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Speaker 1: Controversy over the alleged deep fake video, David Spears claiming

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Speaker 1: it is that we don't know if he's been to

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Speaker 1: police yet. The Police Commissioner busy day yesterday couldn't shed

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Speaker 1: any light on it. When he was asked, he had

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Speaker 1: no indication if a report had been made at that point.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully one has. Mister Spears alleges claims it's a deep fake,

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Speaker 1: he didn't do any of what the video purports to show.

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Speaker 1: Mixed views on it this morning, a lot of support

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Speaker 1: within his electorate of Black where Jade spent the morning

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Speaker 1: chatting to people, and we heard some of those on

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Speaker 1: five double a Breakfast this morning that the people living

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Speaker 1: down there, fair to say, the majority of those that

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Speaker 1: she spoke to were fully behind mister Spears is their

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Speaker 1: local MP and his allegations that this is a deep

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Speaker 1: fake video. If it is, there's grave concerns for all

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Speaker 1: of us as to where AI is going and what

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Speaker 1: it can do. But it does raise a question. And

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Speaker 1: I had a chat this morning she was too flat

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Speaker 1: out to come on air, but Sarah Game, the one

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Speaker 1: Nation MP completely in favor of drug testing, our state

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Speaker 1: MPs and their staff. She says why shouldn't we? It's

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Speaker 1: all taxpayer money and you want the best people doing

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Speaker 1: the best job you can. Bill Hayes is from Integrity Sampling.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Bill, good morning. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: all this? Should should we be extending drug testing to

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Speaker 1: our state parliament?

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Speaker 2: Well, the simple answer is yes, it's a workplace. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So workplace like any other in the same rules.

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Speaker 1: Of why all right, So then drink testing as well.

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Speaker 1: That's hard when there's a bar.

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Speaker 2: In there, the members restaurant may drop a little bit

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Speaker 2: of income.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what what happens in workplaces? You do a

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Speaker 1: lot of this in workplaces, there'd be a lot of

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Speaker 1: rules and regulations regarding turning up to work under the influence.

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Speaker 1: So how's it done? What's the prices? Take us through it?

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Speaker 2: Well, basically, you have a policy outlining how you do

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Speaker 2: your dragon alcohol testing and what outcomes can be resultant

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Speaker 2: from the tests that are done. A simple test is

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Speaker 2: done on site for drugs and for alcohol, and if

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Speaker 2: you return a on site positive test, we call that

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Speaker 2: a presumptive or a non negative test result. Then we

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Speaker 2: take a secondary test which we sent off for laboratory

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Speaker 2: for confirmation testing. That's done in the laboratory using high

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Speaker 2: tech equipment, and we get an evidentiary certificate supplied as

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Speaker 2: to the outcome of the test. Then your policy kicks

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Speaker 2: in again. So confirm positive tests, then things will happen.

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Speaker 2: If it's not confirmed positive, then you're back to normal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how long's it take?

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Speaker 2: Our test take about seven minutes? Teach?

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Speaker 1: Oh really that quick? Ye? So you know immediately virtually

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Speaker 1: you get.

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Speaker 2: The presumptive test in a few minutes, checks.

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Speaker 1: And then you send that away.

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Speaker 2: If it's possibly it's positive, it's a non negative response,

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Speaker 2: we'll send it to a laboratory. All on side testing

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Speaker 2: is deemed to be presumptive, it must then be potified

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Speaker 2: by a confervatory test in the laboratory.

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Speaker 1: Is it the same sort of test that's done roadside?

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Speaker 1: Is that what police do?

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Speaker 2: Similar? But the testing regime is different from what we do.

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Speaker 2: We use different equipment and we test for more drugs.

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Speaker 2: We test frop the seven drugs. I think currently they're

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Speaker 2: testing for three months on the road.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference? Which are the three more? What are

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Speaker 1: they test for?

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Speaker 2: What do you test for? Well, we're testing for and methane, fedamine, opiate, cocaine, marijuana,

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Speaker 2: oxycodon and vendeza plane they test for I think THC marijuana,

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Speaker 2: uh mesa, fernamine, and I think they're now talking about

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Speaker 2: opiate testing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so workplace would include cocaine. That's interesting. That's I

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Speaker 1: suppose it's always been around, hasn't. Is it any more

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Speaker 1: or less popular.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly more popular than ever before. We get more

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Speaker 2: cocaine positives concerned than ever before, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: probably because the Colombians are finding new markets west of

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Speaker 2: the American continent, and we are a very large or continent.

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Speaker 2: We've got very large borders which we can't really protect

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Speaker 2: that well, and we have good disposal income and Australians

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Speaker 2: like to get to have a good time or a

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Speaker 2: good a good a good target market.

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Speaker 1: Okay, testing Polly's forward, I suppose, unlike any other workplace,

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Speaker 1: there there's no one there to fire them, accept the voters,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's how it is. There's no one that says, okay,

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Speaker 1: you've been found guilty of this. I suppose the Parliament

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Speaker 1: could vote to expel someone. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: rules around that are, frankly because it has never happened,

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Speaker 1: but it'd be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with you, but it's not impossible.

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Speaker 2: Because it is a workplace, the rules apply. Therefore there's

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Speaker 2: someone who is responsible, whether it be the Speaker of

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Speaker 2: the House or the party whip of the party that

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Speaker 2: the person belongs to, who knows, but there will be

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Speaker 2: someone responsible because if you think about the Industrial Manslaughter Act,

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Speaker 2: which they have now enacted as of the first of July,

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Speaker 2: if someone in the Parliament, a member or a staff

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Speaker 2: member where to die and or we be killed in

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Speaker 2: an accident but in the workplace, then someone in the

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Speaker 2: Parliament I'm not sure who, but who was in charge

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Speaker 2: should phase twenty years in prison and eighteen million dollars. Fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if cocaine and other drugs are becoming more popular,

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Speaker 1: as you say, people like to have a good time,

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Speaker 1: but you can do that in other ways, I would argue,

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Speaker 1: But anyway is workplace drug testing also becoming more common?

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Speaker 2: Well? Absolutely, And now that more and more people in

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Speaker 2: the industry are realizing the risks not only to the

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Speaker 2: work is but to themselves with the with the Industrial

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Speaker 2: manslaugh legislation, they're now starting to switch on to it

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Speaker 2: a bit more. Whereas before they may have a been

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Speaker 2: a bit shy, a bit reluctant, and now realizing that

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Speaker 2: if they don't, if they have a major event that

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Speaker 2: can be traced to drugs or alcohol, someone is in

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Speaker 2: a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Bill, all right, so now I suppose what you

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Speaker 1: could write to the speaker and so they should instigate

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Speaker 1: this if you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Had a drug and check conversation with a Member of

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Speaker 2: Parliament some years ago where I suggested that we come

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Speaker 2: in and do some drug and alcohol testing and the

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Speaker 2: silence was definitely I bet it was.

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Speaker 1: You could set up outside that dining room, I reckon

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Speaker 1: and just see the business drop off immediately.

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Speaker 2: But it's important to quite apart from the workplace safety rules,

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Speaker 2: given the nature of the job of a politician and

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Speaker 2: the decisions I have to make. You would really like

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Speaker 2: to think they're doing a clear head.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you do.

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Speaker 2: So. There's a number of tashts in looking at it.

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Speaker 2: Why they should be clear headed and why they should

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Speaker 2: be tested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with you, Bill, appreciate your insights today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Bill Hayes. The Integrity sampling on his suggestion

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Speaker 1: introducing drug and drink tests for our state to MPs

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting one. I'm in the workplace, not that

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Speaker 1: I want to make excuses for them, but they're not

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Speaker 1: turning up to the same place every day for work.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's Parliament, sometimes it's their electorate office. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you can't turn up unannounced, I suppose, because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in a number of jobs, any number

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Speaker 1: of jobs, who don't work from the same spot every

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Speaker 1: single day, and politicians just fit into that category like

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Speaker 1: so many other occupations. But turn up and announced would

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Speaker 1: be the way to do it. They'd have to agree

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Speaker 1: to it. Can you imagine that happening. MP's agreeing. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of text already on this saying one person

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Speaker 1: here drug test, politicians, police and lawyers, anyone involved in

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Speaker 1: the law shouldn't be exempted. I imagine a lot of

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Speaker 1: lawyers will be worried about the new driving test picking

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Speaker 1: up cocaine. Dennis says if it's if the matter isn't

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Speaker 1: reported to police, that's not a good look. Few people

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Speaker 1: saying similarly, Allan says, if drug testing was introduced, would

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Speaker 1: we be made aware of any positives or will it

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Speaker 1: remain quiet like the AFL. Len says, not only do

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Speaker 1: I think politicians should be drug tested. They should also

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Speaker 1: have an IQ test, a sanity test, and a police

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Speaker 1: check as well. Thank you. Len Karen says, has David

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Speaker 1: Spears reported the fake video to police yet? And why

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Speaker 1: has he left Adelaide? Doesn't look good? Somebody else anonymously.

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Speaker 1: A drug testing for politicians is a must. After all,

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Speaker 1: they have found traces of cocaine in Parliament House before,

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Speaker 1: have they. I'm not aware of that. You're not thinking

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Speaker 1: of the white powder found in the White House, are you?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Okay, cocaine in Parliament, don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: Jeff and Portugusta says, if a politician tested positive for drugs,

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Speaker 1: it will never get out. We all know that. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: either fake or real, this video has got out and

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Speaker 1: somebody has leaked it. That's all. It takes one person,

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Speaker 1: fake or real. It only takes one person. And if

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Speaker 1: it is fake, as I said, woe betide all of us.

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Speaker 1: If this is where artificial intelligence is heading,