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Speaker 4: On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are
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Speaker 5: At Thank you for having me, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming in. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, Natt is my natural path and she has helped
Speaker 4: me so much.
Speaker 1: Like obviously, I've done it all.
Speaker 4: I've done the pill, I had the rod in my arm,
Speaker 4: hated them all, had the marina and then I kind
Speaker 4: of spoke to Nat actually about taking out the marina,
Speaker 4: and she was like, this is a great idea, right,
Speaker 4: I loved it first.
Speaker 1: I did love it at first.
Speaker 5: I did love it first, and I think that's important
Speaker 5: to actually point out because a lot of women do
Speaker 5: love it first, and there's nothing wrong with that if
Speaker 5: it works for you. About having all the information.
Speaker 4: It's interesting, right because I was like the biggest advocate
Speaker 4: for the marina, which I kind of feel a little
Speaker 4: bit bad about it.
Speaker 5: I don't think that you have to feel bad because
Speaker 5: it works until it doesn't.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: So the first my first experience, because I don't know
Speaker 4: if I've told you this, Matt was a really great experience.
Speaker 4: Actually getting it in was a terrible experience. But after
Speaker 4: it was put in, I had five years of bliss,
Speaker 4: like didn't think about contraception once.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 4: The marine is the right, Yeah, no, the marina goes
Speaker 4: Oh that thing that you just had goes in the.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sits in like a little T shape in
Speaker 5: the uterus. Yeah, it's like a little it literally is
Speaker 5: a rod that sits in there.
Speaker 3: Say it's like oh okay, well yeah, I like I
Speaker 3: don't know much about this sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: So you're about to get it in education. So yeah,
Speaker 4: so great experience. Second time I had it in, I
Speaker 4: went under because of my first bad experience of getting
Speaker 4: it put in. But then after that I felt really
Speaker 4: uncomfortable and like during sex it was quite sore, just
Speaker 4: you know when intuitively something feels wrong, like I felt
Speaker 4: like they put it in wrong.
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to be like, hey, I.
Speaker 4: Think you put this in wrong, because they'd probably be like,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You know nothing?
Speaker 5: How do you know how you feel?
Speaker 4: That's the thing, right, is like we aren't really taught
Speaker 4: growing up to listen to our bodies.
Speaker 5: We're not taught at all. And this is my I'm
Speaker 5: not here to say you should or you shouldn't. I
Speaker 5: just want everyone to have information, and especially I've got
Speaker 5: a fifteen nearly fifteen year old, and the more I
Speaker 5: can help her understand, the less she fears it, the
Speaker 5: more she knows when she's actually fertile when she's not,
Speaker 5: and she can make choices around that. But to flatline
Speaker 5: your hormones all the time, it doesn't come without issues.
Speaker 5: As you worked out, and I'm so interested to see
Speaker 5: how you feel moving forward, not being on any birth
Speaker 5: control because women will say to me nine and a
Speaker 5: half times out of ten, I didn't know what it
Speaker 5: was like to feel like me. Yeah, because it changes
Speaker 5: your brain, it changes your hormones, and so therefore you
Speaker 5: don't feel like you actually are a different version of yourself.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what a lot of women are discovering.
Speaker 1: I already feel better.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie like when I initially got the
Speaker 4: Marina taken out, I was in the dumbs like I was.
Speaker 1: Soty got it. I googled it and it said I
Speaker 1: was having a hormone crash.
Speaker 3: I think, would you say that the marina and that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff suppress your natural life?
Speaker 5: Well, the marina works with the bit differently, so the
Speaker 5: pill definitely flatlines everything. We know that, so the hormones
Speaker 5: within the oral contraceptive pill just keep everything the same.
Speaker 2: Correct it It's.
Speaker 5: Not because there's there's benefits to your hormones cycling and
Speaker 5: how you feel and your mentrual cycle is different every
Speaker 5: single day. If you think about what my hormones were
Speaker 5: doing yesterday and what they're going to do tomorrow is
Speaker 5: completely different, and how is going to be correct and
Speaker 5: sometimes that's a good thing and sometimes but having said that,
Speaker 5: there are times where you're at your peak and you're awesome,
Speaker 5: and you would notice that whereas you don't get those
Speaker 5: ebbs and flows on birth control. And let's just say also,
Speaker 5: there are people on birth control for many reasons, not
Speaker 5: just contraception. And so we're not sitting here going you
Speaker 5: should stop, but we've got to look at why someone's
Speaker 5: taking it.
Speaker 3: For other reasons. Like I remember back at school, girls
Speaker 3: would take it, particularlyar their.
Speaker 2: Skin up and stuff like that. Did you do it
Speaker 2: for weight loss? I don't know, you do.
Speaker 1: I think you put it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you tend to most most girls put on weight.
Speaker 5: But the problem with the acne, which is really common,
Speaker 5: is it doesn't treat the reason why you're getting acne.
Speaker 5: So that's problem because when you come off, then your
Speaker 5: acne comes flooding back because it was never actually addressed.
Speaker 5: And the only way we can really know that is
Speaker 5: to test someone's hormones to see what they're doing. So
Speaker 5: it's a very end.
Speaker 2: As a kid, that's probably something that's fucked up.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: It can have long term This is the other thing.
Speaker 5: Any medication has side effects for implications and It's one
Speaker 5: thing to take it, but then what can you do
Speaker 5: whilst you're on that to support your body. We don't
Speaker 5: I live for this day where your GP says, hey,
Speaker 5: we're going to give you a marina, but we kind
Speaker 5: of know it does. I imbalance things, it does upset
Speaker 5: our gut health. It does that, which has a flow
Speaker 5: on effect. How about also you take a multivitem multi
Speaker 5: mineral of fish oil and maybe some probiotics to support
Speaker 5: you and that when not there yet, that still doesn't We're.
Speaker 2: Case a morning wine and an evening wine and.
Speaker 4: It's like you're probably o ding on vitamins, so let's
Speaker 4: carry well.
Speaker 3: Nah, I just sing up with so much other shit
Speaker 3: in my body, Like may as well like level it
Speaker 3: up with some clean stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah? Good, Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's definitely interesting because I had a chat with NAT
Speaker 4: and then I went to my gynecologist and he was like,
Speaker 4: this is a terrible idea. He's like, because I said,
Speaker 4: I just want to get it out and he was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you a week.
Speaker 1: To think about this, and I was like, so we
Speaker 1: can't get it out today and he was like no,
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 4: Something that's stuck with me is he said, women aren't
Speaker 4: supposed to get their periods every month. Back in the
Speaker 4: olden days, women would get pregnant at like seventeen, and
Speaker 4: then they would probably keep getting pregnant throughout their life,
Speaker 4: and so you're not meant to have your period every month.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that just seems so contradictory to
Speaker 4: anything I've ever heard.
Speaker 5: I this is a common conversation that people are having
Speaker 5: with their health providers, not all health providers, but to me,
Speaker 5: it is extremely lazy to suggest that you're not supposed
Speaker 5: to have a period, because here's the reality of that.
Speaker 5: Say you're seventeen and you fall pregnant and then you're
Speaker 5: lactating as well, so you're breastfeeding your baby. A lot
Speaker 5: of women don't get their period when they're breastfeeding, so
Speaker 5: you go through a period of time where you don't.
Speaker 5: But the minute your body starts ovulating again, you're going
Speaker 5: to get a period. Now, if you fall pregnant again,
Speaker 5: then of course your period's going to go away. But
Speaker 5: if you don't, your period's still going to be there
Speaker 5: every month. So I was like, that doesn't even make sense,
Speaker 5: because if you're not pregnant or lactating, then you're going
Speaker 5: to be hopefully ovulating and getting a period. I understand
Speaker 5: that times have changed, but to shut down any body system,
Speaker 5: it's like saying, oh, I don't think you need to
Speaker 5: move your bowels anymore. We're just gonna literally just gonna
Speaker 5: stop that. It's like, that's the most ridiculous thing I've
Speaker 5: ever heard. There's nothing in our bodies that don't serve
Speaker 5: a purpose, so to suggest that, it's very common to
Speaker 5: suggest that, and it's believed that we don't need it.
Speaker 5: But in the circles that I exist in especially, and
Speaker 5: I think you're going to see a lot more of this.
Speaker 5: In functional medicine, your period is really a report card
Speaker 5: of your hormones and you get that feedback every month,
Speaker 5: and if there's a problem with it, then you get
Speaker 5: to look at that and you go, Okay, i've had
Speaker 5: pain this month, or it hasn't been comfortable, or it
Speaker 5: was early or it was late, Like what is my
Speaker 5: body telling me? And you can use those symptoms and
Speaker 5: signs as clues as to what to do next.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I.
Speaker 4: Had a chat with you, and I think after coming
Speaker 4: off of contraception, sometimes it can be hard for women
Speaker 4: to get their period back, So you did an acupuncture
Speaker 4: point on me to help me get it back, and
Speaker 4: literally woke up the next morning had my period.
Speaker 1: I was like fuck, I was. I was like, thank
Speaker 1: you that, but also damn it.
Speaker 5: I think it was the sum of many things. I
Speaker 5: think it was the timing of the acupuncture. I think
Speaker 5: it was like, you know that there are accupuncture sequences
Speaker 5: that you can use to promote ovulation and get a period,
Speaker 5: and sometimes it can help to speed things up for
Speaker 5: women that have missed circles. Altogether, it can help with
Speaker 5: that as well. But I think it was it was good,
Speaker 5: good time, and look the thing when you came in
Speaker 5: you were also really sick. So I was like, we
Speaker 5: actually have to treat that first. That's my priority over
Speaker 5: you getting your period back. You don't need your period
Speaker 5: right now to be healthy. We need to support your
Speaker 5: immune system a little bit better. But we got we
Speaker 5: got the double way.
Speaker 4: I let's talk about acupuncture because I feel like not
Speaker 4: a lot of people know about it. I did a
Speaker 4: poll saying on my Instagram story saying have you ever
Speaker 4: had acupuncture before? And I think it was like thirty
Speaker 4: percent of people had had it and.
Speaker 5: Different yes, yes, but different. So dry needling is really common.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have had dry needling.
Speaker 5: They've gone to their my therapists, their physio, their cairo,
Speaker 5: their osteo, and it's that dry need a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit stick it where it hurts and
Speaker 5: stimulated until you're like feeling like you're, you know, been
Speaker 5: nailed to a tree.
Speaker 3: They were bringing it in my shoulder and that's something
Speaker 3: I actually felt, not too bad.
Speaker 5: He walked out like this. So dry needling, yes, intercepts
Speaker 5: the message to the brain helps to relax the muscle.
Speaker 5: Like it's really good for musculoskeletal treatments where you get
Speaker 5: pain within the body. But acupuncture is another layer to
Speaker 5: that again where I mean, I went to university for
Speaker 5: four years to learn how to properly use acupunture as
Speaker 5: a tool. And there's many ways that it's it's been
Speaker 5: proven to work, and there's many theories about how it
Speaker 5: does work. Traditionally, it's it's a little we use meridians
Speaker 5: and it's it's a little bit like corridors. I explain
Speaker 5: it that you open and close doors to influence how
Speaker 5: energy in the body is moving. And we say that
Speaker 5: every organ has a meridian and a maridian you know
Speaker 5: that goes down an arm or down a leg, and
Speaker 5: so we use various points to change the way the
Speaker 5: body's working. Essentially, we know that certain points, well, there's
Speaker 5: one acupunch of point that's been researched because there's no
Speaker 5: money in researching acupunch of points, let's be honest, So
Speaker 5: why we're researching it. But it is definitely been proven
Speaker 5: to reduce all inflammation in the body.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: And because it communicates with the vagus nerves, so we
Speaker 5: know it works. And when it's been studied under observation
Speaker 5: where they've injected die. These meridians that I talk about,
Speaker 5: which aren't like a vein or a vessel or they're
Speaker 5: not actually something that we physically see, but they are
Speaker 5: a space that exists between muscles, tendons, bones, and there
Speaker 5: actually has been proven that the meridian exists. So we've
Speaker 5: got a lot more to learn. But I want to
Speaker 5: know who the first person was that was sitting under
Speaker 5: a tree one day three thousand years ago. I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna pop this point down here and oh, look, your
Speaker 5: headaches gone. So there's lots of theories as to how
Speaker 5: it works. At the end of the day. I've been
Speaker 5: utilizing acupunchy inclining for nineteen years, which makes me feel
Speaker 5: really old, and the results still surprise me today, Like
Speaker 5: I'm still ark and it's you know, so it's good.
Speaker 5: It's really good. And I think one of the other
Speaker 5: things we know is it reduces stress dramatically. So therefore,
Speaker 5: when someone we can move them out of a state
Speaker 5: of fight and flight into an optimal state, then their
Speaker 5: body's going to work better.
Speaker 1: Now, I say, you've moved me out of some fut
Speaker 1: and fly.
Speaker 4: At times I've gone in and there's been I've been like,
Speaker 4: I'm very stress and I'm not sleeping that well, had
Speaker 4: some acupuncture. I actually do feel better. Yeah, migraine's good
Speaker 4: for migraines.
Speaker 2: I want to try it out.
Speaker 5: Come on in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you can do to me?
Speaker 1: Go to the Pokoda tree.
Speaker 2: You love it.
Speaker 5: Take this challenge up for a challenge.
Speaker 1: That's like, I'm riddled with anxiety.
Speaker 2: Good right now, I love some Look did you bring
Speaker 2: your needles with you?
Speaker 5: Actually? Sorry, we should have done.
Speaker 2: This live done like that.
Speaker 4: There's so many different forms of birth control, and obviously
Speaker 4: I have now at thirty, decided.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put any more hormones in.
Speaker 4: My body, and I have decided to use the Daisy,
Speaker 4: which I feel like a lot of people wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Know about because I had no idea what the Daisy was.
Speaker 4: So maybe do you want to explain the type of
Speaker 4: birth control that I am now using? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure, So Daisy is a device almost like a tiny
Speaker 5: computer that you take your basil body temperature every morning
Speaker 5: and it records it. And we've been using basil body
Speaker 5: temperature to record cycles for ever, for moons, so that
Speaker 5: part of it's not revolutionary, But the fact is that
Speaker 5: Daisy learns your cycle and over around three months, it's
Speaker 5: able to become more and more accurate in pinpointing your
Speaker 5: fertile and nonfertile days. So it's pretty cool. It's been
Speaker 5: around for around forty years. This technology and the rhythm
Speaker 5: that it used is based on over five million women's cycles,
Speaker 5: so you're getting very accurate data to the point where
Speaker 5: now it's around ninety nine point four percent accurate at
Speaker 5: pinpointing your non fertile days.
Speaker 2: So what do you do?
Speaker 5: So the device itself, you literally it kind of looks
Speaker 5: like a thermometer on one end, and it's got a
Speaker 5: little tiny computer on the other end, and you just
Speaker 5: every morning, Yeah, you just press the button, put it
Speaker 5: under your tongue and it beats when you finish, and
Speaker 5: that's it. That's all you have to do. And then
Speaker 5: you can sink, well you would want to probably at
Speaker 5: some point over the circle, sink it to the app
Speaker 5: so you can see the data on an interface.
Speaker 4: And it says like fertile, not fertile, or like still
Speaker 4: working you out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like a like a flow app sort
Speaker 3: of thing, but it grows off your temperature.
Speaker 5: So great, great question. So yes, any app that you're
Speaker 5: using that you're not putting in data as your basil
Speaker 5: body temperature is only guessing your ovulation based on the
Speaker 5: last month. This is actually able to predict and confirm correct.
Speaker 5: So the temperature is the key. And there's other devices
Speaker 5: out there that use these methods.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: The difference with Daisies, it's been around for forty years.
Speaker 5: It's the og. It's the og of this. I've I
Speaker 5: used to work with the brand years ago, and even
Speaker 5: then I was like it was streets ahead of the rest.
Speaker 5: One thing I do want to say is we can't
Speaker 5: call it contraception because it's not a device, so like
Speaker 5: a marina is an actual fitted device, it's not a
Speaker 5: barrier method, so a condom is a protection contraception. But
Speaker 5: this is actually helping you to practice what we call
Speaker 5: fertility awareness, knowing when you're firtile, knowing when you're not,
Speaker 5: and doing whatever the hell you want to do with that.
Speaker 1: It's up to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean. And then it's making
Speaker 5: decisions based on that, so you know, to me, it's
Speaker 5: a game changer for a lot of women. Some women
Speaker 5: can't be on birth control for whatever reason that doesn't
Speaker 5: agree with them. Some women want to come off but
Speaker 5: don't trust themselves. And also, if you've been on birth
Speaker 5: control for ten fifteen years and you come up off,
Speaker 5: you are not going to have a clue what's going on.
Speaker 5: So to have something that confirms that you can feel like, Okay,
Speaker 5: well I'm actively watching what's happening here and learning is
Speaker 5: a bit of a backup plan.
Speaker 4: Well that's interesting, right, because I feel like growing up,
Speaker 4: my mom has drummed into me, do not have sex
Speaker 4: without using protection you will get pregnant. And after talking
Speaker 4: to that, I realize that that's actually a full blown lie.
Speaker 5: But we're all taught that. We're all taught that.
Speaker 4: And it's just not the truth. Like only fertile for
Speaker 4: like twelve hours or something.
Speaker 5: Well, yes, but then we would still if we wanted
Speaker 5: to be cautious, we would generally we pulled that over
Speaker 5: three or four days, just to be kextra safe. Well, A,
Speaker 5: we don't know at what moment of the day you ovulate.
Speaker 5: B Sperm can last for up to five days, so
Speaker 5: we want to have we want to be and date.
Speaker 5: This is the thing I love about Daisy. It's extremely conservative.
Speaker 5: It won't tell you your non fertile if you're not
Speaker 5: out of that window, which is nice. Also, you'll be
Speaker 5: able to line it up with your own body clues.
Speaker 5: So when you ovulate, it's the day you look in
Speaker 5: the mirror and you're like, uh oh, really good to that.
Speaker 1: I've heard this right you hotter?
Speaker 5: Yeah you do right? Can I tell you you probably?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Absolutely. But also just to the point of your mum,
Speaker 5: your body is trying to set you up for pregnancy
Speaker 5: every day of your circle. It doesn't mean you're fertile
Speaker 5: every day of your cycle. It's trying to put you
Speaker 5: in an optimum position for pregnancy to occur, and it
Speaker 5: should conception not happen. That is that egg that's released
Speaker 5: in ovulation and sperm not meat up. Then the circle
Speaker 5: repeats itself again and it gets ready for the next month.
Speaker 5: So you know, mum wasn't completely wrong in that sense.
Speaker 5: She's wrong in the sense that you have sexful pregnant
Speaker 5: every time. But we've got to understand that, yes, there
Speaker 5: are certain peaks and troughins in the circle, but ovulation
Speaker 5: you generally feel good. Your body wants you to go
Speaker 5: out and meets I want to make a baby. It
Speaker 5: makes you lak fabulous I heard.
Speaker 4: I've heard so many interesting things, like I heard that
Speaker 4: when you're ovulating, your face looks more symmetrical men, And
Speaker 4: then I've also heard that you want to dress and
Speaker 4: sexier clothes and.
Speaker 5: Your voice is higher pitched because for some reason that's attractive.
Speaker 5: Sounds like a chipmunk and we attracted. Isn't that hilarious though?
Speaker 5: When you're ovulating, Oh yeah, you're like basically a whole
Speaker 5: vibe when you're ovulating, and then they would come down
Speaker 5: the other side and then you're like wanting to kill.
Speaker 1: You didn't get me pregnant again. Oh God, how funny.
Speaker 5: But it's all this stuff we were never really taught,
Speaker 5: or if we were, we never connected the dots. I
Speaker 5: think we were taught. Ovulation has to happen for conception
Speaker 5: at least there has to be an egg and a
Speaker 5: sperm have to meat, but the process of that only
Speaker 5: happening once a month. We weren't taught that. I wasn't anyway.
Speaker 5: The other thing I do want to say, and I
Speaker 5: think it's really important. A couple of things I want
Speaker 5: to say to that is that barrier methods the only
Speaker 5: way to protect we protect ourselves against sti's And if
Speaker 5: you're on birth control, chances are unless you're using a condom,
Speaker 5: you're not protecting yourself. And I think that's really important,
Speaker 5: especially for I say, my you know, the younger generation,
Speaker 5: my daughter's generation. I'm like, you guys need to realize this.
Speaker 3: We always promote safe sex. There's enough of it in Australia.
Speaker 5: About enough sex, or.
Speaker 3: I mean like promoting safe sex, like like I know,
Speaker 3: I spoken to a couple of like American girls, and
Speaker 3: over there it's pretty big that they're hounded that they
Speaker 3: need to wear condoms all the time.
Speaker 2: But I don't feel like here it is.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's a bit more like that.
Speaker 2: We're too relaxed, relaxed about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really relax it's almost like cool to not wear
Speaker 4: a condoms because it's like, I don't want to wear
Speaker 4: a condoms.
Speaker 5: Especially if you're having sex with multiple partners. Like I
Speaker 5: think it's really important for young this next generation to
Speaker 5: realize that just being on the pill doesn't actually help
Speaker 5: you there at all. And I'm at the point where
Speaker 5: I also treat a lot of women for fertility reasons,
Speaker 5: and STIs can be a big factor for fertility as
Speaker 5: to why women aren't falling pregnant, and sometimes.
Speaker 2: It's undiagnosed for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what type of STDs would have?
Speaker 2: What is it now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Safe, change it to SDI. But STDs is what I
Speaker 5: grew up.
Speaker 4: What type of STIs hinder women's fertility?
Speaker 5: That I'll never forget the one time I sat in
Speaker 5: on surgery a laproscopy with a surgeon and it was
Speaker 5: for they were doing a laproscopy for fertility purposes. This
Speaker 5: woman wasn't falling pregnant. So the only way we can
Speaker 5: really know sometimes what is actually happening is with a laproscopy,
Speaker 5: you can't. Sometimes you can't detect endometriosis or other issues
Speaker 5: virus scan. In fact, most times you can't. I'd say
Speaker 5: every time, you can't always, And so it was for
Speaker 5: fertility purposes. This one was trying to feel pregnant and
Speaker 5: she wasn't having any success. And that's I remember sitting
Speaker 5: there and he's gone and he's like, oh, she's full
Speaker 5: of chlamydia. Close her up, like that's it done, and
Speaker 5: so he could see it.
Speaker 1: You can see it, you can see what does it
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm a surgeon, how I'm picturing gremons.
Speaker 5: I would say it would look it would look pretty infected.
Speaker 5: I would say it would look pretty bad. And also,
Speaker 5: if you don't know this about you, I teach women
Speaker 5: how to read their signs. So this is gross, but
Speaker 5: women have discharge and it changes, and if you're not
Speaker 5: used to seeing that, and the pill will absolutely suppress that,
Speaker 5: then you don't even have these clues yourself. You don't
Speaker 5: know how to read them. Whereas I have been through
Speaker 5: personally changes with my cervix where I've had to monitor
Speaker 5: that and you know that's because of abnormal patsmes and
Speaker 5: whatever else. And truly you can see when something's not healthy,
Speaker 5: and you can see when something is and it's either
Speaker 5: that it's a funny color, or it smells, or it
Speaker 5: just isn't right. So if that's you, and don't be
Speaker 5: afraid of that. It's important. Your body is serving you
Speaker 5: signs that you need to go and then get answers
Speaker 5: to And a lot of these things are treatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well chlamydia is just the two pills, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think the problem is when it's left
Speaker 5: over a long period of time, it becomes really tricky
Speaker 5: to treat and has other implications as well.
Speaker 4: So didn't you think you had chlamydia and you were like,
Speaker 4: just give me the medication.
Speaker 3: I had a girl message me and say, hey, I've
Speaker 3: got chamydia.
Speaker 2: Get yourself checked.
Speaker 3: And I was like all right. So I went to
Speaker 3: the doctors and he's like, well we need to test.
Speaker 2: You're like day.
Speaker 3: Mother was like, just give me the just told me this,
Speaker 3: but he's like, no, we insist you do the test
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: So did the test. I actually never had an STI right,
Speaker 2: believe it or not.
Speaker 1: So he took the meds and not.
Speaker 3: Actually, I did the test before I took the med
Speaker 3: so I didn't. They came back and he told me
Speaker 3: we didn't have anything. But I was like, well, I've
Speaker 3: already taken the meds.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like this girl message you saying that, don't
Speaker 2: waste your time like the test. But I did it.
Speaker 2: So I went and did it. And then yeah, but
Speaker 2: I've never had one.
Speaker 5: You were negative.
Speaker 2: I was negative. Good job positive mind though, yeah.
Speaker 3: Saying positive, keeping the test, but yeah, I've never had
Speaker 3: one in my illustrious career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's keep it that way.
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you a question in regards to
Speaker 4: the daisy because I found this interesting. So you told
Speaker 4: me that if the daisy comes up that I'm not
Speaker 4: fertile at the moment, that I can still technically have
Speaker 4: sex and it can be unprotected.
Speaker 5: You can be unprotected, and and you won't for pregnant.
Speaker 4: And I won't fall pregnant with a complete finish involved
Speaker 4: with ejaculation.
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I think she's waiting for me.
Speaker 5: It is like charades.
Speaker 1: Comes inside me. But I mean, here we are.
Speaker 5: We were talking about periods discharge. Now we're at sperm and.
Speaker 1: The generation ejaculation.
Speaker 5: Absolutely once Daisy has learnt you. Yes. The nice thing
Speaker 5: about Daisy is that she will give you non fertile indication,
Speaker 5: fertile indication, and unsure, and if she's unsure, you should
Speaker 5: be unsure as well. That's where you would use a
Speaker 5: barrier method, especially as she's learning you. So she'll give
Speaker 5: you a red light for when you.
Speaker 1: Are fertile, like, don't do it, it's red.
Speaker 5: Unless you are obviously, we also women use it to
Speaker 5: for pregnant. Yeah, and Daisy can also tell you if
Speaker 5: you're pregnant. That's something else that just to put on
Speaker 5: the radar.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So if the three lights come on,
Speaker 1: then I'll know I'm pregnant. I will have a heart attack.
Speaker 5: But that's never happened to me, so so yeah, you
Speaker 5: can when you're When you're green, then you are absolutely
Speaker 5: out of the woods and you will not be in
Speaker 5: a position.
Speaker 1: Green means thank you, Matt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's smart.
Speaker 2: To reassure everyone can.
Speaker 5: Daisy will know if you're pregnant, which actually is amazing
Speaker 5: for the environment because plastic pregnancy tests and landfill and
Speaker 5: especially if you've been trying for a long time, you
Speaker 5: will go through a lot of those. So I've gone
Speaker 5: through a lot of pregnancy tests and I've always been
Speaker 5: on like hormonal contraception, so I'm really unsure why I
Speaker 5: have done them.
Speaker 2: Also, though it seems like you're just being a bit dramatic.
Speaker 5: Drama, but the efficacy of birth control. Birth control fails
Speaker 5: people all the time. Yeah, people feel pregnant whilst on
Speaker 5: birth control. So you know you're not crazy. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: does happen.
Speaker 1: What was that trick you told me that the man
Speaker 1: just has to we.
Speaker 5: Before Oh, that's withdrawal method. Yes, so if you are
Speaker 5: not if he's not ejaculating, and he's withdrawing the correct way,
Speaker 5: the correct method of withdrawal, that makes it ninety four
Speaker 5: percent effective. Is what I always learned when I did
Speaker 5: all of my education, is that you have to make
Speaker 5: sure that his peede. And if you were to have
Speaker 5: sex more than once in a sitting sitting, I don't
Speaker 5: you call that a session, then they need to pee again.
Speaker 2: In between classifiers having sex.
Speaker 5: Then if he is ejaculated, he needs to pee before
Speaker 5: he ejaculates again because they can still be live sperm,
Speaker 5: you know, in they're ready to in the chamber.
Speaker 1: It's funny that we're a little lingo we've got going.
Speaker 3: I just think a whole other topic is are recounting
Speaker 3: it when he ejaculates and finishes.
Speaker 5: Because it is because she's not at any risk of
Speaker 5: making herself pregnant unless they're sperm.
Speaker 3: There having but sex finishes when he finishes.
Speaker 2: That's a whole.
Speaker 5: Argue with the messenger. But yes, and obviously again it
Speaker 5: needs to be practiced with perfect use to be ninety
Speaker 5: four percent effective. You know, people will say, oh, but
Speaker 5: do you ejaculate them, like, yeah, well, hello, that could
Speaker 5: definitely result in pregnancy, So there's a reliability on the
Speaker 5: male to actually know that as well.
Speaker 4: How does being on hormonal contraception affect your gut health.
Speaker 5: Any medication, not just the pill? But I would say
Speaker 5: the pill is one of the most common medications that
Speaker 5: women use.
Speaker 2: Would you say taking anything orally is going to like
Speaker 2: if mess you up?
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, that's what we know. We know that it impacts
Speaker 5: the bacteria. We know that the pill specifically depletes vitamins
Speaker 5: and minerals except for iron. It's the only thing it
Speaker 5: doesn't deplete because you're not bleeding, so well, if you are,
Speaker 5: it's kind of controlled and a lot of women will
Speaker 5: use it for heavy bleeding without looking at while they're
Speaker 5: bleeding heavy, which is another conversation. So we know it
Speaker 5: does that, and it really on on the overall. It
Speaker 5: really does disrupt the integrity of the gut. So that
Speaker 5: can be the gut wall, that can be the lining,
Speaker 5: that can be the bacteria and other things that exist.
Speaker 5: It's just that's just the way it is, just what
Speaker 5: it does.
Speaker 1: I've spoken to.
Speaker 4: You about how I'm a little bit worried about my
Speaker 4: gut health because I have been on for most antibiotics,
Speaker 4: like especially in the past year. I reckon I have
Speaker 4: just been doing like back to back antiotics, and I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm just so off balance. If anyone else
Speaker 4: is at home listening to this, also worried about their
Speaker 4: gut health, what's some things that people can do to
Speaker 4: really improve that.
Speaker 5: I love that question. I think we underestimate food when
Speaker 5: it comes to we want the probot, it, give me
Speaker 5: the tablet, give me more, give me more things. Is
Speaker 5: there another thing that I can take for that?
Speaker 2: What did I have the other day?
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a sunburn and I was like, I
Speaker 3: was like, my girlfriend, I will just take a tablet
Speaker 3: that I'll get rid of it.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, there's no tablet that fixes. That's
Speaker 2: my mentality.
Speaker 5: I'll just like, you can take fish oil for some
Speaker 5: burn you can increase your dose. I don't advocate for
Speaker 5: you being some burnt, but but if you were to be,
Speaker 5: you can use fish or for the inflammation. It works
Speaker 5: really well.
Speaker 2: I take three in the morning.
Speaker 5: Three I would have probably added an extra dose in
Speaker 5: there just while you were burned. You might have need
Speaker 5: some more visits to the bathroom. But so pre and
Speaker 5: probiotics really important. Probiotics. We see them, you buy them
Speaker 5: over the counter. They helped to re establish the good
Speaker 5: gut bacteria because after antibiotics, everything gets cleared out, and
Speaker 5: that it's like chopping down all the trees in a
Speaker 5: forest and then maybe just releasing some snakes and rabbits
Speaker 5: and that's it, and that's all you've got colonizing that
Speaker 5: that forest. What we you want to do is recolonize
Speaker 5: everything that's in the forest, and that takes time. But
Speaker 5: also it's not just the probiotic, it's the probiotics. It's
Speaker 5: the foods that help the probotics to flourish that are
Speaker 5: actually more important. Than the probiotic. So foods that are
Speaker 5: rich in fiber are generally those that are the probiotics.
Speaker 5: So I love patients to have high fiber yeah, in
Speaker 5: their diet as a way of doing that. And then
Speaker 5: obviously less processed inflammatory foods, so the sugar, the gluten,
Speaker 5: and the dairy. A lot of people can't have those
Speaker 5: in the first place, but if your gut's compromised, it's
Speaker 5: not really in its best performance to actually assimilate those,
Speaker 5: So we might need less of those whilst we're recovering,
Speaker 5: and then once we've recovered, we can introduce those foods.
Speaker 2: Will we talking about high fiber stuff in hum? Was
Speaker 2: that on an episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. We were talking about having more fiber.
Speaker 5: I have to say so I've always advocate for high fiber,
Speaker 5: but actually in more recent times, I've been getting patients
Speaker 5: to have their fiber at the beginning of their meal
Speaker 5: and it's been an absolute game changer. It balances your
Speaker 5: blood sugar, which for my patients helps to balance their hormones.
Speaker 5: It reduces inflammation. So it would mean starting your meal
Speaker 5: with a small salad or eating your broccoli before your protein,
Speaker 5: or maybe a handful of almonds or a handful of popcorn.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like you know how you stretch before
Speaker 5: a workout. It's like setting the gut up to digest.
Speaker 1: So I like that I had an apple on the
Speaker 1: way here.
Speaker 4: Good job, well done, because I was feeling up the
Speaker 4: car and I was like, Nat did tell me to
Speaker 4: have an apple?
Speaker 1: And there was as I was waiting, it was just
Speaker 1: staring me in the face, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to buy that.
Speaker 2: You read something better than like two coffees for energy
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 5: Probably they have good coffee as well. We have to
Speaker 5: have balance here, don't We.
Speaker 2: Don't get up.
Speaker 3: We've taken our lists on a coffee.
Speaker 4: We sometimes talk about coffee for like fifteen minutes when
Speaker 4: we've like not had our coffee early enough in the morning.
Speaker 1: It's not okay.
Speaker 4: We're actually both like really raining it in this year
Speaker 4: because we were doing back to bad coff That's why.
Speaker 3: We've got this small regular and they gave me a
Speaker 3: small and.
Speaker 2: Like to take the small anything.
Speaker 5: I tell you, if you were to have an apple,
Speaker 5: a handful of almonds, an apple and the coffee, your
Speaker 5: blood sugar wouldn't spik if if you just had either
Speaker 5: the coffee or just the apple. The will make the difference.
Speaker 5: So a bit of a combination. Also, you don't probably
Speaker 5: want the coffee on an empty stomach. You probably want
Speaker 5: to my This is.
Speaker 3: Some information that I've always taken with me. My year
Speaker 3: ten drama teacher, she said she was like finishing her
Speaker 3: lunch because we come back from lunch and she was
Speaker 3: eating an apple, and she was like, an apple cleanses
Speaker 3: the pellet. It works better than the palette, palette your mouth.
Speaker 3: So I always eat an apple.
Speaker 2: Last. There you go, cleans your mouth.
Speaker 5: Out, beautiful. And he doesn't have to carry a toothbrush.
Speaker 2: Well, I still carry a toothbrush. I'm really, I'm really.
Speaker 4: Mouth Look, I'm just going to dumb myself in I
Speaker 4: start my date with coffee. What's something that I can
Speaker 4: do before that to kind of make what can I eat?
Speaker 1: I guess? Or can I drink water?
Speaker 5: You could? You could start with some fiber, like even
Speaker 5: just carrot, a handful of almonds, some raspberries. It doesn't
Speaker 5: have to be a lot. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 5: a lot at all, but it's probably going to spike
Speaker 5: your court. Well, it's going to spark your boy. Sugar
Speaker 5: and it's going to spik your quartersole depending on how
Speaker 5: you have your coffee, unless it's black. If it's black
Speaker 5: and nothing else in it is different. But even then
Speaker 5: it's it's better, especially if we're talking about hormones that
Speaker 5: you have something with it.
Speaker 3: Well, I start my morning with my vitamins, so I
Speaker 3: have my fish.
Speaker 5: Oil that make you feel nauseous. Really, for like ten years,
Speaker 5: I can't have vitamins on an empty stomach.
Speaker 3: Really, I do it like thirty minutes because I've got
Speaker 3: some stuff that apparently meant to start your metabolism. Good
Speaker 3: vinegar and the one that starts with G glu.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't pronounce it.
Speaker 5: It's either glue to thion or glue to mine.
Speaker 2: It's something like that. It's meant to start your metabolism.
Speaker 2: So that's in there. Then there was something that I
Speaker 2: got for male tobido that's in.
Speaker 5: There, Horny goat we.
Speaker 2: Four seasons. Then I've got my PCT. I just got
Speaker 2: everything in there. I just take it and showing off.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm proud of you. You can have it on
Speaker 5: an empty stomach, because I sure as heck can't.
Speaker 3: Well, I try to have my smoothie, right, within half
Speaker 3: an hour or I would have faced the day with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well what's your top three vitamins that people should
Speaker 4: be taking?
Speaker 5: Man, that's a good question. Like I said, you can't
Speaker 5: outsupplement a bad diet. So starting with nutrition for me
Speaker 5: is far more important than the vitamins that you can take.
Speaker 5: To me, they're the icing on the cake. So if
Speaker 5: you don't have a known issue and you're on birth control,
Speaker 5: I would definitely be saying a multi vitem, multi mineral
Speaker 5: FISI or probiotic if you're not, and then I would
Speaker 5: still probably say, let me think about this. Vitamin D
Speaker 5: are probiotic, and magnesium. Magnesium, magnesium, v vitamins and zinc
Speaker 5: are all together generally in formulas. Magnesium's hands down the
Speaker 5: one thing we can't get enough of through food because
Speaker 5: of a couple of reasons. We've sterilized our soils, so
Speaker 5: we're not getting it in the actual food itself or
Speaker 5: enough in the food itself. But secondly, we're all living
Speaker 5: very far paced, highly stressed lives, and higher stress requires
Speaker 5: more magnesium, so we're depleted, and then we depleted more.
Speaker 5: So yes, I would say magnesium is a game change.
Speaker 3: I take made by itself and magnesium with the B three.
Speaker 3: But then I also take zinc by itself in the morning.
Speaker 4: End.
Speaker 5: But you you're like a walking farmer.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, you really are. That's
Speaker 1: how your cash money is going mad?
Speaker 5: F Do you feel good generally? Though?
Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: Girl I was dating a couple of years ago, went
Speaker 3: to her family Christmas and her I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: just fucking.
Speaker 2: Tired all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so tired, and she said, oh, my
Speaker 3: husband was, and then he got on like this plan,
Speaker 3: this plan of like vitamins, and it made him feel better.
Speaker 2: And ever since then, I've just done it.
Speaker 5: And do you feel better than men?
Speaker 2: Sometimes you feel down, but for a better part, I
Speaker 2: feel good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: So it's a tip.
Speaker 3: Like all my girlfriends I have had over the years.
Speaker 3: They always laugh because I always sit there on a
Speaker 3: Sunday like tipping them out. My roomies would walk in
Speaker 3: and that seeming like divving them out, and I got
Speaker 3: them onto it as well, get them onto a plan
Speaker 3: of it all.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely. I think that there's so much merit to it,
Speaker 5: and I think that the more we can actually work
Speaker 5: out actually what's actually happening for us and making it detailed.
Speaker 2: Magnesium.
Speaker 3: I used to have magnesium baths as well, in magnesium salt.
Speaker 5: Do you write that, Yes, absolutely, it's great for recovery.
Speaker 2: My dad just get them through work like samples are
Speaker 2: like so the.
Speaker 4: Perfect Okay, Well, look, let's talk all things in fertility next.
Speaker 5: You're just.
Speaker 2: What do you think of this?
Speaker 1: Like, this is not a this is not a one
Speaker 1: on one appointment.
Speaker 3: Math al right, Like I said earlier, I've been what
Speaker 3: would you say, diagnosed or told that I am infertile.
Speaker 3: So I'm shooting blanks.
Speaker 5: How long ago was that diagnosis?
Speaker 2: Oh twenty twenty okay.
Speaker 5: And you had your sperm tested.
Speaker 3: Because well I had understanded testicles when I was born,
Speaker 3: and then they told my parents around the age I
Speaker 3: was twenty five that I should get a tested. Right then,
Speaker 3: I want to actually clear the air on this. My
Speaker 3: girlfriend at the time said, my ejaculation is the same
Speaker 3: consistency as a guy she used to sleep with who
Speaker 3: had the phasectomy.
Speaker 2: There is no correlation to that at all.
Speaker 3: My doctor told me that, but it did something that
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, we're going I told my mum and.
Speaker 2: She said at this age, they said to get tested,
Speaker 2: so I did, and then.
Speaker 5: You knew about the underscended testing, Yes, I knew.
Speaker 3: So that's when I told my mum and she said
Speaker 3: about this age they said to do that. That doctor
Speaker 3: clarified that there's no connection through that. So it's just
Speaker 3: one of those things that happened to be set and
Speaker 3: then was brought me to this this outcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I mean it's interesting because a lot of men
Speaker 5: won't know that they potentially don't have live sperm until
Speaker 5: they try and ready to have children, or they've been
Speaker 5: trying for a year or more. And so I'm in
Speaker 5: a different you are in a very different and unique position.
Speaker 5: There's always a reason someone doesn't have sperm in the
Speaker 5: ejaculation and so, and it's not usually where you'll start.
Speaker 5: So I have to often prompt patients to say, could
Speaker 5: you see if there's a var seal or there's some
Speaker 5: type of blockage or something. It's not the first place
Speaker 5: that they look, which blows my mind because it makes
Speaker 5: sense to look there.
Speaker 2: Anyway, How would you be able to tell that there
Speaker 2: is a blockage.
Speaker 5: They would have they could do an ultrasound, They might
Speaker 5: have to actually have a look and see.
Speaker 3: I've had a couple of ultrasounds on my balls over
Speaker 3: the years, right, Like I remember one time a girl
Speaker 3: was feeling it. She said that lump doesn't feel good.
Speaker 5: Right, and there was nothing wrong, and they descend this
Speaker 5: is like personal, but they descending.
Speaker 2: I had the surgery when I was a year old.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, well, I mean there's a couple of things
Speaker 5: that they haven't tried to do a biopsy to see
Speaker 5: if there's lives.
Speaker 3: So that's the surgery, right, Yes, So the doctor said,
Speaker 3: either I do the surgery now I find out and
Speaker 3: I live my life knowing, or I wait till I'm
Speaker 3: actually trying with a girl.
Speaker 2: Then you're going to have.
Speaker 3: The best right chance of if to get the sperm
Speaker 3: and put it into an egg for ivy death.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So he said, I recommend doing it then because and
Speaker 3: I want to go get it done, but I'm sort
Speaker 3: of like, do I need to right now?
Speaker 1: And how much is it going to cost?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like six grand back here, imagine what
Speaker 2: it is now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean there's there's a chance that there
Speaker 5: is still sperm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a very high shoe. So this I got
Speaker 3: sixty six percent chance, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Which is great. So I have my little boy has
Speaker 5: a condition called cystic fibrosis. They also have an issue
Speaker 5: where basically they're not ejaculating live sperm either, So I
Speaker 5: will go down this path with him. So it's interesting
Speaker 5: to have the conversation. But what I would still say
Speaker 5: is you still want to do whatever you can to
Speaker 5: support whatever might be there. Of course, and sperm is interesting.
Speaker 5: Sperm regenerates every one hundred and twenty days, so what
Speaker 5: you if you are ejaculating spom, what you ejaculate now
Speaker 5: and what you ejaculated in one hundred and twenty days
Speaker 5: can be vastly different based on your lifestyle. So there's
Speaker 5: a lot you can do. And even though you're not
Speaker 5: ejaculating it because there's a blockage, sure it's not actually
Speaker 5: able to be ejaculated live, you can still improve what's there.
Speaker 2: They said.
Speaker 3: One of the things that could be wrong is when
Speaker 3: they tied well, when they did all the tubes and surgery,
Speaker 3: that something why I'm.
Speaker 5: Not linked up.
Speaker 3: They could be blockage, which we, like I said on
Speaker 3: hum when we spoke about it, would be that would
Speaker 3: be not a bad outcome, but it would like f
Speaker 3: lift my life with a sack to me, then we're
Speaker 3: going to get a reverse.
Speaker 5: One, right. I think you should always live your life
Speaker 5: with the intention of if you want to have children,
Speaker 5: you want to do everything you can to make sure
Speaker 5: you're in the best possible position, not assume that you can. Sorry,
Speaker 5: not assume that you can't, and do everything that you
Speaker 5: can to help support that.
Speaker 3: I've sort of gone down the route that I can't, yeah,
Speaker 3: right with in my relationships and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: And how well you can't get someone pregnant right now
Speaker 5: like that, which is right, but you would there's obviously,
Speaker 5: like you said, there's every chance through IVF that you
Speaker 5: can unless they find even if they do find that
Speaker 5: something's not connected as such, that it's probably still going
Speaker 5: to be safer to leave it as it is and
Speaker 5: you know, be able to extract that sperm and then
Speaker 5: use when you're ready. So you kind of, whilst it's
Speaker 5: a bummer, at the same time, you're kind of lucky
Speaker 5: because you know, as it stands, you're not getting anyone pregnant,
Speaker 5: and you probably can down the track. But this is
Speaker 5: a conversation I'll have to have with my son as well.
Speaker 5: We will have to do the same thing. He's eleven,
Speaker 5: he's definitely not at that point. He'll be wrapped when
Speaker 5: he finds out. Really, mum, but you should. There's so
Speaker 5: much you can do. And like I said, to the
Speaker 5: point of improving sperm over one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2: Days tips for that, anyone listing that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, So this is really important, I think because
Speaker 5: a lot of men will be told that where their
Speaker 5: sperms at today, they're a candidate for IVF at this point.
Speaker 5: Now that's not necessarily wrong, but I need to put
Speaker 5: it on the record. Medicine meets you where you're at.
Speaker 5: It doesn't actually go, oh, we've got a drug to
Speaker 5: make this better because it doesn't exist. So therefore you
Speaker 5: may not get that advice from your specialists because that's
Speaker 5: not their job to do that. So we want to
Speaker 5: look at what else we can do to improve that.
Speaker 5: And like I said, that's not taking a drug because
Speaker 5: no drug exists for that. That's taking vitamins and minerals
Speaker 5: and leading a lifestyle that's supportive of that. We know
Speaker 5: that sitting down for long periods of time can really
Speaker 5: almost cook the sperm, so that's not ideal. Cyclists often
Speaker 5: have issues and horse riders have issues because you can
Speaker 5: kind of work that out.
Speaker 2: They're kind of you know with that cooked thing.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched a TikTok and I don't even I
Speaker 3: don't wear jocks or anything to better anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let them free. Let them.
Speaker 4: Also, high stress really.
Speaker 5: Really disrupts anyone's hormones, but you know, equally men and women.
Speaker 5: So in terms of supplements that are safe to just
Speaker 5: recommend to anybody, anything with high level of antioxidants zinc, yeah,
Speaker 5: vitamin A and yeah, they're the they're the main, they're
Speaker 5: the main ones that I would be recommend that are
Speaker 5: pretty safe for anymore. And coq ten co qzyme is
Speaker 5: really grateful. It helps with cellular function, but it's really
Speaker 5: it's been proven to help with both sperm and egg quality.
Speaker 2: Because I can I'm trying to write them down, but
Speaker 2: I can't spell them.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about like lifestyle as in like alcohol
Speaker 4: or like going out on the weekends. What can that
Speaker 4: do in regards to that with a lifestyle change.
Speaker 5: So what I can say is binge drinking is worse
Speaker 5: than moderate drinking. So even if you were to, like,
Speaker 5: you know, binge drink once a month is worse than
Speaker 5: going out on a Friday and Saturday night and having
Speaker 5: three or four drinks and just calling it a day.
Speaker 5: At that point, men can get away with more than
Speaker 5: women can. For women, it messes their estrogen. Alcohol mimics estrogen,
Speaker 5: so for men it does the same. You don't need
Speaker 5: a whole lot of estrogen, so having that in your
Speaker 5: system isn't ideal either. But smoking and drinking would have
Speaker 5: to be the two things that unfortunately definitely impact fertility alongside.
Speaker 5: But let's also be logical here and sort of say,
Speaker 5: all right, well, I do a lot of things to
Speaker 5: support my body, and how much can I get away with?
Speaker 5: And you also know how you feel after that too,
Speaker 5: So I think being able to check in with yourself
Speaker 5: and be able to say, oh, I feel recovered really
Speaker 5: quickly is very different too. I feel sick four days later,
Speaker 5: so just checking in with that is really I think
Speaker 5: the other thing to look at.
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you feel.
Speaker 2: Every week, and I'm not doing this again.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's it's hard because it is one
Speaker 5: of the things that's really difficult to pull up on.
Speaker 5: And the more alcohol we drink, the more alcohol we need,
Speaker 5: so It's one of those things that has to be conscious,
Speaker 5: and I don't have good answers for that. It's not
Speaker 5: my area.
Speaker 3: Exercise, anything you can do just general health, I guess
Speaker 3: can help.
Speaker 5: With for fertility. For fertility, oh yeah, absolutely, being active
Speaker 5: is really important. So you know, the research is definitely
Speaker 5: telling us that we need fat and protein more than anything.
Speaker 5: Our hormones are made of fat and protein, So if
Speaker 5: we're not actually eating enough, then we're not going to
Speaker 5: go on to make our hormones. As we get older,
Speaker 5: we need more of those. So in our twenties and
Speaker 5: thirties is different to forties and thirties and forties. We
Speaker 5: definitely need more fat and protein as we get older
Speaker 5: to be more fertile.
Speaker 3: Would you say that anything in my last style over
Speaker 3: the last couple of years would have affected my fertility.
Speaker 3: It might not have been the unsentded testicles. Even you're
Speaker 3: saying that, do you think that, like when I was
Speaker 3: modeling that, like having a crash diet would have done
Speaker 3: anything to it?
Speaker 5: Potentially, everyone's different. Men are different to women. I would
Speaker 5: say it's probably worse for women than it is for men.
Speaker 5: Not to dismiss that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you said that I thought like, i'd like
Speaker 3: would hardly eat and like crash doll right to the point.
Speaker 5: Of course, because it sends a body into a state
Speaker 5: of stress and then it does what it can to
Speaker 5: survive under the surfircumstances. If you're doing that frequently enough,
Speaker 5: for ye, it can absolutely impact that. I mean the
Speaker 5: other thing too, is I would say, just to be
Speaker 5: truly sure, I would probably do a scene an analysis
Speaker 5: somewhere along the line. Although if you actually are having
Speaker 5: unprotected sex, done another one with a healthy laster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, not with health because it's interesting hearing
Speaker 4: that say that it's one hundred and twenty day cycle.
Speaker 1: I never heard that.
Speaker 5: Now, Well, you are creating every hour, but you're creating
Speaker 5: and based on what you're at where you're at right now.
Speaker 5: So if you were to be diligent, so I say
Speaker 5: to patients, all right, I need at least six weeks
Speaker 5: of you to be diligent with what I'm advising, and
Speaker 5: then we should retest. I've had patients pregnant, I've had
Speaker 5: zero viable sperm zero if pregnant within two months. Now,
Speaker 5: that's not something that I would say happens all the time.
Speaker 5: But we have seen it happen, so you know, it depends.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen your analysis, so I don't know whether
Speaker 5: there's some things that I could look at and say
Speaker 5: completely no or completely yes. But I think there's definitely
Speaker 5: merit to that regardless though, even if you're needing to
Speaker 5: do a biopsy to get sperm, you still want to
Speaker 5: make them as good as possible.
Speaker 3: Of course, if I was going to get that surgery,
Speaker 3: I would make like you said, one hundred and twenty days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no drinking, just clean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you did that, that would have a massive
Speaker 5: impact on your stem health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would definitely do something like that.
Speaker 4: That's so interesting, and it's really interesting because I don't
Speaker 4: know if you guys have seen it, but there's that
Speaker 4: show on at the moment, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like a big miracles.
Speaker 4: I think it's called, yeah, the Infertility Show, And like
Speaker 4: I think they were saying like one in five people
Speaker 4: have infertility issues, which is crazy because it's just not
Speaker 4: spoken about it at all.
Speaker 5: I know there's not enough awareness. We spend our whole
Speaker 5: life trying not to fall pregnant, only to find it's
Speaker 5: not as easy as we thought it was going to be.
Speaker 5: When it's time to feel pregnant exactly. And that's that's
Speaker 5: you know, you can't learn that until you're actually in it.
Speaker 5: I remember saying to my husband, I don't know if
Speaker 5: I can fall pregnant. I've never been pregnant, so I
Speaker 5: don't know. And the next month we were pregnant. Feels
Speaker 5: like I thought you didn't know. I'm like, I didn't know. Sorry,
Speaker 5: now don't touch me.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because I feel like we always talk
Speaker 4: about how like women have a biological clock and like,
Speaker 4: you know, men have all of this time up up
Speaker 4: their sleeve. But I mean, recently, I've found out that
Speaker 4: men at the age of twenty four to thirty four,
Speaker 4: like at thirty four you're half as fertile.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because no one, no one talks about it.
Speaker 5: But the other thing that speeds up aging and then
Speaker 5: therefore takes us closer to being less fertile is stress. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and we all live with more than it than ever before.
Speaker 5: And our hormone our ovaries as women, and I mean
Speaker 5: the men's men's declines a bit slower, a lot slower,
Speaker 5: but your overyfunction starts to decline from thirty five or
Speaker 5: in our early thirties. It doesn't mean you're not fertile.
Speaker 5: And I can see patients that are more fertile in
Speaker 5: their thirties and they were in their twenties purely because
Speaker 5: of their lifestyle. So it's not a definitive scenario. Yes,
Speaker 5: you might have less eggs in the tank, but it
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that those eggs aren't viable. And what are
Speaker 5: you doing to make them as good as possible because
Speaker 5: we can improve that.
Speaker 4: When I saw the gynecologist, he said to me, because
Speaker 4: you're thirty, you really need to start looking at egg freezing.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a really common offering at the moment. There's
Speaker 5: a lot of women that are freezing their eggs, and
Speaker 5: I think, again, I wouldn't go into that blindly. If
Speaker 5: you look at some of the women that are being
Speaker 5: vocal about this, they're like, this was so not as
Speaker 5: easy as I thought it was going to be. I
Speaker 5: think it's a nice insurance policy if you are absolutely
Speaker 5: not in a position to have children, or you are
Speaker 5: mid thirty. I mean they're going to say the younger
Speaker 5: you are to freeze your eggs are better. Their quality
Speaker 5: is going to be There's no one that can make
Speaker 5: this decision other than you. I think what I don't
Speaker 5: love is the fear that's put in women that if
Speaker 5: they don't do this now, they're not going to have chillildren.
Speaker 5: And we help women have children into their late forties.
Speaker 3: So I've faced that recently as well with my relationship
Speaker 3: that I am my partner.
Speaker 2: She's thirty nearly thirty one, and.
Speaker 3: I've had not the fear, but like the concern for
Speaker 3: her because of where I'm at my age and all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the thing is that we still discount
Speaker 5: looking after ourselves. We bypass that partner. God, it's fine,
Speaker 5: I can party my life away and just go and
Speaker 5: free some eggs. The quality of what you freeze if
Speaker 5: you're not diligently looking after yourself in the lead up
Speaker 5: to that and then during is going to be sub
Speaker 5: average anyway. So it really is. And the difference is
Speaker 5: also when you make the decision to have children, you
Speaker 5: are going to look after it. Well. Most people are
Speaker 5: going to look after themselves at that point, not just
Speaker 5: a month before I decide to do an egg collection
Speaker 5: and freeze them. So you know, there's lots of variables.
Speaker 5: I say to patients, you know, if you're not in
Speaker 5: a position to have children and you are really stressed
Speaker 5: out about this, or you actually are in a position position,
Speaker 5: but you're not ready yet. And there's plenty of people
Speaker 5: in this scenario and there, you know, in their mid
Speaker 5: to late thirties. Yeah, better to be safe than sorry,
Speaker 5: But nothing's ever going to be better than your own
Speaker 5: your own natural conception. Yeah, and you're using assisted conception.
Speaker 5: Should that not work?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Could Matt potentially not to talk on your behalf.
Speaker 4: But I'm just wondering if he got the surgery and
Speaker 4: they did find sperm in his testicles.
Speaker 1: Would he then be able to freeze that sperm?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that would be the idea of what they
Speaker 3: would do. That would then freeze that because or because
Speaker 3: I'd never can unless they found a blockage. Then I
Speaker 3: think then they would unblock it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's what I'm wondering. They may they.
Speaker 3: May or may they may do that, But if they
Speaker 3: if there's no blockage and they're just not swimmers, then
Speaker 3: they will take the sperm and freeze it, and then
Speaker 3: I would have to have Ivy have to have a kid.
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that something you can think about? Just
Speaker 4: for the peace of mind.
Speaker 3: But like I've said, I don't really I'm not in
Speaker 3: any position to be trying at the moment.
Speaker 4: Or no, not not saying that you would like use
Speaker 4: it soon, but just like I.
Speaker 3: Suppose yeah, But then like you said, then you come back,
Speaker 3: you circle back to like if they do find it,
Speaker 3: they want the egg there to put it in like
Speaker 3: straight away.
Speaker 2: So I have the best chance.
Speaker 1: Of But can't you just freeze it by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can freeze it, but the best chance would
Speaker 3: be having the egg there and then to put it.
Speaker 2: Into your fad.
Speaker 5: Basically, what you're weighing up is if I did that,
Speaker 5: is it a waste of.
Speaker 2: Money, money, time, effort to.
Speaker 5: When I'm ready to when I'm ready?
Speaker 2: So like so it's yeah, like it's one of these
Speaker 2: things where I say, what fuck do you? Wait?
Speaker 3: Then you've got to be very open with your partner
Speaker 3: about it and you say, well, this is what this is.
Speaker 5: My part is that yeah, you are going to get urgency.
Speaker 5: But also I want to say, when you're at this
Speaker 5: point in time where you are freezing eggs or you're
Speaker 5: going to your doctor for this, you know this is
Speaker 5: all they see all the time. So if I was
Speaker 5: to based my awareness on what I see, I'm going
Speaker 5: to have a skew opinion about birth controls. I don't
Speaker 5: see people coming into the clinic going I'm fantastic with
Speaker 5: my Marina, how are you today? Like, that's not what
Speaker 5: I see. So I see people that aren't happy. And
Speaker 5: so if you're going into your clinic because you're worried,
Speaker 5: that's you're not the only person in there that day.
Speaker 5: So things get sort of skewed as to whatever environment
Speaker 5: that you're in. And I just think it's important for
Speaker 5: women and men to have all of the information to
Speaker 5: go and make an informed choice. Speak to other people,
Speaker 5: speak to people that have done it. You know, again,
Speaker 5: your egg quality might actually be better when you're forty
Speaker 5: than when you were thirty two because you were not
Speaker 5: looking after yourself.
Speaker 3: And on that skewed thing as well, it's probably best
Speaker 3: to get multiple opinions because you're like seeing one person
Speaker 3: they might have one pinion to like the next person, you're.
Speaker 5: Absolutely And the other thing that I see happen is
Speaker 5: it becomes this hoarding game where women tend to get
Speaker 5: you know, oh, we got five viable eggs, We're going
Speaker 5: to put them on you know, freeze, Let's go again,
Speaker 5: Let's get your more, Let's go again. It's like, where
Speaker 5: do you draw the line. I've had patients have to
Speaker 5: say that's enough, I'm done, I don't need anymore. So
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's no I can't I can't speak
Speaker 5: for the majority. I just think it's important that we
Speaker 5: get ourselves in a position and we have as much
Speaker 5: information as possible, speak to people about it, and put
Speaker 5: yourself in the best position to get the best outcome.
Speaker 4: When I was watching the show on fertility, what was
Speaker 4: it Small Miracles, the way that IVF was kind of
Speaker 4: positioned on the show, it kind of felt like, if
Speaker 4: you're doing IVF, the sperm quality, You're like they're picking
Speaker 4: the best sperm that they can see, so then therefore
Speaker 4: maybe you'll end up with like a healthier or better baby.
Speaker 1: Depends.
Speaker 5: It depends on if they're doing IVF or IXY. So
Speaker 5: there's different processes for assisted conception. IVF is when they
Speaker 5: kind of just put it all in the one and
Speaker 5: let the sperm find the egg, WHEREASIXI is when they
Speaker 5: will take the best quality sperm and put it with
Speaker 5: the egg. So there's different ways depending on your sperm
Speaker 5: quality depending on hope.
Speaker 3: If I do have sperm, they pick the most healthiest one.
Speaker 3: My genetics getting passed on. Yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 3: did say when I put the episode out there, like
Speaker 3: such a shame to waste those genetics.
Speaker 2: A lot of those messages.
Speaker 1: Now it's never met mad but now now she could.
Speaker 5: Well, apparently we're going to have acupuncture, so you know.
Speaker 3: Yes, is there any pressure points to find that can
Speaker 3: help generate sperm? Where it is.
Speaker 5: Absolutely there's, but it would look at the person. It's
Speaker 5: an individual approach, so it's not like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 5: is the sperm point. Having said that, there is a
Speaker 5: point for the cervix, so there's you know, stranger things
Speaker 5: have happened.
Speaker 2: I'd hate to know if it's in.
Speaker 5: Natural generally not in the local vicinity.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm coming through some acupuncture.
Speaker 4: Again, let's not press my stairmical points because I don't
Speaker 4: want to get pregnant yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pick away from that.
Speaker 4: I just have one last question for you, because we
Speaker 4: are running out of time, even though I feel like
Speaker 4: we could talk to you like for forever. We've had
Speaker 4: a couple of episodes where Matt's opened up about his infertility,
Speaker 4: and like the journey that he's been on, and there's
Speaker 4: been a lot of people who have reached out to
Speaker 4: us who are struggling with infertility. So I guess my
Speaker 4: question for you is just like, what would you say
Speaker 4: to those people who maybe are kind of in the
Speaker 4: trenches at the moment, are really struggling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's so hard the time that you
Speaker 5: decide to have a baby and then it doesn't go
Speaker 5: to plan, and everybody else around you seems to be
Speaker 5: falling pregnant announcing things. It is really difficult. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: wait to try and find answers, and I would actually
Speaker 5: try and find answers. Often women and men are told
Speaker 5: that they're just infertile, and they're put in the category
Speaker 5: of unknown infertility, which to me, there's no such thing
Speaker 5: as unknown. It's just we haven't looked hard enough yet
Speaker 5: to figure out why. There's always a reason why. There's
Speaker 5: many pieces of the puzzle, and you can't isolate your
Speaker 5: reproductive organs. They work in conjunction with other things. So
Speaker 5: if you have ciliac or hashimotos, or there's lots of
Speaker 5: other things that exist outside that possibly need to be
Speaker 5: looked at. And it's not necessarily where if you're in
Speaker 5: a fertility clinic, that's not necessarily where they look because
Speaker 5: it's not the way that they look at it. So
Speaker 5: first and foremost, let's find out why. Let's not accept
Speaker 5: unanswered infertility. That's not a diagnosis. And I mean, at
Speaker 5: some point, you have to start to believe in your body.
Speaker 5: This is and it's very difficult. When you've been met
Speaker 5: time and time again with negative outcomes, you stop believing
Speaker 5: in yourself. And it's literally the only thing that you
Speaker 5: can believe in is that your body can do it.
Speaker 5: So I have patients do something, whether they like it
Speaker 5: or not, plant the seed that when they leave the
Speaker 5: clinic they need to think, act and behaviors. If they're
Speaker 5: already pregnant, we're very good at pushing away the very
Speaker 5: thing we want to come in as a protective mechanism.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what if you were pregnant today, if you
Speaker 5: wanted to be what if you were pregnant today, how
Speaker 5: would you act if you left here? Yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: very different energy. It feels already good, right and yes, okay,
Speaker 5: sometimes we can be met with disappointment, but living according
Speaker 5: to what you want to bring into your life. I
Speaker 5: can tell you just through experience, you get higher outcomes
Speaker 5: by doing that. So start to think, act and behave.
Speaker 5: If you are wanting to be pregnant and you've been
Speaker 5: met a lot of times with negativity or negative results,
Speaker 5: start to think act and behaviors. If you are, make
Speaker 5: decisions as if you already are, be selfish. It's all
Speaker 5: about you at this point in time.
Speaker 1: The power of the brain, I know, is very crazy.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 5: It really is. And it's almost like, you know though,
Speaker 5: there are people out there you and I know these
Speaker 5: people and they say they're going to do something like
Speaker 5: my god, they're crazy, like as if, and they go
Speaker 5: and do it because they believe they can. So, you know,
Speaker 5: we we're living in a world where we're told about
Speaker 5: everything we can't do, especially fertility. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: negativity around fertility, and I think we need to change that.
Speaker 5: Our body knows what it's doing under the right circumstances.
Speaker 5: It's up to us to create that environment that makes it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: This has been super interesting.
Speaker 5: Matt's loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's had a private session.
Speaker 2: Over there, private session. Thank you on record.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming in