WEBVTT - How pro-wrestling shaped Trump

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<v Speaker 1>M.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is standing in the middle of a packed auditorium.

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<v Speaker 2>The sense of excitement is palpable, the air full of

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<v Speaker 2>tension and testosterone. He is commanding the moment. Except this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a Trump rally. It's w w E. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>You're great friends are no match for my Trump towers.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump is here to battle it out against w

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<v Speaker 2>w a's billionaire founder Bence McMahon. The host, don't play over.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Donald Trump, that McMahon, that's happened Russel Lady twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three from Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven AM,

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<v Speaker 2>the now infamous Battle of the Billionaires. It's not the

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<v Speaker 2>only time Trump's appeared in WWE. He's even got a

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<v Speaker 2>spot in the Sports Hall of Fame. But this two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven match against Prince McMahon was a sign

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump's deep connection to pro wrestling, which has shaped

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<v Speaker 2>how he speaks and how he does politics. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>a sign of Trump's long standing friendship with McMahon, which

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<v Speaker 2>he has rewarded by giving his ex wife Linda McMahon

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<v Speaker 2>the Royal Secretary of Education in his new cabinet. Today

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<v Speaker 2>contributed to the Saturday Paper. Joseph Herb on how Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump brought the art of pro wrestling into politics and

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<v Speaker 2>how it helped make him popular. It's Thursday, December five. Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the WWE World Wrestling Entertainment. When did

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<v Speaker 2>you first watch it and what did you love about I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think I first encountered it when I was very young.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a lot of people of my generation, it was

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<v Speaker 4>something that was always in the kind of background culturally,

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<v Speaker 4>and I remember going up the road there were like

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of boys who lived a couple of doors

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<v Speaker 4>up and they were obsessed with it, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>one of those things where I was younger, I was

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<v Speaker 4>on the outer and getting into wrestling was a way

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<v Speaker 4>of kind of connecting with them and getting in with them, hopeful,

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<v Speaker 4>ready for WrestleMania.

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<v Speaker 5>Give me your hell, Yeah, you damn right, because Dom

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<v Speaker 5>col Steve Austin has been shirked around long enough.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember finding it kind of shocking and strange

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<v Speaker 4>and just being enthralled.

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<v Speaker 3>It is in all its fiery sight to see this

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<v Speaker 3>ring so ragged by these ways in one of these men, ladies,

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<v Speaker 3>the gentlemen will be.

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<v Speaker 4>Bored tonight and It's one of those things that more

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<v Speaker 4>recently that I guess I've studied really seeing it as

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<v Speaker 4>a real art form that also has moments which are

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<v Speaker 4>moving and beautiful and authentic, and I think that's exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what wrestling is.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the center of it all was the owner

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<v Speaker 2>of WWA, Vince mcmham. Can you tell me a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about him and the character that he started to play

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<v Speaker 2>as he grew out watching.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Vince McMahon is a really interesting character. Vince was

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the world of wrestling since the sixties. Before Vince,

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<v Speaker 4>the wrestling territories were all separate and he was the

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<v Speaker 4>man who kind of brought them together and united them

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<v Speaker 4>and created the WWE. He was a commentator, but it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't known for some time that he was the man

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<v Speaker 4>calling the shots until it kind of leaked. It became

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<v Speaker 4>public knowledge. He started to attract a lot of negative

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<v Speaker 4>attention from wrestling audiences for the decisions he was making

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<v Speaker 4>as the man in charge.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the owner of the World Wrestling Federation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's McMahon.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you didn't have the longer they I reflect, and

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<v Speaker 4>because he's a very kind of shrewd businessman and creative

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<v Speaker 4>force he realized that he could use that negative attention

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<v Speaker 4>from crowds, and he used that heat and turned himself

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<v Speaker 4>into a character. So for many years he played a

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<v Speaker 4>wrestling character called mister McMahon, who was an extension of

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<v Speaker 4>his real life persona. He was, you know, wearing these big,

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<v Speaker 4>boxy suits and he was strutting into the ring.

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<v Speaker 2>You are bought it line and sacer you are line.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't even my family, even my immediate family bought it.

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<v Speaker 2>Every damn one of you were made fools.

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<v Speaker 4>So he played this kind of arch villain in wrestling

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<v Speaker 4>storylines for many, many years as the Evil Boss who

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<v Speaker 4>was this craven capitalist whose catchphrase was You're fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Screw you, You're fired. Would it be right to say

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<v Speaker 2>that he sounds a little bit like Donald Trump? I

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<v Speaker 2>think so.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean Trump and Vince are close friends. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>writer called Abraham Josephine Riceman who wrote a biography of Vince,

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<v Speaker 4>who has made a pretty convincing case that Vince is

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<v Speaker 4>one of Trump's closest friends. I think Trump was drawn

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<v Speaker 4>to Vince. I mean, Trump is called Vince a great man.

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<v Speaker 2>Vince is an amazing man.

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<v Speaker 1>He really is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're kid, and we have fun.

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<v Speaker 5>But everybody knows he's an amazing guy.

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<v Speaker 4>As these stories that when Trump was last president, when

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<v Speaker 4>Vince would call, Trump would clear the room in order

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<v Speaker 4>to talk to him. And the WWE has its Hall

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<v Speaker 4>of Fame, and it's an honor that has been bestowed

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<v Speaker 4>on Donald Trump, who is an official WWE Hall of

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<v Speaker 4>Fame inductee.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my just think honor to introduce you to the

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<v Speaker 2>newest of the w Hall of Fame class of twenty thirteen. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I Vince seems to have really inspired Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we can really see that Trump has modeled

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<v Speaker 4>his persona on Vince McMahon, not only in the cadence

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<v Speaker 4>of Trump's speech that kind of rambly, insulting, kind of

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<v Speaker 4>generating nicknames, going for jokes, going for laughlines and applause lines.

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<v Speaker 6>You've called women you don't like, fat pigs, dogs, slobs,

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<v Speaker 6>and disgusting animals.

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<v Speaker 7>Your Twitter account.

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<v Speaker 2>Only rotte O'donald.

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<v Speaker 3>Hillary Clynton, commonly referred to as Crooked Hillary, thinks that

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<v Speaker 3>you you, all of you are deplorable and totally irredeemable,

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<v Speaker 3>like we need help to beat sleep be Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>That is very very wrestling, and in particular that's very Vince,

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<v Speaker 4>but also just the content of what Trump says, like

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<v Speaker 4>even if you hate me, you're still paying attention to me,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're still obsessed with me, And that's a very

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<v Speaker 4>old wrestling trick. I mean, there was a rally earlier

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<v Speaker 4>this year where he played a super cut of Kamala

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<v Speaker 4>Harris just mentioning Trump over and over, just constantly talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Him regard it didn't allow that to happen. Last night,

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of made a speech, not much of one

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<v Speaker 5>were they paid for audience, and all she talked about

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<v Speaker 5>was Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone tonight I will speak about Donald Trump, Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, Donald.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's very heel. It's like, even if

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<v Speaker 4>you hate me, how come I'm on your brains all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. So there's this incredibly close friendship between by

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<v Speaker 4>all reports, between Vince and Trump, and it's a case

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<v Speaker 4>of the two men influencing and shaping each other to

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<v Speaker 4>both of the benefit. And that's paid off in a

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<v Speaker 4>big way, I think for Trump in terms of it

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<v Speaker 4>being a key way that he has created popularity. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's also paid off for the McMahons because Linda has

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<v Speaker 4>been appointed to a key position within the Trump cabinet.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break, Linda McMahon enters the arena. Joseph, what

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<v Speaker 2>can you tell me about Vince's ex wife, Linda McMahon

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<v Speaker 2>and how she ended up in the Trump cabinet?

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<v Speaker 4>Linda is interesting. So Linda and Vince matt when they

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<v Speaker 4>were quite young, they co founded Titan Entertainment, which which

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<v Speaker 4>is the company behind WWE.

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<v Speaker 2>Together.

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<v Speaker 4>Their marriage and business partnership was always clearly quite delineated,

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<v Speaker 4>where it would be like Vince is the big, colorful

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<v Speaker 4>character and Linda is the shrewd, sensible, quieter business side

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<v Speaker 4>of proceedings. But there were times when that was muddied.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was this multi episode long storyline about very succession,

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<v Speaker 4>ask about the schisms within the McMahon family, and it

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<v Speaker 4>culminated in Linda on stage in a wheelchair, acting as

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<v Speaker 4>though she was heavily medicated while Vince kissed a wrestler

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<v Speaker 4>that he was meant to be having an affair with.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe he's croppy, kissy trish like that in

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<v Speaker 3>front of his own wine.

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<v Speaker 4>So, if you're part of the wrestling business, particularly in

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<v Speaker 4>the nineties and early two thousands, you're gonna get absorbed

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<v Speaker 4>into a wrestling storyline, and that's exactly what happened to Linda.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Linda McMahon, and I am the chair

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<v Speaker 1>of the America First Policy Institute.

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<v Speaker 4>So Linda has been involved in the Republican Party for

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<v Speaker 4>some time unsuccessfully until she kind of attached herself to Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I perhaps one of the few people who's been privileged

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<v Speaker 1>to call Donald Trump a colleague and a boss, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's also a friend.

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<v Speaker 4>She served as part of Trump's twenty sixteen administration. She's

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<v Speaker 4>also helped in the re election campaign, and she's now

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<v Speaker 4>his pick for Secretary of Education.

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<v Speaker 2>Does she have a background in education.

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<v Speaker 4>She has tried to tell people that the answer to

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<v Speaker 4>that question is yes.

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<v Speaker 7>McMahon's only educational experience is one year serving on the

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<v Speaker 7>Connecticut Board of Education back in two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 7>and years on the board of trustees for Sacred Heart University.

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<v Speaker 4>People who support her will point to the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>when she was a big figure in the WWE, she

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<v Speaker 4>would push literacy programs through wrestlers, kind of do public

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<v Speaker 4>service education that way. But many people have pointed out

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<v Speaker 4>that she has been implicated in a recent lawsuit which

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<v Speaker 4>basically alleges that there was widespread and very well known

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<v Speaker 4>sexual abuse against ring boys, so young men who were

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<v Speaker 4>involved in wrestling matches, and there are some very kind

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<v Speaker 4>of serious allegations that she was part of a culture

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<v Speaker 4>that facilitated and allowed this abuse.

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<v Speaker 6>Long time ringside announcer Melvin Phillips targeted young men from

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<v Speaker 6>disadvantage backgrounds and hired them as ring boys to help

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<v Speaker 6>with wrestling matches. Plaintiffs accused Phillips of abusing them while

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<v Speaker 6>in several states, including here in Maryland.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, Vince is no longer part of the WWE. He

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<v Speaker 4>has had some very serious allegations against him. Vince has

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<v Speaker 4>been implicated in lawsuits and investigations on the way he

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<v Speaker 4>allegedly facilitated abuse of all kinds, and some which focus

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<v Speaker 4>on direct claims on his behavior, including some very serious

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<v Speaker 4>sex trafficking allegations, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of which makes Lynna McMahon a controversial choice to be

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of education.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there has been a lot of criticism of her,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think, you know, a lot very justified. Trump

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<v Speaker 4>has tried to say that she's the owner of this

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<v Speaker 4>extremely successful business. I mean, WWE is a billion dollar company.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's tried to use her success in business as

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<v Speaker 4>as a kind of sign that she knows what's good

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<v Speaker 4>for America's youth and she can teach them in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think we missed when we overlook

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<v Speaker 2>the impact all the influence that pray wrestling has and

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and the way he operates.

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<v Speaker 4>I say this with no glowing secret admiration or anything,

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<v Speaker 4>but we have to take seriously the things that have

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<v Speaker 4>made Trump popular. For years, wrestling has been talked about

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<v Speaker 4>as yeah, oh it's fake, you know. It's talked about

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<v Speaker 4>as at best fictional child's play on the PA for

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<v Speaker 4>reality TV, and at worst a corrupting influence on children.

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<v Speaker 4>And this has come up a lot since Linda has

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<v Speaker 4>been appointed, and there was a kind of slightly patronizing

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<v Speaker 4>view of being like, well, Trump just kind of appeals

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<v Speaker 4>to these baser instincts. And while that's true, this mode

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<v Speaker 4>is very good at generating attention and it is a

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<v Speaker 4>storytelling mode.

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<v Speaker 2>It works.

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<v Speaker 4>It has made Vince McMahon an extremely powerful person. And

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<v Speaker 4>the writer I mentioned earlier, Abraham Josephine Raisman, has spoken

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<v Speaker 4>about us living in a world of Vince McMahon's making

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<v Speaker 4>and if that's true, that's in some respects very very worrying,

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<v Speaker 4>and in order to hopefully change it to a different world,

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<v Speaker 4>we have to take wrestling seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for your time, Joseph.

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<v Speaker 4>A pleasure, a true pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the news today, Green Senator Sarah Hanson Young

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<v Speaker 2>has said that Murdoch Media executives should explain their disregard

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<v Speaker 2>for basic journalistic ethics after News Corp Templot's right identical

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<v Speaker 2>stories mating fossil fuels sponsored by the gas industry. The

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<v Speaker 2>story is published on Monday, which told Australia to quote

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<v Speaker 2>step on the gas We'll pay for by Santos, Gemino

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<v Speaker 2>and Tambourine and part of a week long series. Senator

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<v Speaker 2>hansy Young says she'll be calling Murdock media executives before

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate inquiry into greenwashing, which is due to report

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<v Speaker 2>in February twenty twenty five. And South Korean President Jansukyal

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<v Speaker 2>lived at a declaration of martial law after a night

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<v Speaker 2>of angry protests. The president shocked much of the world

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<v Speaker 2>by declaring martial law in the country for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in nearly fifty years. Citing national security reasons, but

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<v Speaker 2>critics say the move was made in regards to his

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<v Speaker 2>beleague of political position in South Korea, and within hours

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<v Speaker 2>of the announcement, South Korea's parliament voted down the measure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Daniel James seven am will be back tomorrow