Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Or on the program tonight, Labor accused of bullying the
Speaker 3: IRBA in a fiery question time. New polling shows that
Speaker 3: voters aren't buying Albanesi's excuses over the cost of living.
Speaker 3: Also tonight, will the Prime Minister bother to read the
Speaker 3: three thousand page Royal Commission report into veteran suicide? Well,
Speaker 3: he needs do because this is a blight on our nation.
Speaker 3: And pro Palestinian protesters target a Jewish school in Perth,
Speaker 3: a disgraceful act that shows that these activists have lost
Speaker 3: all morals and it comes as green counselors adopt her
Speaker 3: must symbols and the A and U allows a student
Speaker 3: qu endorsed the October seven terror attacks back to class plus.
Speaker 3: World renowned spiritual guru Deepak Chopra will join me live
Speaker 3: on the show tonight to share his view on the
Speaker 3: social unrest we're seeing, the rise in mental illness and
Speaker 3: how to find happiness. That exclusive interview coming up a
Speaker 3: bit later this hour. But first tonight, voters aren't buying
Speaker 3: Labour's attempt to blame the RBA for the cost of living.
Speaker 2: Crisis.
Speaker 3: Former Treasurer Wayne Swan seems to be suffering from relevant
Speaker 3: deprivation syndrome. He can't handle seeing his former protege now
Speaker 3: running the economy, and he obviously thinks Charmers isn't going
Speaker 3: tough enough on the RBA, because Wayne Swan came out
Speaker 3: swinging against the independent Central Bank on Friday.
Speaker 1: Well, the government is.
Speaker 4: Doing a lot to bring down inflation, but the Reserve
Speaker 4: Bank is simply punching itself in the face. It's counterproductive
Speaker 4: and it's not good to economic policy, and I'm incredibly
Speaker 4: disappointed at what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Well, the Treasurer responded and sought to distance himself from
Speaker 3: Swan just yesterday, and remember Swan is his close friend
Speaker 3: and old boss.
Speaker 5: Wayne went much further than I have. I'm making a
Speaker 5: factual point borne out by the National Accounts. I don't
Speaker 5: second guess the Reserve Bank.
Speaker 3: Well, the Coalition turned the heat on the government today
Speaker 3: over the anemic state of the economy. They accused Charmers
Speaker 3: of bullying the RBA and also took aim at the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
Speaker 6: Why won't the Prime Minister admit his government has been
Speaker 6: a disaster. As more Australian families are working harder and longer,
Speaker 6: but still going backwards.
Speaker 7: Last week, the Treasurer accused the RBA of smashing the economy.
Speaker 7: Then Labour's national president and the Treasurer's mentor, Wayne Swan, said,
Speaker 7: the RBA is quote punching itself in the face. Treasurer,
Speaker 7: Why does the alb and easy Labor government thinks it's
Speaker 7: acceptable to bully the independent RBA in this way when
Speaker 7: all they're doing is cleaning up Labour's economic mess. Why
Speaker 7: is the government fighting the Reserve Bank of Australia while
Speaker 7: Australian families go backwards?
Speaker 6: Why is the government fighting the Reserve Bank and leaving
Speaker 6: Australian families going backwards.
Speaker 3: With Well, the picture is building of Labor trying to
Speaker 3: turn the RBA into the villain, and this after the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister also tried to turn supermarket giants into a
Speaker 3: target for public anger over the cost of living crisis.
Speaker 2: But Wayne Swan is simply not believable.
Speaker 3: He's a failed treasurer obsessed with class warfare. This was
Speaker 3: the man who announced four years of surpluses but never
Speaker 3: delivered a single one.
Speaker 4: The four years of surpluses I announced tonight are a
Speaker 4: powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of
Speaker 4: our people, and the success of our policies.
Speaker 3: The RBA governor has easily deflected criticism that the central
Speaker 3: Bank is to blame for the weak economy. She says
Speaker 3: that the top priority is to bring inflation down and
Speaker 3: that talk of rate cuts are premature.
Speaker 8: The federal government and the treasurers in a number of
Speaker 8: times that he's doing his bit to try and bring
Speaker 8: down inflation. My job is to focus on what I
Speaker 8: can do, which is only the interest rate. If inflation
Speaker 8: doesn't come down, then it might be that the best
Speaker 8: medicine is in fact that we have to end up
Speaker 8: putting more restriction into the economy.
Speaker 3: So not taking further rate hikes off the table. And
Speaker 3: voters aren't buying the criticism of the RBA anyway. The
Speaker 3: Herald's polling today showed that only twenty seven percent of
Speaker 3: voters blame the central bank. And not only aren't the
Speaker 3: public buying the argument, but they think the opposite.
Speaker 2: According to this Polster.
Speaker 3: Resolved director Jim Rey said that voters are much more
Speaker 3: likely to hold the government responsible for inflation than the
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank, and many actually think the IRBA is trying
Speaker 3: to solve the issues caused in part by government. But
Speaker 3: the Treasurer Jim Chalmers is right to say that the
Speaker 3: economy is being smashed. As he says, this is a
Speaker 3: statement of fact. If it weren't for the high migration levels,
Speaker 3: we'd likely be in a full blown recession right now.
Speaker 3: And we are in a per capita recession. We've had
Speaker 3: six successive quarters of negative GDP per capita growth, So
Speaker 3: Australians feel like they're in a recession.
Speaker 2: Their household budgets feel like this.
Speaker 3: It's a point the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor made in
Speaker 3: question time today and he called it a household recession.
Speaker 6: Can the Treasurer confirmed that Australia has been in a
Speaker 6: household recession for the past six orders and that this
Speaker 6: is the longest straight run of falling per capita output
Speaker 6: on record.
Speaker 5: Now, mister speaker, if we had taken the free advice
Speaker 5: of those opposites, if we had taken their advice, the
Speaker 5: economy would be in recession right now.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers hit back again, claiming that the opposition wants
Speaker 3: a recession for political reasons.
Speaker 5: Those opposite don't support cost of living health, and they
Speaker 5: want higher interest rates. They want a recession for political reasons,
Speaker 5: and they're very disappointed when they didn't get one. Mister Speaker,
Speaker 5: if we had followed their advice, mister Speaker, or would
Speaker 5: be in recession right now, and we're not.
Speaker 1: This side of the House is fighting inflation.
Speaker 5: Without ignoring the risks to growth, and fighting inflation while
Speaker 5: recognizing the pressures that people are under, and we're getting
Speaker 5: the balance right well.
Speaker 3: The best political writer in this country, Paul Kelly, asks
Speaker 3: how far does the economy need to sink before a
Speaker 3: circuit breaker kicks in. He says Labour seems trapped between
Speaker 3: the politics and economics, with its declining trend in the
Speaker 3: polls and fear of minority government, the risk is that
Speaker 3: Labor will just offer a more of the same economic
Speaker 3: agenda at next year's election, a second term like the first.
Speaker 3: He says, that would mean bigger, more interventionist government, a
Speaker 3: costlier IR model, more red and green tape, no substantial
Speaker 3: tax reform, full throttle on the renewables transition, and subsiding
Speaker 3: wages in the care economy. He says that maybe enough
Speaker 3: to get re elected, it won't deliver a new growth
Speaker 3: model for Australia and Labour should be concerned about minority
Speaker 3: government because the Herald's polling also showed the Coalition and
Speaker 3: Labor neck and neck on a two party preferred basis.
Speaker 3: Labour's primary is at twenty eight percent while the Coalition's
Speaker 3: primary at thirty seven percent, but momentum is clearly in
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's favor.
Speaker 2: The government is on.
Speaker 3: The ropes over national security and border security.
Speaker 2: It's let people in from a.
Speaker 3: Terrorist controlled war zone without proper security vetting, and now
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has shown that he's coming after the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister over the cost of living, while with inflation still
Speaker 3: persistent and the economy week Albanezi should be worried.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: There's no greater service to our country and no greater
Speaker 3: act of selflessness than fighting for our nation. The mothers,
Speaker 3: partners and children of soldiers breathe a deep sigh of
Speaker 3: relief when they're loved ones make it home alife in
Speaker 3: one piece, but in too many cases, in the months
Speaker 3: and the years that follow, they go on to lose
Speaker 3: their loved ones to suicide. This is a blight on
Speaker 3: our nation, a deep shame on the defense and Veterans
Speaker 3: Affairs departments and on all politicians. The report from the
Speaker 3: Royal Commission into Veteran Suicide was finally handed down today
Speaker 3: after three years, seven volumes and over three thousand pages.
Speaker 3: I hope the Prime Minister takes the time to read
Speaker 3: every page. It is scathing of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 3: It found that the Department is not in its current
Speaker 3: form actually capable of delivering optimal wellbeing support to the
Speaker 3: veteran community or addressing the risks of suicide. There are
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty two recommendations. They include setting up
Speaker 3: a new body to help personnel transition to normal civilian life,
Speaker 3: also a formal inquiry into military sexual violence in the ADF.
Speaker 3: Here was Commissioner Nick Cowdice today.
Speaker 10: Well, when there's been dozens of inquiries and hundreds of recommendations,
Speaker 10: I'd say that's a failure in leadership. What is clear
Speaker 10: from some of the horrible stories that we've heard is
Speaker 10: that many people simply turn the blind eye over many
Speaker 10: years and felt it was too hard. We feel that
Speaker 10: unless there is an entity with enough power and resources
Speaker 10: to tackle the problems, they're simply going to persist. You
Speaker 10: can't keep doing the same thing over and over again
Speaker 10: and expect the result to come out different.
Speaker 3: There can be no greater urgency than this doing just
Speaker 3: what's right by our young men and women who put
Speaker 3: their life on the line for all of us. Well,
Speaker 3: this needs to be rectified by the Albanese government and urgently.
Speaker 3: I also just want to mention the veteran widows, the
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph newspaper editor Ben English and the now editor
Speaker 3: of the Adelaide Advertiser Jemma Jones, for making this royal
Speaker 3: commission happen. Media power is so important, and in this
Speaker 3: case it forced the former government to announce a royal
Speaker 3: commission that didn't want to know about all. Right, now
Speaker 3: to discuss this, and while, let's bring in senior fellow
Speaker 3: at the Mensies Research Center, Nick Cata and Sky News'
Speaker 3: host Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Sarry. How are you Joe?
Speaker 3: What do you think? This was a media campaign? The
Speaker 3: former government didn't want to hold a role commission. They
Speaker 3: said over and over and over again. We now have
Speaker 3: this scathing report. What does the government need to do here?
Speaker 11: The government needs to do absolutely everything the report says,
Speaker 11: and that includes obviously a special sort of purpose built,
Speaker 11: if you like, agency or department to help veterans transition
Speaker 11: from the armed forces into the community. It's a terrible
Speaker 11: comparison to make, but it's a bit like, you know,
Speaker 11: almost the transition.
Speaker 1: From prison into that outside.
Speaker 11: Once you've been in an environment which is highly institutionalized,
Speaker 11: highly regulated, where everything is controlled, you are doing extraordinary
Speaker 11: things that most of us could never even dream of doing,
Speaker 11: including potentially sacrificing your life for the nation. But that
Speaker 11: makes just everyday normal oring civilian suburban life almost you know,
Speaker 11: incomprehensible to some of them. There's also I remember reading
Speaker 11: years ago. I'm sure it's in the report as well.
Speaker 11: But you know, we are an Australian serviceman and woman
Speaker 11: is more likely to lose their life at the hands
Speaker 11: of their own weapon, or rather more likely to die
Speaker 11: from suicide than from an enemy bullet than from overseas combat.
Speaker 11: It's phenomenal. And again this is not necessarily a product
Speaker 11: of even seeing conflict or all. Necessarily. This happens when
Speaker 11: they're in training. So you have to have you have
Speaker 11: to have that awareness of the risk being there, and
Speaker 11: you have to have what they talk about in crisis
Speaker 11: management work I do with vineys and stuff that wrap
Speaker 11: around care, not just not just a Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 11: It just sort of cuts the checks and post them out.
Speaker 3: Well, Nick, you know, I think it came out in
Speaker 3: the report that it's not so much PTSD, but it's
Speaker 3: the environmental fact as it's bullying in the Defense Department
Speaker 3: certainly part of it.
Speaker 12: The report goes into that in some detail factors as well,
Speaker 12: many of which have been around for ever since we
Speaker 12: had soldiers. I think, you know, I had a distant
Speaker 12: relative who came home deeply traumatized from the First World
Speaker 12: War and ended up getting it turning it out. But
Speaker 12: we all know those stories. But clearly this report, its
Speaker 12: main recommendations one hundred and twenty two are aimed at
Speaker 12: the Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs and the government. But
Speaker 12: what struck me in Nick Callis's report of the seven paragraphs,
Speaker 12: which is aimed at us as a general public. What
Speaker 12: the general public should do. And I think we all
Speaker 12: have a responsibility to honor our servicemen whenever we can
Speaker 12: thank them for their service, keep an eye on them,
Speaker 12: reach out to them. And I think if I unfashionable
Speaker 12: as Scott Morrison might be. He did a very I
Speaker 12: thought a very important thing when he was Prime Minister,
Speaker 12: and that was enrolled the welcomed the country ritual into
Speaker 12: we always said, and any serviceman here, thank you for
Speaker 12: your service. I think we should do that more.
Speaker 1: Is more regularly.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 12: Because so many of the stories in here people are
Speaker 12: coming back feeling that they felt they weren't valued, Nobody cared,
Speaker 12: nobody listened, nobody respected what they'd done. I want to
Speaker 12: say here and now that I respect every serviceman who's
Speaker 12: served our country. We all be and we have to
Speaker 12: say this loudly and often, I think, and.
Speaker 3: More often they're subject to attacks in the media than gratitude,
Speaker 3: and we've seen that a lot in the past few
Speaker 3: years now. Australian billionaire James Packer gave an emotional and
Speaker 3: very revealing interview last night and he spoke very courageously
Speaker 3: about his own private battles.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 13: I think my downs coincided with either being on the
Speaker 13: wrong medication or having too much stress at work. And
Speaker 13: when I say too much stress at work, that's code
Speaker 13: for too much debt and problems with the business. I
Speaker 13: was put on lithium in twenty twenty two, and within
Speaker 13: two weeks was a zombie. I was a complete zombie.
Speaker 2: He was very vulnerable.
Speaker 3: He shared his pain, and he didn't only speak about
Speaker 3: mental health struggles, but also a battle with sugar.
Speaker 14: You know, the zembic thing that's happening at the moment
Speaker 14: when we go which I'm on it and I'm putting
Speaker 14: on what so you're still still Yeah, So I'm eating
Speaker 14: a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1: I'm mating. I'm consuming a lot of sugar.
Speaker 14: Because you don't drink, do you You're not I'm not
Speaker 14: drinking drinking, I'm not drinking. No, So where do you get?
Speaker 14: How do you get?
Speaker 1: All the sugar? Is just truckloads of sugar? Truckloads of sugar.
Speaker 13: Are you're not interviewing someone who's saying to you, I've
Speaker 13: got it worked out and I've got all the answers.
Speaker 14: My work in progress, my work in progress, Joe.
Speaker 3: You know, I think this was so brave of him
Speaker 3: to be that vulnerable publicly for millions and millions of
Speaker 3: people to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Really really resonated me. It's been haunting me ever since
Speaker 11: last night. I'm bipoul myself not to the extent that
Speaker 11: James Packery is. I also know people have been on
Speaker 11: lithium and he's absolutely right. It completely zonks you out,
Speaker 11: and the cure is worse than the disease. I met
Speaker 11: James Packerd just once and I was stunned by how
Speaker 11: incredibly gracious and honest he was. And so this doesn't
Speaker 11: surprise me at all. But for someone who I suppose
Speaker 11: is in a business which relies on kind of you know, power,
Speaker 11: a certain amount of fear or respect for you, this
Speaker 11: is a towering human being who is basically just completely
Speaker 11: pulled down the facade and said, no, I'm a broken bloke, rebuilt,
Speaker 11: need to rebuild from the ground up. And I thought,
Speaker 11: good on him.
Speaker 3: I agree with you that element of his personality, and
Speaker 3: I don't know him personally, but that graciousness came through
Speaker 3: and he didn't want to say a bad word about anyone,
Speaker 3: and that really came through it in the interview. But Nick,
Speaker 3: you know, they spoke Rubbie Williams and James Packer spoke
Speaker 3: about the genetic element of mental illness. But you also
Speaker 3: got the sense that seeing as he first had his
Speaker 3: mental health crisis when there was a business deal in
Speaker 3: collab that a lot of this might be environmental, and
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 2: Gosh, life just might be easier.
Speaker 3: Not being a billionaire with all these pressures on you. You know,
Speaker 3: the simple life would probably be easier on one's mental
Speaker 3: health and probably you know lead right.
Speaker 12: Sorry, But I think any of us who've known people
Speaker 12: with mental illness or people who just get depressed from
Speaker 12: time to time, you know that if your mental health
Speaker 12: isn't very strong, then you don't cope with whatever problems
Speaker 12: come along. You know, problems that if you were a
Speaker 12: little bit stronger in your mind, would just you just
Speaker 12: be able to deal with become mountains in front of you.
Speaker 1: But I agree, I think this is.
Speaker 12: A true mentously courageous interview, and he's right. I think
Speaker 12: we don't. The medication is still very rough and ready
Speaker 12: for most mental diseases, whether it be you know, schizophrenia
Speaker 12: or whatever it is. And I think I've come to
Speaker 12: the conclusion over the years, knowing people like James who
Speaker 12: struck how my mental illness, that the worst kind of
Speaker 12: disability is the disability of the mind. You know, physical
Speaker 12: disability is bad enough, but if you've got a disability
Speaker 12: of mind, it just it just handicaps everything you do.
Speaker 12: It just stops everything you do and stops you having
Speaker 12: a fulfilling life. Though, Yeah, I mean, good on him
Speaker 12: and you know that, hope. He encourages other people to
Speaker 12: seek treatment and it encourages more research into this vital area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Just again, so brave of him
Speaker 3: to do that. And he mentioned a couple of times
Speaker 3: a few times in that interview that he was embarrassed
Speaker 3: to give an answer. So hard to sit there and
Speaker 3: open your private life up like that. Now let's turn
Speaker 3: to the Australian National University. This was just a shocking move.
Speaker 3: It appears to have backflipped on its decision to expel
Speaker 3: a student, Beatrice Tucker, who endorsed Hermas.
Speaker 2: This was the student on the ABC earlier this year.
Speaker 6: But surely if you're going to protest against that, you've
Speaker 6: also got to send him mishies to Hamas to release
Speaker 6: the hostages, don't you.
Speaker 15: Well, I actually say that Hermas deserve our unconditional support,
Speaker 15: not because they agree with their strategy.
Speaker 1: Can't You can't condemn what har Mass did in October.
Speaker 15: Now we'll not condemn what Hamas did. We must be unconditional,
Speaker 15: but we must be critical.
Speaker 3: Also, so A and you initially expelled her from A
Speaker 3: and U, but then The Herald reported today that Tucker
Speaker 3: posted on social media celebrating the fact that she was
Speaker 3: now allowed back on campus, and the university has refused
Speaker 3: to comment on the case. Joe, this sends the worst
Speaker 3: possible message, doesn't it.
Speaker 11: Look at Dard's But again, I think the expulsion or
Speaker 11: non expulsion is almost secondary to me. The most important
Speaker 11: thing is that this, this link has been exposed, and
Speaker 11: that it you know, the far left is openly siding
Speaker 11: with a terrorist, a prescribed, non ambiguous, prescribed terrorist organization,
Speaker 11: and refusing to condemn them, even when they're being led
Speaker 11: by the chain by the ABC host saying surely you're
Speaker 11: not that crazy to actually support these guys, And even
Speaker 11: then they just can't do it.
Speaker 1: And you see it again and again.
Speaker 11: There's more examples that will come to light, I'm sure,
Speaker 11: But again, sunlight for the best, Joe, you need to
Speaker 11: expose these people.
Speaker 3: I agree, we need to expose them, but then you
Speaker 3: also need to deal with them because the issue is
Speaker 3: that this becomes normalized, and if university chancellors, if the police,
Speaker 3: if everyone's turning a blind eye to this, then it
Speaker 3: just becomes normalized and.
Speaker 2: It's such a deep issue for us. Look, I just.
Speaker 3: Want to end with a story by my colleague and
Speaker 3: friendly and Mendes, who managed to track former nine News
Speaker 3: boss Darren Wick down and put a lot of questions
Speaker 3: to him over the explosive sexual harassment allegations that rocked
Speaker 3: Channel nine after his departure.
Speaker 2: Here was Liam confronting Darren Wick.
Speaker 16: What have you got to say to the women who've
Speaker 16: made allegations against you? Why haven't you spoken publicly about
Speaker 16: these allegations, mister Wick? These are serious allegations of groping,
Speaker 16: sexual harassment, and manipulation. You don't have anything to say
Speaker 16: at all. Why weren't you upfront about why you left nine?
Speaker 2: Nick?
Speaker 15: Now?
Speaker 3: I think people watching this might think, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: the poor guy, but not the poor guy. He was
Speaker 3: the head of Channel nine that did doorstops like this
Speaker 3: all of the time. He hasn't fronted up. There are
Speaker 3: dozens of women who have made complaints about inappropriate behavior
Speaker 3: or sexual harassment or a toxic workplace under him. He
Speaker 3: should be answering questions. This is what he would have
Speaker 3: been ordering journalists to do under his watch.
Speaker 1: I know, it's lovely delicious, isn't it.
Speaker 12: They throw the current affairs treatment back at him, which credit.
Speaker 12: Actually he handled it like you should in those situations,
Speaker 12: absolutely stony face, don't register, don't do anything.
Speaker 1: Certainly don't touch the camera.
Speaker 3: But you know, unlike Peter Costello, because when Lea went
Speaker 3: after him, he did touch the camera.
Speaker 12: But it was even contrast a terrific exercised by Liam.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I think everybody loved the iron of it.
Speaker 12: But let's hope Channel nine deals with this properly and
Speaker 12: quickly and just gets this, puts this whole thing to bed.
Speaker 12: And if he's responsible for underworld behavior, let's see he's bought.
Speaker 1: You know that he's brought to account for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they have been doing a report by an
Speaker 3: independent firm, so that is coming up still.
Speaker 2: But again, great work by Liam.
Speaker 3: Mendy, such an excellent journalist. All Right, Nick Kata, Joe Hildebrand,
Speaker 3: thank you both so much for joining me. Well, now
Speaker 3: let's turn it to the US now, because it seems
Speaker 3: like Donald Trump is calling back the lead at least
Speaker 3: in the New York Times latest national poll. This is
Speaker 3: a boost to the former president's campaign ahead of his
Speaker 3: debate with Kamala Harris, which will be Tuesday local time
Speaker 3: in the US Wednesday morning our time. Look, the same
Speaker 3: survey show that twenty eight percent of likely voters said
Speaker 3: they still needed to know.
Speaker 2: More about Kamala Harris. Well, this is a bad.
Speaker 3: Sign for the Democratic Let's bring it now. Sky News
Speaker 3: contributor Kosher Gata Kosher, great to see you again. Look,
Speaker 3: Trump was ahead in the national polling, but not in
Speaker 3: the crucial swing states. So take us through what this means.
Speaker 9: So the momentum definitely seems to be picking up for
Speaker 9: him and in his favor, where it's only a couple
Speaker 9: of short weeks after the DNC where you would expect
Speaker 9: to see a bounce for Kamala and it's all but dissipated.
Speaker 9: And for him also, just to step back and talk
Speaker 9: about the big picture, for him to be up even
Speaker 9: one point or one to two points in the national
Speaker 9: poll is dramatically higher than where he was at this
Speaker 9: exact point in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen, which is
Speaker 9: something important to remember because Republican candidates are always behind
Speaker 9: in the national pol but then they overperform with the
Speaker 9: electoral college. So This is good news. He's in a
Speaker 9: very good position going into the debate in the swing states,
Speaker 9: particularly if you look at some of the cross tabs
Speaker 9: for those who like to nerd out into the weeds
Speaker 9: with these poles. He's doing really well with his base,
Speaker 9: the white working class order bas where he routed a
Speaker 9: little bit of a support, had routed it in twenty twenty.
Speaker 9: He seems to be pulling them back and honor demographics
Speaker 9: like black men seem to be holding strong with him.
Speaker 9: They haven't really shifted towards Kamala Harris despite that. So
Speaker 9: all in all, I think he's in the best position
Speaker 9: that he could be in going into tomorrow's debt.
Speaker 3: Look, there's been a lot in the news about the
Speaker 3: endorsement by the Cheneese for Kamala Harris. Look, they are
Speaker 3: an influential Republican family. But at least Cheney has been
Speaker 3: an enemy of Trumps for a while. She was on
Speaker 3: the January sixth Select Committee. She came out against him
Speaker 3: on the Sunday shows in the US have a look.
Speaker 17: You know, Donald Trump presents a challenge and a threat
Speaker 17: fundamentally to the Republic. We see it on a daily basis.
Speaker 17: Somebody who was willing to use violence in order to
Speaker 17: attempt to seize power to stay in power.
Speaker 3: And those comments came after her father, Dick Cheney, released
Speaker 3: a statement saying, in our nations at two hundred and
Speaker 3: forty eight years history, there's never been an individual who's
Speaker 3: a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump. He
Speaker 3: can never be trusted with power again, Kosha Yet Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris welcome the praise. She said, this was an honor,
Speaker 3: But didn't the Democrats hate Dick Cheney for his role
Speaker 3: in the Iraq wois and this a bit inconsistent.
Speaker 9: Yes, you're spot on, there was. I think social media
Speaker 9: was a blaze with people retweeting clips by prominent Democrats
Speaker 9: who are very very critical of the Bush Cheney era
Speaker 9: and that chapter and in terms of what it meant
Speaker 9: for foreign policy and US involvement in these wars. Look,
Speaker 9: I think talk about an inversion where these endorsements by
Speaker 9: and large don't really move the needle in it for
Speaker 9: the large part in a dramatic way, but they are
Speaker 9: important signals in terms of the pulse of the electorate.
Speaker 9: And now we're sitting at a time where Kennedy Democrats
Speaker 9: are for Trump and Bush Cheney Republicans are for Harris,
Speaker 9: which is something that even four years ago might have
Speaker 9: been unfathomable for so many people. Insofar as you know
Speaker 9: what the is going to do, it really depends on
Speaker 9: how much is going to move the base. I don't
Speaker 9: think any of these endorsements are doing anything to change
Speaker 9: the minds of the base of either party. But what
Speaker 9: are they going to do for Independence? I would think
Speaker 9: that a Kennedy endorsement tool see Gabbard and even non
Speaker 9: political figures like Elon Musk, you could see how that
Speaker 9: could move the needle a little bit for Independence in
Speaker 9: favor of Trump, Whereas I just don't think that a
Speaker 9: chain the endorsement one where the other is going to
Speaker 9: change too many independent minds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Elon Musk, Donald Trump has confirmed that
Speaker 3: there'll be what he calls a government Efficiency Commission if
Speaker 3: he wins in November, and he's chosen Elon Musk behind
Speaker 3: the idea to lead it. Musk has commented on this
Speaker 3: on his platform X and he said that he was
Speaker 3: looking forward to serving America if the opportunity arises. So
Speaker 3: what do you think of this appointment by Trump of
Speaker 3: Elon Musk if he wins the presidency.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you know, commissions are not magic wands.
Speaker 9: They have their limitation in terms of how much change
Speaker 9: can effectuate. However, the big picture is everybody knows that
Speaker 9: there is massive government inefficiency all around the world, and
Speaker 9: the US is at the top of that heap with
Speaker 9: thirty six trillion dollars in debt, huge bloat. And then
Speaker 9: on the flip side, you think that entrepreneurs and successful
Speaker 9: entrepreneurs are inherently very very efficient because they're used to
Speaker 9: bootstrapping things and doing they're inherently geared to do much
Speaker 9: more with much less. So I think in that sense
Speaker 9: it's a good thing. Also, bringing in outside blood, if
Speaker 9: you will, people that aren't Washington creatures, havn't come up
Speaker 9: through politics is generally a good thing. Getting more fresh
Speaker 9: thinking from the outside inn That was a hallmark of
Speaker 9: Trump himself and his campaign in twenty sixteen. Maybe got
Speaker 9: lost a little bit in twenty twenty, so I think
Speaker 9: this is sort of a return to what one of
Speaker 9: his hallmark features was of bringing in outsiders who can
Speaker 9: shift the.
Speaker 15: Thinking a little bit. And I think it's netnet a
Speaker 15: good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed. A smart move at the very least.
Speaker 3: All right, Koshagada, great to see you again, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now still to come in the show, world famous spiritual
Speaker 3: guru Deepak Chopra, he's going to join us. I'm going
Speaker 3: to ask him how to find happiness, what the meaning
Speaker 3: of life is, just some simple questions, and how we
Speaker 3: cope with the rise in anti Semitism. Let's see what
Speaker 3: he has to say about that. Plus the Green stoop
Speaker 3: to a new low with local candidates using her must
Speaker 3: symbols on their election material and pro Palestinian protesters have
Speaker 3: targeted Jewish school That and more in Labour's war on
Speaker 3: the RBA. With my Political panel next, all right, lots
Speaker 3: more to get through tonight. My interview with d Pak
Speaker 3: Chopra still coming up in the show, but right now,
Speaker 3: let's get straight into it with our Monday political panel.
Speaker 3: Bill Shorten's former chief of staff Cameron Milner and John
Speaker 3: Howard's former advisor David Gazard.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Look Parliament back today politicians in Canberra. The economy and
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis dominated question time. The Coalition accused
Speaker 3: Labor of bullying the RBA.
Speaker 2: A quick look at that.
Speaker 7: Treasure Why does the alban Easy Labor government thinks it's
Speaker 7: acceptable to bully the independent RBA in this way when
Speaker 7: all they're doing is cleaning up Labour's economic mess.
Speaker 5: First of all, the governor of the Reserve Bank doesn't
Speaker 5: consider it the way that the Deputy Leader has said.
Speaker 3: Look, this is clearly Cameron where the political debate will
Speaker 3: be ahead of the next election on the economy, on
Speaker 3: the cost of living crisis. How do you think both
Speaker 3: sides handled this today?
Speaker 18: Well, I think it was quite good from obviously the coalition,
Speaker 18: but Labour's being reactive. Labor's backed into a corner and
Speaker 18: is becoming abusive. I mean the Prime Minister abused the
Speaker 18: resources sector today, but can I call it out? I
Speaker 18: mean Wayne Swan's attack on the first female governor of
Speaker 18: the RBA last Friday was just appauling Shari. He uses
Speaker 18: gendered violent terms like a punch in the face. He's
Speaker 18: got form on this. When Gail Kelly, who was a
Speaker 18: Westpac CEO, raised interest rates, he said it was a
Speaker 18: slap in the face. I mean these are terms which
Speaker 18: are domestic violence tropes, slap and punch. I mean, this
Speaker 18: guy's discussed it despicable. He only turns nasty with women though,
Speaker 18: when men have the same roles and do the same things,
Speaker 18: like you know, Governor Lowe said the same thing about
Speaker 18: interest rates that the Governor bull had said the other day.
Speaker 18: No attack there. But when it's a woman in a
Speaker 18: senior role, Wayne Swan unleashes and it doesn't deserve to
Speaker 18: be the party president any longer if you can't keep
Speaker 18: up with where the society has moved. Because it wasn't
Speaker 18: acceptable fifteen years ago, it was acceptable five days ago.
Speaker 1: Shari.
Speaker 18: You can't attack women in positions of power, and that's
Speaker 18: what Wayne Swan does regrettably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting take on this because we have
Speaker 3: seen that Labour figures have been attacking the Irba governor
Speaker 3: for not cutting rates, but they did attack Peel low
Speaker 3: the former governor as well, over the rate rises and
Speaker 3: for giving mis leading.
Speaker 2: Advice to the electorates.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I take your point about Wayne Swan
Speaker 3: and the use of his words, the choice of words.
Speaker 18: That the language Shari, it's the language that.
Speaker 3: Hadn't occurred to me because this has been a consistent
Speaker 3: you know, leaf at it out of Labour's playbook. David
Speaker 3: Gazar to attack the IBA governors, hasn't it, rather than
Speaker 3: look at what they're doing themselves.
Speaker 19: Yeah, the time on a tradition in this would be
Speaker 19: have to go to the electro or to borrowers, to
Speaker 19: say shop around to get a better deal out of
Speaker 19: your bank, demand a better deal out of your private
Speaker 19: retail bank. Not to attack the RBA, because the government
Speaker 19: has the key relationship with the RBA in its charter.
Speaker 19: So the Treasurer would have signed a letter to the
Speaker 19: RBA governor whom he appointed, Michelle Bullock, that said we
Speaker 19: want you to keep inflation between in the band of
Speaker 19: two to three percent. Now that's her primary job, that's
Speaker 19: her only job, that's the job she takes most seriously,
Speaker 19: and central bank governors do. If Jim Chalmers really wants
Speaker 19: to change rates, he could write tomorrow to Michelle Bullock
Speaker 19: to say I've decided to change the the band, the
Speaker 19: acceptable band from two point zero to three point zero
Speaker 19: to two point five to three point five. That's within
Speaker 19: his power to do it tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But that's cheating.
Speaker 3: You can't just you can't just change the official inflation band.
Speaker 2: Though I mean that you most certainly can, that you
Speaker 2: might be able to, but surely that's not the level
Speaker 2: at most which.
Speaker 19: It most certainly is shari. You can change that tomorrow.
Speaker 19: That is the charter obligation the bank has, which is
Speaker 19: set by the government, between the Treasurer and the RBA governor.
Speaker 20: They could do it tomorrow.
Speaker 19: There's no point in challenging and attacking the RBA governor
Speaker 19: for doing something that you've asked her to do.
Speaker 3: And look, it seems like voters aren't buying into Labour's
Speaker 3: attack line against the Central Bank anyway.
Speaker 2: I spoke earlier in the.
Speaker 3: Show about the Herald's Resolve Political Monitor poll that shows
Speaker 3: that a majority agree that the government is responsible for
Speaker 3: bringing inflation down. Thirty seven percent agree that the Liberals
Speaker 3: are better at economic management.
Speaker 2: This is a key issue, cameren.
Speaker 3: What does this poll tell you about Labour's chances at
Speaker 3: the next election, given this is the critical issue for
Speaker 3: every family.
Speaker 18: I agree with David's comment before. I mean the government
Speaker 18: owns the RBA agenda, and the government went out to
Speaker 18: the last election and owned the cost of living agenda.
Speaker 18: I mean they promises the two hundred seventy five dollars
Speaker 18: power cut, they promised a cost of living war, and
Speaker 18: instead we've got eleven interest rate rises later, We've got
Speaker 18: the worst cost of living crisis on our hands. Our
Speaker 18: terms of wages relative everything else is going backwards compared
Speaker 18: to the rest of the world, all on Albanize's watch.
Speaker 18: So a little wonder that voters who are living through
Speaker 18: this nightmare are blaming Albanese and labor rather than other
Speaker 18: people for the cost of living crisis.
Speaker 1: So resolve.
Speaker 18: I think you know it shouldn come as any great surprise,
Speaker 18: and Labour's looking down the barrel of guaranteed only a
Speaker 18: minority government and worse, potentially a loss at the next
Speaker 18: federal election.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the only one who says, and it's interesting
Speaker 3: that you're a Labour figure only one who says there
Speaker 3: could be a potential loss. David Gazardo, I want to
Speaker 3: ask you, given the anemic state of the economy, given
Speaker 3: inflation is persistent, shouldn't the Liberals be further ahead in
Speaker 3: this measure in the polling that we see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 19: Look, I think it's an interesting question, Charie. I think
Speaker 19: it comes down to whether or not the coalition is
Speaker 19: prepared to reveal its hand from a policy perspective this
Speaker 19: far out from an election. I noticed Angus Taylor, the
Speaker 19: Shadow Treasurer, saying a week or so ago that he'd
Speaker 19: come up with one hundred billion dollars in savings. No
Speaker 19: doubt that is going to fund some of the promises
Speaker 19: that coalition have between now in the election. It's always
Speaker 19: a tactical and strategic decision on when you release your policies.
Speaker 1: If you do it.
Speaker 19: Now, you get the government to you give the government
Speaker 19: the opportunity to work them over with the backing of
Speaker 19: treasury defined sort of loopholes or whatever they think, and
Speaker 19: he in raids a campaign against them. So it's become
Speaker 19: more of a campaign strategy. Release set later when people
Speaker 19: are starting to wake up and take notice during the campaign.
Speaker 19: So I think this will change as we get close
Speaker 19: to the election. Is sort of the short answer of
Speaker 19: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we also saw this week Bill Shorten announced
Speaker 3: his resignation just a few days ago. He always wanted
Speaker 3: to be prime minister. Everyone knows that. Look, I have
Speaker 3: to ask you, Cameron Milner, you're a close friend of
Speaker 3: Bill Shorten's who served as his chief of staff. Why
Speaker 3: did Shorton choose to leave at this point in time?
Speaker 3: And does it indicate a loss of confidence in the
Speaker 3: Albaneze government.
Speaker 18: Well, I think Bill obviously I wishing well. I wish
Speaker 18: he was Prime Minister of Australia, like a lot of
Speaker 18: people I think around the table. Look, I wish him
Speaker 18: well in terms of the role of vice chancellor. That
Speaker 18: he's going to go on to the University Camberra. He'll
Speaker 18: do really well there. But I think the comments in
Speaker 18: the weekend papers show I mean someone said that you
Speaker 18: shortens departure was the biggest vote of no confidence in
Speaker 18: the Albanese government. So even if builded one send that message,
Speaker 18: people are interpreting that way and Albanese has got to
Speaker 18: answer the charge.
Speaker 2: And so why did he leave? Now, what do you
Speaker 2: think this timing was about.
Speaker 18: I think it's met explained. I mean, obviously, to become
Speaker 18: the vice chancellor of the Unversity of Canberra, it went through
Speaker 18: a vote. He had to obviously then announce that he
Speaker 18: was leaving and taking up that role in February. So
Speaker 18: the timing was the timing of the vice chancellor side
Speaker 18: of things, not the political cycle. But nevertheless, losing such
Speaker 18: a strong talent from the front bench leaves a huge
Speaker 18: deficit for Albanese who's not exactly blessed with strong advocates
Speaker 18: for his cause.
Speaker 3: No, indeed, all right, just before we go, let's turn
Speaker 3: to the Greens, and The Australian reported today that local
Speaker 3: government Green's candidates in one of Sydney's most populous Jewish
Speaker 3: areas are putting their names to pro Palestinian pledge cards
Speaker 3: adorned with inverted triangles that are closely associated with her MASS.
Speaker 3: David GAZARTI concerned that we have political hopefuls out there
Speaker 3: who are using such violent imagery.
Speaker 19: Most certainly, I mean, I think it's completely disgraceful. Within
Speaker 19: all of our five ICE partners that are signed up
Speaker 19: to our security agreement, all of them, if not all
Speaker 19: of them, describe MASS as a prescribed terror organization. It's
Speaker 19: not too long ago that Labor was urging the Coalition.
Speaker 20: To put one nation last on.
Speaker 19: It's how to Vote cards because Pauline Hansen had had
Speaker 19: the audacity to challenge the orthodoxy on immigration and question
Speaker 19: the high level of immigration. Julian Lisa has sort of
Speaker 19: run the case for Labor to put the Greens last
Speaker 19: for supporting an organization that is known around the world
Speaker 19: for it's It's it's it's strategical strategic attacks on Israel.
Speaker 19: Israel as a state of terror. I'm to have this,
Speaker 19: you know, in the body politic in Australia bewilders me
Speaker 19: and to not really understand how more people aren't jumping
Speaker 19: up and down about it. It actually frightens me.
Speaker 3: I'll completely agree, and I agree the pressure needs to
Speaker 3: be put on labor to preference Green's last. They keep
Speaker 3: talking about the Greens, Well, what are they going to.
Speaker 2: Do about it?
Speaker 3: All right, David Gazard, Cameron Mill, thank you both again
Speaker 3: for your time tonight.
Speaker 2: Now after the.
Speaker 3: Break, Oh, I should just add that those local Greens candidates,
Speaker 3: they claim that that inverted triangle represents an upside down watermelon.
Speaker 3: They say that it's not the hamas symbols, So got
Speaker 3: to give them their say for legal reasons. Now after
Speaker 3: the break, Deepak Chopper joins me Live with his outlook
Speaker 3: on the mental health crisis, what we should do about
Speaker 3: the social unrest in the world and how to find happiness.
Speaker 3: That interview coming up after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, every day it's becoming clearer that we're living at
Speaker 3: a time of great unrest and division. Weak political leaders
Speaker 3: are failing to ensure there's peace and social cohesion. We
Speaker 3: talk about this every night from a national security perspective,
Speaker 3: but it's just becoming more and more depressing, and if
Speaker 3: you're like me, it just makes me worried for what
Speaker 3: the future looks like, not just for our children, but
Speaker 3: our grandchildren and their grandchildren. It's why I was keen
Speaker 3: to speak with spiritual icon and legend Deepak Chopra tonight
Speaker 3: and I'm pleased to say he joins me live now
Speaker 3: from New York. Deepak, Welcome to the program and to
Speaker 3: Australian television. We saw we saw an emotional interview with
Speaker 3: Australian billionaire James Packer on television last night. He's a billionaire,
Speaker 3: but he struggles with mental health battles like many many
Speaker 3: people do around the world. What advice can you give
Speaker 3: on mental health and on finding happiness?
Speaker 21: Well, right now, there's a lot of research that actually
Speaker 21: shows what makes people happy. And there's an equation known
Speaker 21: as the happiness equation. And here it is H is
Speaker 21: equal to S plus C plus V. H for happiness
Speaker 21: stands for your set point in the brain for happiness
Speaker 21: or unhappiness. It's primarily your attitude. Do you look at
Speaker 21: the world as a problem or do you look at
Speaker 21: the world as an opportunity. That's fifty percent of your
Speaker 21: happiness experience every day. Ten percent comes from what is
Speaker 21: called conditions of life H plus S plus C. Conditions
Speaker 21: of life is money mainly, and it adds about ten
Speaker 21: percent to your happiness equation every day. If you win
Speaker 21: the lottery, you'll be very happy instantly. If you've become
Speaker 21: a billionaire in six months, you'll plito. In one year,
Speaker 21: you return to your set point. And the last part
Speaker 21: of the equation is the voluntary choices we make every day.
Speaker 21: We make two kinds of choices, one for personal pleasure shopping, sex, food,
Speaker 21: entertainment to make us happy for a short period time.
Speaker 21: But then there's a deeper fulfillment that comes if you
Speaker 21: have meaning and purpose in your life, and if you
Speaker 21: know how to make other people happy through affection, attention, appreciation,
Speaker 21: and acceptance. That, in short, is the research on happiness.
Speaker 2: That is a beautiful answer.
Speaker 3: Deepack, I spoke to you personally not long after the
Speaker 3: October seven terror attacks. But since then, the unrest in
Speaker 3: the world has only escalated. We're seeing angry and aggressive protests, violence,
Speaker 3: a massive rise in anti Semitism, hatred towards Jews, and
Speaker 3: many of us are feeling very bleak about the future.
Speaker 3: We worry about the life of our future generations, that
Speaker 3: it'll be overrun with hate and racism. Can you give
Speaker 3: us some advice at this difficult time, Goibally.
Speaker 13: Yes.
Speaker 21: You know, what we see currently is medieval minds and
Speaker 21: modern capacities for warfare and death, including drones and weaponization
Speaker 21: of even artificial intelligence, cyber hacking, et cetera.
Speaker 20: So we have leaders who are only.
Speaker 21: Interested in power mongering, cronaism, corruption, and influence peddling.
Speaker 20: And unfortunately this is a very bad combination.
Speaker 21: And what I am trying to do with groups across
Speaker 21: the world is create a basis for both prosperity and peace.
Speaker 21: When you link peace to prosperity for all sides, then
Speaker 21: there's a chance. And you know, right now, the main
Speaker 21: appeal should be to the younger generation, the gen Z,
Speaker 21: who are very pointed by the way we are conducting
Speaker 21: ourselves in the world. I have a program called the
Speaker 21: Soul of Leadership, which I've taught at various business schools
Speaker 21: in the United States that links leadership to shared vision
Speaker 21: complementing each other's strengths, finding the unique diversity that is
Speaker 21: good for any ecosystem, and creating a spiritual an emotional bond.
Speaker 21: And we're using technology. We have chat pots. We have
Speaker 21: a site called never Alone dot Love that you can
Speaker 21: go to where we encourage communities to create peace and prosperity,
Speaker 21: both online and off communities.
Speaker 3: It's a difficult problem, Deepak. You just mentioned technology. You
Speaker 3: personally are embracing AI. You've got a new book on
Speaker 3: AI out. But you've also recorded and this is actually
Speaker 3: quite incredible. You've recorded your voice giving advice on various
Speaker 3: different topics.
Speaker 2: There's a website. I tried it this morning.
Speaker 3: Actually you can ask any question to depac Chopper of
Speaker 3: any time of the day and your recorded answer comes back.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us how this works?
Speaker 3: And you know how why you love AI when it
Speaker 3: comes to spirituality.
Speaker 21: So I've written on ninety seven books over the last
Speaker 21: thirty years on things like health, personal growth and spirituality.
Speaker 21: And the website is called digitaldepok dot Ai, which does
Speaker 21: not loosin it because it's called a RAG system. RAG
Speaker 21: stands for retrieval, augmentation generation, which means looks at the
Speaker 21: latest information on health on well being. You can use
Speaker 21: as a personal confidante, you can use it as a
Speaker 21: health coach, you can use it as a research assistant,
Speaker 21: and you can use it as spiritual guide.
Speaker 20: And the book is right behind me.
Speaker 21: It's called digital Parma, or to use AI to elevate
Speaker 21: both personal well being and spiritual intelligence. Goes along with
Speaker 21: the website. Right now, you can ask the questions in English, Arabic, Spanish,
Speaker 21: and Hindi, but soon in Chinese as well, and other
Speaker 21: languages European languages as well, So the opens again to
Speaker 21: reach a critical mass for a more peaceful, just sustainable,
Speaker 21: healthier and joyful world.
Speaker 20: At least that's intention.
Speaker 2: No, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: I asked it, you know, how to stop feeling guilty
Speaker 3: about coming into work every night for my children. It
Speaker 3: gave me, and you gave me an answer. It was
Speaker 3: AI was amazing.
Speaker 20: But I hope digitallypuggd up.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, the other question I actually put into your AI
Speaker 3: website today and it gave me an answer that took
Speaker 3: less than thirty seconds to read, is what is the
Speaker 3: meaning of life?
Speaker 2: Deepak Chock right, what's the meaning of life?
Speaker 21: You know, ultimately the meaning is what you give it.
Speaker 21: But the meaning of life is the progressive expansion of happiness,
Speaker 21: enjoy and love, compassion, truth, goodness, beauty, harmony, and ultimately
Speaker 21: the loss of the fear of death if you get
Speaker 21: in touch with your deeper self.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine losing the fear of death.
Speaker 3: That seems to be impossible, but we can all work
Speaker 3: towards at Deepak Chapter, wonderful to have you on the
Speaker 3: show from New York tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 3: And if you want to see Deepak Chapper Live, He'll
Speaker 3: be in Australia in Sydney on the twenty second of November.
Speaker 3: He'll be in Melbourne on the twenty fourth and for
Speaker 3: tickets you can go to Deepaklive dot com. And the
Speaker 3: book that he spoke about is called Digital Dharma. How
Speaker 3: AI can elevate spiritual intelligence and well being? Now after
Speaker 3: the break, pro Palestinian protesters targeted a Jewish primary school today, Well,
Speaker 3: how low can these low lives get? The w Premier
Speaker 3: needs to stand up to this disgraceful behavior.
Speaker 2: The details after this break welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, just to end the show, a Jewish school in
Speaker 3: Perth today was targeted by pro Palestinian protests.
Speaker 2: There were about eight idiots.
Speaker 3: Who turned up at the primary school this morning. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to name the school for security reasons, but
Speaker 3: my team spoke to the principal today. She was highly
Speaker 3: disappointed by this. There was a community rabbi whose children
Speaker 3: actually attend the school.
Speaker 2: He was there when police arrived.
Speaker 3: They told the group to move on that the rabbi
Speaker 3: made the point that no one should be protesting on
Speaker 3: the doorstep.
Speaker 2: Of any school. Children should be left out of this.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 3: WA police issued a number of move on notices to
Speaker 3: the protesters.
Speaker 2: One man was arrested.
Speaker 3: He's since been released without charge, pending further inquiries. But
Speaker 3: we have to draw a line here. This is unacceptable.
Speaker 3: These protesters can protest on the.
Speaker 2: Streets as vile as they are, but there.
Speaker 3: Are no circumstances where scaring school children is okay. Shame
Speaker 3: on them and the WA Premier Roger Cook needs to
Speaker 3: show leadership. He needs to call this out and make
Speaker 3: sure that everyone knows that if they turn up to
Speaker 3: a school they will be immediately removed or arrested. Kids
Speaker 3: need to be left out of this conflict. How can
Speaker 3: adults behave so idiotically. All right, that's it from me.
Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's
Speaker 3: Paul Murray.