WEBVTT - #1987 The Ol' Switcheroo - Dr. Lillian Nejad

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<v Speaker 1>I get a team. It's another installment of the new Project,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it is. That's why you press play. Tiffany

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<v Speaker 1>and Cook and doctor Lillian Narde and me Fatty Harps

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<v Speaker 1>in the flannel shirt in the middle of this particular screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Where am I on your screen? Tiff middle bottom, top

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<v Speaker 1>and left right.

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<v Speaker 2>And speak of you, so you're like, boom, you're the

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<v Speaker 2>big one, and then everyone else just sits up in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Row up top.

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<v Speaker 1>I never have that. I like to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see what everyone's face is doing in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the chat.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that too. Greg. I've got you on the left, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Jef's on the bartom.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you on the right, and Tip on the left,

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<v Speaker 1>So a little horizontal grab. We'll start with Cook. How

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<v Speaker 1>are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very good. Thanks, Happy Monday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, happy Monday. Happy? Did you Oh you didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>the old man because he's in another state. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>give him a virtual cuddle or did you call him?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Both of the above? I gave him a virtual cuddle

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<v Speaker 2>and then I gave him a call.

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<v Speaker 1>How is the old bugger?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He's good, he's good. He's got some good stuff on.

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<v Speaker 1>Sy Yeah, well, it's dad now seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how I get stuck on aug So he's

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<v Speaker 2>been seventy one for bad for years now. My brother

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<v Speaker 2>stayed at forty six for a banded dicad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's funny. My kids had me stuck on

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<v Speaker 3>forty for like eight years. I don't know how that happened,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was like super psyched about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's probably because you were telling him constantly I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 3>No I wasn't. Oh not really, No didn't come. No,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come for me. They just, I don't know, mathematically talented.

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<v Speaker 3>But then my my husband was turning fifty and my

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<v Speaker 3>son came up to me in an earshot of my

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<v Speaker 3>husband and was like, Mom, why did you marry such

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<v Speaker 3>an old man? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>That is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>My husband did not like that, and so he told

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<v Speaker 3>everyone my age and I was like, why did you

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<v Speaker 3>have to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, do you think? Oh? I know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to ask it. I'm going to ask one

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<v Speaker 1>question because I know it's your show today, doctor Lilian

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<v Speaker 1>as the host today, be brief, do you think women

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<v Speaker 1>are more likely to lie about their age than dudes? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I knew the answer. I just didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be presumptuous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I think it's Societally, women have not been

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to age, you know, and still be acceptable and

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<v Speaker 3>visible and you know, seen as. I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's changing, but I think that women were

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<v Speaker 3>conditioned to try to stay and young and pretend that

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<v Speaker 3>they were younger to other people, just so that they

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<v Speaker 3>could still be relevant, which is sad, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I dated a guy for about eight months and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that he was like eight years older than he

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<v Speaker 2>told me he was until I was at his parents

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<v Speaker 2>place for his birthday and his brother's like, so, how

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<v Speaker 2>old is Scott said?

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<v Speaker 3>He is really interesting? Interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>And how old was he at his birthday? And how old? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>If we know answer A, we know answer?

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<v Speaker 2>B Oh god, I can't remember. I feel like early

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<v Speaker 2>thirties and he was like thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, so he was he told you he was

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and he was thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ludacrous.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he's a big fucking fiver, isn't he. If you

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<v Speaker 1>knew he was that age when you met him, would

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<v Speaker 1>you have gone out with him?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a silly guy.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a waste of time and energy on his

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<v Speaker 1>behalf hole. And then when he got caught, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was a dick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then we matched on a dating app again

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<v Speaker 2>years later, and I was like, Bro, you're still lying

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<v Speaker 2>about your age lot about your age for so long.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even remember how old you are.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's hlabarous. That is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that does actually happen a lot on dating apps.

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<v Speaker 3>People are lying about their aid. Apparently men lie about

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<v Speaker 3>their height.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, See, dudes care about their height a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than how I don't ask me why I'm middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the right. I'm not sure I'm not tall, but I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>dudes seem to care about that. I don't think men. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure men don't love being short, just like

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<v Speaker 1>women don't like being I guess some women seen as

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<v Speaker 1>being old. But like I, like you said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's changing. But what I do think is funny about

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<v Speaker 1>dating sites. Allegedly, I've never been one on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>on heart, on my mum's life, never been on one.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems like even on social media, people put

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<v Speaker 1>up the best photo that's ever been taken of them

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<v Speaker 1>ever in the history of their life, and it's fucking

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<v Speaker 1>eleven years old. And then they turn up to a

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<v Speaker 1>date and the poor unsuspecting potential boyfriend or girlfriend is like, God,

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<v Speaker 1>looks like their mom turned up or their dad turned up. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>they look nothing like that, am and joy saw. So

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<v Speaker 1>my theory is put up a somewhere between average and

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<v Speaker 1>not very good current photo and then if you still

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<v Speaker 1>get interest, they're definitely not going to be disappointed, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even pleasantly surprised.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know that that's not a new thing,

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<v Speaker 3>because I remember my mother in law telling me about

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<v Speaker 3>how because she came over on a ship to meet

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<v Speaker 3>her husband Wow, because his brother found her in the

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<v Speaker 3>village and was like, oh, you'd be a good wife

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<v Speaker 3>for my husband. And she wanted to leave her life

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<v Speaker 3>and start something new and it was an adventure. But

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<v Speaker 3>she was lucky that the picture was accurate. But she

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of stories, yeah, about women who had

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<v Speaker 3>been given these photos of young men. Yeah, and went

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<v Speaker 3>over and you know their husband to be or like

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<v Speaker 3>sixty seventy eighty years old. You know that's you know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>looks isn't the only thing you want the personality to

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<v Speaker 3>be good as well. You know, you're coming over on

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<v Speaker 3>a ship for months and then you're basically stranded here

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<v Speaker 3>like unless someone's looking after you. So that's yeah. So

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<v Speaker 3>this lying thing about how you look and who you

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<v Speaker 3>are and how old you are, it's it's not new, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not new, all right, So today what is happening everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is Lillian is throwing questions at me. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>getting up out of my chair now and walking over

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<v Speaker 1>to the other side of the table that Jape suits

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<v Speaker 1>Billian's just moving graciously like a gazelle into the number

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<v Speaker 1>one seat, And all right, so thanks for doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a fun idea, your idea, I might add,

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<v Speaker 1>So if the questions are terrible, we're not playing them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, I don't think it was my idea. Actually

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<v Speaker 3>it was Kelly. Was it your idea that someone Kelly you?

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<v Speaker 3>And then Kelly did the interview and I listened to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved her questions, and I loved those episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she has good questions.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I told you that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>listen to it and I liked it. You're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>why don't you interview me?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, so what was your idea? Actually?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Then, all right, then I'm going to give.

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<v Speaker 3>You credit where credits due, but don't get used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, Well I feel privileged. And if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to jump in for the questions that I can't answer, you, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>you can jump.

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<v Speaker 3>In if you like. That's totally fine. I actually really

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<v Speaker 3>like it when you are jumping in and we're giving

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<v Speaker 3>you a piece of the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we heard about you two wanted to do your

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<v Speaker 1>own show without me before we pressed record?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Tiffany, you know great, she's got a

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<v Speaker 3>great things to say. I love it, you know, don't

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<v Speaker 3>be so competitive, Craig geez. All right, So today, dear,

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<v Speaker 3>I try to be on my own show.

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<v Speaker 1>What is wrong with me? No?

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<v Speaker 3>Today, it's not your show, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I'm ready to settle into your cheap seat.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have got a bean bag for this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to run things a little bit differently as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's taken well and truly taking over.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take over. So I wanted to start

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<v Speaker 3>with some quick fire questions just to kind of get

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<v Speaker 3>the ball rolling and to see what your answers are

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<v Speaker 3>by instinct and not have a distinct through things and

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<v Speaker 3>all of that. So we'll just do a few of those. Ready,

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<v Speaker 3>However many I feel like, are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Originally originally it was five and now it's however, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, ready, they're they're not They're not difficult, They're just ready.

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<v Speaker 3>People know you better, hopefully, Okay, coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Or tea coffee to be indecisive, here we go. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to go with coffee. Such hard questions,

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<v Speaker 1>so I didn't know I need more prepped on.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, all right? Beach or mountains?

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<v Speaker 1>Beach?

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<v Speaker 3>Eminem's are smarties?

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<v Speaker 1>Neither That is incorrect, wouldn't they either?

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<v Speaker 3>The answer is Eminem's Okay, okay, VEG you might or

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<v Speaker 3>peanut butter.

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<v Speaker 1>Peanut butter, yes, very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Favorite season.

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<v Speaker 1>Spring, so right now, yeah, a little bit four weeks

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<v Speaker 1>from now, but in the middle of spring.

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<v Speaker 3>Google or chat ept chat is, oh, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. Comedy or drama.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's good comedy, No drama. I love comedy, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think most comics are not funny. So drama.

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<v Speaker 3>So follow up questions how much TV do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch in a day? Not much so at the most

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<v Speaker 1>an hour I don't watch television.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's pretty that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Most like most days fifteen minutes when I get in

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<v Speaker 1>bed while I'm falling asleep.

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<v Speaker 3>So below average, way below average. I think the average

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<v Speaker 3>is like three or four hours a day. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I know it seems like a lot, But then when

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<v Speaker 3>you actually think about your own behavior, it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I pretty much do that favorite show, another.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow up favorite show like lifetime favorite show or all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is gonna this is doing myself for this service.

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<v Speaker 1>I like The Big Bang Theory because it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's all right, it's about a bunch of geniuses or

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<v Speaker 1>genie I, but it's funny and it's silly. Growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>I loved you know, I loved it, Like mash was

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite TV shows. Yeah in was it

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<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam Vietnam War, Korean Korean more that's right, earlier

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<v Speaker 1>than Vietnam, yep. And yeah, I mean a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>shows like I used to love House, the Doctor Show

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<v Speaker 1>where he's like a medical detective. The Blacklist for a

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<v Speaker 1>while was freaking amazing, but nothing that I go that's

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<v Speaker 1>my all time Yeah. Favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a real mix of comedy and drama. Then yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, would you rather go to the movies or

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<v Speaker 3>a concert?

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<v Speaker 1>Movies?

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting? What was the first time that you ever went to?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, maybe the Eagles, Oh in Melbourne, Jackson Brown, James Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm old school, like I love old seventies, sixties, seventies, eighties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles live back first time were pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can imagine. What about you, Tiffany, what was

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<v Speaker 3>the first concert you'd ever gone.

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<v Speaker 2>To Robbie Williams?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? Really, yeah? Was it recent or was it a

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<v Speaker 3>long time ago?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a long time ago, maybe early two thousands sometime,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say, well mid two thousands. I wasn't even a fan,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was the biggest fan ever after that constant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's very good in concert. Yeah, I only saw

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<v Speaker 3>him recently, like when he was here last and again

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't I'm not a massive fan, like I've liked

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<v Speaker 3>maybe three of the songs. But when I saw him

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<v Speaker 3>play at the AFL was at the Grand Final a

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<v Speaker 3>few years ago, I was like, Oh, I think I

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<v Speaker 3>might want to go to wisconcert. That would be fun,

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<v Speaker 3>And it was great. It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he is.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's also a really good mental health advocate as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's been talking about mental health, his mental health

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<v Speaker 3>openly for many, many years, even before the more recent

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<v Speaker 3>documentaries and movies. So yeah, I really liked that about him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's really open.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the worst content you went to? And no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not my day, but just one question either of you.

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<v Speaker 1>So you went, what the fuck is this? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And saw Rayla Montaigne, who I loved his music, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was at the Art Center and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>total mismatch and a total letdown. You know when a

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<v Speaker 2>performer just doesn't fill the space.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, what about when you hear someone and they're

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<v Speaker 1>compared to their record voice? Yes, yes, live voices are

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<v Speaker 1>three and you're like, fuck, did you even sing on

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<v Speaker 1>that album? Because it was arable?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that happened to me recently. I go to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of concerts. I really enjoy going to concerts, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've taken my daughter who's eighteen to like ten at

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<v Speaker 3>least already. But the recent one that was really bad,

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<v Speaker 3>which was a shame, was a New Order. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>remember a New Order? From back? And I love them?

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<v Speaker 3>And not boy band, not new Addition, New order, like

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<v Speaker 3>the new wave band, like you know, they played.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not new addition, but like around the depeche Mode days,

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<v Speaker 3>like that kind of era. But yeah, no, his voice

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<v Speaker 3>was horrendous. Please you're ruining yourselves. Yeah, but yeah. My

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<v Speaker 3>first concert was actually Kenny Rogers really good, yeah, amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like look, I grew up in Dover, Delaware, which is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of small town USA, and my parents were immigrants

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<v Speaker 3>and they listened to Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton and

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<v Speaker 3>Elvis Presley and my parents were meant to go to

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<v Speaker 3>that concert, but I think my they might have had

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<v Speaker 3>an argument that evening and so my dad took me instead.

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<v Speaker 3>So it ended up being moth firstconcert, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>I was like twelve wow, And the Oakridge Boys opened.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if you guys know who that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They sang a song called Elvira.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they were never big here, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look them up. It's a really funny song. You

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<v Speaker 3>should have definitely listened to it.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my first jobs was in nineteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>in Liverpool Street one one six Liverpool Street, Hobart working

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<v Speaker 1>for a company that was then called Brashes, Brashes and Allen's,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a music store my old man ran. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the state manager for the company. And yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was my first job out of school, was working selling music,

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<v Speaker 1>selling instruments, selling tapes, selling LPs, old days before CDs

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<v Speaker 1>were even a concept. So yeah, and back in those

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<v Speaker 1>days heaps of Kenny Rodgers and all the old school

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<v Speaker 1>guys and girls.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so sorry, he plays as well? Yeah do you No?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally does for How long have you have you been playing?

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<v Speaker 1>Since I was six?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Wow? Do you sing? No?

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a very good singing not even joking it

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<v Speaker 2>actually got a really good for singing voice.

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<v Speaker 1>I can sing a bit and play a bit. Little secret,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely not, you know. I love for me. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather play by myself than for someone, and so would

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<v Speaker 1>that someone probably, But it's like for me, music's very therapeutic.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to music a lot, So when I say

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather go to a movie than a concert sounds

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<v Speaker 1>weird for me. But I've just been disappointed in a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of concerts, and I think it's very rare that

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<v Speaker 1>they sound as good as they do. In my ears

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<v Speaker 1>with headphones.

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<v Speaker 3>If you were to get go to a concert where

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<v Speaker 3>it sounded exactly how you want it to sound, what

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<v Speaker 3>concert would you be going to?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've been to it. Jackson Brown. I love Jackson Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people like, who's that? Yeah? Just my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite singer songwriter of all time. You know, diustrates Mark Knopfler.

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<v Speaker 1>He has not a great voice, but he has a

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<v Speaker 1>great sound. And dire Straits were fucking amazing. The Eagles

0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:22.439
<v Speaker 1>were amazing. Cool Joe Walsh who was part of the Eagles,

0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Frye, all those dudes. I've got this crazy bird

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<v Speaker 1>at my window that keeps, like right now as we're talking,

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<v Speaker 1>flying into the window, headbutting it away, flying in, flying in,

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<v Speaker 1>and then flapping his wings against the window. I'm like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to give yourself concussion. Stop it. What is

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<v Speaker 1>that about? Is it routine season or something?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what's what's the what's the name of it?

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<v Speaker 1>TIFFs like, there's I don't know, there's a season where

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<v Speaker 1>birds go nuts? Maybe no, definitely, don't get me talking

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<v Speaker 1>about you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Nature, more quick fire and then I'm on to the

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<v Speaker 3>good questions, right, all right? Favorite swear word. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot to choose from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't have to be fucked just because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the Swiss army knife of you know, speaking. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the all purpose multi tool that you can just

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<v Speaker 1>slot in. But the funny thing is about fuck or

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<v Speaker 1>fucking or fucked or fuck you is that it can

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<v Speaker 1>be so many Like, it can be surprised, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be like a compliment. Yeah, it can be to scare someone,

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<v Speaker 1>It can be yeah, yeah, there is this multipurpose.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this Finnish comedian and I can't remember his name

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<v Speaker 3>right now, but maybe some of you have heard of

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<v Speaker 3>him where he talks about the English language and like

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<v Speaker 3>he'll use a word like you, fucker shit or just

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<v Speaker 3>a regular.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone seen that dude too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really good. He's really good. We saw him when

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<v Speaker 3>he was here. Actually, all right now, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to Kelly's interview, just because she had some

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<v Speaker 3>great questions about all sorts of things. Sure, how did

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<v Speaker 3>you actually find the experience of being interviewed on your show?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd like it as long as I've done cheesy interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>which I hate.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, so, so you've hated this so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're going, okay, But you know, when people go

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<v Speaker 1>because of my background and stuff, people go essentially, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to lose weight? Craig, And I'm like, ah, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be here, you know. Or so Craig,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we stay motivated? Well, John, we fucking don't

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<v Speaker 1>ask a better question.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that answer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, you know, when like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>question and there's not a single answer to that question

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<v Speaker 1>because there are so many variables. It's like, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>best way for a woman to exercise? Well, that is

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<v Speaker 1>the dumbest, most ignorant, yeah, you know, probably insensitive question too.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on a million variables, So tell it to

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<v Speaker 1>forget male or female. Just tell me about the person.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me all about their physiology, their medical stuff, their

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<v Speaker 1>current level of condition, their genetics, what they want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>their goal. You know, it depends on twenty things. Rock bottoms.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that people often want that easy, kind of formulaic answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I think maybe it's those those kinds of answers sell

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<v Speaker 3>better or sound better, and so that's what they're wanting.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not the real it's not the right answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree. I reckon when you listen, it's fucking terrible

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<v Speaker 1>like it. I agree with you in that it's good

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<v Speaker 1>to get soundbites, Craig, what's the best way to do this?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the SoundBite, right well, that's the that's the hook.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's like you and I and Tiff

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<v Speaker 1>chatting right now. I'm not saying this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>the high watermark for you know, engaging an audience. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you are going to ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask you what you're going to ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say send through any questions. I just said

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<v Speaker 1>let's go, you know, And I think that for but like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you've got questions that you've written out in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of your planning, but you don't have a script,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might ask half of them, you might ask

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of them, you might ask five questions you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't write, because you can be in the moment and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of read the room and understand, like I might

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<v Speaker 1>open a door that's interesting that you didn't think i'd open,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, fuck, let's keep going in that room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So there's that. I think my constant thinking

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<v Speaker 1>whether I'm doing a keynote or a workshop or a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast still whatever, or someone else's show is how do

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<v Speaker 1>I make this something that people really want to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to and is relevant and engaging. And people stop listening

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<v Speaker 1>at the end and go, that was really good, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's just like and they don't even need to

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<v Speaker 1>know why. But like Patrick and Tiff and I do

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<v Speaker 1>a show which is meant to be about technology and

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<v Speaker 1>it just ends up being about you know, dick jokes

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<v Speaker 1>and carbs and bullshit and then a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>technology thrown in. But if we get constant or I

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.320
<v Speaker 1>get constant feedback about that saying, and even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost a show about nothing, people love it because it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very real. Some people would hate it, by the way, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they just go, yeah, I don't know why, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love listening to you three dickheads just bang on. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really entertaining. Yeah, but you could, like, we couldn't script

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<v Speaker 1>what we do because everybody's just in the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And I think when you have like that, that

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<v Speaker 3>relationship where you guys really know each other, you can

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<v Speaker 3>it's really easy to do that. I think that's great,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, here's one. This is one that just came

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<v Speaker 3>up while I was listening to you and Kelly, Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>what is the biggest lie you told yourself about yourself

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<v Speaker 3>when you were young? And when did you discover it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't true?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still discovering it. It was basically that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>good enough, smart enough, anything enough to be all the

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<v Speaker 1>things I would like to have been, you know, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the constant life for me was I'm not smart enough,

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<v Speaker 1>attractive enough, athletic enough, creative enough, likable enough, lovable enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was no real self pity. I just thought that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I really thought that. Yeah, I really thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then for me, just what moved the needle and

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of turned on the light bulb a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit was when I you know, I spoken about this

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<v Speaker 1>too many times, but I just lost a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of weight, and I went from really unfit to really

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<v Speaker 1>very fit, and from really out of shape to really

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<v Speaker 1>in shape when I was fourteen fifteen. And then what

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<v Speaker 1>was the most interesting was not the weight loss or

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<v Speaker 1>the physiological change, but how people treated me after that

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<v Speaker 1>and responded to me and interacted with me, and like

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<v Speaker 1>the doors that opened, like you know, socially and emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, sporting doors open. You know, I got opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>to play when I never got an opportunity and I

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<v Speaker 1>was not bad, so then I got opportunities to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rise through the ranks a little bit. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just that stuff. So I think, just my my self,

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<v Speaker 1>sabotage my you know, ittybitish committee.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder log what does that say about like

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<v Speaker 3>society too. I think I had a similar experience to you,

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<v Speaker 3>where I felt very in some not globally not good enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but in like some areas not good enough. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think when you're a teenager it's pretty universal, especially

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<v Speaker 3>but then if you come out of that and like

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<v Speaker 3>you were saying, you got fit and then you started

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<v Speaker 3>getting attention, and then your self concept started to change.

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 3>And for me it was, yeah, you know that the

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.159
<v Speaker 3>ugly duckling to the you know, swan all of a

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:44.680
<v Speaker 3>sudden getting attention. What is actually happening? I don't understand this, Yeah,

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 3>but like it shouldn't be that way. It shouldn't be

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 3>that you're only accepted if you look a certain way

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 3>or you know, are socially acceptable, and that is.

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>True, but what us saying is absolutely true. But I

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>also think, yeah, but it's kind of irrelevant because that

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>isn't how the world works. Like we want everyone to

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>be valued the same and respected and loved, and you know,

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>we want that. I want that. If that was if

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I could click my fingers and that was the world, boom,

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>it's happening. But that isn't the world we live in,

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 1>like like it or not want it or not hate it.

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Even more attractive people get more opportunities. Taller guys are

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>more attractive to women. Women say that all the time.

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Women are less attractive to short men. You know, people

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>who have got some skill or super IQ or talent,

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 1>they're more desirable, or they're more sought after, or they

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>get more opportunities because of all that, you know, And

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>so it's understandable, you know, and you oh the old

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 1>birds pack. I'm on bro, I'm on a roll, just

0:26:55.440 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 1>going someone else's window. But yes, I agree. And so

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>for me, it wasn't that I changed how I thought

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>about myself so much. Is I started to come to

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>understand that my problem wasn't my potential, not that I

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>thought I was gifted, and it wasn't my possibilities or

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 1>you know what I might do be create or but

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>rather what I thought of myself. You know how I thought,

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought I couldn't do those things. Then I

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:30.719
<v Speaker 1>got to the point where I realized, oh, I can

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.959
<v Speaker 1>do those things. I can, but I need to make

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>sure my mind doesn't get in the way of my

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>possibilities and potential. And even now when I meet people,

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>like you know, you can talk to someone and you go,

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>this person's pretty fucking smart. Like they're pretty smart, you know,

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and it might not be in an academic intellectual way,

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>but you know, like I had my best mate over

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>this morning, Vinn, and you know, I've got a couple

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>he's an electrician, I've got a couple of shoes I

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>need to fix. And I just watched him do his

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>magic right, And it's a kind of intelligence that I

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have, Like he did stuff in five minutes that

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do in five hours. Yet some people would

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 1>think I'm a little bit smart. I go, well, depends

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 1>on which room you put me in, Because put me

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in a certain room, I'm the dumbest motherfucker in the room.

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, Give me any kind of tool and you

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>might as well go have a sleep because nothing will

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>change anytime soon.

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think like that has a lot to

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 3>do with how narrow our definitions can be of things. Yes,

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 3>what does you know smart mean? Like, yeah, I think

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 3>as you get older, and maybe as society evolves as well,

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 3>the definition becomes much more broad and you can see

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 3>like the different situations and our people can be smart

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 3>in different ways. Or you know, you might apply gills

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 3>in one situation and not be able to apply it

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 3>in another. And I think that's the same for you know,

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 3>being intelligent, beauty. I think creativity. I had a very

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 3>very narrow definition of creativity and maybe a lot of

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 3>other people do too, I don't know, but this idea

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 3>of like you're an artist, Like if creativity means you're

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 3>an artist, you know, you can't sing or write music

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 3>or draw or something like that. And so I always

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 3>said I wasn't creative. Let's say I'm just not created

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 3>to the point where even on like an application to

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 3>postgraduate school where they had like this thing where you're

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 3>meant to get a recommendation from a professor, but my

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 3>professor's like, no, I'm happy for you to just fill

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 3>it all in yourself. And I was like okay, and

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 3>it was like ranking like me on a few different things,

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 3>so research, creativity, blah blah blah. And because I, for

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 3>some reason, I'm like the most honest person on earth,

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm like looking at each of them like, how am I?

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 3>You know? How creative am I? And I put myself

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 3>down for it?

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And I'm like that that actually would have affected

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 3>my admissions for sure, because I know that everybody else

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 3>did not do they put themselves up. But it was

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 3>because I really didn't think I was. And it has

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 3>really only been in probably the last ten years or that.

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I am, that's so silly. I am creative.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 3>I create things all the time, you know, even in

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 3>the in the artistic side of like like taking photographs

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 3>that's creative, but but like you know, I don't know,

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 3>designing it up that's creative. Creating online programs, been working

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 3>out worksheets that are recording things that are going to

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 3>good for my clients, you know, finding gaps and creating

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 3>something out of nothing. That's all creative. But yeah, it

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't how I saw it. Well.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I think the collision or the intersection of collect and

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>creativity is problem solving, right, And you think even in science,

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>we're always trying to solve problems, we're always trying to

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>understand something, We're always trying to ask the best question. Well,

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>that's creative, you know. And when I look at Mark,

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>my training partner, who you wouldn't call typically creative, because

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of and I'm being presumptive here,

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like is that like a lot of people think of

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>creative as oh, he can or she can sing or

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>dance or write or do poetry, and it's all these

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of artistic things, these expressions of creativity, whereas I

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>think most people are creative, just in different ways. Absolutely,

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>if you can figure out how to navigate a complex

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>into personal situation, well that's creativity because you're solving problems

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>in real time and you know, and yes, there's some

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>psych in there and some science in there, and some

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>self awareness and situational awareness, but you realize you're heading

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in a direction this is not good, and then you

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>figure out in the middle of that how you might

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>do better and produce better, and then you you know,

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you intervene with that knowledge, and then all of a sudden,

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you've gone from heading in a shit direction to a

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>better direction and you've just saved a podcast or a

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>pitch for a job or a business meeting or whatever

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. Yeah, that's creative.

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 3>It is like when you said that understanding and creativity

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 3>leads to problem solving. I'm like, that's like literally the

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 3>definition of therapy. That's what it is.

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, you have to be creative, because you are. You know,

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>you are putting what you know and understand alongside or

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>in the moment intuition and awareness and then trying to

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>come up with a practical feasible you know, intervention or

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>solution of sorts for that in the visual and no

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>one else. Yeah, that's very creative.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree, I'm so creative.

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>You actually are. But I think the problem is not

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that we're not creative. I think it's that we have

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a very limited definition. It's like intelligence. It's like intelligence.

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Intelligence is so many more things than being good at school.

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I would say that intellect of itself, it doesn't

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>rank as high for me as lots of other different

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>kinds of intelligence, like practical intelligent intelligence, situational awareness, communication,

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, like just being able to adapt and survive.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>That's its own kind of intelligence, you know, being able

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>to write a song, being able to conceptualize something and

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>then write a book you know, out of your head

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>pre chat GPT and without ripping anyone off, like you

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>literally like the first book I wrote and I'm not

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>a joeniust but was twenty five years ago, and it

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 1>was all about, you know, my experience are coming to

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>understand that getting in shape is largely not a physical

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>process more a psychological and emotional and physical process. Because

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd worked with so many people and I've gained so

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>much real world you know, on the ground at the

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>coal Face experience, I just started to jot down all

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>of the ideas and all of the learnings and that

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>became a paragraph, and then a bunch of paragraphs, and

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>then eventually chapters and then a book.

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>But that was that was the insection of you know,

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of intuition and paying attention to humans

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>as well as figuring out how do I share these

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>ideas in a way that are meaningful and super readable.

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I think we're definitely on the same page.

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 3>And I think that can actually help solve a lot

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 3>of problems. If when you're judging yourself, if you think

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 3>about how you're defining whenever you're judging yourself, and think

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 3>about different ways of defining it, broader ways of defining it.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really helpful.

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what else I think is an expression

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>of creativity or an example and intelligence together is being

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>able to, like, you know a lot of stuff, right,

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>You've got a PhD. Your knowledge is profound compared to

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the average person in your field. I mean, compared to

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the average person in your field, I guess you're quite

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>respected and somewhere near the top, I would think. But

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>what I mean is you have a capacity to share

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>what can be pretty complicated over people's head stuff in

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a way that isn't complicated or over their head. So

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is, in real time you are breaking

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>down this this scientifical, psycho psychological construct or theory or

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, into layman's terms so we can all

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>not only understand it, but then maybe do something with it.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that's yeah.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I agree, that's a gift, you know.

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I think, well, I think it's well, it's thank you,

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 3>but I think also it's Yeah, it's just about making

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 3>things accessible to people. And like I think what you

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 3>said before again about therapy being or I said that,

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 3>but it was your definition of therapy having had to

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, be sit with I don't know, thousands of

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 3>people in groups or individuals and tailor things to them.

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 3>You kind of learn how to translate research evidence into

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 3>practical strategies. And then it's then it's about how do you, Yeah,

0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 3>how do you tailor it to people's not needs and wants,

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 3>but like their preferences and their learning styles. And that's

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of what I feel like. That's the direction that

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I've gone and is just trying to create things that

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 3>cater to as many people as possible and the way

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 3>they want the information because we're all different.

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when people hit me up and ask me what

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>do you doing your research on? Or what's your POHD about?

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And so I think, do I want to open the

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>whole how you think, how you think about them, how

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>they think about you, how you think they think about you?

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>This kind of cognitive shit fest or this you know?

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And I say, well, let me let me explain it

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>like this. I go, put up your hand if you've

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>ever heard your voice on an audio recording. And I've

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>told this before, but put up your hand if you've

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>ever heard you on a recording and people go, oh,

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, and then they raise their hand because they

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>think they sound shit. Right, I put your hand and down,

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I go, Now, put your hand back up if you

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 1>think you sound terrible, and all the hands go back up,

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and I go, well, the bad news for you is

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>that's how we hear you all the time, right, And

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>that is true. What you think is that whiny, nasally

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 1>unattractive voice that you heard on a recording, That is

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 1>precisely what goes in our ears. So your version of

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 1>you is not our version of you, even auditorially. So

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>then we zoom back from just the listening experience to

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the whole experience. So you go, well, of course you

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 1>get it wrong. Of course you do, because the only

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>person who thinks like you is you, you know. And

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>there's even a name for that. And I go, there's

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a thing called false consensus effect, and that means that

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>we just assume that people think like us. Well, that's

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a really fucking bad assumption because it's not true. Now,

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>if you move forward in a conflict solution or you know,

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>team meeting or whatever, operating on the assumption that everyone

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>else in the room thinks like you. You'll produce more problems,

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>more problems and solutions.

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah, yeah, all right, Craig, tell me, what

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 3>do you worry about.

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I worry about my parents, that's it.

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't want to die, but I don't. I

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 1>don't overthink, you know how a lot of people that

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, it's like back in, but it's not

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>even that. I just don't want to be. Yeah, I

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>would not want to die an unhealthy, long death, you know,

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't really occupy much my space. Okay, so

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>in order, it would be mum and dad, and then

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>it would be and I don't when I say I

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>don't worry, I just have. I do worry a bit,

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 1>but I have just more of an awareness of them.

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw them last night. It was Father's Day. I

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 1>spent time with them, and it was it was actually

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>really good. And then then I feel a bit bad

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>because I don't get there enough, you know. But it's

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>four hours of driving, you know, And I'm like, and

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>then I hear myself coaching me, going, well, what fuck it?

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 1>What's more important than them? And fuck the four hours

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>because in a while there won't be anyone to drive to.

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 1>So and then I'm like, I, you know, reprimand myself,

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.439
<v Speaker 1>but it mainly that and other people like I don't.

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't care so much about stuff at all, you know,

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>so relationships, not doing the wrong thing by people. I

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 1>used to care a lot more that this is going

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to sound weird, but that I used to worry a

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>lot more about what people thought of me. I don't

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>so much anymore. I just know that, well, one I'm flawed,

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and two I'm going to fuck up, and three, you know,

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>people have every right to like me or not like me.

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I get that, so there's no argument with that. But

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to give people. I don't want to

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>give people a reason to be disappointed in me or

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, think I'm a wanker, or I don't want

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Like I want to be, you know,

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I want to be the person that my mum thinks

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I am. You know that person. You know what's that saying?

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 1>You want to be as good as your dog thinks

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you are, or you know, because dog thinks you're the

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>best thing in the world. I want to be as

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>good as my labrador thinks I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's not a lot of other stuff.

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you know, kind of like the big things

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 3>in life, you know, your relationships, and.

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>If you want me to get tiny bit philosophical, I

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>really fucking worry about the world. I worry about the

0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 1>next fifty years for him and I won't be here,

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>but I worry about what that's going to look like.

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just what do you do with that kind

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 3>of worry? Because that is quite a global one. I

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of people can relate to that. Yeah,

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 3>without any political you know, and all of that.

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I try not to waste energy on things I can't control.

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So even though I say I worry about it, I

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.439
<v Speaker 1>don't obsess or ruminate or focus on it. But there's

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>an underlying just care for the world. It's like, you know,

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 1>like friends have got little friends of mine. I got

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>little kids and they're four, and I go, fuck, what's

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>life going to be like when they're fifty four? You know,

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>what's the world going to look like? So that a

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but you know, I try, and I encourage

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>other people to like identify the things that you can

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>control and can't control, and then invest your energy where

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.479
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get the best return, which of course

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 1>is easier said than done, because we're emotional, fear based

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 1>creatures at times. Yeah, and so it's very you know,

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>intellectually and logically, oh, don't well, don't focus on that

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>because that doesn't change anything. That's good. That's good theoretically,

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's not terrible advice. But it's like you said,

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 1>I think you said before you know it's or maybe

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.240
<v Speaker 1>we said another time, but it's like telling a worried

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>person not to worry. It's like, well, or is that

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 1>utif it doesn't matter?

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 3>That makes sense?

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, well, yeah, it's gone up to the

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>person who's freaking out, they're worried, they're a bit anxious,

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 1>having a minor meltdown. You go put your hand on

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>their shoulder. Lovely intention but completely fucking unhelpful when you

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>tell the worried person not to worry, because clearly they

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>can't just turn it off.

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 3>So and even trying to turn it off as like

0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:58.359
<v Speaker 3>counterproductive as well. Yeah.

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, that I try to the things that

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I can do or influence or effect. I try very

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>much not to talk about political stuff on this show,

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 1>just because I think we're inundated with it. And also,

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck do I know, so I'd rather talk

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>about human beings and human feelings and human bodies and

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:23.919
<v Speaker 1>human relationships and the human experience at that level. Yeah,

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think rather than me chiming in on politics,

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody fucking needs it.

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, I agree that there's a lot of it, and

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I try. I've been trying to avoid it a lot

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 3>as well, just for my own sanity. But also like, yeah,

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 3>I can relate to that worry of parents and you know,

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 3>parents getting older, and I'm all the way across the

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 3>world from mine, so I really don't get to see them, yes,

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 3>very often. And then also you know, like because we

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 3>have children, Like when you have children, the experience of

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 3>having a child is for I guess most people that

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 3>again it's my experience probably a lot of other people,

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 3>is that this kind of layer of anxiety washes over you. Yes,

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 3>you just can't. It's just part of like being a parent,

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 3>because I think evolutionarily it makes sense because anxiety is

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 3>there to protect you, and now it's there to protect

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, your child. Because but yeah, that like I

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>wasn't an anxious person. I didn't worry much at all,

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Like before kids, like I was very happy, kind of

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 3>go lucky, I think, But yeah, the experience of having

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 3>children really change that and gave me a new perspective

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 3>on what worry and anxiety is. And you know, sometimes

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 3>you can't help things. Like I was telling you before

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 3>the show that, like, I've had an interesting day and

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 3>a half. And yes, so my daughter broke her ankle

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 3>playing basketball yesterday.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.439
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a bad injury and it hurts a lot. Yeah.

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Well we didn't think she broke it initially because she

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 3>didn't cry, you know, like you know when you're like

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 3>I've seen her in pain before. Yeah, yeah, and she

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 3>just was holding her foot and it didn't look good.

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 3>But we're like, oh, maybe it's like dislocated or whatever.

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 3>And now it's not dislocated, and yeah, she's gonna have

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 3>surgery tomorrow as well.

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh really yeah oh wow.

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's been interesting and so like stuff like

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 3>that will come up. You know, you can't you can't

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 3>control everything, and so it makes sense for worried and

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 3>to come up in those situations.

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>But I think I think sometimes worry is I mean,

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>it's logical, Yeah, if that happened, Like I think, if

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I had kids, I would worry much more than I

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 1>currently worry like I I probably have issues with getting

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.439
<v Speaker 1>too close to people. I reckon if I had kids,

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>i'd be the best dad in the world and the

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>worst dad in the world because I think I might

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>be over protective. I'd hope I wouldn't be. I'd hope

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>i'd let them. I'm pretty sure i'd let them just

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>fuck up and fall over and get back up.

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 3>But it's a real difficult it really is.

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a juggling act. And I think, like, yeah, I

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>e a like I a friend of mine had a

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>kid and somebody hurt his kid and like quite badly,

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>like broke his jaw and like just a bully. And

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like I was, I was, Oh god, I cannot

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 1>tell you how mad I was, as not even my kid,

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 1>but I care about the kid, and then I care

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>about his dad. Yeah, oh god, this is why I

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>don't have children.

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:56.240
<v Speaker 3>Probably, Oh no, you'd be amazed. You would be amazing.

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 3>I think your first instinct of like you'd be a

0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>great dad. I think that you absolutely would be. And

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that that feeling of like wanting to kill

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 3>someone if they touch your child is completely.

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Natural to all of the government authorities. I have no

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>intention of ever killing anyone. I'm just talking about. But

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>then at the same time, probably good.

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I I have children, Oh no, I have that instinct.

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Like my my son place footy, like there's any like, yeah,

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm ready to run on that field. I

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 3>mean I won't, but I like, I have the instinct

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 3>of wanting to. Yeah, Like he says somebody did something

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 3>to him at school, like whether he was a child

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 3>or like now and he's sixteen, I'm like, tell me

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 3>who it is, you know, like, and he knows not

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 3>to tell me because he's like, I might do something

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 3>that's good. It's functional to a degree. It's just depending

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 3>on what you actually end up doing. Yeah, my mom my.

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Mom ran on a footy field when I got ned

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>in the face and I put my teeth through my tongue.

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, Mary, I'm like, oh my god. Mary ran

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>on the field and was just like waving her fist

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and yelling at this like mom, get off the fucking field.

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 3>That would have been.

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm and because I stood up night blood coming out

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 1>of my mouth and ran down my neck right so

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 1>that moms don't want to see that. And it wasn't

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 1>The dude's fault. It was like it was just happened

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.879
<v Speaker 1>in play, So it was just an accident. But yeah,

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.759
<v Speaker 1>she was. She was like that that was going to

0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:31.879
<v Speaker 1>that's it, you're not playing anymore. I'm like, what you're

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>telling me, I'm not playing. I'm playing. She's like, I'm

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>not playing anymore. That's your last game of football. I'm like,

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>come on, bro, you're five foot tall. You're not going

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to stop me. So my lunch weighs more than you.

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Settle down, go sit next to Ron. But yeah, she

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:49.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't happy.

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I can feel for for Mary, and I

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.320
<v Speaker 3>would have felt exactly the same in that situation and

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 3>would have definitely run on field probably with I yelled

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:06.399
<v Speaker 3>at whoever hurt my child. But yeah, you know, accidents happen,

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 3>and that's what happened yesterday. It was just an accident.

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, well I hope she recovers quick and with

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:15.359
<v Speaker 1>not too much pain.

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Now it'll be all right. So now we talked about worry,

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 3>and I know we're coming to the end. Right. How

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 3>much longer do we have?

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Six? Seven, eight minutes?

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh great, that's actually better than I thought. Tell me

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 3>what really pisses you off?

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Bullies? Uh? People who are thoughtless and selfish, people who

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:48.840
<v Speaker 1>don't genuinely just you know, people who don't pay attention

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>to other people. I'm not talking about looking after other people,

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:57.919
<v Speaker 1>but just you know, just people who are very self

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 1>centered and don't care about I was quick story. One minute.

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I was at the gym on Friday night. At my gym,

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 1>it's twenty four where I trained. It's twenty four to

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 1>seven Friday night. It's unstaffed. One of the staff there Annie,

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 1>who's amazing. She was their training clients, but she doesn't

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 1>work at reception or anything. And these five guys came

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>in and they're all young men, like they were probably

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 1>sixteen to nineteen, and they all came in and one

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 1>guy had a pass and the rest didn't, and they

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 1>just came in like a swarm. Well one guy was

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>a member, four weren't. And they were about to walk

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 1>up the stairs and Annie walked down the stairs and

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>bumped into them and said, oh, can I help you boys?

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And they're like no, we're good, and they're like, well, sorry,

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:52.360
<v Speaker 1>what do you Anyway, they were just trying to bluff

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 1>her and bully her so they could go work out.

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 1>And Annie looked at me, and I was about twenty

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 1>feet away, and so I just came over and I

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 1>stood in front of her, and there was Remember there's

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 1>five of them, right, and they're all like pig you know,

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 1>kids are big. Now. I go, what's going on, boys?

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>And they go, oh, we're just going to do a workout.

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 1>We're going to see if we like it. You can't

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 1>do that. There's no staff here. And I go, who's

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>got a membership? And this guy puts up. He goes, oh,

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:19.879
<v Speaker 1>I've got a membership. I'll go, well, you can train.

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 1>The other four of you you can't train. And then

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like ah, but ah, but I go, not listening to me,

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you can't train. I didn't elevate my voice. I just

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 1>said you can't train. Oh yeah, but we want to

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>do a trial. I go, cool, you can do a trial,

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>but not when there's no staff here. None of you

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>have got memberships except you. And it doesn't matter how

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>many ways you ask. You can ask me for the

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>next half hours.

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:42.920
<v Speaker 3>This is no.

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>And they went back and they just turned around and

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.919
<v Speaker 1>walked down. I went, see ya, But that where people

0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:53.680
<v Speaker 1>are just fucking rude and blind people and trying to intimidate,

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lady, like a sixty year old lady.

0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, fuck you, you're definitely not training. That's all

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you usually express anger and frustration and.

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't. I don't really get elevated. No, Like,

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:14.880
<v Speaker 1>if somebody is rude to me, I will go, Like

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 1>in a shop, when they're I mean that have to

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>be pretty rude, especially when it's in customer service and

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.279
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly they don't want to clear, they don't want

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:26.719
<v Speaker 1>to serve you, or I just go, it's not okay

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>for you to be rude to me. That's it. And

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.800
<v Speaker 1>they look at me like what. I go, it's not

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:33.759
<v Speaker 1>okay for you to be rude to me. Maybe other

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 1>people will put up with it. I won't, So either

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>be polite. Don't need to be my best friend, just

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>be polite, or go find me someone who's polite.

0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Just I hat ah, that's pretty amazing. Would you do that, Tiffany?

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 3>Is that something you've ever done?

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not something I've ever done, but I love it.

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I love it too.

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, people will treat you how you

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:57.800
<v Speaker 1>let them. Yeah, when people just are rude, I go,

0:53:58.000 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I go, hey, mate, it's not okay to be rude

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to me. I don't know if anyone's ever told you

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.719
<v Speaker 1>it's almost they get shocked. I go, maybe other people

0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:08.919
<v Speaker 1>are cool. I'm not cool, so start again, don't be rude.

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:16.319
<v Speaker 1>And they never ac up, never because I don't ac up.

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I shouldn't say this because next time someone will

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking aark up. But you know, or they might get

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a bit grumpy, or they might walk off. I've had

0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 1>people just walk off and someone else, someone different, come back.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm like cool and they were polite. I'm like, great,

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>it's all I want. Like I'm not special. But if

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm going somewhere, which is essentially a customer service business, yeah,

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.320
<v Speaker 1>and someone treats me like I'm a problem.

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:45.800
<v Speaker 4>In their day, yeah, fuck you, Like fuck you don't

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.240
<v Speaker 4>do this job if you don't want to serve people,

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 4>because it's the definition of the industry.

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>It's called customer service.

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally. I love that, Like it's I think it's

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 3>like the fuck he was on the inside though, Yeah,

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 3>And the way you express it.

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Is like, oh, yeah, I don't elevate. I don't swear,

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't elevate. I don't I'm not rude. I don't

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 1>finger point. Yeah, I just talk like I'm talking now.

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>And because I say that and it doesn't sound aggressive

0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:22.359
<v Speaker 1>because it's not, it's almost confusing for them. Yeah.

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, because what often will happen And this has

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 3>happened with me and I'm sure a lot of other people.

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.359
<v Speaker 3>But like, if someone's rude to you, you just rude

0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 3>back because you don't put out, you're not going to

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 3>put up with it. Yeah so, but but you're but

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:43.239
<v Speaker 3>you're doing something also ineffective because that's not going to

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:44.760
<v Speaker 3>change their behavior.

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Can I also sorry, can I put in a disclaimer?

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I would be I'm not like I can read things

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:57.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty well. If if somebody I would just my uh,

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:02.399
<v Speaker 1>my asterisk would be if you feel like you could

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 1>be in danger, don't do that of course, Like if

0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 1>you're a if you're a lady and you're smaller and

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 1>not as strong and somebody could hurt you, then just

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, I think it's about context and situation.

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:21.360
<v Speaker 1>But in general terms, I believe that especially in customer

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 1>service stuff. You know, it's like when people try and

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>sell me something like on Hampton Street. I've been accusted

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.920
<v Speaker 1>or accosted a hundred times where I'm walking down Hampton

0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Street and people want to sell you something or can

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I just ask you ten questions? I go no, and

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I just keep walking. They go, oh, can I ask why?

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I go no, and I just keep walking Like the

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>question was can I and the answer is no? And

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 1>then oh, well then can I ask why? Also?

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 3>No? See?

0:56:55.239 --> 0:57:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I don't need and look, it depends I'm

0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>not prick, but I will do it sometimes and I will,

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, it depends on. But if I'm hurrying somewhere

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and I know that it's really someone trying to sell

0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:13.759
<v Speaker 1>me a fucking timeshare on Lindhaman Island, it's really just

0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a curtain to pull back to show me the opportunity.

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, and you don't. Here's the thing you

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:26.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have to explain to people your personal decisions, especially

0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 1>it's anger trying to sell you something. Yeah, I can

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.760
<v Speaker 1>ask you why not no, just go.

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think there's lots of ways of being effective

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 3>in those situations, but sometimes you're not the one in control.

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Someone's like continuing to bother you.

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>You can, especially with that multi level marketing ship multi

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 1>level marketing when they are literally taught to not pay

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 1>attention when people say no, right, you know they are

0:57:54.200 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>trained to overcome objections, right, so they are trained. It's

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.520
<v Speaker 1>like they are told, Okay, you ask a question, person

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:08.600
<v Speaker 1>says I'm not interested. You ignore that. How fucking unethical

0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>is that? Yeah, and all you organizations that do that,

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you should be fucking ashamed of yourself to do that.

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 1>When someone you asked them a question and the person

0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>politely says no, thank you or I'm not interested, then

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you with your clipboard fuck off.

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I really got the anger out of you today, didn't

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I cray? I love it.

0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 1>But do either of you disagree with me?

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 3>No? I don't disagree. I have had a recent thing

0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 3>happened to me when my daughter and I were in

0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 3>London recently and someone came up to it like literally

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:45.520
<v Speaker 3>the same situation, yeah, very nice. I was like, I

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 3>was in a good mood. I wasn't being rude. I

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.160
<v Speaker 3>was like super polite, happy to like entertain a little

0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 3>conversation as we're walking down the street. But when he

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 3>just got no several times politely, then it was like, oh,

0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 3>well you must not like children, and you know, like

0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 3>he actually became.

0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Very aggressive rude.

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I just like I was with my daughter too,

0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:08.640
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, I'm like, let's just walk across the

0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 3>street because this guy is like not leaving us alones.

0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 3>We just walked across the street and then we were

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 3>at a pace and then my daughter looked behind us

0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.720
<v Speaker 3>and she's like, oh, he's cross the street as well,

0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, don't worry, We're just going to keep

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 3>walking and he's going to like and he stopped following us.

0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 3>But I'm like, that's so like I'm necessary.

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, that's right. And there will be times when,

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, like if I see somebody. Conversely, if I

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:36.080
<v Speaker 1>see somebody on the street who's upset, I will go

0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:39.280
<v Speaker 1>up and say are you okay? Like I love people,

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:43.160
<v Speaker 1>but I hate bullying and I hate that. You know,

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>when you politely say no thanks, I'm not interested, and

0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>then maybe you repeat it again a version of no

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 1>thank you, I'm not interested. Now this is me saying

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>no twice politely.

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Now if you keep going, you're not going to like it.

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:01.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just got to be otherwise, there's no

1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:05.560
<v Speaker 1>when people can treat people badly and there are no consequences.

1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there have to be a boundaries set.

1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:11.840
<v Speaker 1>When when you can commit crimes in Melbourne with machetes

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and have hundreds of charges and you know you're a

1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>certain age and you will not go to jail, Well,

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of course you're going to keep doing it if you're

1:00:22.240 --> 1:00:27.560
<v Speaker 1>that kind of person, because there's no significant reason not to.

1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.240
<v Speaker 1>This is people do what they think they can get

1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:34.680
<v Speaker 1>away with. I just got political.

1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Fuck you did, Craig.

1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I just I find that stuff so insane.

1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so insane.

1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:47.960
<v Speaker 1>It's so insane. I'm like, and yeah, anyway, I'll be quiet,

1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Lillian. It's been great. Thank you for quizzing me

1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and opening that door. Clearly I have anger issues back

1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in therapy for me, I'll have to book I'll have

1:00:58.760 --> 1:00:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to book in with you.

1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:02.680
<v Speaker 3>I think your anger is super functional. Well, thank you,

1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:05.280
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't seem to be a problem.

1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Tell people how to connect with you.

1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, why don't you visit me at doctor Lilies dot

1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.320
<v Speaker 3>com where you can find lots of free resources and

1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:19.320
<v Speaker 3>if you're interested in reducing your worries, then Contain your

1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Brain is a free app that you can download.

1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And if you want some high performance coaching with Tiff,

1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:30.040
<v Speaker 1>She's very expensive, but word has it on the street

1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:34.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty fucking good. Where can people reach you? Cook gifcook

1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.760
<v Speaker 1>dot com. There you go, boom two ladies to choose

1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:43.120
<v Speaker 1>from both amazing and the fat fuck in the middle.

1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Just you know, how do we reach him?

1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:49.360
<v Speaker 1>No, not at all, at all.

1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:52.480
<v Speaker 3>We want to. You know, we're hoping that you'll be

1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:54.240
<v Speaker 3>in concert and we can come to your show.

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sure, I'll just restring my guitar and get Macallis's

1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 1>back on my fingers and uh maybe me, me, me,

1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:07.960
<v Speaker 1>just tune that voice back in. All right, ladies, we'll

1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 1>say goodbye here, but thanks for that was fun.

1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Bye bye.