Speaker 1: Never in doubt.
Speaker 2: Well aren't you walking a little taller? Have a look
Speaker 2: at you.
Speaker 1: Well, Matthew, if you.
Speaker 3: If you were solely responsible for getting a whole state
Speaker 3: up emotionally, you'd probably feel the same.
Speaker 2: As well done, braveheart, Well done to you. You did
Speaker 2: it at the Melbourne Storm. You used to do those
Speaker 2: inspirational speeches. They won a competition and look what you've
Speaker 2: done in game three.
Speaker 1: They said he couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: Lo was and I'm glad that he put his ego
Speaker 3: to the side and he called in someone who controversially
Speaker 3: called me in to help freelance motivation.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a thing, brother, it is.
Speaker 3: And can I just say, who would have after all
Speaker 3: the controversy for the last six weeks, the selections, people
Speaker 3: saying Cam Murray had to start. We said it as well,
Speaker 3: and we said, I think we mean you said last
Speaker 3: week all of it, everything, the selection blunders, the interchange,
Speaker 3: none of it matters.
Speaker 1: If you just win the game.
Speaker 2: Now, he said, eliminate everything. If you actually just eliminate everything,
Speaker 2: and then even when it gets comes to the game,
Speaker 2: if you eliminate everything and just focus on the simplicity,
Speaker 2: play direct, play, just play nice. And straight and direct
Speaker 2: win the spirit of the play the ball, defend well,
Speaker 2: put Nathan into regular attack key positions, then you win.
Speaker 2: It's like you get there sometimes you guess you get
Speaker 2: gone at a big games when you want to cause
Speaker 2: an upset. Simplicity wins over complexity all the time. And
Speaker 2: that's the way when I'm really happy for Laurie as
Speaker 2: a bloke. He one of the one of the to
Speaker 2: his detriment, Laurie never saw he never promotes himself rare
Speaker 2: the coaches do. And oftentimes coaches nearly all coaches have
Speaker 2: got a journalist or too in their pocket, you know,
Speaker 2: who defends them and everything. The lots just go solo.
Speaker 3: And that's and they ate him apart like a different
Speaker 3: different stages during the year. There was you know, during
Speaker 3: the series, there was different parts where you could see
Speaker 3: that you know, like that it was almost like a
Speaker 3: carcass of a whale in the ocean and every shark
Speaker 3: come to have a little bit of a buye and
Speaker 3: I imagine it weighed on lads at some stages, but
Speaker 3: he'd be in the sheds right now, is we're recording
Speaker 3: this going you fucking beauty?
Speaker 2: Maybe well, the thinking about it is some of the
Speaker 2: some of the criticism you can critique without getting personal,
Speaker 2: you know, the interchanges. You may have an opinion. I
Speaker 2: maybe think he should go in, maybe he should play
Speaker 2: that way. You know, that's you know, for a journalist
Speaker 2: and formal players, that's your job. But what happens sometimes
Speaker 2: a lot of it started to get really personal and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and you know, he can't coach and he can't get
Speaker 2: the side up and that sort of stuff, and that's
Speaker 2: when it just gets personal. And for Laurie, I think
Speaker 2: this series. One of the things in this series was
Speaker 2: about basically getting the respect that deserved, the same respect
Speaker 2: he had as a player. And he's done that, all's well,
Speaker 2: that ends well, and it has and they are really good.
Speaker 2: He should be congratulated on game through the tough calls
Speaker 2: that he made, some calls that were surprising, some calls
Speaker 2: that were unpopular, you know, like sayingkeeping Tedesco, you know,
Speaker 2: saying now I'm going to hang in there. I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep him going, keeping Mitchell, Moses and the six
Speaker 2: as opposed Tousan strains those big ones. It became clear
Speaker 2: in the game and we spoke about going in about
Speaker 2: Nathan and we said, okay, he's gone with Mitchell. Even
Speaker 2: though Mitchell was really poor in that last game against
Speaker 2: Paramatta for paramatter and he against South Sidney's defensive roots,
Speaker 2: it was obviously still a fair way off being right.
Speaker 2: And everyone thought, okay, he's pluely stranger. When he kept Mitchell.
Speaker 2: We said, he's obviously spoke to Nathan. I don't know
Speaker 2: how yarn to him about what he wants. You do
Speaker 2: that with your best player, and Nathan's obviously gone for Moses.
Speaker 2: And you can see early what that was because Mitchell
Speaker 2: was doing the long kicking, Nathan was doing the attack kicks.
Speaker 2: That that was that combination. So it was a really
Speaker 2: good result. Simplicity the style of football. He should be
Speaker 2: congratulated on the style of football that was. We said
Speaker 2: going into it, they had to play more North South,
Speaker 2: a simpler style of football. Work hard and yard is
Speaker 2: get Nathan that in those positions. That's what they did.
Speaker 2: They played nice and direct. What how many times have
Speaker 2: we said it with Nathan? When does Nathan plays best
Speaker 2: football running when he's direct? Yeah, he runs the football.
Speaker 2: And when we interviewed him here, he said it's a discipline.
Speaker 2: He needs to remind himself off before every single game
Speaker 2: and when he starts to lose his way a little bit,
Speaker 2: as when he comes a little bit past happy, just
Speaker 2: has to drift a little sideways. Tonight, as soon as
Speaker 2: made first first time he had the football off his
Speaker 2: right foot, took him on.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's on his game.
Speaker 3: Well, like we're going to go through some of the
Speaker 3: tries and you know the first half in a bit
Speaker 3: more detail. But you talk about being direct. I saw
Speaker 3: the first fifteen minutes of that game New South Wales
Speaker 3: very good skill base with the football, but they were
Speaker 3: going very sideways early, very sideways early, and you could
Speaker 3: see that they were going sideways because Queensland cover defense
Speaker 3: was stopping a lot of try scoring opportunities in the
Speaker 3: corner on Markey Mark and Jackie Bostock. But you saw
Speaker 3: the transition, like the example that you just said, Nathan
Speaker 3: gets it out in the back of shape and rather
Speaker 3: than shoveling to the sideline again, given Marky Mark a
Speaker 3: chance in that corner. Phils katewell over compensating trying to
Speaker 3: cover because the first fifteen minutes they've been spreading and wide,
Speaker 3: comes off his right foot direct straight back at Nitsi.
Speaker 3: Shorter scores the next try again, Nathan. Second try. They
Speaker 3: go to the edge, but rather than going wide, hits
Speaker 3: Martin who just a bit of footwork and just brew strength,
Speaker 3: direct straight at Munster one on one, mistackle, offload the
Speaker 3: critter and then Creator and Markey Mark. They did the rest,
Speaker 3: created a nice little flick past to Markie Mark one
Speaker 3: on one with his winger, comes back and a bit
Speaker 3: of a figi and touch football back inside.
Speaker 1: Nathan clear it. All of New South Wales tries. You
Speaker 1: go back through all of them.
Speaker 3: They weren't you know, they weren't off shape getting it
Speaker 3: to the edge like we saw probably a game one
Speaker 3: and two, a lot of them were.
Speaker 1: It was almost first fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: Hit the edge, hit the as expansive, make the work,
Speaker 3: make a move and then channel all of our attack
Speaker 3: into direct football.
Speaker 2: Play through them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, play they did.
Speaker 2: They play through the Yeah. Kevin ra Murray's try it
Speaker 2: was the third try, Yeah, Ken Murray so simple being
Speaker 2: footwork direct. What did we say last week? How thick
Speaker 2: is a defense line one man one man? When you
Speaker 2: play sideways, okay, you're skimming across and you're dealing with
Speaker 2: different factors dealing with two or three blokes come coming in,
Speaker 2: some coming out, whatnot. When you play nice and direct
Speaker 2: and new, challenge someone who's in front of you, especially
Speaker 2: if they're bigger and a little tired, that's that's the
Speaker 2: most dangerous attack. And that's how they played people.
Speaker 3: I think people people early like teams can fall in
Speaker 3: love with like big set plays and wanted to score
Speaker 3: in the corner and I think somewhat fans want to
Speaker 3: see that as well. But there is in Queensland do
Speaker 3: it well narrowing your focus into how can we get
Speaker 3: a one on one anytime we can get a one
Speaker 3: on one like Nathan clearly one one with Kate Well
Speaker 3: breaks one tackle scores, Martin one on one with Munster
Speaker 3: breaks the tackle scores, Murray one on one. I think
Speaker 3: it might have been on Plath or someone close to
Speaker 3: the line and we score like it's it's so simple.
Speaker 3: But what a one on one does is it gives
Speaker 3: you a try scoring opportunity or one on one tackle.
Speaker 3: Quick play the ball and that's when you're going to and.
Speaker 2: Coop offloads right shit offloads offloads that basically put pressure
Speaker 2: on your own team cause errors what they come from
Speaker 2: is people who run to the line thinking offloat. Great
Speaker 2: offloads are from people who power onto the football looking
Speaker 2: to play through an opposition that produces the best offloads.
Speaker 2: Right everything thinking about playing through and talking about playing through.
Speaker 2: I thought about the first fifteen minutes, COSI winning the
Speaker 2: speed of the play of the ball, winning the battle
Speaker 2: of the yardage. One run simplicity, one run turned turned
Speaker 2: the game. Jack Boss stop took a ball, went straight
Speaker 2: between two defenders, penetrated them about five meters, got up,
Speaker 2: play the ball quick or ceased again. The game's won. Yeah,
Speaker 2: on that simple little thing. Go back on what's the game?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you people, Go back and watch the game
Speaker 2: Jack Boss stocks run where he went between two defenders.
Speaker 2: Watched the whole game swing off that simple run.
Speaker 3: They were all over us like early we could not
Speaker 3: get it. Obviously we received kick off. They bashed us.
Speaker 3: Mitch Moses kicking game was the only thing that was
Speaker 3: getting us half decent field position. But Hudson Young penalty.
Speaker 3: Queensland went down. They had a good attacking set, but
Speaker 3: new so Wals were really on defensively turned them away.
Speaker 3: But like you said, the Jack Boss Stock run and
Speaker 3: what I love about his carry out of the backfield
Speaker 3: because he's not a known out of the backfield like
Speaker 3: where you can skittle defenders. He's high hipped, but his
Speaker 3: mentality of and Billy Slady used to give this to
Speaker 3: a lot of the OB's at the Storm when you
Speaker 3: practice the outside backs out of the storm, when your
Speaker 3: practice coming out of the backfield, one change of direction,
Speaker 3: someone get up, get down, and that's what he did.
Speaker 3: He sort of caught on the out Jackie Bosta. You
Speaker 3: see him come off his left one of the Coeens
Speaker 3: and defenders just over compensated. Think he was going sideways.
Speaker 3: He got a clean one on one with someone got down,
Speaker 3: got up, and when you feel that pressure of a
Speaker 3: quick playable naturally, defense just want to grab a leg,
Speaker 3: grab something.
Speaker 1: And that's where we got the six. Again.
Speaker 3: We get downfield and for the next ten minutes New
Speaker 3: South Wales they didn't actually score, I don't think in
Speaker 3: that sense, but that was where they had field position.
Speaker 1: They started to just tie the Coeensland defense.
Speaker 2: Yep, you did, Coop and that's what you saw. And
Speaker 2: the other thing too, we spoke about coming into this game,
Speaker 2: do we jack what gave you confidence? Well, intuition, you
Speaker 2: know what you get. And I said sometimes you like,
Speaker 2: I'll tee you in now. People, if you listen to
Speaker 2: this or watching this, sometimes intuition is more important than
Speaker 2: information your whole life. You're gathering this information all the
Speaker 2: time and it just sits in your subconscious we call
Speaker 2: it gap field, but intuition. And sometimes you got to that,
Speaker 2: even though common sense tells you together the other way.
Speaker 2: You just got to back yourself, got to back your
Speaker 2: own intuition, you know, back your own gut feel. And
Speaker 2: if you look at this New South Wales side on paper,
Speaker 2: it's a stronger side. They just had to play to
Speaker 2: their ability. You had Tedesco, you know in the Senate's
Speaker 2: got Blake, you know, like Critter in the Senate's force.
Speaker 2: Then you've got Blake's like you've got Mitchell Moses and
Speaker 2: Nathan Clear and got Isaiah Yoh, You've got Cam Murray,
Speaker 2: you got Adam Vanua, Blake Paine who was enormous, pain
Speaker 2: Hass Hudson Hudson Young and Liam Martin. You look through
Speaker 2: that side, what happened through that side? You're going, mate,
Speaker 2: this is a really good, really great star studded side.
Speaker 2: They just had to work together and find the right
Speaker 2: formula and they found it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the first I think we said it in
Speaker 3: the preview. Game one, they played a really strong second half.
Speaker 3: When calam Poe got sent off, they got lucky to
Speaker 3: get a win. Game two, really good start, first half,
Speaker 3: they were all over Queensland, but they had not put
Speaker 3: an eighty minute performance together. I don't even think tonight
Speaker 3: they put an eighty minute performance together. But for about
Speaker 3: sixty five minutes of that football game, they were the best.
Speaker 1: Team on the field and they get the win. Like,
Speaker 1: how did you see?
Speaker 3: Because everyone talks about, you know, New so Wales being
Speaker 3: the underdogs for once, I think all the media hammering
Speaker 3: New South Wales rather than actually building them up.
Speaker 1: We've always had the New s Wales. I've always had the.
Speaker 3: Media from both sides hype in them up. You know,
Speaker 3: they've got a great side on paperlight you just said,
Speaker 3: you know, Queens, they can't win, Queens then can't win.
Speaker 3: This is probably the first time that I can remember
Speaker 3: in a decider of recent note where it's actually New
Speaker 3: South Wales with the underdogs and nobody gave them a chance.
Speaker 1: Did you see Queen? Did you see anything in queens
Speaker 1: and body language that affected him in that you reckon.
Speaker 2: I mean it's one of the big things for state
Speaker 2: of origin Queensland Neal. He always win the battle of
Speaker 2: the narrative and they play on that underdog mentality. The
Speaker 2: last time, Laurie, you won a series, Josh Morris spoke
Speaker 2: to us, Why you know what was the narrative in
Speaker 2: that game? Will the New South Wales Bloke Blokes went
Speaker 2: in and said, Mabe, we're going to point to prove.
Speaker 2: When we went in Australian side that was seeing the
Speaker 2: Queensland sold we won test measures. We're going to point
Speaker 2: to prove here in this game. There's been hammered for
Speaker 2: game one. In game two, no one gave them a chance.
Speaker 2: Queensland are red hot favorites, but they're able to flip
Speaker 2: flip the narrative. Suddenly New South Wales are the underdogs,
Speaker 2: even though they got paying House Ada and Fanil Blake, Mitchell,
Speaker 2: Boss Nathan Cleary. They somehow with the underdog.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre because, like you said, ness Whalers aren't used
Speaker 3: to it. Queensland coming into this game, like although I
Speaker 3: tipped New South Wales and I'm a new South Waleshman.
Speaker 3: There was a lingering feeling behind that tip that that
Speaker 3: it was either we were going to win in a
Speaker 3: tight game or Queensland We're going to pummel us. Queensland
Speaker 3: We're going to pummel us into submission, and you just
Speaker 3: got the feeling that they were going to be really up
Speaker 3: for it. But I think the first ten minutes they
Speaker 3: played a really great style. Queensland a big moment for me.
Speaker 3: Look that was Munster did an early kick, must have
Speaker 3: did an early kick on a fourth tackle and they
Speaker 3: just absolutely teed off on New South Wales. It might
Speaker 3: have been the first set at their first set of
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: That was a very Coensland play.
Speaker 3: It was a fourth tackle kick four tackle and I
Speaker 3: think it was their first set and they just for
Speaker 3: the next ten minutes we were under the pump, completely
Speaker 3: under the pump, and we were sitting there and we
Speaker 3: went far out like this Queensland side is really under day.
Speaker 1: But like you said, that.
Speaker 3: Boss Stock one on one, it was like as soon
Speaker 3: as New South Wales wrestled some sort of momentum back yep.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether it was the battle of the
Speaker 3: narrative or whatever. Queensland really struggled to get back into
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: They did good, they did. They really struggled it once
Speaker 2: and two blokes we can really think for that big
Speaker 2: time was Payinhass. When Pain was on there first time,
Speaker 2: I was sort of you almost soon him used as
Speaker 2: an edge pack were almost He just played a little
Speaker 2: bit wider and got to got to those thirty ins
Speaker 2: quite a bit and terrorized him. And hadn't. I just
Speaker 2: think he's phenomenal player when he's on and in the
Speaker 2: mood and he's one of his first runs, he just
Speaker 2: went bang through. Nelie set up a try. You know
Speaker 2: when you got Pain Hasse and you got Adam Vanilla
Speaker 2: Blake and you've got Cam Murray playing he said before
Speaker 2: man come on.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, like you said, they were wider off the rock.
Speaker 3: And I love the tactic of that because when you're
Speaker 3: playing up against a big player with big leg speed,
Speaker 3: who if you let him get deep into the line
Speaker 3: without someone coming and putting inside pressure on taking their
Speaker 3: legs first, they can run right.
Speaker 1: And they did it really.
Speaker 3: They contained for nol Blake and Painnhause really well game two.
Speaker 1: But I love the game plan.
Speaker 3: Of Rehees Robson did a really good job of just
Speaker 3: distributing early but give it a really wide, expansive passes.
Speaker 4: And was that that early in the game. One of
Speaker 4: the commentators said, like, I think it might have been.
Speaker 4: Joey actually said that it was like throwing him like
Speaker 4: a bullet mate.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was just it was, you know, remind me of
Speaker 3: it reminded me of how Danny Badeiris used to play
Speaker 3: for Newcastle, because I remember Joey they had a call
Speaker 3: and we'd love the footy about fifteen meters wide from
Speaker 3: the ruck catching on the out and Bedsy just hit
Speaker 3: me early, so no one they can't come and put
Speaker 3: inside pressure on me. I can get deep in the
Speaker 3: line and use my footwork.
Speaker 2: That's what Joey would do. Joey would stand wide and
Speaker 2: let Bessy would throw the ball and Joey get it
Speaker 2: on the mountain line, straight in front of his target.
Speaker 3: And it was but it was like they use that
Speaker 3: for their big man today, pain Hals for noll Blake.
Speaker 3: You can't buy that with the markers can't come and
Speaker 3: get their leaks, they can't push them sideways. It just
Speaker 3: allows them clean and you can just go wind up
Speaker 3: one on one and just wind straight into the defensive
Speaker 3: line and you saw my favorite I think it was
Speaker 3: my favorite passage of play in that first half New
Speaker 3: South Wales. It showed that Nathan. It was before Nathan's try,
Speaker 3: I believe before Nathan's second try. Nathan sort of got
Speaker 3: a half We played the ball, took him on with
Speaker 3: footwork again, got a quick play the ball.
Speaker 1: Off that quick play the ball, usually.
Speaker 3: They'd hit an edge, but they didn't. They hit pain
Speaker 3: halfs wide again.
Speaker 1: Like we just said, he.
Speaker 3: Wound right up straight in the defensive line, skindled a few,
Speaker 3: got an offload to Robson, he went back. I think
Speaker 3: he went to Moses and Moses just fired it straight
Speaker 3: away oft and offload the key principal in attack in
Speaker 3: terms of getting a bit of backyard footy, ad lib footy,
Speaker 3: get it to your spine man and then just let
Speaker 3: them rip it straight to your strike and he just
Speaker 3: ripped it straight to Bradman Best. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 3: bit where Bradman Best sort of fended off on, got one,
Speaker 3: passed it inside the Hudson Young Hudson dropped it and
Speaker 3: he got whacked in the back by Harry Grant. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that was when you went, this is some really
Speaker 3: good Like we've criticized New South Wales on their ability
Speaker 3: to play two structured game one and two. Yes, but
Speaker 3: that game plan there, Nathan running off the back of
Speaker 3: that painhass offload find a center, it was really good
Speaker 3: backyard football.
Speaker 2: It was it was the player they backed themselves to
Speaker 2: play more instinctive, reactive game Jack, you played with Bradman? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is it about him? He gets on that big
Speaker 2: stage in those big games, he's.
Speaker 4: Going through specialists. I think he's running couple of deciders
Speaker 4: now come and not played previous games in that same series.
Speaker 4: He's Yeah, he seems like he's just made for Erogen.
Speaker 4: Like everyone's seen that footage of him when he played
Speaker 4: in that under eighteen under sixteens it might have been.
Speaker 1: Under under eighteen's him and Albert Hopwadi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he went the length and then from there,
Speaker 4: like he's always been touted as this because he's still
Speaker 4: young like people people.
Speaker 3: Five's two years Brady's two years under me. Yeah, twenty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so he's he's got along, He's got a
Speaker 4: fair career to go, buddy, But have you seen him,
Speaker 4: Like I said, it to you when he got in
Speaker 4: the that later try in the second half, when he
Speaker 4: was in the open and even though he had KP
Speaker 4: on his tails, I said to you, he's gone gone
Speaker 4: because I've seen Bradman get in space and I've rarely
Speaker 4: ever seen someone getting one on one.
Speaker 2: Let's see that run on that left hand side. But
Speaker 2: he gets away.
Speaker 4: He's so like he's he's got like NFL feet, Like
Speaker 4: have you seen that? Like his feet he gets his
Speaker 4: feet off and up off the ground so quick.
Speaker 2: See that, like shut up steps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's go forward to that try for a second. Right,
Speaker 3: let's go because we're jetting forward a little bit, but
Speaker 3: it was in the second half. We go forward, then
Speaker 3: we can go back a little bit. But that was
Speaker 3: probably the most controversial call of the night because I
Speaker 3: remember at the time I said, Bradman get almost get
Speaker 3: tackled by KP.
Speaker 1: So they can't review it. And when we went back.
Speaker 3: By all money the commentator saw it. We thought it
Speaker 3: had hit Jojo Fafieda and then bounced past Boss Stock's
Speaker 3: hand had gone forward, but for whatever reason, apparently it didnt.
Speaker 3: Apparently they had a camera angle in the in the
Speaker 3: corner post.
Speaker 2: On the corner post and said that he missed it.
Speaker 2: So by all means you take your breaks.
Speaker 3: We've had enough tough calls in our times just so well,
Speaker 3: so when I understand it, I do feel for Queensland
Speaker 3: because I do like to see the game what's somewhat
Speaker 3: not be ruined by any controversy.
Speaker 1: You'll give them an excuse to blame. But how did
Speaker 1: you see? How did you see it?
Speaker 2: When you watch the when you watch the I think
Speaker 2: like everyone, I think everyone when they saw it, they went, ah,
Speaker 2: well the commentator said, oh no, it's Jack's hand going
Speaker 2: to go back. And then I went to the fridge.
Speaker 4: Yeah you did.
Speaker 2: You left the roof for us to get a carrot
Speaker 2: for some reason.
Speaker 1: Well they good for your eyesight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently you probably needed it to be fair. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: and then try confirmed, Oh well we'll take that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was.
Speaker 2: And then the other one with the high kick, we're
Speaker 2: totally let a bounce and uh Toyer scored. Then mate,
Speaker 2: it was just then suddenly not was Max Bloath just
Speaker 2: like half a step off side.
Speaker 3: I now that's an age old rule where it's and
Speaker 3: everybody everybody who's played junior footy knows, you know almost
Speaker 3: the first thing you coach teachers from under six is
Speaker 3: is you know you stay on no matter what, you
Speaker 3: stay on side, you get two feet behind your kicker.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's discipline.
Speaker 3: And I understand Plath he was in front of him
Speaker 3: by he was definitely off side. But you look at
Speaker 3: some of you look at the inside ten rule and
Speaker 3: although and I actually put my hand up as I
Speaker 3: think Toya scores it either way, like whether plas there
Speaker 3: or not, he doesn't. He doesn't impact Tollu getting there.
Speaker 3: He doesn't impact the ball bounce in that direction. But
Speaker 3: I mean the letter of the law, whether it was
Speaker 3: new I was doing it or not, I'd cut that
Speaker 3: under chin just based on that fact when you are
Speaker 3: like you are taught that from day one. Whether it's
Speaker 3: it's an unfair rule potentially, but it is the letter
Speaker 3: of the law.
Speaker 1: You've got to stay behind the kicking.
Speaker 2: Look, it's not an unfair rule. It is the rule.
Speaker 2: You gotta stand behind the kicker. And if Max thought
Speaker 2: he was maybe touch and go, you know, he should
Speaker 2: have just become you know, passive and just put himself
Speaker 2: out of it, just dawdled and kept out of play
Speaker 2: it would have been a try. But some of the
Speaker 2: players like some of the changes taught me. We made well.
Speaker 2: A lot of the people are going into the game.
Speaker 2: Our blokes came as advertised, like Lea Martin went after
Speaker 2: Munster again as advertised.
Speaker 1: But you were bit You were big on like straight
Speaker 1: off the game too.
Speaker 3: You said you need to go back to some old
Speaker 3: heads and.
Speaker 1: They didn't go. They didn't bring back all the ones
Speaker 1: that you had said.
Speaker 3: But you were pretty bullish on Leam Martin. Who Marto
Speaker 3: hasn't been playing his best at club Formy. He's still
Speaker 3: probably getting back to fitness coming back from that injury.
Speaker 3: How did you see his performance tonight?
Speaker 2: Enormous? There was a there was a moment, there was
Speaker 2: it in the first half Queensland had a little bit
Speaker 2: of decent run and I forget there was a bit
Speaker 2: of broken play and then someone took the ball up
Speaker 2: and Liam Martin just hit him with everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was one in the second that he got
Speaker 4: knocked out. There was one in the second half. I
Speaker 4: know where he came in and then got went to
Speaker 4: market two times in a row.
Speaker 2: He was just going ballistic and when and when a
Speaker 2: monster monster wented it again.
Speaker 1: Oh, you are right.
Speaker 2: It was the first half, yes, the first half. But Munster.
Speaker 2: You know what he did again with Munster, did he
Speaker 2: really get a Muster's head? Well, you know, maybe not,
Speaker 2: but he was just it was just a little annoyance
Speaker 2: that Munster had to had to deal with throughout the game.
Speaker 3: As you okay, as a half matth year and I
Speaker 3: had this opinion on as a half and I think
Speaker 3: you all have the exact same. Probably the only player
Speaker 3: in an opposition as a half that can really get
Speaker 3: you off your game in defense and attack is a
Speaker 3: back roller. The one person on the field who scares
Speaker 3: a half because they're constantly winding up on you. And
Speaker 3: as soon as you get the ball, they're the ones
Speaker 3: that come and put the pressure on you. They're the
Speaker 3: ones that are name dropping you. You know, monsters getting
Speaker 3: the ball, must geting the ball is a back roller.
Speaker 3: Nobody can just scruntle a half like a back roll.
Speaker 2: And sometimes when you're operating from a sort of far past,
Speaker 2: you'll hit a bloke short and the red and the
Speaker 2: edge back row will make that tackle. Then you rip
Speaker 2: around the same way and the edge back rower as
Speaker 2: a marker and that's where they hit your blind sometimes.
Speaker 2: Like it was the like we said coming to the game,
Speaker 2: it's the way game way, Graham Cooper, Krokh he just
Speaker 2: in that two thousand and yeah, they were in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen sixteen season. He just terrorized in that whole year,
Speaker 2: just kept hitting blindly, you know, sideways in the back.
Speaker 2: It does. And Hudson Young said he was going to
Speaker 2: go after to see him, see him walk got him
Speaker 2: a couple of times. Yeah, just got into his head.
Speaker 2: It wasn't They allowed him to play too comfortable the
Speaker 2: first two games. And thirdly, Critter you know, he said,
Speaker 2: well he's a must because defensively he gives everyone confidence
Speaker 2: around it. He's a very good communicator. It was a
Speaker 2: really good battle in the first half. Critter early on
Speaker 2: went up and did a great decision you had to
Speaker 2: go out or in, and great decision to hit Kirk
Speaker 2: cap Well outside him. It was a ripper. Not long
Speaker 2: after that he went up and Monster was looking to push.
Speaker 2: They had numbers, but just Critter went up just enough
Speaker 2: to have enough presence the Monster held onto it. That's experience.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: There you flagged that because that that edge which was
Speaker 3: the target edge of Kalampong had been coming out most
Speaker 3: of game one and two. The people people might say
Speaker 3: a lot of coaches don't encourage players to get up
Speaker 3: in front of their inside nd and go, well, we'll
Speaker 3: stay and work together push them to the sideline. But
Speaker 3: the worst thing that can happen to you as a
Speaker 3: half is literally you're looking forward. You're looking forward, you
Speaker 3: go to play out the back to a Kaylen Pongo
Speaker 3: who's there. But then last minute you see that center
Speaker 3: who's worked really hard to get up in line.
Speaker 1: Speed just in your rear.
Speaker 3: You can just see him in the vision and it
Speaker 3: makes you just think if I hit him, it's a
Speaker 3: bit of a hospital pass, yes, and it just pushed
Speaker 3: monster off balance and he had to run where as
Speaker 3: you Game won and game two, they just kept giving
Speaker 3: Kaylen early ball on that sweep shape on that side.
Speaker 3: But having Creta there just in his presence, with his
Speaker 3: line speed and how long he is, it just put
Speaker 3: it just puts so much doubt in their attack.
Speaker 2: He's got present, he's got the reputation where I'll pick
Speaker 2: off intercepts and that spooks, that spooks spooks ballplayers. But
Speaker 2: he goes up what people watch him, excuse me, he
Speaker 2: goes up dead square and then he makes his decision
Speaker 2: late as opposed to making an early decision rush out,
Speaker 2: and he did get caught out once. They got him once.
Speaker 2: It was unusual because he'd been so good and the
Speaker 2: hammer try in the first half, if you have a
Speaker 2: look at that, he was just half a meter off
Speaker 2: and they got him. It was funny. It was a
Speaker 2: funny one. I just thought it was. It was unlike him.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that try for se because that was sorry,
Speaker 4: just before you get to that trial. I was going
Speaker 4: to say in terms of you said, well's changes while
Speaker 4: we're on that still like the person. I think that
Speaker 4: was probably the ballsiest to go into this game from
Speaker 4: lass was probably Mitchell Moses. After the second game, people
Speaker 4: were saying strange and then if we don't, if you don't,
Speaker 4: if you remember Mitch's last NFL game he had you
Speaker 4: know that Paramotunta had that sort of that not very
Speaker 4: good loss, and people were just calling pretty well, called
Speaker 4: for his head.
Speaker 1: Well he saw.
Speaker 3: I think Mitch's long kicking game was that was it
Speaker 3: was nearly the difference that first half, Like it got
Speaker 3: him out of a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: And Mitch's swagger. You know, he's the sort of guy
Speaker 2: that you're back to go there and swagger into sun
Speaker 2: Corps Stadium and win. He's got that, he's got that
Speaker 2: sort of confidence.
Speaker 3: Going back to that Hammer, try that because that was
Speaker 3: where New South Wales they're ad nil up, probably five
Speaker 3: minutes left. I got to command the Hammer that they
Speaker 3: were out on their feet coins and clear down thet
Speaker 3: I think Monster Sammy Walker put up a bomb of
Speaker 3: Mark n wangan need and the Hammer the only bloke
Speaker 3: that chased it, forced Anario out of Markey. Mark got
Speaker 3: him into that field position. He ends up being the
Speaker 3: one that Calyn gives him a one on one with
Speaker 3: Cruiter out the back, uses his speed and footwork, gets
Speaker 3: on the outside and his scores the trial. I thought
Speaker 3: Hammer in a losing side. I thought Hammer was really
Speaker 3: really strong.
Speaker 2: Jessey scores some important tries. Best players on the field
Speaker 2: I mean Nathan obviously Nathan Mate found the perfect balance
Speaker 2: between steering the ship, finding the right kicks at the
Speaker 2: right time and playing aggressive and running the football. Found
Speaker 2: the right balance. Leam Mart was really good. He did
Speaker 2: what he promise to do. He harassed him, and he
Speaker 2: just brought that old head and experience. He just got
Speaker 2: really stuck in them other ones. Tedesco was good in
Speaker 2: the first half till he got knocked out. That was
Speaker 2: that was a tough one.
Speaker 3: Can Can we talk about the Tedesco knockout for a second.
Speaker 3: So Teddy obviously gets knocked out, Uh, pretty bad. One
Speaker 3: little head knocked from a little headbut from Britain a
Speaker 3: corps as he sort of come unintentional obviously, Toler Kohler
Speaker 3: goes to the back. They didn't really have a lot
Speaker 3: of fullback coverage on the bench like like Queensland would
Speaker 3: have had with while she on the bench there, I
Speaker 3: thought Toler was still strong in there. Apart from there
Speaker 3: was that one where he didn't get the ball on
Speaker 3: the fall, which.
Speaker 1: Was ultimately brought back for the plath.
Speaker 3: But when Teddy gets knocked out, how you feeling do
Speaker 3: you think? How did you see new Sobel's chances going
Speaker 3: from there?
Speaker 2: Oh? I just thought we're playing I just thought we're
Speaker 2: playing really well. And I thought that, and and Tyler
Speaker 2: has been so good, you know, he's been so good
Speaker 2: this series. It was funny if you go back and
Speaker 2: watch it when he got up off the bench. He
Speaker 2: just the way he held himself and one of the
Speaker 2: players sort of slapped him on the back. That gave
Speaker 2: me confidence, I thought himself, I think we're going to
Speaker 2: be right with this bloke.
Speaker 3: Because it's literally it's a huge moment and it's probably
Speaker 3: the turning point of Queensland come back and win because
Speaker 3: they go into the they're going into the half eighteen
Speaker 3: to four. They just get a try rapefore half time
Speaker 3: with the Hamiso Tabii fido and then we lose James
Speaker 3: Tedesco and got not a specialist fullback out there, but
Speaker 3: somebody who can definitely cover the full back.
Speaker 1: Position as a New South Welshman.
Speaker 3: As a decider at sun Court, you just got the
Speaker 3: feeling this second half Queensland are going to come out
Speaker 3: and like we couldn't. You just couldn't count on being
Speaker 3: eighteen four going into a half time because you'd seen
Speaker 3: this narrative one hundred times.
Speaker 1: They start a little bit behind, all New South Walesman.
Speaker 3: Start to crack the champagne and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they come back. But first set of that second half,
Speaker 3: cap Well goes down the short side off kick off and.
Speaker 2: Drops it and the second set after the first, the
Speaker 2: first five minutes after halftime, they had two errors. It
Speaker 2: was unlike them. They took a little bit of the
Speaker 2: window of their sales. Yeah, it was you. And that's
Speaker 2: the second year in a row they've lost. That's the
Speaker 2: decider up there, second year in a row. Los can
Speaker 2: no imagine who did you coached last? Right? Was last year?
Speaker 3: Yeah they got We got beat last year by coins there.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm sorry, Tom goes quick, that's right. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's second time in three years that you know
Speaker 2: that he's been knocked off in that decider. Billy So
Speaker 2: who was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they Jake Travrovich, I've.
Speaker 2: I've gotta apologize people on dead set just sick, crooked
Speaker 2: a dog. I'm not for six people. I'm a hard man.
Speaker 1: You are not, literally.
Speaker 3: It could be, but can we Also, I really liked
Speaker 3: that they had a bit of a They didn't have
Speaker 3: a plan for him because Sam Walker went off. But
Speaker 3: when Reese Walsh came on, we were saying that the
Speaker 3: whole time, like it was shades of that Broncos Final
Speaker 3: series last year. When he came up, they put him
Speaker 3: at six and you thought, has he gonna handle six.
Speaker 3: But it was almost like slats. He said to him,
Speaker 3: You said, you put it in a good way. It
Speaker 3: was like Billy sending it to him on the radio.
Speaker 3: Is about to come out. You get out there and
Speaker 3: you win us this game for Coueensland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a bullet agate when it come out.
Speaker 3: And every time we got the ball, we literally were
Speaker 3: on the Jesse's going fucking while she's on right now.
Speaker 2: You get the feeling, Yeah, he's about to hit a
Speaker 2: rich man at fall.
Speaker 1: I heard.
Speaker 4: I heard that it had been been wet weather up
Speaker 4: there at the moment and a few times where he
Speaker 4: found space if it was dry, a dry track. I
Speaker 4: thought to myself, Oh, he's away here, but it gets slipping.
Speaker 4: I was saying, oh, like because I ran the camera.
Speaker 4: Smith through the week was saying that queens and they've
Speaker 4: had lots of rain lately and it probably didn't suit them,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because usually they play on
Speaker 4: that lighter track up there.
Speaker 2: Well. Well, at one point it was like fantasy football
Speaker 2: because you had Sam Walker, Munster, Kaylon and Reese out.
Speaker 4: All and Harry Harry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all out of it.
Speaker 3: It was all out of and as soon as he
Speaker 3: come on, mate, he turned a lot of the game
Speaker 3: for him. It was he's kept a lot of momentum
Speaker 3: back every time I touched the ball. He was dangerous,
Speaker 3: but he helped set up with alongside Klein the cell
Speaker 3: and Cobbo little Gruber try in that corner with a
Speaker 3: little bit of luck, bit of pinball stuff going on.
Speaker 3: But it was almost to the fact where when Sam
Speaker 3: Walker come back on with a come back from his hia,
Speaker 3: we were sitting there going do you.
Speaker 1: Put Samy Walker back on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because they were combining really well.
Speaker 3: Of those three, he ended up didn't and he put
Speaker 3: while she back at full back, brought Kaalen off for
Speaker 3: a little spell, then put him back out through the ruck.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it was a a It was
Speaker 3: a big call from Bill. I thought it was a
Speaker 3: really big call given that they were actually combining really
Speaker 3: really strongly out there together.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, well done the New South Wales. Well do
Speaker 2: under Lorry on Laurier. I'll just say this is that
Speaker 2: my advice to Larry would be mate, go again. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why I say that. It's because, like it's
Speaker 2: obvious in this third game, like he struggled to really
Speaker 2: find the right formula. How we want, you know, how
Speaker 2: do you want to do the interchange and the right
Speaker 2: players and the nu onces. It's obvious that the players
Speaker 2: want to win for him, and he's found the formula.
Speaker 2: You've done all the hard work, You've found what works.
Speaker 2: Now why walk away? Now?
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: I mean, I imagine the last five weeks has been
Speaker 3: somewhat torturous for him. This is such a reward for
Speaker 3: just soldiering through a pretty tough period in his life.
Speaker 3: I reckon, So, I don't know how much more. And
Speaker 3: maybe Los I remember when we had laws on he
Speaker 3: as he got announced in his coach he had a
Speaker 3: point to prove from Like it was almost like he
Speaker 3: just wanted to prove.
Speaker 1: To himself he could do it. So I don't know
Speaker 1: whether this seems like a long term thing for Loss.
Speaker 2: When it went to him, when they cut to him
Speaker 2: full time before Phil made he just looked Sam.
Speaker 3: He was running the cane through his two page, just
Speaker 3: going thank the lords, can we.
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw I'm not going to throw hairlines?
Speaker 1: Can we can we? Also?
Speaker 2: Like we had to give up the fight?
Speaker 3: It talked about Jackie Bostock as well, shout out to
Speaker 3: him on his debut. I thought he did a couple
Speaker 3: of like a couple of errors in his game.
Speaker 1: It was awesome, but he's mate, what a debut for
Speaker 1: a young fella.
Speaker 3: A big moment you said that one on won, but
Speaker 3: an even bigger moment. I think Harry put a nice
Speaker 3: little kick in the ingle. He was the only one
Speaker 3: back there beat four blokes gets out the Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought it was a really strong I mean, there's
Speaker 3: been some great stat of origin deboos and he probably
Speaker 3: isn't going to get a start amongst those, but I
Speaker 3: thought he was really.
Speaker 2: Strong and a lot of pressure on him. People were going, Jesus,
Speaker 2: you can't believe that Brian was dropped and they went
Speaker 2: with him again. Big decision from Laurie.
Speaker 3: It paid off and just before we think Nathan Cleary
Speaker 3: Wally lewis medallist two tries, you actually tipped him for.
Speaker 1: Two tries as well. I did shout out to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bit on the show. I did
Speaker 2: it on the podcast and on the show they went
Speaker 2: what's your prediction? And on the show, just mate, what
Speaker 2: was going to happen? They had this, They got something
Speaker 2: for me next Thursday night or Sunday night where I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but to dad, one of
Speaker 2: those things we put your hand in and they had
Speaker 2: it ready for me. And then what is it? I said?
Speaker 2: Nathan Cleary two tries? Why Nathan Cleary? Because he's ready
Speaker 2: for this game. He's up for this game and he
Speaker 2: plays his best football and he runs the football. And
Speaker 2: I must say when he went for his second try,
Speaker 2: some of the text best is coming through the boys gap. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So do I have to do something now or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think, yeah, absolutely, we're going to get those
Speaker 2: two blokes up again. And yet we're get whipped with
Speaker 2: the with the with the hit with the cord.
Speaker 1: Oh no, the electrical cord. It looks horrendous. What that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know why those I've met those blokes, Marty
Speaker 3: and Michael before, Why you choose to do that for
Speaker 3: a living, To just punish yourself is so beyond me.
Speaker 2: Every day getting up and saying today I'm going to
Speaker 2: get whipped.
Speaker 3: But I just want to say to Nathan, because he's
Speaker 3: he's a friend of the podcast, congratulations because he talk
Speaker 3: about low has been under pressure and people hammering him.
Speaker 3: People have hammered Nathan for quite a while. I bloke
Speaker 3: that one four Grand Finals in a row, a champion
Speaker 3: of the game. But he's probably been unlucky in some
Speaker 3: State of origin circumstances. Some games he hasn't played his
Speaker 3: best football. He'll be aware of that, but I think
Speaker 3: it's a great reward for hard work when he's actually
Speaker 3: his twentieth origin tonight as well.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, that's that's crept up. So he's finished with it,
Speaker 2: and I'll do I'll finish with it. Just something I'll
Speaker 2: do my famous match I remember talk about all the
Speaker 2: time when Madge does this when you talk to Madge
Speaker 2: on something new. Yep, so just wrap.
Speaker 3: You actually introduced that on the Family podcast, which comes
Speaker 3: out on Friday.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll preview it here then.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you do this shout out of people at
Speaker 3: the end of the Family podcast on Friday.
Speaker 1: Dad does a great Madge impersonation.
Speaker 2: When ID is interviewed and he agrees what the interview
Speaker 2: is asking. He likes it. He does this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll ask you as though you're in a
Speaker 3: press conference and I'm asking about New South Wales.
Speaker 1: Madge.
Speaker 3: Obviously you you know you coached New South Wales not
Speaker 3: too long ago, to the side up at some court
Speaker 3: to see them win it tonight. It must be pretty
Speaker 3: satisfying for a former Blues coach. And and how do
Speaker 3: you feel towards Lourie and the Blues team at the moment.
Speaker 1: You idiot shadow of the Blue.
Speaker 3: He went in camp too, Hey, everyone call in sick
Speaker 3: to work tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah,