Speaker 1: Vince, it's the Media Show.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Media Show. I'm Caroline Derusso
Speaker 2: coming up tonight, and the progressive media in the US
Speaker 2: is still not coping with the Trump Musk bromance. We
Speaker 2: have the best of their worst takes coming up shortly.
Speaker 2: An accusation level by the Attorney General at the media
Speaker 2: for politicizing anti Semitism does not go unchallenged. We have
Speaker 2: that response and more on the show. And an Australian
Speaker 2: artist has been scratched from the Venice b and Aali.
Speaker 2: We'll tell you what the ABC seven thirty failed to
Speaker 2: mention to its viewers. But first, it's not often on
Speaker 2: this show we praise the ABC and look to be
Speaker 2: honest for very good reason. But this week they latched
Speaker 2: onto something which really pulled the rug out from under
Speaker 2: a spectacular piece of Labor Party misinformation. Believe me, it
Speaker 2: was genuinely a very good effort and no, ladies and gents,
Speaker 2: that is not a cry for help. Here is what happened. Obviously,
Speaker 2: were getting close to a federal election and the alban
Speaker 2: Easy Labor government doesn't have much in the way of
Speaker 2: achievements to talk.
Speaker 3: About, so they decided to revive their.
Speaker 2: Good old medi Scare campaign from twenty sixteen. The relevant
Speaker 2: campaign video was authorized and released by Labor HQ. Well,
Speaker 2: here is an excellent piece of work by the ABC
Speaker 2: posted to its TikTok account, outing the Labor Party for
Speaker 2: some dodgy video editing.
Speaker 4: Does Peter Dutton really want to get rid of Medicare?
Speaker 4: That's what this video would have you believe.
Speaker 1: We're very clear about this.
Speaker 5: Medica is dead.
Speaker 6: They can't be for free.
Speaker 5: We have to pay for a world class medical system.
Speaker 4: The thing is, his words have been taken completely out
Speaker 4: of context. It's a Labor attack ad that selectively edited
Speaker 4: a twenty fourteen press conference to twist Peter Dutton's words.
Speaker 4: But we've found an original version.
Speaker 1: We're very clear about this.
Speaker 7: Medica is dead if we can't make it sustainable today.
Speaker 4: That last bit was pretty important.
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this is Sky News contributor
Speaker 2: James Bolt and The Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair. James, it
Speaker 2: was not long ago this government wanted to exempt itself
Speaker 2: from its own proposed misinformation bill. Imagine if we hadn't
Speaker 2: dodged that bullet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, first off, how about the media watch auditionari or
Speaker 5: from that ABC journalist. He's got the snarkiness, he's got
Speaker 5: the unimpressed librarian persona. I think he's got a long
Speaker 5: career ahead of him in the ABC. For to your question,
Speaker 5: what you have to remember is that when the media
Speaker 5: is spreading misinformation, it's a threat to our democracy. But
Speaker 5: when political parties are spreading misinformation, it's them being cheeky.
Speaker 5: So look, I don't want to diminish the ABC because
Speaker 5: it is a good story, but it is a kind
Speaker 5: of lie that you just need to pull at one
Speaker 5: thread and it all comes undone. It's really sloppy from
Speaker 5: Labor and it really tells me that they are really
Speaker 5: they're throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks,
Speaker 5: which is fine, but we're not even in an election
Speaker 5: campaign yet. I can't believe how desperate they are to
Speaker 5: get into Pete and Dutton's negative devity and how little
Speaker 5: of their own message they can sell. It's pretty concerning
Speaker 5: for them to be there right now.
Speaker 3: I think that's true.
Speaker 2: And Tim, I think they obviously didn't think they were
Speaker 2: going to get caught out for someone to go back,
Speaker 2: you know, that far decade back to look for the
Speaker 2: original footage. But you can't tell me that this sort
Speaker 2: of silly business doesn't impact Labour's credibility, particularly given some
Speaker 2: of the things that are up for discussion during well
Speaker 2: in the lead up to this election.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Carol. And it's like, all, this's an old
Speaker 1: Simpsons sketch, this crappy editing, because you know, we're all
Speaker 1: familiar there with the comedic sort of you know, slicing
Speaker 1: and dicing and how bad it looks within review, and
Speaker 1: they've actually done it and tried to pass it off
Speaker 1: as legitimate. I mean, if I said right now and
Speaker 1: I'll do it just as an example, I think all
Speaker 1: doctors should be killed, said a really bad person in
Speaker 1: a hypothetical situation that has nothing to do with reality.
Speaker 1: That you could edit that first bit out and make
Speaker 1: me look like Satan. But you know, everyone's wise to.
Speaker 1: Everyone is very media literate these days, and actually, you know,
Speaker 1: as good as the ABC's bit was there, people would
Speaker 1: have dug that up anyway on Twitter and various other
Speaker 1: sort of accounts and would have busted them. People of
Speaker 1: wise to this sort of scam, I think they are.
Speaker 2: I thought the comments on the TikTok were very interesting,
Speaker 2: though James. I love how many people seemed genuinely shocked
Speaker 2: that the ABC had picked this up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you've lost the ABC, it's pretty rough. Signs
Speaker 5: for Laver already, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yesterday Sky News Australia held its Anti Semitism summit in
Speaker 2: Sydney and a number of current and former politicians spoke,
Speaker 2: as well as others from within the Jewish and broader
Speaker 2: Australian community. Now the Attorney General Mark Dreyfus was amongst
Speaker 2: those who addressed the summit, and he made this rather
Speaker 2: cynical and pointed observation.
Speaker 1: Anti Semitism cannot and must not be weaponized in the
Speaker 1: pursuit of votes. It must not be weaponized in the
Speaker 1: pursuit of newspaper sales or tea ratings either.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just the broader room which took umbrage
Speaker 2: to those comments.
Speaker 8: I hope that suggestion wasn't that our newspapers or television
Speaker 8: stations are weaponizing this, because we certainly are not. We
Speaker 8: are defending our values and trying to ensure in fact,
Speaker 8: it's to the contrary. We raise these issues in spite
Speaker 8: of whether it necessarily appeals to every member of our
Speaker 8: audience because it is so important to fight this, to
Speaker 8: tackle us and tackle it and address it head on.
Speaker 2: Tim the federal government has long been under pressure for
Speaker 2: its hand handling of antisemitism here in Australia and obviously
Speaker 2: its positions on Israel and the war in Gaza. Is
Speaker 2: this comment itself politicizing the.
Speaker 1: Issue, Oh absolutely, and it's doing so in an incredibly
Speaker 1: cynical way. By the way, good On Shariff for very
Speaker 1: quickly responded to that sometimes in the moment it can
Speaker 1: be difficult, and she's a fantastic professional and also the
Speaker 1: deeply moral and decent human being, and we saw that.
Speaker 1: But in terms of what Dreyfus said, he's basically attempting
Speaker 1: to put anti Semitism in there. Let's be polite basket.
Speaker 1: Let's let's not mention it. It's too awful, let's not
Speaker 1: deal with it, which is also, by the way, how
Speaker 1: things ended up in the UK with the child grooming
Speaker 1: scandal is all pushed aside. Let's not politicize it, let's
Speaker 1: let's not go there. Just it's too unattractive. Let let's
Speaker 1: not even deal with it. As well, it's always infuriating
Speaker 1: when politicians say that we shouldn't politicize something. What are
Speaker 1: they doing in this caper? If politicizing things is off
Speaker 1: the table, it's offensive on so many levels.
Speaker 2: Care of it seriously, and James, look, it really was
Speaker 2: an excellent summon and it is dealing with a worthy
Speaker 2: and a very very timely issue. Do you think this
Speaker 2: sort of criticism ends up being counterproductive?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean to piggyback on what Tim saying. Look,
Speaker 5: I tried to gain plan what Cord Mark Dre Dreyfus
Speaker 5: have said with Labour's backstory on this issue to that crowd.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what, anything he could have said
Speaker 5: different to that would have been better because not only
Speaker 5: I mean Tim's right on everything he said there, but
Speaker 5: when Mark Drefers says that anti Semitism is being used
Speaker 5: by TV networks to drive ratings at a TV event
Speaker 5: on antisemitism, what he's saying is the event that I
Speaker 5: am speaking at shouldn't be happening, an event that Chris
Speaker 5: Min's thoughts should happen, event that Peter Dutton thought shuld happen,
Speaker 5: event that John Howard, Josh Freidenberg, so many other wonderful
Speaker 5: speakers gave up their day to go to this event
Speaker 5: because it was so important. But the Labor Parties representative
Speaker 5: there said that it shouldn't be going ahead. You know,
Speaker 5: you kind of expect that out of Anthony Alberineasi you
Speaker 5: expect it out of Penny Wong. I thought Mark Dravis
Speaker 5: was better than that.
Speaker 2: An that's an excellent obsestion. That's an excellent observation and
Speaker 2: very true and still with Labor. But onto the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister who proposed to his partner Jody Hayden last year
Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day. Well, they're planning a wedding after the election,
Speaker 2: and good luck to them now. Jody did an interview
Speaker 2: with The Australian Woman's Weekly which was released this week,
Speaker 2: during which reference was made about the wedding anyway. The
Speaker 2: article said, amongst other things, it can't be a Catholic
Speaker 2: church wedding, although their families would have perhaps have liked that,
Speaker 2: because of Anthony's divorce. It will be small and intimate.
Speaker 2: Jodyads probably a spring wedding, possibly outdoors in the second
Speaker 2: half of this year, with our family and loved ones,
Speaker 2: and you can be sure Toto will make an appearance.
Speaker 2: Of course, this got tongues wagging in Canberra, and a
Speaker 2: piece file by Latika Burke for The Nightly quoted some
Speaker 2: seemingly frustrated anonymous labor sources. Spectacular self sabotage is how
Speaker 2: one front bench had described it to The Nightly. I
Speaker 2: can't believe that the battlers of Australia are dying to
Speaker 2: hear about the role of the dog in the wedding.
Speaker 2: Another minister dryly observed, finally some good news for the
Speaker 2: government to sell. But they have to fight with Toto
Speaker 2: for airtime, observed a senior labor source. And how can
Speaker 2: this possibly be his priority today of all days, of course,
Speaker 2: referring to the RBA rape announced that same day James.
Speaker 2: Everyone's entitled to celebrate their wedding however they wish. But
Speaker 2: political sensitivity is always heightened ahead of an election, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It is, And it's not the first time that Anthony
Speaker 5: Albanese is given a sense that his head's not completely
Speaker 5: in the game, or that he's kind of got one
Speaker 5: foot in here the next stage of his life. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's very reminiscent of when he bought the retirement House
Speaker 5: while still Prime Minister. The other thing that really sticks
Speaker 5: out to me here is that Labor. You know, they're
Speaker 5: not dumb, like the media relations people are not stupid.
Speaker 5: They go, Okay, we have a likability issue here. We
Speaker 5: need an article out there that's getting to know Anthony
Speaker 5: Albanesi and appealing to the voters we need. But they
Speaker 5: make Jody Hayden the centerpiece of it, not Anthony Alberanesi.
Speaker 5: That's the kind of stuff you do when every poll
Speaker 5: is telling you that your candidate is no longer likable
Speaker 5: and people have tuned him out. It's very reminiscent of
Speaker 5: the dying days of the twenty twenty two campaign when
Speaker 5: Scott Morrison's wife started to take media interviews because no
Speaker 5: one wanted to hear from Scott Morrison. I mean, I
Speaker 5: said it in the first answer here, But Labor, I've
Speaker 5: got a real problem here that their candidate isn't feelings
Speaker 5: of voters anymore.
Speaker 2: That's very, very true. But Tim, I love that Albo
Speaker 2: and I can't believe, to be honest, I can't believe
Speaker 2: Albo got taken out at the knees by the Woman's Weekly.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a bit of a history in this regard, actually, Carolyn,
Speaker 1: back in twenty thirteen Women's Weekly ran a very you know,
Speaker 1: it was meant to be a very happy and promotional
Speaker 1: photo spread about Julia Gillard. And there was a photograph
Speaker 1: of Gillard with I think she was knitting a gift
Speaker 1: for a royal baby and she's sitting there in a
Speaker 1: ridiculous armchair knitting with her pet dog. I can't recall
Speaker 1: its name. It's not as famous as Toto, and that
Speaker 1: ran on. It was such an absurd image. It ran
Speaker 1: on the front page of the Daily Telegraph and one
Speaker 1: week later Gillard was gone. So, you know, be careful,
Speaker 1: be careful with Women's Weekly interfaces. By the way, the
Speaker 1: Labour people saying that they don't want to hear any
Speaker 1: more about Toto. I want to hear nothing but Toto.
Speaker 1: I want a twenty four to seven Toto, folks, I
Speaker 1: want to hear nothing else but Toto Voto. I think
Speaker 1: it's crucial.
Speaker 2: Well, look, he's one of the better performers. Let's put
Speaker 2: it that way. Now, back to our friends at the
Speaker 2: ABC and ABC's four Corners, is there to groundbreaking a
Speaker 2: documentary on the rise of extremism and hate in Australia
Speaker 2: amid a rising tide of hate crimes perpetrated against Jews.
Speaker 2: Now we are told that the crimes originate from fringe
Speaker 2: white supremacist near Nazi groups. Extremist groups in Australia are
Speaker 2: breeding a new generation.
Speaker 8: Families are losing their loved ones to hate.
Speaker 1: Last Christmas, sister brought home a Nazi. How did you
Speaker 1: feel when you saw him in this photo?
Speaker 9: Devastated?
Speaker 3: James?
Speaker 2: Is this solely where the tax are originating from?
Speaker 5: Well, potentially not solely, but I mean we do have
Speaker 5: to acknowledge that when we do see synagogues being attacked,
Speaker 5: it is being defaced with swastikas. I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: you could say on some level that's a guaranteed way
Speaker 5: to offend Juris is to show a Nazi emblem. But
Speaker 5: I think the Okham's razor would say that there are
Speaker 5: Nazi groups in Australia. They are targeting Jewish people as
Speaker 5: Nazis have always done, and it is something that needs
Speaker 5: to be taken seriously, just as we take threats from
Speaker 5: other communities seriously.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And Tim, do you think that the ABC maybe
Speaker 2: lacks a little curiosity here?
Speaker 1: Well, they lack a lot of things, you know, funding
Speaker 1: not included, But I think on the issue is it
Speaker 1: Nazis or is it someone else running these attacks on
Speaker 1: Jewish Australians. Australia doesn't have any Nazi suburbs. We don't
Speaker 1: have any areas of Western Sydney that are so full
Speaker 1: of Nazis that they're contributing to any kind of Nazi
Speaker 1: wars in the Middle East, whereas we actually do have
Speaker 1: huge amounts of Western Sydney that contributed in incredible numbers
Speaker 1: of volunteers to ISIS, for example in past years. So
Speaker 1: I think I think again Jones's right to indicate Ocklm's
Speaker 1: raiser on this one. I'd go with the majority kind
Speaker 1: of theory on this one that it's it's probably not
Speaker 1: Nazi's overall responsible for these crimes.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, and thank you gents for joining us this evening.
Speaker 2: Coming up next, how the progressive media in the US
Speaker 2: is struggling with the new political paradigm and it's even
Speaker 2: blaming Trump for plane crashes. Welcome back to the show
Speaker 2: and two Stars and Gripes, where we tear apart the
Speaker 2: actions of the bitter activists masquerading as journalist in the
Speaker 2: United States, the Trump Musk romance was alive and well.
Speaker 2: This week in an interview with Sean Hannity, here's a snippet.
Speaker 10: Elan Cole, he said, you know they're trying to drive
Speaker 10: us apart. I said, absolutely. Now they said we are
Speaker 10: breaking as Donald Trump has seated control of the presidency
Speaker 10: to Elon Musk. President Musk will be attending a cabinet
Speaker 10: reading at eight o'clock. And I say, it's just so obvious.
Speaker 10: They're so bad at it. I used to think they
Speaker 10: were good at it. They're actually bad at it, because
Speaker 10: if they were good at it, I'd never be president.
Speaker 10: What is the relationship mister President.
Speaker 11: Well, I respect him, I've always respected him. I never
Speaker 11: knew that he was right on certain things, and I'm
Speaker 11: usually pretty good at this stuff. He did starlink, He
Speaker 11: did things that were so advanced and nobody knew what
Speaker 11: the hell they were. I wanted somebody really smart to
Speaker 11: work with me in terms of the country, a very
Speaker 11: important aspect, because I mean, he doesn't talking about he's
Speaker 11: actually a very good businessman. Got some very brilliant young
Speaker 11: people working for him that dress much worse than him. Actually,
Speaker 11: they dressing just T shirts.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know that one hundred eight.
Speaker 10: He's your tech support done, he's a leader.
Speaker 2: Of course, the left wing media lost their minds. The
Speaker 2: Atlantic led with who's running the United States?
Speaker 3: Must sc or Trump?
Speaker 2: In an interview with Sean Hannity, three men demonstrated that
Speaker 2: they have no idea how American democracy works, and of
Speaker 2: course our friends at the Guardian packaged the interview up
Speaker 2: with this headline. Musk and Trump put on LoveFest with
Speaker 2: Sean Hannity pay glowing tribute to each other, rejecting claims
Speaker 2: that billionaire is usurping President's.
Speaker 3: Limelight and power.
Speaker 2: Joining me now with her analysis is Sky News contributor
Speaker 2: Kosher Gata Kosher Uh. This pair just seemed to set
Speaker 2: the media off, and it feels like they haven't quite
Speaker 2: worked out yet how to report on it.
Speaker 6: Indeed, they are clearly finding their feet, Caroline, and they're
Speaker 6: out in the wilder after their resounding defeat in the
Speaker 6: last election, and you could see that they're sort of
Speaker 6: trialing a couple of different narratives here. One is the
Speaker 6: who's running the country He's an unelected bureaucrat argument, as
Speaker 6: you mentioned at the top, and that doesn't make sense
Speaker 6: to most people because everybody knows that there are pretty
Speaker 6: much five hundred and thirty seven people out of two
Speaker 6: point four million people that are elected in the US government,
Speaker 6: four hundred and thirty five congressmen and women, one hundred senators,
Speaker 6: one vice president, one president, everybody else two point four
Speaker 6: million people are by definition unelected. Bureaucrats who serve at
Speaker 6: the pleasure of those that are elected. Must just happens
Speaker 6: to be one of them. But he is a public figure,
Speaker 6: So they're toying with that idea, and then the other one,
Speaker 6: I think is just sort of plain leveraging this idea
Speaker 6: that people have about billionaires, just good old fashioned envy
Speaker 6: or ire people look at billionaires with suspicions, so they're
Speaker 6: trying to play that angle. And I don't think that
Speaker 6: works over here either, because Trump remains very popular at
Speaker 6: the moment. May not last forever, but he's got the
Speaker 6: strongest popularity he's ever had and approval readings he's ever had,
Speaker 6: and Musk is by and large regarded as a very
Speaker 6: high IQ individual who is working for free to try
Speaker 6: and fix the country. So I think that narrative overpower
Speaker 6: is the one that they're trying to push forward.
Speaker 2: And this week Delta plane crashed on landing in Toronto.
Speaker 2: You've probably seen the footage in reporting on the crash.
Speaker 2: The view had this spectacularly bad take.
Speaker 9: I have been panicking over all this insanity with this play. Yeah,
Speaker 9: you know, and there's all kinds of stuff going on.
Speaker 9: So let's start with the string of mass firings by
Speaker 9: Elon Musk's Doggy Dogy Dog DOGI has sparked a lot
Speaker 9: of chaos, confusion and fear.
Speaker 2: X MSNBC host Mehdi Hassan, well, he posted this shoka
Speaker 2: on X before thinking better of it and deleting it,
Speaker 2: and then the Delta CEO had this to.
Speaker 12: Say, I understand that the cuts at this time are
Speaker 12: something that are raising questions, But the reality is there's
Speaker 12: over fifty thousand people that work at the FAA, and
Speaker 12: the cuts I understand, we're three hundred people and they
Speaker 12: were in non critical safety functions. The Trump administration has
Speaker 12: committed to investing deeply in terms of improving the overall
Speaker 12: technologies that are used in the air traffic control systems
Speaker 12: and modernizing the guys. They've committed to hiring additional controllers
Speaker 12: and investigators.
Speaker 3: Kosher.
Speaker 2: That all sounds pretty rational to all the same people,
Speaker 2: but so many of the progressive outlets. They just appear
Speaker 2: to be so obsessed with Trump that the own goals
Speaker 2: just produce themselves.
Speaker 6: Yes, Medi Hassan has become an NPC, as they say,
Speaker 6: a non playing character for quite some time. His show
Speaker 6: on MSNBC was canceled, and he's said things like.
Speaker 3: That in the past and has had to take them down.
Speaker 6: And that's fine, that's his prerogative, and he'll pay the
Speaker 6: price for it in the public square.
Speaker 3: The view argument is.
Speaker 6: It does reflect a little bit that the other side
Speaker 6: and those who oppose Trump's policies have to work with,
Speaker 6: and that is that these cuts are happening. Your doge
Speaker 6: is very much front and center in the national discourse
Speaker 6: right now and all that they're doing, and these plane
Speaker 6: crashes have happened in the last three weeks more than
Speaker 6: they typically have. The two are not connected, but you
Speaker 6: can see how they can try to make that connection
Speaker 6: for those that maybe aren't paying attention to these details.
Speaker 6: So that's what they're trying to do. But what the
Speaker 6: Delta CEO said there is the fact there's fifty thousand
Speaker 6: plus people who work again, all unelected bureaucrats. To the
Speaker 6: earlier point in the FAA, they've cut about four to
Speaker 6: five hundred people in non essential roles. As that narrative
Speaker 6: becomes known and gets out there, coupled with what the
Speaker 6: administration is trying to do to improve the technology that's
Speaker 6: like from the nineteen sixties in terms of the programming
Speaker 6: languages and other things that they use, and they turn
Speaker 6: the ship around. I think ultimately history will judge them
Speaker 6: well if they're successful in what they're doing. But in
Speaker 6: the meantime, as these crashes happen, coupled with the cuts
Speaker 6: that they're doing, you will see people trying to connect
Speaker 6: the two and push that nerdive out there.
Speaker 2: And that wasn't the only belly flop this week. Going
Speaker 2: to CBS ANKA and General Butler Margaret Brennan, who we
Speaker 2: all remember as being on the receiving end of Vice
Speaker 2: President J. D. Vance's I don't really care, Margaret retort
Speaker 2: or she's at it again this time. She's struggling with
Speaker 2: a historical understanding of the political landscape in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 13: He was standing in a country where free speech was
Speaker 13: weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with the
Speaker 13: head of a political party that has far right views
Speaker 13: and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of
Speaker 13: that was changing the tone of it. And you know
Speaker 13: that that the censor.
Speaker 14: She disagree with you specifically about the right. Now I
Speaker 14: have to disagree with you. The free speech was not
Speaker 14: used to conduct a genocide. The genocide was conducted by
Speaker 14: an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also be genocidal
Speaker 14: because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and they
Speaker 14: hated those that they had a list of people they hated,
Speaker 14: but primarily the Jews. There was no free speech in
Speaker 14: Nazi Germany.
Speaker 3: Kosha.
Speaker 2: Look, Rubier was very good here in pulling her up,
Speaker 2: but a very conflated and confounded question that frankly shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been asked in the first place.
Speaker 6: Yes, that one was something new, to be sure, and
Speaker 6: just to have an American journalist, where America, of course
Speaker 6: is home to the First Amendment and the strongest free
Speaker 6: speech protection in the free world and all of the world.
Speaker 6: For an American journalist to make that claim that free
Speaker 6: speech was the root cause of the Holocaust as she
Speaker 6: did was a site to behold. And you could even
Speaker 6: see Secretary Rubio from the moment, I couldn't even believe
Speaker 6: what he heard with his ears. He was finding his
Speaker 6: words a little bit, and then when he just went off,
Speaker 6: that thing has gone viral, probably second only to I
Speaker 6: don't really care Margaret. So she's certainly dug herself in
Speaker 6: a bit of a ditch that she's gonna have to
Speaker 6: work hard to pull herself out of.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And look in a general sense, it goes without
Speaker 2: saying the media is struggling to hope with the change
Speaker 2: of the US administration, including simple things like the change
Speaker 2: of the name of the Golf of Mexico to the
Speaker 2: Gulf of America.
Speaker 3: Well kosher.
Speaker 2: It caused the Associated Press to come a cropper this
Speaker 2: week what happened.
Speaker 6: So this is interesting because there's a couple things going
Speaker 6: on where Trump famously, in one of the two hundred
Speaker 6: and forty one executive orders that he signed literally after
Speaker 6: he took his hand off the Bible and assume the
Speaker 6: role of the president, was to rename some of these
Speaker 6: iconic pieces of geography in and around America. One was
Speaker 6: Mountdanali in Alaska, the highest peak in Alaska to Mount McKinley,
Speaker 6: which is what it used to be known as. And
Speaker 6: then the other is the Gulf of Mexico should be
Speaker 6: the Golf of America. Now those things are being battled,
Speaker 6: and even in Congress actually some people are challenging it.
Speaker 3: But as of now, he has the authority to do that.
Speaker 6: And then basically all maps and school textbooks and things
Speaker 6: that come out of the federal government can reflect a
Speaker 6: presidential order, as they have.
Speaker 3: And in the private.
Speaker 6: Company sphere, Google and Apple, who have far more eyeballs
Speaker 6: come to them, have also done it. You can go
Speaker 6: to Google Maps right now, it'll say Golf of America.
Speaker 6: Airline pilots when they're flying over the space and they
Speaker 6: want to talk about it, they're giving it that same credit.
Speaker 6: But the AP has decided to sort of split the
Speaker 6: hair over there and say that since that's a global
Speaker 6: body and international countries are maybe not all accepting this renaming,
Speaker 6: they will not either. And then Trump is now pushing
Speaker 6: back and saying, Okay, that's your prerogative, but then I'm
Speaker 6: not going to invite you into the oval when we're
Speaker 6: doing press briefings. So that's kind of turned into this
Speaker 6: whole story unto itself. Yes, it's about the Gulf of America,
Speaker 6: but it's also about putting adversarial media in their place
Speaker 6: in a way that he believes he has the right
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 3: There are plenty of other reporters who.
Speaker 6: Are allowed access to the Oval office, but he's certainly
Speaker 6: punishing the EP for holding out on this name change.
Speaker 2: Well, it has been very eventful to watch, and speaking
Speaker 2: of the struggling to cope, I often wonder, Kosha, how
Speaker 2: history is going to look back on this crazy, crazy time.
Speaker 2: And this Washington Post headline just says it all for me.
Speaker 2: Trump says there are two sexes. Experts and science say
Speaker 2: it's not binary. Is the US mainstream media ever going
Speaker 2: to be able to unbreak itself?
Speaker 6: This particular example of Caroline would suggest that they're far
Speaker 6: from reaching that point. While some things might have some
Speaker 6: merit on the other side, and you know, the renaming
Speaker 6: topic that we just discussed with the AP, that's one thing,
Speaker 6: but this one, are there two biological sexes or not?
Speaker 6: Is one of the few issues in these divided times
Speaker 6: that we live in where something like eighty nine percent
Speaker 6: of people agree with that. Like, the cultural consensus around
Speaker 6: this has finally happened. It's crazy what it took to
Speaker 6: get here, but we are here, and for the media
Speaker 6: to still be behind the eight ball as they are
Speaker 6: on this issue in particular, and there are others as well.
Speaker 6: You're right, it is crazy times, and I think when
Speaker 6: historians look back on this era, it's going to be
Speaker 6: fascinating for them to see where the media went and
Speaker 6: how far we fallen.
Speaker 2: And I think people in a general sense are a
Speaker 2: little more skeptical of experts and science than they were
Speaker 2: perhaps prior to COVID, so I'm not sure that they're
Speaker 2: necessarily helping themselves there now. Lastly, Joe Rogan has claimed
Speaker 2: that the Harris campaign is trying to cover its backside
Speaker 2: my words, not his, about why that their vice president
Speaker 2: didn't do an interview on his show. Now, Rogan maintains
Speaker 2: he offered interviews to both her and Trump.
Speaker 3: Kosher.
Speaker 2: Is this just late stage revisionism?
Speaker 3: You know it potentially is.
Speaker 6: And the other side, Harris's campaign managers have gone on
Speaker 6: different podcasts breaking open the minutia of the back and
Speaker 6: forth email exchanges that happened, claiming she was willing to
Speaker 6: do it and scheduling got in the way and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
Speaker 6: I don't think either path or either narrative comes out
Speaker 6: with her looking good, because either it looks like she
Speaker 6: was huboristic and thought she didn't need the biggest podcast
Speaker 6: in the world, and in that election cycle, even though
Speaker 6: Trump had the sense to do it, or it means
Speaker 6: that she wanted to do it. She recognized how important
Speaker 6: he is, but they couldn't make it work in terms
Speaker 6: of scheduling, which also makes her look weak, like, surely,
Speaker 6: if you wanted to do it, you can find a way.
Speaker 6: So I'm not sure it matters anymore. No one's really
Speaker 6: paying attention to her, but her campaign managers are still
Speaker 6: people have careers and politics, and so they're trying to
Speaker 6: explain that away and we might see a little bit
Speaker 6: more of it before the story finally lands in the
Speaker 6: dustment of history where it belongs.
Speaker 3: Absolutely it does.
Speaker 2: Koshagata, thank you so much for your analysis this evening.
Speaker 2: Now after the break, an Australian artist has been scratched
Speaker 2: from the Venice B and Aali and we'll tell you
Speaker 2: what the ABC seven thirty failed to mention to its viewers.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. Joining me now as he
Speaker 2: does each and every week, is Sky News Australia's media
Speaker 2: watchdog columnist Jared Henderson, Jared Creative Australia has removed an
Speaker 2: artwork by artists Khalid Sabsabi from the twenty twenty six
Speaker 2: Venice b Andale due to his apparent glorification of terrorism.
Speaker 2: Now he put out this video in two thousand and
Speaker 2: six on the nine to eleven terrorist attack.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: And here is his artwork depicting Hassan Nasralla, the late
Speaker 2: chief at Hezbola. But this is how the ABC seven
Speaker 2: thirty covered the story.
Speaker 15: We got to this point as we understand it, because
Speaker 15: there hasn't been a proper explanation yet because of some
Speaker 15: questions raised about some of Halid Subsabi's earlier works and
Speaker 15: some of its content, particularly featuring Hassan Nasralla, the head
Speaker 15: of Hesbala, and some work about nine to eleven. I'm
Speaker 15: not asking you to comment on those specific works, but
Speaker 15: should any subject be off limit for artists?
Speaker 16: Think what the question in a way has to be
Speaker 16: framed into what we do as artists, Jared, they missed
Speaker 16: fabuit to detail here as a matter of don't talk
Speaker 16: about the artists, because here we're discussing the work of
Speaker 16: the artists, but no one showed the work of the
Speaker 16: artists you've going to come under the media show and
Speaker 16: this guy news to actually see what the work is.
Speaker 16: And the work is clearly sympathetic to the terrorist actions
Speaker 16: in New York on nine to eleven and also to
Speaker 16: the head of Hesbela following the Hesbela Israel War of
Speaker 16: twenty six where Hesbel are invaded and captured soldiers are
Speaker 16: from northern Israel. Now I would think if you're going
Speaker 16: to have a discussion, because they've been very controversial. As
Speaker 16: you know, Creative Australian Board has decided not to let
Speaker 16: the artists go with his current work to Venice next
Speaker 16: year for b and Ali, So that's an important decision.
Speaker 16: The Minister Tony Burke has been on seven thirty discussing
Speaker 16: the matter. Then Ms Gill, a friend of the artist,
Speaker 16: comes on and she discusses the matter, but viewers don't
Speaker 16: get a chance to know what anyone's talking about because
Speaker 16: Sarah Ferguson basically says, well, we're not going to talk
Speaker 16: about it. So how you can discuss the appropriateness of
Speaker 16: a decision made by Creative Australia and the Minister supports
Speaker 16: the right of Creative Australia make the decision but no
Speaker 16: one's who watching seven point thirty supposed to know what
Speaker 16: was said, so you can't make a judgment. So it's
Speaker 16: just to cover up, really and pretty unprofessional.
Speaker 4: I would have.
Speaker 2: Thought, and I guess hoping that it all goes away
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Now.
Speaker 16: The host of.
Speaker 2: Saturday Extra, No, I don't think it will.
Speaker 3: That's very true.
Speaker 2: Now, the host of Saturday Extra on the ABC Radio
Speaker 2: National Nick Bryant, had this to say about how Malcolm
Speaker 2: Turnbull handled Trump during his first administration.
Speaker 17: Now, Turnbull sort of added to the Trump user guide
Speaker 17: at the g twenty and Hamburg. That was when he
Speaker 17: was arguing for exemptions on steel and aluminium. They met
Speaker 17: in what's called the skiff, and rather extraordinarily, Trump introduced
Speaker 17: Turnbull as the world's best lawyer, the guy that had
Speaker 17: kept his friend Kerry Packer out of jail.
Speaker 3: Jared.
Speaker 2: That last line raised my eyebrows. What was the basis
Speaker 2: for suggesting that Turnbull kept Kerry Packer out of prison?
Speaker 16: Well, only that Donald Trump allegedly made this claim. But
Speaker 16: I was listening to that at seven o'clock on Saturday morning.
Speaker 17: I got a bit of a shock.
Speaker 16: I mean the point there was a controversy forty years
Speaker 16: ago about a royal commission. But the only suggestion that
Speaker 16: ever might have happened that Kerry Packer might have gone
Speaker 16: to jail would be for contempt of court for defending himself,
Speaker 16: which never happened. Turnbull was his lawyer and Turnmle was involved.
Speaker 16: The idea that Packer was ever close to Joell is
Speaker 16: completely false. I mean, it's what the ABC is I
Speaker 16: was talking about.
Speaker 17: It's fake news.
Speaker 16: Now, an experienced BBC journalist like Nick Bryant should know
Speaker 16: what he's talking about, and he doesn't. And it's very
Speaker 16: damaging to the memory of someone like Kerry Packer and
Speaker 16: his family to say that Turnbull kept him out of
Speaker 16: prison when he never had a prospect of going into prison.
Speaker 16: He was never charged with anything, He was never convicted
Speaker 16: of anything. Obviously, he was never charged and he was
Speaker 16: never seriously investigated for anything. And the allegations about Packer
Speaker 16: and that Royal commission of forty years ago were never maintained,
Speaker 16: will never prove and I lived through that. I was
Speaker 16: aware of that at the time. They were simply allegations.
Speaker 16: They went nowhere. Has happened with many Royal commissions, as
Speaker 16: we know so I don't know whether Donald Trump said
Speaker 16: that about Malcolm Turble. Nick Bryan said he did, but
Speaker 16: whatever happened there, it shouldn't be repeated without checking. It's
Speaker 16: not that hard to check whether or not Kerry Packer
Speaker 16: was ever going to jail and saved by Malcolm Turnbull.
Speaker 16: In his own memoir, Malcolm Turnbull doesn't claim that he
Speaker 16: mentions it, but he never claims he kept Packer out
Speaker 16: of prison. It's just what the ABC would call fake news.
Speaker 4: That's what it is.
Speaker 2: And if you were going to say something like that, Jared,
Speaker 2: at least provide some of that context, which you've just
Speaker 2: provided in your answer, so that whoever's watch or whoever's listening,
Speaker 2: I suppose is in this case, can determine how much
Speaker 2: weight they want to give to that sort of claim.
Speaker 16: Yes, well, even just to refer to where it was
Speaker 16: mentioned in Malcolm Turnbull's book, because he doesn't say it.
Speaker 16: But it's one of these things. I mean a number
Speaker 16: of journalists think where he can have a swing at
Speaker 16: Kerry Packer. A he's dead, but be he's sort of
Speaker 16: someone you probably didn't like in the first place. And
Speaker 16: mister Bryan's presented himself as an expert in Australia. I've
Speaker 16: read his book ten years ago. It's not very good.
Speaker 16: And if he's going to present himself as an expert
Speaker 16: in Australia or to do some research and work it out,
Speaker 16: it's not that hard. He's got a production team, he's
Speaker 16: got one program a week, runs for an hour and
Speaker 16: a half. Not that hard to check the facts. Quite easy, actually, no,
Speaker 16: very very true.
Speaker 3: Now into conflict.
Speaker 2: In reports from the ABC regarding the course of the cause,
Speaker 2: sorry of Australia's housing crisis US Monday, senior ABC reporter
Speaker 2: Alan Coola will he blamed John Howard here it is.
Speaker 7: It's my view John Howard did more than anyone to
Speaker 7: make housing unaffordable through reforms like cutting capital gains tax
Speaker 7: in half.
Speaker 2: Now he says that that was his view. But then
Speaker 2: senior ABC reporter Adam Harvey, well he took a different view.
Speaker 7: In a new report, the Federal government's Research and Advisory
Speaker 7: body says it takes much longer to build a home than.
Speaker 17: It used to.
Speaker 18: Looking at standalone built houses, the average time to build
Speaker 18: a house from way to go has increased from about
Speaker 18: six months ten years ago to ten months. So often
Speaker 18: that will be tied up in the development approval process.
Speaker 7: It's not just houses. New townhouses now taken average three
Speaker 7: months longer to build, and apartments are built in about
Speaker 7: twenty eight months compared to eighteen months ten years ago.
Speaker 7: The Productivity Commission report says there's a mix of reasons,
Speaker 7: but the most significant is red.
Speaker 2: Tape Jared, Which is it both what's reporting and what's editorial.
Speaker 16: Well, if you Ellen Cohler, as always John howards Felt,
Speaker 16: I mean that's the standard ABC left wing line. It's
Speaker 16: John howards Felt. I mean, mister Hart hasn't been Prime
Speaker 16: Minister for nearly twenty years, so really that's a bit much.
Speaker 16: But we know the reason, and the reason is regulation
Speaker 16: and lack of supply, and what Adam Harvey is saying
Speaker 16: is correct. But there you've got a very singer ABC
Speaker 16: journalist in Allen Cohler and a very ABC journalist of
Speaker 16: Adam Harvey, and they're both saying different things on seven
Speaker 16: point thirty, which is presenting a series of a series
Speaker 16: of comments on the housing crisis in Australia. So I
Speaker 16: mean someone ought to get together and work out what
Speaker 16: it is. Well, obviously Ellen Cohler's piece shouldn't have gone
Speaker 16: to wear. That comment shouldn't have gone to wear because
Speaker 16: it's it's quite ridiculous that someone who was last prime
Speaker 16: minister in twenty oh seven is somehow responsible for what's
Speaker 16: going on today. Clearly he's not. I mean, you can
Speaker 16: always make an argument about this policy or that policy,
Speaker 16: but we know what the housing problem is essentially caused by,
Speaker 16: and in the clip from the Productivity Commission, it's made
Speaker 16: the point that it's essentially regulation which is leading to
Speaker 16: massive delays. May as well be said, but the ABC,
Speaker 16: even nearly two decades after the event, still got it,
Speaker 16: still got it in for John Howard, but he's going okay,
Speaker 16: So I guess maybe he doesn't watch it.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Oh, they love their pet gripes, don't they?
Speaker 2: Thank you so much? Jared Henderson. Now that's all from me. Tonight.
Speaker 2: Up next is Newsnight