Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show tonight.
Speaker 3: The world's leading banks back a call for nuclear energy,
Speaker 3: but Albanizi thinks he knows better. War in Lebanon and
Speaker 3: Israel heats up as the government urges Australians to leave
Speaker 3: the region. Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly and Michael Sooker
Speaker 3: would join me live. Mark Scott refuses to resign and
Speaker 3: the pressure on him is mounting. Queensland Premier Stephen Miles
Speaker 3: is facing a landslide loss against the Liberal National.
Speaker 2: Party in the upcoming election.
Speaker 3: More on that with Brodwin Bishop and Caleb Bond shortly
Speaker 3: plus anger at law enforcement revealing in public there was
Speaker 3: a bounty on Trump's head. But first tonight, let's start
Speaker 3: with the war in Israel and Lebanon. Prime Minister Anthony
Speaker 3: Alberizi is urging Australians in Lebanon to leave immediately as
Speaker 3: fighting escalators and war looks inevitable. This is the war
Speaker 3: Israel never wanted. It's the war Hesbela has been provoking
Speaker 3: for nearly twelve months. Just one day after the October
Speaker 3: seven attacks, when Israel was in shock in mourning and
Speaker 3: still fighting off the terrorists in the south. That's when
Speaker 3: Hesbela began its onslaught in the north. Since then, the
Speaker 3: around proxy group has fired more than eight thousand rockets
Speaker 3: and deployed hundreds of attack drones. Forty eight people who
Speaker 3: have been killed and hundreds injured. The missiles have been indiscriminate,
Speaker 3: intended to target Israeli civilians, and Hesbela, don't forget, also
Speaker 3: killed twelve Israeli Drew's children while they were playing soccer.
Speaker 3: These attacks, all of them, were clear acts of war
Speaker 3: from Hesbela, unprovoked. If it weren't for Israel's high tech
Speaker 3: defense systems, thousands more innocent civilians would.
Speaker 2: Have been killed.
Speaker 3: As it is, eighty thousand families have been evacuated from
Speaker 3: their homes in northern Israel, and just recently Israel made
Speaker 3: it clear that a new objective of the war was
Speaker 3: for these families to return home, for schools to reopen,
Speaker 3: for people to go back to work.
Speaker 1: We will take whatever action is necessary to restore security
Speaker 1: and to bring our people safe back to their homes.
Speaker 3: Now, this is an understandable objective, and it's led to
Speaker 3: Israel finally retaliating first with a warning the pager and
Speaker 3: walkie talkie attacks. Then when Hesbela didn't stop, didn't get
Speaker 3: the message. Well, now Israel has carried out an assault
Speaker 3: on Hesbela targets with five hundred killed over an Now
Speaker 3: Israel has begged the United Nations and the international community
Speaker 3: for help in stopping Hesbelah. This hasn't worked. Benjamin Ettanyahu
Speaker 3: wants Hesbelah to retreat north of the so called blue
Speaker 3: line of the Latani River. This would remove the threat
Speaker 3: of cross border incursions, and it was the YUN Secretary
Speaker 3: General's two thousand declaration. Yet Foreign Minister pennywe here in
Speaker 3: Australia apparently doesn't support Israel daring to defend itself against
Speaker 3: a terror group that's been attacking its citizens almost daily
Speaker 3: for the past year.
Speaker 4: Mister hundreds did I've worked apparently in the rapidly read
Speaker 4: up forming rights by Israel, and you talk of the escamation.
Speaker 4: You're not feeding a lot of blood in your college.
Speaker 4: But how can you avoid hid in some way Israel
Speaker 4: bring in hostilities like that?
Speaker 5: Well, I again repeat what I said earlier, which we
Speaker 5: are deeply concerned by this escalation.
Speaker 2: And the loss.
Speaker 5: Of civilian lives and we would urge all parties to
Speaker 5: de escalate.
Speaker 3: And that's all we see from the alban Ezy government
Speaker 3: constant criticism of Israel.
Speaker 2: Pennywong says that Israel has.
Speaker 3: The right to defend itself, but then when it does
Speaker 3: against terrorism, she calls for Israel to de escalate or
Speaker 3: to have a cease fire, in other words, to lay
Speaker 3: down arms, to stop defending itself, to let its civilians
Speaker 3: get killed. The Prime Minister today also reiterated the same
Speaker 3: cause to stop Israel fighting.
Speaker 6: Terrorists, Billy Pennywong and signaling that people need to leave Lebanon.
Speaker 6: If they're Australian citizens, they should get out. Are you
Speaker 6: very fearful of a growing an all out conflict in
Speaker 6: the Middle East?
Speaker 7: Well, i am, and we have called for a de escalation.
Speaker 7: We've called for a ceasefire, We're called for hots Us
Speaker 7: to be released, and we have called along with the
Speaker 7: United States, for the support for Joe Biden's peace plan.
Speaker 3: Now there's no reason for conflict between Israel and Lebanon,
Speaker 3: and I weren't for the radical terrorist group Hezblah, Lebanon
Speaker 3: and Israel would be allies and live side by side
Speaker 3: in peace. It's a point Greg Sheridan made today.
Speaker 8: There is no quarrel between Lebanon and Israel. Hez Bola
Speaker 8: is a fundamentalist, extremist, fanatical She'i terrorist group, prescribed under
Speaker 8: Australian law as a terrorist and outlawed terrorist organization. Its
Speaker 8: core ideology involves a hatred of the West, a hatred
Speaker 8: of Jews, a hatred of Israel, a determination to wipe
Speaker 8: Israel off the map.
Speaker 3: Now a lot of Australians have family in Lebanon and
Speaker 3: will be looking on in horror about what's happening in
Speaker 3: their country. The Lebanese population and Christians in particular, are
Speaker 3: in dismay at the war.
Speaker 2: Hesbela is on the brink of invoking.
Speaker 3: There's no love lost between Hesbela and Lebanese Christians. The
Speaker 3: fifteen year Lebanese Civil War only ended in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: The suffering still a vivid memory, and it's why there
Speaker 3: was so much goodwill and empathy by Lebanese Christians for
Speaker 3: the Israelis attacked by Hermas on October seventh. No one
Speaker 3: in Lebanon, or Israel or Australia wants to see innocent
Speaker 3: civilians caught in the crossfire, and Yetiyahoo last night spoke
Speaker 3: directly to Lebanese citizens saying that Israel's war wasn't with them.
Speaker 1: The Idea for Us warned you to get out of
Speaker 1: Harm's work. I urge you take this warning seriously. Don't
Speaker 1: let his balain danger your lives and the lives of
Speaker 1: your loved ones. Don't let his Balain danger Lebanon.
Speaker 3: There's no question the Islamic terror groups are wreaking havoc
Speaker 3: in the Middle East thanks to the funding of Iran.
Speaker 3: There's also increasing coordination between Hamas and Hesbela, all orchestrated
Speaker 3: by Iran. Hamas leader Ishmael Haniya and HESBELA head Hassan
Speaker 3: Nasrallah have even been pictured together.
Speaker 2: You can see them on the screen.
Speaker 3: They're united by their hatred for the West, for Jews,
Speaker 3: and their desire to destroy Israel. And in this photograph
Speaker 3: you can see the Harmas and Hesbela leadership meeting and
Speaker 3: there's photographs of Iran supreme leaders.
Speaker 2: On the wall. Now.
Speaker 3: HESBLA is one of the richest terror organizations globally. It's
Speaker 3: on your budget around one billion dollars US, and Iran
Speaker 3: gives the group hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
Speaker 3: For nearly a year now, Israel has been urging Hesbela
Speaker 3: to back down, saying it doesn't want.
Speaker 2: To go to war.
Speaker 3: Hesbela has chosen this path. It has chosen war. Perhaps
Speaker 3: if the international community had put more effort into pressuring Hesbela,
Speaker 3: her Mus and their supporters, if they truly squeezed a.
Speaker 2: Ran, we may not be in this predicament. Now.
Speaker 3: The nuclear debate is ramping up in Australia. Peter Dutton
Speaker 3: has outlined his vision in a major speech, but all
Speaker 3: the Easy is hell bent on attacking it.
Speaker 9: Each nuclear plant will create hundreds or thousands of new
Speaker 9: jobs too. New industries will flourish, thousands of jobs will
Speaker 9: be created. It will set our country and our manufacturing
Speaker 9: sectors up for generations to come.
Speaker 1: Because we know it doesn't add up.
Speaker 10: That's why, along with their anti capitalism agenda, they're saying
Speaker 10: that the state should own all the nuclear power plants
Speaker 10: because no one in any market based system would go
Speaker 10: anywhere near it.
Speaker 3: It's starting to look more and more unusual that Alban
Speaker 3: Easy is so against nuclear energy being part of Australia's
Speaker 3: mix when he's clearly now at odds with the international community.
Speaker 3: Around thirty countries internationally are embracing nuclear already, and now
Speaker 3: the world's largest banks have pledged support for nuclear The
Speaker 3: Financial Times reporting today that fourteen of the world's biggest
Speaker 3: banks and financial institutions are pledging to increase their support
Speaker 3: for nuclear energy, a move that governments and industry hope
Speaker 3: will unlock finance for a new wave of nuclear power.
Speaker 3: Plants and White House officials held a meeting in New
Speaker 3: York on Monday with the Bank of America, Barclays, BNP, Parabus,
Speaker 3: City Dog, and Stanley and Goldman Sachs to support a
Speaker 3: goal to triple the world's nuclear energy capacity by twenty fifty.
Speaker 3: They say this is part of the transition to low
Speaker 3: carbon energy, and in fact BNP told The Financial Times
Speaker 3: there's no scenario where the world can hit carbon neutrality
Speaker 3: by twenty fifty without nuclear power. Yet still alban Easy
Speaker 3: thinks he knows better than the White House and the
Speaker 3: major banks. He's turning the idea of nuclear energy into
Speaker 3: an attack on Peter Dutton.
Speaker 7: This is just a fantasy.
Speaker 10: Instead of snow White and the Seven Dwarves, this is
Speaker 10: Peter Dutton, the seven Nuclear reactors.
Speaker 3: But why does Albineazy think he knows more about energy
Speaker 3: security and sustainability than the world's smartest people. Once again,
Speaker 3: he's clearly out of step with the international community, and
Speaker 3: once again it's all because of petty politics. All right,
Speaker 3: lots to come on the show tonight. Former Labor Minister
Speaker 3: Mike Kelly would join me shortly. He's going to be
Speaker 3: very strong also, Michael Silker coming up on the show.
Speaker 3: But first let's go to my usual Tuesday panel, former
Speaker 3: Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and Sky News host
Speaker 3: Caleb Bond.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Look, Bron, I want to start by getting your reaction
Speaker 3: to this nuclear debate. That was quite a meeting, the
Speaker 3: world's financial institutions all pledging to support nuclear how benys,
Speaker 3: he is looking more and more out of step, isn't he.
Speaker 11: What's worse than that? You were talking about the smartest
Speaker 11: people in the world and al benez he certainly is
Speaker 11: not one of them. He really is elbow the trot
Speaker 11: and he was never expected to be a leader of anything.
Speaker 11: So what we're seeing is that the speech that Dutton
Speaker 11: gave today was a really very fine speech, and his
Speaker 11: response to questions showed that he's on top of his brief,
Speaker 11: he knows what he's about, and he outland a plan
Speaker 11: that said and pointed out, among other things that were
Speaker 11: the development of AI and other industries, that the demand
Speaker 11: for more power, reliable power is going to increase, not decrease,
Speaker 11: and that intermittent power can't do it. And so Albanese's
Speaker 11: pathetic little interludes I think just show how pathetic he
Speaker 11: really is. I think Peter Dutton also made the point
Speaker 11: that immediately they agreed to the ORCA still and said fine,
Speaker 11: we can have nuclear subs, they'd really laid to rest
Speaker 11: the fear of nuclear in this country. But they're so
Speaker 11: desperate to have anything to say when they lost the voice,
Speaker 11: they lost their mojo, they lost their direction. They really
Speaker 11: are just scrambling around, and so we really have to
Speaker 11: say we're listening to the people who've got sensible plans
Speaker 11: and we know it's good for the country.
Speaker 3: Caleb that point that Bronman just made, that discrepancy between
Speaker 3: the government's embrace of nuclear powered submarines but then it's
Speaker 3: rejection of nuclear for energy more broadly, that is something
Speaker 3: the coalition is now starting to seize on as part
Speaker 3: of its arguments.
Speaker 2: Do you think that'll be convincing.
Speaker 12: I think it is well. I mean the argument from
Speaker 12: the government is entirely nonsensical. I mean, how can you
Speaker 12: possibly say that it is safe to have submarines swimming
Speaker 12: around in the ocean powered by nuclear energy, but it's
Speaker 12: not safe to have nuclear energy in places in Australia
Speaker 12: that are some of the most geologically stable parts of
Speaker 12: the world. It is a nonsensical argument and we saw
Speaker 12: that in the reaction from the government when Darton seid,
Speaker 12: we'll here are the nine odd locations on which we
Speaker 12: want to put nuclear reactors. I mean, we had these
Speaker 12: silly memes being put forward by ministers of the government
Speaker 12: for him AND's sake, saying you know, we're going to
Speaker 12: have three eyed fish and your children are going to
Speaker 12: have two heads and all this sort of stuff, because
Speaker 12: they know they've lost the moral argument. There is broad
Speaker 12: support now in Australia for nuclear energy, so they fell
Speaker 12: for the three card trick and went for the old
Speaker 12: stuff from the eighties, you know, Chernobyl and then later
Speaker 12: of course Fukushima. Supposedly it's all going to fall apart
Speaker 12: if we have nuclear energy. We know that's not going
Speaker 12: to happen. And to the point you made bron went
Speaker 12: about the reliance on extra power to fund things like AI.
Speaker 12: You look to the US. In the last couple of days, Microsoft,
Speaker 12: one of the post tech companies in the world, has
Speaker 12: paid for twenty years for a nuclear reactor to be
Speaker 12: recommissioned so they can have power exclusively for themselves to
Speaker 12: fund AI technology. Now, if that does not tell you
Speaker 12: that the biggest companies in the world are full bore
Speaker 12: on nuclear but Elbow says, no, no, no, we couldn't
Speaker 12: possibly have it. I mean giving it bruh.
Speaker 3: And I think politically it was actually a really smart
Speaker 3: move that Peter Dutton announced this policy so far out
Speaker 3: from the election, because it's giving him time to convince
Speaker 3: the public, it's giving everyone the time to get used
Speaker 3: to it. So I think that was a smart move
Speaker 3: given initially it might have seemed like a controversial policy.
Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at the RBA decision today.
Speaker 3: It has yet again kept interest rates on hold at
Speaker 3: four point three five percent.
Speaker 2: This is now the.
Speaker 3: Seventh meeting in a row. Inflation continues to simmer. However,
Speaker 3: here was Governor Michelle Bullock today we might bring you
Speaker 3: those comments in a moment, do you have We haven't
Speaker 3: got the comments there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, inflation is still above our target and it's proving
Speaker 5: to be sticky progressing, getting underlying inflation down has slowed
Speaker 5: and it's likely to have remained slow in the September quarter.
Speaker 3: So it's not looking like we're going to see any
Speaker 3: rate cuts this year.
Speaker 2: Browin it might be well into next year, even might not.
Speaker 3: Even be the first quarter before we see a rate cut,
Speaker 3: given inflation is staying high.
Speaker 11: Exactly, And this argument that because they've been reduced internationally,
Speaker 11: therefore they should be reduced here. People forget to tell
Speaker 11: you that the reduced interest rate in the States is
Speaker 11: still higher than the cash rate he is here, and
Speaker 11: higher again in the UK. So the argument that says,
Speaker 11: or rather that the snake charmer, the illusionist says, the
Speaker 11: independent RBA is doing all this. It's not me, it's
Speaker 11: not us, and we've got to have this wake up
Speaker 11: that we're both doing our job. It's this absolute attempt
Speaker 11: to blame the RBA for the incompetence of the government
Speaker 11: by increasing its spending, which has made the inflation rate
Speaker 11: worse than it should be. So I find the whole
Speaker 11: idea that both Albow and Sharma and Charmers think that
Speaker 11: if they wish hard enough and they cross their fingers
Speaker 11: and toes and if they're really good little people say
Speaker 11: their present night, get a cuts wrote, they'll get a
Speaker 11: cup the interstrate because otherwise they've got a built up
Speaker 11: on the people they appointed to these positions that are
Speaker 11: making decisions and they're not doing as they're told.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean the whole political strategy from
Speaker 3: the GM was he wanted a rate cut and then
Speaker 3: he wanted to announce the election as.
Speaker 11: I still think an early election is more likely than not.
Speaker 3: Well, you're going to be saying that until we're like
Speaker 3: it well into the seven that we know how the
Speaker 3: election from let's pivot to the US. A letter by
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's second would be assassin has been discovered now.
Speaker 3: Ryan Ruth wrote the letter in case his assassination attempt
Speaker 3: on the golf course failed, and it's an insight into
Speaker 3: his thoughts, but it's provoked a lot of controversy. He wrote,
Speaker 3: Dear world, this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: but I'm so sorry I failed you. I tried my
Speaker 3: best and gave it all the gumpshn I could muster.
Speaker 3: It's up to you to finish the job, and I
Speaker 3: will offer one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to whoever
Speaker 3: can complete the job. Caleb, there's now why it spread
Speaker 3: outrage that this note has been made public, because the
Speaker 3: argument is that it incites, it encourages another assassination attempt.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 12: That may well be true, but it is also a
Speaker 12: pretty important piece of evidence that at some point had
Speaker 12: to come out in court anyway. So whether we found
Speaker 12: it out now or whether we found it out later,
Speaker 12: it was probably going to be it at some point.
Speaker 12: I think it goes to exactly how divided America is
Speaker 12: at the moment and the real threat that still exists
Speaker 12: on the head of Donald Trump. Republican Rep. Matt Gates
Speaker 12: revealed the other day that he has spoken to people,
Speaker 12: or at least one person in Homeland Security and they
Speaker 12: have the understanding that there are at least five groups currently,
Speaker 12: including three that are led by foreign nations, that have
Speaker 12: a bounty on Donald Trump's head. They want Donald Trump dead. Now,
Speaker 12: whether or not this letter was released, those groups are
Speaker 12: still out there. There is still danger to Donald Trump.
Speaker 12: Someone I'm convinced between now and November is going to
Speaker 12: try to get him again. The real question is why
Speaker 12: he has not been given extra protection, and I suspect
Speaker 12: it's because there are certain people who don't want him
Speaker 12: to have extra protection because they'd rather him dead than
Speaker 12: elected in November.
Speaker 3: Well, he's still I think all those points you made,
Speaker 3: by the way, are excellent, Caleb, but I think he
Speaker 3: still does have less protection.
Speaker 2: Does and he then the current president?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the evidence shows the threats on his life
Speaker 3: are greater.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: It looks like it's more than likely there'll be another
Speaker 3: attempt on his life.
Speaker 11: Well, the worrying thing is who is it that's stopping
Speaker 11: the protection from being given? And it plases the vice president,
Speaker 11: I think in a very invidious position. If I were her,
Speaker 11: I would be demanding he'd be given top protection. You
Speaker 11: are to it looks like she doesn't care, and I
Speaker 11: think more should be made of that point. But in
Speaker 11: that letter, I agree with you. I think that letter
Speaker 11: was going to come out, and it needed to come
Speaker 11: out because they've got to keep that bloken jail, not
Speaker 11: let him out on bail. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 2: I couldn't possibly do well.
Speaker 11: It's being argued that he states, and it's being argued
Speaker 11: that he's not a risk of the society, and he
Speaker 11: said Donald Trump.
Speaker 12: But it proves the point that some were trying to
Speaker 12: make in the leftist media in the US last week
Speaker 12: that this was a potential assassination, that there was no
Speaker 12: potential about it. We now know exactly what he wanted
Speaker 12: to do. We cannot get around that. That letter proves.
Speaker 11: What about that incredible woman who saw it there would
Speaker 11: be assassin? Thought he looked creepy, looked wrong, and she
Speaker 11: followed him and took photographs of the number plate and
Speaker 11: so on. She's a heroine.
Speaker 2: We should hear more about her exactly.
Speaker 3: But again it goes to your point, why weren't there
Speaker 3: security protracting the location more thoroughly.
Speaker 2: Why did it have to come down to civilians.
Speaker 11: INDI that's exactly the point. And I think more of
Speaker 11: this should be cheated home to Kamela because she is
Speaker 11: in the position to do something about it.
Speaker 3: And even we know even before either of the assassination attempts,
Speaker 3: there were those in the Congress who were trying to
Speaker 3: remove his se career protection entire It's complete outrage. No
Speaker 3: matter what you think of any politician, we're in a
Speaker 3: democracy and both need to make it to the election.
Speaker 3: Speaking of elections, news poll shows that the Queensland Premier,
Speaker 3: Stephen Miles is facing a landslide defeat against the Liberal
Speaker 3: National Party in next month's election. The opposition is ten
Speaker 3: points clear of Labor, so this is clearly paving the
Speaker 3: way for David Chris A Foley to lead an L
Speaker 3: ANDP majority government. Caleb, he claims he's got an underdog status,
Speaker 3: but look this defeat for Labor, it's been a long
Speaker 3: time coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, you know you'd have to think that he doesn't
Speaker 12: have underdog status. But also you don't want to fall
Speaker 12: into the trap of looking to cocky or confidence sure
Speaker 12: exactly going into an election like this, because you never
Speaker 12: know things can change. And this is the difficulty, right
Speaker 12: because if you go out there and say, well, it's
Speaker 12: a lay down mazare, the voters will actually turn against
Speaker 12: you because they will get the impression that you don't
Speaker 12: really care because you've taken advantage of us. You think
Speaker 12: we're going to hand your government anyway. So he has
Speaker 12: to say that they have underdog status and if by
Speaker 12: the numbers. You look at how long Labor has spent
Speaker 12: in power in Queensland compared to the LNP, particularly given
Speaker 12: the fact that the last LNP government in the Queensland
Speaker 12: in Queensland Sorry, only lasted one term. Then he actually
Speaker 12: does have the right to claim that they have underdog status.
Speaker 12: It's just that this version of the government under Mars
Speaker 12: has done so badly that he's coughed it up. Something
Speaker 12: tells me that if an a stage of Palichet were
Speaker 12: still the leader, they would fare better than they would
Speaker 12: under right now.
Speaker 6: They might rue the day that they got rid.
Speaker 11: Of from giggling pretenders out there, indeed.
Speaker 2: But I think the.
Speaker 11: Real thing is there's still a lot of seats they
Speaker 11: have to win, Yes, and he's entitled to say that's
Speaker 11: underdog step and when you've got that.
Speaker 3: Many, so any leader would love those polls.
Speaker 11: Yes, but kind of makes a very valid point. If
Speaker 11: you get over confident, you could end up like mister Shorten.
Speaker 3: All right, there you go, bromin Bishop and Calebon. Great
Speaker 3: to see both in Caleb, of course, we'll see you
Speaker 3: back here at ten o'clock tonight. Now returning to today's
Speaker 3: top story, where Australians in Lebanon are tonight being told
Speaker 3: to leave immediately as fighting between Israel and Hesbela escalates.
Speaker 3: Israel is targeting Hesbela's weapons which have been hidden in
Speaker 3: Lebanese homes, and overnight almost five.
Speaker 2: Hundred people were killed.
Speaker 3: Liberal Shadow Minister for Housing and anddis Michael Souoka joins
Speaker 3: me now from Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Michael, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 3: Now, I've asked you on tonight because you personally have
Speaker 3: Lebanese heritage, have family right now in Lebanon in the north.
Speaker 3: So can you share with us how you're feeling about
Speaker 3: the fact that really Israel is on the brink of war.
Speaker 13: Well, it's obviously heartbreaking for the Lebanese people, and Lebanon
Speaker 13: has suffered more than its share of these sorts of
Speaker 13: problems for forty years now, and it's heartbreaking to see
Speaker 13: what's happening because we have a terrorist organization in Hezbala
Speaker 13: who is almost a state within a state, who is
Speaker 13: not operating in the best interests of Lebanon. They are
Speaker 13: they're doing the bidding of the Mullas in Tehran. They
Speaker 13: are a proxy entity of Iran who have been bombarding
Speaker 13: Israel and attacking Israel, and now Israel's hit back, and
Speaker 13: sadly it's the innocent Lebanese people who suffer because of
Speaker 13: the actions of HESB. And you refer to some of
Speaker 13: the homes that had had munitions placed within them, I'm
Speaker 13: reliably informed that there were some of those owners of
Speaker 13: those homes who had absolutely no idea that that was happening.
Speaker 13: So could you imagine how disgraceful that is to place
Speaker 13: innocent people in harm's way like that. But sadly that's
Speaker 13: what Hezbala has done. For your viewers who don't follow
Speaker 13: Middle East, and let alone Lebanese politics particularly closely, Hezbaala
Speaker 13: is as I said, a government within a government almost
Speaker 13: they operate almost independently of the external government or the
Speaker 13: Lebanese army, and are fully funded by Iran, take their
Speaker 13: orders from Iran, and are not there doing anything, not
Speaker 13: fighting for Lebanese interests, not fighting for the interests of
Speaker 13: any Palestinians either. They are there fighting for the interests
Speaker 13: of Iran, and now sadly, innocent Lebanese people are paying
Speaker 13: the price.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and an outcome that nobody has wanted. A lot
Speaker 3: of the media reports today painted the picture of Israel
Speaker 3: being at war with Lebanon. But you know, it's not
Speaker 3: that simple. Lebanese citizens, in particular Christians, hate the way
Speaker 3: Hesbela is bringing war to the country and there has
Speaker 3: been a long history of conflict. I mentioned earlier in
Speaker 3: the show, the civil war that went for fifteen years.
Speaker 3: So Michael, can you tell us a bit about that,
Speaker 3: about how Lebanese Christians, you know, have this long animosity
Speaker 3: towards Hesbela.
Speaker 13: Well, Hesbella is almost they run a shadow government in
Speaker 13: a sense. They have caused gridlock in the Lebanese parliament.
Speaker 2: They have not allowed for.
Speaker 13: The succession of a new president, the president who under
Speaker 13: the constitution and by convention is a Maronite Catholic. They
Speaker 13: have in a sense cause gridlock in the parliament, and
Speaker 13: gridlock works for them in the sense that if the
Speaker 13: democratic institutions of Lebanon are not working, that their power
Speaker 13: is greater. And Lebanon's obviously suffered a significant economic crisis,
Speaker 13: but the rivers of gold from Tehran continue to fund Hezbalah, who,
Speaker 13: as I said, have been making incursions and bombing into Israel.
Speaker 13: And so it's not a war between Israel and Lebanon.
Speaker 13: It's Israel seeking to wipe out a terrorist organization on
Speaker 13: their border. And the truth is it's not just Lebanese Christians,
Speaker 13: it's also Sunnis and some sites who who put their
Speaker 13: country first, who are Lebanese first, and anybody who puts
Speaker 13: Lebanon first and the integrity of its borders and its
Speaker 13: institutions and its democracy, they tend to be vehemently opposed
Speaker 13: to Hesbalah, who, as I said, are a shadow government
Speaker 13: who run their own shadow army essentially, and as we're
Speaker 13: seeing now, don't care about the interests of Lebanon. They
Speaker 13: care about the interests of Iran, and they take orders
Speaker 13: from Iran, and Iran has told them to bomb Israel.
Speaker 13: And now Israel is understandably hitting back because you can't
Speaker 13: have a terrorist organization sending in volleys of bombs on
Speaker 13: a daily basis without it being answered in some way.
Speaker 3: No, of course, I'm going to speak with the former
Speaker 3: Labor Minister Mike Kelly in a moment about what the
Speaker 3: international community could have done to bring more pressure on
Speaker 3: Hasbala instead of criticizing Israel all the time.
Speaker 2: But Michael, you are the shadow.
Speaker 3: Minister for Housing, so I do want to ask you
Speaker 3: about this critical issue. We're seeing the Albanezi government blaming
Speaker 3: the Coalition and the Greens for the housing crisis, accusing
Speaker 3: you of blocking legislation. What is your main objection to
Speaker 3: the laws that Labour's been putting forward.
Speaker 13: Well, what Labour's announced here, which they announced before the
Speaker 13: election and took them over two years to introduce into
Speaker 13: the parliament, so it can't be that urgent if it
Speaker 13: took them two years to do so. Is a minuscule scheme.
Speaker 13: It's a shared equity scheme. There's a couple of reasons
Speaker 13: why we don't support it. It's five and a half
Speaker 13: billion dollars of taxpayers money for a scheme that has
Speaker 13: already existed in most of our states or territories. Basically,
Speaker 13: shared equity is when you co own the home with
Speaker 13: the government. In a sense you have Anthony Albanezi at
Speaker 13: the kitchen table. These schemes have not been a success
Speaker 13: in New South Wales, for example, under their scheme when
Speaker 13: this was first introduced, more than ninety percent of the
Speaker 13: places in the New South Wales scheme was still available.
Speaker 13: So what the Albanzi government has done here is they've
Speaker 13: tried to create a bill that makes it look like
Speaker 13: they're trying to do something when they're really not trying
Speaker 13: to do anything, because shared equity schemes have already been
Speaker 13: rejected by Austrains and the last thing we need is
Speaker 13: for them to be spending another five and a half
Speaker 13: billion dollars on a miniskilled, tiny scheme that would hardly
Speaker 13: impact anybody that's quite frankly been rejected by Australians anyway.
Speaker 13: The truth is under this government, we have fewer homes
Speaker 13: being built, fewer homes being approved, We've got record levels
Speaker 13: of migration which are pushing up rents. This is Labour's
Speaker 13: housing crisis. And the sad news for your viewers is
Speaker 13: that Labour's housing crisis is just getting worse. It's not
Speaker 13: getting better, because they're still bringing in more than five
Speaker 13: hundred thousand migrants up in the last twelve months, when
Speaker 13: we're building fewer homes than we're being built when I
Speaker 13: was the Housing Minister in the former coalition government and
Speaker 13: when we had record levels of first home buyers. So
Speaker 13: everything's got worse on Anthony Albaneze's watch, and there's no
Speaker 13: answers and it.
Speaker 3: Looks like the migration figures aren't going to come down
Speaker 3: as the government said they would as well. Michael Siker
Speaker 3: really appreciate your time tonight and I hope you're family
Speaker 3: stay safe.
Speaker 2: Now still to come.
Speaker 3: Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly joins Me Live to talk
Speaker 3: about why he thinks Penny Wong and the government of
Speaker 3: failing on the Middle East and the plan to offer
Speaker 3: cashbacks for workers who return to the office. Stay tuned,
Speaker 3: There's a lot more coming up. Welcome back. Over the
Speaker 3: past year, we've seen thousands of unprovoked terror attacks against Israel,
Speaker 3: yet there's been pressure from Western leaders towards Israel for
Speaker 3: daring to fight back and keep its citizens safe instead
Speaker 3: of coming down hard on Hamas, Hesbela and Iran. The
Speaker 3: international community keeps criticizing Israel. Amnesty International and the United
Speaker 3: Nations aren't jumping up and down about the clear cut
Speaker 3: war crimes of Hamas and Hesbela like the slaughter of
Speaker 3: babies in cots, but they're issuing press releases accusing Israel
Speaker 3: of war crimes by daring to kill terrorists targeted attacks.
Speaker 3: Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly has written an article where
Speaker 3: he says that Israel has been acting in self defense
Speaker 3: in this conflict with Hesbela restraining its response to defeating
Speaker 3: the actual rocket, drone and ballistic missile launchers, and he adds,
Speaker 3: and this is such a great line, he says, instead
Speaker 3: of trying to wage law fair against Israel, the international
Speaker 3: community should focus on getting Hesbela and Iran to end
Speaker 3: their warmongering and comply with Resolution seventeen oh one. And
Speaker 3: I'm pleased to say I've got the former Labor minister
Speaker 3: with me now. Mike, thank you very much for your
Speaker 3: time on the program. Once again, Can we start with
Speaker 3: why the international community is, as you put it, trying
Speaker 3: to wage law fair against Israel rather than putting pressure
Speaker 3: on the terror groups and the parties that fund them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Unfortunately this is working on a couple of levels. S.
Speaker 14: You have that malign rectangle of autocracies Russia, China, Iran
Speaker 14: and North Korea who all have the self interest of
Speaker 14: mounting a concerted information warfare campaign that serves their interests
Speaker 14: in discrediting the West and also uplifting their interests in
Speaker 14: the region and elsewhere. At the same time, of course,
Speaker 14: they're not doing any services to the populations of that region.
Speaker 14: And I really hope for the best for Michael Sukhar's family,
Speaker 14: and it's a terrible tragedy for the region to see
Speaker 14: what Iran is doing in particular, and they are mounting
Speaker 14: effectively an imperialist, warmongering endeavor that's been in place now
Speaker 14: for a good few decades, but in particular this network
Speaker 14: that they've surrounded Israel with of the Hesbalah hamas Uti
Speaker 14: proxies and effectively turned Lebanon and Syria into almost provinces
Speaker 14: of Iran and Iraq's on the way to becoming a protectorate.
Speaker 14: So all of those venues have been the source of
Speaker 14: multiple missile attacks against Israel. And we have to remember,
Speaker 14: of course, that began the day after October seventh, and
Speaker 14: the heinous assault by Hamas before Israel had even engaged
Speaker 14: in any countermeasures. And so this was the coordinated effort
Speaker 14: and it wasn't part of any attempts to defend themselves.
Speaker 14: It was a war of aggression against Israel that the
Speaker 14: international community has failed to focus on and address.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The international community, or more specifically the United Nations Security
Speaker 3: Council and Resolution seventeen oh one. Look, it did come
Speaker 3: up with a plan after the two thousand and six
Speaker 3: Lebanon war, and this involved having that blue line the
Speaker 3: Latany River. Hasbela would not go south of that, and
Speaker 3: you know it required as well disarmament of Hasbela.
Speaker 2: This hasn't happened.
Speaker 3: Instead, Hesbla has only plitarized in the south and it's
Speaker 3: now and for the past year it's been using it
Speaker 3: as a base to attack Israel. Can you talk us
Speaker 3: through why Israel does actually have a duty and obligation
Speaker 3: and a right under the UN Charter to defend its citizens.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, So it's very clear. The UN Charter spells out
Speaker 14: in Article fifty one that every member state has the
Speaker 14: right to defend itself against an attack. So an attack
Speaker 14: against whatever source, it doesn't have to be another member state,
Speaker 14: it can be these non state actors. So it's exercising
Speaker 14: its right of self defense in defending itself Israel's actions
Speaker 14: against Hezballah very clearly. But also it's a failure of
Speaker 14: the international system that compounds the problem in that in
Speaker 14: two thousand and six, when Israel was responding to the
Speaker 14: cross border attacks from Hesbala then and a war ensued,
Speaker 14: agreed to withdraw its troops from southern Lebanon in exchange
Speaker 14: for eventeen zero one in that resolution spelling out that yes,
Speaker 14: HEZBLA had to withdraw and there would be beefing up
Speaker 14: of UNIFIL two to the tune of eleven five hundred
Speaker 14: peacekeepers and troops in that organization, and there was instead
Speaker 14: of the demilitarization of the south of the border area
Speaker 14: south of Latani sorry and the demilitarization of Hezbola, it
Speaker 14: was in a massive escalation of their capability. So they've
Speaker 14: gone to one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand
Speaker 14: rockets and missiles in their arsenal. They have developed an
Speaker 14: incredibly sophisticated and enormous underground infrastructure in Southernly but on
Speaker 14: that dwarfs the Hamas endeavors in Gaza tunnels that can
Speaker 14: take rocket launches for these fat one to ten missiles.
Speaker 14: They can travel along those tunnels and exit through designated
Speaker 14: points where they launched their missiles and scoot back into
Speaker 14: the tunnels. Vast caverns that were helped in the construction
Speaker 14: by North Korea who provided all their tunneling technology to
Speaker 14: hes BLAR, and then HESBLA were able to set up
Speaker 14: so called civil construction company fronts to finish that job
Speaker 14: off companies like appropriately G Hard Construction and a Musta
Speaker 14: for Construction, who sometimes engages, of course with the UN
Speaker 14: Development Program. But this is a massive capability right under
Speaker 14: the nose of these UN peacekeepers, And I asked where
Speaker 14: was their reports and amplification of alarms and information about this?
Speaker 14: Where was the UN? Where was the UN Secretary General
Speaker 14: for the last eighteen years in failing to orchestrate the
Speaker 14: international effort to force the compliance of Hesbla and Lebanon,
Speaker 14: because the Lebanese Army was also meant to then fill
Speaker 14: that void in southern Lebanon and finally give them the
Speaker 14: jurisdiction as a sovereign nation that they ought to have.
Speaker 14: So where was the UN and all that? Where was
Speaker 14: the international community in applying pressure on Iran and it's
Speaker 14: proxies to deliver that outcome to prevent the very situation
Speaker 14: that we see now, And where are their voices now
Speaker 14: putting pressure on Iran and Hezbala to diffuse this situation
Speaker 14: and in the suffering of the Lebanese.
Speaker 3: Mike Kelly, you speak, you make so much sense. You
Speaker 3: are such a rational voice desperately missing from the current
Speaker 3: Albanesi government. I mean you must look on at your
Speaker 3: old party, at your old team in Dismay.
Speaker 14: I just look on it, the whole scene at the
Speaker 14: moment where you know, we're not seeing rational debate, We're
Speaker 14: not seeing debate that reflects the actual provisions of the
Speaker 14: laws of armed conflict and international law. And failure encouraged
Speaker 14: to stand up to the propaganda and the voices of activism.
Speaker 14: That's not peacekeep peace activism, it's warmongering. These people don't
Speaker 14: want a ceasefire. They want the elimination of the state
Speaker 14: of Israel and the war escalated, and the elimination of
Speaker 14: the ten million people living there. But on that point,
Speaker 14: the genocidal agenda.
Speaker 3: But on that point, you know, the Foreign Minister and
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, they keep saying there needs to be
Speaker 3: an immediate cease fire. But at the same time they
Speaker 3: say her mask can't have a future role in the
Speaker 3: governing of Gaza. So how do they think her mass
Speaker 3: is going to be removed if Israel doesn't, through armed
Speaker 3: conflict remove her maas.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you think there's this well, what do
Speaker 2: you think about that?
Speaker 14: Well, I guess the phrase cognitive dissonance comes into mind. There. Effectively,
Speaker 14: we know that for the last seventeen years her mass
Speaker 14: has repressed its own people, has waged constant war against Israel,
Speaker 14: and Israel has been so restrained in the face of that,
Speaker 14: far beyond what any other country in the world would
Speaker 14: have been with the capability to respond that they have.
Speaker 14: And so where was the pressure on Hamas to stand down?
Speaker 14: It's relentless wars of firing minute rockets which are a
Speaker 14: walk rome and then conducting the most savage and hinous
Speaker 14: assault we have seen on their populations. So you know, frankly,
Speaker 14: the international community needs to get attack together if it
Speaker 14: wants long term peace for the region, apply the pressure
Speaker 14: where it needs to be. But just behaving as if
Speaker 14: Israel's the only party in this conflict which has agency,
Speaker 14: which just simply isn't true.
Speaker 3: Indeed, look, you are desperately missing from the Albanezy government.
Speaker 3: So many sane voices like yours, like Kimberly Kitchen, like
Speaker 3: Michael Danby.
Speaker 2: Are no longer in the government and then need it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time, really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Now after the break, the plan to offer cash backs
Speaker 3: to workers to get them back into the office, plus
Speaker 3: a look ahead at tomorrow's inflation data. Kelly Sloan and
Speaker 3: Nick Cator would join me after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get straight into it now with tonight's panel
Speaker 3: senior fellow at the Menzies Recent Search Santa Nick Cata
Speaker 3: and New South Wales Shadow Health Minister Kelly Sloane. Welcome
Speaker 3: to you both. Now the work from home debate is
Speaker 3: back in the spotlight. There's a new plan from the
Speaker 3: Liberal team head of Melbourne's council elections, and the Liberal
Speaker 3: campaign is pledging to offer a five percent cash back
Speaker 3: on council rates for businesses whose workers are in the
Speaker 3: office five days a week. Kelly, I think this is
Speaker 3: so interesting because the Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen came out
Speaker 3: and ridiculed the New Southwest Premier Chris Means for asking
Speaker 3: people to.
Speaker 2: Get back into the office.
Speaker 3: But clearly it's an issue when councils are looking at
Speaker 3: schemes like this, Well.
Speaker 15: It is because they're looking at their economies in the
Speaker 15: city and our cities have become desolate. Business is it
Speaker 15: needs a big boost and I think that means back
Speaker 15: to work for a lot of people. I know that
Speaker 15: our business chambers are calling for more people to get
Speaker 15: back in the city. When our state government in New
Speaker 15: South Wales announced back to work orders a month ago,
Speaker 15: there was initial pushback.
Speaker 2: People were rightly.
Speaker 15: Concerned, and especially I think those that have got used
Speaker 15: to the flexibility parents who had childcare in place.
Speaker 2: Were a bit alarmed.
Speaker 15: But they will come back and it's important that we
Speaker 15: get the city thriving again, back to pre COVID levels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ni Kita, what do you think about this idea?
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly the liberal team in Melbourne think it
Speaker 3: would be worth the discount financially or in an economic
Speaker 3: sense for Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 16: I understand the sentiment Shari, and Melbourne has suffered from
Speaker 16: particularly badly. The Melbourne CBD, particularly on a Monday and Friday,
Speaker 16: is virtually empty. But look, I just think we've got
Speaker 16: to stop spending money on these kind of things. We
Speaker 16: wasted billions and billions of dollars on these extensive lockdowns
Speaker 16: which were not necessary. A country like Sweden spent a
Speaker 16: faction of what we spent and came out with better
Speaker 16: results when it came to COVID deaths infections. It was
Speaker 16: a total waste of money. And please, we just stop
Speaker 16: spending any more money fixing up this fuss and this mess.
Speaker 16: And I think it's up to businesses. Businesses should demand
Speaker 16: that their workers come back because they're going to work
Speaker 16: much more efficiently in the office. And I don't think
Speaker 16: it's a job for councils to bry workers back to work.
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, although there is a bit of a split
Speaker 3: in the approach from businesses, and you know, some think
Speaker 3: to attract the best staff they need to have flexible
Speaker 3: working arrangements. We're seeing that this play out in the
Speaker 3: tech center, in the tech sector in particular. Now in
Speaker 3: New South Wales there is a nurse's strike at the
Speaker 3: moment and hospitals across the state are hanging on by
Speaker 3: a thread. Thousands of nurses walked off the job for
Speaker 3: twenty four hours today. Sydney streets had nurses protesting for
Speaker 3: a fifteen percent wage rise.
Speaker 2: But it's Kelly, It's meant that nearly five hundred.
Speaker 3: Elective surgeries were counceled the closure of eighty one beds.
Speaker 3: This puts a lot of pressure on the health system
Speaker 3: and people who are sick already. The health system is stretched.
Speaker 3: What does the government need to do here?
Speaker 15: Well, it is industrial chaos, another chapter in the industrial
Speaker 15: chaos that we're seeing in New South Wales. We've seen
Speaker 15: today the biggest rally by nurses since the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 15: nine thousand of them taking off, and you're quite right,
Speaker 15: it is putting our system under immense pressure, a system
Speaker 15: that has had back to back budget cuts by labor
Speaker 15: to health. It has record attendances to emergency departments.
Speaker 2: Our nurses are under immense.
Speaker 15: Pressure and that've been sold false hope by Labor. During
Speaker 15: the election campaign, Chris Mins was out in front of
Speaker 15: their hospitals, the nurses hospitals, talking up the dramas in
Speaker 15: the hospital, saying things needed to change. And when he's
Speaker 15: been absent from the bargaining table, they haven't had any
Speaker 15: advancements and today they've been rightly frustrated. I walked amongst
Speaker 15: some of the nurses today. They feel incredibly disappointed Labor.
Speaker 2: Josey Bailey.
Speaker 15: I just went into the rally, I walked out the
Speaker 15: front of We could hear it in the chamber in Parliament.
Speaker 15: It was that loud and so I walked out. I
Speaker 15: walked amongst them, and you know, the workers in New
Speaker 15: South Wales feel let down by their natural friends, which
Speaker 15: is labor, labor who we are now seeing, you know,
Speaker 15: industrial election, from the rail workers, from the transport workers,
Speaker 15: from the nurses, from the paramedics, from the CFMU, from
Speaker 15: the Electrical Trades Union, which is closing down building sites
Speaker 15: right across our city. This is labour's mess. They need
Speaker 15: to fix it. They need to get to the table.
Speaker 3: All right, Nick, I actually want to ask you about
Speaker 3: nuclear energy. We saw Peter Dutton tell the Telegraph that
Speaker 3: if Bob Hawk was still alive, he would be supporting
Speaker 3: nuclear energy as part of Australia's mix. But you know,
Speaker 3: we're starting to see this objection from Albow look quite
Speaker 3: illogical when the international community is coming to the table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Bob.
Speaker 16: Hawk would have backed this because he was a nation builder,
Speaker 16: unlike Albanizi, who's just about building his own stocks. And
Speaker 16: I think people like John Bradfield, you know, the guy
Speaker 16: who was responsible really for ensuring that the Harbor Bridge
Speaker 16: got built against a lot of objections at the time
Speaker 16: from people who said it's not needed, it's too expensive. Nobody,
Speaker 16: you know, ninety three years on would doubt that that
Speaker 16: was a very good investment. And John Monash, you know,
Speaker 16: people like that great commanders and a great engineer. Incidentally,
Speaker 16: this is a nation building exercise. If we build it,
Speaker 16: If we started planning for a nuclear power station right now,
Speaker 16: that nuclear power station would still be running when my
Speaker 16: granddaughter's great grandchildren were born, in fact, when her great
Speaker 16: great gan children were born or yours. This is not
Speaker 16: about the next fifteen years. This is about the next
Speaker 16: ninety or one hundred years. And if we were serious
Speaker 16: about building a nation and building a future for generations,
Speaker 16: that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, too often show thinking with governments.
Speaker 3: All right, Nick Cata, Kelly Sloane, thank you both very
Speaker 3: much for your time. Now, after the break, we'll look
Speaker 3: ahead to tomorrow's inflation data.
Speaker 2: Cam Reddin will join me next.
Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin
Speaker 3: in Cambra.
Speaker 2: Now, great to see you. Cam.
Speaker 3: Look at the RBA today left rates on hold. Is
Speaker 3: hope beginning to fade that there'll be a rate cut
Speaker 3: even in the first quarter of next year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Courny.
Speaker 17: Michelle Bull at the Governor's Show, she's saying pretty much
Speaker 17: forget about this year.
Speaker 2: We'll come back and have a look in the new year.
Speaker 17: And remember too, because of this new model of the
Speaker 17: Reserve Bank, they have fewer opportunities to move rates. And
Speaker 17: there was some thinking at the time when they cut
Speaker 17: the number of meetings from eleven down to eight that
Speaker 17: that might be an encouragement for the Reserve Bank if
Speaker 17: they were going to move at all, to bring any movements,
Speaker 17: whether that.
Speaker 2: Would be up all down Ford.
Speaker 17: So they've got more time to think, more time between meetings,
Speaker 17: meaning that if they were going to move, they should.
Speaker 2: Move earlier rather than later.
Speaker 17: But that hasn't really borne itself out, at least not
Speaker 17: yet in Michelle Bulook's time as the governor. But she's
Speaker 17: waiting to see some kind of inflation number that shows
Speaker 17: it's consistently back in the band. We don't have that yet,
Speaker 17: so as a result, it's pretty bad years for mortgage holders.
Speaker 17: You might wait what for maybe five months or more
Speaker 17: until that cut finally arrives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and speaking of inflation, obviously a big day tomorrow
Speaker 3: for the government. Are the monthly data on CPI out?
Speaker 3: What are you expecting?
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's at three and a half at the moment.
Speaker 17: Remember this is the monthly figure, not the big quarterly one,
Speaker 17: so it's a bit more volatile. But the expectation is
Speaker 17: it's actually going to look quite good. It could even
Speaker 17: have a two in front of it, which means it
Speaker 17: would at least temporarily be back in the target band
Speaker 17: that the Reserve Bank wants it in. But why it
Speaker 17: would be there, Shari is really important. Because petrol prices
Speaker 17: have come off a bit, that's good news, But the
Speaker 17: other main factor for that would be the government, both
Speaker 17: at the federal level and state levels, pumping in a
Speaker 17: lot of money towards energy bill rebates, which is a
Speaker 17: bit like putting your hand on a mattress. It pushes
Speaker 17: the price down temper rarely, but it's a little bit artificial.
Speaker 17: Once you take that help away, that's when it can
Speaker 17: spring back up. If the underlying trend of higher prices
Speaker 17: hasn't been fixed, So it could be a much better
Speaker 17: number tomorrow than it has been. But Michelle Bullock even
Speaker 17: said today, don't get your hopes up that we're going
Speaker 17: to see that everything's great, we're going to cut rates.
Speaker 17: She wants to see the big dump of data at
Speaker 17: the end of October. That's what will really guide the
Speaker 17: Reserve banks thinking when it comes to its next move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, still, if inflation is back in the target range tomorrow,
Speaker 3: No doubt that'll be something we'll see the government celebrating.
Speaker 3: Just thirty seconds, I want to get your take on
Speaker 3: news poll this week and what the figures show about
Speaker 3: whether voters are starting to blame the PM for the
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis.
Speaker 17: Well, they're certainly not giving him any credit for trying
Speaker 17: to fix it.
Speaker 11: Schari.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 17: You've seen the government give people income tax cuts, they're
Speaker 17: paying for their energy bills and the vote keeps on
Speaker 17: going down. And we saw the government try all week
Speaker 17: last week to try and get its housing bill through,
Speaker 17: blaming the Greens, blaming the Coalition, saying they're trying and
Speaker 17: they're stopping us. The vote still continues to drop. That
Speaker 17: is ringing the alarm bells. They need to turn something around.
Speaker 3: Indeed, cam Raidon, thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 3: from Canberra. And that's it from me. See you tomorrow.
Speaker 3: And here's Poul Murray