WEBVTT - RFK Jr’s anti-vaccine obsession

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Robert F.

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a Robert F.

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<v Speaker 4>Kennedy Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Who said, swear to solid waste, bear that I will

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<v Speaker 1>support an event that I will support and defend constitution.

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<v Speaker 5>When Robert F.

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<v Speaker 6>Kennedy Junior was sworn in as Health and Human Services Secretary,

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<v Speaker 6>it made official one of President Trump's most controversial appointments.

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<v Speaker 6>His confirmation came off the back of a fiery questioning

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<v Speaker 6>from Democrats and Republicans alike that RFK Junior's record on vaccines.

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<v Speaker 7>Kennedy, you have spent years pushing conflicting stories about vaccines.

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<v Speaker 5>And under oath, RFK denied he was against them.

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<v Speaker 8>We need to move.

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<v Speaker 1>I support the measles vaccine. I support the polly of vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>I will do nothing as AHH as secretary that makes

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<v Speaker 1>them difficult or discourages people from taking any Anybody who.

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<v Speaker 6>But watching the hearings close was investigative journalist Brian Dear.

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<v Speaker 3>People sometimes debate as to whether mister Kennedy is a

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<v Speaker 3>vaccine skeptic.

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<v Speaker 6>For more than two decades, Brian Deer has been investigating

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<v Speaker 6>the anti vaccine movement and tracking RFK Junior's involvement in it.

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<v Speaker 3>He is an out now anti vaccine campaigner and has

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<v Speaker 3>been for twenty years, and he is the most prominent

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<v Speaker 3>anti vaccine campaigner in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 5>From Schwartz Media, I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven.

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<v Speaker 6>AM Today journalist Brian Dear on Robert F. Kennedy Junior's

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<v Speaker 6>real beliefs and the impact his campaigning had on a

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<v Speaker 6>deadly measles outbreak in the Pacific. It's Thursday, February twenty so, Brian,

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<v Speaker 6>for many of us, the first time that we heard

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<v Speaker 6>of RFK was his failed presidential run, and then of

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<v Speaker 6>course last year he was chosen as Trump's pick for

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<v Speaker 6>Health secretary. But you have been reporting on the anti

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<v Speaker 6>vaccine movement for more than two decades. So when did

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<v Speaker 6>you first become aware of him?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I first got wise to him twenty years ago

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<v Speaker 3>this July coming up, when he suddenly popped up in

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<v Speaker 3>American magazines trying to demonstrate the link between vaccines and autism.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's been at it now for twenty years. Solid

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a particularly good campaigner, but he's got that

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<v Speaker 3>magical name Kennedy, which plays so well in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>With his help, many causes have been brought to the

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<v Speaker 3>forefront of public awens, and his family's connections mean he

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<v Speaker 3>has access to the highest levels of US government. So,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Kennedy, he's a product liability lawyer. What he tries

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<v Speaker 3>to do is to get lawsuits going.

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<v Speaker 9>Kennedy made millions of dollars, so if it was from

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<v Speaker 9>his own law firm, he made about nine million dollars there.

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<v Speaker 9>He also made money off book publishing.

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<v Speaker 3>People would be attracted by the campaigner and then moved

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<v Speaker 3>over to the product liability lawsuits.

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<v Speaker 9>He gets these referral fees, sending essentially plaintiffs people families

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<v Speaker 9>to other law firms, and he refers them so that

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<v Speaker 9>they can sue on the grounds of say a vaccine lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what he does. He sues people because one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things about vaccine scares that people probably don't realize

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<v Speaker 3>is that they begin as lawsuits and they're very, very

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<v Speaker 3>lucrative for the lawyers who drive them.

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<v Speaker 6>So he's experienced it campaigning against vaccines, and in twenty

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen that took him and you to the Pacific island

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<v Speaker 6>of Samoa. Can you tell me what the situation was

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<v Speaker 6>like there when you arrived.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I arrived in December twenty nineteen in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of an outbreak of measles which was absolutely appalling in

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<v Speaker 3>its extent. Eighty three people died, overwhelmingly children. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>on the day I arrived, the tally was forty eight

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<v Speaker 3>children dead. That was children aged four or under, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was raging through the island and stopped.

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<v Speaker 4>The streets of Samoa eerily quiet as the country deals

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<v Speaker 4>with the fall out of an outbreak of measles that

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<v Speaker 4>has claimed the lives of dozens.

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<v Speaker 3>Arriving at the airport, there were emergency supplies being brought.

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<v Speaker 3>In ventilators because you need special small sized ventilators for children,

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<v Speaker 3>were being hauled in from different parts of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and I set off talking to mothers who'd lost their children,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was a really, really, quite a striking experience,

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you. I remember it was in the

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<v Speaker 3>wet season and there was rain just hammering on the

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<v Speaker 3>roof in open fronted housing, and the mother took me

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<v Speaker 3>through how she had been finally told that her daughter

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<v Speaker 3>had died. She was under two years old. The body

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<v Speaker 3>was presented to her in a blanket and they took

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<v Speaker 3>her home in the back of the car. And dug

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<v Speaker 3>a hole by the kitchen door and buried her there

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<v Speaker 3>and put concrete over. And it was almost Christmas and

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<v Speaker 3>they put fairy lights up. One mother she lost three

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<v Speaker 3>children to me, three children. Even there, it comes back

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<v Speaker 3>to me like these years later, I mean to experience

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<v Speaker 3>that where they were holding group funerals, they were ordering

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<v Speaker 3>special small sized coffins, and they were having funerals going on,

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<v Speaker 3>big traditional funerals going on every day of the week

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<v Speaker 3>during that period.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, that must have been very confronting.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you explain a bit about the community there was

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<v Speaker 6>so vulnerable to this outbreak and how rfk JR was connected.

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<v Speaker 3>What had happened was the year before, two nurses on

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<v Speaker 3>one of the islands, in a remote hospital had wrongly

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<v Speaker 3>mixed a muscle relaxed and into the measles much robella

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<v Speaker 3>MMR vaccine. It was a terrible mistake and within a

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<v Speaker 3>matter of hours they killed two children by accident. As

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<v Speaker 3>a result of the incident with the nurses, vaccination rates

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<v Speaker 3>had fallen to a very low level. So you had

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<v Speaker 3>a very very vulnerable community, and so anti vaccine campaigners

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<v Speaker 3>kind of turned up, almost like tornado chasers. They kind

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<v Speaker 3>of wanted to be in on the action.

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<v Speaker 2>Communication minister, who's also the government spokesman of a massaga

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<v Speaker 2>Rico two Pints, says that the work of anti vaxxes

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<v Speaker 2>is hampering their efforts to have everyone immunized.

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<v Speaker 3>Conspiracy theorists online were trying to suggest there was something

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<v Speaker 3>wrong with MMR and we're campaigning.

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<v Speaker 8>Unfortunately this anti vax people all leave overseas, but they're

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<v Speaker 8>using social media.

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<v Speaker 5>To influence the community and influence our population us.

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<v Speaker 8>What can government do?

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<v Speaker 3>Then, mister Kennedy had turned up, so he turned up

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<v Speaker 3>in Somewhae.

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<v Speaker 5>He was actually there.

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<v Speaker 3>He actually turned up on the islands, Yeah, and met

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<v Speaker 3>with anti vaccine campaigners and was photographed with them.

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<v Speaker 4>One News has learned of a high level anti vax

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<v Speaker 4>meeting organized in Somemore in June, just before this deadly

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<v Speaker 4>measles outbreak. A US embassy staff member facilitated a meeting

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<v Speaker 4>between vaccination critic Robert Kennedy Junior and Australian anti vax

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<v Speaker 4>blogger Taylor Winterstein.

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<v Speaker 5>She'd been forced again.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's important to recognize that Somewhare is a small community.

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<v Speaker 3>There's two hundred thousand people. That's not a lot. So

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<v Speaker 3>when something appears on Facebook, an awful lot of people's

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<v Speaker 3>see it, and mister Kennedy appears on Facebook suggesting that

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<v Speaker 3>vaccines are an issue, and the Prime Minister he kind

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<v Speaker 3>of got drawn into it because he had a close

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<v Speaker 3>family member who had some kind of developmental issue, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think he'd been led to believe that it might

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<v Speaker 3>have been caused by a vaccine. So he would have

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<v Speaker 3>been very easy prey really for someone turning up from

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<v Speaker 3>the United States apparently authoritatively telling him, oh, yes, well,

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<v Speaker 3>that could be a vaccine side effect.

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<v Speaker 10>A prominent American anti vax activist would later tell us

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<v Speaker 10>someone a newspaper that he had the prime minister's air

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<v Speaker 10>on the issue and that the island nation's leader had

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<v Speaker 10>privately shared his doubts about the safety of immunizing the public.

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<v Speaker 10>That activist quote unquote, yes, that's Robert F.

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<v Speaker 8>Kennedy Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>He was trying to muscle his way into the thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and so mister Kennedy's appearance there was a news event,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that helped fuel the problem that they all

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<v Speaker 3>already had.

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<v Speaker 5>After the break.

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<v Speaker 6>What RFK Junior says about his role in the outbreak

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<v Speaker 6>and how he stands to profit from making America healthy again. Brian,

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<v Speaker 6>we're talking about rfk's anti vaccine campaigning in Samoa in

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<v Speaker 6>twenty nineteen, which contributed to low rates of vaccination in

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<v Speaker 6>the country and eighty three people, most of them babies, died.

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<v Speaker 6>RFK was meeting with the Prime Minister of Samoa to

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<v Speaker 6>tell him that vaccines had caused the outbreak. So tell

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<v Speaker 6>me where this outbreak actually originated.

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<v Speaker 3>What we know is that the virus came from New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 3>Auckland that year was going through the biggest outbreak of

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<v Speaker 3>measles that it had in decades, and it was particularly

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<v Speaker 3>concentrated on the south side of Auckland, which has as

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<v Speaker 3>a substantial Marian Pacific Islander community, where vaccination rates had

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<v Speaker 3>fallen to very low levels. And goes back to the

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<v Speaker 3>appearance in Australia and New Zealand in twenty seventeen of

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<v Speaker 3>anti vaccine campaigners trying to promote a film by a

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<v Speaker 3>disgraced British doctor named Andrew Wakefield.

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<v Speaker 8>The film alleges a cover up of the claimed link

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<v Speaker 8>between them vaccine and autism. Both the link and the

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<v Speaker 8>film have been widely discredited, of course, but the film

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<v Speaker 8>was playing.

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<v Speaker 3>In they went to Australia and they went to New

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<v Speaker 3>Zealand with this film advertising these false allegations.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what those attending a screening of vexed in the

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<v Speaker 4>Northland town of Mangitoto.

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<v Speaker 5>Last night had to say to our reporter Zach Fleming.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen any good science indicating that vaccines are

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<v Speaker 1>actually beneficial.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is a connection for the virus to come

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<v Speaker 3>through from Auckland to the Islands, where it ultimately then

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<v Speaker 3>erupted in a vulnerable community.

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<v Speaker 6>And so Brennan the lead up to being confirmed RFK,

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<v Speaker 6>he was actually grilded a Senate hearing in the US

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<v Speaker 6>and he was asked about his role in the measles outbreak.

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<v Speaker 7>Mister Kennedy, you have spent years pushing conflicting stories about vaccines.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you tell me about that? And what he said?

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<v Speaker 7>So my question here is, mister Kennedy, is mevils deadly?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes or no?

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot find a single Samoan Weill say, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a vaccident because of Bobby Kennedy. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>He just shrugged it off and rejected it, saying that

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<v Speaker 3>nobody knew of what was killing the chill children.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty three people died when the titious samples were sent

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<v Speaker 1>to New Zealand. Most of those people did not have measles.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what was going on, And I.

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<v Speaker 3>Thought that was a very strange thing to say, because

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<v Speaker 3>not only had there been samples taken and tested, so

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<v Speaker 3>they had that information. But when the government had a

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<v Speaker 3>two day lockdown where everybody was told to stay home

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<v Speaker 3>and vaccination teams cruised around the islands offering shots to people.

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<v Speaker 3>When that had all happened, the outbreak went away and

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<v Speaker 3>the children stopped dying. So how mister Kennedy came to

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<v Speaker 3>the conclusion that nobody knew what the cause was I

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<v Speaker 3>think was a very extraordinary. But then he is a

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<v Speaker 3>great one for saying things that don't check out, And.

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<v Speaker 6>So vaccines aside, what do we know about rfk's agenda

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<v Speaker 6>to make America healthy again?

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<v Speaker 5>What can we expect?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, mister Kennedy is talking now about making America healthy

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<v Speaker 3>again without often revealing that he's actually taken out a

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<v Speaker 3>registration on that expression, and I think he made an

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<v Speaker 3>enormous sum of money selling it to the anti vaccine campaigners.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump is committed to restoring the American Dream, and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven nine Americans delivered a mand aid to him

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<v Speaker 1>to do just that. It in part to the embrace

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<v Speaker 1>and elevation of the Make America Health and movement.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's talking about diabetes, starting wellness farms, getting everybody

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<v Speaker 3>to lose weight. But behind that is this anti vaccine agenda,

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<v Speaker 3>which he is not going to give up on, and

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<v Speaker 3>he will have a very great deal of power to

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<v Speaker 3>intervene in that area, deciding which vaccine should move from

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<v Speaker 3>the recommended list to the essential list if you like that.

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<v Speaker 3>He can intervene in court cases, he can intervene in

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<v Speaker 3>theory committees that make vaccine policy, because he actually appoints

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<v Speaker 3>most of the members of them, and he's already had

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<v Speaker 3>his recommendations taken up in some of the appointments that

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<v Speaker 3>have been made to head the federal agencies such as

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<v Speaker 3>National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control

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<v Speaker 3>and Prevention and such like. So he's going to have

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<v Speaker 3>a great deal of power, and the credibility that he

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<v Speaker 3>will give to avoiding vaccination for reasons that have not

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<v Speaker 3>been established as valid will lead to a rise in

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<v Speaker 3>susceptibility to vaccine, preventable illnesses, outbreaks of disease, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult to row these things back.

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<v Speaker 5>Brian, thank you so much for talking to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Pleasure.

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<v Speaker 6>Also in the news today, billionaire Clive Palmer has vowed

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<v Speaker 6>to spend quote whatever is required on his new political

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<v Speaker 6>party Trumpet of Patriots. At yesterday's launch, Palmer said the

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<v Speaker 6>party's aim is to make Australia great again by directly

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<v Speaker 6>importing Trump's policies into Australia. The party will be led

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<v Speaker 6>by New South Wales Hunter candidate Sewellen Wrightzen and Wylla

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<v Speaker 6>Steelworks has been forced into administration. The decision was made

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<v Speaker 6>by South Australian Premier Peter Melanowskis after an emergency meeting

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<v Speaker 6>yesterday morning. The Premier said they no longer had confidence

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<v Speaker 6>in Wyala's owner, GfG Group's ability to secure the funding

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<v Speaker 6>needed for the steelworks to continue operating.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am. See tomorrow