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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christanamio.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, December ninth, twenty twenty five. Speculation over Barnaby

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Speaker 1: Joyce's political future is over, with the former Deputy PM

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Speaker 1: announcing he's officially joined Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party. Joyce

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Speaker 1: with the Nationals earlier this year, ending his two decade

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Speaker 1: tenure with the party, Although he'll continue serving as the

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Speaker 1: Member for New England in this term. He says he'll

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Speaker 1: contest the next federal election as a One Nation Senate

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Speaker 1: candidate in New South Wales. That story is live right

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Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot au. After phenomenal

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Speaker 1: success in reducing HIV transmissions, the former AIDS Council of

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Speaker 1: New South Wales ACORN, pivoted to become a hugely influential

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Speaker 1: lobby group with a new focus trans rite today the

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Speaker 1: deep concerns of lesbian and LGBT groups about how ACON

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Speaker 1: wields its power.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the plot of a science fiction horror movie.

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Speaker 2: A weird mutant virus deadlier than the plague, suddenly appears

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Speaker 2: on Earth. People start dying first by the score than

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Speaker 2: by the hundreds.

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Speaker 1: This is a nineteen eighty three segment of Channel nine's

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Speaker 1: long running current affairs program Sixty Minutes. It's reporting, of course,

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Speaker 1: on the AIDS epidemic, which reached Australian shores in the

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Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: Doctors are baffled. All the resources of modern science can't

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Speaker 2: help them find the cause. Let learn the cure of

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Speaker 2: the epidemic. The public begins to panic. It sounds like

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Speaker 2: science fiction, but it's not. The name of this new

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Speaker 2: plague is AIDS aideas, and it's now begun to appear

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Speaker 2: in Australia.

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Speaker 1: By its peak in nineteen ninety four, more than five

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Speaker 1: thousand people, mostly members of the gay community, are estimated

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Speaker 1: to have died from complications relating to the virus. The

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Speaker 1: AIDS Council of New South Wales was founded in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five to support men and their loved ones through

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Speaker 1: the crisis, but Australia's world class response and advancements in

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Speaker 1: medical treatments means AIDS is no longer a death sentence,

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Speaker 1: nor is it considered a public health issue in Australia,

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Speaker 1: and that means the AIDS Council of New South Wales

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Speaker 1: had to pivot.

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Speaker 3: They did great work, they saved a lot of lives,

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Speaker 3: but as medications started to improve the life expectancy decrease

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Speaker 3: the death rate from AIDS, the New South Wales Aids

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Speaker 3: Council completely lost is mission.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is The Australian's New South Wales editor.

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Speaker 3: And then when marriage equality came in, they lost even

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Speaker 3: more of their mission and so they pivoted very strongly

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Speaker 3: to focus on trans rights. And again some of their

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Speaker 3: work is very laudable. They're going to workplaces and they

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Speaker 3: try to make sure that trans people aren't bullied, that

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Speaker 3: they're treated with the same respect that every other employee is.

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Speaker 3: But then there comes a problem because the other part

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Speaker 3: of the organization is really pushing a very extreme kind

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Speaker 1: This appears to have been by design.

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Speaker 3: So a few years ago, when AKON was starting to

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Speaker 3: lose its core purpose, some of its leaders got together

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Speaker 3: and they came up with a master plan. Essentially, they

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Speaker 3: poured a lot of money into it, they did a

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Speaker 3: to pivot, first of all, to really push this trans

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Speaker 3: ideology so that trans women would be allowed to take

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Speaker 3: of women's organization. So that was the, if you like,

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Speaker 3: the ultimate mission. But the way to get there was

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Speaker 3: to invent this thing called the Australian Workplace Equality Index.

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Speaker 1: AKON runs a number of programs and services aimed at

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Speaker 1: people in the LGBTQI plus community, including counseling, sexual health

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Speaker 1: provides inclusivity training for organizations across Australia and ranks hundreds

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Speaker 1: of government agencies and private companies according to how well

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Speaker 1: they comply with acon's policies regarding transgender employees. Under the

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Speaker 1: framework known as the Australian Workplace Equality Index. Points are

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Speaker 1: awarded to companies who run awareness campaigns, make gender neutral

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Speaker 1: bathrooms available, and provide leave to trans employees receiving what's

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Speaker 1: now known as gender affirming healthcare, and every year they

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Speaker 1: major banks, law firms, universities and law enforcement agencies are recognized.

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Speaker 1: For their efforts. The inner workings of the index are

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Speaker 1: highly protected. ACON says making the details of its extensive

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Speaker 3: The thought behind protecting vulnerable trans people is good, but

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Speaker 3: really the idea is not just to make life better

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Speaker 3: allowed to talk about trans issues. And that's where the

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Speaker 1: ACON counts the ABC among its member organizations. The National

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Speaker 1: Broadcaster has achieved platinum status in acon's Workplace Equality Index.

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Speaker 3: The ABC was a real prize for ACON. Not many

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Speaker 3: of these other organizations have the power that the ABC

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Speaker 3: as in all these organizations, ACON sets up a unit

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Speaker 3: unit that enforces its requirements. The problem is that they're

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Speaker 3: not just being inclusive in the workplace. And the problem

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Speaker 3: isn't just that they're treating trans people in a fair

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Speaker 3: It's that they are not allowing any kind of contrary

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Speaker 3: information to be broadcast. They're not covering some of the

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Speaker 3: journalists at the ABC are telling me that the reason

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Speaker 3: for that is that if they did report those things,

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Speaker 3: it would be seen as non inclusive, it would be

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Speaker 3: this is a real problem not just at the ABC,

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Speaker 3: being called transphobic. They can legitimately fear losing their jobs

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Speaker 3: by saying something like that in the workplace, can losing friends.

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Speaker 3: These emotions run very high on this topic, as we know,

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Speaker 3: and the influence of an organization like Acon, which is

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Speaker 3: now working in hundreds of you know, has been invited

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Speaker 3: in to hundreds of businesses, dozens of public institutions, universities,

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Speaker 1: When it comes to healthcare, ACON supports the argument that

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Speaker 1: all trans people should have access to gender affirming medical care,

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Speaker 1: including surgical interventions and puberty blockers for children. Through its evolution,

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Speaker 1: it's become deeply embedded in health departments across the country.

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Speaker 3: What you find again is that on a superficial level,

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Speaker 3: it's doing a lot more which can potentially be quite damaging.

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Speaker 3: And that's to take away the independence and the impartiality

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Speaker 1: And what do we know about how ACON is funded?

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Speaker 1: Where does it get its money from.

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Speaker 3: It charges each of these companies and government departments about

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Speaker 3: it also gets big grants from For example, the Federal

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Speaker 3: So? I have been able to get hold of some documents,

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Speaker 1: To coming up the LGBTQI plus communities concerns about ACON.

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Speaker 3: There are a large number now of gay and lesbian

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Speaker 3: A lot of these groups, like ACON were originally set

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Speaker 1: People representing those groups gay and lesbian groups say that

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Speaker 3: You know, you have the lesbian groups now that have

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Speaker 3: And lesbians are saying to me, look, once upon a time,

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Speaker 3: think they're trapped in the wrong body and they're having treatment,

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Speaker 3: medical treatment, sometimes surgery to fix it, to fix something

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Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is The Australian's new South Wales editor. You

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Speaker 1: can read all his reporting on this issue right now

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Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au