Speaker 1: Lawrence, tell me what's you know?
Speaker 2: Every week we like to have a different division at
Speaker 2: the Victorian Police in to have a chat. This week
Speaker 2: we are catching up with the team from RBT.
Speaker 3: Like four schooners of Great Northern Okay, got a heavy
Speaker 3: beer or and.
Speaker 2: I'll be so you can breath test me. I'm very confident,
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly what we were doing today.
Speaker 4: Mine's got a breath and we've tested.
Speaker 5: Ourselves that particular drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly drink. He's got a breath test. That voice
Speaker 2: right there, was seeing you, Constable Stevie Jorgensen who joined
Speaker 2: us now, good morning morning.
Speaker 3: It's nice to be here.
Speaker 5: So you're on the show too. I am their real arfe.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I think are they proper police men and women?
Speaker 3: We are real?
Speaker 2: No, it's only strippers that are in.
Speaker 5: I'd be happy if one of them pulled me.
Speaker 2: Stevie, welcome to the show. How how long you've been
Speaker 2: part of the cops.
Speaker 3: I have been a for ten years and doing this
Speaker 3: particular role for six. Do you get to pick?
Speaker 4: Can you say I love doing the RBT and the
Speaker 4: Booze bus I want to do that or do you
Speaker 4: just get moved around to different departments.
Speaker 3: So no, I've been with what's called ARPIDAS. We call
Speaker 3: it row Policing drug an alcohol section, and I've been
Speaker 3: there on my own accord for six years. I could
Speaker 3: leave if I wanted to, but I love it there.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 3: In terms of filming, we get asked if we want
Speaker 3: to do it or not. So yeah, there's any select
Speaker 3: few of us that actually are prepared to put our
Speaker 3: faces on TV. So I'm one of them.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: Question, I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Speaker 4: But when I get go through a breath o booze bus,
Speaker 4: I panic every time, even when I haven't had a drink,
Speaker 4: and I think, oh my gosh, they're going to think
Speaker 4: I'm drunk or I'm doing something wrong because I'm so
Speaker 4: nervous and.
Speaker 5: I ran over the cone. No, is that normal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are not alone. That is very very common,
Speaker 3: like very common.
Speaker 4: Before they're like, oh, you know you're going to show
Speaker 4: drivers sortevery and I'm shaking and I'm like, I look
Speaker 4: eating myself.
Speaker 3: Well, look on our buses. A normal shift, we would
Speaker 3: be testing up to one thousand, fteen people. So in
Speaker 3: amongst that, I would say at least fifty percent of
Speaker 3: people Okay, would be scared coming past or coming into
Speaker 3: a booze bus.
Speaker 4: I think I'd be more confident if fund had a
Speaker 4: few drinks to marriage.
Speaker 2: Not joking the audio we heard there, Gary, he ended
Speaker 2: up blowing under on the show. When it comes to
Speaker 2: random breath testing, do you because we're now rolling out
Speaker 2: random drug testing as well?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: Are you doing both at every site? No drug testing
Speaker 2: takes longer, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: We yes, So we have booze busses and we have
Speaker 3: drug buses. When we do a booze bus, we do
Speaker 3: have the facilities to do a drug test if we
Speaker 3: feel the need.
Speaker 5: So it's if you're if you've got saying, let's do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if we ever have somebody on our bus
Speaker 3: for a breath test, we'll also do a drug test while.
Speaker 5: We're there if they've been taken out of the car
Speaker 5: and endo the bus.
Speaker 2: So you get out. If they're taking me out of
Speaker 2: the car, you're cooked.
Speaker 4: You are getting oapy test, and if you're doing nothing wrong,
Speaker 4: you're not.
Speaker 2: Course, that's right, of course, yes.
Speaker 3: And then we have the drug busses where every single
Speaker 3: driver that comes into our site will get a breath
Speaker 3: test and a drug test.
Speaker 5: Right, and then how do we drug test everyone?
Speaker 4: Is a cost?
Speaker 3: We just look, yeah, and we don't have I mean
Speaker 3: it's high volume testing. When we do booze buses. As
Speaker 3: I said before, we're going to be testing anywhere up
Speaker 3: to fourteen hundred drivers a drug test. When we have
Speaker 3: a drug bus, we're with each driver for about five minutes,
Speaker 3: so we would never get the amount of people tested
Speaker 3: if we were doing every single person. And then obviously
Speaker 3: it's a huge cost to be able to drug test
Speaker 3: every single Let's.
Speaker 2: Be honest, people would be cracking it like five minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sixty seconds and they don't like us doing that.
Speaker 5: Honest question. Are our roads safe?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 4: Are we policing enough that we're making our roads? How
Speaker 4: many people are drink driving and drug driving?
Speaker 3: I wish I could say that our roads are super safe,
Speaker 3: but coming from the job that I do, yeah, we
Speaker 3: see so many people that are under the influence of
Speaker 3: alcohol and drugs. Just last week I did a site
Speaker 3: where we got someone at around eleven o'clock in the
Speaker 3: morning and they were point to nine. So that's the
Speaker 3: whole time, the legal limit at eleven o'clock in the
Speaker 3: morning on a school day.
Speaker 5: Had they been out all night and all day or.
Speaker 3: He was actually in complete denial about it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: too much into it. But there were alcohol in the car,
Speaker 3: there was, and this person, you know, had a pretty
Speaker 3: strong history of drink driving.
Speaker 2: You know what I find sad because I see the
Speaker 2: boost bus a lot on South right down near our Sandy,
Speaker 2: and the cops are set up there and they're getting
Speaker 2: them after school pickup and school drop off, and that's
Speaker 2: that's the time of targeting. Does it does it shock you?
Speaker 2: How many? Does it make you angry?
Speaker 3: That site? I would say that would probably be the
Speaker 3: where we get the most hate and complaints about setting
Speaker 3: up in that area. And we're affecting drivers. You know,
Speaker 3: we've added in traffic, we're affecting traffic with minutes to
Speaker 3: their driver.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I've been on that road and you guys fly
Speaker 2: through it pretty quick. I've done the boostbus there several
Speaker 2: times that you don't hold them up, definite they don't.
Speaker 3: But I think people just like to complain about it.
Speaker 3: But we're always getting.
Speaker 2: And do you get many doing the school run? It's good?
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've personally, I have trut a breaktest on quite a
Speaker 3: lot of people during school time, and yeah it's I
Speaker 3: mean it's but it's standard procedure, like you go, you
Speaker 3: have a glass of wine. Yeah, it makes me really angry. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm personally really passionate about road policing and affected drivers
Speaker 3: off the road.
Speaker 4: So I get, yeah, well, thank you for that, because
Speaker 4: you're keeping our roads safe. It is actually scary hearing
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. But a lot of people now
Speaker 4: are taking their responsibility in their own hands. You try
Speaker 4: to write, I don't really even like having one glass
Speaker 4: of wine and driving because I get scared that I'm
Speaker 4: over be I just.
Speaker 2: The confusion is because remember if few years ago, and
Speaker 2: I remember when we were growing up, there was that
Speaker 2: big campaign where it was like one hour after that
Speaker 2: and everyone started sticking to that rule. But that's like,
Speaker 2: you know, one standard beer is more than a standard drink,
Speaker 2: and also to food size of the person, size of
Speaker 2: how you.
Speaker 4: Compared to the size of poor my fiance, Like we
Speaker 4: couldn't drink the same amount.
Speaker 2: And I've noticed we're not doing those campaigns anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's it's way too confusing for people,
Speaker 3: and what works for one person is not going to
Speaker 3: work for the next. As you said size, So there's
Speaker 3: no guide food, water, There's so many different things that
Speaker 3: come into play as to how your body will metabolize alcohol.
Speaker 4: So it's too risky do the self breathalyzers work because
Speaker 4: I know people that like will have two glasses of
Speaker 4: wine and then they'll always check before they drive. But
Speaker 4: if if you blewe point oh four on that, and
Speaker 4: then you went to a booze bus and you blue point.
Speaker 3: No defense the look. I think the problem with the
Speaker 3: personally owned breath breathalyzers is that some are really cheap
Speaker 3: and then some are really expensive. But the difference with
Speaker 3: those ones and ours is that ours are regularly serviced
Speaker 3: and calibrated. You're going to give you that accurate results.
Speaker 3: And we have a two step process. So we've obviously
Speaker 3: got the initial test that you do at the booze
Speaker 3: bus or if you're be decepted, and then we have
Speaker 3: an evidentiary breath test as well, like in the bus.
Speaker 2: I actually remember the machines eas to have on the
Speaker 2: side of the wall in pubs and you get a
Speaker 2: straw blowing it right, and like I would love for
Speaker 2: them to roll out actual professional ones and service them
Speaker 2: and pull them in everything every pub across Victoria.
Speaker 5: You'd be grateful for it one hundred.
Speaker 2: Percent because even if I had two great northerns right
Speaker 2: like low strength beer, I would definitely still check, even
Speaker 2: though I know I'm pretty safe, definitely still check. And
Speaker 2: if I was over, I wouldn't drive. Yeah, Like, I
Speaker 2: know it's a cost, but think about the lives of
Speaker 2: the top.
Speaker 3: Problem with that is that with alcohol consumption, you could
Speaker 3: still it has like a peak before it starts. So
Speaker 3: you could do that test at the pub and it
Speaker 3: might be then you get held up because you see
Speaker 3: a mate that you weren't drinking with and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: hanging back for another fifteen minutes. Then you go to
Speaker 3: drive and your alcohol in that space of time has
Speaker 3: actually peaked and gone higher. So you're thinking that result is, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm fine, I'm oh four oh, but then you get
Speaker 3: pulled over twenty minutes later by us and then you're
Speaker 3: five oh and five oh on the dot is an
Speaker 3: offense like your.
Speaker 5: You've got to be under point five four night.
Speaker 2: Point four night for thanks Stevie, I thought I was.
Speaker 4: It is because you know what and what I would
Speaker 4: say the people who would do that test at the
Speaker 4: pub they're trying to do the right thing, you know,
Speaker 4: and the people who get point oh five, Sure it's wrong,
Speaker 4: but you feel for them because you're like, oh, but
Speaker 4: you know it's it's the people who are way over
Speaker 4: that aren't sitting at the pub just trying to do
Speaker 4: the right thing.
Speaker 2: Hey, we've got to go to a break. Are you
Speaker 2: happy to stay with us?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to ask a question about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, let's let's not put our head in the sand.
Speaker 2: People are smoking, people are doing part other drugs around
Speaker 2: the place. I want to talk about how long that
Speaker 2: could potentially stay in your system. And also we're going
Speaker 2: to test out the old breath Now machine this morning
Speaker 2: because we got one of our producers, Jis, to have
Speaker 2: a few one last night with dinner. He got a
Speaker 2: maneuver in this morning and we want to see how
Speaker 2: he thinks he's feeling and how it comes up on
Speaker 2: the breath oak and.
Speaker 5: Next day is a worrying.
Speaker 2: You know what, Let's break out that tongue scraper.
Speaker 3: Four straws so we can we don't just have to
Speaker 3: test him, we can test We are out of time.
Speaker 2: We are proving the pope post and you Constable Stevie
Speaker 2: Jorgensen has joining us this morning. She is a booze
Speaker 2: bus operetta.
Speaker 4: And you're on the show yet do you ever get
Speaker 4: recognized a little bit?
Speaker 3: Not so much like out in public, but the family. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like when I'm on the show, like my phone just
Speaker 3: goes nuts.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And people from school that I haven't spoken to it
Speaker 3: about twenty years.
Speaker 2: Why does Darryl, when he gets done on the show
Speaker 2: for blowing over and with meth in his system, allows
Speaker 2: himself to be on TV.
Speaker 3: This is a good question. So you'll get a mix
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So some people will well, either they're drunk or they're
Speaker 3: on drugs relief, the right decision. Two. They genuinely want
Speaker 3: to get on television and it doesn't matter what it's for.
Speaker 3: They're happy to just get their face on their Why.
Speaker 4: They don't get their someone told me they get their
Speaker 4: fines in court cases paid.
Speaker 3: No, no, nothing, no benefits whatsoever. For an example, I
Speaker 3: had a young pea player who only had his license
Speaker 3: for a few months. This one hasn't been shown yet,
Speaker 3: so i't go with too much into detail. But he
Speaker 3: thought it was going to help him with the ladies.
Speaker 3: He was like, cool, this is going to get me
Speaker 3: out share and the girls are going to see me
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 5: Gonna And was he drink driving?
Speaker 3: He was drink driving, Yeah, lost his license.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: It's really going to work for the ladies when you've
Speaker 4: got to put them on the greyhound bus for a
Speaker 4: day and then you just get the genuine people that
Speaker 4: can see how their story might help somebody else, somebody else,
Speaker 4: which they're the good ones because we know, you know,
Speaker 4: you're showing people that they are they're not one hundred
Speaker 4: percent safety drink.
Speaker 5: You guys are pretty ice on it, like you're Sometimes.
Speaker 2: I get frustrated, but rightfully so.
Speaker 5: You're pretty nice. Sometimes I'm like, oh, they're being so nice.
Speaker 5: This person he's just gone Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's a bit of a fine line between being too
Speaker 3: stern and them not wanting to cooperate and being nice
Speaker 3: enough that they do want to cooperate with this and
Speaker 3: come on the show.
Speaker 2: We're going to say all the coppers we've met with
Speaker 2: this segment have been bloody lovely.
Speaker 5: We love having the VIC police in. We love it.
Speaker 2: Now. You guys don't have your head in the sands.
Speaker 2: You know, people out there are smoking, doing drugs. You
Speaker 2: can do medicinal marijuana. These days, it's never publicized how
Speaker 2: long drugs can potentially stay in your system. And the
Speaker 2: reason I ask because I'm sure there'd be people going, well, look,
Speaker 2: you know what I hit bloody. You know I had
Speaker 2: a smoke last night. If I know it stays in
Speaker 2: my system for twenty four hours, I won't drive today.
Speaker 2: Is there just no definitive answer?
Speaker 3: There isn't. Every single person will metabolize drugs differently, and
Speaker 3: same with alcohol.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We can't say that one person and it's going to
Speaker 3: smoke weed and then within an hour it's gone, and
Speaker 3: then somebody else it's you know, a week later, they've
Speaker 3: still got it there.
Speaker 2: So if people say, could drop a pill in a
Speaker 2: club on a Saturday night, I could say for someone
Speaker 2: it could be out their system on Sunday. For other
Speaker 2: people could still be their Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Even if it's not affecting you anymore, it can still
Speaker 4: be in your system.
Speaker 3: That's right, And that's where I think people get confused
Speaker 3: with the whole offense of drink and drug driving. In
Speaker 3: terms of drug driving, you can be pulled over a
Speaker 3: few days after having meth or having a tablet on
Speaker 3: the weekend and it's still shop. You're not really feeling
Speaker 3: the effects, but it's still in your oral fluid, so
Speaker 3: you still lose your license to Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Was bad enough, and then hey, we've got our producer
Speaker 2: Jeez in the studio morning.
Speaker 1: Jeez, I'm so sweaty, I'm so nervous.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: He was given.
Speaker 5: To have a lovely dinner last yek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was given the task to have a couple
Speaker 2: of wines with dinner, just like a lot of people would.
Speaker 2: We got him maneuver in this morning. But we're very
Speaker 2: interested to see if it's still any system. Guys, I've
Speaker 2: got some sound effects. I thought we could do a
Speaker 2: dramatized right now quickly.
Speaker 5: What time did you have your last drink?
Speaker 1: At nine pm?
Speaker 5: So we're eleven hours?
Speaker 2: Drink should be okay? Last that should we.
Speaker 5: Do like what we do on the show, Like when
Speaker 5: we watch it. Do you reckon? He'll be what do
Speaker 5: you reckon? He's going to blow?
Speaker 2: I like the voiceover, I reckon he's going to this
Speaker 2: young Irish lad. I thought he could have a few
Speaker 2: venos last night and put the leg over the missus, isn't.
Speaker 5: He Let's see what constable has to say about what
Speaker 5: did you drink?
Speaker 1: I drank three to four glasses of peano. No wire shadowed,
Speaker 1: zan state beautiful.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh hang on, guys, here we go. Oh all right,
Speaker 2: window coming down.
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Constable, Good morning, driver in the morning. All right,
Speaker 3: so you've had a couple of drinks last night, you.
Speaker 1: Told me, Yeah, just with dinner. I'm definitely fine this morning.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been in work and I think I'm
Speaker 1: doing my best work this morning.
Speaker 5: Actually it's questionable, very confident.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do this test one long breathing to
Speaker 3: the straw until I'll tell you to stop.
Speaker 5: It is a long bread so long.
Speaker 2: Some people just can never get on screaming at the TV.
Speaker 5: Clearcy a reckon, he's under he's clear.
Speaker 1: What do you think I reckon? There's going to be
Speaker 1: alcohol in my system, but I don't think I'm going
Speaker 1: to be over the limit.
Speaker 2: Oh hang on, Sorry, Sorry, we go to a break.
Speaker 3: So annoying.
Speaker 5: I come back to the end of the show.
Speaker 3: All right, No, we are all clear.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 4: I would have loved to have known that, because this
Speaker 4: is where people getting big trouble get like, we get
Speaker 4: up at what four point thirty in the morning and
Speaker 4: drive to work and you had six hours sleep and
Speaker 4: you think you're fine.
Speaker 5: That's that he'd come undone. Then I reckon. So just
Speaker 5: so everyone knows, we put him in an ober this morning,
Speaker 5: just in case.
Speaker 1: Yes, do you have a heavy dinner and I had
Speaker 1: a yes, standard dinner, I'd say not loads.
Speaker 5: Not he's still shredding.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not really shredding. But that's actually a question
Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask. Is soakage a thing like
Speaker 1: if you do have a lot of foods, does that
Speaker 1: make so caidge?
Speaker 4: It's certainly not a defense in the court of Laura
Speaker 4: vitalize again.
Speaker 3: Look, I think, yeah, there's lots of things that come
Speaker 3: into play when it comes to alcohol and you know, sleep, food, yeah,
Speaker 3: water consumption and just time. Time is the one thing
Speaker 3: you need to allow enough time, and that's where people
Speaker 3: fall short.
Speaker 2: Next morning, Jazz, don't move, Stevie, break out the tongue.
Speaker 5: Scrapers, don't do that. And Jazz is very well behaved
Speaker 5: for it is.
Speaker 2: Very well behaved. Senior Constable Stevie Jorgenson from the Booze
Speaker 2: Bus Division of the Pipelay, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: coming in this morning, and thank you for the work
Speaker 2: you guys do. It's a dangerous jo there on the street.
Speaker 4: Thanks for keeping our roads safe, our best, Thanks for
Speaker 4: having Me's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be a good Jason Lauren, Jason Lauren wake Up
Speaker 1: feeling Good on Nomber one hundred.
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