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Speaker 1: Gette. Thanks for downloading the show.

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Speaker 2: This is better than yesterday. Useful tools and useful conversations

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Speaker 2: to help make your day to day better than yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Every single week.

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Speaker 2: This is twenty thirteen. My Name'soshi Ginsburg. I'm very grateful

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Speaker 2: that you're here. I want to take you to a

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Speaker 2: cold winter's night in twenty thirteen. I'm driving through Surrey

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Speaker 2: Hills in a delightfully fancy Lexus Higher car that the

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Speaker 2: production company has rented out for me. While I am

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Speaker 2: in Sydney for just a couple of weeks to shoot

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Speaker 2: season one of the Bachelor of Australia. I'm a long

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Speaker 2: way from home, where I live in Los Angeles. I'm

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Speaker 2: recently divorced, recently sober. My evenings are usually spent alone

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Speaker 2: watching TV, trying in vain to stay up late enough

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Speaker 2: at work far away and a big mansion counting flowers.

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Speaker 2: But tonight is different. Rather than eating my dinner in

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Speaker 2: front of the TV once again, I am serving as

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Speaker 2: driver to my dear friend and stand up comic Luke Heggy.

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Speaker 2: He's been on this podcast the number of times by now,

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Speaker 2: but he and I have known each other since we're

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Speaker 2: eight years old. And on this night, Luke is testing

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Speaker 2: out new material for his next festival show. And what

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Speaker 2: that involves is I will drive him from club to

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Speaker 2: club and I will stand there and watch him perform

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Speaker 2: the same five or ten minutes, refining the jokes and

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Speaker 2: the timing of exactly the same material, depending on the

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Speaker 2: audience reactions that he gets across the night. Sometimes he

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Speaker 2: gets up there and he gets huge laughs. Sometimes he

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Speaker 2: gets up there, he takes it into the face, he

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Now.

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Speaker 2: At one of these places, while waiting for Heggy to

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Speaker 2: go on stage, at a club called the Cafe Lounge,

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Speaker 2: which I never understood. Is it a cafe, Is it

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. But it's comedy club.

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Speaker 2: And while I'm waiting for he get to go on,

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Speaker 2: I bump into another great Australian stand up Scott do We,

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Speaker 2: and I'm chatting with Doels about radio for a little while.

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Speaker 1: He was still doing radio here in Sydney.

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Speaker 2: He's in New York now, And when I felt enough confidence,

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, Heydles, how do you feel about coming

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Speaker 2: on my podcast next week?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love that. Tuesday is good for me, brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I'm living over in Francis Street in BONDI text me

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Speaker 2: when you're on the way, and I'll come down and

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Speaker 1: Beauty.

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Speaker 2: Now, what Scott did not know is that I did

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Speaker 2: not have a podcast, nor did I own a microphone

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Speaker 2: anything about how to edit or record or publish a podcast.

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Speaker 2: But now the clock was ticking because he's going to

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Speaker 2: be at my house in four days. So the following

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Speaker 2: I hit record, and off we went. Scott Dooley was

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Speaker 2: the first of what is now well over eleven hundred

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Speaker 2: to hear when I wasn't doing so well, conversations of hope,

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Speaker 2: of inspiration, of people who were once where I was

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Speaker 2: it's one thing to start a podcast, but what the

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Speaker 2: hell are you going to call it? Yeah, I personally

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Speaker 2: For example, my motorbike is a all electric Harley Davidson

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Speaker 2: Live Wire, which is the perfect name for it because

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Speaker 2: that is exactly what it feels like when you twist

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Speaker 2: Black Sabbath sounded like Black Sabbath. Conan there's like a

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Speaker 2: They sound like Conan. Daft Punk sounded like daft punk.

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Speaker 2: So when I published my first episode of this podcast

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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Osha Ginsburg Podcast. A weekly

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Speaker 2: And that name of that show did the job for many, many,

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Speaker 2: many years. But over time, the confiscations which were happening

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Speaker 2: someone who's not afraid of an aggressive rebrand, I changed

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Speaker 2: the podcast title to Better Than Yesterday with Loshikinsburg. It

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Speaker 2: self development can be exhausting, Like fuck, when am I

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Speaker 2: ever done? How much more rigorous introspection must I carry out?

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Speaker 2: When do I finally get to where it's just okay?

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Speaker 1: For fuck's sake?

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Speaker 2: These are all very valid critiques of any kind of

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Speaker 2: gone through periods where I feel like this, Can I

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Speaker 2: I get to ask myself what do I get out

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Speaker 2: More often than not, what I get out of resisting

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Speaker 2: But here's where I say something that sounds like a

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Speaker 2: a healthier, happier, longer, and more vital life if we

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Speaker 2: It's not only the pursuit of mastery in your craft,

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Speaker 2: And I've always been fascinated with how certain cultural practices

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Speaker 2: I'm also grateful that these ritualized practices can be replicated

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Speaker 2: The humble quest for improvement of ourselves unlocks a cascade

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Speaker 2: And as you've just heard, some cultures revere this dedication

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Speaker 1: Handicap in golf.

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Speaker 1: Bringing on microphones and they're coming up to v Fair

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Speaker 2: Like those guys, they be very gifted people who have

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Speaker 2: and they'll think that's the greatest thing ever trying to

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Speaker 2: to listen to this stuff. In the words of my

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Speaker 2: this show, Double Figures. The late great John Ferreter. John

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Speaker 2: used to tell me, only you know how hard you've

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Speaker 1: The rest is up to you.

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Speaker 2: It's a bold claim to call your podcast better than

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Speaker 1: Work is absolutely absolutely worth it. Thanks for listening. I'll

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Speaker 1: see you on Wednesday.