WEBVTT - Outsiders | 9 February 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:11.840 This is Outside. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.640 Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders, the show that is 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.560 to the destruction of woke ideology and identity politics? 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:27.080 What President Donald J? Trump? Is too? Perfect comic timing. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:28.720 It's your president. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.240 Do you have a reaction to the new Time magazine 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.880 cover that has eeron masks sitting behind your resolute desk? 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.040 This Time magazine still in business? I don't even know that. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:52.080 Oh, it's gone from you as president to us. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.200 Well, I didn't even know what day it was. To 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.920 someone with a great sense of humor. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.560 Where are you from? 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.360 Actually it's a beautiful voice and a beautiful accent. The 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.640 only problem is I can't understand the word you're saying. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.360 But speaking of carmedy acts, it's hard to go past 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:17.440 our own Defense Minister Richard chuckles Morals speaking about his 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.280 critical meeting with Donald Trump's new Defense secretary, Pete Hegseth. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.760 We had a very warm meeting, following on from a 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.720 very warm phone call that. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:35.080 We had last week. Distracted. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.760 We had a very warm meeting following on from the 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.600 very warm phone conversation that we had last week. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:47.480 Very warm meeting. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.560 Richard Nice, work well while Richard Miles works on his 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:52.680 comic timing. 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.480 Let's grab the latest outside of. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:02:03.000 News so read and James, there was by elections down 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.920 in Victoria to tell us all about it. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:06.560 What's happening? 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.320 Well, not good news for the left. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.800 The Jacinta Allen government isn't a bit of well dis array. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.240 They have had a massive swing against them in their heartland. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.680 The seat of Werribee is a seat that would expect 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.520 to hold. They've had their primary vote go from forty 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.919 five percent to twenty eight so it's still too close 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.080 to call. They may still hold on to it, but 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.840 it will be on a knife's edge. It's clear that 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.120 the Victorian people are fed up. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.480 And then in the seat of Paran, the Greens look 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:38.800 like they're going to have a loss there. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.400 It's still again too close to call, but the Liberals 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.240 could pick up two seats out of two by elections. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.560 And how's this character the new leader doing. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.400 You're always very precise with your thoughts. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.320 Well, you would have to st judging by this these 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:56.360 two by elections. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:02.079 Is doing pretty well, certainly better than he's predece procuto, So. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:03.600 Good on him, Brad Batton. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.359 We would like him to be stronger, clearer, but it's 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:09.120 a good start. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.080 It's a solid start. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.839 I can pick up both these seats, particularly Werribee. It's 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.799 going to be very demoralizing for the Labor government down there. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.320 Weerribee is a seat they would expect to hold on to. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.280 But as we've discussed on this program over and over again, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.320 that is the Liberals' future. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.960 Those outer suburbs. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:36.000 The regional areas where everyday people leave, middle class aspirational people, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.160 working class people. That's where the Libs need to focus 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.240 at state and federal level, James. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.120 And crucially a lot of new migrants, who, of course 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.360 the Liberals are going to have to if they want 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.520 to have any chance of ongoing electoral success, bring into 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.440 their fauld so they don't just keep getting brought in 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.080 to the leading machine. It is interesting, though, I mean, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.400 what are the big issues here? Rid well, as far 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.480 as I can read from New South Wales, there were crime, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.360 which has been really interestingly rebranded in a lot of 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.440 the papers and on the left as community safety, because 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.640 people don't even want to say the word crime because 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.720 as soon as they think crime, they think you know, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.880 labor and the problems they have with that, and of 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.479 course also cost of living and you know crime is 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.359 more of a state issue. But it's that cost of 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.080 living issue, which is where I don't know that we've 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.640 quite got baseball bats out yet for Anthony Albinezi. But 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.160 I would say that if you're Labor now, you're looking 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.800 at no matter how fat your margin is from the 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.719 last election, you know that seat now has to be 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.040 treated as marginal. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.520 Federal Labor will be looking at what's happened in Werribee 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.240 and would be terrified of the swing there the primary 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.400 vote plummeting to twenty eight percent. It's not going to 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.960 be I think the cost of living crisis at state 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.160 level comes down to energy costs, because the energy policy 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.360 in Victoria is insane, as it is around the country. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.080 But at state level, the Libs join Labor in changing 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.480 the Victorian Constitution, which makes it so much harder now 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.839 to reverse. Now, some of this stuff you can't reverse 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.680 unless you're going to change the constitution again. But we're 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.039 a state that sits on enormous reserves of gas, we've 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.560 got coal, and yet we have just got exorbitant energy. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.360 Which is why it still baffles me that the Libs 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.880 are wedded to net zero and to the Paris Agreement. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.880 I mean, it's completely insane because it's there for the 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:32.120 taking this next election. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.760 So let's move on to the federal election, which. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.160 Will be taking place before at the end of May 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.880 this year, so not long to go. We should be 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.800 firing up. They're already running ads and so on. But 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.320 the reality here is the argument seems to be, is 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:51.400 Peter Dutton being too cautious in not following a kind 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.120 of more Trumpish agenda or is he doing the correct 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.800 thing by playing it slightly more cautiously. Personally, I believe 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.760 he should be backing the Trump agenda one hundred percent. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.840 He started to There was a good comments on transgenderism 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.880 on the great interview he did with Peter Kredlin. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.320 The Other Knights, which I hope you will watch. But 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:13.280 there are many. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.560 Areas, particularly this hate speech stuff, which I think is 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.479 we we are heading one hundred and eighty degrees in 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.360 the opposite direction to America on free speech. We're doing 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.279 the e safety Karen typeer deep state stuff. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:26.760 We're doing. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.359 All of this clamping down on free speech is the 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.159 exact opposite of what America is doing. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:34.960 James, Yeah, well that's exactly right. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.000 I mean, and just on this question, of you know, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.159 Peter Dutton and a Trump style agenda. Well, on some 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:41.880 of these things he ticks the box. You've got a 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.960 new credit on transgenderism, and you know, particularly the sports issue, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.839 which is of you know, absolutely crucial. I think that's 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.920 something that everybody agrees on that you just simply can't 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.760 have biological males competing with girls in sports. That's so, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.400 that's such basic common sense. The problem Peter Dutton has 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.360 though is number one, he seems to be very afraid 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.400 of being called trumpion, you know, so he's afraid of 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.840 the herald of the age, the ABC going after him 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.840 for this, which I think is you know, I think 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.400 it's a mistake because what the issue is then is 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.080 that he winds up trying to make everything about you know, 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.840 cost of living, which it is and the economy is 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.240 very important. But when you do that, you also do 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.559 two things. Number One, you seed control of the rest 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.760 of the debate to labor and the left. So you 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.200 might have, you know, a fine cost of living argument, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.400 but then every other thing you wind up losing. And 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.559 you live in a country where you don't have free speech, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.840 where you've got the you know, the boys and girls thing, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:43.480 and all of these. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:43.920 Sorts of things. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.040 But the other thing too is once the economy starts 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.400 to improve at all, then suddenly labor takes that argument 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.240 away from you and you don't have it because labor 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.320 can always give you more stuff. And if you look 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.080 at the scare campaigns that labor is running now, it's 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.520 all about the livre going to take away your free stuff. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.360 So they have to find something more to compete on 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:04.920 them this area. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.680 They can't just presume that a cost of living debate 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.800 is going to get them over the line, because labor 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.120 can write checks better than anybody that can give away things. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.160 You come up with a fantastic idea to cut costs 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.280 or to improve people's living standards, labor can replicate and 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.800 say that's a good idea, that's our policy now. So 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.960 you need to have more that politics is about values. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.960 It's not just about economic conservatism, because every politician pretends 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.640 they're an economic conservative. And if you are too gutless, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.160 if you're so terrified of the media putting a label 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.360 on you that you're not going to prosecute arguments that 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.240 are mainstream, that are largely supported, then get out of 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.280 the game. This is a conviction. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:54.040 Absolutely. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:55.280 It shouldn't be in politics. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.320 Absolutely, And I've said all along, and we've said on 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.200 the show since the Voice. Really all the Libs have 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.880 to do is track down those sixty forty arguments and 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.480 prosecute them, I'd say, And that's what Donald Trump is doing. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.120 He's taking all the eighty twenty arguments. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.520 In other words, where where the public are eighty percent 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.040 behind the Trump agenda and the left are down in 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.240 the twenty percent, and he's prosecuting. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.400 Every single one of them relentlessly. He's doing it. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.240 It's been the most exciting two weeks in world politics. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.040 It's being astonishing exactly. And we'll talk more about that, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.040 and we've got some great guests. But the point is 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.040 Peter Dutton's picking some of these things, and he's prosing 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.280 the one flag thing fantastic, standing with just Into Price 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.559 behind him, fantastic. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:36.720 Got to see a lot more of that. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.199 But then stepping back on things like free speech and 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.520 climate change, big, big mistake, because that is the absolute 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.360 heart of the Trump agenda. And if Peter Dutton and 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.200 the Coalition get into government, which I firmly believe they will, 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.400 they're going to be hamstrung by these stupid election commitments 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.360 to stay with net zero when they should when the 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.240 world is moving in the opposite direction. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.880 James Rowan, you know one if thing too when you 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.800 pay close attention to what's going on in the US. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.920 They've got this massive multi trillion dollar debt, they say, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.720 and Scott Bessett, the new Treasury secretary, he says, part 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:10.920 of the way they're going to get out of that 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.840 debt is there going to grow the country out of 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.720 the debt. They're going to grow the economy so much 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.199 that that debt gets paid off. Now, what are we 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.000 doing here in Australia. Peter Dutt needs to come up 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.160 with some serious growth policies Number one. That has to 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.080 start with energy. Australia always competed on cheap energy, but 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.320 there has to be a whole suite of economic policies 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.440 to get our productivity back up, because it's in the 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.320 toilet right now, and we will fall further and further 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.480 behind and we will wind up like a country like 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.640 Germany or Spain or someplace you know that is just 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.840 getting relatively poor and poorer to the rest of the 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:45.760 world over time. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.800 And there's one sorry just on that, there is one 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.920 single thing that will guarantee our future prosperity, and that 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.480 is getting rid pulling out of Paris and getting rid 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:54.959 of net Sara. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.560 That is it. That's the golden goods. It's there. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.920 It'll bring in mining investment, it'll be bringing Manu factoring investment. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.520 That is our future. And for the Libs to hand 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.600 strong themselves by refusing to go down that path is 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.520 absolute madness. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:11.600 It is. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.880 And it also you have to worry about the fact 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:21.760 that the US is going to be so vehemently pro business. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.000 This is another thing. Forget about being compared to Donald Trump. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:29.280 You wish Donald Trump is creating such a pro business environment, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:35.640 cutting regulations, cutting corporate tax rates, incentivizing corporations to manufacture 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:36.520 in the US. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:38.640 We're competing with that now. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.920 So if you want to attract that beginning for something, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.240 got to actually. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.599 We are high cost, high regulation. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.320 Our wages bills are some of the highest in the world, 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.160 our energy costs are some of the highest. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.000 Green tape, black tape. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.319 If you're a multinational, why would you invest in Australia 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.760 where other countries are so much more welcome of business investments. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.880 And that's the thing I mean, look at the headlines 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.640 from this this government, this labor government over the past 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.640 even just say six months. You know you've got a 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.560 gold mine in New South Wales that's been shut down 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:16.280 on very spurious claims about indigenous rights. You've got this 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.760 seven farming operation in Tasmania which may wind up being 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.760 shut down at a stroke of a pen by a 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.880 minister over this issue of the Margiean skate, which is 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.040 some fish. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:28.600 Yes, yes, read about it. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.240 But you know it's like anything you try and do 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.360 productively in this country, Labor in the left tries to 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.080 crush it one way or the other. And you know, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.040 until we stop that and start saying, hey, you know 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.880 what's good for business is good for Australia, we're going 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.000 to keep going backwards. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:43.440 Absolutely. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.400 Now we'll be chatting to Bridget McKenzie shortly about these 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.960 hate speech laws and what that entails. I will also 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.240 be chatting brilliantly to Melanie Phillips later in the show 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.960 about this extraordinary Donald Trump Gaza idea. I'll be talking 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:05.360 about that as well, the magaza, talking about gold gold 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:06.760 post gaza exactly. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:08.160 We'll be doing all that. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.800 We'll also be talking we should talk on the horrific 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.360 images of the Israeli male hostages released yesterday which we 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.760 saw them. These poor three characters, they look like they've 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.840 stepped out of Belson already. The UK Telegraph are saying 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.800 this is this is war crimes, this is crimes against humanity. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.079 It's about time people recognize that Hamas are Nazis. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.439 That's there. They are no better. They are on the 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:31.760 same moral plane. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.280 As the worst of the worst of the Nazis and 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:35.520 need to be treated as such. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.800 These they all need to. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.240 Well, I'll be talking about it later in the show. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.760 We'll also to talk to Melanie Phillips about that. But 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.880 let's also just quickly mention as well, Rent and James 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.840 Chris Bowen has made a goose of himself for no 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.840 news there that could be anyway. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.120 Why it's right really. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.040 But business leaders are finally finding some spine in this 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:02.239 country and speaking up against Chris Bowen's insane policy and saying. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.560 You're bankrupting the country. Mate. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.160 Then and still Bowen and then mad ideologues in labor 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.840 just dig their heels in more windmills, more transmission lines 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.319 across your farmland, more windmills, destroying our beaches and beautiful oceans. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:20.080 Most all the panels, destroying our nicest, most beautiful land 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.840 around the country. An absolute disaster. At least the business 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.360 community James is speaking. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:25.360 Up of it. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.520 Well, they're speaking up, but I mean, where were they 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.800 at the last election. There's part of me that experiences 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.320 a little bit of I know it's shot in freud 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.840 or what it is, but you know, much of the 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.160 business community basically clapped labor in at the last election. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.800 They went along with the voice, They went along with 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.520 all sorts of you know, labor nonsense. And you know 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.440 part of it, I get it. They're just trying to 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.400 keep money coming through the till. And for them, they've 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.760 got to play ball with labor because labor has been 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.120 very explicit from the start with them that you know, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.960 you have to back us in on policy or you 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.920 don't get in to see your minister, and with their 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.960 on disclosure agreements and everything else, trying to just tie 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.520 up that dialogue. So it is good to see that 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.840 some of them were finally coming out and breaking that silence. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:13.040 But it's very very late in the game, guys, and 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.000 you know, this is another thing that libs need to 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.360 get back their relationship with business. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.000 And we also need to talk about the deep state. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.560 We'll talk to Mark Morano about that. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.560 But this disgraceful story is coming out of the UK 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.320 where Donald Trump and Elon Musk have discovered the most 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:31.080 appalling waste of taxpayers money. It's so sinister. Does it 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.440 affect Australia? Has USAID money being used here? Nefariously? I 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.920 would love to know. We'll be speaking to Mark Morano 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.400 about that. Taking a short break, we'll come back and 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.200 we'll chat. No, we were not taking a short break. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.600 We've got Bridget right here ready to go. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.240 Bridget, great to see you. How are you, Bridget. 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.400 I wouldn't put a commercial break between us and Bridget 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:54.840 mackenzie ever, so Bridget, great to see you. Thanks for 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.600 coming on this morning. I want to ask you about 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.960 these hate bill laws. Understand the whole questions around national 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.560 security and anti semitism, so keen to hear what you 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.800 have to say on that. But the big question mark 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.280 in my mind is at what price are we paying 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.120 a high price for free speech in order to guarantee 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:12.920 these protections? 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:14.400 Can you please explain? Bridget? 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.360 Yeah, great to be with you guys, as always on 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:24.240 a Sunday morning, and you're outsider's army watching along at home. Well, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.200 once again you know Albow and his Labor team. The 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.280 conflict internally for the Labor Party has been exposed on 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.280 their inaction and their weakness on dealing with anti Semitism 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.200 that we've seen rising on our streets and they've had 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.920 to be shamed essentially into supporting amendments for us to 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.000 their hate speech laws which would protect places of worship. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.720 I think we want to make sure that we've got 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:56.440 mandatory minimum sentencing of up to six years for terror 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.920 sacked here on shore. All the tials with the Greens 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.680 against that measure, which I think is an important point 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.600 to make, and it means essentially that there'll be no 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.080 more hes Balah flags being waived in our capital cities 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:16.000 in those protest marches, put Jahamas headbands away. They are 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.720 absolutely going to be criminalized on the streets of Australia, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.399 as they should be. And it doesn't just send a 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.240 good deterrent message to those who would seek to do 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:33.720 harm and incite violence against fellow Australians, but it also 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.360 I think sends a strong message to the Australian Jewish 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:46.640 community that their fears that are being realized are being 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.560 taken seriously and swiftly, and it was only Peter Dutton 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.320 and the coalition that really. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.679 Have got us. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.280 You know, these laws through the Labor Party took two 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:04.000 long and we saw the child Okay. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.000 I mean bridget though you know, all of these things 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.040 that we're talking about here, the childcare center, all these 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.479 things here, they were already against the law and the 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.879 weakness of the alban easy response to what has happened 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.760 ever since October seventh was to a not see the 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.439 law enforced. And we saw this weirdness with his not 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.280 knowing even that there was that caravan in Durall that 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.199 had all the explosives in it, and you know his 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.679 lack of leadership and his fecklessness in the days after 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.280 those attacks. I'm wondering, though, why we need to do 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.040 something like further limit speech broadly in this country which 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.840 is already very limited, lowering the bar for what is 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.080 now a criminal offense, taking away provisions around even intent. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.359 It seems to me that these laws are with all 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.040 the best intention of the world of supporting the Jewish community, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.960 and God knows they deserve support right now, but that 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.720 all of our free speech rights, what are left of 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.399 them in Australia are getting further torched through this legislation. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.800 Well, James, I think what you've seen with this law 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.919 is the changes to inciting violence and the use of 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:20.520 force against other Australians. It's not if you're offended, these 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.600 won't apply to you. If you emotionally feel you've been 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:31.199 emotionally harmed, these laws won't be applying because I'm specifically. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.760 We have Christian schools warning that these laws will be 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:41.760 used weaponized against religious teachings. We've got others warning about 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:46.560 a chilling effect on free speech. We've already got laws 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:53.359 in place against inciting violence against all sorts of things 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.600 that are there to protect the community. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.760 But at what cost are we going. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.919 To give up our to free speech and to be 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.160 able to have robust discussions, robust points. 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.600 Of view that are not going to be criminalized. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.320 I mean, it's one thing to have a disagreement, to 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.879 even denounce a view, but to make it at a 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.239 criminal offense and to set the bar so low, I 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.800 just don't see how that's a liberal value. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.080 Well, Rita, I'm going to have to disagree with you 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.359 and the Coalition senators and members that voted for this 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:33.840 bill also disagree because our advice is that the Criminal 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:39.080 Code has very specific and agreed definitions around the use 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.040 of this word violence, and that is that it refers 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:47.760 specifically to physical violence. Now, I don't think pulpits. I 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.320 went to a Christian school. I don't think my Christian 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:57.800 teachers ever would be inciting me to violence against others. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:03.240 We don't want to see Christian religious tenets of religious 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.879 faiths being minimized in their ability to be able to 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.880 be expressed. We want to be a religiously tolerant nation. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.440 We have a lot of different religions, but we don't 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:19.320 want pulpits or places of worship being used as a 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.480 way to incite violence against fellow Australians. 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.359 That is and Bridgid would we hope to see. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.080 So that's the tension. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.040 You've argued that point. 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.600