WEBVTT - Sharri | 9 September 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:09.320 Why on Sky News This is Sharry. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.559 Good Evening, Welcome to the show. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.960 Or on the program tonight, Labor accused of bullying the 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.880 IRBA in a fiery question time. New polling shows that 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.640 voters aren't buying Albanesi's excuses over the cost of living. 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.599 Also tonight, will the Prime Minister bother to read the 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.480 three thousand page Royal Commission report into veteran suicide? Well, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.640 he needs do because this is a blight on our nation. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.640 And pro Palestinian protesters target a Jewish school in Perth, 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.680 a disgraceful act that shows that these activists have lost 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.680 all morals and it comes as green counselors adopt her 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.159 must symbols and the A and U allows a student 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:54.320 qu endorsed the October seven terror attacks back to class plus. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.480 World renowned spiritual guru Deepak Chopra will join me live 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.560 on the show tonight to share his view on the 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.319 social unrest we're seeing, the rise in mental illness and 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.520 how to find happiness. That exclusive interview coming up a 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:14.959 bit later this hour. But first tonight, voters aren't buying 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.480 Labour's attempt to blame the RBA for the cost of living. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:19.080 Crisis. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.200 Former Treasurer Wayne Swan seems to be suffering from relevant 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:28.440 deprivation syndrome. He can't handle seeing his former protege now 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.760 running the economy, and he obviously thinks Charmers isn't going 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.000 tough enough on the RBA, because Wayne Swan came out 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.399 swinging against the independent Central Bank on Friday. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.440 Well, the government is. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.479 Doing a lot to bring down inflation, but the Reserve 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.640 Bank is simply punching itself in the face. It's counterproductive 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.360 and it's not good to economic policy, and I'm incredibly 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:53.680 disappointed at what they're doing. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.600 Well, the Treasurer responded and sought to distance himself from 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.400 Swan just yesterday, and remember Swan is his close friend 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:03.600 and old boss. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.840 Wayne went much further than I have. I'm making a 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.840 factual point borne out by the National Accounts. I don't 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.000 second guess the Reserve Bank. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.440 Well, the Coalition turned the heat on the government today 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.640 over the anemic state of the economy. They accused Charmers 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.880 of bullying the RBA and also took aim at the 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:26.600 Prime Minister. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.400 Why won't the Prime Minister admit his government has been 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.840 a disaster. As more Australian families are working harder and longer, 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:36.240 but still going backwards. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.160 Last week, the Treasurer accused the RBA of smashing the economy. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.200 Then Labour's national president and the Treasurer's mentor, Wayne Swan, said, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.160 the RBA is quote punching itself in the face. Treasurer, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.720 Why does the alb and easy Labor government thinks it's 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:57.480 acceptable to bully the independent RBA in this way when 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:02.080 all they're doing is cleaning up Labour's economic mess. Why 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.639 is the government fighting the Reserve Bank of Australia while 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.440 Australian families go backwards? 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.639 Why is the government fighting the Reserve Bank and leaving 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.280 Australian families going backwards. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:18.440 With Well, the picture is building of Labor trying to 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.840 turn the RBA into the villain, and this after the 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.800 Prime Minister also tried to turn supermarket giants into a 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.320 target for public anger over the cost of living crisis. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.919 But Wayne Swan is simply not believable. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.680 He's a failed treasurer obsessed with class warfare. This was 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.320 the man who announced four years of surpluses but never 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.000 delivered a single one. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.560 The four years of surpluses I announced tonight are a 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:53.160 powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.520 our people, and the success of our policies. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.680 The RBA governor has easily deflected criticism that the central 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.920 Bank is to blame for the weak economy. She says 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.480 that the top priority is to bring inflation down and 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.720 that talk of rate cuts are premature. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.200 The federal government and the treasurers in a number of 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.360 times that he's doing his bit to try and bring 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.600 down inflation. My job is to focus on what I 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.320 can do, which is only the interest rate. If inflation 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.560 doesn't come down, then it might be that the best 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.720 medicine is in fact that we have to end up 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.480 putting more restriction into the economy. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.279 So not taking further rate hikes off the table. And 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.760 voters aren't buying the criticism of the RBA anyway. The 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.240 Herald's polling today showed that only twenty seven percent of 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.560 voters blame the central bank. And not only aren't the 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.680 public buying the argument, but they think the opposite. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.520 According to this Polster. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.000 Resolved director Jim Rey said that voters are much more 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.880 likely to hold the government responsible for inflation than the 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.599 Reserve Bank, and many actually think the IRBA is trying 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:15.039 to solve the issues caused in part by government. But 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.200 the Treasurer Jim Chalmers is right to say that the 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.839 economy is being smashed. As he says, this is a 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:27.200 statement of fact. If it weren't for the high migration levels, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.760 we'd likely be in a full blown recession right now. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.360 And we are in a per capita recession. We've had 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.719 six successive quarters of negative GDP per capita growth, So 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.799 Australians feel like they're in a recession. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.960 Their household budgets feel like this. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.880 It's a point the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor made in 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.400 question time today and he called it a household recession. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.919 Can the Treasurer confirmed that Australia has been in a 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.360 household recession for the past six orders and that this 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.280 is the longest straight run of falling per capita output 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:06.279 on record. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.560 Now, mister speaker, if we had taken the free advice 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.039 of those opposites, if we had taken their advice, the 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.400 economy would be in recession right now. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:16.840 Well. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.679 Jim Chalmers hit back again, claiming that the opposition wants 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.839 a recession for political reasons. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.080 Those opposite don't support cost of living health, and they 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.200 want higher interest rates. They want a recession for political reasons, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.480 and they're very disappointed when they didn't get one. Mister Speaker, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.600 if we had followed their advice, mister Speaker, or would 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.320 be in recession right now, and we're not. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 This side of the House is fighting inflation. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.680 Without ignoring the risks to growth, and fighting inflation while 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.440 recognizing the pressures that people are under, and we're getting 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.440 the balance right well. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.560 The best political writer in this country, Paul Kelly, asks 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.640 how far does the economy need to sink before a 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.680 circuit breaker kicks in. He says Labour seems trapped between 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.800 the politics and economics, with its declining trend in the 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.360 polls and fear of minority government, the risk is that 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.480 Labor will just offer a more of the same economic 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.000 agenda at next year's election, a second term like the first. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.160 He says, that would mean bigger, more interventionist government, a 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:26.960 costlier IR model, more red and green tape, no substantial 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.560 tax reform, full throttle on the renewables transition, and subsiding 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.920 wages in the care economy. He says that maybe enough 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.600 to get re elected, it won't deliver a new growth 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:43.480 model for Australia and Labour should be concerned about minority 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 government because the Herald's polling also showed the Coalition and 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.200 Labor neck and neck on a two party preferred basis. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.480 Labour's primary is at twenty eight percent while the Coalition's 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:59.240 primary at thirty seven percent, but momentum is clearly in 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:00.400 Peter Dutton's favor. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.040 The government is on. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.240 The ropes over national security and border security. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.200 It's let people in from a. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:12.520 Terrorist controlled war zone without proper security vetting, and now 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.560 Peter Dutton has shown that he's coming after the Prime 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.160 Minister over the cost of living, while with inflation still 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.960 persistent and the economy week Albanezi should be worried. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:29.160 Now. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.520 There's no greater service to our country and no greater 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.319 act of selflessness than fighting for our nation. The mothers, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.440 partners and children of soldiers breathe a deep sigh of 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.240 relief when they're loved ones make it home alife in 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.480 one piece, but in too many cases, in the months 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.319 and the years that follow, they go on to lose 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.640 their loved ones to suicide. This is a blight on 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.200 our nation, a deep shame on the defense and Veterans 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.599 Affairs departments and on all politicians. The report from the 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.199 Royal Commission into Veteran Suicide was finally handed down today 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:13.640 after three years, seven volumes and over three thousand pages. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.000 I hope the Prime Minister takes the time to read 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.840 every page. It is scathing of the Department of Veterans Affairs. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.319 It found that the Department is not in its current 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.880 form actually capable of delivering optimal wellbeing support to the 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.839 veteran community or addressing the risks of suicide. There are 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.520 one hundred and twenty two recommendations. They include setting up 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:43.400 a new body to help personnel transition to normal civilian life, 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.119 also a formal inquiry into military sexual violence in the ADF. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:53.080 Here was Commissioner Nick Cowdice today. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.280 Well, when there's been dozens of inquiries and hundreds of recommendations, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 I'd say that's a failure in leadership. What is clear 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.760 from some of the horrible stories that we've heard is 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.120 that many people simply turn the blind eye over many 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.960 years and felt it was too hard. We feel that 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.559 unless there is an entity with enough power and resources 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.920 to tackle the problems, they're simply going to persist. You 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.040 can't keep doing the same thing over and over again 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.160 and expect the result to come out different. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.240 There can be no greater urgency than this doing just 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.480 what's right by our young men and women who put 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.720 their life on the line for all of us. Well, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.840 this needs to be rectified by the Albanese government and urgently. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.160 I also just want to mention the veteran widows, the 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.080 Daily Telegraph newspaper editor Ben English and the now editor 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.960 of the Adelaide Advertiser Jemma Jones, for making this royal 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.760 commission happen. Media power is so important, and in this 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.760 case it forced the former government to announce a royal 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.040 commission that didn't want to know about all. Right, now 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.600 to discuss this, and while, let's bring in senior fellow 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.000 at the Mensies Research Center, Nick Cata and Sky News' 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.240 host Joe Hildebrand. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.040 Welcome, Sarry. How are you Joe? 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.680 What do you think? This was a media campaign? The 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.000 former government didn't want to hold a role commission. They 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.920 said over and over and over again. We now have 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.800 this scathing report. What does the government need to do here? 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.679 The government needs to do absolutely everything the report says, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.480 and that includes obviously a special sort of purpose built, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:36.040 if you like, agency or department to help veterans transition 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.480 from the armed forces into the community. It's a terrible 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.320 comparison to make, but it's a bit like, you know, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.640 almost the transition. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:44.320 From prison into that outside. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.720 Once you've been in an environment which is highly institutionalized, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.360 highly regulated, where everything is controlled, you are doing extraordinary 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.920 things that most of us could never even dream of doing, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.599 including potentially sacrificing your life for the nation. But that 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:03.520 makes just everyday normal oring civilian suburban life almost you know, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.640 incomprehensible to some of them. There's also I remember reading 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.839 years ago. I'm sure it's in the report as well. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.880 But you know, we are an Australian serviceman and woman 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.400 is more likely to lose their life at the hands 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.320 of their own weapon, or rather more likely to die 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:23.240 from suicide than from an enemy bullet than from overseas combat. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.440 It's phenomenal. And again this is not necessarily a product 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.200 of even seeing conflict or all. Necessarily. This happens when 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.640 they're in training. So you have to have you have 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.680 to have that awareness of the risk being there, and 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.240 you have to have what they talk about in crisis 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.880 management work I do with vineys and stuff that wrap 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.080 around care, not just not just a Department of Veterans Affairs. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.480 It just sort of cuts the checks and post them out. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.560 Well, Nick, you know, I think it came out in 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.600 the report that it's not so much PTSD, but it's 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.880 the environmental fact as it's bullying in the Defense Department 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:57.920 certainly part of it. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.000 The report goes into that in some detail factors as well, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.480 many of which have been around for ever since we 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.560 had soldiers. I think, you know, I had a distant 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.160 relative who came home deeply traumatized from the First World 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.240 War and ended up getting it turning it out. But 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.000 we all know those stories. But clearly this report, its 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.679 main recommendations one hundred and twenty two are aimed at 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.560 the Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs and the government. But 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.920 what struck me in Nick Callis's report of the seven paragraphs, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.600 which is aimed at us as a general public. What 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.240 the general public should do. And I think we all 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.360 have a responsibility to honor our servicemen whenever we can 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.360 thank them for their service, keep an eye on them, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.160 reach out to them. And I think if I unfashionable 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.200 as Scott Morrison might be. He did a very I 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.960 thought a very important thing when he was Prime Minister, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:51.200 and that was enrolled the welcomed the country ritual into 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.320 we always said, and any serviceman here, thank you for 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.640 your service. I think we should do that more. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:57.680 Is more regularly. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:58.839 I agree with that. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.080 Because so many of the stories in here people are 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.040 coming back feeling that they felt they weren't valued, Nobody cared, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.439 nobody listened, nobody respected what they'd done. I want to 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.360 say here and now that I respect every serviceman who's 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.480 served our country. We all be and we have to 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.080 say this loudly and often, I think, and. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.520 More often they're subject to attacks in the media than gratitude, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.840 and we've seen that a lot in the past few 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:27.480 years now. Australian billionaire James Packer gave an emotional and 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.040 very revealing interview last night and he spoke very courageously 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.840 about his own private battles. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:34.480 Have a look. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.760 I think my downs coincided with either being on the 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:46.880 wrong medication or having too much stress at work. And 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.960 when I say too much stress at work, that's code 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.640 for too much debt and problems with the business. I 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.560 was put on lithium in twenty twenty two, and within 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.280 two weeks was a zombie. I was a complete zombie. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.640 He was very vulnerable. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.800 He shared his pain, and he didn't only speak about 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.000 mental health struggles, but also a battle with sugar. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.560 You know, the zembic thing that's happening at the moment 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.960 when we go which I'm on it and I'm putting 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.680 on what so you're still still Yeah, So I'm eating 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:23.320 a lot of sugar. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.920 I'm mating. I'm consuming a lot of sugar. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.640 Because you don't drink, do you You're not I'm not 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.240 drinking drinking, I'm not drinking. No, So where do you get? 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:31.720 How do you get? 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.720 All the sugar? Is just truckloads of sugar? Truckloads of sugar. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.040 Are you're not interviewing someone who's saying to you, I've 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.880 got it worked out and I've got all the answers. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.000 My work in progress, my work in progress, Joe. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.520 You know, I think this was so brave of him 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.440 to be that vulnerable publicly for millions and millions of 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:54.120 people to see. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:54.640 Yeah. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.160 Really really resonated me. It's been haunting me ever since 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.880 last night. I'm bipoul myself not to the extent that 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.760 James Packery is. I also know people have been on 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.960 lithium and he's absolutely right. It completely zonks you out, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.040 and the cure is worse than the disease. I met 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.120 James Packerd just once and I was stunned by how 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.520 incredibly gracious and honest he was. And so this doesn't 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.560 surprise me at all. But for someone who I suppose 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.440 is in a business which relies on kind of you know, power, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.600 a certain amount of fear or respect for you, this 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.760 is a towering human being who is basically just completely 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.560 pulled down the facade and said, no, I'm a broken bloke, rebuilt, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.320 need to rebuild from the ground up. And I thought, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:34.880 good on him. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.480 I agree with you that element of his personality, and 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.640 I don't know him personally, but that graciousness came through 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.200 and he didn't want to say a bad word about anyone, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.400 and that really came through it in the interview. But Nick, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.960 you know, they spoke Rubbie Williams and James Packer spoke 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.800 about the genetic element of mental illness. But you also 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.400 got the sense that seeing as he first had his 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.640 mental health crisis when there was a business deal in 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.560 collab that a lot of this might be environmental, and 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:03.320 you think. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.720 Gosh, life just might be easier. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.280 Not being a billionaire with all these pressures on you. You know, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.840 the simple life would probably be easier on one's mental 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.359 health and probably you know lead right. 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.240 Sorry, But I think any of us who've known people 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.920 with mental illness or people who just get depressed from 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.720 time to time, you know that if your mental health 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.560 isn't very strong, then you don't cope with whatever problems 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.800 come along. You know, problems that if you were a 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.760 little bit stronger in your mind, would just you just 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.560 be able to deal with become mountains in front of you. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.040 But I agree, I think this is. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.000 A true mentously courageous interview, and he's right. I think 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.680 we don't. The medication is still very rough and ready 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:47.560 for most mental diseases, whether it be you know, schizophrenia 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.679 or whatever it is. And I think I've come to 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.400 the conclusion over the years, knowing people like James who 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.080 struck how my mental illness, that the worst kind of 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.960 disability is the disability of the mind. You know, physical 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.800 disability is bad enough, but if you've got a disability 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.720 of mind, it just it just handicaps everything you do. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.520 It just stops everything you do and stops you having 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.840 a fulfilling life. Though, Yeah, I mean, good on him 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.320 and you know that, hope. He encourages other people to 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.760 seek treatment and it encourages more research into this vital area. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.000 Yeah, one hundred percent. Just again, so brave of him 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.800 to do that. And he mentioned a couple of times 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.000 a few times in that interview that he was embarrassed 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.080 to give an answer. So hard to sit there and 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.440 open your private life up like that. Now let's turn 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.880 to the Australian National University. This was just a shocking move. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.960 It appears to have backflipped on its decision to expel 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.640 a student, Beatrice Tucker, who endorsed Hermas. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.840 This was the student on the ABC earlier this year. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.760 But surely if you're going to protest against that, you've 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.840 also got to send him mishies to Hamas to release 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:55.920 the hostages, don't you. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:01.720 Well, I actually say that Hermas deserve our unconditional support, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.760 not because they agree with their strategy. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.760 Can't You can't condemn what har Mass did in October. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.399 Now we'll not condemn what Hamas did. We must be unconditional, 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:10.679 but we must be critical. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:15.960 Also, so A and you initially expelled her from A 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.119 and U, but then The Herald reported today that Tucker 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.199 posted on social media celebrating the fact that she was 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.159 now allowed back on campus, and the university has refused 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.520 to comment on the case. Joe, this sends the worst 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.040 possible message, doesn't it. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.960 Look at Dard's But again, I think the expulsion or 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.640 non expulsion is almost secondary to me. The most important 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.280 thing is that this, this link has been exposed, and 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.920 that it you know, the far left is openly siding 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:50.520 with a terrorist, a prescribed, non ambiguous, prescribed terrorist organization, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.480 and refusing to condemn them, even when they're being led 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.560 by the chain by the ABC host saying surely you're 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.920 not that crazy to actually support these guys, And even 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.040 then they just can't do it. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.400 And you see it again and again. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.680 There's more examples that will come to light, I'm sure, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.560 But again, sunlight for the best, Joe, you need to 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:11.560 expose these people. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.840 I agree, we need to expose them, but then you 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.879 also need to deal with them because the issue is 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:20.640 that this becomes normalized, and if university chancellors, if the police, 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.080 if everyone's turning a blind eye to this, then it 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:24.800 just becomes normalized and. 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.600 It's such a deep issue for us. Look, I just. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.720 Want to end with a story by my colleague and 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.080 friendly and Mendes, who managed to track former nine News 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.160 boss Darren Wick down and put a lot of questions 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:43.719 to him over the explosive sexual harassment allegations that rocked 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.640 Channel nine after his departure. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.240 Here was Liam confronting Darren Wick. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.160 What have you got to say to the women who've 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:56.800 made allegations against you? Why haven't you spoken publicly about 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:04.080 these allegations, mister Wick? These are serious allegations of groping, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.560 sexual harassment, and manipulation. You don't have anything to say 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:12.240 at all. Why weren't you upfront about why you left nine? 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:14.240 Nick? 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:14.359 Now? 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.359 I think people watching this might think, oh, you know, 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.960 the poor guy, but not the poor guy. He was 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.199 the head of Channel nine that did doorstops like this 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.600 all of the time. He hasn't fronted up. There are 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:30.280 dozens of women who have made complaints about inappropriate behavior 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.359 or sexual harassment or a toxic workplace under him. He 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.560 should be answering questions. This is what he would have 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.920 been ordering journalists to do under his watch. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.600 I know, it's lovely delicious, isn't it. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.679 They throw the current affairs treatment back at him, which credit. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.280 Actually he handled it like you should in those situations, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.320 absolutely stony face, don't register, don't do anything. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:50.879 Certainly don't touch the camera. 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.160 But you know, unlike Peter Costello, because when Lea went 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:56.879 after him, he did touch the camera. 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:01.200 But it was even contrast a terrific exercised by Liam. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.240 I loved it. I think everybody loved the iron of it. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:07.840 But let's hope Channel nine deals with this properly and 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.240 quickly and just gets this, puts this whole thing to bed. 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:16.040 And if he's responsible for underworld behavior, let's see he's bought. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:17.840 You know that he's brought to account for that. 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.919