1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I'll get to him. Welcome to another installing the U Project. Craig, 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Anthony Harp, Tiffany and Cook and doctor Gillespie up there 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: in the bloody Sunshine State, just crushing it in the hammock, 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: the jacuzzi by the pool he used to work. Allegedly 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: he still does a little bit before we chat to 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: him or so sail load to Cookie. Hello, tiff Maybe. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: I could go up for a little long weekend in 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: the Sunshine State. Have you got to spare him? 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: Gillespo Oh, Probably you wouldn't come to our Brisbane place. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: You probably come up with the coast. It's nicer up there. 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll go to his second home, to 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: his second house. Yeah, how's that conversation with his missus 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: going to go? So there's this young lady that does 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: the podcast with Craig. It's all business, but she's going 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: to be staying with us, and by us I mean me. 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, good luck sorting that out. 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, now that you say that, Craig, I might have 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: trouble selling it. 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you might have to recant that offer your honor. 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: How have you been made? 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty good? How are you? 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? Very good? Very good? T If you made it back. 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: From the gym, shure did just in the nick of time. 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: You did some squats for the first time in a while. 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: How long do you reckon it is since Gillespo's done 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: any squats? And do you reckon he's ever done a 27 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: set of Barbelle squats in his life? 28 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: I reckon he did some last Thursday. All right, I'll 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: have you know. 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: I did one this morning because I have to. You know, 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: we have the water bottles that you put on the cooler, 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: and they weigh fifteen kilos and you have to pick 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 3: them up and put them on top of the cooler. 34 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: So aren't you worried that those in competition. 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Aren't you worried about the thallades from the plastic that 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: hold your water. 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: I'm more worried about the fluoride that's added to the 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: water in the town water up here, which is why 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: for the last fifteen years I've been buying water that way. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: So there is for those of us who for those 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: who haven't heard us talk about this, I don't know 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: if you and I have spoken about it, definitely not 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: in detail, but yes, luride's kind of inversely correlated with IQ, 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: isn't it? Cognitive function. Don't they reckon? It literally makes 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: you dumber. 46 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: It can in serious quantities, I don't think anywhere in Australia. 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: Most places in Australia probably haven't got the sorts of 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 3: quantities that would do those sorts of things. The big 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: problem for me with variety is feeding it to children. 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: Its mechanism of operation is that it makes hard surfaces brittle, 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 3: so like bones and things, which is how it works. 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: On teeth. It gives them a harder outer surface. And 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: that's great when it's in your toothpaste. It's not so 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 3: great when you're swallowing it because then it ends up 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 3: as part of your skeleton. And so my concern with 56 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: six little kids is that when Brisbane to switch to 57 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: fluoride in the water supply, I just didn't want my 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: kids being ghost on this stuff with unknown potential consequences, 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: so decided to switch to I looked at all the 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 3: potential options, but the only way you can reliably get 61 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: water that doesn't have it in is using that methodology 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: where essentially it's evaporated and recondensed and so on and 63 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: son you have to buy it because the home ones 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: use more energy than it's worth to do it. 65 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for the bloke who's and we'll get to 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the topic at hand and we'll still be out in 67 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. That's how good we are. But the bloke 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: who is still and was at that time a lawyer, 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: I guess, and a programmer, all of that in the 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: tech space, when there was there something that precipitated your 71 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: curiosity around all things health, like did something happen or 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: was that interest always there? 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: No, I didn't have any interest in it until I 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: figured out that everything I'd been being told about why 75 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: I was so fat was wrong, you know, it's it's 76 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: that was the shock to me. I had zero interest 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: in health that I thought all I had to do 78 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: to be healthy was just listen to the authorities. They 79 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: would they'd obviously done all the research, they knew all 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: the answers. You know, if they said fat made you fat, 81 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: then I guess it did, and and that meant that 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: I was perfectly okay eating ninety nine percent fat free 83 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: marshmallows because you know, they were fat free. So it 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: was quite a surprise to me to discover that that 85 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: was all nonsense and based on nothing. And when I 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: saw that, I thought, well, how much of the rest 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: of what I told his nonsense too, And so that's 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: and when I started digging around and discovered the issues 89 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: with seed oils and then fiber and various other things, 90 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: I thought, Wow, almost everything we're told is nonsense when 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: it comes to health, and the people who were putting 92 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: the messages out are basically chunks. And I was really 93 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 3: surprised by that. And what I guess one of the 94 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: turning points for me is I used to do a 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: regular radio gig on radiop here in Brisbane with a 96 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: talk show host after Sweet Poison came out, and he 97 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: used to hear me say this kind of thing, and 98 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: he used to always be keen to get someone from 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: the authorities on the show to debate me about it, 100 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: and he succeeded once in getting a cardiac surgeon representing 101 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: the Hart Foundation, and we had an on air debate 102 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: where it became abundantly clear that this guy knew absolutely 103 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: nothing about the science that even what he was supposed 104 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: to be saying was based on, and let alone what 105 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: I was saying. He couldn't even identify the different types 106 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: of sugars or different types of lipids or any of 107 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And I thought, Wow, this is 108 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: the authority that is being bored as the person with 109 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: all the answers and they don't even know the basics. 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think also on a slightly different level, 111 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: but still similar, like people who who get exercise advice 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: from doctors who have zero training and exercise programming, like 113 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: they don't know. You know, they know that exercise is good, 114 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: but so to plumbers. But you're not asking a plumber 115 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: for a fucking exercise program. 116 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: Right well, I think if you talk to doctors and 117 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: ask them to antswer, honestly, most of them would say, 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: we're not taught anything about you know, exercise or nutrition 119 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: or anything other than in the vaguest terms and basically 120 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: the stuff that's regurgitated in dietetics textbooks, which also has 121 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: no foundation in fact. And yet because they're medical, people think, 122 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: oh I should get that advice from. 123 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: Them, exactly the amount of And this is not a 124 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: slide on doctors because for what they are meant to do, 125 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, most of them are somewhere between pretty good 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: and really good. But over the years, like when I 127 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: trained lots of people, obviously thousands of people, and I 128 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: trained I don't know, I trained at least twenty doctors 129 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: as in had them as clients over the years, and 130 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: nearly all of them asked me what they should be 131 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: eating like, and some of them asked me what supplements 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: they should take, if any. And obviously I would preface 133 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: that with well, I'm not a dietician and you know, 134 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: but let's you know, so I would talk in general 135 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: terms about what might be advantageous and not prescribe anything. 136 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're working. Knowledge of you know, nutrition and exercise, physiology, etc. 137 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Is non existent, but that's not their job. But the 138 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: general public think that, you know, they their knowledge covers everything, 139 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: which obviously by their training and you know, their job 140 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: describe well. 141 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: They're also not good at saying I don't know in 142 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: my experience, you know, they're not good at when it 143 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: goes outside their expertise, saying well, I don't know, maybe 144 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: you should ask someone who's a specialist in that. What 145 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: they do tend to do is give you off the 146 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: cuff advice. That is the general stuff you here, you know, 147 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: the stuff the Heart Foundation puts out or the Dietitians 148 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: Association puts out. You know, you know, eat healthy and 149 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: what does that mean or that means everything in moderation, 150 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: which is defined as whatever you want, and you know, 151 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: eat lots of fiber and fruit and vegetables, and if 152 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: you ask them why, they'll come up drive pretty quickly. 153 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I were chatting. I won't say the 154 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: brand because I just don't want to, but you and 155 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: I were chatting, and I sent you two pictures of 156 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: side by side protein bars which I just happened to 157 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: see in the supermarket. And on one of the bars 158 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: is for women, and one of the bars is for men, 159 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and they're different colors and apparently different products. They're called 160 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: different things. One's all red and pink, the women's one, 161 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: and it, you know, talks about being low in sugar 162 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: and low in carbs, and it's got the low number 163 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: of calories in it. And the man's one as black, 164 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: of course, and it's got about all the protein in it. 165 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: And as you know what's coming, because I've already told you. 166 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: But then I turned it over and I looked at 167 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: what's in it. It's the exact same identical bar in 168 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: two different rappers. And the bit I didn't tell you 169 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: was both of them have a five star health rating, 170 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, then I googled that, and I thought, 171 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: how do they get that? And I did it and 172 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: went in and it's backed by the government and created 173 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: by the government. This rating, this particular rating system, and 174 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, and the star rating goes between half a 175 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: star and five. So this highly processed stuff in a 176 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: wrapper is the highest of high water marks for like 177 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: the highest you can get for anything in a supermarket 178 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: is five stars. And this is it. Wow, what would 179 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: broccoli be? You know, what would a chicken breast be? 180 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. 181 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: Well, but now the interesting I've written quite a bit 182 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: about that star system because it's an abomination. It's actually 183 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: best used in reverse. So we go for the foods 184 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: with the lowest number of stars because they because the 185 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: system is heavily biased to how much saturated fat is 186 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: in something. So something like butter has half a star, 187 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 3: Margarine has five stars. Right, Margarine's full of deed oils 188 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: and will kill you. Butter is perfectly healthy and excellent food. 189 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: So I found that the best way to use that 190 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: star system is in reverse, go for the foods that 191 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 3: have the lowest number of stars. 192 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Wow. Well spoken and authorized by David Gilleston. Yes, so 193 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: have a lookout folks. You know, you might see you 194 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: might see that it's a very well known brand. You 195 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: wrote something today, was it about fish? 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: That you I have written it and haven't even published it. 197 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: So you're getting this hot off the pre presses. Wow, wow, 198 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: this is your listeners are hearing this before it even 199 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: appears on the internet. Do tell Okay, So Fish. It's 200 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: an interesting story because you know, it's kind of related 201 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: to the things we've been talking about, because you know, 202 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: we've we've had all this advice, Oh, you know, you 203 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: can't eat saturated fat, stay away from the red meat, 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: all that sort of thing. It's going to give you 205 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: a heart attack and all that sort of thing. And 206 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: often what's put forward is the alternative is, you know, 207 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,239 Speaker 3: you can either become a vegetarian, which isn't too palatable 208 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: to most people, or well, you know, of course you 209 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: can eat fish. Fish is perfect food, very very low 210 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 3: and saturated fat high. And Amiga three is heart healthy, 211 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: excellent stuff. And then the other workplace that we get 212 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: that recommendation from is probably in the last thirty years 213 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 3: or so, people have started doing studies that suggest that 214 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: our Amiga six and Amiga three ratios are out now 215 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: you've probably heard this before. We're supposed to have Amiga 216 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 3: three and Amiga six ratios in equal amounts in the body. 217 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: The Amiga six is pro inflammatory, the Amiga three is 218 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: anti inflammatory. Our immune system works on the basis that 219 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 3: if we have roughly the same amount of each, then 220 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: the body can run the immune system and the information 221 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: response perfectly. And if you look at ancestral diets, they 222 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: do deliver about equal quantities, about one and a half 223 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: grams of each per person per day, which seems to 224 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: be about exactly what we need. Not surprisingly, we're evolved 225 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: in an environment divides that. So the problem is that 226 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: if you look at modern diets, a Mega six is 227 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: way out of whack because we're using seed oils, vegetable 228 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: oils and so on that we've talked about a lot before, 229 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: a like canola and sunflower oil, and safflower oil and 230 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: soybean oil, rice brand grape seed. Well, all those oils 231 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: are very very high in Omega six. And because they 232 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: are the oils that the Heart Foundation tells you to 233 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: consume instead of eating things like meat and butter and 234 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: so on, then the modern diet tends to be quite 235 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: high in a mega six and quite low in Amega 236 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: three because there's not a lot of Amiga three in 237 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: most of that. Although surprisingly you can get exactly the 238 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 3: right amount, and this is worth knowing. You can get 239 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: exactly the right amount of Amiga three and Amega six 240 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: if you eat a cheat sandwich. 241 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: Did you say a cheese sandwich. 242 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, because dairy obviously it contains if it's grass fed dairy, 243 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: the fat from a grass fed cow, which is obviously 244 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: what's used to create cheese. If it's a grass fed 245 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 3: one is exactly half and half a Mega six and 246 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: Mega three. And the amount you get from a cheese 247 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: sandwich if there's butter you being used on the bread 248 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: rather than margarine, is exactly the amount you need for 249 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: your daily supplies of it. Because we do need it. 250 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: It's an essential fat. We can't manufacture it ourselves. So yeah, 251 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: you could have a cheese sandwich, but that never makes 252 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: it into the dire dietary advice. But the problem is 253 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: that all these studies keep coming out saying, oh, we're 254 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: all eating too much Omega six and the Heart Foundation 255 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: and all the dietary gurus say, oh, well, the solution 256 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: to that is easy. We just need to up our 257 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: Amiga three intake. I didn't get it back into balance. 258 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: It actually is impossible. I can't remember I tried to 259 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: find it for this article. I'll have to dig it out. 260 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: It's a truly extraordinary amount of fish we would have 261 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: to consume to get a Meiga three up to the level, 262 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: because most of us are now running at about twenty 263 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: five to one a Mega six to Omega three, So 264 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: you'd really have to consume truly vast amounts of amega three. 265 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: And there's no guarantee that that would help at all anyway, 266 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: because it's a problem not just of the ratio, but 267 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: of the amount of Amiga six. So the true answer 268 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: is reduced the Amega six, not increasing Mega three. But 269 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: I'm kind of straying a little bit away from the 270 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: point here, which is the answer we've been given is well, 271 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: you should be eating fish because fish is chokers with 272 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: amega three, so it'll get your Amiga three balance up. 273 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: And it's not red meat, so you know you won't 274 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: have with all that nasty saturated fat. So what you 275 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: should be doing is you should be having a lot 276 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: of fish. Now, we've listened to that since the nineteen seventies. 277 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: The average Australian is now eating more than twice as 278 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: much fish, So that message has gotten through. We have 279 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: really started to power up on the fish. We eat 280 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: a lot of fish. We're eating a lot less red meat, 281 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: eating a lot more chicken, and a lot of fish. Now, 282 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: the problem with that is there just aren't that many fish, 283 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: and so we have to farm them. And so you know, 284 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: more than half the fish we eat now in Australia 285 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: it comes from farms. It's not wild caught. And you 286 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: might say, also, what so we farm them? So what 287 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: the problem with that is that farming fish means you 288 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: have to feed them. And if you want fish to 289 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: have a higher amega three content, which is the point 290 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: after all, you have to feed them ameiga three because 291 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: fish are no more capable of producing amega three than 292 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: we are. The only reason the wild caught fish have 293 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: high levels of omega three is because they eat other fish, 294 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: and those other fish eat algae, which is where they 295 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: get the omega three from. So amega three isn't produced 296 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: by fish, it's produced by algae that is eaten by fish, 297 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 3: and then those fish are eaten by bigger fish, and 298 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: then eventually they get big enough that we catch them, 299 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: and so we get our amega three from fish in 300 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: that way. The trouble is, if you farm the fish, 301 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: none of that happens. You've got to feed the fish. 302 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: You've got a lot of them in a small place. 303 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: How do you feed them? They feed them the same 304 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 3: way they feed feed lot cattle. They give them a 305 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: whole bunch of grain, so they're grain fed. So farmed 306 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: fish are grain fed, and grain fed fish, just like 307 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: grain fed cattle, have much more omega six in because 308 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: grains are high in omega six than omega three. Now 309 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 3: the fish farmers know this and know that that's a 310 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: bit of a problem. So what they do is feed 311 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: fish oil to the fish. And you'll be thinking, okay, well, 312 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: hang on, where are they getting the fish oil from. 313 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Exactly, They're getting it. 314 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: From wild caught fish. It takes five kilos of wild 315 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: caught fish to create one kilo of farmed fish with 316 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: the same amiga three content. 317 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: Well, what that seems like a very inefficient model for 318 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: anything it does. 319 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: But those fish that they're catching and feeding to the 320 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: other fish are not fish we would buy at the 321 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: fish and chip shop, right, So they're small fish there, 322 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 3: fish that you know they're not the kind of fish 323 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: you could sell to humans, so they're using them to 324 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: turn into fish oil to sell to feed to the fish. 325 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 3: Trouble with that is, as you'll pointed out, that's not 326 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: a particularly sustainable model and it doesn't work anymore, and 327 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: it's largely being replaced by feeding them a different kind 328 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 3: of oil. Guess what seed oils. So the fish are 329 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: actually being given seed oils which are largely consisted of 330 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: a Mega six and grains which produce higher Amega six fish. 331 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: The end result is, if it's a farm fish, it 332 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: probably has almost n Omega three in it. And so 333 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 3: the solution that we've been given to a avoiding saturated 334 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: fat and b increasing our a Mega three levels is 335 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: to eat something that does that actually increases the Amiga 336 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: six level, even if we didn't deep right in seed 337 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 3: oil at the fish and chip shop, So it doesn't 338 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: actually deliver on the promise of giving us a Mega three, 339 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 3: and worse than that, it makes the problem worse for 340 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: us because then we're getting even higher levels of Amiga six. 341 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: You shall full of good news, and so is there 342 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: any I actually have a fish story I want to 343 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: share after this? 344 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: So you go why did I even look at this? 345 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 3: How did they even know to look at this? Because 346 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: it's a pretty rarefied thing. And the reason I looked 347 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: at it was because I did a book launch something 348 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: or other somewhere, you know, where you do a talk 349 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: about a book, and after it, a research scientist who 350 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: works on fish came up to me and said, I 351 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: want to give you the tip you need to look 352 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: at fish. Because her job was studying fish, and what 353 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 3: she was studying in particular was what happens to those 354 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: fish that have fed those seed oils. So they have 355 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: much higher rates of death, They are much less commercially 356 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: wiable because their skeletons are the rubbish. They die of 357 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: cancer much more quickly, they die of a whole bunch 358 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: of conditions that, you know, making money out of fish 359 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: kind of difficult, and so her job was to try 360 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: and figure out what to do about that. But she 361 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: was saying, you should have a look at this, not 362 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: just from the perspective of what it's doing to the fish, 363 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 3: but the fact that people it isn't generally known that 364 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: this is what's happening with farm fish anyway. 365 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: So are there any any fish options that get the 366 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: Gillespie tick. 367 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely wild caught fish, and in Australia we're really really 368 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 3: lucky that frequently one of our most popular fishes is 369 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 3: wild caught and that's barre mundy. 370 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: So I'm guessing anything in it can no. 371 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 3: Not necessarily, it's I wish it were that easy. I 372 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 3: wish it was easy enough that you could just say, oh, 373 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 3: this is definitely wildcourt or this is definitely not. But 374 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: what we want to try and encourage manufacturers to do 375 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: is say whether something is wild caught. The trouble is 376 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: that the percentage of fish that is actually available for 377 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 3: wild catching now is so small that if it's available, 378 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 3: it's going to be massively expensive. 379 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: Hey, here's my fish store. So Tony Robbins, you know 380 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: who he is? Yes, yep. So he was a vegan 381 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: or was it Yeah, he was a vegan for like 382 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: twelve years and he married this lady called Sage, and 383 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: I think she she encouraged him to start eating fish, 384 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: started eating fish, so veggies and fish and whatever, and 385 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: within a few years. So I just I just googled it. 386 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: I don't exactly know what the unit of measurement is, 387 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: but the mercury level, like the healthy mercury level is 388 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: around ten. His mercury level was one hundred and twenty three, 389 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: and you've. 390 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: Got to be really careful with mercury, and particularly in tuna. 391 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: Like he was basically dead, like they they had like 392 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: I think the point at which is meant to die 393 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: is eighty or ninety. He was one hundred and twenty three. 394 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Then he had to go through this like this whole 395 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: significant protocol to basically save his life. So I don't know, 396 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of fish he was eating, 397 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, mercury is an issue as well. 398 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it is for some types of fish, particularly 399 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: tuna and certain certain of the species of tuna. Unfortunately, 400 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: it's one of the most popular fishes consumed in the 401 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: world because you know, it's what you get in cans, 402 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: and a lot of people eat tuna, and there are 403 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 3: real recommendations about safe levels of consumption for tuna. There's 404 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: a chart I knocked together once for one of my books. 405 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: I think that shows the mercury levels of the various fishes. 406 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, it is something you have to watch out 407 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: for the way to avoid that. There's certain species of fish, 408 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: wild caught fish in and around Australia. I think I 409 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 3: can't remember the top of my head, but some of 410 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: the Australian salmon's and someone that have really really low levels. 411 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, I can dig out that data. But yeah, 412 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: it's a known issue with certain types of fish, particularly tuna. 413 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: But this is something else entirely quite apart from the 414 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: mercury killing you. You're also probably not getting what you 415 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 3: think you're getting on the tin, which is a primary 416 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: driver for a lot of people, at least those of 417 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: us who aren't Catholic and eating fish because it's Friday. 418 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: A primary driver for people consuming it is that they 419 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 3: think I'm eating this fish even if I don't particularly 420 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 3: like it, because I know it's you know, it's full 421 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 3: of Amiga three and good for me. 422 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, makes the criteria. Yeah, before you go, I wonder 423 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: if you could give us three minutes on you did 424 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: an article the other day, just just a snapshot, and 425 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: maybe we can go into it next time. But the 426 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: new study linking seed oil consumption with increased risk of 427 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: macular degeneration. 428 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, now that that was a quite an interesting one. 429 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: So this has been one that's been around for a while, 430 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: which is that the story has been there since the 431 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 3: nineteen sixties. There's in fact a Sydney doctor I think 432 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 3: his name was Mackay or McKay who first put it 433 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: out there and managed to get himself kicked off various 434 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: authority boards and someone for saying for daring to say this. 435 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: But he suggested that consuming seed oils and this is 436 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 3: very early on, so he's basically saying consuming margarines was 437 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: likely to be bad for macular degeneration. Now, macular degeneration 438 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: for the younger members of your audience, who probably haven't 439 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: encountered that much, is that I think it's the second 440 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: second biggest cause of vision loss in Australia, second or third, 441 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: and it is quite a nasty thing that basically you 442 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: lose the middle of your eyesight, so you know, the 443 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: middle of your field of vision is blacked out and 444 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: you can only see around the edge, which makes seeing 445 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 3: anything pretty hard. And it's a significant disease in old restraints. 446 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: It's becoming much much worse in younger Australians too. And 447 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: he said as far back as the seventies, I think 448 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: the cause of this is set or consumption, and he 449 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: gave really good reasons why, and it basically boils down 450 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: to our eyesight uses polyunsaturated fat the Amiga threes to 451 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: produce vision. In that the way we see things is 452 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: by exposing Amiga's three fats to light, which burns them, 453 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: and then so the pattern of it burning off in 454 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: our eyes essentially creates vision. And we have really sophisticated 455 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: systems in our eyes to clean up the rubbish that 456 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: gets created when you do something like that. The trouble 457 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: is our bodies not particularly picky about the fats that 458 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: it uses, and if it says so we've got mostly 459 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: Amega six fats, all good, I'll use them instead. Trouble 460 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 3: is our garbage disposal systems in our eyes don't know 461 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: how to deal with the garbage that's created from Amega 462 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: six fats. The study that I referred to in that 463 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: piece proved that point. So it proved that it is 464 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 3: in fact the case that if you increase the Amiga 465 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: six levels in the eyes, you produce maculate degeneration, and 466 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: they could reliably produce it, and they tracked through the 467 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: mechanism in a little more detail, following through on something 468 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 3: we've talked about before, which is the four hn E, 469 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 3: which is the extremely dangerous aldehyde, which is created from 470 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: a mega six fats that wasn't talked about back in 471 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 3: the old days. I hadn't discovered it, but that's all 472 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 3: part of the process. In long story short, the science 473 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 3: is right now really nailing what was previously just a guess, 474 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: a pretty educated guess, but a good one. The science 475 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 3: is now saying, yeah, well it is actually the a 476 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: mega six is. The interesting thing about that and a 477 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 3: few of the other things that I'm writing about at 478 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 3: the moment, is that there's a lot of science going 479 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: into now for any because the drug companies think there's 480 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 3: a pathway there to make money. If they can find 481 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: something that neutralizes for HN, and that's exactly what that 482 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: study was about, then hey you've got a pill that 483 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 3: someone can take that might help with macular degeneration and 484 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: half a dozen other things. So there's a lot of 485 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 3: drug company money going into this research at the moment, 486 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: which means enormous amounts of new research is being produced 487 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 3: on the dangers of seed oils that even ten years 488 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: ago just wouldn't have been imaginable. Because the drug companies 489 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: are chasing money in this area. 490 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, well wow, that'll be interesting to see what unfolds 491 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: in there in the near future. Mate, We appreciate you. 492 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: Apologies for starting a bit late. I blame Tiff and youtubee. 493 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: She's got a makeup on it. 494 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: You haven't, so who's really to blame? 495 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: Greak you too, Well, yeah, we'll let you two sort 496 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: out your holiday situation. For both of you on the 497 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: Sunshine Coast allegedly missus Gillespie. I apologize, we'll say goodbye 498 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: fair but for now, thanks again, mate, Friday, see you later.