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Speaker 1: Jay Combo, Welcome to the podcast, all the way from Florida.

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Speaker 2: That's right, baby Tampa, Florida, where it's sunny and hot

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Speaker 2: and muggy, and I'm heading to Mexico tomorrow. Unfortunately, there's

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Speaker 2: an ecological disaster in Mexico right now because the Sargasso

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Speaker 2: where I'm heading in Mexico in the Yucatan is flooding

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Speaker 2: the coastline. So it's literally a disaster for me and

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Speaker 2: my wife and my two daughters. We're having to figure

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Speaker 2: out like where we're.

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Speaker 3: Going to go.

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Speaker 2: But so honored to be here today. Brother, I'm grateful

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Speaker 2: and definitely humble and privileged to be here with you.

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Speaker 4: You've had a shocker on trips lately, because just tell

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Speaker 4: our list there's what we were talking about a second ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did very crazily. It was actually my first

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Speaker 2: time in New Zealand and first time in Australia. Well

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Speaker 2: that's not true. I flew into Sydney in my twenties,

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Speaker 2: but it was like layover, but first time on the

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Speaker 2: ground walking around. And I was supposed to speak in

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Speaker 2: a big bio hacking conference, in fact, the biggest biohacking

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Speaker 2: conference supposedly ever that put we put on in Australia

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Speaker 2: and it was put on by a person from the

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Speaker 2: Estates and the cyclone once every seventy year cyclone came

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Speaker 2: that it was actually the weekend before, but you know,

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Speaker 2: So I missed that and where I was staying in

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Speaker 2: the Gold Coast got flooded out from the cyclone. So

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Speaker 2: obviously it wasn't the best of circumstances. And now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm planning a vacation to Mexico and they're being hit

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Speaker 2: by horrific sergasso. That's like flooding the coastlines and it

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Speaker 2: smells nasty because rotting seaweed is not pleasant.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what's what's what you say?

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of. So Sargasso is basically a Latin

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Speaker 2: name for seaweed and it comes from the Sargasso Sea.

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Speaker 2: But it's basically like overgrown alga and then it sits

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Speaker 2: It's very difficult to deal with and disperse and obviously,

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Speaker 2: using the Mexican Navy. They're mobilizing the Mexican Navy to

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Speaker 2: obviously Mexico's entire country is based on tourism, and when

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Speaker 2: nobody's nobody's heading to. I mean, we were staying at

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Speaker 2: the Grand high End. I mean, I have a ten

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Speaker 2: the world. It's one of the most beautiful beaches in

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Speaker 2: It smells so bad that you can't even walk down

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Speaker 1: Oh that is a shocker.

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Speaker 2: Crazy.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, let's let's get on with a podcast to talk

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Speaker 4: about things that are a little bit lighter than that.

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Speaker 4: So you are, you're a Man's physic Champion, you're a

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Speaker 4: five times best selling author, and you're co founder of

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Speaker 4: Biolungevity Labs. So just just take on listeners through a

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Speaker 4: little bit of highlights of your career and why you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so basically, I'm fifty four years old,

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Speaker 2: I'm a dad, husband, obviously, e commerce entrepreneur, influencer, if

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Speaker 2: that's what you want to call me. I like to

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Speaker 2: tell people that I'm an online gypsy in my accountant's

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Speaker 2: work nightmare. I tell people this. Most people don't understand this.

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Speaker 2: Why I tell them the truth. I've been using peptids

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and four, for twenty one years, right,

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Speaker 2: until like the late, you know, twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen

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Speaker 2: in the clinical community. But I've been using them since

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four. And at the same time that

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Speaker 2: I was quote unquote biohacking or self experimenting on myself

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Speaker 2: with therapeutic testosterone with various delivery systems, I also started

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Speaker 2: book in twenty fifteen. His book was called Testoster and

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Speaker 2: Mooney was a physician that worked on men that were

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Speaker 2: that were diagnosed with HIV. And at that time, in

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Speaker 2: interesting time. And technically, like I said, thirteen years later,

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Speaker 2: people would see me and you know I was I

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Speaker 2: did not was not an entrepreneur. I was doing none

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Speaker 2: people would be like, wow, fascinating, tell me more.

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Speaker 4: Just to clarify the legal status of therapeutic testosterone and

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Speaker 2: The time, the performance enhancers by the way.

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Speaker 4: Yes right, yeah, but anyway, these thirty four players got banned.

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Speaker 2: And just to carry on the story, I eventually wrote

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Speaker 2: And then fast forward to here. Biolongevity Labs was founded

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Speaker 4: a medical need. But an individual can't purchase legally peptides

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean there's really not much difference, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Like in my company is a research chemical company. I

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Speaker 2: mean we sell bioregulators and small molecules that are perfectly legal.

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Speaker 2: They're found on Amazon, They're considered supplements by regulatory associations

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Speaker 4: So if you take a step back, Jay, sure, let's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And my answer to that is

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Speaker 2: of therapeutic testosterone as soon as a man has a

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00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: clinical need, which is so early nowadays, and it's not

432
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: true even though it's a myth that testosterone will make

433
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: you infertile. You have to use other fshe follicle stimulating

434
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: hormones and lutinizing hormone adjuncts or medicines or supplements to

435
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: make sure that you maintain modal sperm. But it's very simple.

436
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: I mean I was on therapeutic tesosceron for twelve years

437
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: before I have my two daughters, right, so I never

438
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: had an issue kids. And you just have to know

439
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: what to do. So number one, I always say that

440
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: before a person looks at peptides or anything down that

441
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: you know, call it growth hormone agonists or growth hormone

442
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: mediated pathway, you should look into hormones first, because, Paul,

443
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: if you don't have optimized hormones, and the majority of

444
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: the world does not, in fact they have a deficiency,

445
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: using peptides is like literally putting rubber bullets in your gun.

446
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: You're not going to get the same effect as somebody

447
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: that has a very powerful indocrine system, immune system, and

448
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: thyroid function. So hormones first, peptides next. Now to answer

449
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: your question, if you're going to talk about longevity, peptides,

450
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot to choose from.

451
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, not just before we jump bat too. Peptides straight,

452
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: So I will say that that he are the I

453
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 4: think hormones and hormone replacement therapies for books men and

454
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: women is much more prevalent in the longevity space. I know, yes,

455
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: I know quest a few doctors who will protest and

456
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: prescribe testosterone creams or injections for.

457
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: People who are low.

458
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: And I also know some blokes you tend to be older,

459
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: who are on replacement testosterone and I've gone, Holy fuck,

460
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 4: what a game change. But the product I want to

461
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 4: highlight to people is that you mentioning the impact on fertility.

462
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 4: So if you're younger and still wanting to be fertile,

463
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: there's other steps that you have to take.

464
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: What is what I'm hearing from.

465
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: You exactly and again it totally, It totally comes down

466
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: to what is your purpose? Right, Like most men who

467
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: are purposeless and have no vision or drive or anything,

468
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: it's because they lack the masculine essence and that is

469
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: directly responsible in counter and comes from therapeutic testoscerone or

470
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: I should just say a pulse of testoscerone. But so

471
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: many people don't have it. And again it's not their well.

472
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: They literally are born into an environment that is degraded

473
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 2: so bad. I mean, look, this is statistical fact. This

474
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: is in all my books. The men of the thirties

475
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: and forties and fifties had three times the level of

476
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: free testoscerone that men walking around the streets today do.

477
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: Get away, get away fact, dude.

478
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: There are multiple studies demonstrating this seven continental. There's one

479
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: called the Hebrew University study, and they did a patient

480
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: cohort population from nineteen seventy one to nineteen ninety six.

481
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: You can google this on all seven continents there was

482
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: like forty five thousand men and it showed that sperm

483
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: is one third and hormone levels free free circulating levels

484
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: of free testoscerone, which by the way, is the only

485
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: thing that matters. Total testoscerone is a meaningless number. Ninety

486
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: five percent of doctors don't even understand that. They don't

487
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 2: even understand the difference between free and total testoscerone. Total

488
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: testosterone is bound testoscerone in the human body. It is

489
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: completely unusable. The testosterone is bioactive and bioavailable, and it

490
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: is the amount that is readily available to the body,

491
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: male or female at any point in time in the day.

492
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: So measuring your total testosterone is a meaningless thing because

493
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: who cares you have to measure your free testosterone? I

494
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: literally will guarantee you, Paul, that ninety percent of the

495
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: practicing doctors in Australia don't even know that. Do you

496
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: realize that the majority of doctors in this world right

497
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: now who understand how to do this, do you know

498
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: where they got their information from?

499
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: Is that your book?

500
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: Me one hundred percent from both of my books. I mean,

501
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: that's been told to me thousands of times. I mean,

502
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: I have so many physicians, younger physicians, thank god, who

503
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: are really making a change and making a difference, you know,

504
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: have learned how to do this. I mean, obviously my

505
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: books are very very clinically written and have thousands of studies,

506
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: so they're very scientifically based. But to get back to

507
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: your question about you know, anti aging peptides, there's a

508
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: lot of really good ones. You always have to start

509
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: first with a growth hormone aagonist peptide. Right, there's three

510
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: primary ones, and that's testa morell and IPA morele and,

511
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: and then CJC one two ninety five. And you can

512
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: actually use those peptides in a blend. CJC and ip

513
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: are great, IPPA and tesla are great. It really depends,

514
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, when people ask me, well, which one should

515
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: I choose, it really depends on what your primary goal is.

516
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: Most men are fat, they have too much belly fat.

517
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: Clearly you're not. Clearly I'm not. But if you have

518
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: belly fat, TESTA morell and IPA morele and are great

519
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: because they're going to reduce the visceral fat body or

520
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: the adapacity of fat in the center mass better than

521
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: anything else. So always first focus on what is a

522
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: growth hormone agonus peptide because as you know, dude, as

523
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: we get older, growth hormone pulses lower or pancreas you know,

524
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: our insulin is over secreted, and you know, we just

525
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: stop producing natural IGF one production. So you want to

526
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: really look at improving IGF one production as you age.

527
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: So two christions on that Jay, What about semma Ellen?

528
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 4: Is that in the same bucket as Epra Marellen and

529
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: Tessa mare Ellen and the CJC On paper?

530
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: On paper, it is, but it's not in practice. And

531
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: so many doctors use Surmarrellen because there's a lot of

532
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: scientific studies on it, But honestly, in experiencing using between

533
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: those three and Cerma, I wouldn't even This is how

534
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: inefficient and ineffective Surmarillen is. It's not in my book.

535
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: I did not put it in my book. It's not

536
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: good enough. It does not hold up against those others.

537
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Three gh agonist peptides. And look, man, if we're going

538
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: to talk about growth hormone agonist peptids, we have to

539
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: talk about growth hormone.

540
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: Yes, and and sorry J before you dive into growth hormone,

541
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: just clarify for people what a growth hormone antagonist is.

542
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: So my understanding is it's up the g and it

543
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: it's stimulate. It's the release of growth chroma. So it's

544
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: just a cursor exactly.

545
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: You have you have two forms. You have a GHRH,

546
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: which is growth hormone releasing peptide or hormone, and then

547
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: you have GNRN and that's growth hormone. Shit now I

548
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: just lost it. My brain just melted down. But anyway,

549
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: you have those those two formats, and both of them

550
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: if you use them together, and that's why they stack

551
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: IPPA and CJC together or IPA and TESTA together, you

552
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: get the best of both worlds. Now, IPA morelean just

553
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: to speak about IPA morellan doesn doesn't increase cortisol or prolactin.

554
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: So that's the like one peptide, the growth hormone agaonus

555
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: peptide that in isolation is probably best used by both

556
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: men and women because there's no side effects, it's not

557
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: going to disturb your body's natural pituitary function. And again,

558
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: over time you can pulse it like two or three

559
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: times a day at like two hundred to three hundred micrograms,

560
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: and it will give you a pulse like it was

561
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: natural human growth hormone. And speaking of human growth hormone,

562
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: there's a lot of information online about growth hormone that

563
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: is bunk when I look at growth hormone and I

564
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: look at the science because a lot of people in

565
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: the medical literature or the medical community will say, oh,

566
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: it's it can cause cancer. Raising IGF too high is bad,

567
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, does bad things to the nad at

568
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: the cell. It can cause mitochondria. I mean, I've heard

569
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: it all, dude. And when I hear that, I laugh

570
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: because if you look at the research on growth hormone,

571
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: the research is in dwarfism. So it's in young men

572
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: and women who have ephesial plate growth issues that close

573
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: too early. And so what they do these kids so

574
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: that they're not three foot five and four foot dwarves

575
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: is they give them massive amounts of human growth hormone,

576
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, when they're young, to get them to go

577
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: through the growth the premature closing of the physical plates

578
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: so that they grow through it. And dude, they give

579
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: these kids, like I always have this when I'm on podcasts.

580
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: They give these kids a full pen of visor, genotrope

581
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: and growth hormone and they don't have side effects. The

582
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: side effects that these people show, and again this is

583
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: all in the demonstrated in the clinical research is from acromalogy,

584
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: which is when the bones overgrow right, so they get

585
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: like a jar head, you know, military looking, square jawline,

586
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: you know, protruded you know head or whatever. But again,

587
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: if you ask a dwarf would you rather be three

588
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: foot six or four foot tall versus having you know,

589
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: a pronounced you know, military look and face. I mean

590
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: they're all going to say I'd prefer to be tall,

591
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: and you know, people don't look at me strange. But

592
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they don't have side effects,

593
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: they don't have cancer, they don't have any of that stuff.

594
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: So it's mostly basked. And then I also look to

595
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: the bodybuilding world, right, yeah.

596
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: I was going to ask about the bodybuilding world and

597
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: bodybuilders who are overagging the putting, shall we say, because

598
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: you and I will both have seen these bodybuilders who

599
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: are have got so much muscle on them, right, and

600
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: they're completely ripped, but their stomach massively protrudes.

601
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and the reason is that that it it.

602
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: You know, their organs grow as well if they're taking

603
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: super physiologic levels, right, So yes.

604
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: And no, the organs are not growing. The organs are swelling,

605
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: so that will subside when they come down. But yes,

606
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: the question is yes. But again in that culture, they

607
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: are taking massive amounts of everything. It's polypharmacy. And you're

608
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: not seeing those guys die of cancer either. So what

609
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying is is that the concern about growth hormone,

610
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: and I'll caveat everything in the second is absolutely overblown.

611
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Here's what most people don't know about, Paul, And unfortunately

612
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't hear enough doctors talking about this, and it

613
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: blows my mind. IGF one naturally declines as we get

614
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: in as we get older. Let's just say that by

615
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: four five, and again IGF one is interstitial growth fluid,

616
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: which is obviously, as you know, which is the actual

617
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: fluid that's produced by the pituitary that increases natural growth

618
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: hormone production, or what is called indogenous growth hormone. And

619
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: as we get older, it just stops. And the fatter,

620
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: more inflamed, more insulin resistant you are, the less you're

621
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: going to be producing at all. People like me and you,

622
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: we probably have a little bit because we're leaner, we're

623
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: less inflamed, we have low insolar resistance, so our body

624
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: is probably functioning a little bit better. But in your fifties,

625
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: say let's say start at forty five, and then by

626
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: your fifties, you no matter what your health is, you

627
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: don't have much growth hormone. So if you're going to

628
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: take a peptide, and this is where people get confused,

629
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: what do peptides do? They stimulate the pituitary to release

630
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: more indogenous growth hormone. But if you don't have any

631
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: indogenous growth hormone and you take a peptide, how is

632
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: the peptide going to actually increase growth hormone? It's not.

633
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: Now people will debate me and argue and say that's

634
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: not true. There's this study. In that study, yeah, you know,

635
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: maybe a peptide will help a little bit somebody who's

636
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: not producing as much, but it's sure not going to

637
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: compete with growth hormone in a clinically precise for somebody

638
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: in their fifties and sixties and seventies. So I always

639
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: tell people like, look, man, if you can afford it.

640
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: And as you know this, dude, previously, before COVID, growth

641
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: formone was not affordable. It costs four or five thousand

642
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: dollars a month of American dollars to just do like

643
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: a microdes a growth formone. Yes, and so it was

644
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: like only very elite, very wealthy people. But just so

645
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: you know, dude, the elites and wealthy have been using

646
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: growth hormone for fifty years. I mean, this is what

647
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: they use. And you know, I know this things right,

648
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: like I work with a lot of these people. But

649
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you can now get

650
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: growth hormone in a pen again that Pfizer penn that

651
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: I just showed you, which is by far the best

652
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: growth hormone in the world, genotrope, and for four thousand

653
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: dollars for a year, for an entire year. So and

654
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: that's that's taking like one and a half to two

655
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: I use a day for a man, or maybe one

656
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: I use for a woman. And that's for most people.

657
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: That's affordable, especially considering that it used to be. You know,

658
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: and by the way, I should say this in the

659
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: United States right now, if you had a script for

660
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Tesla Morellan, which is called a grifta, which again is

661
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: still in the in the HIV community. It's fifty two

662
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: hundred hours, and that's worse script insurance.

663
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: So tesa ma ellen on a script is more expensive

664
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: than the.

665
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: Growth from an offshore pharmacy anywhere.

666
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 5: And just just to clarify, excuse me, excuse me, listeners,

667
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 5: I've got a horse throat at the but and that

668
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 5: amounted you were talking about the one point five to

669
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: two I use per day.

670
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: That is physiologic levels right back. And it's making the

671
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: distinction I think for people between the physiologic levels and

672
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: then the super physiological levels that a lot of bodybuilders

673
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: will take, whether it's our testosterone or all of the

674
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: stacks of anabolic steroids that that give these guys heart

675
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: disease if they're overegging it.

676
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: Nailed it, And and look that's what I'm about, right, Like,

677
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: I teach people how to use clinically precise dosages to

678
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: either slightly boost or replicate what they lost do to age. Right,

679
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: So when you do it this way, you can transform

680
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: your life. You know, you can massively slow and regress aging,

681
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: you can lower your biological age, you can completely reduce

682
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: inflammatory markers. I mean, there's so many things that you

683
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: can do. I mean when people say that, you already

684
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: kind of said it. You know, what are the best

685
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 2: drugs for longevity? I mean the three primary there's really four.

686
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: The four primary paths for longevity is endocrine system optimization,

687
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: thyroid optimization, pancreat optimization. Right because the pancrea is I mean,

688
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: we die due to the level of inflammation on our bodies, right,

689
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: because inflammation is what leads to cellular degradation. Cellular degradation

690
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 2: creates disease of whatever form it is. So the leaner

691
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: that when people ask me, like, what's the number one

692
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: way I can live the longest, I always say be lead.

693
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: Statistically proven, the leaner you are, the longer you will live,

694
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: assuming you don't get in a plane, crash, or hit

695
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: by a car. You know what I'm saying. So like,

696
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: the leaner you are, the longer you will live. So like,

697
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: how do I become lean and how do I maximize

698
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: my longevity by keeping your body fat as a man

699
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: between ten and fifteen percent and as a woman somewhere

700
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: between twenty two and seventeen percent. You know, some women

701
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: can probably function around fifteen or sixteen, but that's super elite.

702
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Women always have more body fat for evolutionary biological purposes

703
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: because of obviously they're maternal, they raise children. They have

704
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: to have that internal fat. You can't even measure it,

705
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: but it's always there. But that's what you do. You

706
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: keep your body fat between twelve and fifteen percent year round.

707
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 2: As a man and as a woman, you're somewhere between,

708
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: like I said, seventeen and twenty two, and statistically you

709
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: will live longer than anyone. And again going back to

710
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: the pathways that you got to support and optimize as

711
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: you age, the endocrine system, and you can obviously do

712
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: that through either natural means or therapeutic testosterone. The pituitary

713
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: again through growth hormonagnous peptides or growth hormone. And again

714
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: at my age, I'm fifty four, you know, I prefer

715
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: a microdose of growth hormone Monday through Friday or Monday

716
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: through Saturday. That's what I do. I definitely use obviously

717
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: all sorts of peptides, mitochondria peptides, which we can talk

718
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: about at some point because I love talking about those,

719
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: but I use that. And then for my thyroid I

720
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: use desiccated which is poor scene thyroid, because desicated thyroid

721
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: is T one, T two, T three, and T four,

722
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: which is all four active thyroid hormones. Now in the

723
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: medical literature they like to give people T three and

724
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: T four, which are the two drugs, or CytoML or synthroid.

725
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Those are really bad drugs because they don't treat the

726
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: downstream thyroid hormones T one and T two, and once you,

727
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: like anything, once you when you're only treating a portion

728
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 2: and not all of it, you're gonna end up having

729
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: a lagging indicator or just basically some part of it

730
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: it declines. So all these men and women that are

731
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: on T three and T four from these again medication

732
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: synthroid or sideaml, they usually end up with the damaged thyroid.

733
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: Desicated thyro does not disturb in most people natural thyroid.

734
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: So you can take a small dose along with your

735
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: therapeutic testosterone or your therapeutic hormones. If you're a woman,

736
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: you might be on estradiol and progesterone as well, and

737
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: that will bump your temperature and your basal meta but

738
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: look great, just slightly to keep up with a testosterone. Now,

739
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: the last thing to address outside of growth hormone thyroid

740
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: and testosterone, is insolent sensitivity and by far the best

741
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: drug in the world and always will be. And this

742
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: will be proven statistically and scientifically within the next two

743
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: years when the Tame trial ends. Is met forman now

744
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: met foreman is also maligned because it's a type two

745
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: diabetics drug, and the medical industry slash establishment, the medical mafia,

746
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: let's call them, that they teach doctors in one oh

747
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: one level classes that it causes lactic acidosis and kidney

748
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: issue use, which is the biggest hunk of bullshit in

749
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: the history of the world. I've written an article so

750
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: old now I laugh. It's from twenty nineteen. It's ten

751
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: thousand words. It's published in Harvard, It's published on EEDU.

752
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: It basically goes through all of the benefits of met

753
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: forman and all of the negatives, the so called negatives

754
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: of met forman, and what it can do and what

755
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: it might do. And like I said, it's ten thousand

756
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: word article. And there's no one on this planet even

757
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: to this day, that has been able to come to

758
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: me and disprove that it's not a beneficial drug. Now, remember,

759
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: it's not really a drug, it's a plant. That grows

760
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: wild in the fields the in the of France. It's

761
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: I forget what it's say. It's like the French lee

762
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: lack official official aalys or something. And again big farm

763
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: of patented it and made it into a drug. But it's

764
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: absolutely a plant. And what it does pull better than

765
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: anything else, including berberin, including ala, including all these other

766
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: different glucose disposal agents. It increases Acramancia muscillus, which is

767
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: the heart, the helpful beneficial microbes that grow in the

768
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: stomach and in the microbiome that prevent It prevents candida,

769
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: It prevents you know, again, anything that can inflame the

770
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: microbiome or the gut, and so if you have healthy

771
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: levels of that, you're pretty much impervious to everything. In fact, dude,

772
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: there's like now fifty studies on PubMed that show that

773
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: people that were using that forman during COVID never got sick.

774
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: It's interesting, I didn't know that that Foreman had an

775
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: impact on the gut microbiome. For a little bit of

776
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: context for our listeners, Sam and you can jump in

777
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: and odd depths to this story.

778
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: So Mett Foreman.

779
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: Caused big waves in the longevity space. A number of

780
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: years ago when there was that study which I'm sure

781
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: you're familiar with, that showed that function. Well, no, the

782
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 4: ones that diabetics I'm talking who were on mat form

783
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 4: and lived right. And then there was a second study

784
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 4: that came out that kind of negated those findings. And

785
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: there was some criticism of the first study because some

786
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: people who had pre existing conditions and they were really

787
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 4: out of it. But anyway, there's a big team trial

788
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: going on, so talk about the team trial. But then

789
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 4: I have seen some other studies around and other benefits

790
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: of met foreman, right, And then I'd like you to

791
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 4: ask the question or answer the question about from your perspective,

792
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: does taking met forman inhibit some of the benefits of

793
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 4: exercise if you are exercising them currently taking met forman? Right,

794
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: I think if you can't exercise, met forman is a

795
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: no brainer. But clarified that question, and I will tell

796
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: us about the team study the answer.

797
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: So let me go from the beginning. So Neil Burr's

798
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: all lie as a friend of mine because he knows

799
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm a huge met form and supporter and he's obviously

800
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: read my article and my thesis and all that stuff,

801
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: and so he's been kind of letting me know that

802
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to be validated at some point very soon.

803
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: So when the information comes out about the tame trial,

804
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: the world is going to know that everything all the

805
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: people and there's obviously it's not just me and smart people.

806
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that know the metforum is amazing.

807
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: But met Forman will be validated. Now to your question

808
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: about does it rate? Does it limit M tour signaling

809
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: which could functionally limit power output? It does. But here's

810
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: the thing, and you know, I've had debates with some

811
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: really very smart people. Stand efforting shout out to the rhino.

812
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: He's like one of the world's like smartest powerlifters and strongman,

813
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: and he's a really smart guy scientist, and him and

814
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: I have openly debated this in public forums and at

815
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: symposiums and stuff like that. But basically I got him

816
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: to say that because he was against met forman up

817
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: for a long time. But then once he really started

818
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: looking into the research, he was like, Wow, He's like,

819
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: I guess that my guys, meaning his strength athletes, you

820
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: know again, and these are world class powerlifters should come

821
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: off of met form in ten days before a meet

822
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: Now why is he saying that Because met Foreman is

823
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: so powerful at the cellular level in regulating NAD plus,

824
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 2: in regulating mitochondrial output, that it does suppress M tour

825
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: signaling so much that it can like reduce force output.

826
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: So if you're a and again think about this for

827
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: a second, if you're a world class strong man and

828
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: you need to generate maximum torque and force production in

829
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: your lift, then yes, you should not be on met

830
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: format about ten days somewhere between ten and fourteen days

831
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: before your meet because it's very transient in the cell

832
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: that it does this. And again, met Foreman does so

833
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: many and this is where stand comes in and agrees

834
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: with me. It does so many other amazing things for

835
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: cellular health and for life extension that he believes that

836
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: everybody should be on it. Now, remember, world class power

837
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: athletes or strength man are fat guys. You know, they're inflamed.

838
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: They have high A one C levels. I mean, if

839
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: you've ever been to a power you know, what do

840
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: you call it? Like a world class powerlifting event or

841
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: a strong man competition? These dudes are fat, like they're

842
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: strong as hell, but they are not healthy. I mean,

843
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: these are guys I mean, when you see them finish

844
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: their moves, they're ever on the side and they're like

845
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: you're looking at them like, oh shit, this guy's gonna

846
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: code right, because they're just not in good hell. So

847
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: Stan has admitted that he thinks that it's a great

848
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: product to take for very very strong people who are

849
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: not in the best of heart health and not in

850
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: the best metabolic health because they eat too much to

851
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: be again, they're world class strength athletes, but as far

852
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: as people because they also this is also a myth

853
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: that's out there it suppresses testosterone or it suppresses underconfunction.

854
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: Anything that it's ever done in anyone at any study

855
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: level was transient. So it's not going to like if

856
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: you take five hundred milligrams AM and PM, or if

857
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: you're a woman and you take two fifty and two fifty,

858
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: it's not going to suppress your natural testosterine function or

859
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: out any more than just a tiny bit within probably

860
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: the hour of you taking it. So and I always

861
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: say this, like, and obviously you know my opinion on

862
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: hormone optimization. If you're hormonally optimized, it makes no difference

863
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: or benefit at all. If you're not, it could affect

864
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: you from having like if you're a three hundred and

865
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: fifty three testosterone level, it could lower you to three

866
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: twenty five before you before you train, or in that

867
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 2: transient window that you took it in that hour after

868
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: you took it. But is that really gonna have a

869
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: beneficial or negative effect to you overall in your life

870
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: and your training or in your force production. No, it's not.

871
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: And so and again, I know thousands of people who

872
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 2: are not hormonally optimized who use met form and they've

873
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: all told me, most of them that initially. And this

874
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: is something too that we should talk about. Like if

875
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: you have an inflamed microbiome and you start taking met

876
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: form and you're gonna you're gonna get You're not gonna

877
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: get sick, You're gonna feel like shit, Like you're gonna

878
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: feel nauseous and queasy because it's literally upregulating the good,

879
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: healthy intestinal fauna and microbes to kill whatever shit you

880
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: got growing in your stomach. And again, dude, most people

881
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: today have stuff that their stomach is inflamed, their gun

882
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: is inflamed. So like you're gonna see a six to seven,

883
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: maybe even eight to nine day window where you're gonna

884
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 2: have to have that stuff killed off, and met Forman

885
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: is going to do an amazing job of doing that.

886
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: So you kind of have to just like I always say,

887
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: you got to like gut, you know, literally and figuraly

888
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: gut your way through it, and and then once it

889
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: kills everything in your microbiome, you'll be fine. And so,

890
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, I've been on met Forman

891
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty I'm sorry, two thousand and two. So

892
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: I've been on it now for twenty two, twenty three

893
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: years now. I've experimented with that hydro berber and come

894
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: off of it completely. I'm also now using a microdose

895
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: of Jardians because jar Dance is you know, an SGL

896
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: two inhibitor, and it's an amazing longevity drug. It increases HDL,

897
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: it does a lot of amazing things. But I will

898
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: always use met form and again just because I want

899
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: to be protected in my microbiome from all the goddamn

900
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: toxic exposure we have globally, and then you never know

901
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: when they're gonna hit us with their next bioweapon, you

902
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

903
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: So, So let's so we talked about met form and

904
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: you've talked about so if we just recap a little bit.

905
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 4: So your advice around longevity is optimize your hormones first,

906
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 4: and then potentially we're into peptides slash stuff like met

907
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: forman to manage your inchinin levels. And you then talked

908
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: about the mitochondria, and I do want it before we

909
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: finished and jump jump into the mitochondria because for me,

910
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: that's where a lot of health starts or stops at

911
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 4: the mitochondria.

912
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 2: So it starts there.

913
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: So give us the low down on mitochondrial optimization, and

914
00:48:53,120 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: not just from a exogenous chemicals or peptides perspective, but uh, like,

915
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: let's talk about exercise. Let's talk about red light red

916
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: light therapy if you if that's something that you're into.

917
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: So of course I have a I have a Trifecta

918
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: pro four fifty bed in my in my biot, dude,

919
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: I have everything.

920
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 4: Man, I'm presumably sorry, presumably jay that is producing both

921
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: red light and nearer for red light. So give give

922
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 4: our listeners maybe the two minute overview on light therapy,

923
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: because if people haven't heard this, it's going to spin

924
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 4: them out, like I think this ship is.

925
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to grab a book. I want to

926
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: of course I usually have it right here access to me,

927
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: and now I can't find it. But it's from doctor

928
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 2: Carl Rothschild, and people hear the name Rothschild. Here's here's

929
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: Ari Whitten's book. This is actually old, but there was

930
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: a new book, a new red light book that came

931
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: out last year. This is like the first you know, scientifically, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

932
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: And that's just from Ari. Ri is a good friend whatever.

933
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: But but the newest book, which is I think it's

934
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: called Subliminal Healing and it's again by doctor Carl Rothschild,

935
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: and I don't you can fact check me. That's probably

936
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: not the title, but it's something like that. But he

937
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: basically has all the newest studies. Now here's when I'm

938
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: gonna like throw you for a loop. Most red light

939
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: technology is worthless because it's Chinese grade and it doesn't

940
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: have a medical grade signature, and it's not producing an

941
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 2: energy signature whether it's near infrared or red light that's

942
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: deep that's strong enough to get into the cells. And

943
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: that's the problem is the majority of red light technology

944
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: on this planet is absolute garbage.

945
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 4: The par I put the wattage that it's producing, the

946
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: wats whatever exactly what's the energy signature.

947
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent the energy signature. And sadly the

948
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: Chinese everybody that was first getting into the red light

949
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: fora I mean, you know this, it's a cottage industry.

950
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: Now everybody sells something red light, but the majority of

951
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: the technology is worthless. And that's why if you buy

952
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: doctor Carl Rothchild's book, and again I apologize, I don't

953
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: know where it is. I can't find it. I usually

954
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: have it right next to me to talk about this.

955
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: It talks about the signature necessary for both to really

956
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: feel it and true story when I was using juve,

957
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, because I was a spokesperson or an influencer

958
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: or whatever where they called me a spokesperson model or

959
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: whatever for them for a long time. You know, we

960
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: had the eleven thousand dollars device and we stood in

961
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: front of it and I would say to my wife,

962
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: do you think it's doing anything? And she's like, yeah,

963
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: you know, I mean other than us taking pictures of

964
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: putting them on social media. I don't remember when I

965
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: got this device two years ago, the first session, I

966
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: was like, holy shit, this is what red light, this

967
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: is what people were talking about now again, my device

968
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: costs eighty thousand dollars the average person, Dude, the best

969
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: devices cost one hundred and sixty. I have the highest

970
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 2: quality of the best tech from an energy signature standpoint,

971
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: at the cheapest price in the marketplace. So again, it's

972
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: another scam because a lot of people are buying these

973
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars, three hundred dollars whatever they get, you know, devices,

974
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: and they're getting nothing. They're getting absolutely nothing. When you

975
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: lay in a red light medical grade signature, near infrared

976
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: and red light device, you absolutely get cellularly upregulated. Your

977
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: mitochondria are turned on, you get better skin quality, you

978
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: get better energy. I mean again, you know what the

979
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: mitochondria are responsible for. Most people are not getting it.

980
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: They're not getting it because they're not getting the right

981
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: energy signature. Now again, I'm not going to say out

982
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: here and disparage companies. There's probably a ton of companies

983
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: now that are putting out the right energy signature and

984
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: they probably are under a thousand bucks. And I don't know,

985
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: but if you really want to feel a medical grade

986
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: red light signature, you got to get in one of

987
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: these high end beds and you need to lay in it.

988
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: For twelve to fifteen minutes just to feel it, because

989
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: most people never feel that.

990
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 4: And let's talk about the mechanisms. So when there is

991
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: good quality right the the the rere light itself will

992
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: will have a big impact on the skin and one

993
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: healing burns.

994
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: Like there's so much.

995
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 4: I wrote a chapter in this in my book like

996
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: the the the the impact on and I actually have

997
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: have used it. I had open heart surgery and the

998
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 4: healing of my Scott.

999
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, really really quick.

1000
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 4: Everything and in the near infrared penetrates deeper into the body,

1001
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: activates the mitochondria, particularly cydochrome ser oxydes in the electron

1002
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: transport shed talk to talk to people about why real

1003
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 4: light and other things to support the mitochondria. Why this

1004
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 4: is really important for our overall health.

1005
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: It's massive and I'll just add the other things. So

1006
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: this is a new technology that I just got in

1007
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: my house. I should have it in my house. In February,

1008
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: I was I was supposed to come back from Kiwiville

1009
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: and Australia with this thing in my house and it

1010
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: was just delayed and delayed and delay. But besides medical

1011
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: grade red light and neur infra red light ozone and

1012
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: oxygen perfused into the tissue is amazing, like absolutely amazing.

1013
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: So I have this device. It's in my master bathroom.

1014
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: Why my wife and I literally Paul remodeled our bathroom

1015
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: just to get this device in there. It's called the Neat,

1016
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: the Bamini Needy, the Beamini Nanojet, and it is a

1017
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: giant tub that functions as a hyperbaric oxygen chamber, and

1018
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: so this tub will go down to freezing so you

1019
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: can do cold plunges or what goes up to one

1020
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: hundred and five so you can do like a you know,

1021
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: a jacuzzi steaming hot. My wife and I just keep

1022
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: it at like one hundred and one to one hundred

1023
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: and three year round and just get it in there. Bro,

1024
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: I get in the I'm not joking, but I'm home.

1025
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: I get in that thing at least twice a day,

1026
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: and sometimes three times a day. Now I only use

1027
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: my red light device probably like once every other day.

1028
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes I get in it weekly. But if you use

1029
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: red light and then jump in that and profuse your

1030
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: tissues with oxygen and ozone, bro, there's no that's the

1031
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: ultimate biohack. I mean, I feel like I'm getting younger,

1032
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm performing better in the gym, my strength training, I'm

1033
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: getting stronger, I'm getting more muscular, I'm getting leaner. That

1034
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: is the ultimate one. Two combo is medical grade and

1035
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: you're ine for red red light and then ozone and

1036
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: oxygen perfused into the tissues. And so what that is

1037
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 2: is it's just a giant Jacouzzi tub above ground and

1038
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: you just get in it and you hit oxygen sensor

1039
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: on it. It's you know, all push button and it

1040
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: just starts perfusing ozone and oxygen into the water. And

1041
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: so you can if you want to go under. I

1042
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: don't ever go under. I just lay down and I

1043
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: breathe in and do breathing exercises and getting in and

1044
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: it's insane. It's insane.

1045
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: What so I'll get into you in a second. That

1046
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 4: mechanism of why that's additive. What what about methylene blue

1047
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 4: with red light therapy?

1048
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: Are you using their way from methylene blue?

1049
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: It is real bad moves because it's doing things you

1050
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 3: talked about cydochrome and see it's doing a lot of

1051
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: things that are negative.

1052
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: It has short term benefits, but long term I would

1053
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: stay away from methylene blue. It's not good. Most of

1054
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: the studies on methylene blue doing beneficial things are flawed.

1055
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: And just so you know, I was using methylene blue

1056
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, and thankfully my wife and I were

1057
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 2: literally like getting the blue tongue and we'd be looking

1058
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: at each other like does it do anything for you?

1059
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: And she was like, no, does it do anything for you? No?

1060
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: And this is my pet theory. I don't think anyone

1061
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: who has hormones, who has optimized hormones feels the benefit

1062
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: of methylene blue. People without optimized hormones feel the mental

1063
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: the dopamine signaling effect, but you don't feel that if

1064
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: you have hormones, if you're optimized hormones, because you already

1065
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: have incredibly enhanced dopamine signaling. But there's a lot of

1066
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: stuff that's coming out about methylene blue right now that

1067
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: is not good. It's also doing things. It's also doing

1068
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: things in your body. That chemical array that is being

1069
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: released in your body can cause let's just call it

1070
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: free oxy radical build up and and and produce. I

1071
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: would actually say enhance sinessen cell formation that it's I mean,

1072
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't touch methylene blue. I would stay away from

1073
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: methylene blue. And I know it's all the rage right

1074
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: now and people are talking about methylene blue. And I

1075
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: do know there is some enhanced dopamine signaling and people

1076
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: feel a cognitive boost from it, but I would stay

1077
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: away from it. I've never been a proponent of it.

1078
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: And now that I started seeing some new stuff on it,

1079
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, now I know why, but I

1080
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: don't like the medical grade red light and neurine for

1081
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: red light. And then whether you use a hyperbaric chamber

1082
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: or you get one of the technologies that I have.

1083
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: They even sell a portable device so you can put

1084
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: the portable device in your tab and it's just as

1085
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: effective as having the nice one. And by the way,

1086
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: the one that I have is thirty is thirty grand okay?

1087
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: And and and the purpose of that is that enhancing

1088
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: oxygen delivery to the mitochondria or is there a separate right.

1089
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: No, no noder. So it's so basically it's like a

1090
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: double z app right, like if you go I've learned

1091
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: the hard way. If you do that first and then

1092
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 2: get into the red light bed, you literally are sitting

1093
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: in the red light bed and you get out of

1094
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: the red light bed and your the red light bed

1095
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: is a notionan because it's just turned on your mitochondria

1096
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: from all this the perfusion in the mitochondria and now

1097
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: the red light's activating it. So you're just like sitting

1098
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: there and you get out of the red light bed

1099
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: in twelve minutes and you're soaked like your body. I mean,

1100
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: you talk about like a furnace, a metabolic furnace. It's

1101
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: like boom. But if you do the opposite, and you

1102
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: do the red light first and then you get into

1103
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: the profusion and then you go train, you just are

1104
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: an animal. I mean you have like I mean I would.

1105
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: Actually this is my opinion and I have no way

1106
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: to verify this, but I think you have about a

1107
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: ten to twelve percent performance enhancement. It's insane, which for

1108
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: guys like us is a lot, right, Like that's three

1109
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: or four more reps. That's better recovery. You know, you

1110
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: can shorten your rest intervals. I mean it's noticeable, much

1111
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: more noticea when I track everything, so like I know

1112
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: when I'm like whoa, you know, But like I said, dude,

1113
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: I literally get in that thing. I'm addicted to it.

1114
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: I get in that thing twice a day, usually fifteen

1115
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: to twenty minutes. I take my phone, I take my books.

1116
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: I'll read. You know, somebody's got to invent something where

1117
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: I could put like a book as I underneath it

1118
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: so I can just turn the pages because I hate

1119
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: holding onto my phone. Dude, fuck these screens man.

1120
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: So Jake, just to summarize, because we picked through a

1121
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 4: ship lot stuff to that you got going so from

1122
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 4: from a bio hacking perspective, if you were to design

1123
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 4: and look, I know the caveat here is that it

1124
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 4: is going to be different for different people. But just

1125
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 4: let's say you got somebody in the middle age who

1126
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 4: just isn't feeling great and once, what's the best bio

1127
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: hacking stack for me? What would you be saying from

1128
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 4: a generic perspective?

1129
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: First, first order businesses, get your labs done, get blood

1130
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: work done. Understand if you have a hormone deficiency, because

1131
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: obviously you know, as much as I support therapeutic hormones,

1132
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: if you're anally retentive and you know, super diligent, I

1133
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: think you could probably optimize you know, not as well

1134
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: as with hormones, but get close by just changing your

1135
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: lifestyle living in soolin controlled you know, start exercising. You know,

1136
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: people say, what does that mean, Jay, when you say

1137
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: live in saline control, It means regulate your carbohydrate consumption.

1138
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: You know, the great Charles Poloquin, the great Charles Pollquin

1139
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: said you get your carbs when you deserve them, right,

1140
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: So it's.

1141
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Like, and now, Jerry, all, I'm not sorry.

1142
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: I think we should reneeme diabetesis carbohydrate intolerance right exactly.

1143
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: That would be a game too.

1144
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 4: And now, very good parton. I'm glad you started with that.

1145
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: Get your fundamentals right. There's no point and going and

1146
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 4: doing all this stuff if you're eating a shit diet

1147
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: and not exercising and your sleep's crap, right, so your

1148
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 4: short your fundamentals are at worst, then horble.

1149
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: Control living is number one. Once you're insulin control living

1150
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: and you can see clearly and you can think clearly,

1151
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: then it's obviously like, you know, what does your exercise

1152
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: routine look like? Are you doing resistance training? Are you

1153
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: doing some form of cardiovasco training? You should always do both.

1154
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: You know, I have all these guys who say I

1155
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: don't need to do cardio, my rest intervals are short

1156
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: in my lifting, and I laugh in their face and

1157
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: I say, bro, you don't even understand the purpose of cardio.

1158
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: The purpose of cardio is to prevent vascular defect and

1159
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: illness and dysregulation as you get older, and lifting weights

1160
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: is not going to strengthen the vascular network like cardio is.

1161
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: So it's crazy that these guys think that by lowering

1162
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: their rest intervals are going to get cardiovascular benefit. But

1163
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: so obviously live insulin first, get lab work. Understand if

1164
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: you have a hormone deficiency, start living insulin controlled. You

1165
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: can do that. At the same time, beyond the foundations,

1166
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: getting seven to eight hours of sleep a night, hopefully

1167
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, deep, reastful sleep. You know, have good sleep hygiene,

1168
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: black out your room, no technology, turn off your Wi Fi,

1169
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You know, again, combination of resistance training

1170
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: and obviously cardiovascal training. And then if you have a

1171
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: hormone deficiency, investigate using therapeutic hormones. If you're too cheap,

1172
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: too afraid, or too cheap to do that, then you know,

1173
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: change your lifestyle. You know, change your clothing that you wear.

1174
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: Stop wearing polyester, stop wearing you know, non breathable clothing

1175
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 2: that prevents hormones and does all these other things. I mean, again,

1176
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: there's so many, the list is endless. But again, the

1177
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: biggest tool in the tool belt for sure is optimizing

1178
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: your hormones with therapeutic testosterone. And if you're a woman

1179
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 2: you might need you know, estra dial and progesterone two,

1180
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: and sometimes men need both of those as well as

1181
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: they get older. So make sure you're obviously working hopefully

1182
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: depending on where you live, with a physician who understands

1183
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: how to hormonally optimize. You do not work with a

1184
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: general practitioner a family doctor because they're clueless. And then

1185
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: from there, you know. My peptide stack of choice would

1186
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: be again a growth hormone AGUS peptide, either testing for CJC,

1187
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: mitochondrial peptide. My favorite is SS thirty one, which is

1188
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: an amplifier peptide, So anything else that you take, if

1189
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: you use SS thirty one, you can lower the dose

1190
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: up and because it literally will amplify the cellular cascades

1191
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: and the cellular signaling. So again it's a mitochondrial peptide

1192
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: by trade, but it does so many amazing things, and

1193
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: all you need is a micro dose of that peptide,

1194
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: so you can take like two hundred and fifty to

1195
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: five hundred micrograms every other day and get awesome benefit

1196
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: from that. From that, you know, if you want a nootropic,

1197
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: you would take a Cimax. Dihexa are my two favorite.

1198
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: You know. We my company at Biolongevity Labs, we make

1199
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: a nootropic oral product right now that is by far

1200
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: the number one nootropic in the world. It's called Biomind

1201
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: and it has three different two small molecules. One peptide

1202
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: has dihexa. It has a new product that nobody even

1203
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: knows about yet called J one forty seven and it's

1204
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: actually a stage two Alzheimer's drug for NERD genitive disease,

1205
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: and it's amazing. I mean, you should see what they're

1206
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: getting back on people that are in the stage trials

1207
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: on it. So we actually have that in our formulation.

1208
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: And then we also have new pep which you're probably

1209
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: familiar is a really powerful race attam but that peptide

1210
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: stack slash small molecule stack is without a doubt the

1211
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: number one in the world. We have tons of a

1212
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: list people and you know, famous athletes are already using

1213
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: it right now. But that's what I would use one

1214
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: hundred percent. And again it's just an oral capsule, so

1215
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: you can take two in the morning, and it's amazing me.

1216
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: Think what else would I do.

1217
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: If you're red light therapy?

1218
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you're injured. I was going to

1219
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: get to that in a second, but if you're injured,

1220
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: you know you want to always have VPC or TV

1221
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 2: five hundred. Cardillacs is also a new injectable bio regulator

1222
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: that is actually helping to reboost or reboot cartilage. So

1223
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of in the Holy Grail. Is

1224
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: like cartilage regeneration is very difficult to get by. You

1225
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: know a lot of people will say, you know, you

1226
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: can use PRP or stem cells or extrasomes in a

1227
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: co press spine, but you really can't. But Cardillacs we've

1228
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: seen people use that and it is helping to regenerate

1229
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: nerve fiber bundles around damage bone on bone spine. So

1230
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: that's that's one to look at. And then you know,

1231
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: outside of peptides or supplements for sure, medical grade red

1232
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: light you know, three or four days a week. I mean,

1233
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: if you're acutely injured, you already said it, and you

1234
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: have autoimmune disease or you have, you know, a horrible disease.

1235
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: You could get in that thing for twenty minutes a day,

1236
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: every single day. I mean, it helps against everything. I

1237
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: know people that have what do you call it epilepsy

1238
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: that use it. You know, people that have MS, multiple sclerosis.

1239
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: It helps with that. So it does so many amazing things.

1240
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: But I mean, again, you know, it's obviously relative to

1241
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: your level of acute injury. And then perfusion with oxygen

1242
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: and nozone. Now there are other products out in the marketplace, Paul.

1243
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: There's the hoe cat, but that thing's like eighty five

1244
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: or ninety thousand, you know, clinics have that, and then

1245
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: h bots in a real h BOT is one hundred k.

1246
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 4: So just for the people who don't understand that hyperboweric

1247
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: oxygen therapy correct. So it's like this capsulity get in

1248
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 4: and did.

1249
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: Honestly, the two smartest guys in the world with h

1250
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: POT and they're very good personal friends of mine, doctor

1251
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: Scott Sheer and doctor what is the name Jason Saunders,

1252
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: the two leading guys. They both told me.

1253
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 4: They both told me because I got Jason Saunders on

1254
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 4: my podcast before.

1255
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: Jason's awesome dude, I love Jason. So anyway, those guys

1256
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: are geniuses and I've known them forever. And I talked

1257
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: to both of them in November and December because that's

1258
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: what we were thinking about this year. We were thinking

1259
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: about getting one of those because they have them in

1260
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: China right now. Do they have the medical grade steel

1261
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: ones in China And they'll ship them to you for

1262
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: like fifty K. And so I was thinking about putting

1263
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: a room out in my back where my backyard is,

1264
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: and just putting it out there and having you know,

1265
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: a contractor build a room for it. And we could

1266
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: do it because my wife when she had surgery, used

1267
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: it to heal and it was amazing. And they do work.

1268
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: You know that, they're amazing. But dude, both of those

1269
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: guys told me, do not, under any circumstance put one

1270
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: of those in your house. And I was like, why,

1271
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: It's like, because they blow up, No Jesus, when they depressurize,

1272
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: they blow up, and dude, I shit you not. Like

1273
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: two months after that, Jason sent me a link to

1274
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: a place in Oakland, Michigan, which is like a really

1275
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: wealthy suburb outside of Detroit, and sure enough, a mom

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Speaker 2: and her twelve year old son and the nurse practitioner

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Speaker 2: the mom. The twelve year old was in it when

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Speaker 2: it blew up and he was gone, and the mom.

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Speaker 2: The mom was killed after going to the hospital, and

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Speaker 2: the nurse practitioner lost both of her arms. And so, dude,

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Speaker 2: I'm not joking and I'm not trying to put fear

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Speaker 2: into people's minds, but I mean, you're dealing with a

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Speaker 2: very high end, medical grade device that you know is pressurized.

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Speaker 6: So I don't think you want to be anywhere from

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Speaker 6: you can get You can get this thirty thousand dollars

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Speaker 6: tub and leave it on at all time and just

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Speaker 6: get in it twice a day, and if you're sick

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Speaker 6: or injured, you could get it in five I mean,

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Speaker 6: you could send it for two hours a day.

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Speaker 2: It will heal you, dude. The first session, the first session,

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Speaker 2: I already told you about the red light. The first

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Speaker 2: session of that, I was like, I feel my airways expanding,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, I'm a highly conditioned athlete with super low

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Speaker 2: body fat and I just felt it. Like the first day,

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is insane. And now I've had

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Speaker 2: it in my house for two months and I'm completely

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Speaker 2: addicted to it. I mean, I think it's the future.

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Speaker 2: You know, you'll probably eventually see a lot of people

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Speaker 2: supporting it. They ground a bunch of pro athletes with it,

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Speaker 2: but they don't have a lot of influencers promoting it yet.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's the next big thing because again,

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Speaker 2: it's one third the cost of a hyperbaric chamber.

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Speaker 1: And it's a it's a bendoning.

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Speaker 2: It's b a SB you'll link, but it's b i

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Speaker 2: am Ni Bemini, which is the fountain of youth in Spanish,

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Speaker 2: and it's basically I think it's Beamini. Hold on, let

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Speaker 2: me let me just before I give you butcher.

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Speaker 1: We'll get we'll get the link. Check that's all good.

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Speaker 2: We'll get the link for memory Bamini Hydrotherapy dot com,

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Speaker 2: Aminihydrotherapy dot com. But they've got multiple forms now, They've

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Speaker 2: got like a miniature one that's like six grand you

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Speaker 2: can put it in your tub, and then the you know,

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Speaker 2: the high end rolls voice one that I have is

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Speaker 2: like thirty k. It's worth it. Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 2: better than my red light tech Jay.

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Speaker 4: This has been an absolute tor to force through hormones, peptides, oxygen,

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Speaker 4: red lights, it's just Jesus you name it.

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Speaker 1: So Jay Mohr, can people go to find.

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Speaker 4: Out more about you and the stuff that you do,

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Speaker 4: and also about biolongevity lops.

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Speaker 2: For sure, man, And honestly, thank you man. I love

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Speaker 2: when people are really smart and ask me because I'm

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Speaker 2: one of those guys. Like, if you ask me really

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Speaker 2: smart questions, I'll give you really cool answers. But like

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Speaker 2: if you just sit there and be like ooo, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't have anything to say. So you are awesome, man.

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Speaker 2: I give you commend you give you mad respect and props.

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Speaker 2: So people can find me on social media at j

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Speaker 2: Campbell three three three. I'm more active on x or

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Speaker 2: whatever the hell at Twitter, probably heavily shadow band on

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Speaker 2: Instagram and YouTube in those places and of course LinkedIn too.

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Speaker 2: And then my website is Jacampbell dot com and I

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Speaker 2: do have a domain for anybody who watches me on

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: a podcast to download all my books because again I'm

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Speaker 2: a service to others. Person, I give away all my

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Speaker 2: products for free. I don't care. It's jacampbell dot com

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Speaker 2: forward slash free books, and so they can go there

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Speaker 2: and they can download a freak PDF copy of all

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Speaker 2: the books that I have, and there's some really amazing

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Speaker 2: books there, you know, both of the hormone books, the

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Speaker 2: fasting books, and then my peptide book is there too.

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Speaker 4: To heay, this has been awesome. Thank You've been very

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01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: generous for your time. I know you've got to go

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Speaker 4: and meet your wife, but that's been awesome. We will

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Speaker 4: put the links in the show notes for everybody, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: just keep doing what you do.

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Speaker 2: Thanks brother. Let me know how I can help you.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. I'm very grateful. This was an

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Speaker 2: awesome show. You have an amazing day, Okay, thanks Butt