Speaker 1: Welcome to the Daily Telegraph and our podcast. I'm Michael
Speaker 1: Carrianas and joined by the boys. I've got David Riccio Brenting.
Speaker 2: So good to be How are we fellas?
Speaker 3: Are you ready?
Speaker 4: It's super super good. When the Warburgers last night we
Speaker 4: four took the soccer team. Now we had fifty cent
Speaker 4: chicken wings nice. Yes, so you spent one hundred and
Speaker 4: forty four chicken wings er.
Speaker 5: What did everyone else need?
Speaker 3: Oh? He started already. That's a good Dave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been busy, but it's good.
Speaker 5: It's regular league, the game that never sleeps.
Speaker 1: We won't touch on David better because by the time
Speaker 1: this podcast goes there we might have a decision, so
Speaker 1: we'll bypass that.
Speaker 5: But a young that you've been all over this week,
Speaker 5: Dave dan gag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had an offer from the Sydney Roosters, but
Speaker 1: obvios to stay in Newcastle.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to go. I really did
Speaker 2: the an appetite from day to win a premiership before
Speaker 2: he retires and he had to he had to weigh
Speaker 2: that up on where the Roosters heading. Coupled with the
Speaker 2: offer of a two year deal against a one year deal,
Speaker 2: of the Newcastle Knights with a mutual option for a
Speaker 2: second season, which really doesn't give you much guarantee of
Speaker 2: getting that second season. No guarantee, that's right if you're
Speaker 2: a player. But ultimately Danes pretty settled up their young
Speaker 2: family in schools and his wife is working up there also,
Speaker 2: so he just weighed up that family element and just
Speaker 2: has decided to stay with the Knights. But as I said,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a surprise. The Roosters don't miss
Speaker 2: too many guys. What does it mean for Newcastle? Reading
Speaker 2: that he's not only turned down the Roosters but turned
Speaker 2: down a two year guarantee to stay for Newcastles for
Speaker 2: one year with no guarantee of the second season.
Speaker 3: It's pretty positive reflection on the coaching up there and
Speaker 3: his belief in the squad. I think he's had a
Speaker 3: really good year, Dane Goego.
Speaker 4: They've been a bit inconsistent Newcastle, but he's actually been
Speaker 4: one of their better players this year. Shows no signs
Speaker 4: of slowing down. How old is here to day thirty four?
Speaker 3: That's the worry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that the twelve I think Newcastle
Speaker 1: have played this well too to keep him for twelve
Speaker 1: months guaranteed and then if he's playing like the way
Speaker 1: he's playing now, it's a no brander that he rolls
Speaker 1: on for a further twelve months. But they minimize that
Speaker 1: risk that is associated with signing. You know he'll be
Speaker 1: thirty five next year. A player of that agent, you
Speaker 1: would have.
Speaker 3: Him in your Queensland team.
Speaker 2: We did our origin size are not up. I've got
Speaker 2: him ahead of Valentine Holmes. Yeah, wouldn't. Valentine home has
Speaker 2: been terrible this year and anyone that wants to try
Speaker 2: and tell me that I agree has been playing well
Speaker 2: has not watched anything.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree Mick. But something happens when Valentine puts
Speaker 2: a Queensland I agree. Same with don't go to the past.
Speaker 2: He's been in poor not as bad as U plays
Speaker 2: for Queensland and scores tries.
Speaker 3: He's so far out.
Speaker 4: For the reason I asked is that's a reflection on
Speaker 4: how well Dane Gago has been playing.
Speaker 3: Not an indictment.
Speaker 5: Last year was it one of the great raps on day?
Speaker 2: And Gagoy is two things. One he rarely misses games.
Speaker 2: If you go through his career, he's playing twenty games
Speaker 2: plus it will be a three out of gamer potentially
Speaker 2: by the time. Yeah, if he sees in most seasons.
Speaker 2: The second point to that is, despite the fact that
Speaker 2: he's thirty three turning thirty four, is he doesn't miss
Speaker 2: training sessions. And that's what the Roosters loved about him,
Speaker 2: given the vacuum of outside backs that they're going to
Speaker 2: suffer at the end of this year, is they dropped
Speaker 2: Day and Gaga into the system and they know they're
Speaker 2: going to get a twenty gamer who's going to train
Speaker 2: every session and then teach their next crop of young
Speaker 2: outside backs. How it would have worked. However, that's obviously
Speaker 2: not going to happen. But yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: the Knights have got to win here, big win because
Speaker 2: of you can't come across experience. It's rep players who's
Speaker 2: playing at the level of what Dan is. You don't
Speaker 2: come across them every every game. Every week.
Speaker 1: We'll go into ours and size probably a bit more
Speaker 1: in depth next week.
Speaker 5: But who are your queen Land Sanders?
Speaker 4: I think Vowl and the Hammer. I just think vells Billy.
Speaker 4: Billy is a law type of guy, right, I think he.
Speaker 1: Hasn't played Josh pupp Lee, Feliceafusi, Danga guy all that,
Speaker 1: he's you know, your team well, he's been mainstays in
Speaker 1: the last couple of years that he sort of eaged
Speaker 1: out the door.
Speaker 3: But those guys are a bit older.
Speaker 4: I don't think Bell's not coming towards the end of
Speaker 4: their career where you've got to phase Val out.
Speaker 3: I mean Bells still yeah, yeah, yeah, he's still young enough.
Speaker 4: He's going to be there for a few years yet.
Speaker 4: His goalkicker too, which is important. And he's a goalkicker
Speaker 4: because who's the other goalkeeper kicker daily Maybe Yell is
Speaker 4: probably the best kicker.
Speaker 5: So he hasn't even kicked all this year.
Speaker 3: He hasn't done anything well this year. But I just
Speaker 3: would be stunned if Billy left him out because he's
Speaker 3: Vale home.
Speaker 5: Who did you go?
Speaker 2: I did vow and the hammer on the basis that,
Speaker 2: as I said, I've seen Val do this before. He's
Speaker 2: had a bit of a flat season and then he
Speaker 2: pulls the Queensland jump on and no doubt just play
Speaker 2: so well. And the fact that they went away from
Speaker 2: day last series is the decision that led me back
Speaker 2: to Val. It feels like they may have. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say that they've closed the curtain on it and moved on,
Speaker 2: but they did move on last year.
Speaker 3: Do you need to move on in Origin?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Well, I can play Set and Comma on the centers.
Speaker 4: If they don't want to pick Vale there, pick another winger, but.
Speaker 3: You can play someone's been outstanding in the centers.
Speaker 4: I think from Brisbane, so I would have thought he's
Speaker 4: here a done gago as well potentially as the senatece.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they even flat with our gone back
Speaker 1: to the wing, considering how.
Speaker 3: Potentially shout me. Thanks, thanks for giving us some ideas,
Speaker 3: Billy helping us out.
Speaker 2: We're going good Blade, Flonga and others you're across this week, Dave,
Speaker 2: we'll just run through all your stories this week for
Speaker 2: them all.
Speaker 1: But Blaze testing the open market, had an option. We
Speaker 1: speak about options. He had an option. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: way for next season. Is intimated to the Eels that
Speaker 1: he won't to take that up. Where do we see
Speaker 1: Blaze's future?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, nineteen years of age, obviously a really strong talent,
Speaker 2: local junior from the paramounter Reels, and the Eels want
Speaker 2: to keep him. They have offered him a new deal
Speaker 2: and he extended upgrade on twenty five, twenty six, and
Speaker 2: twenty seven for Blaze. However, he did have this option
Speaker 2: or trigger in his contract to trigger the twenty five season,
Speaker 2: of which he's decided not to trigger and take himself
Speaker 2: to the open market. I don't think he's going to
Speaker 2: be short of offers, guys, but it just it's a
Speaker 2: little bit concerning if you're a paraffine when you see
Speaker 2: such a young kid not just sticking strong and going
Speaker 2: with the club.
Speaker 4: Have they worked out his best position yet? Well, I
Speaker 4: think he knows where he wants to I think he's
Speaker 4: a six, right. He played, He's played a lot of six,
Speaker 4: played a bit of center.
Speaker 5: We can't do that.
Speaker 3: Hasn't played a lot of fullback, and they're playing in
Speaker 3: a fullback this week.
Speaker 1: He can't do that a parent, right, and you'd assume
Speaker 1: that he can't play in the centers next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there as well.
Speaker 4: I'man for you know, if you consider yourself. I think
Speaker 4: they're trying to say wants to be a fullback, right suggested,
Speaker 4: hasn't played a lot of fullback.
Speaker 3: In his life.
Speaker 2: We're going to get a great look at it tomorrow,
Speaker 2: a great look at it.
Speaker 3: So I can sort of understand him looking around.
Speaker 4: Given they bought out the top, they blocked his path
Speaker 4: with Dylan, they brought out at the top of him
Speaker 4: with Zac Lomax. If you're a kid looking at that
Speaker 4: situation and the club has promised to the world, you know,
Speaker 4: we see you as our future, then you go and
Speaker 4: buy Zack Lomax at the top of him and you
Speaker 4: block it, block his path with Dylan Brown. I can
Speaker 4: understand the guy actually looking around and see what's out
Speaker 4: there for him.
Speaker 3: If that's if his preferred positions are covered by other players.
Speaker 2: So the only concern for that readman, and I think
Speaker 2: you're a spot on. The only concern is that clubs
Speaker 2: wanting to buy Blaze actually haven't seen him in the
Speaker 2: position that he wants to play.
Speaker 3: They would have because they would have seen not a
Speaker 3: kid who has come from nowhere clubs.
Speaker 2: So let's just say he's blowing the lights out at
Speaker 2: five eighths right for the Eels and he and he
Speaker 2: still wants to move on, Well, there'd be there'd be
Speaker 2: mass interest in him and he would be able to
Speaker 2: demand big money. But because we haven't seen that in
Speaker 2: the n r L, him testing the market. Yes, I
Speaker 2: get that, but I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 2: maybe get the excessive amounts of doors that he may
Speaker 2: get had we know what position he actually belongs to.
Speaker 2: Paying for potential, let's just a hypothetical. You're the dragons,
Speaker 2: just the total hypothetical.
Speaker 5: Here, and you want him to be a six.
Speaker 1: Well, you're paying for upside, You're not for something that
Speaker 1: you've seen in first grade.
Speaker 2: So that Galvin is a great example. We know that
Speaker 2: now this guy's an inn role play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, good point.
Speaker 4: He can come. I'm sure he can come. I'm sure
Speaker 4: that deals not off the table of Paramatta. I mean
Speaker 4: if it doesn't, if it looks elsewhere, you can always
Speaker 4: come back. I don't think it necessarily leave paramatter. I
Speaker 4: don't think that's a fair to complete. I think he
Speaker 4: just wants to see what's out there. His management do
Speaker 4: see what's out there and weigh it all up and
Speaker 4: then make an educated decision on where his future should they.
Speaker 2: Paramatta is obviously in the news and we'll be they
Speaker 2: had to buy last week.
Speaker 3: So this is your favorite subject.
Speaker 2: It's not my favorite subject at all.
Speaker 5: But where do we see the stop it?
Speaker 1: Where do we see the future for Brad as obviously
Speaker 1: something Brad Arthur the Cave. There's some suggestions around recruitment
Speaker 1: and retention and the like. Where things are around Paramat
Speaker 1: at the moment, really well, I.
Speaker 4: Think there's pressure on, right, I didn't think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 4: You know, if they missed the eighth this year, I
Speaker 4: think most people assume Brad will be gone.
Speaker 3: But by then it's going to be too late. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think a.
Speaker 4: Lot of people think, and you you're chief among them,
Speaker 4: who think Wayne Bennett's ready made. That's what a Paramatter's
Speaker 4: ready made for Wayne Bennett to come in.
Speaker 3: And there so there's no well that's the problem. So
Speaker 3: what do you do then?
Speaker 4: I'm sure Paramatic could turn around at the end of
Speaker 4: the year if they miss the eight and go, well,
Speaker 4: there's no one better than Brad.
Speaker 2: Decision, Well, that's that's likely to happen to me, they
Speaker 2: can't do that. So where would you like them to
Speaker 2: move to? Because can you rule Wayne Banner that's not happening.
Speaker 2: So where are they're going to move to?
Speaker 1: They've got paramatter of two options in a way, right,
Speaker 1: they can go, We're going to blow up the joint.
Speaker 1: Now we'll get rid of Brad, blow up the joint,
Speaker 1: move a those senior players on and start the process fresh.
Speaker 3: Right, that's too hard. You can't give senior players, not
Speaker 3: all of them.
Speaker 2: But it's not too hard because those bakes are still sellable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, move on your captain at the
Speaker 3: end of the year.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying these are their options.
Speaker 3: Right, that's not that's not a realistic option.
Speaker 1: Then they go on, or they stick with the players
Speaker 1: that they've got and then go all in the next
Speaker 1: two years and try and fine tune that roster a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 5: I don't buy the fact that.
Speaker 3: You're saying either way it's without Brad.
Speaker 2: Has to be without Bread if they don't make the age,
Speaker 2: I think to mix first point, I think there'd be
Speaker 2: a natural attrition anyway from from Brad leaving. I think
Speaker 2: they'd be there's so many loyal players to Brad after
Speaker 2: at that club.
Speaker 5: Well maybe that's what they need.
Speaker 2: So therefore the club won't actually have to make decisions
Speaker 2: on the players. The players will make decisions for themselves
Speaker 2: that they don't want to play for the next coach.
Speaker 3: With The issue is they might leave, it's so late
Speaker 3: to make a call that.
Speaker 5: Teams find space for someone like killing Garthursen's on the mark.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to cut lose Gutha. Are you serious.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if it doesn't.
Speaker 4: Matter who the coach is next year, you you're often
Speaker 4: described as their best player, so they're going to You're
Speaker 4: saying they should cut loose.
Speaker 3: To if Brad leaves, he won't leave. Where's he gonna
Speaker 3: go signing now, I'm not saying he's unsignable.
Speaker 5: People would move.
Speaker 2: If he came to the market in November, people would
Speaker 2: find space for him straight away.
Speaker 3: That's the case.
Speaker 4: Paramattal let him go if that, If that, if he's
Speaker 4: that in demand.
Speaker 5: Because they just haven't that they've under achieved.
Speaker 3: So something that's your captain, something is wrong, best player.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's what I would do. I said
Speaker 2: there's two options for them to go down. There's two
Speaker 2: paths to go down. You blow it up completely and
Speaker 2: you start again.
Speaker 3: Because I didn't think that's realistic with.
Speaker 5: Param matter, you're going to have to do that in
Speaker 5: the next two years.
Speaker 4: As Dave said, there'll be a natural attrition, not with
Speaker 4: the coach going I think, but with players.
Speaker 3: Correct coming to the end of the contract. You're going
Speaker 3: to have to just roll them over.
Speaker 5: To regenerate that roster within two years, no doubt. Right.
Speaker 5: That's why I still think Wayne is the best for
Speaker 5: him because they can go in with.
Speaker 2: I told you, Wayne, if they listened to me for
Speaker 2: six months ago, that's what I would. I'm going to
Speaker 2: give you a theory on why Wayne Bennett's no chance
Speaker 2: of Paramatta give us, and that is that the paramount
Speaker 2: of management structure are an all inclusive structure where they
Speaker 2: have a recruitment retention committee and they have from chairman.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't want to sit That's right, they wouldn't. That's right.
Speaker 2: This is a chairman, CEO, head of every coach, every club.
Speaker 2: People smash this paramount of recruitment. But I'm not bagging that.
Speaker 2: You're missing my point. What I'm saying is is they
Speaker 2: want the inclusivity with the head coach. They won't won't
Speaker 2: give them that, So why would they appoint a coach
Speaker 2: I won't give them that? It won't happen. I think
Speaker 2: I think Wayne's got the stature in the game that
Speaker 2: he can do what he wants for to and I
Speaker 2: agree he does think that football club likes inclusivity, the issues.
Speaker 3: I just moved to slow, move too slow, that's issue.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Paramatta's retention and recruitment. Which club doesn't
Speaker 2: have one of them?
Speaker 3: Look at Melbourne arguably the private point.
Speaker 4: Melbourne got a recruitment committee that's got Frank Pinissi, Paul Barney, one,
Speaker 4: Craig Bellamy. I think roricks on it.
Speaker 1: Anyone that learns that the coach is not having significant
Speaker 1: say on the paramount Rosto is the looted.
Speaker 4: And they've said over and over again Brad makes the
Speaker 4: ultimate decision.
Speaker 5: Does and anyone that thinks otherwise.
Speaker 4: I don't think I want to argue that Craig in
Speaker 4: Melbourne actually has less power than Brad when it comes
Speaker 4: to recruitment because Craig can get overruled. Look at the
Speaker 4: Tavita Pangua situation right now. Interesting Craig's interested in other
Speaker 4: people at the club aren't convinced. So that's I think Craig.
Speaker 4: He probably just goes okay, boys, let's move on to
Speaker 4: someone else. I do you surprise you because it respects
Speaker 4: the people who are in that meat, in that in
Speaker 4: that room.
Speaker 2: Just on paramatter. And Brad Arthur, I think he will know.
Speaker 2: I think he'll make the He'll know when he's it's
Speaker 2: time to go, you're going to walk. I just think
Speaker 2: I just well, that's what Buzz alludes to the other
Speaker 2: he knows that as soon as that it's at the
Speaker 2: point of no return, he'll go. He's been eleven years,
Speaker 2: he knows, he knows the football club. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: to sink the club.
Speaker 4: Still, don't give me an alternative. Coach can't throw one year?
Speaker 4: Jason Ross.
Speaker 2: No, no, I think that that coach need that group
Speaker 2: with the senior players. You're cleaning them out.
Speaker 5: With the senior players that they've got.
Speaker 1: I think they need an experienced case.
Speaker 3: So there's no one. Well, Brad's an experienced coach. Did
Speaker 3: you know? Did you not read the back page of
Speaker 3: the paper?
Speaker 2: Jason Demetrio, I don't know if I'm with all respect
Speaker 2: to j D, I don't know if I'm sacking I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm sacking Brad and picking up the
Speaker 2: coach straight away.
Speaker 3: That probably I probably agree with.
Speaker 2: He's just giving he needs to be more time away,
Speaker 2: give a little bit and reinvent himself. Guys. I'm just
Speaker 2: here to try and provide options and for the listeners
Speaker 2: to try and to see who's out there, and you
Speaker 2: guys have come up with duck eggs no defense.
Speaker 5: He came up with Jason Roles.
Speaker 3: I don't have an alternative? Thank you?
Speaker 2: Who are the scene?
Speaker 5: Is he doing again?
Speaker 2: Remind everyone he's.
Speaker 3: Like coach of the coaches pathways down.
Speaker 5: In Melbourne about what about match?
Speaker 3: But is a match that's a good one?
Speaker 2: Isn't the replacement to.
Speaker 3: To Craig's going again? Please about match? That's a good one?
Speaker 3: I like that one, Madge. What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one. Actually good one. Match solved
Speaker 3: the problem just like that. You're in, I'm in.
Speaker 1: Well you touched on JD Jason Demetrio, Dave you have
Speaker 1: a chat with him yesterday?
Speaker 5: Erstley, how's he?
Speaker 2: How is he? It's look, you've just been asked from
Speaker 2: a twenty four to seven job, right. It's amazing how
Speaker 2: your world just stops after being a head coach. I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys are twenty four to seven video phone calls,
Speaker 2: player managers, see players relationships with them, that's without coaching
Speaker 2: relationship with and suddenly the phone just it's incredible, that's right.
Speaker 2: And I got to say he's in a pretty good
Speaker 2: frame of mind. Hey, look he was really upbeat, more concerned.
Speaker 3: About the same outfit on.
Speaker 5: Watching on YouTube.
Speaker 1: But the way he carried himself that morning outstanding. Is
Speaker 1: nothing that I've seen before from a coach that understood
Speaker 1: why the media were there. He got the significance of
Speaker 1: the story, wasn't surety, said a few things and then
Speaker 1: said guys, enjoy your day, thank you, and I'll get
Speaker 1: went home and coached his daughter's footy team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, under four junior rugby league team. Interesting point
Speaker 2: and this is the credit to the man. There were
Speaker 2: people within the football club that suggested J Dre's there's
Speaker 2: a media pack out the front, go around the back
Speaker 2: way and we'll get a car, or we'll get you
Speaker 2: to your car away from the cameras. And he said
Speaker 2: to them, well, I've got nothing to hide. I'm going
Speaker 2: I'll go out there and answer a few questions and respectful.
Speaker 4: It was quite funny because I was out there most
Speaker 4: of the day and you saw there. I was behind
Speaker 4: him coming from the back.
Speaker 3: That's because I was sitting there having coffee, just waiting,
Speaker 3: and suddenly this bloke walks past his It was J D.
Speaker 3: I went JD. Then I realized a better chase this
Speaker 3: blake because of a camera's just surround him and he
Speaker 3: was fantastics.
Speaker 4: Such a good blake. Yeah, guys like that you want
Speaker 4: to see succeed. You want to see them go. Well,
Speaker 4: you want to what she want us to see him
Speaker 4: back and coaching because he's such a good fellow. He's
Speaker 4: so good to deal with. And look, he's got a
Speaker 4: clearly he has ability.
Speaker 2: He made the point he made the point in the
Speaker 2: interview that that not only did they go to the
Speaker 2: pre limb so there's been there's all talk about trying
Speaker 2: to take over from Bennett, they went to the prelim. Right.
Speaker 2: I think that's a tick that proves that he broke
Speaker 2: the curse of Wayne Bennett. Right. He then went the
Speaker 2: first twelve rounds, leading the competition by beating Bennett, Bellamy
Speaker 2: and Ivan Clearing in three straight weeks in the rounds. Right,
Speaker 2: the guy can coach, There's no denying a god can coach.
Speaker 2: Then injuries, external internal influences began to take hold of
Speaker 2: which he admits he learnt so much from as far
Speaker 2: as how to manage internal and external noises, of which
Speaker 2: he believes that that challenge itself. Can we also remind
Speaker 2: ourselves the size of this South Sydney club, Whatever next
Speaker 2: club he goes to, except for the Broncos Roosters, right,
Speaker 2: he will not He will not have the magnitude scrutiny,
Speaker 2: scrutiny and spot of what it is to coach.
Speaker 1: South What's his path back? Is it an assistant coaching
Speaker 1: roll Super League?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 2: Because I don't think he's a guaranteed to walk straight
Speaker 2: into a head coaching job. No, I don't think. I
Speaker 2: think that would be his goal.
Speaker 3: But I don't.
Speaker 2: I think you have to be realistic and I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is to me.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think you go back to
Speaker 2: the UK.
Speaker 4: Maybe he follows the Seabolt path and Seebs was an
Speaker 4: assistant with Eddie Jones, assistant in Newcastle and found a
Speaker 4: way back. Eventually a club took a chance on him,
Speaker 4: so you know he does have He played in England
Speaker 4: and the coach over there just played.
Speaker 5: He wasn't a head coach in the Super League, so.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe England. And how old are his kids,
Speaker 3: honestly high school students?
Speaker 2: Don't think I think there's an element of hang on
Speaker 2: a second, I have.
Speaker 3: Done that.
Speaker 2: Needs to prove myself, you know, unless.
Speaker 3: Well, why would you just go and be an assistant
Speaker 3: coach somewhere for a while.
Speaker 2: I don't think just so he's stilling the system at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to stay relevant, You've got to stay in the.
Speaker 4: He's been at the Cowboys before. They could do some
Speaker 4: help at the moment the way that they're going.
Speaker 5: Well, you touched on the Cows What is going on there? Hey,
Speaker 5: hang on a se did you say as an assistant.
Speaker 2: Well, what's honestly, at what point is this football club
Speaker 2: not reassessing where they're heading with.
Speaker 3: Toddy, with Todd?
Speaker 5: What is going on there?
Speaker 3: I think that's forgotten. How to defend?
Speaker 4: They didn't couldn't defend last year either. They've been hopeless
Speaker 4: at times. It started the year so well.
Speaker 2: Queensland Cup side last week they.
Speaker 5: Did, they were Dolphins, but.
Speaker 4: The first three or four weeks they were leading the convent.
Speaker 4: They after three or four and there was a soft
Speaker 4: drawer that a soft soft.
Speaker 3: Draw away in the year.
Speaker 4: Maybe they've got a false in security because they've been
Speaker 4: abysmal ever since. They've just been so inconsistent, and there's
Speaker 4: so much talent in that roster. There's such a talent roster.
Speaker 4: They should be playing top They should be in the
Speaker 4: top eight. They should have been last year, they should
Speaker 4: be this year. But obviously they're just defensively abysmal.
Speaker 5: Does the pressure me are on tight?
Speaker 3: Or of course it does. It's got it. We're talking
Speaker 3: about Brad. I mean, you know he said if they
Speaker 3: miss the again this year, yeah, he's got to be
Speaker 3: under the microscope. There's got to be scrutiny on him.
Speaker 2: So they had at one point win I have a Newcastle.
Speaker 2: In round two, they beat.
Speaker 3: Saint Georgia, Laura, Yeah, that's a soft draw.
Speaker 2: Right then the Broncos pounded them, right then they beat
Speaker 2: the Titans. Right then Paramatta beat them, yep. Then the
Speaker 2: Sharks smacked them, you know, Panthers beat them. That was
Speaker 2: a close game twenty six twenty and then last week
Speaker 2: the Dolphins took care of him. This is a huge game, guys.
Speaker 4: There is a big game on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Where is that game?
Speaker 2: You don't think we're going to be who wins that one?
Speaker 4: I think I tiped the Cowboys, but with no can
Speaker 4: in confidence in either of those teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point, really, but I must say
Speaker 2: it's time to start to turn the wheel.
Speaker 3: But the day with feet, that thing has been going
Speaker 3: on all week. You wonder how that's going to impact them,
Speaker 3: how it's going to impact Dave.
Speaker 2: Check Towns back for the Cowboys helps, but no confidence
Speaker 2: whatsoever in this Cowboys side. That was I think was
Speaker 2: highly embarrassing, and I think internally they're starting to seriously
Speaker 2: have a look at themselves. The way they'll beat up
Speaker 2: by that Dolphins.
Speaker 4: They're so lucky they're up in towns, will right, They're
Speaker 4: not imagine imagine that exactly.
Speaker 3: They would beginning to ham.
Speaker 5: Todd Payton.
Speaker 4: But they're up in towns with a bit of out
Speaker 4: of side, out of mind, which is the pressure on
Speaker 4: Todd and that group.
Speaker 3: But they're about to get hit by Origin too.
Speaker 4: They'll lose Nanni val Ruben Cotter, if there's injuries, maybe
Speaker 4: they lose dead and.
Speaker 3: At some point. Yeah, so they got a tough month coming.
Speaker 1: Up, Robson potentially, robs potential And the other side that's
Speaker 1: been a erratic this year is your Warriors.
Speaker 2: Dave's going on that I can't get my finger on
Speaker 2: this look there's been a bit of a factor of injuries.
Speaker 2: I've played a role that Cap was a key signing
Speaker 2: for them. He's missed a couple of games, he's come
Speaker 2: off the field with an injury and games. I think
Speaker 2: that the injury to metcalf upset their spine and ambitions
Speaker 2: to start the year.
Speaker 5: I think Sean Johnson.
Speaker 2: Isn't clear clearly isn't playing the football of which he
Speaker 2: was last year.
Speaker 5: That is the point for mine.
Speaker 1: The biggest difference for the Warriors at the moment is
Speaker 1: the lack of Polish game management, end of sets that
Speaker 1: Sean Johnson was able to produce last year that he's
Speaker 1: not producing this year. And you know, they're forwards are
Speaker 1: still doing a job and marching up the field. That
Speaker 1: had a lot of opportunities against the Knights. They got
Speaker 1: down the Knights and pretty consistently, but they just didn't
Speaker 1: throw anything at him with the football. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot comes down to on Seawan Johnson's shoulders, because
Speaker 1: as you alluded to, he's not produced what we saw
Speaker 1: saw from him last year.
Speaker 4: They're almost the flip side of New and North Queens
Speaker 4: and they're not North Queens. Queensland's defenses let them down.
Speaker 4: The Warriors attacks let them down.
Speaker 3: The gap if you look at them defensively, the Warriors,
Speaker 3: they've been pretty good this year.
Speaker 1: They're not as far off as a Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Warriors there is what North Queensland
Speaker 1: and probably Paramatter are at the moment.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 1: They're not as far off from challenging back.
Speaker 3: But it starts entering dice tras. They don't start wating
Speaker 3: because if they're not top performing, they're not top for me.
Speaker 3: They can't. They can't win it. They're not top four
Speaker 3: for me. It's too hard. No one can win it
Speaker 3: basically if they're not I think.
Speaker 4: I saw that the Broncos could finish out the top four,
Speaker 4: get right on back and they can make a run
Speaker 4: at it.
Speaker 3: But I don't think the Warriors can. You can't not
Speaker 3: not you know.
Speaker 2: The Roosters on Sunday, it's a big game. It's a
Speaker 2: huge game and I was just thinking about last year
Speaker 2: if this, if this game was drawn, we're probably all
Speaker 2: tipping the Warriors.
Speaker 4: The four that they were in almost tipped the Warriors.
Speaker 4: This week, well, had a feeling there is a red hot,
Speaker 4: but just had a feeling, you know, just feeling fell
Speaker 4: at the Warriors. At some point they're too good to
Speaker 4: keep playing the way they are.
Speaker 2: Flying up the name, which we haven't say, I think
Speaker 2: people saying since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: I didn't tip them. I said almost, we're just having
Speaker 3: to go. We're having to go.
Speaker 5: Well, you're just embarrassing.
Speaker 2: It's a good games this weekend, Jesus, A good game.
Speaker 1: We're touching on size and a bit of radic at
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 2: Where do we rank Tigers starts this year?
Speaker 3: Can we come on slack? Seriously?
Speaker 4: They're better football team this year. You don't think they've
Speaker 4: been a better football team this year.
Speaker 5: They're definitely better.
Speaker 3: They definitely said better than what they were.
Speaker 2: The results aren't showing that.
Speaker 5: The results are not showing it because.
Speaker 3: They haven't been the last five weeks.
Speaker 5: They haven't been better.
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to string for very few performances
Speaker 1: or eighty minutes. They can't find eighty minutes.
Speaker 2: But they are a better side they were last year,
Speaker 2: but have to games no otherwise.
Speaker 4: But it's a gradual process, right and they won the
Speaker 4: Wooden Spoon last year and the year before, so it's
Speaker 4: not going to happen over No, I don't know what
Speaker 4: people thought off the one played well during the season,
Speaker 4: that's something they were going to be.
Speaker 2: I think people I would have thought they would have
Speaker 2: won more games.
Speaker 3: Well, they'll probably end up hopefully at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, the end more than last year.
Speaker 4: Well, the way they go at the moment, they are
Speaker 4: But so what would that say, Well, that would say
Speaker 4: that they've improved and.
Speaker 1: Mate, they've got with all due respect, have you seen
Speaker 1: that South like the Dragons can't beat South and.
Speaker 2: You've got a funny one one game Brandy Alexander tipped
Speaker 2: South to Boat Saints.
Speaker 3: Did you said about.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Brandy has been in Japan for
Speaker 2: the last few weeks. He went and got ship of
Speaker 2: Psyche for South. It was over there.
Speaker 4: I think I think the criticism of Toy is a
Speaker 4: bit off the mark. I think it's a bit harsh.
Speaker 4: They haven't got better from last year.
Speaker 5: I think it's I don't think it's over.
Speaker 1: I think that there's criticisms warranted of where they're going,
Speaker 1: But I don't think where they're going, of where they're
Speaker 1: at at the moment.
Speaker 2: Rights kicks that goal. They have got one win on
Speaker 2: the board have lost one game and that was it.
Speaker 2: They played like he didn't like. The criticism is warranted,
Speaker 2: but I don't think they're going anywhere near as bad
Speaker 2: as they happened the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: And Rich has just got his feet under the table.
Speaker 3: Benji is going to do with the witch's hats out
Speaker 3: on the foot field. He's changed the changing the ross
Speaker 3: to day. It's a process. Let's talk about the process.
Speaker 4: Give him some time. He's been there two seconds. Give
Speaker 4: him some time.
Speaker 3: Benji's only been the head coach, and he was there
Speaker 3: last year and he probably was probably was coaching the side.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting somewhere in between here of your criticism and
Speaker 2: your optimism. I think there's a middle ground.
Speaker 3: I'm not who've got the few of the pragmat I'm not.
Speaker 2: As critical as that, but I think I'm not a
Speaker 2: misstic that they've turned the corner yet.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they've turned the corner. I'm saying they're better,
Speaker 4: and give them time. It takes time.
Speaker 3: When you've been where they are doing four a decade,
Speaker 3: you can't expect overnight success. It will take time.
Speaker 2: So what about this weekend against the Newcastle.
Speaker 3: Night, Well tip them be about tipicate as well the Nights.
Speaker 5: If the Nights win, that's huge.
Speaker 1: Three from three without huge, and if they can somehow
Speaker 1: get in a position that they're competing for a top
Speaker 1: eighth spot when Kalen gets back in what ten weeks time.
Speaker 3: I think their goal, my understanding was the goal was
Speaker 3: to win it. If they thought if they could.
Speaker 4: Win five of those ten games and then Carlyn comes
Speaker 4: back to be pass make the three already three to
Speaker 4: three unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Ever, men, you just touched on Richo just having a
Speaker 2: major influence in turning that club around. The big biggest
Speaker 2: question of all is Sefano.
Speaker 3: Sense the process though Stefano, that's the biggest question.
Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be like when once that story
Speaker 2: hits on what he does. That will provide a lot
Speaker 2: of clarity around that rockster.
Speaker 4: I reckon their rank out sorry is to keep him
Speaker 4: at the moment rank out side. I don't think as
Speaker 4: it stands right now, the Stefano will be there next Well,
Speaker 4: he might be there next year because of the clause.
Speaker 4: If he is there next year, I don't think you'll
Speaker 4: be there the year after. Yeah, I agree with that,
Speaker 4: unless there's a dramatic change in some way.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there an indication that they're going to put a
Speaker 2: long term dealt Yes, yes, but that still may not
Speaker 2: be because you would think that if he's available to
Speaker 2: talk to other clubs rival clubs, is still going to
Speaker 2: put a long term deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: Just one of the clubs he was linked with was Penrith, obviously,
Speaker 4: but if they signed Dave for feed, he can put
Speaker 4: a line through Penrith, But then maybe the gold cust
Speaker 4: centers the equations.
Speaker 2: So I just think that'll give us a great indication
Speaker 2: on the trajectory of the tiger, if one of the great.
Speaker 4: So I don't know that it will Dave, because I
Speaker 4: think Stefano's mind was made up a long time before.
Speaker 4: It's been made up for a while. Clauses in Yes,
Speaker 4: I don't think Stefano. I don't think.
Speaker 3: Look, if they convincing to stay, it's a great endorsement
Speaker 3: for the carbon. But in my mind, well from what
Speaker 3: the way I understand it, it doesn't matter. I think
Speaker 3: Stefano wants to look elsewhere.
Speaker 2: So surely if you were if that was the case
Speaker 2: six months ago this time last year, when things were
Speaker 2: SHAMBOI and Benji's come in and you're happy your your
Speaker 2: mind could change.
Speaker 4: I think, well, I don't think it would take a
Speaker 4: significant shift for the mind to change.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think there's been a significant shift.
Speaker 4: I think there's been a shift, a positive shift, but
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's enough.
Speaker 2: They have signed, and Louiu.
Speaker 3: Was a good signing for them. They snuck under the
Speaker 3: guard of the dragons and.
Speaker 4: Whoever else was in for him to signing was another
Speaker 4: positive signs an upwards but.
Speaker 5: Pod question Chris wants.
Speaker 1: Sousini recruitment targets Cody, Walker and Cook move on early
Speaker 1: due to high price tag and future succession planned. Can't
Speaker 1: see Bennett keeping a thirty four and thirty two year
Speaker 1: old for three years. Well, I don't think they'll be
Speaker 1: keeping him for three years. They're both contracted for a
Speaker 1: further twelve months. I'd be shocked if Wayne moves Cody on.
Speaker 1: I don't think that will happen.
Speaker 3: I think I don't think they'll resigning though.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll resigning, but he'll become a year
Speaker 1: by year proposition. I guess if Wayne gets in there
Speaker 1: and how whatever, the coach just gets in there and
Speaker 1: has a look, and Damien cooks an interesting one.
Speaker 5: I think he wants to retire Rabbit.
Speaker 1: I think they've spoken about a transition post football of
Speaker 1: staying at the club and working in a role there
Speaker 1: that what does that mean if he goes elsewhere.
Speaker 2: For twelve months or twenty four months?
Speaker 1: How do you balance that You're you know, a guaranteed
Speaker 1: job post footy to extend your NRL career elsewhere for
Speaker 1: twelve months.
Speaker 5: That's where it gets tricky. Look, I think if Damien.
Speaker 2: Cook hit the market, someone would sign him for twelve
Speaker 2: months or because they's just because there's just no there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of hook as anything like the Dragons.
Speaker 2: I'd say I hadn't spoken to any one there, but
Speaker 2: you'd assume that if he hit the open market as
Speaker 2: a stopgap solution, they might look at him.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure other clubs would as well.
Speaker 3: You haven't spoken to anyone there. You're their pseudo recruitment.
Speaker 5: Stave's job now, not about not about Damian Cook?
Speaker 3: Who about them?
Speaker 2: I think? I think to Chris who.
Speaker 3: He's got something?
Speaker 5: I don't have anything.
Speaker 2: I don't have anything to Chris's question in relation to
Speaker 2: South Sydney recruitment targets. It all comes down to Wayne Bennett.
Speaker 2: And I spoke to someone very close to Wayne this
Speaker 2: week and I asked if Wayne had had to look
Speaker 2: at the South Sidney salary cap as yet, because once
Speaker 2: Wayne looks at the South Sidney salary cap I think
Speaker 2: he's in for a few super I think he's getting
Speaker 2: in for a few surprises. And that is when we'll
Speaker 2: see some some tapping on the shoulders, some phone calls
Speaker 2: to managers of current players and say listen, if you
Speaker 2: feel like you can get another deal for your player,
Speaker 2: we suggest you do. And I think that will happen,
Speaker 2: and then we'll see target wise recruitment, see who Wayn
Speaker 2: can bring in. I don't know who that is at
Speaker 2: this point in time.
Speaker 1: Peter wants to know, is it hard to writing negative
Speaker 1: stories about players and coaches that you really like?
Speaker 3: Horrible? Horrible? And Brad's an example.
Speaker 4: I really like Brad, Brad Arthur, but I've written written
Speaker 4: a couple of stories that insteader a couple of things
Speaker 4: I'm sure Brad doesn't like.
Speaker 3: It's horrible, but it's part of that job. Job someone.
Speaker 4: We've got to tell you some hard truth and have
Speaker 4: an opinion.
Speaker 2: We all like JD. I don't think anyone that doesn't
Speaker 2: like j D. But we're all of the.
Speaker 1: We're all of the decision, Like I was comfortable with
Speaker 1: the decision for JD to be moved on at Souse. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a prime example where we're all saying the fact
Speaker 1: that you know JD's time is done despite the fact.
Speaker 4: Of manage was one manage is a classic example. You're
Speaker 4: right about Madge in the future declared, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think the subject has an issue so long as
Speaker 2: you're not over inflating or over dramatizing or making a
Speaker 2: personal situation. Well, if you if you report, if you're
Speaker 2: reporting actually on what is happening at the footy club,
Speaker 2: what are the results, what's the impact? What behind the
Speaker 2: scenes decisions are being made around there. We're using a
Speaker 2: head coach as an example. I don't they can't. They
Speaker 2: can't be too disenchanted with your style of reporting because
Speaker 2: you're only reporting fact. If a player has a missed
Speaker 2: the matter off the field, we report fact. If it's
Speaker 2: involved in the police charges, we report police charges. The
Speaker 2: subject cannot have an opportunity to complain about that style
Speaker 2: of reporting. It's when it becomes personal and all.
Speaker 4: It's when you wait into opinion as well. I mean
Speaker 4: sometimes we write comment pieces that again, that was the
Speaker 4: class of example. Manage was a classic example where you
Speaker 4: asked your opinion of whether he should still be coaching.
Speaker 4: I mean at the time, I think I was saying that,
Speaker 4: you know, either him or Luke Brooks has to go,
Speaker 4: one of them has to go to resolve it, and
Speaker 4: Manage didn't like it.
Speaker 2: When the end, You're right, Lieutenant wants to know if
Speaker 2: they've isn't it less than one hundred and fifty thousand?
Speaker 1: Then does this impact other second rollers value in the
Speaker 1: market if they're asking for the same money and are
Speaker 1: the same ability.
Speaker 5: So if David Feeda resets the.
Speaker 1: Market value of a gun back roller at eight hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand, does that have a flowing effect for
Speaker 1: Jaden Sawer Angus Crichton.
Speaker 4: No, I mean he's already reset the market. It's taking
Speaker 4: a play cut to go there.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they're saying though. If he's worth eight
Speaker 2: fifty does that mean Angus Crichton's.
Speaker 3: Well, they say it's less. That's what I'm assuming.
Speaker 1: Does that does that impact the market for someone like
Speaker 1: Jaden Are or Angus Crichton, I'd say no, because those
Speaker 1: discussions are probably.
Speaker 4: Scarcity effects that that that impacts the impacts there they
Speaker 4: the lack of available back rollers who are out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Jayden's value has sort of gone
Speaker 4: up a little bit. You know, he's obviously held out
Speaker 4: the initial contract offer from the Dragons, played good footy,
Speaker 4: and I think what's impacted his value is that there's
Speaker 4: not a lot of second.
Speaker 3: Rowers out there. Not a lot of edge back rollers
Speaker 3: played good.
Speaker 5: Football at the moment. If you're looking for about middle
Speaker 5: impacted the development of players, it's just not.
Speaker 3: A lot out there. Expansion was well a little bit.
Speaker 2: Archie wants to know who should play half back for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys moving forward, Chad Townsend or Jake Clifford moving forward,
Speaker 2: where though, when I'm assuming this season the season, I'd
Speaker 2: stick with Chad and then if.
Speaker 5: It's not this season, Chad's.
Speaker 2: Contracts done and the restimated experienced staff back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think Chad for the time being
Speaker 4: and in the end of the season, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the systems like off contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chap wants to go around again next year.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I'm not sure whether I go
Speaker 4: around with chat again next year. It's particularly if they
Speaker 4: underperform this year. I agree they've got to shake it.
Speaker 3: Up those things.
Speaker 1: I stick with Chad at the moment, and then if
Speaker 1: he can't guide them into the finals again, decision will
Speaker 1: be made before then, obviously, but if they're not pushing
Speaker 1: for a final spot, then it's time to move on.
Speaker 1: I stay with me here, Scott Scott Scott thoughts on
Speaker 1: my bunk or solution. They only get three views at
Speaker 1: normal speed if they can't see an obvious error. The
Speaker 1: ref decision stands speeds up, the process still eliminates the
Speaker 1: how that stops the nitpicking game isn't played slow mate,
Speaker 1: so it shouldn't be repped that way either.
Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, Scotty, do you need slow mo I
Speaker 2: get where you're coming from. The you know the slow
Speaker 2: mote twenty seven times? I don't like. However, when you're
Speaker 2: when you're assessing a grounding of a football, can we
Speaker 2: just put a caveat that? The happy chorus ow Troy
Speaker 2: isn't part of this discussion? That was a hour When
Speaker 2: you are assessing a grounding of a footy. You have
Speaker 2: to be able to assess separation in slow you have to.
Speaker 5: And I don't like capping.
Speaker 2: People say I don't like capp in the replace What
Speaker 2: if you need a focebook at it to get it right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. Do you know what I mean? Like it's
Speaker 2: people want to put a time frame on it.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that. I don't think you can do that.
Speaker 1: Another one around the bunker. This was an email from Matt.
Speaker 1: In rugby union, at the moment, the on field officials
Speaker 1: and television and match official is that a team work
Speaker 1: together for the initial decision, with the on field wrap
Speaker 1: often leading the discussion as they're the ones who need
Speaker 1: to justify it with the players on the field. Decisions
Speaker 1: that are on the field that are yellow red border
Speaker 1: are yellow card and then the bunker has seven minutes
Speaker 1: to review.
Speaker 2: Confused.
Speaker 5: In rugby union, this is the match official.
Speaker 2: What do they do? They communicate with the bunker and talk.
Speaker 2: Can I give you some advice? Can we not try
Speaker 2: and replicate anything to do with rugby union?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How about we just get the people in the
Speaker 3: bunker to do a better job.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, the technology is not the issue never has been.
Speaker 4: How do people say, blow out the bunker? The issue
Speaker 4: is in the bunker, draws me inside.
Speaker 2: I probably got you in the podcast, just getting people
Speaker 2: to do a better job.
Speaker 4: Thanks man, buddy, thank The issue is instinct that the
Speaker 4: people are bunker to do a better job.
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick a roast chicken in the oven to.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Just you could go the whole vegetables and all that
Speaker 2: jad potatoes, carrots, pumpkin, right, However, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do that. This is I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep roast chi simple and maybe
Speaker 2: some lemones for flat bread and make some chicken wraps of.
Speaker 4: Make a suggestion in your chicken, your stuff with a lemon, lemon,
Speaker 4: garlic and what do you call it? I actually I
Speaker 4: didn't give a lot of thought. I won't have chicken
Speaker 4: that chicken. I'm thinking maybe something on the road history
Speaker 4: on the web.
Speaker 5: It's raining.
Speaker 3: It's on the cover, mate, it's on the decks, on
Speaker 3: the deck. You don't even thinking about getting.
Speaker 4: Those Weber barbecue outside, buying a pizza pizza oven to
Speaker 4: go with it.
Speaker 2: Have you got any rock box?
Speaker 5: Does it?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 3: Listen, it's actually the one you sent me.
Speaker 2: Gos rock box is the greatest invention, greatest pizza raven
Speaker 2: you will ever ever get. You make your own d Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's a wood you get the wood fire crisp edges,
Speaker 2: right because it's it's a flame, it's a rolling flame. Right,
Speaker 2: and you cook pizzas in two minutes.
Speaker 3: Could I put that on my deck or to be
Speaker 3: a fire hazard?
Speaker 2: No, I've got mine on my deck.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to buy you did send me to
Speaker 4: me reviewed it and the reviews were amazing. But there's
Speaker 4: one issue. I haven't nailed my pizza basis. So your
Speaker 4: pace for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get that all right.
Speaker 5: Thanks everyone for joining. Grabbing chicken pesto pasta.
Speaker 2: I think, well.
Speaker 3: He's he hate pesto.
Speaker 5: Two fussiest seeds that I've ever encountered.
Speaker 4: Can't tell quick pesto story, the quick one my dad.
Speaker 4: My dad come down to visit. He said, I'm going
Speaker 4: to cook your meals. I'm going to cook salmon for
Speaker 4: you. You coated and pesto ruined.
Speaker 2: This says