WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 27 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Look what she's actually doing is she's going to every

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<v Speaker 2>disney Land in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll take her three weeks, but all the puddles will

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<v Speaker 1>be here, and when Sharry's back will celebrating. Enjoy your breakdown.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Lots to get to tonight, including a before

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<v Speaker 2>we get to all the obvious. Remember a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, we're all told to go to our rooms

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<v Speaker 2>by our government, and a lot of people did and

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<v Speaker 2>they were all fine with it. Well, there was, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the absurdity that people were fighting over toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I want my ten roles, No, I want forty roles.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm buying a week's supply. I'm buying a month's supply.

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<v Speaker 1>How deg are that bloody person?

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, I, like many of you, had to go

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<v Speaker 2>from supermarket to supermarket on bloody opening birds because oh

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<v Speaker 2>we're running out of too roll. Remember the nonsense of

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<v Speaker 2>the toilet paper. Well, tonight, eggs are the new toilet paper, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you may have heard, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit of trouble overseas.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of places on the fringes of our

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<v Speaker 2>cities that are starting to cause trouble. But people are

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<v Speaker 2>now going nutty and are buying too many eggs, so

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<v Speaker 2>much so that the major supermarkets have now decided that's it,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to limit the amount of eggs you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, apparently it's the height of World War two.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently we're rationing things now and as a precaution, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Woolies, to manage its stock delay, we're introducing a

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<v Speaker 2>two pack purchase limit on eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, whiles I see t Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>Will people cross the border into Queensland to get extra ones?

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<v Speaker 2>Will people smuggle them on flights from Adelaide? Will there

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<v Speaker 2>be a hard border between Western Australia and the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the country about eggs?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>But right now the majority of our customers are only

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<v Speaker 2>buying one carton of egg at a time, So that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to change.

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<v Speaker 3>But clearly they've put a limit in place because people

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<v Speaker 3>lose it's their brain. It's a little bit like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>before a public holiday when for some reason the shops

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be close for one day, but people

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<v Speaker 3>are stocking up as if it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>They encourage shoppers to be mindful and make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>you only buy what you'd normally buy.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not the only ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Coals have also told us that the band extends there

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<v Speaker 2>where they've limited the amount of eggs. So we've sort

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<v Speaker 2>of seen that when there's something to worry about, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>we overreact to control the things we can't control, like

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<v Speaker 2>toilet paper or the amount of eggs, or get out

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<v Speaker 2>of my way, I'm getting the water. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 2>are the type of person who is worried easily, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to tell you remain calm. But there's an asteroid

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<v Speaker 2>that's heading our way. Now, apparently it'll pass by about

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty thousand kilometers. But this thing is

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the science of Mount Everest, So Cole's Woolly's aldi.

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<v Speaker 2>They may turn around, and I know what they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>limit and how people are going to prepare for the asteroid,

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<v Speaker 2>But that could be on its way, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there's apparently an even more concerning asteroid that is headed

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<v Speaker 2>our way. Why do I know, because I've got this

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<v Speaker 2>clip from Canadian News.

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<v Speaker 4>In about five and a half years, a massive asteroid

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<v Speaker 4>name Apofas, after the Egyptian god of chaos will pass

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<v Speaker 4>so close to the Earth we'll be able to see

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<v Speaker 4>it in the sky. And that has NASA scientists on

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<v Speaker 4>high alert.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, quick bite the eggs, the toilet paper, because this

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<v Speaker 3>thing's going to come rather close.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to hit us, apparently, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>science and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm pleased to say that NASA is on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but the emotions are pretty high at NASA.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy absolutely not freaking out and being very calm.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen to what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to be able to get a spacecraft out

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<v Speaker 2>there weeks two months to get a look at Apathas

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<v Speaker 2>before that close encounter. We're going to send a spacecraft

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<v Speaker 2>to knock it off its trajectory, just in case it's

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<v Speaker 2>getting too close to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we panic about eggs and toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 2>What will happen when we learn that they've sent a

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<v Speaker 2>spacecraft to go and knock an asteroid out of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>To knock a asteroid out of the way, well, amazingly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that actually already done this. Who knew this

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<v Speaker 2>is American taxpayers dollars at work. But thankfully they still

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<v Speaker 2>spend money on this as opposed to what we spend

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<v Speaker 2>money on, like two new planes for the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 4>Two years ago, the double Asteroid Redirection test, known as

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<v Speaker 4>the Dark Spacecraft smashed into an asteroid to knock a

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<v Speaker 4>massive space rock off its gravitational course and it worked.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's a pretty big deal for all of us

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<v Speaker 4>on Earth. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to play Aerosmith's Don't Miss a Thing right now,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course was the song that they played after

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Willis and the rest of them were able to

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<v Speaker 2>save the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>But we don't have the budget.

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<v Speaker 2>So just imagine that a really boring series of scientists

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<v Speaker 2>will head out weeks or months before an event which

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<v Speaker 2>could well have some consequences on the Earth, and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>just politely not shoot it, not blow it away, just

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<v Speaker 2>push it out of the way. Now, Labor and Peace,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to say, while I disagree on many of

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<v Speaker 2>their issues, I certainly admire their discipline to even argue

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<v Speaker 2>against reality at times, but always argue in unison. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously not always Like this week, that lady crossed the

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<v Speaker 2>floor against her own government, of fact, the first person

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<v Speaker 2>since nineteen eighty eight to do so. And remember she

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<v Speaker 2>got so punished. Remember not allowed to go to one meeting. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong, well remember one of the mean girls. Well

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<v Speaker 2>she was waving her finger on Telly here today, wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>she right?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's from Minista, as I said, has sean great

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<v Speaker 5>restraint on this occasion. He has directed that she not

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<v Speaker 5>attend the caucus. What I would say to is that

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<v Speaker 5>our expectation and the expectation of her colleagues is that

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<v Speaker 5>senator payment abide by the collective solidaria. So if it

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<v Speaker 5>happened again, well, our expectation is that she observed the

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<v Speaker 5>solidarity that all labor people bring to their position.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greats are promising to put in another vote, which

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<v Speaker 2>of course will test all of this system again. The

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party, well, they don't want to boot her out

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<v Speaker 2>because they firstly create a political martyr, but secondly the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers get a little more uncertain in the Senate, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course they could end up pushing Muslim votes towards

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens. And I wish that the collective brain of

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<v Speaker 2>our media and certainly the people who are running our

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<v Speaker 2>country were just as in range and just focused on

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<v Speaker 2>the issue that actually is worrying Australians, and that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a media rite. It's not toilet paper, and it's not eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the overall cost of living. Doesn't matter when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to a pole or anything else. We know there

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<v Speaker 2>are so many lies and we're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>a crisis right now. The reality, as you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>that australis inflation rate and this is not based over

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<v Speaker 2>the three months, but over one of the three months

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<v Speaker 2>that puts together. The overall number has now gone up

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<v Speaker 2>to four percent. As we showed you last night. These

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<v Speaker 2>are all the things above four percent that make that

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<v Speaker 2>number particularly difficult to move. Tobacco at thirteen percent, petrol

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<v Speaker 2>at nine point three, insurance rents, alcohol, electricity which was

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<v Speaker 2>apparently falling but apparently no is still going up by

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<v Speaker 2>higher than the average inflation rate. The same with health, house, education,

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<v Speaker 2>new housing for people to live in, transport and fruit

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<v Speaker 2>and veg, all of it up and up, up, up,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of it way above where the Reserve Bank

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<v Speaker 2>needs things to be. And that of course is between

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<v Speaker 2>two and three percent, not three and four, not four

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<v Speaker 2>and five. And hence why the Liberal Party was asking

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<v Speaker 2>the questions they did today in question time Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>why do Australians have to live in fear of yet

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<v Speaker 2>another rate rise under this hopeless government. Why are Australian

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<v Speaker 2>families paying the price for Labour's economic failures?

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister?

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<v Speaker 6>Why are Australian families paying the price for Labour's economic incompetence?

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<v Speaker 1>Fair question?

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<v Speaker 2>What are the consequences, of course, of ongoing high inflation

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<v Speaker 2>that is not between two and three percent, not three

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<v Speaker 2>to four, not four to five. It has to be

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<v Speaker 2>two and three is that is what the Reserve Bank

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<v Speaker 2>seedes as the only band that we should have for

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<v Speaker 2>a good economy and for the country working at just

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<v Speaker 2>the right the sort of Goldilocks number. This is way

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<v Speaker 2>too high, which of course means interest rates. I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to why I admire the Labor.

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<v Speaker 2>Party some times, and I facetiously say that why I

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<v Speaker 2>admire the Labor Party arguing that down is up and

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<v Speaker 2>up is down and you can't see what your lying

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<v Speaker 2>eyes are telling you is because when they go out

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<v Speaker 2>on television, they are out there today telling us that

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<v Speaker 2>after inflation has started to go back up is a

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<v Speaker 2>full percent above the upper limit of where the Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank will accept. They are out and about saying look,

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<v Speaker 2>how good we're going.

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<v Speaker 7>So inflation has come down a lot, it's absolutely true

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<v Speaker 7>that it has got further to go, and that's why

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<v Speaker 7>the government's plan to deliver a prudent budget surplus to

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<v Speaker 7>pursue fiscal discipline is the right path to help families.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing a good job. Patting themselves on the back now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course that's easy for him to say, because if

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<v Speaker 2>times get tough, he could sell one of many properties,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently a property portfolio with forty two million dollars. Good

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<v Speaker 2>self made man, Good luck to it. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>really going to be taking my Hey, it's okay from

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<v Speaker 2>the bloke who's absolutely dripping in cash litt alone any

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<v Speaker 2>other politician, because let's say it all together. They got

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<v Speaker 2>a pay rise. They got a pay rise last week,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the third since Labour came to power. The

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<v Speaker 2>PM now earning six hundred thousand dollars. So despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he's got two new planes, he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>mansion in Sydney, he's got a mansion in Canberra, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's paid six hundred thousand dollars, here's the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>telling you inflation going back up to a full percentage

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<v Speaker 2>point higher than what the Reserve Bank is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>achieve with the dozen interest rate rises since he became

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the spin.

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<v Speaker 8>Australia has faster economic growth than Canada, Germany, Italy, Japan

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<v Speaker 8>and the UK. In the G seven, we have a

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<v Speaker 8>lower unemployment rate than Canada, trans Italy. In the UK,

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<v Speaker 8>we have faster employment growth than Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan,

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<v Speaker 8>the US and the UK. We have a higher participation

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<v Speaker 8>rate France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the US and the UK.

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<v Speaker 8>And Australia is the only only one with a budget

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<v Speaker 8>surpas along with the smallest gross step.

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<v Speaker 1>Hang on the gross debt.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember was the reason to change the government, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the trillion dollars. The gross debt will go to one

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<v Speaker 2>point two trillion dollars within the four estimates of this

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<v Speaker 2>federal budget. When they talk about economic growth, Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>growing at zero point one percent zero point one percent,

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<v Speaker 2>But the question is inflation. Inflation at four percent is

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<v Speaker 2>higher than what the Reserve Bank is demanding. And let's

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<v Speaker 2>compare Australia's inflation rate with the rest of the world. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>not Zimbabwe, not Argentina, but countries that have a lower

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<v Speaker 2>inflation rate than as you can see on your screen, Brazil, Spain,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, where they will probably get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the current president because of inflation, their rate is lower

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<v Speaker 2>than ours. Singapore, Canada is under three percent. Indonesia, Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>the Netherlands, South Korea and Germany are all in the twos,

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<v Speaker 2>as is France. And in the United Kingdom, where they

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<v Speaker 2>are about to get rid of their government in part

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<v Speaker 2>because of the cost of living, their inflation rate is

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<v Speaker 2>half that of ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh but it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five dollars a month credit is coming to everyone

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<v Speaker 2>from the people who own mangins to one bedroom units in.

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<v Speaker 1>The bush to help with power bills, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course two little too late tax cuts the average

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen dollars a week. As we've spoken about before, the

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<v Speaker 2>best spin the government can put on it is it's

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<v Speaker 2>about thirty something dollars. None of it touch as, none

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<v Speaker 2>of it changes because all of those things are going

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<v Speaker 2>up and they are now starting to speed up their

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<v Speaker 2>race to the top. Now, are we going to go

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<v Speaker 2>back where we were a couple of years ago. No, However,

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<v Speaker 2>for the government to turn around and say, as they did,

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<v Speaker 2>our budget will do nothing when it comes to inflation. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the mere announcement of their budget in May compared to

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<v Speaker 2>when it kicks in on the first of July has

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<v Speaker 2>seen inflation go back up, let alone when the actual

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<v Speaker 2>money starts moving around. So what are we being told

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<v Speaker 2>in the Financial Review? Multiple interest rate rises are the

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<v Speaker 2>only way to push it back down, back down to three,

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<v Speaker 2>back down to two and a half. Also the Australian today,

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<v Speaker 2>the RBA has no option but to raise rates in August,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Libs know this is the issue. Forget everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>This is the issue that matters the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Australians. Here's an MP Zoey Mackenzie on Telly today.

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<v Speaker 9>We know that the budget has been inflationary. We know

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<v Speaker 9>this government has put three hundred and fifteen billion dollars

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<v Speaker 9>of extra spending into the government. We know core inflation

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<v Speaker 9>is at four point four percent, which is what the

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<v Speaker 9>RBA looks at.

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<v Speaker 10>We know that.

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<v Speaker 9>Inflation rate is high than the US, Canada, France, Sweden,

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<v Speaker 9>the UK, Norway. How much more congratulations would they be

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<v Speaker 9>asking for on no.

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<v Speaker 10>Basis whatsoever sounds that rates to go out.

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<v Speaker 9>It sounds like crazy to going out. Most people ask

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<v Speaker 9>me to you a surprise. They didn't go up last time,

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<v Speaker 9>so all eyes will be on August in terms of

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<v Speaker 9>whether they go up again.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, remember the Reserve Bank had a conversation. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>about cutting rates, it was maybe about putting them up.

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<v Speaker 2>These numbers means the pressure on them making that decision.

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<v Speaker 2>So the government can spin it anyway it wants the reality.

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<v Speaker 2>We are in a tough spot which is not getting better.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it's getting worse. And you can tell me

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<v Speaker 2>is many labor mp millionaires or people that are getting

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<v Speaker 2>pay rise. Everything's okay, it ain't now, I like you,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had enough of the in assane chat. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to get involved in the good guy

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<v Speaker 2>the bad guy thing. But you may have heard his

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<v Speaker 2>return to Australia. Yes, last night our show was taken

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<v Speaker 2>over by press conferences and all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you know, Anthony Alberanesi is well and truly

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<v Speaker 2>washing himself in lefty joy. As he was on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone and tweeting out pictures as he's talking to him.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a press conference that he was holding. As

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<v Speaker 2>he was walking off the plane, he was talking it

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<v Speaker 2>up in Parliament yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact that all of those things happened, the Camber Press Gallery,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least one of its members, says albany Assane,

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<v Speaker 2>hero or villain either way, Albanesi is keeping his distance. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>he's taking photos of himself on the phone, he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>nighttime press conferences, he's got the chest puffed out in

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<v Speaker 2>question time, and he's standing to the ovations of Radio

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<v Speaker 2>National Fair Dincon. But what I thought was very important

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<v Speaker 2>to point out to mine was don't fall for this

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<v Speaker 2>garbage that albow is some sort of information freedom fighter,

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<v Speaker 2>that he's a transparent figure who is okay with the

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<v Speaker 2>most uncomfortable information being brought out, no matter what a

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<v Speaker 2>government actually says. We've shown you how many times about

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<v Speaker 2>the actual attitude of transparency that this bloke and this

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<v Speaker 2>government has. When you ask for documents, you get a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of redacted, a whole bunch of questions just

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<v Speaker 2>don't get answered. Remember we showed you the playbook about

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<v Speaker 2>how politicians and their public servants, which one is the master,

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<v Speaker 2>which one's the puppy, your choice, well, about how to

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<v Speaker 2>answer questions or not answer questions in Senate estimates. But

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<v Speaker 2>something a little more serious than that. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>show you this bloke. His name is David McBride, and

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<v Speaker 2>David McBride was a military lawyer. Now, he discovered documents

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<v Speaker 2>that led to nationwide reporting of potential, if not proven,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's say, potential war crimes that were taking place.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the explanation via Channel two where he was

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<v Speaker 2>found guilty and is currently in jail.

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<v Speaker 11>Former military lawyer David McBride has been sentenced to five

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<v Speaker 11>years and eight months jail in the set Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 11>for sharon classified military documents with journalists. Mcbrideple died guilty

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<v Speaker 11>to three charges, including theft and sharing more than two

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<v Speaker 11>hundred documents classified as secret with members of the press.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this prosecution had been in train for some time,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously this government has been around for two years.

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<v Speaker 1>There were multiple.

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<v Speaker 2>Times that McBride and his supporters appealed to the Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>General Mark Dreyfuss to drop the charges to stop the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet Drefus said, oh no, it's only under the most

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<v Speaker 2>extreme circumstances that I'm going to be allowed to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>So this government made a decision that information that the

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<v Speaker 2>whistleblower believed the world should know because it was the

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<v Speaker 2>apparent war crimes that were being committed in places like Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 2>That person is currently in jail now. Whether you think

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<v Speaker 2>they should or shouldn't, that's beside the point. My point

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<v Speaker 2>is that Albo is out there pretending that he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Wikileak's best friend and Assange's best friend and on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone and living in the glory of the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who tells the uncomfortable secrets. But a person who told

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable secrets about our country has been prosecuted by this

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<v Speaker 2>government that turned away from dropping a prosecution. That bloke

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<v Speaker 2>is in jail now for multiple years because this government

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<v Speaker 2>decided that those secrets must be kept held tight, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of the public's quote unquote right to know, or how

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<v Speaker 2>many awards came out of the reporting that the documents

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<v Speaker 2>were based off. And as Andrew Wilkie, who remember was

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<v Speaker 2>a whistleblower himself, giving information to the then Channel nine

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<v Speaker 2>News reporter Lourie Oakes. He made this point upon the

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<v Speaker 2>jailing of McBride.

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<v Speaker 12>The first Australian to front of court and the first

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<v Speaker 12>Australian to go to jail over the alleged war crimes

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<v Speaker 12>in Afghanistan. Is the whistleblower that brought the allegations to

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<v Speaker 12>the public's attention. And I'll tell you why the governments

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<v Speaker 12>behaved this way, because governments, be they LNP or labor,

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<v Speaker 12>they hate whistleblowers, They hate people speaking up, they hate

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<v Speaker 12>people shining a light on official misconduct.

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<v Speaker 2>So when it comes to Albo, he's fine if you

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<v Speaker 2>dump another country's secrets, but if you do it to

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<v Speaker 2>our country, you definitely have to go to jail. Victoria

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<v Speaker 2>is playing a very dangerous political game at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>because even lefties don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the idea of a death tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, our death tax has been one of the great

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<v Speaker 2>bogeymen of Australian politics now. At times people have discussed

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<v Speaker 2>things like inheritance taxes. And inheritance taxes of course, means

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<v Speaker 2>that the money that you would be passing from your

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<v Speaker 2>bank account to your kid's bank account, well, it would

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<v Speaker 2>end up.

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<v Speaker 1>With a big tax on top of it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen people like the United Australian Party back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and nineteen run very hard on this particular issue,

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<v Speaker 2>and in part, the mere suggestion of it cost labor votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because of course it was the suggestion that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a plan from the Labor Party, but of course

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens are much more friendly to this sort of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been a policy that essentially no major political

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<v Speaker 2>party would ever have the balls to actually put into place,

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<v Speaker 2>because intergenerational transfer of wealth put simply inheriting something from

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<v Speaker 2>your parents or your grandparents or an uncle or an

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<v Speaker 2>auntie is a very significant way that people are able

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<v Speaker 2>to pay off their houses or to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>have that little bit of extra money to make things

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<v Speaker 2>easier for themselves. It's a terrible idea. People hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mentioned Victoria where their government is apparently considering

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<v Speaker 2>a version, pudon me, a version of this. Harold Son

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<v Speaker 2>wrote today fascinatingly that grieving families could cop a dex

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<v Speaker 2>a death tax by stealth under a proposed Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>probate fee hike. Now, of course, anyone who has gone

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<v Speaker 2>through the tragedy of losing somebody that they love, and

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's had power of attorney and gone through all

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<v Speaker 2>of that mess knows about probate courts. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to sell the house here and move the

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<v Speaker 2>shares that you know, how all of this works well.

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<v Speaker 2>The suggestion is is that the Victorian government should increase

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<v Speaker 2>the size of the clip that they put on the ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Herald Sun today, the cost of dying

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<v Speaker 2>is set to skyrocket with a Victoria in Victoria, with

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<v Speaker 2>the Ollen government considering introduced what has been penned as

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<v Speaker 2>a panda's a death tax by stealth, the move will

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<v Speaker 2>sea grieving family slugged thousands of dollars more to enact

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<v Speaker 2>the wills of loved ones. With probate fees set to

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<v Speaker 2>face massive increases, the government has fast tracked a review

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<v Speaker 2>of the Supreme Court probate fees by three years, which

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<v Speaker 2>increases has some increases of up to six hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent being considered also massive change. Under the favored

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<v Speaker 2>model being considered by the government, some fees would move

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<v Speaker 2>from a fixed rate where it doesn't matter how much

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<v Speaker 2>money you're talking about inheriting, to a a tiered system

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<v Speaker 2>where the more you inherit, the more tax you pay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, before you.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely freak out and start trying to buy toilet paper

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<v Speaker 2>and buy too many eggs and worry about asteroids, let

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<v Speaker 2>me show you what the numbers are here. The numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are relatively low. So currently, if you are going to

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<v Speaker 2>inherit two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, the current provate

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<v Speaker 2>fee is sixty eight dollars, it would go up then

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<v Speaker 2>to two one hundred and sixty one dollars. If it's

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<v Speaker 2>between two fifty and five hundred, it'd go to five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's five hundred and a million.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one thousand dollars, and if it's two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half million or above, it's two thousand, five hundred dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, of course, is not going to really

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<v Speaker 2>break the bank when it comes to these fees, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>if that much money is moving around, But it is

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<v Speaker 2>the principle. It is the point that currently the government

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<v Speaker 2>is clipping the ticket for most people by less than

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred bucks. But if that is about to surge

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<v Speaker 2>by two hundred and eighty one percent, what is top

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<v Speaker 2>cash strapped governments into the future just turning it up

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<v Speaker 2>a little more, a little more, a little more, a

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<v Speaker 2>little more, a little more, and then you start realizing

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<v Speaker 2>that what is hundreds of dollars becomes thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly. Lazy governments slowly move these things through. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if the Allen government does it. I would

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<v Speaker 2>hope that even labor supporters will get in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>them and say no, thank you, hands off mum and

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<v Speaker 2>Dad's money, hands off inheritance. If you want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us that there's a very mild fee for the paperwork, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>less than.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything else is clearly going to be the frog in

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<v Speaker 2>the pot system where they're not just going to go

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<v Speaker 2>straight to ten thousand dollars or fifty thousand dollars or

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand dollars or ten percent, twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>half instead, like all of these taxes, slowly but surely,

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<v Speaker 2>and then, just like the frog in the pot of water,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't realize it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Until it's too late.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, also in Victoria, Australians have faith in the electoral system.

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<v Speaker 2>We may not like the political results that come out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, but as a rule we trust the electoral system.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because there are so.

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<v Speaker 2>Few cases that end up going anywhere near a court

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<v Speaker 2>showing how people would attempt to influence or change the system. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>unlike places like the United States, you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>things like apply for postal votes apply to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get a ballot sent to your house, unlike in

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<v Speaker 2>America where they will just send it to your house.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a whole another issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, amazingly, the AEC has turned around and said that

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<v Speaker 2>something that has been building for a little while is

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<v Speaker 2>the number of people who are trying to basically double

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<v Speaker 2>click the issues with the American system and pretend that that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The Australian system.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, while I'm not a great fan of systems, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that from time to time the AAC likes

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<v Speaker 2>to get overly involved in issues like misinformation, I do

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<v Speaker 2>trust our electoral system. We have seen when there have

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<v Speaker 2>been issues like the Senate ballot paper issues in Western Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>will they ends up with a revote. We've seen scenarios

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<v Speaker 2>where hundreds of people who were accused of double voting

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty and nineteen and that was in the Sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that was twenty sixteen in the seat of Herbert. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's an issue I want to talk about, which is

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<v Speaker 2>this bloke. Now, this bloke was prosecuted because of what

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<v Speaker 2>he has now pled guilty to, which was behaviors in

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<v Speaker 2>the most recent Victorian election. Now he was an endorsed

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<v Speaker 2>labor candidate, and when we first heard about the allegations,

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<v Speaker 2>there were eighty three suspect ballots which had apparently been

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<v Speaker 2>removed from people's letterboxes. There was an investigation and the

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<v Speaker 2>tampering resulted in what resulted in a plea deal that

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<v Speaker 2>essentially meant there was a conviction. Sorry, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>plead of guilty that took place here. But essentially the

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<v Speaker 2>front and center on all of this was, in a

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<v Speaker 2>very rare example, somebody was held accountable for what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening with ballots.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you can see, he's not going to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>He has received a fine, he has some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>suspended or community sentence that's hanging over the top of him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the AEC, but it was the Victorian Electoral

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<v Speaker 2>Commission that decided to take on the prosecution. But you

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<v Speaker 2>would think that if there was ever a need for

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<v Speaker 2>things like weekend attention. I'm not talking about hardcore prison

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<v Speaker 2>for forty five years, but if you think there's ever

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<v Speaker 2>an example about sending someone to a prison farm or

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<v Speaker 2>sending somebody to weekend attention, it would be something like this,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if we know what the consequences are for fiddling

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<v Speaker 2>with our electoral system. They have to be disproportionate. Why because,

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<v Speaker 2>of course that is the disincentive for anyone going about

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<v Speaker 2>and doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have mentioned this story.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are a hardcore watcher and you remember many

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>of the topics that we have raised on the program

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, I just wanted to tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>it ended. Were they guilty plate but no jail? Now

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was twenty twelve, but remember the year

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<v Speaker 2>when Jeffrey Rush was named the Australian of the Year. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>at the time I thought this was just weird. Spends

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<v Speaker 2>most of his at that time, spent most of his

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<v Speaker 2>time overseas. I didn't quite understand how anyone benefited from it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was named the Australian of the Year. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason this has always stuck in my crawl is because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, each state nominates their selected Australian of

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<v Speaker 2>the Year, and in that year, Bruce and Denise Morecambe

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<v Speaker 2>were nominated as the Queenslanders of the Year, and I

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<v Speaker 2>believe should have been called the Australians of the Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce and Denise Morecambe are amazing human beings and you

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<v Speaker 2>know why their son Daniel disappeared in two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 2>His murder was horrific and anyone with a child still

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<v Speaker 2>upon hearing his name, sheds a tear for what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to that beautiful boy and takes strength from what Bruce

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<v Speaker 2>and Denise did.

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<v Speaker 1>You see.

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce and Denise they started a foundation. They started a

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<v Speaker 2>foundation in Daniel's name. It is now twenty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just wanted to say, in a world where

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<v Speaker 2>we often teach your bad news and difficult news and

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<v Speaker 2>hard news, there are really good people amongst us, and

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<v Speaker 2>the way that they turned their pain into helping kids is.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is an opportunity for them to be renominated

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<v Speaker 2>by Queensland as the Queenslanders of the Year and a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to be the Australians of the Year for running

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<v Speaker 2>this foundation for twenty years, may that honor go to them.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in Canberra this week and Bruce and Denise

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<v Speaker 2>have visited more than a thousand schools, as you can

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<v Speaker 2>see in the van that goes around telling the message

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<v Speaker 2>about safety safety to kids like their boy Daniel. They

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<v Speaker 2>are on a twenty day, seven thousand kilometer road trip

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<v Speaker 2>where they are going to talk to sixteen one hundred students.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel's father, Bruce says that we are proud to be

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Daniel's parents and quite move the twenty years after his

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<v Speaker 2>abduction and those tragic events are not forgotten. His important

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 2>legacy continues to grow. If like me, you are indebted

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>to their strength, indebted to their work at admiring of

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>their courage, support them tonight the Daniel Morcambe Foundation. The

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 2>way you can help them out is via their website

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Morcambe dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a big donate button there, Hit it as many

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<v Speaker 1>times as you can and give.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as you possibly can, because they are beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>people who deserve to be the Australians of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>but more importantly, deserve to know that we care, that

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<v Speaker 2>we love and we continue to be in awe of

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>what they do. Tomorrow is the big debate between Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>You are able to watch it at.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven am in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Canberra do your sums.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live somewhere else in different time zones, you

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<v Speaker 2>will see it here on Sky News. But I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to show you something that you haven't seen, which is

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<v Speaker 2>this is what the set is going to look like. TODA.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what the brand new.

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<v Speaker 2>Presidential debate set is going to look like, not this

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<v Speaker 2>one the CNN set. There we go, Hi, Hey everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very exciting and there's lots of CNN logos all over.

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<v Speaker 1>It, isn't there. That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, CNN has gone out of its way today to

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<v Speaker 2>pump up as part of its pre show for the debate,

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<v Speaker 2>which you will see here simplcast on Sky News at

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>eleven am Eastern tomorrow. They have decided to go very

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>excited about telling you everything you need to know about

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<v Speaker 2>the setting for the debate. They explain it like they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking to children. But here is how it will work,

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<v Speaker 2>so they know when to shut up.

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<v Speaker 13>Attached to the cameras in the studio and in the

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<v Speaker 13>candidate's field of view are the timing lates. When the

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<v Speaker 13>lates show yellow, there are fifteen seconds left, and a

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<v Speaker 13>candidate's answer or response thank you. When the lights flash

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<v Speaker 13>read there are five seconds left, and when the display

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<v Speaker 13>is solid read the time is up. At that point,

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<v Speaker 13>the candidate's microphone will be turned off and the other

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<v Speaker 13>candidate will have their microphone turned on.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow I mean, that's the biggest name in news, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's more.

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<v Speaker 2>Please explain how turning a microphone on and off works.

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<v Speaker 14>If we go behind the podiums, you can see two

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<v Speaker 14>green lights. When they're on, they signal to the candidate

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<v Speaker 14>his microphone is on. When the green lights are off,

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<v Speaker 14>they signal to the candidate his microphone is off.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 14>Now I want to give you a sense of what

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<v Speaker 14>it will look like for viewers a home if a

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<v Speaker 14>candidate whose microphone is off interrupts a candidate whose microphone

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<v Speaker 14>is on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll play at what does interruption look off?

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<v Speaker 14>To come in and take the other podium And so

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<v Speaker 14>let's say I'm answering a question. My light is green

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<v Speaker 14>and I'm speaking because your microphone is off and his

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<v Speaker 14>green lights are not illuminated, but they're He's going to

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<v Speaker 14>interrupt me as I'm speaking, and this is what it

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<v Speaker 14>will sound like. My volume remains constant, while Phil's interruption

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<v Speaker 14>can be difficult to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, they're running out of topics about their own debate.

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<v Speaker 2>So Redmin's shut up, green Main's your MIC's on. If

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of spake normally, but if you're yelling, you

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to hear whoever he is yelling during

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<v Speaker 2>the debike. Megan Kelly, of course, is out wonderful friend

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. She is hosted and moderated these debates.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to her later in the show.

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<v Speaker 15>Of the CNN ers who you'd have to pick, they

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<v Speaker 15>picked the best too. I know Jake Tapper's not a

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 15>big Trump fan, and I'm sure Dana Bash isn't either,

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<v Speaker 15>but I think on this the biggest night of their careers,

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<v Speaker 15>they're going to behave. They're smart enough to know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 15>I've already been seeing some of Jake's coverage of like

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<v Speaker 15>the Trump trial in New York, and he's playing it

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<v Speaker 15>right down the middle, Paul, right down the middle. So

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<v Speaker 15>I expect to see that that night. I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 15>watch it, I will say. And then to come and

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<v Speaker 15>if I'm wrong about those anchors, I will rip them

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<v Speaker 15>to shreds.

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<v Speaker 2>On our next appearance, speaking of ripping to shreds, the

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 2>beautiful rate of Pannehy and I will be watching the

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 2>debate as well. You will see highlights of our take

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 2>of the fight the debate, the lights on, the lights off,

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<v Speaker 2>the mix on, the mixoft. That'll be all up tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon scott News dot com dot you quick break back

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 2>with more ken you know, how do you think when

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 2>we're in lose of the wakes, jump onto the socials

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and tell me thank you so much for watching all right,

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Julian Assange, free zone, not talking about it for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the night and the week.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go done.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me to discuss everything else though, is lovely. Linda Scott,

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<v Speaker 2>of course from the Sydney of City Council. She's joining

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>us now in Melbourne. She also represents local government at

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<v Speaker 2>the national cabinet level. Very exciting and the wonderful Caroline

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus as well, one of the best in our newsroom

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>at skynews dot com dot aus, where you can find

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>many of her great reports, as well as on Telly.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to see you both. So inflation, we now are

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<v Speaker 2>in a scenario Caroline waere it's at four percent. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a four percent above where the Reserve Bank needs it.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not cheering on, but every expectation is now

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<v Speaker 2>we're going towards an interest rate rise. Now, this is

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<v Speaker 2>more than going to be a problem for the government,

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>because the government, of course told us so. The budget

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<v Speaker 2>totally uninflationary, nothing's going to happen. I think people are

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<v Speaker 2>at their limit. I absolutely believe that it's at the limit,

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<v Speaker 2>and if something happens.

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<v Speaker 1>They will blame this.

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<v Speaker 16>Government for it, and it won't just be them blaming

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<v Speaker 16>the government unfairly. I mean, what came out of the

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<v Speaker 16>Reserve Bank meeting last week was the Reserve Bank itself

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<v Speaker 16>saying that because of the budgets that have come out

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<v Speaker 16>federal on state, because of those big spanning budgets, this

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<v Speaker 16>is this interest we're on the verse makes We're on

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<v Speaker 16>the verge of it, and they don't think there's much

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<v Speaker 16>that is going to be able to be done to

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<v Speaker 16>stop that from happening. So it would be a fair

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<v Speaker 16>assessment if it does as predicted for people to blame

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<v Speaker 16>the government for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and again, can we if we can, guys, bring

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<v Speaker 2>back the list of countries right ours at four percent?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we are above places like Brazil.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at the moment, but more importantly United States,

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<v Speaker 2>United Kingdom, they are in the middle of election seasons

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<v Speaker 2>that are about changing the government because of inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>Our numbers are higher than that, Linda.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be a concern for labor people because

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<v Speaker 2>the assumption was, Okay, it's all the COVID staff, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all the red it's global factors. Well, Australia's inflation rate

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<v Speaker 2>is higher than the US, Brazil, Spain, US.

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<v Speaker 1>UK and so on and so on. Are you worried.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's put this into context. Of course, Scott Morrison and

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<v Speaker 6>the former government left us with the highest level of

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<v Speaker 6>debt ever in Australia. And let's not forget what we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to look forward to for all Australians on Monday

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 6>five major cost of living relief tax cuts for every

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<v Speaker 6>single Australian are freezing of the medications on the PBS.

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<v Speaker 6>Australians have got look to look forward to. The two

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<v Speaker 6>point four millions Australian on award wages are going to

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<v Speaker 6>get a significant increase next week. We're going to see

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<v Speaker 6>two weeks paid parental leave, and of course three hundred

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<v Speaker 6>dollars for every household of their energy bills. These are

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<v Speaker 6>major cost of living relief pressures that are going to

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<v Speaker 6>have an impact from next Monday on every working Australian

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<v Speaker 6>in various ways. You can't just look at one measure

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<v Speaker 6>of our economy and hang everything on that. This is

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<v Speaker 6>about cost of living relief for every Australian household and

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<v Speaker 6>ultimately that's what people notice, that's what matters to them.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, it's part of those measures that have led

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<v Speaker 16>to the inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're going to end up, Yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>end up in a scenario where we'll see whether that

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff is even worse. Might look again, we can go

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 2>uphill and down Daleen. I just think there's only one

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 2>There's only one number we keep being told is what

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<v Speaker 2>the Reserve Bank cares about. Because it's the Reserve Bank

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>who says it. That is the number that we compare

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>ourselves with everywhere else. I personally think many of those

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>things are too late, but we'll all wait and see

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>together now. One of the teals from Western Australia who

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<v Speaker 2>would like to be noticed before the next election is

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Kate Cheney. She believes that the government doesn't have the

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 2>courage to ban online betting ads.

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Is what she had to say.

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<v Speaker 17>I think they're scared, really, they're scared of the very

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 17>strong gambling lobby who also made significant donation and political donations.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 17>They're scared of the power of the media and also

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 17>the sports codes that stand to benefit financially from online

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 17>gambling ads, which have tripled in the last decade. So

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 17>the government now has to weigh up what the community

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 17>wants versus what the powerful stakeholders want, and I really

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<v Speaker 17>hope it will come out and make the right decision

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 17>there now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, remember it is Peter Dunden who in a

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 2>budget in reply speech has talked about the pairing back

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>at advertising around gambling. But no, apparently it's a to

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>your ideal, Linda. Again, there is a group of people

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 2>who'll turn around and say, sugar tax, we've got to

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>deal with that. The vaping issue, we've got to deal

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>with that. The gambling issue now, we've got to deal

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 2>with that. There's an awful lot of people who want

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to ban an awful lot of things the Australian seem

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 2>to actually enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't we just be trusted to our own devices?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, this is about in the lead up to a

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<v Speaker 6>federal election, isn't it. The Teals would love nothing more

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 6>than to go to the election talking about the importance

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 6>of these kinds of social issues. But in reality they're

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.399
<v Speaker 6>in a tough spot. As you point out, Paul, they

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 6>in conservative mostly electorates in Australia, and they've got to

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 6>find a way to think about whether or not they

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<v Speaker 6>oppose Peter Dutton's nuclear plan, which of course they're electorates

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 6>are so overwhelmingly against. That puts them in a tough

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 6>spot of indicating which of the major parties they might

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 6>be supporting if there's a hung parliament, and of course

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 6>they really really don't want to do that, so pivoting

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 6>to gambling and gambling ads is an incredibly sensible thing

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 6>for those Teals to do. Of course, we saw Labour

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 6>MP after Labour MP speaking to the condolence motion of

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 6>the wonderful Peter Murphy who so steadfastly and in such

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 6>a dedicated manner fought to have committee recommendations from the

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 6>Parliament too and gambling advertising, and we saw Labor MP

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 6>after Labor MP stand up in the Parliament and speak

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 6>to her incredible legacy on that issue and the importance

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 6>of this. I think it is a reform the government's exploring,

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 6>but ultimately this is about political framing for the Teals

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 6>and them trying not to talk about whether or not

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 6>they support nuclear power.

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, now, speed round, But I'm going to get

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>into specialist topics for both of you here, Caroline, you

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>led the way with the reporting on this ridiculous bakery

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:33.839
<v Speaker 2>thing and the birthday party in the mass all this garbage,

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Nothing's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>So this is the story about a four year old

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 16>who had a her Ma themed birthday cake and her

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 16>themed birthday party that I did a story about a

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 16>month ago. Now at the time, due to all the outrage,

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 16>I contacted New South Wales Police to see if they

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 16>were investigating it, if any report had been made, and

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 16>they had not received any report, but they begun investigating it,

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 16>referred it to the federal police, who I have regularly

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 16>been checking in with and understand that they've been looking

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.720
<v Speaker 16>into the laws to see whether any law had been broken.

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 16>You'd think glorifying terrorism would be in offense in this country,

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 16>and in fact, the laws that the federal government brought

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 16>in last year were specifically supposed to do that. That's

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 16>what Mark Drefis was spooking that among the Nazi symbols

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 16>and other things that they were banning, there was within

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 16>the bill a clause that would deal with glorification of

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 16>terrorism praising a terrorist event. And yet the AFP confirms

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 16>with me this week that it had dropped this investigation

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 16>because it did not believe that any law had been broken.

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 16>So it seems people can go ahead and throw their

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 16>child a birthday party with a picture of a Hermas

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.240
<v Speaker 16>official on their cake. I'm sure the boy really asked

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 16>for that. We're so sorry for that child, and nothing

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.720
<v Speaker 16>will happen. And yet this government and this Prime Minister

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 16>is saying that they condemn anti Semitism, they're taking strong

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 16>action on radical Islamism, when they just walk past these incidents.

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm with you. Also.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to recognize, Linda, that there was parliamentary inquiry

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 2>into funding in and around councils, but I'm slightly out

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of time, so we will get back to that at

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 2>another time. But seven billion bucks would be a nice

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>way to fund our councils. You've explained about how all

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 2>of that has worked in the past. I'm out of

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>time now to do it properly. But next time you're back,

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you go first. All right, Thank you, Linda, Thank you Caroline.

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's take a quick break, and then the wonder of all,

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Meghan Kelly joins us to preview the big debate tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>With the lights on in the Microsoft. It's been too long,

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.280
<v Speaker 2>but she's been on holiday. Welcome back to the beautiful

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Meghan Kelly.

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<v Speaker 10>Hi, how are you now?

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Of course, let's talk.

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 2>About the debate all roads leading to Friday our time.

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 2>You can see at eleven am here on Sky News.

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>But I wish you were the one who was moderating,

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 2>not the Trumpeters at CNN.

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 1>How are you feeling in the build up.

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.320
<v Speaker 10>I don't see it like that. I'm sure they'll do

0:43:59.360 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 10>a fine job.

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.839
<v Speaker 15>I think of the CNN ers who you'd have to pick,

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 15>they picked the best too. I know Jake Tapper's not

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 15>a big Trump fan, and I'm sure Dana Bash isn't either,

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 15>but I think on this the biggest night of their careers,

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 15>they're going to behave. They're smart enough to know.

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I've already been.

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 15>Seeing some of Jake's coverage of like the Trump trial

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 15>in New York, and he's playing it right down the middle, Paul,

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 15>right down the middle. So I expect to see that

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 15>that night. And I will say this, you know, the

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 15>one upside of not doing it is I've had a summer,

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 15>you know, I've had a June.

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 10>I've traveled with.

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.280
<v Speaker 15>My family, So you know, you get one of these debates,

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.919
<v Speaker 15>and it's your whole life. Every hour you're thinking about

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 15>how can I upgrade my questions? Have I thought of everything?

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 15>Can I be tougher? I need to be fair? What

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 15>about this?

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 10>Anyway?

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 15>I'm excited to watch it, I will say, and then

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 15>to come and if I'm wrong about those anchors, I

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 15>will rip them to shreds on our next appearance.

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Now we know that everyone is deeply preparing from the debate,

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 2>from the people hosting it to at least one of

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the two participants, But Trump is not. I think this

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 2>is a problem, and I know that he's going to

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>be able to wing it with the age that he

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>thinks he's going to. And one of the reasons why

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you practice is to make sure that you don't get

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>half a sentence right, as opposed to something that stuffs

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 2>up and creates a whole new world of problems for you.

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 10>Here's why I'm worried too.

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 15>It's not I think he'd still make comments that are controversial,

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 15>and that's fine.

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:21.880
<v Speaker 10>People are kind of used of it to that with Trump.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 15>But I'm worried because as Trump has gotten older this

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 15>time around, he is rambling more there's definitely there's no

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 15>comparison to Biden. I'm not making that point, but he's

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 15>become a bit of a rambler, and the practice would

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 15>be beneficial for him to practice getting up and down

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 15>on a topic. You know, just this is your in

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 15>and this is your out, and these are the three

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 15>points you make on that issue, right, this is your end,

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 15>this is your route, these are the three points you hit.

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 10>And if he could.

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 15>Memorize, you know, six of those, on immigration, on abortion,

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 15>on the economy, you go down the list, I think

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 15>he'd be in good shape if he could just remember

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.720
<v Speaker 15>those to stop the rambling. Now there is a time limit,

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 15>so that's good. That'll help stop rambling, presumably on both sides.

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 10>But I think everybody could benefit from a.

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 15>Little practice on these subjects. And look at what Trump does,

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 15>what his kind of self declared practices. These rallies, Well,

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 15>that's a one man show. There's no no one interrupting Trump.

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 15>It's stream of consciousness in front of a loving audience.

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 10>This is the opposite of that.

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.840
<v Speaker 15>The only one who's going to love Trump in this

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 15>whole production is Trump. The anchors don't like him, Joe

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:41.320
<v Speaker 15>Biden can't stand him. I don't think that the topics

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 15>selected are going.

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 10>To be Trump friendly.

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:44.720
<v Speaker 15>I'm sure we're going to be doing a fair amount

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 15>of January sixth, and you're going to pardon the insurrectionists

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 15>and things like that, and so he's I hope he

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 15>does have some concise points he can make in a

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 15>way that will resonate with the viewers at home. Having

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 15>said that, his biggest mission is to say something memorable

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 15>that will get people talking and ideally make them laugh

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 15>or make them fondly remember the moment, and I think

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 15>he's very capable of that.

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Now, give us a bit of an insight to somebody

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>who's hosted one of these things before, been a debate moderator.

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Are you the type of person who works up to

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the big question which is going to produce the big moment?

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Or is it like you know that moment where supposedly

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>you go to prison and the first thing you do

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>is to go up and slap the biggest person in

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the yard. I wouldn't be able to do that, but

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you get my point. Do you go for impact first

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>or do we build up to the biggest moment of

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the debate.

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 10>Well, that's my style on the debates I've done.

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 15>I like to pull no punches and you know, get

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 15>them all right away. But it's on, let's go. This

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 15>is adversarial. I'm not here to please you. You're not

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 15>here to please me. This is about the people behind

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 15>me watching at home, like, let's do this thing. I'm

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 15>not going to go easy on you, and I shouldn't

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 15>go easy on you, and let's see if you can

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 15>handle And that was what was so great about Trump's

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 15>answer to me and that debate.

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 10>He could handle it. He was funny, he wasn't thrown.

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 15>He was self deprecating in a bit, and he kind

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 15>of said what we all knew, which was people have

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 15>gotten sick.

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 10>Of how political politically correct we are, and you know

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:19.399
<v Speaker 10>what I say is what I say.

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 15>That was his answer after the Rosie joke, which had

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 15>people laughing and on his side and showing he's not scared.

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 15>He can make fun of other people of himself. So

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 15>it's a big opportunity. It's a I think it's a

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 15>gift to them in a way. You know, you throw

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 15>your fastball and they could potentially hit a home run.

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 15>If they hit a home run off of a fastball,

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 15>then it's absolutely brilliant for them politically and for TV,

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 15>which let's not forget.

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 10>This is not some.

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 15>Basement debate between kids. This is television and you have

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.800
<v Speaker 15>to make it electric and dynamic to keep the people's

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 15>attention at home. You want a memorable moment, You want

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 15>everybody talking about you, what you didn't keep