't shy

461
00:23:13,521 --> 00:23:15,481
Speaker 2: away from having a difficult conversation.

462
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,081
Speaker 1: I don't love them. I know anyone that does.

463
00:23:19,201 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: And I do a fair amount of work to prepare

464
00:23:21,921 --> 00:23:26,441
Speaker 2: before to make sure that that's a considered approach. And

465
00:23:26,921 --> 00:23:31,041
Speaker 2: I think one of the things I pride myself on

466
00:23:31,241 --> 00:23:35,041
Speaker 2: as a leader is I am a relationship leader. I

467
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,281
Speaker 2: don't have to be friends with yevery one, but I

468
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,441
Speaker 2: want to have a connection where I can come in

469
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,561
Speaker 2: and be vulnerable and have an honest conversation with me

470
00:23:45,721 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: and I will share some of my story or where

471
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: I've stuffed something up and be vulnerable with them. But

472
00:23:54,721 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: I deeply care about the people that work for me

473
00:23:58,801 --> 00:23:59,281
Speaker 2: and with me.

474
00:23:59,761 --> 00:24:00,401
Speaker 1: I love that.

475
00:24:00,521 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: You're probably the first person of entruy who's worded it

476
00:24:02,561 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: like that, Like I want to have a relationship.

477
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,521
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I need to be as friends with you.

478
00:24:06,561 --> 00:24:07,761
Speaker 1: And that's a big difference, right.

479
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,041
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can't love or like everybody you work with

480
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: really well like all the same qualities, But you do

481
00:24:12,281 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: have to have a relationship, and I think people miss that. Yeah,

482
00:24:14,921 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: And then what are the elements of a relationship, And

483
00:24:17,321 --> 00:24:20,641
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's communication, it's transparency, it's all those things, yes,

484
00:24:20,721 --> 00:24:21,321
Speaker 2: And I love that.

485
00:24:21,321 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, love it. So when you're.

486
00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Creating a culture, whoever's at the top guides the culture

487
00:24:26,321 --> 00:24:29,281
Speaker 2: in a very large way. There particular things that you

488
00:24:29,321 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: do when you put into place, like rituals or is

489
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,841
Speaker 2: it sort of quite organic? I think it's organic your

490
00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: mood anyone in the offen in an organization, Your mood

491
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: can set the tone. So I just don't want to

492
00:24:41,961 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: walk into the building and not have an energy or

493
00:24:45,721 --> 00:24:48,481
Speaker 2: connect in some way. You know that show was great,

494
00:24:48,521 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: or that Primo was terrific, or you know I heard

495
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,321
Speaker 2: that on my way in on radio, and you know,

496
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,441
Speaker 2: having a chat to our content manager down at four pc.

497
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: So I think being able to have an engagement with

498
00:25:01,961 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: the product and an interest in the product shows that

499
00:25:06,201 --> 00:25:09,721
Speaker 2: you care. And ultimately, if people know that you care,

500
00:25:10,041 --> 00:25:14,001
Speaker 2: they clearly care. That's their job. That builds a collective

501
00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: joy in what we do. In fact, my definition of

502
00:25:17,201 --> 00:25:20,521
Speaker 2: culture is behavior repeated, right, And so what you've just

503
00:25:20,561 --> 00:25:23,761
Speaker 2: discribed is exactly that. Like if every day you're coming

504
00:25:23,801 --> 00:25:25,961
Speaker 2: in with some energy and positivity and I'm sure you

505
00:25:25,961 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: don't always feel like it, but that's kind of a

506
00:25:27,681 --> 00:25:28,481
Speaker 2: role right at the top.

507
00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: It sets a tone. And then that caring about what

508
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:31,681
Speaker 1: people are doing.

509
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point because in a lot of organizations,

510
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,161
Speaker 2: some stuff will say the person at the top doesn't

511
00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: even know what I do, so much more difficult. Doesn't

512
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: mean you have to be across everything, but a care

513
00:25:41,241 --> 00:25:44,281
Speaker 2: for what's going on. Yeah, And that's probably the challenge

514
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:48,321
Speaker 2: from me and having relatively small teams.

515
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,721
Speaker 1: So Channel nine.

516
00:25:50,241 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: There's probably one hundred and sixty people at Mount Kuther. Yeah,

517
00:25:55,481 --> 00:25:58,441
Speaker 2: that's a really manageable size to be able to have

518
00:25:58,561 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: a connection. But you throw in as our business and

519
00:26:02,801 --> 00:26:06,201
Speaker 2: our business is doing really well, big we have now

520
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: scaled through other businesses and so Brisbane Times.

521
00:26:10,561 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: For BC, I managed New South Wales.

522
00:26:13,481 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: NBN and DAH and so the number of people I

523
00:26:17,721 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: have responsibility for that stretches me to maintain those really

524
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: strong connections that I've always enjoyed at Channel nine and

525
00:26:29,241 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: need to stretch to be It also means that you

526
00:26:31,441 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: probably have to hire people to run these places. So

527
00:26:35,321 --> 00:26:37,921
Speaker 2: when you do that, like you lose co bit of control, right,

528
00:26:37,921 --> 00:26:40,201
Speaker 2: that's normal. So how do you ensure these people are

529
00:26:40,721 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: representing the way you want it to be done? Yeah?

530
00:26:43,481 --> 00:26:45,041
Speaker 1: Well, fortunately I don't have to.

531
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,001
Speaker 2: There's leadership and we're a matrix organization, but I have

532
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: a say in who's going to be in different roles

533
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: across different parts of the business. So building that rapport

534
00:26:55,801 --> 00:26:59,161
Speaker 2: with them and again empowering them to do what they

535
00:26:59,201 --> 00:27:03,001
Speaker 2: need to do and being that sounding board is critical

536
00:27:03,201 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: and getting the right people. And before we came on,

537
00:27:05,441 --> 00:27:08,281
Speaker 2: we're talking about when I think it was twenty sixteen,

538
00:27:08,521 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: took on responsibility for our Northern New South Wales station

539
00:27:11,521 --> 00:27:14,521
Speaker 2: of NBN and I was traveling. I didn't have a

540
00:27:14,561 --> 00:27:17,321
Speaker 2: general manager at the time, so again the tyranny of

541
00:27:17,561 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: jumping plane every week and all that painful stuff. But

542
00:27:20,921 --> 00:27:24,441
Speaker 2: you know, having a great general manager and that trusted

543
00:27:24,481 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: relationship allows them to absolutely thrive with day to day

544
00:27:28,801 --> 00:27:32,561
Speaker 2: hands on management and I can think about other things.

545
00:27:32,561 --> 00:27:35,201
Speaker 1: So good the dream I have to ask you this one.

546
00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:38,361
Speaker 2: So just in all those sort of females that I've interviewed,

547
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,001
Speaker 2: particularly instead of senior roles, generally speaking, a lot of

548
00:27:41,041 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: them have talked about the fact that sometimes you have

549
00:27:42,761 --> 00:27:44,761
Speaker 2: to over index a bit on the masculine side to

550
00:27:44,761 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: get heard or to get where they've got to win

551
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,521
Speaker 2: their career. What's your experience being in this space and

552
00:27:49,561 --> 00:27:51,201
Speaker 2: what advice would you give to women? And I even

553
00:27:51,241 --> 00:27:54,001
Speaker 2: say for myself because someone said to me, since you

554
00:27:54,001 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: started your last business, like you lost your feminine touch

555
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: of it, and I was a bit like, oh, and

556
00:27:58,961 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what that quite translates to me. Yeah,

557
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,561
Speaker 2: I do know that I can be stronger and more

558
00:28:03,561 --> 00:28:06,081
Speaker 2: assertive and firmer and get things done because I need

559
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,041
Speaker 2: to and I'm quite driven, and I'm like, maybe that

560
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,121
Speaker 2: just comes with the territory.

561
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,521
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you feel that at all? Dave,

562
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,561
Speaker 1: my partner, I think you're amazing by the way I

563
00:28:14,561 --> 00:28:15,961
Speaker 1: remember him gushing about you. Yeah.

564
00:28:16,041 --> 00:28:21,281
Speaker 2: Look, he's pretty amazing himself, but he does think I

565
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,921
Speaker 2: am the blokiest woman he's ever met. I think it's

566
00:28:25,921 --> 00:28:28,001
Speaker 2: a positive thing from his perspective.

567
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I have a masculine kind of demeanor.

568
00:28:32,201 --> 00:28:36,041
Speaker 2: I have significant interests in things that are aligned to

569
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: my business, which is sport, and I've always played competitive sport.

570
00:28:41,481 --> 00:28:45,041
Speaker 2: Nine has always been thought of as a boys club

571
00:28:45,201 --> 00:28:49,641
Speaker 2: there as ye right, But my experience at nine, I've

572
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:54,801
Speaker 2: never been inhibited or felt in any way disrespected or

573
00:28:54,921 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: not not valued. My early experiences with Kerry Packer was

574
00:28:59,521 --> 00:29:03,921
Speaker 2: very positive, and in a room full of blokes, was asked,

575
00:29:04,001 --> 00:29:05,201
Speaker 2: can I just ask.

576
00:29:05,281 --> 00:29:08,561
Speaker 1: You, Kylie, what do you think you are? Half the audience?

577
00:29:09,161 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: David Gindel gave me the opportunity to take on an

578
00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:14,041
Speaker 2: MD roll, which was phenomenal.

579
00:29:14,321 --> 00:29:18,081
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm just who I am. Haven't really

580
00:29:18,321 --> 00:29:19,401
Speaker 1: never felt like you needed to.

581
00:29:19,641 --> 00:29:22,681
Speaker 2: I get called out from my counterparts that it's not

582
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:26,601
Speaker 2: all about Queensland. You can't do everything in Queensland from

583
00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:29,681
Speaker 2: my southern counterparts, But I don't apologize.

584
00:29:29,841 --> 00:29:31,681
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't. Does it makes you good at your job?

585
00:29:31,961 --> 00:29:34,801
Speaker 2: You mentioned, David, your mintok that I hired you quite

586
00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: a few times, and what is it about heat that

587
00:29:37,281 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: he does for you or he demonstrates it's made him

588
00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:42,801
Speaker 2: such an impact in your life. He was the ultimate

589
00:29:42,961 --> 00:29:47,241
Speaker 2: people manager. I learned from the best. The value that

590
00:29:47,601 --> 00:29:50,361
Speaker 2: what I felt when he would ring me up on

591
00:29:50,401 --> 00:29:53,601
Speaker 2: a Sunday night and say, Blue, I saw this, and

592
00:29:53,641 --> 00:29:56,681
Speaker 2: why don't we do this? And that genuine interest in

593
00:29:56,721 --> 00:30:00,041
Speaker 2: my business and what I was doing or what we

594
00:30:00,041 --> 00:30:04,321
Speaker 2: were doing was powerful and that made me want to

595
00:30:04,361 --> 00:30:08,561
Speaker 2: do more and create more and do good. So that

596
00:30:08,721 --> 00:30:11,521
Speaker 2: was his strength. He first and foremost a content guy.

597
00:30:11,721 --> 00:30:15,841
Speaker 2: It was just it's all about the programs, the stories.

598
00:30:16,161 --> 00:30:19,121
Speaker 2: How we going to tell stories for our audience and

599
00:30:19,161 --> 00:30:20,241
Speaker 2: grow our audiences.

600
00:30:20,321 --> 00:30:21,681
Speaker 1: So statistically true.

601
00:30:21,721 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: Next to your parents, the next most influential is usually

602
00:30:24,761 --> 00:30:28,281
Speaker 2: Amica early on your career leader. Yes, and as you

603
00:30:28,281 --> 00:30:29,961
Speaker 2: can see, you've shown someone who showed you the right way,

604
00:30:29,961 --> 00:30:31,281
Speaker 2: in a people way, in a caring way, and you

605
00:30:31,361 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: adopted a lot of that. But it can go so

606
00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:35,681
Speaker 2: the other way for people. The impact someone can have,

607
00:30:35,801 --> 00:30:39,481
Speaker 2: oh completely and you know working under that fear, Yeah,

608
00:30:40,161 --> 00:30:43,841
Speaker 2: can't actually do anything without fear of being reprimanded, which

609
00:30:43,881 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: some people you know, might wrongly perceive because media can

610
00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:49,201
Speaker 2: be quite a cut threat industry, but it's great to

611
00:30:49,401 --> 00:30:52,281
Speaker 2: that that's not being and there's there's some jobs that

612
00:30:52,281 --> 00:30:57,321
Speaker 2: that's exactly what you need in a role direct clear instructions,

613
00:30:57,521 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: and that's a personality type that probably isn't where I said, Yeah,

614
00:31:01,441 --> 00:31:03,241
Speaker 2: I think at the moment, with the rise of AI

615
00:31:03,441 --> 00:31:06,921
Speaker 2: and everything happening and just so much change, there's such

616
00:31:07,041 --> 00:31:10,681
Speaker 2: pressure to innovate quickly to stay relevant. How is that

617
00:31:10,881 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: playing out for you at Channel nine, Like how does

618
00:31:12,481 --> 00:31:14,681
Speaker 2: it personally? Are you sort of staying open and fresh

619
00:31:14,761 --> 00:31:17,121
Speaker 2: to his I bit They coming from every direction, right, yeah,

620
00:31:17,201 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: lydia navigate that well. One thing about media, we have

621
00:31:21,841 --> 00:31:25,761
Speaker 2: been in a constant state of change for the last

622
00:31:25,761 --> 00:31:29,601
Speaker 2: thirty years. When I started, even just in television, there

623
00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:31,801
Speaker 2: was seven, nine, ten, the.

624
00:31:31,761 --> 00:31:33,241
Speaker 1: ABC and SBS.

625
00:31:33,481 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: Now you have multi channels, the linear freeware channels, you

626
00:31:39,521 --> 00:31:44,121
Speaker 2: have digi streaming. So that's the constant for us. So

627
00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:47,841
Speaker 2: that doesn't scare me. And you know, even from a

628
00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:52,641
Speaker 2: print newspaper perspective, evolution to digital and that we are

629
00:31:52,721 --> 00:31:57,001
Speaker 2: all evolving into a digital first business, data driven business.

630
00:31:57,201 --> 00:32:01,601
Speaker 2: AI is just the next frontier there's ethical considerations. From

631
00:32:01,721 --> 00:32:07,441
Speaker 2: our perspective, belief in trusted sources has never been more paramount,

632
00:32:07,681 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: and whilst AI will be an excellent tool and a

633
00:32:12,281 --> 00:32:19,761
Speaker 2: technical enhancement, we absolutely have to continue to ensure we

634
00:32:20,241 --> 00:32:23,761
Speaker 2: have a human at the forefront telling these stories and

635
00:32:23,801 --> 00:32:28,041
Speaker 2: making sure that we are providing that balanced commentary and

636
00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:31,401
Speaker 2: the storytelling that people deserve. I just wanted to quickly

637
00:32:31,521 --> 00:32:34,321
Speaker 2: pivot and ask you a bit about perhaps a passion

638
00:32:34,321 --> 00:32:36,641
Speaker 2: outside of media. So I know that you were on

639
00:32:36,641 --> 00:32:38,801
Speaker 2: the board of Young Care, yes, and a mutual friend

640
00:32:38,801 --> 00:32:41,801
Speaker 2: of ours was talking very fondly about your passion during

641
00:32:41,841 --> 00:32:43,961
Speaker 2: that And so for listeners, Young Care is an Australian

642
00:32:43,961 --> 00:32:47,201
Speaker 2: non for profit organization that ensures young people with high

643
00:32:47,201 --> 00:32:49,761
Speaker 2: physical support needs can live with choice in pens and

644
00:32:49,761 --> 00:32:51,481
Speaker 2: dignity and not be force into age care.

645
00:32:51,841 --> 00:32:54,001
Speaker 1: Can you share why this organization means so much to you?

646
00:32:54,561 --> 00:32:55,361
Speaker 1: It came from.

647
00:32:55,201 --> 00:32:59,041
Speaker 2: A personal connection for me, but also from a story

648
00:32:59,321 --> 00:33:04,401
Speaker 2: told on our network sixty Minutes by one of the

649
00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:08,081
Speaker 2: great story tellers and now Tara Brown, and.

650
00:33:08,041 --> 00:33:10,841
Speaker 1: It was a story of David and Sewan Connery.

651
00:33:11,241 --> 00:33:15,481
Speaker 2: Essentially, it was David and his mates who started Young

652
00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:19,761
Speaker 2: Care because there was nowhere appropriate for Chevorn to live.

653
00:33:20,161 --> 00:33:23,081
Speaker 2: HK was the only option available at that time, which

654
00:33:23,201 --> 00:33:27,761
Speaker 2: was just madness. One of David's mates was a producer

655
00:33:28,001 --> 00:33:31,321
Speaker 2: at nine at the time, and that's how the story

656
00:33:31,361 --> 00:33:31,921
Speaker 2: came about.

657
00:33:32,321 --> 00:33:33,921
Speaker 1: And from that day on.

658
00:33:33,921 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: It just captured my heart probably, but just his absolute

659
00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:43,561
Speaker 2: devotion to not only his wife but to a problem.

660
00:33:44,041 --> 00:33:50,321
Speaker 2: It was infectious and you just needed to do whatever

661
00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:52,681
Speaker 2: you could. And at that stage it was a partnership,

662
00:33:52,681 --> 00:33:57,281
Speaker 2: from a sponsorship, from those sorts of things, and ultimately

663
00:33:57,721 --> 00:33:59,761
Speaker 2: I got the invitation from David to sit.

664
00:33:59,641 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: On the board.

665
00:34:00,281 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: And again they're just special humans that get involved in

666
00:34:04,281 --> 00:34:08,801
Speaker 2: that organization, and our friend Anthony ended up being CEO

667
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: and what he did in terms of elevating Young Care

668
00:34:13,121 --> 00:34:16,281
Speaker 2: because I think what David never wanted it to be

669
00:34:16,681 --> 00:34:18,561
Speaker 2: was David Connery's charity.

670
00:34:18,921 --> 00:34:20,601
Speaker 1: It needed to be much bigger than that.

671
00:34:20,881 --> 00:34:24,081
Speaker 2: This is a national crisis that needed to be addressed,

672
00:34:24,201 --> 00:34:28,201
Speaker 2: and Anthony was able to elevate it and do some

673
00:34:28,281 --> 00:34:32,081
Speaker 2: great work with the federal government. So, you know, done

674
00:34:32,121 --> 00:34:35,561
Speaker 2: the desert and done all those sorts of things. Yeah.

675
00:34:35,761 --> 00:34:41,561
Speaker 2: So and with that, we've created documentaries and had Melissa Downs,

676
00:34:41,601 --> 00:34:44,641
Speaker 2: who is our six o'clock news reader. She did the

677
00:34:44,641 --> 00:34:48,761
Speaker 2: Desert and Youngker is embedded in nine and will forever

678
00:34:48,841 --> 00:34:49,561
Speaker 2: have that connection.

679
00:34:49,841 --> 00:34:50,521
Speaker 1: I love that, and.

680
00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:52,321
Speaker 2: I think there's obviously a really strong link with you

681
00:34:52,441 --> 00:34:55,841
Speaker 2: with storytelling, Like I think that whole the whole world

682
00:34:55,881 --> 00:34:58,241
Speaker 2: that you are in is about telling incredible stories. How

683
00:34:58,241 --> 00:35:00,801
Speaker 2: could you not with someone who has a value around

684
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:04,721
Speaker 2: deeply caring get very connected to things as they go on. Absolutely,

685
00:35:05,081 --> 00:35:09,241
Speaker 2: fact it's a state created charity is even better. So

686
00:35:09,321 --> 00:35:11,881
Speaker 2: the v of brave is vulnerability, right, and it's a

687
00:35:11,881 --> 00:35:15,841
Speaker 2: tricky one, particularly when you're in certain roles and industries

688
00:35:15,921 --> 00:35:18,441
Speaker 2: that perhaps there's more risk of being vulnerable. How do

689
00:35:18,441 --> 00:35:20,361
Speaker 2: you sort of navigate that sometimes? Because I actually find

690
00:35:20,361 --> 00:35:23,201
Speaker 2: you to be very vulnerable and open and it's really amazing.

691
00:35:23,521 --> 00:35:25,801
Speaker 2: Can you bring that same level at work or do

692
00:35:25,841 --> 00:35:26,801
Speaker 2: you have to kind of temper it?

693
00:35:27,401 --> 00:35:29,081
Speaker 1: What you see is what you get?

694
00:35:30,041 --> 00:35:32,001
Speaker 2: So you feel like you can always be really authentic?

695
00:35:32,081 --> 00:35:33,841
Speaker 2: And are they not things that you sometimes want to

696
00:35:33,841 --> 00:35:34,881
Speaker 2: say that might get you in trouble?

697
00:35:34,921 --> 00:35:35,921
Speaker 1: Have you've been really authentic?

698
00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:39,881
Speaker 2: I work in a pretty robust organization, so saying what

699
00:35:39,921 --> 00:35:43,361
Speaker 2: you think is encouraged. We've got a new head of

700
00:35:43,561 --> 00:35:47,041
Speaker 2: streaming and broadcast. Amanda Lang, who was with nine, has

701
00:35:47,121 --> 00:35:50,241
Speaker 2: come back to the business. I love Demanda then, love

702
00:35:50,241 --> 00:35:53,881
Speaker 2: her more now she's my boss now, which is fantastic.

703
00:35:54,161 --> 00:35:57,681
Speaker 2: And we had our offsite yesterday. You know, we want

704
00:35:57,721 --> 00:35:59,881
Speaker 2: to debate these things. We want to really thrash this

705
00:36:00,001 --> 00:36:02,321
Speaker 2: out so that we all walk out of here knowing

706
00:36:02,801 --> 00:36:06,881
Speaker 2: that you know, it may not necessarily be exactly right

707
00:36:06,921 --> 00:36:09,281
Speaker 2: for my part of the business, but it's in the

708
00:36:09,321 --> 00:36:11,841
Speaker 2: best interests of the other parts of the business and

709
00:36:12,001 --> 00:36:12,801
Speaker 2: as long as we've.

710
00:36:12,681 --> 00:36:15,601
Speaker 1: All had our opportunity to challenge.

711
00:36:15,681 --> 00:36:18,001
Speaker 2: And then but we make a call and we walk

712
00:36:18,041 --> 00:36:20,841
Speaker 2: out of this room knowing this is a decision that

713
00:36:20,881 --> 00:36:24,361
Speaker 2: we've made together is where we need to be. And

714
00:36:24,441 --> 00:36:28,361
Speaker 2: that's exactly where we walked out of the room yesterday.

715
00:36:28,481 --> 00:36:29,241
Speaker 1: Oh I love that.

716
00:36:29,281 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: So that's what's missing so much of the time, right,

717
00:36:31,601 --> 00:36:33,201
Speaker 2: I can thrash it out in a safe way.

718
00:36:33,481 --> 00:36:35,641
Speaker 1: Soviously you guys have that trust amongst you to do that.

719
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,641
Speaker 2: Just agree respectfully and get to a point, but the

720
00:36:38,681 --> 00:36:41,201
Speaker 2: idea of all being aligned, we walk away.

721
00:36:41,441 --> 00:36:43,561
Speaker 1: Absolutely And look, this is a new team that's been

722
00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:44,161
Speaker 1: brought together.

723
00:36:44,241 --> 00:36:48,761
Speaker 2: So our business again, Scale has been our secret source

724
00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:53,961
Speaker 2: at nine, we merged with Fairfax Newspapers. We had the

725
00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:58,841
Speaker 2: original joint venture with Fairfax full stand the streaming business obviously.

726
00:36:58,521 --> 00:36:59,241
Speaker 1: Nine and radio.

727
00:36:59,361 --> 00:37:03,601
Speaker 2: So we're now bringing those teams all together and under

728
00:37:03,641 --> 00:37:06,321
Speaker 2: the one leader, with Amanda in that role. So there's

729
00:37:06,361 --> 00:37:09,161
Speaker 2: going to be growing pains and new ways of working

730
00:37:09,201 --> 00:37:12,001
Speaker 2: and all of those things. But to go in with

731
00:37:12,081 --> 00:37:14,961
Speaker 2: the mindset that we need to be open to doing

732
00:37:15,001 --> 00:37:19,841
Speaker 2: things differently and use this type as leaders to really

733
00:37:19,881 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: get it clear in our own minds and crystallize what

734
00:37:22,521 --> 00:37:24,361
Speaker 2: this is going to be for the best interests of

735
00:37:24,361 --> 00:37:28,121
Speaker 2: the business, and then go forth and deliver that and

736
00:37:28,281 --> 00:37:31,401
Speaker 2: bring it to life within our own parts of the business.

737
00:37:31,721 --> 00:37:34,241
Speaker 1: Is the focus. How do you feel about empathy?

738
00:37:34,321 --> 00:37:37,401
Speaker 2: Because I find empathy seems to be everyone's most sort

739
00:37:37,441 --> 00:37:40,041
Speaker 2: of tricky one to navigate because especially when you're in

740
00:37:40,081 --> 00:37:42,321
Speaker 2: a fast paced you know how much space is there

741
00:37:42,361 --> 00:37:43,761
Speaker 2: for too much of that. But at the same token,

742
00:37:43,961 --> 00:37:46,121
Speaker 2: like are you and natural? I say this because they

743
00:37:46,161 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: ran this event yesterday. We're getting people to learn about

744
00:37:48,441 --> 00:37:52,361
Speaker 2: empathy and sitting with emotions, and everyone and their practice

745
00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:54,121
Speaker 2: tried to solve the person's problem.

746
00:37:54,441 --> 00:37:57,321
Speaker 1: Probably my weakness. Okay, it'll be great it'll be great.

747
00:37:57,321 --> 00:37:59,281
Speaker 1: What is this? Yeah, why don't I just pick up

748
00:37:59,321 --> 00:37:59,681
Speaker 1: the phone?

749
00:37:59,721 --> 00:38:03,081
Speaker 2: And I think I'm an empathetic person, Yeah, but want

750
00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:07,321
Speaker 2: to solve problems. Problem solving up but yeah, just taking

751
00:38:07,321 --> 00:38:10,401
Speaker 2: a breath and sitting with things.

752
00:38:10,761 --> 00:38:13,481
Speaker 1: I could be much better at that. And yeah, as

753
00:38:13,521 --> 00:38:16,561
Speaker 1: I say, not trying to solve other people's problems. Yeah,

754
00:38:16,561 --> 00:38:18,441
Speaker 1: it's hard not to. I don't know about you.

755
00:38:18,481 --> 00:38:21,201
Speaker 2: Are you? How are you with the quiet walks and

756
00:38:21,401 --> 00:38:23,681
Speaker 2: meditation and box breathing. Can I see you doing things

757
00:38:23,721 --> 00:38:27,801
Speaker 2: like that? I do really love big walks. I don't

758
00:38:28,001 --> 00:38:31,241
Speaker 2: love talking. If David and I do sort of a

759
00:38:31,241 --> 00:38:33,841
Speaker 2: ten k walk on the weekend or whatever, you won't.

760
00:38:33,641 --> 00:38:36,241
Speaker 1: Talk together barely, right, Okay, I.

761
00:38:36,161 --> 00:38:39,161
Speaker 2: Mean comfortable silences are great. Yeah, look we'll have a

762
00:38:39,201 --> 00:38:41,561
Speaker 2: standing Yeah, no, I mean we'll do a little bit

763
00:38:41,561 --> 00:38:43,681
Speaker 2: of a you know, da da d. That's probably the

764
00:38:43,761 --> 00:38:47,201
Speaker 2: time where I work through stuff that needs to be

765
00:38:47,361 --> 00:38:50,121
Speaker 2: thought about and considered. But it's a different dynamic. If

766
00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:52,481
Speaker 2: I go for a work with my girlfriends, I probably

767
00:38:52,521 --> 00:38:54,521
Speaker 2: don't talk a lot, but I'm happy to listen to

768
00:38:54,841 --> 00:38:56,641
Speaker 2: the chat. Well, you've got to have some balance. You

769
00:38:56,641 --> 00:38:58,481
Speaker 2: have a very busy life. You need to quiet your

770
00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:00,881
Speaker 2: mind some way. Maybe that's your space when you're walking

771
00:39:00,881 --> 00:39:03,521
Speaker 2: in Maybe I totally get that. Okay, I've got a

772
00:39:03,521 --> 00:39:05,721
Speaker 2: couple last questions before I wrap up here, So I'm

773
00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:07,281
Speaker 2: not going to ask you what's Nicks for nine as

774
00:39:07,321 --> 00:39:09,241
Speaker 2: in terms of that, but what are you excited about

775
00:39:09,281 --> 00:39:11,561
Speaker 2: for the future. Just the fact that I'm at this

776
00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:14,921
Speaker 2: point in my career, I am learning all new stuff,

777
00:39:15,361 --> 00:39:18,201
Speaker 2: so as I try and get my head around publishing

778
00:39:18,281 --> 00:39:20,801
Speaker 2: part side of the business and working with Rosie who's

779
00:39:20,801 --> 00:39:23,361
Speaker 2: the editor of the Brisbane Times, to try and understand

780
00:39:23,401 --> 00:39:25,361
Speaker 2: what does she need and what does that business need.

781
00:39:26,041 --> 00:39:28,401
Speaker 1: So that and the streaming business.

782
00:39:28,641 --> 00:39:30,721
Speaker 2: Stan has kind of been very much off to the

783
00:39:30,801 --> 00:39:34,561
Speaker 2: side in our business, so getting the chance to learn.

784
00:39:34,521 --> 00:39:36,881
Speaker 1: How that operates is really stimulating.

785
00:39:37,641 --> 00:39:40,201
Speaker 2: From that perspective, I think there's a lot to keep

786
00:39:40,241 --> 00:39:43,841
Speaker 2: me interested motivated. Having said that, I did get this

787
00:39:43,961 --> 00:39:47,681
Speaker 2: job in twenty ten fifteen years, at some point someone's

788
00:39:47,721 --> 00:39:50,801
Speaker 2: going to go or I should be going enough, and

789
00:39:50,961 --> 00:39:54,241
Speaker 2: I think renewal is important, so you know that's going

790
00:39:54,281 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: to need to happen at some point. So what does

791
00:39:57,481 --> 00:40:00,921
Speaker 2: that look like? That's something I'm thinking about, being honest.

792
00:40:00,721 --> 00:40:01,561
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's great.

793
00:40:01,681 --> 00:40:04,361
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you may continue career in media and

794
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,761
Speaker 2: other facets. But if you did it, if I sort

795
00:40:06,761 --> 00:40:09,361
Speaker 2: of said to you the next chapter wasn't allowed to

796
00:40:09,361 --> 00:40:12,361
Speaker 2: involve anything to do with media, what would I find

797
00:40:12,401 --> 00:40:16,201
Speaker 2: you doing. I probably would be heading to a not

798
00:40:16,321 --> 00:40:19,001
Speaker 2: for profit in some way, shape or form. I think

799
00:40:19,121 --> 00:40:22,921
Speaker 2: if I'm not doing what I'm absolutely passionate about from

800
00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:28,121
Speaker 2: a career profession perspective, I will need another purpose, and

801
00:40:28,201 --> 00:40:30,721
Speaker 2: having a true purpose would.

802
00:40:30,401 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: Be very motivating. And that's perhaps where I would see

803
00:40:34,961 --> 00:40:36,281
Speaker 1: that I could say that, and I love what you

804
00:40:36,281 --> 00:40:36,841
Speaker 1: said before.

805
00:40:37,161 --> 00:40:38,681
Speaker 2: I think a lot of listeners need to see this,

806
00:40:38,801 --> 00:40:41,241
Speaker 2: that this opportunity with growth, with change, with AI, with

807
00:40:41,281 --> 00:40:42,081
Speaker 2: everything that's happening.

808
00:40:42,201 --> 00:40:43,921
Speaker 1: You said the word I'm learning on your stuff.

809
00:40:43,961 --> 00:40:45,521
Speaker 2: I mean that's a bit of a gift, because sometimes

810
00:40:45,561 --> 00:40:46,761
Speaker 2: you can get to a stale point in your career

811
00:40:46,841 --> 00:40:50,281
Speaker 2: you know everything, and suddenly you know there's so much opportunity.

812
00:40:50,401 --> 00:40:52,881
Speaker 2: So I think I like that. It's a really beautiful lens. Well,

813
00:40:52,921 --> 00:40:54,641
Speaker 2: it has been an absolute pleasure. I guess I will

814
00:40:54,641 --> 00:40:58,161
Speaker 2: finish on asking you. Let's go back to twenty eleven,

815
00:40:58,361 --> 00:41:01,001
Speaker 2: just after the floods, and then you go through what happened?

816
00:41:01,041 --> 00:41:02,121
Speaker 1: Your biggest challenge there?

817
00:41:02,361 --> 00:41:04,641
Speaker 2: What advice would you give yourself now when you look

818
00:41:04,681 --> 00:41:06,641
Speaker 2: back at the last sort of fifteen years.

819
00:41:06,801 --> 00:41:10,041
Speaker 1: Be kinder to yourself. I really beat myself up at

820
00:41:10,041 --> 00:41:13,041
Speaker 1: that stage. I felt I let the team down.

821
00:41:13,561 --> 00:41:16,161
Speaker 2: I would go home each day and just have a

822
00:41:16,201 --> 00:41:20,521
Speaker 2: big cry and beat myself up over it and second

823
00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:24,241
Speaker 2: guess and all of those things. But you know, they

824
00:41:24,241 --> 00:41:28,801
Speaker 2: were tough decisions. Ultimately they were the right decisions, And

825
00:41:28,881 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: if I'd known that then I probably wouldn't have cried

826
00:41:31,521 --> 00:41:33,121
Speaker 2: as much, because that sounds like a lot of self

827
00:41:33,161 --> 00:41:36,841
Speaker 2: compassion for yourself. This leader who allows others to make

828
00:41:36,841 --> 00:41:38,721
Speaker 2: mistakes should beat people up, and yet you're being so

829
00:41:38,841 --> 00:41:39,201
Speaker 2: and it.

830
00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:40,161
Speaker 1: Wasn't you know your fault?

831
00:41:40,201 --> 00:41:41,881
Speaker 2: Do you now think that you are a lot more

832
00:41:41,881 --> 00:41:44,161
Speaker 2: better at being self compassionate when things go wrong.

833
00:41:44,281 --> 00:41:47,041
Speaker 1: I just think that you have so much more experience.

834
00:41:47,121 --> 00:41:50,161
Speaker 1: You just know that they're not life or death situations.

835
00:41:50,241 --> 00:41:53,121
Speaker 2: You just roll with the punches and you know it's

836
00:41:53,201 --> 00:41:54,841
Speaker 2: going to be okay with a.

837
00:41:54,801 --> 00:41:56,401
Speaker 1: Bit of time, and you manage.

838
00:41:56,521 --> 00:42:00,641
Speaker 2: You know there's been some difficult times since then, you

839
00:42:00,761 --> 00:42:03,441
Speaker 2: manage it as best as you can at the time.

840
00:42:03,761 --> 00:42:07,001
Speaker 1: And learn from it. Amazing. It has been an absolute

841
00:42:07,041 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: pleasure talking to you today.

842
00:42:08,041 --> 00:42:10,681
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed that and there's some really great nuggets

843
00:42:10,681 --> 00:42:12,281
Speaker 2: for people in there, so thank you so much, Thank

844
00:42:12,281 --> 00:42:13,041
Speaker 2: you for having me