1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, January twenty three. Pennywong met with her US counterpart, 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: the newly installed Secretary of State Marco Rubio, on Tuesday. 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: Obviously, it's been a great day. It's been a day 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: of productive meetings, a fantastic opportunity for Australia's Foreign Minister 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: to be here on the first full day of the 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: Trump administration. And you know, we begin the work we 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: will do together to deliver for the Australian people and 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: for the American people alike. 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: It follows the Foreign Minister's attendance at the inauguration of 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. You can read all the latest developments 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: from the new Trump administration right now at the Australian 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: dot com dot au. The boss of the Australian Federal 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Police says foreign actors could be paying local criminals to 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: perpetrate anti Semitic attacks, but inquiries by The Australian show 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: the cops could be barking up the wrong tree. That's 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: today's episode Late Night in Newtown. The streets of the 18 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: bustling inner city suburb are in characteristically quiet as two 19 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: men in hoods move towards a synagogue on Georgina Street. 20 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: On a brick fence surrounding the darkened place of worship, 21 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: they draw a Nazi symbol with thick black spray paint, 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: then another and another. What follows is a clear fluid 23 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: slopped onto the synagogue's gleaming white walls. The men's attempts 24 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: to ignite the building ultimately fail, but the hateful vandalism remains. 25 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, there were consequences. The man has been charged 26 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: after an alleged attempt to set a synagogue on fire 27 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: in Newtown earlier last month. 28 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: A second man is still yet to. 29 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: Be arrested, but we expect to make an arrest shortly 30 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: and he will also be before the court. 31 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: Adam Ule appeared in court where he was charged with 32 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: multiple offenses, including destroying property using fire and stolen goods. 33 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: He's the ninth person to be charged by a dedicated 34 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: strike force as antisemitic attacks ratchet up across Australia's major cities, 35 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: and police say the perpetrators may be motivated and funded 36 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: by foreign actors. 37 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: We believe criminals for hire maybe behind some incidents, so 38 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: part of our inquiries include who is paying those criminals, 39 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: where those people are, whether they are in Australia or offshore, 40 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: and what their motivation is. 41 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: On Monday, Australian Federal Police Commissioner Rhees Kershaw said the 42 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: local criminals who launched anti Semitic attacks could be on 43 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: the payrolls of people far from our shores. 44 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: It is important we share this information with the public 45 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: so they understand how seriously the AFP is taking this 46 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: investigation and to explain why there will be lengthy investigations. 47 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: The AFP boss briefed a National Cabinet meeting convened by 48 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Alberanizi on Tuesday. 49 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 4: Well, the substance of a statement that mister Kershaw put 50 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: out yesterday was that anti Semitism is on the rise. 51 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: Greg Brown is the Australian's Canberra Bureau chief. 52 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: And he said it was something authorities were taking very 53 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 4: seriously and there one hundred and sixty six cases have 54 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: been referred to them. They're fifteen serious investigations. The one 55 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: thing the AFP are dealing with at the moment is 56 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: that it's difficult to get to the bottom of who 57 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: might be commissioning a particular crime because they're all using 58 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: highly sophisticated networks, encryptive devices, things that can make it 59 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 4: very difficult to ascertain the identity of someone within this 60 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: as obviously concerned that people have been radicalized, including young people, 61 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: through online content, but he did raise this idea that 62 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: they were looking into. Was what he said, whether overseas 63 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: actors or individuals have paid local criminals in Australia to 64 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: carry out some of these crimes in our suburbs. He 65 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 4: left it open about whether it could be a criminal 66 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 4: from overseas, could have been a state actor like someone 67 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 4: who had connections to the Iran government fruit Apple, could 68 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 4: it be someone with connections to Hesbalah or Hamasi left 69 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 4: this completely open and this obviously led to a political firestorm, 70 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: with the Coalition demanding more answers. 71 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 5: Well, it's a gravely serious claim for the Australian Federal 72 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 5: Police to make and I think this is Ralian people 73 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 5: are entitled to more information from the Prime Minister today 74 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: about what he knows about this when he was briefed 75 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 5: about it, and what action the government is taking about us. 76 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi, under pressure to defend the government 77 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: from accusations it's been slow to act on Australia's growing 78 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: anti Semitism problem, said Kershaw's comments were made in hopes 79 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: of increasing transparency around the AFP's investigation. The thing is 80 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: it could all be for nought. 81 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: There's actually no intelligence to suggest that any of these 82 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: attacks had been funded by overseas criminals. 83 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 6: None. 84 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: There is a suggestion that people have been paid, but 85 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: the more likely outcome, according to intelligence officials, is that 86 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: this has actually been funded by local criminal gangs. Now, 87 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 4: the reason why the foreign actors has been investigated because 88 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 4: this has been part of the landscape for the last 89 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 4: few years. Where Kershaw was saying seventy percent of payments 90 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: that go to criminals come from overseas, so they're logically 91 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 4: looking overseas as well. 92 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: If indeed the intention of making this announcement about potential 93 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: foreign actors was about transparency, why put it out there 94 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: without absolutely rock solid backing and intelligence. 95 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 4: It's hard to justify it was about transparency when there's 96 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: no more information available. So it's interesting that this has 97 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: been raised when the intelligence at the moment doesn't actually 98 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: support it. It's more part of their investigation because it 99 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: is a part of the crime landscape, and it has 100 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 4: been for the past few years. Normally the police and 101 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: the intelligence agencies are sort of above politics, but the 102 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 4: fact that Kershaw is now front and center of a 103 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: pretty tough political debate, I don't think is where he 104 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: would have wanted to be. 105 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Coming up what Australia's Jewish leaders want from the government 106 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: and from law enforcement. While I've got you, I wanted 107 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: to let you know about a very special live event 108 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: we're hosting in February. 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They've called for the 118 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: introduction of tougher sentencing for anti Semitic attackers, stronger hate 119 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: speech reform, no mask laws at protests, and mandatory antisemitism education. 120 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: The National Cabinet did say it would launch a national 121 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: database to track these kinds of crimes across jurisdictions, and 122 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: that the States and territories attorneys general would collaborate on 123 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: best practice for prosecutions. But after enduring thirteen anti Semitic 124 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: incidents in almost as many days, what Australian Jews got 125 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: was a vague indication that this could all be per 126 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: per betrayed by actors far from our shores. Greg Anthony 127 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Albanezi has dodged calls for weeks to convene a national 128 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: Cabinet to tackle antisemitism, and now that it's happened, he's 129 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: largely failed to deliver on the decisive action demanded by 130 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: Jewish leaders. He's also been criticized by an Israeli MP 131 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: who says Labour has fueled the antisemitism crisis unfolding in Australia. 132 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 6: The attitude of the current Australian government to words Israel 133 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 6: is inflaming a lot of these emotions and a giving, 134 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 6: I guess some acceptance when. 135 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: You do not fight it. 136 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 6: Words are not enough. That Jewish community needs actions. I mean, 137 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 6: what are they waiting for for someone to die, for 138 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 6: someone to be murdered? 139 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: Has he missed the moment here, especially in a week 140 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: when a these fire ideal was finally enacted in the 141 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Middle East. 142 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: The outcome of National Cabinet has been overshadowed by this 143 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 4: AFP announcement that they're investigating whether a foreign actor was involved. 144 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: So that's all sort of gone by the wayside a 145 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: little bit. You know, there was very little that came 146 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: out of that National Cabinets typical with this issue, he 147 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: was flat footed on it. So I think certainly there'll 148 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: be expectations more comes out of these National Cabinet meetings 149 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 4: when it comes to dealing with anti Semitism. And as 150 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: far as the criticism from Israel's deputy Foreign Minister, I 151 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: think it's certainly an escalation of the critiques that the 152 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: Israeli government has made on Australia to suggest that Anthony 153 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: Albanese's policies, his votes on New n motions that were 154 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: against Israel's position, suggesting that this is sort of inflamed 155 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 4: tensions and that he's not really doing enough to crack 156 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: him down on it. So these are pretty damaging for Albanese. 157 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: He particularly given he said only a few days ago 158 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: that his view as the relationship with the Ally of 159 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: Israel has always been good under his government. 160 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: This isn't necessarily a political issue, but is this politically 161 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: damaging for Anthony Albanesi and for Labor more broadly. 162 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 4: While the issue of Israel and Palestine and anti Semitism, 163 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: I think for most voters is not a front line issue, 164 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: I think the fact that we're waking up increasingly and 165 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 4: that the view is oh wow, it's another attack, another 166 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: violent attack, this I think does become the law and 167 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: order issue for people, and that is the front line issue, 168 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 4: particularly for people in areas where crime is increasing, such 169 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: as Queensland, and Peter Dutton is very much talking up 170 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: his law and order credentials. And I think just trying 171 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: to link the Labor brand to issues with crime from 172 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: data fundamentally state government issues, but just trying to link 173 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: all this to the government brand, I think it overall 174 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 4: can drive this perception that Labor's not the party to 175 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 4: keep the community safe. So in that sense, I think 176 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: that does become a political issue for him. 177 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: Greg Brown is The Australian's Canbra bureau chief. You can 178 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: read that story, as well as all the nation's best news, sport, 179 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: politics and business right now at the Australian dot com 180 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: dot au