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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Stephen Drill, the host of a new podcast from

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<v Speaker 2>the team behind I Catch Killers. It's called Cocaine Inc.

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<v Speaker 2>A team of three reporters have traveled fifty thousand kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>across the globe to bring you an unprecedented insight into

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<v Speaker 2>the cocaine business. We speak to corrupt doc workers in Rotterdam,

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<v Speaker 2>shady gold dealers in Dubai, and taking inside Mexico's Narco

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<v Speaker 2>tunnels where cocaine is smuggled into the US. Check out

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<v Speaker 2>Cocaine Inc. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a video game, this is real life.

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<v Speaker 3>Your goals to a fucking poplar Christmas Eve with a

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<v Speaker 3>machine gul if it was someone going there with a baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have a grievance with someone that's Sunderds. That

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<v Speaker 3>happens every weekend. But you go somewhere with the machine

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<v Speaker 3>muscle when it is you go on as kill someone.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Christmas Eve. On the We're all a comfortable suburban

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<v Speaker 4>area just outside Liverpool, a port city in the north

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<v Speaker 4>of England. Twenty six year old Ellie Edwards is heading

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<v Speaker 4>to a local pub with her younger sister Lucy. Ellie

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<v Speaker 4>is a little less enthusiastic than her sister. She's been

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<v Speaker 4>hungover for a couple of days already, but she's decided

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<v Speaker 4>to head out for another night a beautician. Her long

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<v Speaker 4>blonde hair falls down over her leather jacket and a

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<v Speaker 4>big silver necklace. Inside the Lighthouse Pub, the sisters are

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<v Speaker 4>soon singing and dancing together. Sometime after nine point thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 4>Lucy heads home. She tells Ellie not to stay out late.

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<v Speaker 4>Ellie says she'll just be another hour and continues back

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<v Speaker 4>at the pub. What Ellie cannot know is that a

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<v Speaker 4>man is also standing outside the pub in the car park.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been waiting and watching the area for around three hours.

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<v Speaker 4>He's carrying a Scorpion submachine gun. I'm Fiona Hamilton, the

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<v Speaker 4>chief reporter at The Times and from The Times, The

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday Times and News Corps Australia. This is Cocaine. In

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<v Speaker 4>episode one, are shooting at Christmas. Trying to understand what

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<v Speaker 4>happened next on that night in twenty twenty two ended

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<v Speaker 4>up being a much bigger task than one reporter could

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<v Speaker 4>do alone. Over the past year, I've been working in

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<v Speaker 4>a team from two separate countries with my colleagues David

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<v Speaker 4>Collins from the Sunday Times in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were part of a group that smuggled one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million pounds out of the UK. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>reflect on that?

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<v Speaker 4>And Stephen Drill from News Corps Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the end of the line.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just about to go in knock on the door

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<v Speaker 2>of a ten million dollar house that is accused of

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<v Speaker 2>being the proceeds of crime.

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<v Speaker 4>This investigation has taken us to ten different cities in

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<v Speaker 4>six countries, traveling over fifty thousand kilometers, following trail from

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<v Speaker 4>that pub in northern England where Ellie was celebrating Christmas,

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<v Speaker 4>and leading us to Colombian cartels, drug smuggling in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 4>a torture chamber in the Netherlands, money laundering in the

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<v Speaker 4>Middle East, and police raids across Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney's gun crime epidemic has claimed two more lives tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Police have established Task Force Magnus to try to win

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<v Speaker 3>the bloodshed.

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<v Speaker 4>What we uncovered was a global business operation based around

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<v Speaker 4>a single illegal product, one so common that, let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 4>it's likely that you or someone you know has snorted

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<v Speaker 4>a line recently we'll reveal how the world's legitimate business

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<v Speaker 4>empires trading floors and boardrooms have their shadowy equivalents in

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<v Speaker 4>the cartels, traffickers and kingpins. But for now, this story

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<v Speaker 4>starts with Ellie Edwards. David Collins, the Sunday Times Northern editor,

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<v Speaker 4>went to meet her father.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Merseyside, probably most famous around the world for

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<v Speaker 1>the Beatles and Liverpool football club, from the city of

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<v Speaker 1>Liverpool itself. I've made a short drive through the Kingsway

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel under the river to an area called the wirel

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<v Speaker 1>Like David, I've come to meet Tim Edwards. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>father of Ellie Edwards, the young woman who went to

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<v Speaker 1>the pub on Christmas Eve. He's never spoken about that night.

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<v Speaker 1>In the detail you're about to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't get any easier. Sometimes you can. You can

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<v Speaker 3>feel you're getting ahead a bit and dealing with things,

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<v Speaker 3>and everything's getting you know, it's going to be brighter

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<v Speaker 3>as the future, and then something will come along and

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<v Speaker 3>trigger a memory or and then I might struggle for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days, But as it happens, today, today's

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<v Speaker 3>a good day.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim is tall and broad, with thick streaked gray hair

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<v Speaker 1>and a beard. He's an imposing figure and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you might describe him as a man's man, the type

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<v Speaker 1>of guy you'd sink a few pints in the pub

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<v Speaker 1>with and chat about football and life. He was born

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy one and came of age in Liverpool

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, a tough time for the city with

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<v Speaker 1>high unemployment, but he remembers a close knit working class community.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter how bad things were, your neighbor would be

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<v Speaker 3>looking out for you, you know, the local bobby. He

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<v Speaker 3>would be on a bike or he'd be walking around

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<v Speaker 3>and he'd be keeping an eye on the kids. Then

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<v Speaker 3>if the kids would get up, you know good, he'd

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<v Speaker 3>just go on knock on the door and tell your

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<v Speaker 3>mother than father the next minute you get a clip

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<v Speaker 3>around here.

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<v Speaker 1>Or when he got in as a young man, like many,

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<v Speaker 1>he went out clubbing, which is where he met his wife, Gainer.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in the ninety early nineties. The club seems massive

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<v Speaker 3>and Liverpool and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I met her on a nighthouse and what happened

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<v Speaker 1>after that you were.

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<v Speaker 3>Just yeah, just fell in love. Yeah, fell in love.

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<v Speaker 3>I started having kids. I was a young lad and

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<v Speaker 3>I was just a whatever I could to put food

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<v Speaker 3>on the table and build a family, you know, build

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<v Speaker 3>a home. That just did me best.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple's first child was a boy, and then on

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth of May in nineteen ninety six, their second

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<v Speaker 1>came along, a daughter called Ellie.

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<v Speaker 3>She was never a problem. She was always there's some

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<v Speaker 3>kids want when the babies are to be up all night,

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<v Speaker 3>the one feet and every couple of a couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 3>What left my life? Yeah? So yeah, she was never

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<v Speaker 3>a bother. We have four kids all together, Connor, Ellie,

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<v Speaker 3>Lucy and George. It was a great It was a

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<v Speaker 3>happy house.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you remember Ellie's bedroom when she was a tea?

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<v Speaker 3>Like typical typical girl, to be honest, if he could help,

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<v Speaker 3>but never went in there. Yeah, typical teenagers where you

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<v Speaker 3>just don't want to go in there.

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<v Speaker 1>You just don't know what you're going to find. What

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<v Speaker 1>was she into? What would she do on her a

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night for.

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<v Speaker 3>Example, Well when she was a child, or.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in a fifteen sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I remember their best friend. She died of

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<v Speaker 3>her and I must have seen every color of the

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<v Speaker 3>rainbow at least three times over. You'd see them coming

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<v Speaker 3>now ready to go out on Friday, Saturday night or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'd have different color of it.

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<v Speaker 1>As an adult, Ellie put that creativity to good use.

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<v Speaker 1>She left school at sixteen to study beauty at college

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<v Speaker 1>and also became a qualified dental nurse.

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<v Speaker 3>She had a bit of space in one of her

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<v Speaker 3>friends had a beauty She wanted to build this beautician

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<v Speaker 3>side of her life for killer if you like. And

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<v Speaker 3>Monday to Friday she would do the gentleness work. So

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<v Speaker 3>that was a bread and butter if you like. So

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<v Speaker 3>she worked hard, she worked early hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie was a young woman with a bright future ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of her, balancing two careers and close with her family.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Tim and Gainor had now split, Christmas remained a

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<v Speaker 1>full and happy time.

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<v Speaker 3>Because although me and the one were not together, and

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't been for a couple of years, but I

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<v Speaker 3>would still make the Christmas dinner and we would all

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<v Speaker 3>meet up and have Christmas together.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you remember Christmas Eve? And did you see

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie that day?

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<v Speaker 3>We'd been out the day before to Manchester, We've been

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<v Speaker 3>to from markets and shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 3>The next day she'd bought me a coat for Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>And the original plan was for her to come to

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<v Speaker 3>mine and she was going to help me wrap the

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<v Speaker 3>presents for me grands, all the other kids and there and.

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<v Speaker 1>What she didn't Instead of wrapping presents, though, Ellie rang

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<v Speaker 1>her dad and said she was going out with her

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<v Speaker 1>sister Lucy. The pair were close, and Lucy had made

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise trip back from Dubai for the festive period.

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<v Speaker 3>It could have been so different if we'd just stuck

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<v Speaker 3>to our plan, but girls being the girls, it was

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<v Speaker 3>never going to stick to that plan.

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<v Speaker 1>She just gone out.

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<v Speaker 3>We're friends, which is quite right what you should have

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<v Speaker 3>been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie and Lucy headed to a pub called the Lighthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>The pubs in the middle of a small row of

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<v Speaker 1>shops and businesses, surrounded by residential streets and set a

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<v Speaker 1>little back from the road. There's a large beer garden

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<v Speaker 1>out front. Inside it's a big, spacious boozer, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of place where you can watch sport, play pool, gamble

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<v Speaker 1>on the machines in the corner. Back at home, Tim

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<v Speaker 1>went to bed.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what time. It was, well three o'clock,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe two o'clock, I don't know. And they eventually they

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<v Speaker 3>banged on my door and got me up power bed

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<v Speaker 3>and he opened the doors saw.

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<v Speaker 1>And can you remember what he said to you? Said?

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<v Speaker 3>It was early we need Tory Gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's pause a second, because on that Christmas Eve, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the actions of someone Tim had never even heard of

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<v Speaker 1>that would change his life beyond recognition. A few miles

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<v Speaker 1>from the pub, a man puts on dark clothes with

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<v Speaker 1>a hood and gloves. He gets in a stolen Mercedes

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<v Speaker 1>with false license plates. For three hours, he drives to

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<v Speaker 1>six different locations, watching and waiting, before finally settling on

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<v Speaker 1>a parking spot near the front of the lighthouse. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, Ellie is laughing with friends inside the pub.

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<v Speaker 1>She spots someone across the room and makes her way

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<v Speaker 1>over to give them a hug. At eleven forty seven pm,

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<v Speaker 1>she goes outside for a cigarette. In the car park,

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<v Speaker 1>the man waits around the corner, out of sight, wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a mask. He's holding the Scorpion submachine gun loaded with

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<v Speaker 1>twelve bullets. He moves forward until he's only a few

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<v Speaker 1>meters away from Ellie and fires. CCTV caught the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>the man retreats, scrambles into the stolen car, and speeds off.

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<v Speaker 1>Six people have been shot.

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember getting to the hospital h as click

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<v Speaker 3>as it could. It was quite hearing. There was no

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<v Speaker 3>one there. Oh, I remember the sage and coming down

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<v Speaker 3>and he's just just was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was obviously the early hours of the morning

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Christmas Day. There's nobody there, and there's You're with

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<v Speaker 1>your son and.

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<v Speaker 3>The kids and all the family and the apology the

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<v Speaker 3>children's was which was crazy. It was I remember, I

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<v Speaker 3>was just angry. There was no patience or kids in it.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, yeah, I was just very angry.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it the surgeon in that moment that broke the

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<v Speaker 1>news that Elliot had died?

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<v Speaker 3>And what was.

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<v Speaker 1>And your initial act reaction was anger?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, I was just ready. I was ready to

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<v Speaker 3>go to war. I was ready to flatten the hole

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<v Speaker 3>of the world, no bother.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you have any idea at that point of

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<v Speaker 1>how she died?

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<v Speaker 3>They knew she'd been shot. Well that was the only

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<v Speaker 3>thing really I was still though. I was contained. She

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<v Speaker 3>was going to turn up at the most. I tried

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<v Speaker 3>drinking her phone.

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<v Speaker 1>After the moment with the surgery, tried to ring a phone.

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<v Speaker 5>Hm.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the purpose of ringing her phone.

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<v Speaker 3>To speak to her?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get a voicemail or a message or just

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<v Speaker 1>for I actually remember seeing Tim on television after Ellie's death.

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<v Speaker 1>On Boxing Day, he went to lay flowers on the

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<v Speaker 1>pavement outside the pub. The waiting news cameras zoomed in

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<v Speaker 1>on him as he arrived.

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<v Speaker 6>At the scene where she was killed. Ellie's family came

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<v Speaker 6>to lay flowers for a woman they so deeply loved.

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<v Speaker 6>On what was supposed to be the happiest few days,

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<v Speaker 6>they've undoubtedly been the worst.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a blair, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>So much happens.

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<v Speaker 3>I always explain that there's been in an elevator that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't stop at any floor, just keeps calling up so

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<v Speaker 3>you can never get off. Just so much that goes

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<v Speaker 3>on really quickly to process, and I was protecting the

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<v Speaker 3>family from having to deal with all that, so I

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<v Speaker 3>bore the brunts of all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Merseyside Police acted quickly. Hello.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, I'm going to read a statement on

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<v Speaker 5>behalf of Ellie's family. There was no one as beautiful

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<v Speaker 5>as our Ellie may her looks.

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<v Speaker 1>In a press conference in the week after Ellie's death,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched Tim sitting next to a detective superintendent as

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<v Speaker 1>she read from a statement the family had.

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<v Speaker 5>Written everyone that knew and met el knew how special

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<v Speaker 5>she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Off the six people were shot that night, Ellie was

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<v Speaker 1>only one not to survive. Looking back at this now,

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<v Speaker 1>the grief is obvious on Tim's face. From time to time,

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<v Speaker 1>he sniffs and his lip quivers as if he's holding

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<v Speaker 1>back tears. The officer appeals for information.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't deserve to be protected. They belong in prison.

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<v Speaker 5>We know that the answers to this lie within our communities.

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<v Speaker 5>So my appeal to you is, please tell us what

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<v Speaker 5>you know and help us get justice for Ellie's family.

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<v Speaker 1>And the public responded. In a week after her murder,

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<v Speaker 1>the police received a hundred and fifty tips and leads,

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<v Speaker 1>suggestions of people to look at and over potential evidence. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>after two weeks, on the tenth of January in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, a twenty two year old called Connor Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested in North Wales. He was spotted in a

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<v Speaker 1>supermarket where he's rushed at the check out and detained

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<v Speaker 1>by playing clothes police officers.

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<v Speaker 3>This is surrendous. What do you know you go so

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<v Speaker 3>pub with a machine gun and Christmas Eve? Really, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>this is not a video game. This is real life.

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<v Speaker 3>You go so fucking pub on Christmas Eve with a

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<v Speaker 3>machine gun if it was someone going over a baseball

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<v Speaker 3>bat and have a grievance with someone, that's standard, that

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<v Speaker 3>happens every weekend. But you go somewhere with the machine

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<v Speaker 3>guns matter when it is you go on is kill someone.

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<v Speaker 3>That machine gun is not gonna just slightly hate someone.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to kill someone. So who have fuck goes

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<v Speaker 3>over with that mentality, and especially on Christmas Eve. I

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<v Speaker 3>just it's one thing that makes me angry. What part

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<v Speaker 3>of your brain makes that think that that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman soon found himself in the dock at Liverpool Crown Court.

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<v Speaker 3>The very first day of the trial, he walked into

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<v Speaker 3>the courtroom. He's obviously behind a piece of glass and

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<v Speaker 3>all that protected, but he decided to give it a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a show of bravado. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>within twenty minutes he never looked at me again, because

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<v Speaker 3>he's just a coward.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial lasted sixteen days and after around four hours

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<v Speaker 1>of deliberation, the jury found Chapman guilty of Ellie's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge sentenced him to forty eight years behind bars.

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<v Speaker 7>The murder of Ellie Edwards has caused profound and permanent

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<v Speaker 7>grief to her family and a great shock to the

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<v Speaker 7>entire community. So that it's understood by you, Connor Chapman,

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<v Speaker 7>as well as those who are observing. It means that

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<v Speaker 7>you will have to serve forty eight years in custody

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<v Speaker 7>before you could apply for release, and if you're ever released,

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<v Speaker 7>and considering your dangerousness, that might never happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in the last few minutes this guilty verdict for

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<v Speaker 1>Connor Chapman found guilty of murdering Ellie Edwards.

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<v Speaker 6>Ellie Edwards's father Tim once again looking directly at Connor

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<v Speaker 6>Chapman as those verdicts were read out to him as

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<v Speaker 6>he stood in the dock.

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<v Speaker 3>The amounts of people involved in this investigation from day one,

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<v Speaker 3>literally from the minute it happened, has been remarkable, and

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<v Speaker 3>they did not give up. They were relentless and achieving

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<v Speaker 3>the goal, which is to get justice for Ellie and

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<v Speaker 3>catch the killer. Thankfully, now he's got forty eight years

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<v Speaker 3>and hopefully he never sees Christmas again.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your feelings towards I mean, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier to me before the interview. You know you

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<v Speaker 1>can't even say his name.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never mention his name. Doesn't deserve the breath out

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<v Speaker 3>of my mouth. So mentioned his name as far as

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<v Speaker 3>I was a piece of shit, And what happened to

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<v Speaker 3>him until his last breath, I couldn't curless.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was Chapman doing that night? Why was he

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<v Speaker 1>spraying bullets into a busy pub beer garden. Well, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>actually been targeting two men who Ellie happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>standing near. You see, Chapman was from a place called

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<v Speaker 1>the wood Church Estate, a notorious area not far from

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<v Speaker 1>the pub. The previous day, one of his associates had

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<v Speaker 1>been beaten up by rival gang. He was seeking revenge.

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<v Speaker 1>When the case came to court, Chapman said he was

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<v Speaker 1>a quote low level cocaine dealer. The shooting was part

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<v Speaker 1>of an ongoing conflict between rival gangs fighting over territory

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<v Speaker 1>in the area's cocaine trade. The same month that Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted of murder, July twenty twenty three, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the world, five people were shot within

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<v Speaker 1>five days in Sydney, Australia, two of them killed in

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<v Speaker 1>another tit for tat gang.

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<v Speaker 2>Conflict, escalating gang wars in Sydney is leading our bullsom

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<v Speaker 2>with New South Wales police under pressure to approve they

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<v Speaker 2>have controlled the street.

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<v Speaker 1>That conflict was over a shipment of cocaine that went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>The shipment was said to be worth around one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million Australian dollars. One of the murdered men was left

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the road. School children subjected to the horror

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<v Speaker 1>on a Canterbury street passing the body of a man

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<v Speaker 1>his death. Like in that gang war, and like Ellie's,

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<v Speaker 1>had one thing in common we rid all is cocaine.

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<v Speaker 2>Mainly that gets enormous profits for criminals here in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>The cocaine trade one of the most lucrative businesses in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, a business where the global supply is currently

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<v Speaker 1>at record levels, where the profits are counted in millions

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<v Speaker 1>and the loss is measured out in murders. But those

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<v Speaker 1>in charge don't care about the human cost. It's only

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<v Speaker 1>business and right now business is good. Coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>this series we go inside that multimillion dollar global industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Very casually. The guy says, all right, so if they've

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<v Speaker 1>found this, they know about the torture self, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>torts yourself what are you talking about. I'm down here

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<v Speaker 1>in a NA tunnel. We're about eighty meters from the

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican border, and to be honest, it's just quite frightening.

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<v Speaker 8>I raise my hands and I say to my God,

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<v Speaker 8>I forgive the person that did me that. And I

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<v Speaker 8>say to my God, forgive them and forgive me, because

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<v Speaker 8>in this thing I need you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can arrest our way out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>They are twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 2>They are notified by money, greed and ego, and that

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<v Speaker 2>drives and it's power.

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<v Speaker 1>Just between you and me, just between your me. Literally.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the money might be from like drugs in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>You're worried, it's too dangerous to get out. Are you

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<v Speaker 4>worried about my safety?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course.

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<v Speaker 9>You are, my guest.

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<v Speaker 1>What are these rows about? Do you think you know.

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<v Speaker 8>What it's about. I don't have to say the word,

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<v Speaker 8>you know the word drugs.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm getting down today.

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<v Speaker 9>The first time I saw the money, I felt like

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<v Speaker 9>I was in a film. I couldn't believe how much

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<v Speaker 9>it was, and I thought, what the fuck have I

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<v Speaker 9>got myself into?

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<v Speaker 1>How would you like her to be remembered.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like it to be remembered for being a good soul,

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<v Speaker 3>good example, two women.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fortunate there I got to to see the grand

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<v Speaker 3>kids that we may have had. Really but just oh,

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<v Speaker 3>she's always spoke about in a good, positive way.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Eli died, a foundation that has been set up

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<v Speaker 1>in her name. Its mission is to raise awareness of

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<v Speaker 1>gun crime and help families affected by it.

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<v Speaker 4>Cocaine Inc. Is a joint investigation from the Times, The

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday Times and News Corps Australia. The reporters are David Collins,

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<v Speaker 4>Stephen Drill and me Fiona Hamilton. The series is produced

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<v Speaker 4>by Sam genter Attack. The executive producers are Will Row

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<v Speaker 4>and Dan Box. Audio production and editing is by Jasper Leak,

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<v Speaker 4>with original music by Tom Burchill. And If you want

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<v Speaker 4>to get in touch with any questions or thoughts on

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<v Speaker 4>the scene series, email Cocaine Inc. At The Times dot

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<v Speaker 4>co dot UK.

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<v Speaker 8>Mm hmmmm