1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: We played the door. 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to l three sixty reve League from every angle, 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: brought to you by NIV joining me again the great 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: Gordon tallis this win the generator straight. 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: In buzzer field mate and James Hooper. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: What about the return of Nathan Cleary golden point forty 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: two meters out. He nails it for the victory against 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: the Dolphins. He's back and back in a big way. 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: Gordon. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we had a long stin on the sideline. 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 5: He was a little bit clumsy I thought for a 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 5: part of them, especially the first half, but as the 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 5: game got on he certainly warmed into it. He missed 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 5: the field gold earlier and then he just nailed that 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 5: forty five meters both. 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 6: You know what that feels like Kyle's hands pretty good? 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, up the Grand Final last year, I said, one 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 7: day down the track, we'll talk about this guy like 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 7: Johnson Thurston. That's how good he is these clutch moment plays. 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 7: No one in rugby league does them better. Remember that 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 7: field goal at Parramatta last year, forty five meters. He's 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 7: magnificent player. 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question he is the best clutch player 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: in the game at the moment. Nathan admitted himself that 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: he made some mistakes defensively early on in the game, 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: and to your point, good, he was a little clumsy, 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: but when it mattered in that final fifteen minutes, he 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: just drove the Panthers. 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: It was like the green Fine. You know, it is 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: his first game back, and you're right. He owned a 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: few defensive deficiencies there in that first half. Especially Katowa 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: burn him and so did Hamas as well. But when 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: the game's on the line, that's when you want your 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: big men to stand up, and Nathan just does that. 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 5: Talking about the game on the line, Katoa had a 36 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 5: chance Oka that was within two minutes to go that 37 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 5: a player in the sin bed and he had the 38 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 5: perfect chance for a field goal. 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 6: He went didn't. 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: Watching the game was sublime, like his performance was spectacular, 41 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Like I thought he was squaring the defense up, he 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: caught clear out a few times. Apart from this moment here, 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: his game was one of his best. But I just 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: I couldn't get my head around it. I don't know 45 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: what was going through his head there. But you know what, 46 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: he's at that age where he's well beyond his years 47 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: in his performances and he'll learn from this. I still 48 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: don't understand why he didn't take the shot, and I 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: can't even it's. 50 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: Just inexperiences and break the fact that, like you think 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: how many times Nathan's been in these golden point scenarios, 52 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: he knows exactly as. 53 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: A kid you even wanted to keep going up, he 54 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: would have nailed those field goals time and time again. 55 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: Like he's a class player. 56 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: Yes, he speaks well, he's very well educated. 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: It was just a moment, you know, It's just one 58 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: of those moments. 59 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: It was a bit of a shame for him because 60 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: he was so good that he was so good, But 61 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: we can't hammer him too much because it was the 62 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: ice man Nathan Cleary who delivered. Now let's move on 63 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: to the Roosters and their premiership credentials. Are they being 64 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: questioned now after this loss yet again to the Melbourne Storm. Now, 65 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: the Roosters have been flying and we've been talking about 66 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: how they are the real deal and they are premiership content, 67 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: But with a performance like this again against the top liner, 68 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: you start to ask those questions, really are they. 69 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit old school breath often think statistics 70 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: are like matches. They can be dangerous in the wrong hands, 71 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: but in this instance they absolutely paint the picture and 72 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: tell the story. The Roosters have won one game from 73 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: eight against the current top eight sides this season. That 74 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: was when they beat Canterbury Banks Down earlier in the 75 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: year and against the Melbourne Storm and Penrith. They are 76 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: their absolute kryptonite. They're one from twenty, as that number 77 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: on the left hand side of the screen show. 78 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: I mean, look at these stats here, but this is incredible. 79 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: One from twenty since twenty twenty against the Panthers and 80 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: the Storm. Now even this year, which surprised me when 81 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: you look at the stats. They've only won one from 82 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: eight games against any of the teams right now currently 83 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: in the top eight. 84 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: Now, that doesn't bode too well for them. 85 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 5: No, and then in the last month, I thought they've 86 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 5: had a real powerful month and you know the emotional 87 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: of Jared retiring and Manu and all those man I'm 88 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: thinking they're a dark horse now in the competition, but 89 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 5: those stats are alarming. 90 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 3: I think they're a heavyweight. 91 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: I think I think that they're top four side. 92 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 6: They should be. 93 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 7: Look on paper, they should be and it's not a jinx. 94 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 7: They just turn up against these top sides and what 95 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 7: one in twenty Over a long period of time, I've 96 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 7: looked at the coaching help that Robbo has had. He's 97 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 7: had four NRL coaches assistants, Adam O'Brien, Jason Ryles, Justin Holbrook, 98 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 7: Craig fitz gibbon, and they've all been there for this 99 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 7: one from twenty. So it's really hard, you know, to 100 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 7: work out with the roster they've got why they can't 101 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 7: dismantle these good sides Because those assistants, I said, they're 102 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 7: sharp people. You know they should be able to but 103 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 7: they should be able to break down these teams. 104 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: It's a hard one to understand that they're going to 105 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: probably be right a few of the top eight teams 106 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: I believe, heading into the finals. But when they get there, 107 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: they're going to either take on Melbourne or Penrith. 108 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: Can they turn this around? Can we see them? 109 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: They weren't even close in the weekend, let's be fair, 110 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: and they weren't even close to beating Melbourne. 111 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: And Melbourne are going to get better? Is going to 112 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: come back in? I think they can. 113 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 5: I think the Roosters are one of the heavyweights and 114 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 5: I think the emotional part to the end when Jared 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 5: and all those guys get together and it's the one 116 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: last who are because they're certainly not going to be 117 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 5: the same side next year. 118 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: I think they can do it, but the risk is 119 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: they don't get another opportunity now before September, so we're 120 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: not going to know the answer until the big games 121 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: and the finals arrive. There's enough talent on that roster, 122 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: they're all Discipline has consistently hurt them, not just this 123 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: year but over the course the last three and four seasons. 124 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: They're the most penalized team in the COP. But look, 125 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: Trent Robinson has got the runs on the board and 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: he's got to find the answers. 127 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 7: It's very easy to say Gordy hargrozmano back great players, 128 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 7: key players, but Melbourne got months to say for Solomon 129 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 7: Walsh to come back, so that was under strength. 130 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 6: As the trucks were. I thought the trucks might have been. 131 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 7: They had a lot of origin boys backing up four 132 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 7: or five, hadn't paid for a long period of time and. 133 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: If you know what buzz that would usually be an 134 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: excuse until you look at the record. If they didn't 135 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: have that record, that's what we're saying right, but because 136 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: of the records so bad, it's like, well, is it 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: actually in their heads? 138 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 7: Now we're going to find out Super Saturday, they play Manly. 139 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 7: Manly been going enormous right, as you point out, they've 140 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 7: only beat one top eight side. They're one point behind. 141 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 7: This will to determine the top four this game. And 142 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 7: if the Chucks, I tell you, I was a bit 143 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 7: disappointed in their halves the other day Walker and Keary 144 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 7: I thought they were outplayed by the Storm boys. 145 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Storm because they deserve some credit here. 146 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: They're four points ahead of Penrith at the top of 147 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: the ladder. You look at some of the players, like 148 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: how was struggling there for a couple of years. He 149 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: was outstanding on the weekend Anderson we sha't king was outstanding, 150 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: Meaning that these. 151 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: Are guys at Blaw. 152 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: These are guys that other clubs had question marks over 153 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: or who weren't sure that they wanted to take them 154 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 2: or have them on their roster. 155 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: But not only are they playing good, these guys are 156 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: playing great. 157 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: And really, if you look at this squad at the 158 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: start of the year, no, I wouldn't believe anyone. 159 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: Would have had them where they are right now. 160 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: Craig Bellamy and the system that he has in place 161 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: of genius a genius. 162 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 5: And then they wanted to make a statement. We spoke 163 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 5: to Papenhausen. This was a game that they marked off 164 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 5: and it was the first time they're going to play 165 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 5: a heavyweight and they wanted to put a shot over 166 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 5: the competition. And every time you rock Melbourne off and 167 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 5: we've all done it because of the players that they 168 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: have let go in the past and the players that 169 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 5: they have injured, and I don't carry them as I 170 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 5: hadn't have in the past. 171 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: Yet they're on top of the table. 172 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 7: And you guys talk about Craig Beller, Okay, maybe best 173 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 7: rugby league coach certainly most consistent to staying success for 174 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 7: twenty two years. Yes, I defy you to name anyone 175 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 7: in AFL soccer at rugby union who has had more results. 176 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 6: I think he's the best coach in any cod. 177 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: Who coach the Dragons in the sixties. 178 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 5: That's oh well, with no sound and yeah, he's done 179 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: an amazing job. An I was lucky enough to have 180 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 5: Craig at Brisbane and he was a trainer at the 181 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 5: time and he was cutting these teeth, but he just 182 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 5: knew how hard he worked. 183 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: I think the most impressive thing about the Melbourne Storm, 184 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily a new narrative, is to your point, breath, 185 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: those players that go there and Craig Vellamy, Frank Paronissi, 186 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: all the other assistant coaches, they helped them and develop 187 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: them to become better players. And we thought when Cameron 188 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: Smith retired that probably the window at some point was 189 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: going to have to close. We thought that when Cooper 190 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: Kronk left and went to the Roosters. We thought that 191 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: when Billy Slater retired, but just consistently every year. I 192 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: think this year is more impressive than any other year 193 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: considering the players that they are missing. They're still missing 194 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: their best player in Cameron Munster. 195 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 5: I like the yeah Los losen the experience they did, 196 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: and therefore we're packed with the bromiches that left you 197 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 5: and Cafusi on the edge of those young guys got 198 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: a chance I reckon a year or two before. 199 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 7: So to have that turning thing is guys, we wrapped 200 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 7: Peter O'Sullivan as the best recruitment guy. I built the 201 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 7: Dolphins with Wayne. There's Paul Bunn, who's based in Melbourne, 202 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 7: been there for a long, long period of time. He 203 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 7: has misster recruitment. I rang Frank Pernici the other day 204 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 7: to give you an idea and I said, you talked 205 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 7: miss Stefan Toka Marne. He said, mate, I'll have to 206 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 7: check with Bunny like he handles it all and then 207 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 7: pass it over to belly Ach at the end. 208 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: He's job, he really is. He's doing a great job 209 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: of your right bus. 210 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: Now Gutho has been dethroned as the captain of the 211 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: Paramount of Eels, can you give us some information on 212 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: this bus. 213 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 7: Well, there's a major overhaul about to be undertaken at 214 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 7: the Eels with Jason Ryles coming in who has already 215 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 7: announced that Trent he's moving on as an assistant coach 216 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 7: and he's going to start fresh with his own guys. 217 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 7: I spoke to him last night. Not sure who it's 218 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 7: going to be. But with Gutherson, he wouldn't talk to 219 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 7: me about Clint Guthereson. But the manner in which Mitchell 220 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 7: Moses has grown this year in the State of Origin Arena. 221 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 7: When you think about the new Southals Captain Jake went 222 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 7: off after twenty minutes in both games. He ran the 223 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 7: football side match and there was a feeling at Paramatta 224 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 7: while a decision has not been made, not just a 225 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 7: new coach. Let's give Mitchell Moses the reins now. Gutho 226 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 7: has been there since twenty eighteen, took over from Timmy 227 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 7: Manor right, tried his heart out every single time. But 228 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 7: I think they do have leadership issues and I think 229 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 7: you'll see Mitchell Moses with the scene next year. 230 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 5: I think Gutho's been fantastic for him when you've watched 231 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 5: Paws matter in the past, but he's just The sad 232 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 5: part is he's lost his speed, He's lost that punch, 233 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 5: you know, like guthe is a high energy, super fit 234 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 5: was you know, it was always bouncing around a bit 235 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 5: like a Pappenhausen style of player on Tedesco like. 236 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: But to me, it. 237 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: Just makes sense. 238 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 6: It's time doesn't come. 239 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't come without a little bit of a risk factor. Though, 240 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: because he's been the captain for a long time, he's 241 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: highly popular amongst the playing group. Yes, he's only got 242 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: twelve months to go, but we've seen many players over 243 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: the years break where coaches decide that they're going to 244 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: go in a different direction with captains, and sometimes it 245 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: can put those of job. 246 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. But it just becomes a 247 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: time when I suppose a boy becomes a man, and 248 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: Moses in this Origin series has turned into a man. 249 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 2: So with more responsibility, Mitch then owns the team and 250 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: you could see that in Origin that brought the best 251 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: out of him. And it's just there's just a time where, unfortunately, 252 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: you've got to make decisions, and with a new coach 253 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: coming in and heading in a new direction, you would 254 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: think this is I think a good, good call. No 255 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: disrespect to Gotho, he's done a great job, but I 256 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: don't see it. 257 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: As a big deal. 258 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 6: Gothos knows certainly to play fullback next year. 259 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 7: You know, he might move to the Santus, but he's 260 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 7: already twenty nine years of age. 261 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 5: And then and I think that's the part where Gutho's 262 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: been really good because even a month ago, I guess, no, 263 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 5: I'm happy to do whatever the team needs me to do. 264 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 5: So I think he's mature enough that he doesn't need 265 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 5: to see beside his name. 266 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: You mentioned Barrett there, Buzz, so Rosey's not going to 267 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: keep Trent barret on there at the class. Who's he 268 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: Who's he going to bring it? 269 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 7: And I feel a bit sorry for bars I was 270 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 7: talking to someone at Power today. Mitchell Moses had surgery today. 271 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 7: They've got forty percent of their cap out, so he's 272 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 7: really battling away under strength. I don't know who he's 273 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 7: going to bring and he's trying to deal with Melbourne 274 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 7: Storm where he won't try and poach any of their coaches. 275 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 6: Hoops. 276 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 7: I'm not sure who's around or you know, does he 277 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 7: bring someone home from England? 278 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 6: But rise w get it right, But. 279 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 5: You would think his connection from the Saint George la Warrior, 280 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 5: so you'd be young and Ben Hornby wouldn't you? 281 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: Well? 282 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: But doing young he signed with the Dragons. 283 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point. 284 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: And Hornby signed with Souths and we'll want to continue 285 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: his development under Gregor. 286 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it is. 287 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: It's impossible to understate the magnitude of the job that 288 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: Jason Roles is walking into personally, given the situation at 289 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: that club at the moment, with the roster, the way 290 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: that it is, the way that some of the big 291 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: name players are on huge money deals. I think there's 292 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: an element of a poisoned chalice there. They can't really 293 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: do anything in the market until twenty twenty six. They're 294 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: trying to shop players like Bryce cart Right, Sean Lane, 295 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: Ryan Madison, but who are they going to replace them 296 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: with because there's not that much out there at the moment. 297 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: So I wish Rosie all the best. 298 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: I really hope that he has success there, but it's 299 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: a big, big job. 300 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: I mentioned too last week Mitch Moses has got clauses 301 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 2: in his contract. 302 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: Is that right? Can you talk the under clauses? This 303 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: is is more with the key playmaking Mitch yep. 304 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: So this is another ridiculous deal that Eel's management have 305 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: ticked off on. So last year they trumpeted the fact 306 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: that Mitchell had agreed to a five year extension with 307 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: the club. It's not a five year extension. It's a 308 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: three year extension for twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty eight. 309 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: He has player options in his favor, which means that 310 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: the bloke who is just one of the best for 311 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: New South Wales in the State of Origin series, if 312 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: things all do term pair shaped at paramatter and it 313 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: isn't going well and they're not playing in the finals. Well, 314 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: if he wants to, he can get out. 315 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 7: Can I suggest here that I think Paramatta need a 316 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 7: wire to clear out. And we got a new coach 317 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 7: come in. We look like we're going to get a 318 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 7: new captain. What about a football manager, hoops, who is 319 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 7: allowing these outrageous contracts to be signed? 320 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: Well, Marc O'Neil's a general manager of football there, and 321 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: I think. 322 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, but the chairman keeps telling me is the Frank 323 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 7: Ponisia the West, you know, which is ridiculous. 324 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: I like Buckets, but I wouldn't be going that far. 325 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Frank's got runs. 326 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 6: On the board mistakes. 327 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well we've all done that. 328 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time, look, I think they probably 329 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: are to your point about a cleanout. I think Jason 330 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Rowles is looking to put a complete broom through the 331 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: place in terms of the support stuff. But I don't 332 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: think Buckets will be touched because at the moment the 333 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: chairman and the CEO rely on him for everything in 334 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: relation to any of the NROL decisions. 335 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 7: Well, they haven't done very well this year, as you know, 336 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 7: and they've made a lot of recruitment blunders and I 337 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 7: think they need to be looking at that area. 338 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 6: Of the football club. 339 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: That's fair from one club struggling to another. 340 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: The Newcastle Knights, what's happening with them and Adam O'Brien, Well. 341 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 7: It's of course over the weekend after their loss to 342 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 7: how they get beaten by the Broncos and the week 343 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 7: before they're beaten by Manly they've conceded seventy four points. 344 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 7: Now behind the scenes, the new recruitment guy, Peter O'Sullivan's 345 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 7: tapping players on the shoulder and saying look and try you. 346 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 6: Uck somewhere else. 347 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 7: What this has done, it's formed a disgruntled player group 348 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 7: and I don't think they're putting into the best of 349 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 7: their ability from what I've seen in recent weeks. And 350 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 7: the players, well with the players i'm told have turned 351 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 7: on the coach a little bit out of O'Brien that 352 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 7: he hasn't had more to say in the recruitment area. 353 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: But didn't they buy Peter Park with all that experience 354 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 4: years ago. 355 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 7: Peter par is running the fully club and Peter O'Sullivan's 356 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 7: doing retention and recruitment. But if you go to any 357 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 7: organization you're still alive in the finals two weeks ago, 358 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 7: you tap half a dozen players and say, look, we're 359 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 7: not sure we got it's not and you know what 360 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 7: they do. 361 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: A lot of those players are seen players too. 362 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 6: And then they blame the coach. 363 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 7: And I'm not for one minute suggesting Adam O'Brien's jobs 364 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 7: under pressure. What I am saying is the dressing rooms 365 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 7: a little bit off him at the moment. 366 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 4: Were those players getting the job done? In your opinion? 367 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 7: Up until two weeks ago, they're in the finals race. 368 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 7: The last two weeks would indicate no, they won't play 369 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 7: finals this year, so they haven't got the job done. 370 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: So you think that's going natural. 371 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 7: Gordy, Any employee in any business, if the boss comes 372 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 7: up to you and says we don't want you next year, 373 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 7: how are you going to feel? 374 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: They're in a jam. 375 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: They buzz because the club management decided last year to 376 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: give Adam O'Brien a three year extension. So even if 377 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: there are rumblings in the dressing room and there are 378 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: some players to scrundled, it's going to be a hard line. 379 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: Decision for them. 380 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing I find interesting, until they went 381 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: on the ten game streak last year, they were still 382 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: talking to other coaches about coming in for this year. 383 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: When they'd won the opening three games of that ten 384 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: game streak. They met with Madge Maguire, they met with 385 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: Des Hasler, they met with Justin Holbrook. Ultimately, the run 386 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: that they went on in Kaylen Ponger's dally M Metal 387 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: form saved Adam O'Brien's job and got him another three seasons. 388 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: But you can't hide from some of the recruitment calls 389 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: they made, Like Mitch Barnett has left there and is 390 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: now playing State of Origin. Connor Watson's in the same boat. 391 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: Jacob Kiraz has gone to the Bulldogs, absolutely flying, one 392 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: of the most consistent wingers in the competition, dom young 393 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: and international. 394 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 7: They let Metell peterce Go a year early over to 395 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 7: France as well. You know, it's concerning that they don't 396 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 7: look like they're playing for Adam, do they. 397 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 5: But that's where you've got to move those players on. 398 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 5: And if it was Wayne Bennett moving the players. 399 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 7: On eight hundred, right, good front Ralph former State player St. 400 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 7: George might take him, but they'll give him five. So 401 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 7: new Cars had to throw in three, but then they 402 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 7: have to find another front. Rolly play, very very messy 403 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 7: up there. 404 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: The other thing I find stranger up. There is leadership group, 405 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: so they've got it. They had an eight player leadership group, 406 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: which seems a hell of a lot of players for 407 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: a leadership group to meet. Well, today it's been extended 408 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: to ten. They've added another couple of players the whole. 409 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a thirty a roster, its. 410 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 4: Thirty top thirty series. 411 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: Another thing is that of that leadership group, three of 412 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: those players have now been tapped on the shoulder, so 413 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: to Buzzes point from earlier, you can see why there 414 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: are starting to be some rumblings out of the joint 415 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: because of the center. 416 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 3: That does sound like a mess. 417 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 7: And they're playing like a brace seventy four points two 418 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 7: games a team in contention for the finals. 419 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 3: It's only sort of happened the last few weeks, haven't 420 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: it really? 421 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that before, Gordio, A ten 422 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: player leadership group. 423 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: I think we had four for yeah, no, no, not 424 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 5: only it was it was I think it was Laso, 425 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 5: Kevy Alfham, Steve Renouf and then it just moved. 426 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 427 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 5: So it's got to be your top line players, the 428 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 5: guys that get the job done every week, because they're 429 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 5: the ones that. 430 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: Help it would be hard to have a leadership group with 431 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: god tens ridiculous. But if if three of them are 432 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: got the tap genuine talk about the team. There's only 433 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: ever one leader. There's only one person that you follow on, 434 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 2: one person you listen to on. 435 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 6: The again, who do you blame for this? 436 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 7: We just spoke about the paramatter, you know, in a 437 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 7: circle and the people running their cap. Who left the 438 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 7: cap in the position like this? 439 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 6: Who did? 440 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: I don't know who did? 441 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 6: Who was their previous? 442 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: What's accommodation soup? 443 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 3: Isn't it? 444 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: Certainly Clinton Zammett? Who was Who was the boss of recruitment? 445 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 3: There wasn't he? 446 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: I think they've moved on another recruitment as well, Adam Dahle. 447 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: They're part of ways with him today. 448 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 6: There's really I'm steady up there at the moment. 449 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: Really be missed coming up now, buzz that Freddie letter 450 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: vindication that you're own last year after Origin, you feel 451 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: like you've been vindicating. 452 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 6: Look, I don't want a big note here, but but 453 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 6: you will. I tell you why. 454 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 7: I'll tell you why I am do feel indicated is 455 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 7: because I've constantly been attacked by people at Channel nine 456 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 7: saying that I only wrote that column because Bradford was 457 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 7: employed by Nine and I was filthy about it. I 458 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 7: made it clear that Freddie no one has contributed more 459 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 7: to this state in New South Wales in rugby league, 460 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 7: on and. 461 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: Off the field, most player. 462 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 6: But we'd lost three series out of four. 463 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 7: I didn't see us moving forward and I asked him 464 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 7: in a letter to stand there. 465 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 6: And then the people at nine. 466 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 7: Suggested that it was a News Corp hatchet job because 467 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 7: and look it's been proven right. The New South Wales 468 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 7: Rugby League board acted on it. They bought him the 469 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 7: best man for the job in Madge. Madge was faultless 470 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 7: with the media, with the preparation, with the tactics, with everything, 471 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 7: and yeah, I do feel indicated. 472 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 6: I've written a few. You better be careful I don't 473 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 6: do what. 474 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: You probably have. 475 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 6: He've done plenty of all of us. Dear Brave bring 476 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 6: back Ben. 477 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: Yeah he's outstanding, wasn't he. 478 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Look he did such a brilliant job. I love the 479 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: way that Madge galvanized the entire state. He spoke about 480 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: this New South Wales Blues team being the people's team. 481 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: He did play some mind games with Billy in the 482 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: media in terms of his glasshouses sledge. But I just 483 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: think he's really found his sweet spot where elite teams 484 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: short camps the best players in the game. That suits 485 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: Michael McGuire's style of coaching, and I hope that the 486 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: New South Rugby League continue to have him in that 487 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: position for as long as he wants. 488 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 6: What I found with Madge is all them are. When 489 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 6: he was at South's, they. 490 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 7: Got a little bit over it, which was and then 491 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 7: he went to the West Tigers when we saw that 492 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 7: what was called he kept dropping the f bomb innut right, 493 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 7: and he got off the group was running around with 494 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 7: that baseball bat And the only thing I was worried 495 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 7: about when he how's he going to go with him 496 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 7: the baseball back. 497 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: The baseball got to start in the blues dressing, but. 498 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 6: He went from a blanket. Had a few problems. 499 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: It was same when he's got the players, when he's 500 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: got a loop players right. His issue with the Tigers 501 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: was that it was a bit of a basket case 502 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: and he was struggling to recruit good players. This the 503 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: list that he's had to pick from. 504 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 6: For the baseball bat hoops. 505 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 4: I like the baseball. 506 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: A little bit of movie pick players and we said 507 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: it from the start. He stuck so and he picked 508 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: players that are like him, you know, same sort of 509 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: mentality that he that he that he's had in the past, 510 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: that he had, the teams that he's had that are 511 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: hard workers, hard trainers, inform in, tough. 512 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 5: And he got everybody behind him, like to get all 513 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 5: the old players. I think that's really important. That's what 514 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 5: Queensland have done really well out like that we don't 515 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 5: bag outside and then all the players got behind all 516 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 5: the old guys and even like the fans walking the street, 517 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 5: like they got a voice, like then they believed it, 518 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 5: which is like, I think. 519 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: That's so ady, Well, we don't really, it's it's hard 520 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: hard to come back. 521 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: It was a little different anyway. 522 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: Hard to come back from one nil down in an 523 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: Origin series too and win a decider in some corps. 524 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: So the imagines really enhanced his credential, so. 525 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: Players in the field too. It's pretty impressive. But the 526 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: Origin schedule you still got shit with this. 527 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I am. 528 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 7: I'm going to keep backing too because there's some key 529 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 7: people in the game who go with me, like the 530 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 7: Blake Solis and Nick Politis and Frank Panesi. 531 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: Last year will believe the people that run a club 532 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 5: being selfish, being selfish? 533 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 6: Yeah do you? 534 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, well I think you'll find Peter Velandish walked out 535 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 7: of sun Coop on Munson. 536 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 5: I think, wow, how big and how good is that? 537 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 5: The highest ratings? How good was it for the game? 538 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 6: Gordon? 539 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 7: And I think you're a little bit old fashioned here 540 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 7: with respect? No, I say that with. 541 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 6: Respect, game? 542 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 4: Can I take it with good? 543 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 7: The game has changed since forty four years ago when 544 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 7: you could just you know, they were semi professional and 545 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 7: they're asked to back up on the weekend. I know 546 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 7: Carrigan stuck his hand U because he's so brave and courageous. 547 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 7: I know the rest of them did too. We shouldn't 548 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 7: be asking them to do it. That's the point. 549 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 4: Perfect. 550 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 5: So probably Arthur Beatson probably played two hundred and something games. 551 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 5: Block A Race played one hundred and eighty games. I 552 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 5: played two hundred games. They're playing four hundred. They're all 553 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 5: playing three hundred. They're playing way more games. So the 554 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 5: sports science and how they can back up and the 555 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 5: recovery players are playing way longer. They're playing seventeen years. 556 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 5: To the blokes in the bus, they can do it. 557 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 5: What you're asking there is no miracle made people run 558 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 5: forty two kilometers. 559 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 6: Well, if you don't think. 560 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 5: An a marathon runs a marathon every week sometimes to raise money. 561 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, well them, from my view is crappy. 562 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 7: For seven weeks. What is what the thirty four best 563 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 7: footballers that's taken away? That's really you tender game. You 564 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 7: buy a ticket, you buy a member ship. You want 565 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 7: to see the best players. You buy a Fox subscription, 566 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 7: you turn on channel nine. You want to see the 567 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 7: best players. They're getting ripped. 568 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: You make, you make some vallid points. 569 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 5: But what it did was it gives the Dolphins a 570 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: chance to win at penwith Park. 571 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: It gives us sides down the bottom. 572 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 6: Since the integrity of the competition's all wrong. What's the solution? 573 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 6: I shouldn't get it. 574 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: What's the solution? 575 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 6: I don't know. 576 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 7: I've suggested Monday night Origin and give them more time 577 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 7: to back up instead. 578 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 6: Of playing Wednesday. You got an extra for I don't 579 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 6: know what it is. 580 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: They're still going to miss some games. They're still going 581 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 4: to see that. 582 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 6: People have called for a summer. 583 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: To be ahead of the time. 584 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 6: I might get a start. You're a million to one 585 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 6: of them. 586 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 4: Why is that because they wanted to get across. 587 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 3: Hoops. 588 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: The journals be back following l three sixty regular Leagues. 589 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: Thirteenth Mortal Mountninga returns to his ancestral home in Vanuatu 590 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: by reflecting on his incredible career ree in a gun