WEBVTT - Sharri | 24 September

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>The world's leading banks back a call for nuclear energy,

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<v Speaker 3>but Albanizi thinks he knows better. War in Lebanon and

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<v Speaker 3>Israel heats up as the government urges Australians to leave

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<v Speaker 3>the region. Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly and Michael Sooker

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<v Speaker 3>would join me live. Mark Scott refuses to resign and

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<v Speaker 3>the pressure on him is mounting. Queensland Premier Stephen Miles

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<v Speaker 3>is facing a landslide loss against the Liberal National.

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<v Speaker 2>Party in the upcoming election.

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<v Speaker 3>More on that with Brodwin Bishop and Caleb Bond shortly

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<v Speaker 3>plus anger at law enforcement revealing in public there was

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<v Speaker 3>a bounty on Trump's head. But first tonight, let's start

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<v Speaker 3>with the war in Israel and Lebanon. Prime Minister Anthony

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<v Speaker 3>Alberizi is urging Australians in Lebanon to leave immediately as

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<v Speaker 3>fighting escalators and war looks inevitable. This is the war

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<v Speaker 3>Israel never wanted. It's the war Hesbela has been provoking

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<v Speaker 3>for nearly twelve months. Just one day after the October

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<v Speaker 3>seven attacks, when Israel was in shock in mourning and

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<v Speaker 3>still fighting off the terrorists in the south. That's when

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbela began its onslaught in the north. Since then, the

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<v Speaker 3>around proxy group has fired more than eight thousand rockets

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<v Speaker 3>and deployed hundreds of attack drones. Forty eight people who

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<v Speaker 3>have been killed and hundreds injured. The missiles have been indiscriminate,

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<v Speaker 3>intended to target Israeli civilians, and Hesbela, don't forget, also

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<v Speaker 3>killed twelve Israeli Drew's children while they were playing soccer.

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<v Speaker 3>These attacks, all of them, were clear acts of war

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<v Speaker 3>from Hesbela, unprovoked. If it weren't for Israel's high tech

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<v Speaker 3>defense systems, thousands more innocent civilians would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have been killed.

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<v Speaker 3>As it is, eighty thousand families have been evacuated from

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<v Speaker 3>their homes in northern Israel, and just recently Israel made

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<v Speaker 3>it clear that a new objective of the war was

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<v Speaker 3>for these families to return home, for schools to reopen,

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<v Speaker 3>for people to go back to work.

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<v Speaker 1>We will take whatever action is necessary to restore security

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<v Speaker 1>and to bring our people safe back to their homes.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is an understandable objective, and it's led to

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<v Speaker 3>Israel finally retaliating first with a warning the pager and

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<v Speaker 3>walkie talkie attacks. Then when Hesbela didn't stop, didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>the message. Well, now Israel has carried out an assault

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<v Speaker 3>on Hesbela targets with five hundred killed over an Now

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<v Speaker 3>Israel has begged the United Nations and the international community

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<v Speaker 3>for help in stopping Hesbelah. This hasn't worked. Benjamin Ettanyahu

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<v Speaker 3>wants Hesbelah to retreat north of the so called blue

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<v Speaker 3>line of the Latani River. This would remove the threat

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<v Speaker 3>of cross border incursions, and it was the YUN Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>General's two thousand declaration. Yet Foreign Minister pennywe here in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia apparently doesn't support Israel daring to defend itself against

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<v Speaker 3>a terror group that's been attacking its citizens almost daily

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<v Speaker 3>for the past year.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister hundreds did I've worked apparently in the rapidly read

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<v Speaker 4>up forming rights by Israel, and you talk of the escamation.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not feeding a lot of blood in your college.

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<v Speaker 4>But how can you avoid hid in some way Israel

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<v Speaker 4>bring in hostilities like that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I again repeat what I said earlier, which we

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<v Speaker 5>are deeply concerned by this escalation.

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<v Speaker 2>And the loss.

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<v Speaker 5>Of civilian lives and we would urge all parties to

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<v Speaker 5>de escalate.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's all we see from the alban Ezy government

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<v Speaker 3>constant criticism of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Pennywong says that Israel has.

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<v Speaker 3>The right to defend itself, but then when it does

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<v Speaker 3>against terrorism, she calls for Israel to de escalate or

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<v Speaker 3>to have a cease fire, in other words, to lay

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<v Speaker 3>down arms, to stop defending itself, to let its civilians

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<v Speaker 3>get killed. The Prime Minister today also reiterated the same

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<v Speaker 3>cause to stop Israel fighting.

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<v Speaker 6>Terrorists, Billy Pennywong and signaling that people need to leave Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 6>If they're Australian citizens, they should get out. Are you

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<v Speaker 6>very fearful of a growing an all out conflict in

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<v Speaker 6>the Middle East?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, i am, and we have called for a de escalation.

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<v Speaker 7>We've called for a ceasefire, We're called for hots Us

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<v Speaker 7>to be released, and we have called along with the

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<v Speaker 7>United States, for the support for Joe Biden's peace plan.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there's no reason for conflict between Israel and Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 3>and I weren't for the radical terrorist group Hezblah, Lebanon

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<v Speaker 3>and Israel would be allies and live side by side

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<v Speaker 3>in peace. It's a point Greg Sheridan made today.

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<v Speaker 8>There is no quarrel between Lebanon and Israel. Hez Bola

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<v Speaker 8>is a fundamentalist, extremist, fanatical She'i terrorist group, prescribed under

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<v Speaker 8>Australian law as a terrorist and outlawed terrorist organization. Its

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<v Speaker 8>core ideology involves a hatred of the West, a hatred

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<v Speaker 8>of Jews, a hatred of Israel, a determination to wipe

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<v Speaker 8>Israel off the map.

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<v Speaker 3>Now a lot of Australians have family in Lebanon and

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<v Speaker 3>will be looking on in horror about what's happening in

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<v Speaker 3>their country. The Lebanese population and Christians in particular, are

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<v Speaker 3>in dismay at the war.

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela is on the brink of invoking.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no love lost between Hesbela and Lebanese Christians. The

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen year Lebanese Civil War only ended in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>The suffering still a vivid memory, and it's why there

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<v Speaker 3>was so much goodwill and empathy by Lebanese Christians for

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<v Speaker 3>the Israelis attacked by Hermas on October seventh. No one

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<v Speaker 3>in Lebanon, or Israel or Australia wants to see innocent

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<v Speaker 3>civilians caught in the crossfire, and Yetiyahoo last night spoke

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<v Speaker 3>directly to Lebanese citizens saying that Israel's war wasn't with them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Idea for Us warned you to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>Harm's work. I urge you take this warning seriously. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>let his balain danger your lives and the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>your loved ones. Don't let his Balain danger Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no question the Islamic terror groups are wreaking havoc

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<v Speaker 3>in the Middle East thanks to the funding of Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also increasing coordination between Hamas and Hesbela, all orchestrated

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<v Speaker 3>by Iran. Hamas leader Ishmael Haniya and HESBELA head Hassan

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<v Speaker 3>Nasrallah have even been pictured together.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see them on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>They're united by their hatred for the West, for Jews,

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<v Speaker 3>and their desire to destroy Israel. And in this photograph

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<v Speaker 3>you can see the Harmas and Hesbela leadership meeting and

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<v Speaker 3>there's photographs of Iran supreme leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>On the wall. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>HESBLA is one of the richest terror organizations globally. It's

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<v Speaker 3>on your budget around one billion dollars US, and Iran

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<v Speaker 3>gives the group hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 3>For nearly a year now, Israel has been urging Hesbela

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<v Speaker 3>to back down, saying it doesn't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To go to war.

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbela has chosen this path. It has chosen war. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>if the international community had put more effort into pressuring Hesbela,

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<v Speaker 3>her Mus and their supporters, if they truly squeezed a.

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<v Speaker 2>Ran, we may not be in this predicament. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The nuclear debate is ramping up in Australia. Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 3>has outlined his vision in a major speech, but all

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<v Speaker 3>the Easy is hell bent on attacking it.

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<v Speaker 9>Each nuclear plant will create hundreds or thousands of new

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<v Speaker 9>jobs too. New industries will flourish, thousands of jobs will

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<v Speaker 9>be created. It will set our country and our manufacturing

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<v Speaker 9>sectors up for generations to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we know it doesn't add up.

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<v Speaker 10>That's why, along with their anti capitalism agenda, they're saying

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<v Speaker 10>that the state should own all the nuclear power plants

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<v Speaker 10>because no one in any market based system would go

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<v Speaker 10>anywhere near it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's starting to look more and more unusual that Alban

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<v Speaker 3>Easy is so against nuclear energy being part of Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>mix when he's clearly now at odds with the international community.

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<v Speaker 3>Around thirty countries internationally are embracing nuclear already, and now

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<v Speaker 3>the world's largest banks have pledged support for nuclear The

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<v Speaker 3>Financial Times reporting today that fourteen of the world's biggest

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<v Speaker 3>banks and financial institutions are pledging to increase their support

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<v Speaker 3>for nuclear energy, a move that governments and industry hope

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<v Speaker 3>will unlock finance for a new wave of nuclear power.

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<v Speaker 3>Plants and White House officials held a meeting in New

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<v Speaker 3>York on Monday with the Bank of America, Barclays, BNP, Parabus,

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<v Speaker 3>City Dog, and Stanley and Goldman Sachs to support a

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<v Speaker 3>goal to triple the world's nuclear energy capacity by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>They say this is part of the transition to low

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<v Speaker 3>carbon energy, and in fact BNP told The Financial Times

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<v Speaker 3>there's no scenario where the world can hit carbon neutrality

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<v Speaker 3>by twenty fifty without nuclear power. Yet still alban Easy

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<v Speaker 3>thinks he knows better than the White House and the

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<v Speaker 3>major banks. He's turning the idea of nuclear energy into

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<v Speaker 3>an attack on Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 7>This is just a fantasy.

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<v Speaker 10>Instead of snow White and the Seven Dwarves, this is

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<v Speaker 10>Peter Dutton, the seven Nuclear reactors.

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<v Speaker 3>But why does Albineazy think he knows more about energy

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<v Speaker 3>security and sustainability than the world's smartest people. Once again,

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<v Speaker 3>he's clearly out of step with the international community, and

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<v Speaker 3>once again it's all because of petty politics. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>lots to come on the show tonight. Former Labor Minister

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Kelly would join me shortly. He's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>very strong also, Michael Silker coming up on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>But first let's go to my usual Tuesday panel, former

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<v Speaker 3>Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and Sky News host

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<v Speaker 3>Caleb Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, Bron, I want to start by getting your reaction

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<v Speaker 3>to this nuclear debate. That was quite a meeting, the

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<v Speaker 3>world's financial institutions all pledging to support nuclear how benys,

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<v Speaker 3>he is looking more and more out of step, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 11>What's worse than that? You were talking about the smartest

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<v Speaker 11>people in the world and al benez he certainly is

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<v Speaker 11>not one of them. He really is elbow the trot

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<v Speaker 11>and he was never expected to be a leader of anything.

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<v Speaker 11>So what we're seeing is that the speech that Dutton

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<v Speaker 11>gave today was a really very fine speech, and his

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<v Speaker 11>response to questions showed that he's on top of his brief,

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<v Speaker 11>he knows what he's about, and he outland a plan

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<v Speaker 11>that said and pointed out, among other things that were

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<v Speaker 11>the development of AI and other industries, that the demand

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<v Speaker 11>for more power, reliable power is going to increase, not decrease,

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<v Speaker 11>and that intermittent power can't do it. And so Albanese's

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<v Speaker 11>pathetic little interludes I think just show how pathetic he

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<v Speaker 11>really is. I think Peter Dutton also made the point

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<v Speaker 11>that immediately they agreed to the ORCA still and said fine,

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<v Speaker 11>we can have nuclear subs, they'd really laid to rest

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<v Speaker 11>the fear of nuclear in this country. But they're so

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<v Speaker 11>desperate to have anything to say when they lost the voice,

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<v Speaker 11>they lost their mojo, they lost their direction. They really

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<v Speaker 11>are just scrambling around, and so we really have to

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<v Speaker 11>say we're listening to the people who've got sensible plans

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<v Speaker 11>and we know it's good for the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Caleb that point that Bronman just made, that discrepancy between

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<v Speaker 3>the government's embrace of nuclear powered submarines but then it's

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<v Speaker 3>rejection of nuclear for energy more broadly, that is something

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<v Speaker 3>the coalition is now starting to seize on as part

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<v Speaker 3>of its arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that'll be convincing.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it is well. I mean the argument from

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<v Speaker 12>the government is entirely nonsensical. I mean, how can you

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<v Speaker 12>possibly say that it is safe to have submarines swimming

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<v Speaker 12>around in the ocean powered by nuclear energy, but it's

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<v Speaker 12>not safe to have nuclear energy in places in Australia

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<v Speaker 12>that are some of the most geologically stable parts of

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<v Speaker 12>the world. It is a nonsensical argument and we saw

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<v Speaker 12>that in the reaction from the government when Darton seid,

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<v Speaker 12>we'll here are the nine odd locations on which we

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<v Speaker 12>want to put nuclear reactors. I mean, we had these

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<v Speaker 12>silly memes being put forward by ministers of the government

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<v Speaker 12>for him AND's sake, saying you know, we're going to

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<v Speaker 12>have three eyed fish and your children are going to

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<v Speaker 12>have two heads and all this sort of stuff, because

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<v Speaker 12>they know they've lost the moral argument. There is broad

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<v Speaker 12>support now in Australia for nuclear energy, so they fell

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<v Speaker 12>for the three card trick and went for the old

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<v Speaker 12>stuff from the eighties, you know, Chernobyl and then later

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<v Speaker 12>of course Fukushima. Supposedly it's all going to fall apart

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<v Speaker 12>if we have nuclear energy. We know that's not going

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<v Speaker 12>to happen. And to the point you made bron went

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<v Speaker 12>about the reliance on extra power to fund things like AI.

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<v Speaker 12>You look to the US. In the last couple of days, Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 12>one of the post tech companies in the world, has

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<v Speaker 12>paid for twenty years for a nuclear reactor to be

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<v Speaker 12>recommissioned so they can have power exclusively for themselves to

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<v Speaker 12>fund AI technology. Now, if that does not tell you

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<v Speaker 12>that the biggest companies in the world are full bore

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<v Speaker 12>on nuclear but Elbow says, no, no, no, we couldn't

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<v Speaker 12>possibly have it. I mean giving it bruh.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think politically it was actually a really smart

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<v Speaker 3>move that Peter Dutton announced this policy so far out

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<v Speaker 3>from the election, because it's giving him time to convince

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<v Speaker 3>the public, it's giving everyone the time to get used

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<v Speaker 3>to it. So I think that was a smart move

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<v Speaker 3>given initially it might have seemed like a controversial policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's have a look at the RBA decision today.

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<v Speaker 3>It has yet again kept interest rates on hold at

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<v Speaker 3>four point three five percent.

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<v Speaker 2>This is now the.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventh meeting in a row. Inflation continues to simmer. However,

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<v Speaker 3>here was Governor Michelle Bullock today we might bring you

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<v Speaker 3>those comments in a moment, do you have We haven't

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<v Speaker 3>got the comments there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, inflation is still above our target and it's proving

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<v Speaker 5>to be sticky progressing, getting underlying inflation down has slowed

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<v Speaker 5>and it's likely to have remained slow in the September quarter.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not looking like we're going to see any

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<v Speaker 3>rate cuts this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Browin it might be well into next year, even might not.

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<v Speaker 3>Even be the first quarter before we see a rate cut,

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<v Speaker 3>given inflation is staying high.

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<v Speaker 11>Exactly, And this argument that because they've been reduced internationally,

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<v Speaker 11>therefore they should be reduced here. People forget to tell

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<v Speaker 11>you that the reduced interest rate in the States is

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<v Speaker 11>still higher than the cash rate he is here, and

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<v Speaker 11>higher again in the UK. So the argument that says,

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<v Speaker 11>or rather that the snake charmer, the illusionist says, the

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<v Speaker 11>independent RBA is doing all this. It's not me, it's

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<v Speaker 11>not us, and we've got to have this wake up

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<v Speaker 11>that we're both doing our job. It's this absolute attempt

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<v Speaker 11>to blame the RBA for the incompetence of the government

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<v Speaker 11>by increasing its spending, which has made the inflation rate

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<v Speaker 11>worse than it should be. So I find the whole

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<v Speaker 11>idea that both Albow and Sharma and Charmers think that

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<v Speaker 11>if they wish hard enough and they cross their fingers

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<v Speaker 11>and toes and if they're really good little people say

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<v Speaker 11>their present night, get a cuts wrote, they'll get a

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<v Speaker 11>cup the interstrate because otherwise they've got a built up

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<v Speaker 11>on the people they appointed to these positions that are

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<v Speaker 11>making decisions and they're not doing as they're told.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, well, I mean the whole political strategy from

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<v Speaker 3>the GM was he wanted a rate cut and then

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted to announce the election as.

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<v Speaker 11>I still think an early election is more likely than not.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're going to be saying that until we're like

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<v Speaker 3>it well into the seven that we know how the

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<v Speaker 3>election from let's pivot to the US. A letter by

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump's second would be assassin has been discovered now.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Ruth wrote the letter in case his assassination attempt

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<v Speaker 3>on the golf course failed, and it's an insight into

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<v Speaker 3>his thoughts, but it's provoked a lot of controversy. He wrote,

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<v Speaker 3>Dear world, this was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm so sorry I failed you. I tried my

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<v Speaker 3>best and gave it all the gumpshn I could muster.

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<v Speaker 3>It's up to you to finish the job, and I

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<v Speaker 3>will offer one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to whoever

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<v Speaker 3>can complete the job. Caleb, there's now why it spread

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<v Speaker 3>outrage that this note has been made public, because the

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<v Speaker 3>argument is that it incites, it encourages another assassination attempt.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 12>That may well be true, but it is also a

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<v Speaker 12>pretty important piece of evidence that at some point had

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<v Speaker 12>to come out in court anyway. So whether we found

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<v Speaker 12>it out now or whether we found it out later,

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<v Speaker 12>it was probably going to be it at some point.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it goes to exactly how divided America is

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<v Speaker 12>at the moment and the real threat that still exists

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<v Speaker 12>on the head of Donald Trump. Republican Rep. Matt Gates

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<v Speaker 12>revealed the other day that he has spoken to people,

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<v Speaker 12>or at least one person in Homeland Security and they

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<v Speaker 12>have the understanding that there are at least five groups currently,

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<v Speaker 12>including three that are led by foreign nations, that have

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<v Speaker 12>a bounty on Donald Trump's head. They want Donald Trump dead. Now,

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<v Speaker 12>whether or not this letter was released, those groups are

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<v Speaker 12>still out there. There is still danger to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 12>Someone I'm convinced between now and November is going to

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<v Speaker 12>try to get him again. The real question is why

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<v Speaker 12>he has not been given extra protection, and I suspect

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<v Speaker 12>it's because there are certain people who don't want him

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<v Speaker 12>to have extra protection because they'd rather him dead than

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<v Speaker 12>elected in November.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's still I think all those points you made,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, are excellent, Caleb, but I think he

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<v Speaker 3>still does have less protection.

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<v Speaker 2>Does and he then the current president?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, the evidence shows the threats on his life

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<v Speaker 3>are greater.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like it's more than likely there'll be another

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<v Speaker 3>attempt on his life.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, the worrying thing is who is it that's stopping

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<v Speaker 11>the protection from being given? And it plases the vice president,

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<v Speaker 11>I think in a very invidious position. If I were her,

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<v Speaker 11>I would be demanding he'd be given top protection. You

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<v Speaker 11>are to it looks like she doesn't care, and I

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<v Speaker 11>think more should be made of that point. But in

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<v Speaker 11>that letter, I agree with you. I think that letter

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<v Speaker 11>was going to come out, and it needed to come

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<v Speaker 11>out because they've got to keep that bloken jail, not

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<v Speaker 11>let him out on bail. That's the most important thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't possibly do well.

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<v Speaker 11>It's being argued that he states, and it's being argued

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<v Speaker 11>that he's not a risk of the society, and he

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<v Speaker 11>said Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 12>But it proves the point that some were trying to

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<v Speaker 12>make in the leftist media in the US last week

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<v Speaker 12>that this was a potential assassination, that there was no

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<v Speaker 12>potential about it. We now know exactly what he wanted

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<v Speaker 12>to do. We cannot get around that. That letter proves.

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<v Speaker 11>What about that incredible woman who saw it there would

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<v Speaker 11>be assassin? Thought he looked creepy, looked wrong, and she

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<v Speaker 11>followed him and took photographs of the number plate and

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<v Speaker 11>so on. She's a heroine.

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<v Speaker 2>We should hear more about her exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But again it goes to your point, why weren't there

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<v Speaker 3>security protracting the location more thoroughly.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did it have to come down to civilians.

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<v Speaker 11>INDI that's exactly the point. And I think more of

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<v Speaker 11>this should be cheated home to Kamela because she is

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<v Speaker 11>in the position to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And even we know even before either of the assassination attempts,

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<v Speaker 3>there were those in the Congress who were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>remove his se career protection entire It's complete outrage. No

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<v Speaker 3>matter what you think of any politician, we're in a

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<v Speaker 3>democracy and both need to make it to the election.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of elections, news poll shows that the Queensland Premier,

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Miles is facing a landslide defeat against the Liberal

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<v Speaker 3>National Party in next month's election. The opposition is ten

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<v Speaker 3>points clear of Labor, so this is clearly paving the

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<v Speaker 3>way for David Chris A Foley to lead an L

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<v Speaker 3>ANDP majority government. Caleb, he claims he's got an underdog status,

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<v Speaker 3>but look this defeat for Labor, it's been a long

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<v Speaker 3>time coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, you know you'd have to think that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 12>have underdog status. But also you don't want to fall

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<v Speaker 12>into the trap of looking to cocky or confidence sure

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<v Speaker 12>exactly going into an election like this, because you never

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<v Speaker 12>know things can change. And this is the difficulty, right

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<v Speaker 12>because if you go out there and say, well, it's

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<v Speaker 12>a lay down mazare, the voters will actually turn against

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<v Speaker 12>you because they will get the impression that you don't

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<v Speaker 12>really care because you've taken advantage of us. You think

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<v Speaker 12>we're going to hand your government anyway. So he has

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<v Speaker 12>to say that they have underdog status and if by

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<v Speaker 12>the numbers. You look at how long Labor has spent

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<v Speaker 12>in power in Queensland compared to the LNP, particularly given

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<v Speaker 12>the fact that the last LNP government in the Queensland

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<v Speaker 12>in Queensland Sorry, only lasted one term. Then he actually

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<v Speaker 12>does have the right to claim that they have underdog status.

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<v Speaker 12>It's just that this version of the government under Mars

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<v Speaker 12>has done so badly that he's coughed it up. Something

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<v Speaker 12>tells me that if an a stage of Palichet were

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<v Speaker 12>still the leader, they would fare better than they would

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<v Speaker 12>under right now.

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<v Speaker 6>They might rue the day that they got rid.

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<v Speaker 11>Of from giggling pretenders out there, indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the.

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<v Speaker 11>Real thing is there's still a lot of seats they

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<v Speaker 11>have to win, Yes, and he's entitled to say that's

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<v Speaker 11>underdog step and when you've got that.

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<v Speaker 3>Many, so any leader would love those polls.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, but kind of makes a very valid point. If

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<v Speaker 11>you get over confident, you could end up like mister Shorten.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, there you go, bromin Bishop and Calebon. Great

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<v Speaker 3>to see both in Caleb, of course, we'll see you

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<v Speaker 3>back here at ten o'clock tonight. Now returning to today's

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<v Speaker 3>top story, where Australians in Lebanon are tonight being told

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<v Speaker 3>to leave immediately as fighting between Israel and Hesbela escalates.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel is targeting Hesbela's weapons which have been hidden in

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<v Speaker 3>Lebanese homes, and overnight almost five.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred people were killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal Shadow Minister for Housing and anddis Michael Souoka joins

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<v Speaker 3>me now from Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, thank you very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I've asked you on tonight because you personally have

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<v Speaker 3>Lebanese heritage, have family right now in Lebanon in the north.

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<v Speaker 3>So can you share with us how you're feeling about

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that really Israel is on the brink of war.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's obviously heartbreaking for the Lebanese people, and Lebanon

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<v Speaker 13>has suffered more than its share of these sorts of

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<v Speaker 13>problems for forty years now, and it's heartbreaking to see

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<v Speaker 13>what's happening because we have a terrorist organization in Hezbala

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<v Speaker 13>who is almost a state within a state, who is

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<v Speaker 13>not operating in the best interests of Lebanon. They are

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<v Speaker 13>they're doing the bidding of the Mullas in Tehran. They

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<v Speaker 13>are a proxy entity of Iran who have been bombarding

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<v Speaker 13>Israel and attacking Israel, and now Israel's hit back, and

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<v Speaker 13>sadly it's the innocent Lebanese people who suffer because of

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<v Speaker 13>the actions of HESB. And you refer to some of

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<v Speaker 13>the homes that had had munitions placed within them, I'm

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<v Speaker 13>reliably informed that there were some of those owners of

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<v Speaker 13>those homes who had absolutely no idea that that was happening.

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<v Speaker 13>So could you imagine how disgraceful that is to place

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<v Speaker 13>innocent people in harm's way like that. But sadly that's

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<v Speaker 13>what Hezbala has done. For your viewers who don't follow

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<v Speaker 13>Middle East, and let alone Lebanese politics particularly closely, Hezbaala

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<v Speaker 13>is as I said, a government within a government almost

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<v Speaker 13>they operate almost independently of the external government or the

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<v Speaker 13>Lebanese army, and are fully funded by Iran, take their

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<v Speaker 13>orders from Iran, and are not there doing anything, not

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<v Speaker 13>fighting for Lebanese interests, not fighting for the interests of

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 13>any Palestinians either. They are there fighting for the interests

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<v Speaker 13>of Iran, and now sadly, innocent Lebanese people are paying

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<v Speaker 13>the price.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and an outcome that nobody has wanted. A lot

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 3>of the media reports today painted the picture of Israel

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<v Speaker 3>being at war with Lebanon. But you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>that simple. Lebanese citizens, in particular Christians, hate the way

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbela is bringing war to the country and there has

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<v Speaker 3>been a long history of conflict. I mentioned earlier in

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<v Speaker 3>the show, the civil war that went for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>So Michael, can you tell us a bit about that,

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<v Speaker 3>about how Lebanese Christians, you know, have this long animosity

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<v Speaker 3>towards Hesbela.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, Hesbella is almost they run a shadow government in

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<v Speaker 13>a sense. They have caused gridlock in the Lebanese parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>They have not allowed for.

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<v Speaker 13>The succession of a new president, the president who under

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<v Speaker 13>the constitution and by convention is a Maronite Catholic. They

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<v Speaker 13>have in a sense cause gridlock in the parliament, and

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<v Speaker 13>gridlock works for them in the sense that if the

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 13>democratic institutions of Lebanon are not working, that their power

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<v Speaker 13>is greater. And Lebanon's obviously suffered a significant economic crisis,

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<v Speaker 13>but the rivers of gold from Tehran continue to fund Hezbalah, who,

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<v Speaker 13>as I said, have been making incursions and bombing into Israel.

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<v Speaker 13>And so it's not a war between Israel and Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 13>It's Israel seeking to wipe out a terrorist organization on

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<v Speaker 13>their border. And the truth is it's not just Lebanese Christians,

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<v Speaker 13>it's also Sunnis and some sites who who put their

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<v Speaker 13>country first, who are Lebanese first, and anybody who puts

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<v Speaker 13>Lebanon first and the integrity of its borders and its

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<v Speaker 13>institutions and its democracy, they tend to be vehemently opposed

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<v Speaker 13>to Hesbalah, who, as I said, are a shadow government

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<v Speaker 13>who run their own shadow army essentially, and as we're

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<v Speaker 13>seeing now, don't care about the interests of Lebanon. They

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 13>care about the interests of Iran, and they take orders

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 13>from Iran, and Iran has told them to bomb Israel.

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<v Speaker 13>And now Israel is understandably hitting back because you can't

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<v Speaker 13>have a terrorist organization sending in volleys of bombs on

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<v Speaker 13>a daily basis without it being answered in some way.

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<v Speaker 3>No, of course, I'm going to speak with the former

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<v Speaker 3>Labor Minister Mike Kelly in a moment about what the

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<v Speaker 3>international community could have done to bring more pressure on

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<v Speaker 3>Hasbala instead of criticizing Israel all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But Michael, you are the shadow.

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<v Speaker 3>Minister for Housing, so I do want to ask you

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<v Speaker 3>about this critical issue. We're seeing the Albanezi government blaming

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<v Speaker 3>the Coalition and the Greens for the housing crisis, accusing

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 3>you of blocking legislation. What is your main objection to

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<v Speaker 3>the laws that Labour's been putting forward.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, what Labour's announced here, which they announced before the

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<v Speaker 13>election and took them over two years to introduce into

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<v Speaker 13>the parliament, so it can't be that urgent if it

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<v Speaker 13>took them two years to do so. Is a minuscule scheme.

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<v Speaker 13>It's a shared equity scheme. There's a couple of reasons

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<v Speaker 13>why we don't support it. It's five and a half

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<v Speaker 13>billion dollars of taxpayers money for a scheme that has

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<v Speaker 13>already existed in most of our states or territories. Basically,

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<v Speaker 13>shared equity is when you co own the home with

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<v Speaker 13>the government. In a sense you have Anthony Albanezi at

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<v Speaker 13>the kitchen table. These schemes have not been a success

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<v Speaker 13>in New South Wales, for example, under their scheme when

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<v Speaker 13>this was first introduced, more than ninety percent of the

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<v Speaker 13>places in the New South Wales scheme was still available.

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<v Speaker 13>So what the Albanzi government has done here is they've

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<v Speaker 13>tried to create a bill that makes it look like

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<v Speaker 13>they're trying to do something when they're really not trying

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<v Speaker 13>to do anything, because shared equity schemes have already been

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<v Speaker 13>rejected by Austrains and the last thing we need is

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<v Speaker 13>for them to be spending another five and a half

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 13>billion dollars on a miniskilled, tiny scheme that would hardly

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<v Speaker 13>impact anybody that's quite frankly been rejected by Australians anyway.

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<v Speaker 13>The truth is under this government, we have fewer homes

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<v Speaker 13>being built, fewer homes being approved, We've got record levels

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<v Speaker 13>of migration which are pushing up rents. This is Labour's

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 13>housing crisis. And the sad news for your viewers is

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<v Speaker 13>that Labour's housing crisis is just getting worse. It's not

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<v Speaker 13>getting better, because they're still bringing in more than five

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 13>hundred thousand migrants up in the last twelve months, when

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<v Speaker 13>we're building fewer homes than we're being built when I

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<v Speaker 13>was the Housing Minister in the former coalition government and

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 13>when we had record levels of first home buyers. So

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<v Speaker 13>everything's got worse on Anthony Albaneze's watch, and there's no

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<v Speaker 13>answers and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks like the migration figures aren't going to come down

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<v Speaker 3>as the government said they would as well. Michael Siker

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<v Speaker 3>really appreciate your time tonight and I hope you're family

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<v Speaker 3>stay safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Now still to come.

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly joins Me Live to talk

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 3>about why he thinks Penny Wong and the government of

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 3>failing on the Middle East and the plan to offer

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>cashbacks for workers who return to the office. Stay tuned,

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot more coming up. Welcome back. Over the

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<v Speaker 3>past year, we've seen thousands of unprovoked terror attacks against Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>yet there's been pressure from Western leaders towards Israel for

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<v Speaker 3>daring to fight back and keep its citizens safe instead

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.959
<v Speaker 3>of coming down hard on Hamas, Hesbela and Iran. The

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 3>international community keeps criticizing Israel. Amnesty International and the United

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Nations aren't jumping up and down about the clear cut

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 3>war crimes of Hamas and Hesbela like the slaughter of

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<v Speaker 3>babies in cots, but they're issuing press releases accusing Israel

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<v Speaker 3>of war crimes by daring to kill terrorists targeted attacks.

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<v Speaker 3>Former Labor Minister Mike Kelly has written an article where

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<v Speaker 3>he says that Israel has been acting in self defense

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<v Speaker 3>in this conflict with Hesbela restraining its response to defeating

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 3>the actual rocket, drone and ballistic missile launchers, and he adds,

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 3>and this is such a great line, he says, instead

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<v Speaker 3>of trying to wage law fair against Israel, the international

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 3>community should focus on getting Hesbela and Iran to end

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 3>their warmongering and comply with Resolution seventeen oh one. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pleased to say I've got the former Labor minister

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<v Speaker 3>with me now. Mike, thank you very much for your

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<v Speaker 3>time on the program. Once again, Can we start with

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<v Speaker 3>why the international community is, as you put it, trying

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<v Speaker 3>to wage law fair against Israel rather than putting pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on the terror groups and the parties that fund them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>Unfortunately this is working on a couple of levels. S.

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<v Speaker 14>You have that malign rectangle of autocracies Russia, China, Iran

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<v Speaker 14>and North Korea who all have the self interest of

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<v Speaker 14>mounting a concerted information warfare campaign that serves their interests

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<v Speaker 14>in discrediting the West and also uplifting their interests in

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 14>the region and elsewhere. At the same time, of course,

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 14>they're not doing any services to the populations of that region.

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<v Speaker 14>And I really hope for the best for Michael Sukhar's family,

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<v Speaker 14>and it's a terrible tragedy for the region to see

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 14>what Iran is doing in particular, and they are mounting

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<v Speaker 14>effectively an imperialist, warmongering endeavor that's been in place now

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<v Speaker 14>for a good few decades, but in particular this network

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<v Speaker 14>that they've surrounded Israel with of the Hesbalah hamas Uti

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 14>proxies and effectively turned Lebanon and Syria into almost provinces

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 14>of Iran and Iraq's on the way to becoming a protectorate.

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<v Speaker 14>So all of those venues have been the source of

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<v Speaker 14>multiple missile attacks against Israel. And we have to remember,

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<v Speaker 14>of course, that began the day after October seventh, and

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<v Speaker 14>the heinous assault by Hamas before Israel had even engaged

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 14>in any countermeasures. And so this was the coordinated effort

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 14>and it wasn't part of any attempts to defend themselves.

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 14>It was a war of aggression against Israel that the

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<v Speaker 14>international community has failed to focus on and address.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The international community, or more specifically the United Nations Security

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.439
<v Speaker 3>Council and Resolution seventeen oh one. Look, it did come

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<v Speaker 3>up with a plan after the two thousand and six

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Lebanon war, and this involved having that blue line the

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 3>Latany River. Hasbela would not go south of that, and

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 3>you know it required as well disarmament of Hasbela.

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<v Speaker 2>This hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead, Hesbla has only plitarized in the south and it's

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<v Speaker 3>now and for the past year it's been using it

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<v Speaker 3>as a base to attack Israel. Can you talk us

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<v Speaker 3>through why Israel does actually have a duty and obligation

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<v Speaker 3>and a right under the UN Charter to defend its citizens.

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<v Speaker 14>Absolutely, So it's very clear. The UN Charter spells out

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<v Speaker 14>in Article fifty one that every member state has the

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.800
<v Speaker 14>right to defend itself against an attack. So an attack

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 14>against whatever source, it doesn't have to be another member state,

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 14>it can be these non state actors. So it's exercising

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 14>its right of self defense in defending itself Israel's actions

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 14>against Hezballah very clearly. But also it's a failure of

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 14>the international system that compounds the problem in that in

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 14>two thousand and six, when Israel was responding to the

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 14>cross border attacks from Hesbala then and a war ensued,

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 14>agreed to withdraw its troops from southern Lebanon in exchange

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<v Speaker 14>for eventeen zero one in that resolution spelling out that yes,

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<v Speaker 14>HEZBLA had to withdraw and there would be beefing up

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<v Speaker 14>of UNIFIL two to the tune of eleven five hundred

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 14>peacekeepers and troops in that organization, and there was instead

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<v Speaker 14>of the demilitarization of the south of the border area

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<v Speaker 14>south of Latani sorry and the demilitarization of Hezbola, it

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<v Speaker 14>was in a massive escalation of their capability. So they've

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<v Speaker 14>gone to one hundred and fifty to two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 14>rockets and missiles in their arsenal. They have developed an

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<v Speaker 14>incredibly sophisticated and enormous underground infrastructure in Southernly but on

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 14>that dwarfs the Hamas endeavors in Gaza tunnels that can

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 14>take rocket launches for these fat one to ten missiles.

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 14>They can travel along those tunnels and exit through designated

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<v Speaker 14>points where they launched their missiles and scoot back into

0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 14>the tunnels. Vast caverns that were helped in the construction

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 14>by North Korea who provided all their tunneling technology to

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<v Speaker 14>hes BLAR, and then HESBLA were able to set up

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<v Speaker 14>so called civil construction company fronts to finish that job

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 14>off companies like appropriately G Hard Construction and a Musta

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.879
<v Speaker 14>for Construction, who sometimes engages, of course with the UN

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 14>Development Program. But this is a massive capability right under

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<v Speaker 14>the nose of these UN peacekeepers, And I asked where

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<v Speaker 14>was their reports and amplification of alarms and information about this?

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<v Speaker 14>Where was the UN? Where was the UN Secretary General

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 14>for the last eighteen years in failing to orchestrate the

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 14>international effort to force the compliance of Hesbla and Lebanon,

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 14>because the Lebanese Army was also meant to then fill

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 14>that void in southern Lebanon and finally give them the

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<v Speaker 14>jurisdiction as a sovereign nation that they ought to have.

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<v Speaker 14>So where was the UN and all that? Where was

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<v Speaker 14>the international community in applying pressure on Iran and it's

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<v Speaker 14>proxies to deliver that outcome to prevent the very situation

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.760
<v Speaker 14>that we see now, And where are their voices now

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<v Speaker 14>putting pressure on Iran and Hezbala to diffuse this situation

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<v Speaker 14>and in the suffering of the Lebanese.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Kelly, you speak, you make so much sense. You

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 3>are such a rational voice desperately missing from the current

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Albanesi government. I mean you must look on at your

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 3>old party, at your old team in Dismay.

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<v Speaker 14>I just look on it, the whole scene at the

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 14>moment where you know, we're not seeing rational debate, We're

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 14>not seeing debate that reflects the actual provisions of the

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 14>laws of armed conflict and international law. And failure encouraged

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<v Speaker 14>to stand up to the propaganda and the voices of activism.

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<v Speaker 14>That's not peacekeep peace activism, it's warmongering. These people don't

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 14>want a ceasefire. They want the elimination of the state

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<v Speaker 14>of Israel and the war escalated, and the elimination of

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 14>the ten million people living there. But on that point,

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<v Speaker 14>the genocidal agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>But on that point, you know, the Foreign Minister and

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister, they keep saying there needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>an immediate cease fire. But at the same time they

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 3>say her mask can't have a future role in the

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 3>governing of Gaza. So how do they think her mass

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be removed if Israel doesn't, through armed

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 3>conflict remove her maas.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, don't you think there's this well, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about that?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I guess the phrase cognitive dissonance comes into mind. There. Effectively,

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 14>we know that for the last seventeen years her mass

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 14>has repressed its own people, has waged constant war against Israel,

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<v Speaker 14>and Israel has been so restrained in the face of that,

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<v Speaker 14>far beyond what any other country in the world would

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 14>have been with the capability to respond that they have.

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<v Speaker 14>And so where was the pressure on Hamas to stand down?

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<v Speaker 14>It's relentless wars of firing minute rockets which are a

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<v Speaker 14>walk rome and then conducting the most savage and hinous

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 14>assault we have seen on their populations. So you know, frankly,

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 14>the international community needs to get attack together if it

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.760
<v Speaker 14>wants long term peace for the region, apply the pressure

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 14>where it needs to be. But just behaving as if

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 14>Israel's the only party in this conflict which has agency,

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 14>which just simply isn't true.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, look, you are desperately missing from the Albanezy government.

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<v Speaker 3>So many sane voices like yours, like Kimberly Kitchen, like

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 3>Michael Danby.

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<v Speaker 2>Are no longer in the government and then need it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for your time, really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now after the break, the plan to offer cash backs

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 3>to workers to get them back into the office, plus

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<v Speaker 3>a look ahead at tomorrow's inflation data. Kelly Sloan and

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Cator would join me after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's get straight into it now with tonight's panel

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<v Speaker 3>senior fellow at the Menzies Recent Search Santa Nick Cata

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<v Speaker 3>and New South Wales Shadow Health Minister Kelly Sloane. Welcome

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<v Speaker 3>to you both. Now the work from home debate is

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<v Speaker 3>back in the spotlight. There's a new plan from the

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal team head of Melbourne's council elections, and the Liberal

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<v Speaker 3>campaign is pledging to offer a five percent cash back

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<v Speaker 3>on council rates for businesses whose workers are in the

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<v Speaker 3>office five days a week. Kelly, I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>so interesting because the Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen came out

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<v Speaker 3>and ridiculed the New Southwest Premier Chris Means for asking

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<v Speaker 3>people to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get back into the office.

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<v Speaker 3>But clearly it's an issue when councils are looking at

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<v Speaker 3>schemes like this, Well.

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<v Speaker 15>It is because they're looking at their economies in the

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<v Speaker 15>city and our cities have become desolate. Business is it

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<v Speaker 15>needs a big boost and I think that means back

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<v Speaker 15>to work for a lot of people. I know that

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<v Speaker 15>our business chambers are calling for more people to get

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<v Speaker 15>back in the city. When our state government in New

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<v Speaker 15>South Wales announced back to work orders a month ago,

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<v Speaker 15>there was initial pushback.

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<v Speaker 2>People were rightly.

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<v Speaker 15>Concerned, and especially I think those that have got used

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<v Speaker 15>to the flexibility parents who had childcare in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Were a bit alarmed.

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<v Speaker 15>But they will come back and it's important that we

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<v Speaker 15>get the city thriving again, back to pre COVID levels.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ni Kita, what do you think about this idea?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, clearly the liberal team in Melbourne think it

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<v Speaker 3>would be worth the discount financially or in an economic

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<v Speaker 3>sense for Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>I understand the sentiment Shari, and Melbourne has suffered from

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<v Speaker 16>particularly badly. The Melbourne CBD, particularly on a Monday and Friday,

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<v Speaker 16>is virtually empty. But look, I just think we've got

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<v Speaker 16>to stop spending money on these kind of things. We

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<v Speaker 16>wasted billions and billions of dollars on these extensive lockdowns

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<v Speaker 16>which were not necessary. A country like Sweden spent a

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<v Speaker 16>faction of what we spent and came out with better

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<v Speaker 16>results when it came to COVID deaths infections. It was

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<v Speaker 16>a total waste of money. And please, we just stop

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<v Speaker 16>spending any more money fixing up this fuss and this mess.

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<v Speaker 16>And I think it's up to businesses. Businesses should demand

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<v Speaker 16>that their workers come back because they're going to work

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<v Speaker 16>much more efficiently in the office. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 16>it's a job for councils to bry workers back to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite frankly, although there is a bit of a split

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<v Speaker 3>in the approach from businesses, and you know, some think

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<v Speaker 3>to attract the best staff they need to have flexible

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<v Speaker 3>working arrangements. We're seeing that this play out in the

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<v Speaker 3>tech center, in the tech sector in particular. Now in

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales there is a nurse's strike at the

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<v Speaker 3>moment and hospitals across the state are hanging on by

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<v Speaker 3>a thread. Thousands of nurses walked off the job for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours today. Sydney streets had nurses protesting for

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<v Speaker 3>a fifteen percent wage rise.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's Kelly, It's meant that nearly five hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Elective surgeries were counceled the closure of eighty one beds.

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<v Speaker 3>This puts a lot of pressure on the health system

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<v Speaker 3>and people who are sick already. The health system is stretched.

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<v Speaker 3>What does the government need to do here?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, it is industrial chaos, another chapter in the industrial

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<v Speaker 15>chaos that we're seeing in New South Wales. We've seen

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<v Speaker 15>today the biggest rally by nurses since the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 15>nine thousand of them taking off, and you're quite right,

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<v Speaker 15>it is putting our system under immense pressure, a system

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<v Speaker 15>that has had back to back budget cuts by labor

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<v Speaker 15>to health. It has record attendances to emergency departments.

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<v Speaker 2>Our nurses are under immense.

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<v Speaker 15>Pressure and that've been sold false hope by Labor. During

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<v Speaker 15>the election campaign, Chris Mins was out in front of

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<v Speaker 15>their hospitals, the nurses hospitals, talking up the dramas in

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<v Speaker 15>the hospital, saying things needed to change. And when he's

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<v Speaker 15>been absent from the bargaining table, they haven't had any

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<v Speaker 15>advancements and today they've been rightly frustrated. I walked amongst

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<v Speaker 15>some of the nurses today. They feel incredibly disappointed Labor.

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<v Speaker 2>Josey Bailey.

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<v Speaker 15>I just went into the rally, I walked out the

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<v Speaker 15>front of We could hear it in the chamber in Parliament.

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<v Speaker 15>It was that loud and so I walked out. I

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<v Speaker 15>walked amongst them, and you know, the workers in New

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<v Speaker 15>South Wales feel let down by their natural friends, which

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<v Speaker 15>is labor, labor who we are now seeing, you know,

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<v Speaker 15>industrial election, from the rail workers, from the transport workers,

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<v Speaker 15>from the nurses, from the paramedics, from the CFMU, from

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<v Speaker 15>the Electrical Trades Union, which is closing down building sites

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<v Speaker 15>right across our city. This is labour's mess. They need

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<v Speaker 15>to fix it. They need to get to the table.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Nick, I actually want to ask you about

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear energy. We saw Peter Dutton tell the Telegraph that

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<v Speaker 3>if Bob Hawk was still alive, he would be supporting

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear energy as part of Australia's mix. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're starting to see this objection from Albow look quite

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<v Speaker 3>illogical when the international community is coming to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Bob.

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<v Speaker 16>Hawk would have backed this because he was a nation builder,

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<v Speaker 16>unlike Albanizi, who's just about building his own stocks. And

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<v Speaker 16>I think people like John Bradfield, you know, the guy

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<v Speaker 16>who was responsible really for ensuring that the Harbor Bridge

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<v Speaker 16>got built against a lot of objections at the time

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<v Speaker 16>from people who said it's not needed, it's too expensive. Nobody,

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<v Speaker 16>you know, ninety three years on would doubt that that

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<v Speaker 16>was a very good investment. And John Monash, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>people like that great commanders and a great engineer. Incidentally,

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<v Speaker 16>this is a nation building exercise. If we build it,

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<v Speaker 16>If we started planning for a nuclear power station right now,

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<v Speaker 16>that nuclear power station would still be running when my

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<v Speaker 16>granddaughter's great grandchildren were born, in fact, when her great

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.239
<v Speaker 16>great gan children were born or yours. This is not

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<v Speaker 16>about the next fifteen years. This is about the next

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<v Speaker 16>ninety or one hundred years. And if we were serious

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<v Speaker 16>about building a nation and building a future for generations,

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<v Speaker 16>that's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, too often show thinking with governments.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Nick Cata, Kelly Sloane, thank you both very

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<v Speaker 3>much for your time. Now, after the break, we'll look

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<v Speaker 3>ahead to tomorrow's inflation data.

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Reddin will join me next.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's bring in Sky News political reporter Cam Reddin

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<v Speaker 3>in Cambra.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, great to see you. Cam.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at the RBA today left rates on hold. Is

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<v Speaker 3>hope beginning to fade that there'll be a rate cut

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<v Speaker 3>even in the first quarter of next year?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Courny.

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<v Speaker 17>Michelle Bull at the Governor's Show, she's saying pretty much

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<v Speaker 17>forget about this year.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back and have a look in the new year.

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<v Speaker 17>And remember too, because of this new model of the

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<v Speaker 17>Reserve Bank, they have fewer opportunities to move rates. And

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<v Speaker 17>there was some thinking at the time when they cut

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<v Speaker 17>the number of meetings from eleven down to eight that

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<v Speaker 17>that might be an encouragement for the Reserve Bank if

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<v Speaker 17>they were going to move at all, to bring any movements,

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<v Speaker 17>whether that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be up all down Ford.

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<v Speaker 17>So they've got more time to think, more time between meetings,

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<v Speaker 17>meaning that if they were going to move, they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Move earlier rather than later.

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<v Speaker 17>But that hasn't really borne itself out, at least not

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<v Speaker 17>yet in Michelle Bulook's time as the governor. But she's

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<v Speaker 17>waiting to see some kind of inflation number that shows

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<v Speaker 17>it's consistently back in the band. We don't have that yet,

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<v Speaker 17>so as a result, it's pretty bad years for mortgage holders.

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<v Speaker 17>You might wait what for maybe five months or more

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<v Speaker 17>until that cut finally arrives.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and speaking of inflation, obviously a big day tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>for the government. Are the monthly data on CPI out?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you expecting?

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, it's at three and a half at the moment.

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<v Speaker 17>Remember this is the monthly figure, not the big quarterly one,

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<v Speaker 17>so it's a bit more volatile. But the expectation is

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<v Speaker 17>it's actually going to look quite good. It could even

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<v Speaker 17>have a two in front of it, which means it

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<v Speaker 17>would at least temporarily be back in the target band

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<v Speaker 17>that the Reserve Bank wants it in. But why it

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<v Speaker 17>would be there, Shari is really important. Because petrol prices

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<v Speaker 17>have come off a bit, that's good news, But the

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<v Speaker 17>other main factor for that would be the government, both

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<v Speaker 17>at the federal level and state levels, pumping in a

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<v Speaker 17>lot of money towards energy bill rebates, which is a

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<v Speaker 17>bit like putting your hand on a mattress. It pushes

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 17>the price down temper rarely, but it's a little bit artificial.

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<v Speaker 17>Once you take that help away, that's when it can

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<v Speaker 17>spring back up. If the underlying trend of higher prices

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<v Speaker 17>hasn't been fixed, So it could be a much better

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<v Speaker 17>number tomorrow than it has been. But Michelle Bullock even

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<v Speaker 17>said today, don't get your hopes up that we're going

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<v Speaker 17>to see that everything's great, we're going to cut rates.

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<v Speaker 17>She wants to see the big dump of data at

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<v Speaker 17>the end of October. That's what will really guide the

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<v Speaker 17>Reserve banks thinking when it comes to its next move.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, still, if inflation is back in the target range tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>No doubt that'll be something we'll see the government celebrating.

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<v Speaker 3>Just thirty seconds, I want to get your take on

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<v Speaker 3>news poll this week and what the figures show about

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<v Speaker 3>whether voters are starting to blame the PM for the

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living crisis.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, they're certainly not giving him any credit for trying

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<v Speaker 17>to fix it.

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<v Speaker 11>Schari.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 17>You've seen the government give people income tax cuts, they're

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<v Speaker 17>paying for their energy bills and the vote keeps on

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<v Speaker 17>going down. And we saw the government try all week

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<v Speaker 17>last week to try and get its housing bill through,

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<v Speaker 17>blaming the Greens, blaming the Coalition, saying they're trying and

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 17>they're stopping us. The vote still continues to drop. That

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<v Speaker 17>is ringing the alarm bells. They need to turn something around.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, cam Raidon, thank you so much for joining us

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<v Speaker 3>from Canberra. And that's it from me. See you tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's Poul Murray