WEBVTT - Sharri | 26 November

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening, and I've got a big exclusive interview tonight

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<v Speaker 2>with Donald Trump's newly appointed Director of counter Terrorism, Sebastian Gorka.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't hold back on just how weak international leaders have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 4>Every nation in the world will have a decision to make.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you stand with those who are taking the fight

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<v Speaker 4>to the Jihades, to the terrorists, to the evildoers, or

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<v Speaker 4>do you stand with those who are trying to destroy

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<v Speaker 4>our civilization.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Donald Trump's new senior director of counter Terror and

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<v Speaker 2>that strong message for the likes of.

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<v Speaker 3>Albanzi and Penny Wang.

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<v Speaker 2>That big interview coming up also tonight, in her first

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<v Speaker 2>interview since the Albanzi government refused her visa, former Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Iolette Shaked will join me live on the She.

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<v Speaker 3>Is fired up now.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been a big story and that exclusive interview.

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<v Speaker 3>With Ilett will be up shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus the debate over the social media band for kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Some coalition figures are now saying they're going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Cross the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet we've had a couple of sunny days in

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney and we're already being warned about blackouts I'll speak

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<v Speaker 2>about all of this with Bronwyn Bishop, Caleb Bond, Cameron

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<v Speaker 2>Milner and Liz Burke. But first, the Prime Minister is

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<v Speaker 2>facing worse and worse economic results by the day, but

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<v Speaker 2>he refuses to acknowledge the gravity of this cost of

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<v Speaker 2>living crisis gripping the nation. In Parliament today Albanezy pretended

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<v Speaker 2>everything was rosy, Wages going up, he said, gender pay

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<v Speaker 2>gap solved, inflation.

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<v Speaker 3>Falling, no dramas well.

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<v Speaker 2>Alban Ezy's head is in the Copa Cabana cliff top

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<v Speaker 2>clouds and here's his reality check.

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<v Speaker 3>The news today that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Albanezy government is presiding over the longest household recession

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<v Speaker 2>GDP per capita has been falling for the.

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<v Speaker 3>Past six quarters.

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<v Speaker 2>This is longer than any period over the past fifty years,

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<v Speaker 2>according to The Australian. And the only reason when not

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<v Speaker 2>in a nationwide full blown recession is because of the

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<v Speaker 2>high immigration numbers that's propping up the budget, the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Australia policy.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Irrelevant to the average family because at a household individual

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<v Speaker 2>level we are in a recession and families are feeling it.

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<v Speaker 2>Russ Greenwood spoke about this here last.

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<v Speaker 5>Night guess what happened. The individual the household has been

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<v Speaker 5>in recession for months and months and months now, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's what consumers are feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what people are feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the reason why you've got restaurants going out of

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<v Speaker 5>business around Australia right now, because people do not have

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<v Speaker 5>the disposable income.

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<v Speaker 2>And the actual figures show that business insolvencies have hit

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<v Speaker 2>their highest level since the pandemic, a four year high,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we spoke about last night, household disposable income

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<v Speaker 2>is lower than even during Australia's past four recessions. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>given all of this, it's kind of stunning to think

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<v Speaker 2>that when Alban Easy became Prime Minister in May twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, the cost of living was his single biggest

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<v Speaker 2>election promise.

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<v Speaker 3>You couldn't have missed it.

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<v Speaker 6>Labor has a plan for a better future, a plan

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<v Speaker 6>not just for them but for their children as well,

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<v Speaker 6>for families, taking the pressure off the cost of childcare,

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<v Speaker 6>the cost of electricity, a plan to address cost of living,

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<v Speaker 6>take pressure off cost of living, meaningful ongoing help with

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<v Speaker 6>the cost of living for families.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his promise, take the pressure off the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living, but to a half years on. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the reality as articulated by the Coalition in question Time today.

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<v Speaker 7>After two and a half years of this Albaneze labor government,

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<v Speaker 7>Australians have seen their standard of living fall off a cliff,

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<v Speaker 7>the biggest reduction since records began in the fifties. We've

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<v Speaker 7>been in a household recession for a record six consecutive quarters.

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<v Speaker 7>This is worse for households than Keaty's recession we had

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<v Speaker 7>to have and the disastrous Whitlam government this week. Prime

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<v Speaker 7>Minister is taking our country in the wrong direction. How

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<v Speaker 7>can Australian families afford another three years of labor?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a brutal reality check and it was reflected

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<v Speaker 2>as well in a question on Q and A last

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<v Speaker 2>night that captured the sentiment of many Australians.

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<v Speaker 8>My husband and I we're a grocery shop. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>the grocery shop is just staggering. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 8>personally knowing a number of people who don't have a house.

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<v Speaker 8>They're paying rent every week. And if you've got a

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<v Speaker 8>couple of children, how do they pay rent? Pay all

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<v Speaker 8>these heavy tolls, huge grocery bills, Education, I mean medical

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<v Speaker 8>that the list just goes on and I think people

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<v Speaker 8>are getting to the point where they've lost all hope

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<v Speaker 8>in there being a better way of life than what

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<v Speaker 8>they're experiencing now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well grilled on these issues in Parliament today, alban Easy

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<v Speaker 2>spoke of wage growth and yes, it's true wages have

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<v Speaker 2>grown under Jim Chalmers, but the growth has sadly been

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<v Speaker 2>more than eroded by taxes and the higher cost of

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<v Speaker 2>goods and services thanks to inflation. But alban Easy, of

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<v Speaker 2>course never mentions the government's tax intake that's only getting

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<v Speaker 2>higher and higher, record tax thanks to bracket creep. And

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<v Speaker 2>as you might have heard, Deloitte Access Economics said today

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<v Speaker 2>that we're looking at the most severe deterioration in the

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<v Speaker 2>budget bottom line ever recorded outside of the COVID pandemic.

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<v Speaker 9>This is the most significant deterioration in the underlying cash

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<v Speaker 9>balance that we've seen outside of the pandemics. What we

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<v Speaker 9>need in Australia is better fiscal policy, better economic reform

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<v Speaker 9>and tax reform to get the budget into a more

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<v Speaker 9>sustainable position over the longer term.

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<v Speaker 2>No we sit here, we're just weeks out from the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year. When alban Easy had thought that

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates would be falling, and he would coast into

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<v Speaker 2>the summer break, sipping his elbow pale ale on the

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<v Speaker 2>balcony of his new Copa cabana clifftop mansion, and then

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<v Speaker 2>roll into an easy election win, just like he thought

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<v Speaker 2>he'd easily win the Voice, And when he didn't, he

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<v Speaker 2>blamed misinformation and said about trying to foist on Australians

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<v Speaker 2>new legislation that.

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<v Speaker 3>Would shut down free speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, trying to convince Australians that he's got this economic

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<v Speaker 2>crisis covered and that he should be re elected, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be a harder sell than the Voice. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is personal right now, Many Australian parents will

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<v Speaker 2>be worrying about how they can afford to buy Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>presents for their kids this year. But none of this

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<v Speaker 2>seems to bother Alban Easy. It's like he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 2>it's even happening. A Prime minister living a life of

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<v Speaker 2>freebies and luxury while the nation he's meant to be

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<v Speaker 2>leading suffers. I'm going to come back to that in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment with Rodman Bishop and Caleb Bonda. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to say, but I want to turn now

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<v Speaker 2>and tell you about an exclusive story. Now, the Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>government is furious at Tony Burke's decision to refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>issue a visa to a former Israeli minister, Iolette Shakhd.

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<v Speaker 2>She has family here in Australia. She was here in

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<v Speaker 2>March last year and there were no problems at all

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<v Speaker 2>with giving her a visa then. But Iolette applied for

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<v Speaker 2>a visa one again to visit her family and to

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<v Speaker 2>speak at a security conference in Canberra. But her visa

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday night was rejected on character grounds. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a political decision, and I can tonight reveal that

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke, as Home Affairs Minister, decided to review this decision.

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<v Speaker 2>An Islet was informed in writing she was still on

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<v Speaker 2>standby to fly to Australia for the conference on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, on Sunday on Monday, but she never heard

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<v Speaker 2>from Tony Burke again.

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<v Speaker 3>He ghosted her.

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<v Speaker 2>Far from diplomatic. This is a woman who was a

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<v Speaker 2>minister when if Talie Bennett was Israeli PM, and if

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<v Speaker 2>Neftalie Bennett is elected the Prime Minister again, as he

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<v Speaker 2>could very well be at some point in the years

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<v Speaker 2>to come, well then IoLET could once again hold a

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<v Speaker 2>senior position in the Israeli government. Yet Tony Burke and

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<v Speaker 2>the lousy pro Palestinian Albanesi government have shown her extreme discourtesy.

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<v Speaker 2>The Israeli government was very insulted by this highly political decision,

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<v Speaker 2>the anger felt at senior levels. The Foreign Minister Gideon

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<v Speaker 2>Sar is in disbelief over how a supposed ally could

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<v Speaker 2>treat Israel like this, and Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs

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<v Speaker 2>released this statement saying the Australian government's decision to deny

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<v Speaker 2>a visa to former Israeli Minister Islet Shaked is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>The decision is deeply offensive and troubling and will have

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<v Speaker 2>a negative impact on Israel Australia relations. Now, the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>given by the Albanese government were that if Islet was

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to enter Australia, there's a risk she would and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote Villifi segment of the Australian community or incite

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<v Speaker 2>discord in the Australian community.

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<v Speaker 3>So because she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish and Israeli, she might incite discord meaning disagreement in

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian community. That is offensive, it is racist, it

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<v Speaker 2>is discrimination. Shame on Tony Burke and albin Ezi. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>this sounds like the Albanzi government yet again caving into

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<v Speaker 2>terror supporters, because who else would be upset by inn

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli flying into our country. This is a capitulation to

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<v Speaker 2>harmas clear and simple. It's because Burke, Albinizi, Wong and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of them make the devastating mistake of equating

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<v Speaker 2>Israel with the terrorists it's trying to destroy. It's this

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<v Speaker 2>type of weakness and moral confusion that Donald Trump as

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<v Speaker 2>president wants to stamp out. And as I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>have his new director of counter terrorism on my show

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<v Speaker 2>tonight in a big exclusive interview, Sev Gorka describes this

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<v Speaker 2>attitude as civilizational suicide.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we need leadership, and the good news is when

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump, my former boss, and god willing my future boss,

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<v Speaker 4>gets behind that resolute desk, every nation in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Will have a decision to make.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you stand with those who are taking the fight

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<v Speaker 4>to the Jihades, to the terrorists, to the evildoers, or

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<v Speaker 4>do you stand with those who are trying to destroy

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<v Speaker 4>our civilization?

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<v Speaker 1>It will be a stark choice.

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<v Speaker 2>That interview is coming up, but never a true word

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<v Speaker 2>was said and I will have Isilett Chaquet on the

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<v Speaker 2>show a bit later that's Live after Australia's disgraceful decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and Sebastian Gorka coming up shortly as well. But now

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop

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<v Speaker 2>and Sky New's host k A.

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<v Speaker 3>Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see you both, Runwin, I want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you about this news today that Australia is now in

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<v Speaker 2>the longest household recession in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 10>Why we're surprised and we've got a government that has

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<v Speaker 10>completely and utterly rejected everything that people have learned in

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<v Speaker 10>the years since we've had bad recessions. It's got wages

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<v Speaker 10>chasing inflation and that's a recipe for disaster. You've seen

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<v Speaker 10>the policies that they're pursuing with regard to energy, let

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<v Speaker 10>alone the question that we're going to get blackouts, which

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<v Speaker 10>is rationing of power as well. But aside from that,

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<v Speaker 10>it just feeds into the cost of everything that people

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<v Speaker 10>have to buy their groceries at the serpmarket. So when

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<v Speaker 10>we see those figures about just how bad it is,

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<v Speaker 10>I think we see just how poor discovernment really is

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<v Speaker 10>and it has to go at the next election because

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<v Speaker 10>Australia and Australians can't forward literally to have them for

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<v Speaker 10>another three years. If you don't have someone who can understand,

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<v Speaker 10>as Albanezi clearly doesn't. And Dr Chalmers with his PhD

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<v Speaker 10>in baull Keating, who honestly believes that he is going

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<v Speaker 10>to reform capitalism, we're in serious trouble. So I think

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<v Speaker 10>that people are awakening from the wokeness that they have

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<v Speaker 10>accepted for a long time. And I think people seeing

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<v Speaker 10>this government for what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>A no bigger issue than the cost of living Caleb.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it goes to the broken promise as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just the number of times Albanzi made this

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<v Speaker 2>his central issue, it's kind of stunning to think it's

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<v Speaker 2>his biggest failure.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, it's hard to think of a prime minister or

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<v Speaker 11>a government in Australian history that has managed to achieve

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<v Speaker 11>so little in its first term. I mean, normally a

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<v Speaker 11>first term government you hit the ground running, here's our

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<v Speaker 11>policy platform, You've given us the mandate to do it.

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<v Speaker 11>What can alban easy point to that he has managed

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<v Speaker 11>to achieve in this term as Prime minister And we've

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<v Speaker 11>had Airbus elbow and upgrade elbow. We might stap calling

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<v Speaker 11>him absent elbow because he's not actually been there to

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<v Speaker 11>do anything. The only thing they can point to, which

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<v Speaker 11>is a fur fee, is that inflation has gone down.

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<v Speaker 11>But of course inflation has only gone down as an

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<v Speaker 11>official figure because the government has pumped money into things

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<v Speaker 11>such as a subsidizing energy for instance. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 11>a difference to what you have in your pocket. It

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<v Speaker 11>doesn't make a difference, as we know from the household figures,

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<v Speaker 11>what you have to spend. It simply diddles the numbers

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<v Speaker 11>to make the government look good. Apart from that, they've

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<v Speaker 11>done literally nothing, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Inflation is still above the target back. It means that

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<v Speaker 2>the price of everything is rising more than it should.

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<v Speaker 2>Just for a little economics lesson that. Now, we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of beautiful days of warm weather in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to everyone in Melbourne watching, but when I say

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<v Speaker 2>warm weather, I mean in the city. It's been in

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<v Speaker 2>the high twenties, hardly a heat wave, and yet already

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<v Speaker 2>this is testing the energy grid. Here was the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Energy Market Operator.

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<v Speaker 12>Today we are experiencing some quite unseasonable hot weather here

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<v Speaker 12>in New South Wales today, that combined with a number

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<v Speaker 12>of major generation units that are on outage, both due

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<v Speaker 12>to planned and unplanned maintenance, is causing tightness in electricity

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<v Speaker 12>supply here in New South Wales, both today and tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Brom and we just heard in there described

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<v Speaker 2>this as unseasonable hot weather. We're just days out from

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<v Speaker 2>the official summer period starts December the first, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>already it looks like the energy grid is going to

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<v Speaker 2>struggle to cope with it.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, of course it is because we are still totally

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<v Speaker 10>reliant on coal and coal five powerstations. And what has

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<v Speaker 10>happened because in the middle of the day when they

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<v Speaker 10>can buy and do buy circle renewables, it means that

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<v Speaker 10>the stations have to shut off, which means that they

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<v Speaker 10>are degraded, and the maintenance has not been up kept,

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<v Speaker 10>has not been keeping up, and so consequently you've got

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<v Speaker 10>various generators which are offline and being subject to repairs

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<v Speaker 10>and so called maintenance. It's been programmed, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 10>It is a question of saying the government has told

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<v Speaker 10>us that col fired power stations are out and therefore

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<v Speaker 10>we don't have to take care of them, and the

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<v Speaker 10>other fact is this that when you see that in

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<v Speaker 10>New South Wales that the government has had to renew

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<v Speaker 10>the life of Alfy pass over ROWI that was going

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<v Speaker 10>to shut down. That's going to happen more and more

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<v Speaker 10>because we can't do without it. And when I see

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<v Speaker 10>the head of AIMO get up there and say, well,

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<v Speaker 10>we're going to have to ration power, that's what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 10>Ration it. We're going to tell which users can have

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<v Speaker 10>to turn off their activity, such as tom Ago, the

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<v Speaker 10>big aluminium smelter, which is the greatest user about in

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<v Speaker 10>the country.

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<v Speaker 3>It will mean.

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<v Speaker 10>And then watch out if you've got a smart meter,

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<v Speaker 10>because then the.

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<v Speaker 2>Government's productivity are impact on the economy.

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<v Speaker 10>Yep, but watch out personally if you've got a smart meter,

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<v Speaker 10>the government ultimately can turn your power off. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 10>if you haven't got a smart meter, that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, well most people don't, Caleb.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard Paul Murray last night on air say that

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<v Speaker 2>he goes around the house this is to keep his

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<v Speaker 2>power bill down, turning off the lights.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's funny because my husband does. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>always turning lights on.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always turning the lights off, you know, because everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>very worried about the power bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's a gender thing. Caleb, Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean my mother and father were both fastidious about

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<v Speaker 11>turn the lights off, turn the lights of, and I

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<v Speaker 11>never really understood it as a child who cares I

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<v Speaker 11>wasn't paying the bill. I mean, you know, you think

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<v Speaker 11>money comes out of a wall, right. And it was

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<v Speaker 11>quite funny my girlfriend's young son said recently, because I

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<v Speaker 11>was leaving my rental property and looking for another one, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You just said, why don't you buy a house?

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<v Speaker 11>He said, well, we've got money. I don't just go

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<v Speaker 11>down the bank and get the money, so you don't

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<v Speaker 11>have any content. I do it now though, because you

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<v Speaker 11>know I've got to pay the bill, right. But the

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<v Speaker 11>point on when you made about the coulified powerstations and

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<v Speaker 11>the maintenance is the number one thing here, because, of course,

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<v Speaker 11>all the money the government has spent over at least

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<v Speaker 11>the last decade has gone into renewables. So if you're

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<v Speaker 11>an agl or in origin or whoever it seems to be,

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<v Speaker 11>or whoever it happens to be, who owns a coulifired

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<v Speaker 11>power station, why would you be investing in a form

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<v Speaker 11>of power that the government wants you to turn off

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<v Speaker 11>within the next decade when you can get all the

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<v Speaker 11>money out of them to go and build renewables. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 11>the coli fired power generators we have are degraded. They

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<v Speaker 11>have been for some time. Every time this has happened,

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<v Speaker 11>it's been because they're down for maintenance. And we supposedly

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<v Speaker 11>live in a first world country. Now we've got to know,

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<v Speaker 11>don't have the air conditioner down so low because it's

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<v Speaker 11>bad you run out of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 10>I just remember being an international conference and talking to

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<v Speaker 10>someone from an African country. I'll just say I won't

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<v Speaker 10>name it. And he looked at me and he said,

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<v Speaker 10>how on earth can we prosper when in the entire

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<v Speaker 10>country we only have one power generating plant? He said,

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<v Speaker 10>the real prosperity for my country will only come when

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<v Speaker 10>we've got power like you've got now. It's not going

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<v Speaker 10>to come from wind farms. It's not going to come

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<v Speaker 10>from panels of glass.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to.

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<v Speaker 10>Come from nuclear or coal and or gas. And until

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<v Speaker 10>people recognize this fact and say we've been wrong, we've

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<v Speaker 10>woken up. We're no longer woke, we're awakened. We're really

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<v Speaker 10>going to see what's happening. We are on a trajectory

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<v Speaker 10>to actually seeing my granddaughter inheriting a very poor stand

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<v Speaker 10>of living, and I'm not prepared to stand by and

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<v Speaker 10>let that happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, good on you, Bronwan.

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<v Speaker 2>You're here and you're still fighting, and appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's turn to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>He's threatened to raise tariffs by an extra ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>on all Chinese goods coming into the US. He also

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<v Speaker 2>said he'll charge Mexico and Canada a twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>tariff on all products coming into the US. He described,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ridiculous open borders. That's that's his language in

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<v Speaker 2>his social media post.

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<v Speaker 3>Caleb, Look, these are threats.

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<v Speaker 2>The threats could have the intended consequences without him actually

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<v Speaker 2>having to impose the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 11>What do you think, Well, I mean that that's obviously

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<v Speaker 11>what he's playing. And I mean he's alleging that China

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<v Speaker 11>hasn't done enough to stop the flow of fentanel into

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<v Speaker 11>the United States. The same goes for Mexico, of course,

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<v Speaker 11>not to speak for all the illegal immigrants who flow

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<v Speaker 11>over the border. There is no reason that Trump should

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<v Speaker 11>not be able to say, well, I'm going to slap

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<v Speaker 11>these tariffs on you if you don't play ball with us,

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<v Speaker 11>because of course China did exactly the same thing to

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<v Speaker 11>us when we stood up to them. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 11>did put the tariffs in, some of which still there.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean the shellfish. What are we still talking about

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<v Speaker 11>that one? Three times that's been announced and still nothing

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<v Speaker 11>has happened. So yes, I get the argument that it

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<v Speaker 11>could be economically detrimental to consumers in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>To have tariffs.

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<v Speaker 11>But if China is going to play the game of

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<v Speaker 11>slapping tariffs on other people, why shouldn't we play the

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<v Speaker 11>same game back to them?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Caylebond, brom A, Bishop, we are out of time.

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<v Speaker 3>So great to see both of you. Thank you. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned Donald Trump's new White House team, it's

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<v Speaker 2>fast taking shape, and one of the President Elect's latest appointments,

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Gorka will be the director for counter Terrorism. Gowker

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<v Speaker 2>was part of Donald Trump's first administration. He's a former

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<v Speaker 2>military and intelligence analyst. He's an author, and in recent

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<v Speaker 2>times he's been a conservative television host and now he'll

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<v Speaker 2>play a critical national security role in the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>And he joined me for an exclusive interview a little

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<v Speaker 2>earlier Sebastian Gorka, congratulations and your appointment. You've been given

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<v Speaker 2>the task by Trump of combating terrorism. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>think are the current greatest terror threats to the Western world?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you for having me. I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 4>of yours. We follow you closely here on the other

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<v Speaker 4>side of the world. The resurgence of global jihadism. People

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<v Speaker 4>think that it went away, but it didn't. With the

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<v Speaker 4>surrender of Afghanistan, the disgraceful surrender of Afghanistan by Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 4>by Lloyd Austin, his Secretary of Defense, we have a

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<v Speaker 4>new hub of jihadism. We left eighty well just eighty

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<v Speaker 4>three billion dollars worth of weapons for the Taliban Al

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<v Speaker 4>Qaeda Is resurgent. ISIS is still out there, whether it's

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<v Speaker 4>the Huthis or whether it's the numerous proxies of Iran

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<v Speaker 4>Bolla a Hamas.

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<v Speaker 1>The threat is as great as it's ever been.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's why we need President Trump his National

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<v Speaker 4>Security advisor Mike Waltz back in the White House, and

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<v Speaker 4>we have a lot of work to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Come twelve on January the twentieth, in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Face of this growing terror threat as you've just defined it,

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<v Speaker 2>it is extensive. We've also seen thousands of, let's face it,

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<v Speaker 2>terror supporters marching on the street absurdly in the name

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<v Speaker 2>of peace. How do you think said that Western leaders

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<v Speaker 2>internationally have responded to this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, in some cases they've just stuck their head in

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<v Speaker 4>the sand, and in other cases they have thought that

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<v Speaker 4>they can deal with this threat with some kind of

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<v Speaker 4>political negotiation or some kind of economic aid.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're wrong. They're wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I've spent thirty years teaching the strategy the ideology of

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<v Speaker 4>the Jihani movement from the Ikuan, the Muslim Brotherhood on

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<v Speaker 4>down through al Qaeda and through Isis. Today we have

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<v Speaker 4>to understand that this is a war between the civilized world,

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<v Speaker 4>the Judeo Christian West, the greatest civilization the war has

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen, and the barbarians, those who wish to destroy

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<v Speaker 4>our civilization. Whether it's those responsible for nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's those responsible for the heenous attacks on October

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<v Speaker 4>the seventh in Israel where women and children and unarmed

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 4>men were targeted. This is a war to the death

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<v Speaker 4>where only one side can win. The forces of light

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<v Speaker 4>and goodness or those who really are working for the

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<v Speaker 4>destruction of our civilization.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so well put in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go further and say that some international leaders have

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<v Speaker 2>been utterly weak. They've been ineffective, hopeless, and probably have enabled.

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<v Speaker 3>The terror threat to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not to mention the billions of dollars the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration gave to Iran and then the other international

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<v Speaker 2>leaders calling for a cease fire instead of showing strength

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<v Speaker 2>and solidarity.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what's your response to this?

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<v Speaker 4>I can completely concur when you're giving literally billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>as the Biden administration did to those who preach every

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<v Speaker 4>Friday from the Muller's pulpits death to the West, that's suicide.

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<v Speaker 4>That's share insanity. When you think that you can negotiate

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<v Speaker 4>with people who call for the death of every Christian

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 4>and every Jew, that is it's just political suicide, it's

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 4>civilizational suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, we need leadership.

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<v Speaker 4>And the good news is when President Trump, my former boss,

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<v Speaker 4>and God willing, my future boss, gets behind that resolute desk,

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<v Speaker 4>every nation in the world will have a decision to make.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you stand with those who are taking the fight

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<v Speaker 4>to the Jihades, to the terrorists, to the evildoers, or

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<v Speaker 4>do you stand with those who are trying to destroy

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<v Speaker 4>our civilization. It will be a stark choice. But as

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<v Speaker 4>I said when I was in the White House the

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<v Speaker 4>first time, borrowing a phrase from the Marine Corps, my

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<v Speaker 4>beloved devil dogs, it's very simple, America, no better friend,

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<v Speaker 4>no worse enemy, and there will be a time for

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<v Speaker 4>choosing for all the nations of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you stand with us or do you stand with

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<v Speaker 1>the Jihades?

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<v Speaker 3>Very strong words.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in light of this, and I understand you've just

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<v Speaker 2>been appointed and this is one of your first interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>but the President has been clear he won't tolerate terror

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<v Speaker 2>support as remaining in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>What will you do to stop homegrown terror?

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<v Speaker 4>We have a domestic threat as well, when you side

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<v Speaker 4>with those who are calling for the extermination of Israel

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<v Speaker 4>from the River to the SEU.

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<v Speaker 1>When we have people who are, let's put it.

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<v Speaker 4>Mildly or diplomatically useful, idiots or worse working for the

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 4>Iranian regime inside very sensitive positions in the US government

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<v Speaker 4>that cannot be allowed to stand.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yes, we have lots of plans, my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>But it would be impolitic and improper for me to

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<v Speaker 4>reveal any of them right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, understood, Well, I might ask you about a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things that Australia has done of late. The Albanezi

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>government issuing nearly three thousand visas to Gazans since October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think Australia should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Bringing in Gazans right now, which we're doing virtually more

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<v Speaker 2>than any other country on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the question is who are they and can you verifine?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you vet them? If you can't, that's a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is why we had the travel moratorium at

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<v Speaker 4>the very beginning of the first Trump administration, because we

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 4>had seven nations who could not verify the identity of

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 4>the people coming to America and who couldn't tell us

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 4>that they were not a threat or they were safe.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's the question that all Australians and the current

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 4>government needs to consider when reliable polling data since October seventh,

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 4>the massacre of the innocence, and I've watched the unedited

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<v Speaker 4>video from Hamas, the forty seven minute unedited video of

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<v Speaker 4>the slaughter of men, women and children. Every decision maker

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 4>needs to see that when you know that more than

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:02.919
<v Speaker 4>seventy five percent of the population of Gaza in recent

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 4>polling agreed with what happened to those innocent Jews on

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 4>October the seventh. The question is are the people coming

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 4>to your nation or to any free nation.

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<v Speaker 1>In the West.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they in support of the slaughter of innocence or

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 4>are they trying to escape the hellhole that is the

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Palestinian quote unquote gas and territories. If they're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>escape it, that's one thing. If they believe in Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>if they believe in your value system, that's great.

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>But what if they are part of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Seventy five percent who say the slaughter of the innocence

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<v Speaker 4>is justified. That's the question that your nation and every

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 4>decent nation needs to answer for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the security risk that we've been concerned about.

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<v Speaker 2>The Albenze government continues to fund UNRA, sending millions of

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 2>taxpayer dollars to the organization, despite its proven terror links.

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<v Speaker 2>What would your message be to the Albanese government on.

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<v Speaker 4>This, Well, it is not my position to message the

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<v Speaker 4>Australian government.

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<v Speaker 1>I will just say to anyone who's.

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<v Speaker 4>Considering the utility or the mandate of the United Nations,

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 4>which conflicts have they prevented and when they have deployed

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<v Speaker 4>conflict zones, including in Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of what they did actually made it worse?

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<v Speaker 4>We know all about the child prostitution rings, the abuse

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<v Speaker 4>of children in Africa by so called blue helmeted UN troops.

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<v Speaker 4>What does that do to the legitimacy of the entity?

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<v Speaker 4>And now we have you know, anybody can fact check me.

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<v Speaker 4>Here we have people who are working for UNRA, the

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<v Speaker 4>United Nations aid agency in the Middle East, who participated

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<v Speaker 4>willingly in the savage, diabolical attack of October the seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>So ask yourself a question, should.

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<v Speaker 4>Your nation, Should any nation that believes in decency be

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<v Speaker 4>funding and supporting an entity whose employees were a part

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<v Speaker 4>of the greatest massacre of the Jewish people since the

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 4>cessation of hostilities in nineteen forty five and the end

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 4>of the show of the Holocaust. I think the answer

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 4>to that question is rather obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian Goka, good luck combating terrorism in your new role.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for your time, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>to see you again on this program soon.

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>God bless you. The pleasure was mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's easy to see how Trump's national security team

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be pretty unimpressed with the approach taken

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 2>by alban Easy and his lackluster team. Well still to come.

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Could this be the Albenzi government's last sitting week before

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the next election. Cameron Milner has some big views on

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 2>this his political insights coming up plass an interview with

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the former Israeli minister who was blocked from entering our

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>country then ghosted by Tony Burke. Alette Shaked would join

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 2>me live from Israel for that exclusive interview right.

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<v Speaker 3>After this quick break welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, clearly the Albanezi government has decided to drop any

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>remaining shreds of pretense of maintaining good relations with Israel, because,

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>as we've been speaking about it refused to issue a

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>visa to an upstanding Israeli citizen, a former Israeli government minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I let Shakhad.

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<v Speaker 2>She may not be welcome into Australia under Anthony Albanizi,

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 2>but she is and will always be welcome onto Sky News,

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm pleased to say I let joins me now

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>lie from Israel in her first interview.

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<v Speaker 3>I let welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel ashamed this is our government and I'm sure

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>all of my viewers would be feeling the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell us your reaction when you.

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<v Speaker 2>Received the letter saying that your visa was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be refused?

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<v Speaker 13>Sheila, I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, I've been told that this specific government is

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<v Speaker 14>very radical and proper Estinian government, but I never thought

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<v Speaker 14>that they will take such such a decision. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>I was the Minister of Interior as well. I would

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<v Speaker 14>never thought to refuse a visa to a formal official

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 14>of my allies. You know, it's such an undemocratic decision.

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<v Speaker 14>I think your Minister of Interior should be shame of himself.

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<v Speaker 14>That is just trying, you know, to impress radical Muslim

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<v Speaker 14>minority and instead, you know, it's hurting the feeling of

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.959
<v Speaker 14>the Jewish community in Israel and the relationship with Israel.

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 13>You know, I spoke with.

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 14>The Minister of Foreign Affairs in Israel and with the ambassador,

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<v Speaker 14>and definitely there will be consequences to this brutal act.

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<v Speaker 2>That's breaking news that I let what do you mean

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>by consequences? So the Foreign Minister in Israel, Giddi inside,

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>he's well across this situation. I reported at the start

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of the show that he is very angry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>What ramifications or consequences will they be for Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>Let's wait for the ambassador and for the Minister of

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<v Speaker 14>an Affairs.

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<v Speaker 13>To act and to react.

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<v Speaker 14>But I can tell you, you know, it's not that

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 14>they refuse to give me a visa. It's just that

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 14>this government became anti Semitic on October seven, the Hamas Lounge,

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 14>a genocidal, barbaric attack on Israel. And you know, before

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<v Speaker 14>October seventh, I visited Australia. I have family there with

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 14>my beloved aunt and cousins. They are living in Sydney,

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 14>and I visit the Jewish community in Australia.

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 13>We have amazing Zionists Jewish community in Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>And suddenly after October seventh, they changed their mind. So

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<v Speaker 14>I think it's just a disc it's just a shameful

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<v Speaker 14>and disgraceful decision, and it will be just you know,

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 14>a black anacdote on this government and on the history

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 14>of the relationship between the two countries. But I fully

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 14>believe that Israel and Australia are very good allies and

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 14>it doesn't matter what the government.

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 13>Is right now in Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>And I hope of course that next to you you

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 14>would ever knew a government and I will be able

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 14>to come and visit you.

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, certainly hope you will be able to come and

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>visit us again, because it's absurd that, as you said,

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>you were able to come in March last year and

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>visit your family here in Australia. Nothing's changed since then

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 2>except for October seven, an attack by Hamas on Israel.

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Now I understand that Tony Burke actually sent a second

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>letter to you where he told you that he was

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 2>going to review this decision, but then he never got

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>back to you. I mean we call that ghosting. He

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>just never got back to you and you were sitting

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>there waiting to hear. Yeah, tell us.

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<v Speaker 13>Yes. So it got back to me this morning and

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<v Speaker 13>it's still refused to give me a visa.

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<v Speaker 14>It doesn't really matter because the conference is about to

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 14>finish in two days, so I can't come anyway, but

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 14>it's still refusing and as I'm saying, it's just, you know,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 14>undemocratic decision.

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 13>I represented Israel.

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 14>I was Minister of Justice and Minister of Interior exactly

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 14>like himself, and I would have never done such a

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 14>thing to my ally and I think, you know, it's

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 14>just he needs to give answer to the Jewish community

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 14>in Australia about this brutal act.

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 13>And I think that, you know, in the basic issue

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 13>is that they.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 14>Just don't distinguish between good and evil. Israel is fighting

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 14>for a lot. You know, we are fighting in like

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 14>seven frontis against stero organization in the south and in

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 14>the north, this sterile organization Hamas slaughtered our families, burned

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 14>our babies, raped our women.

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 13>Decapitated soldiers.

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 14>And instead of you know, I think that the Democratic

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 14>allies should stand with Israel and say we support Israel

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 14>as a democratic state, we support its right to defend

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 14>itself exactly like the US, and they'll just choose the

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 14>wrong side of the history.

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Now, they blocked you from coming island, but at the

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>same time, this Albanesi government rushed through nearly three thousand

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>visas for Palestinians from Gaza without proper security vetting.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 3>We didn't have anyone on the ground.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is an extreme case of moral confusion,

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 14>Definitely the Australian people will just you know, allow his

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 14>voice and change this government in the current election. Instead

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 14>of giving full support to Israel. They're just you know,

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 14>betrayed our relationship and give just full support for the

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 14>Palestinian They are looking on one side and distort their reality.

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 3>It's an embarrassment to all of us.

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Here Isila shakhad As I said, you're always welcome on

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the show.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for joining us and speaking much.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 3>It's just appalling, isn't it.

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>This isn't how you treat an ally having an existential fight,

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to fight for its very survival. Coming up after

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>the break, speculation is mounting that the PM may call

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 2>the election earlier than May. I'll tell you which date.

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>The alban Easy government is really looking at. Cameron Milner

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and Liz Burke will join me. Plus the debate over

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Labour's social media ban for kids. More coalition figures are

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>vowing to cross the floor. That's coming up after this

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 2>quick break.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, welcome back.

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's bring in now former Labor State Director and

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Farmer chief of Staff to Bill Sholton, Cameron Milner and

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 2>News dot com Dot Au Deputy editor Liz Burke.

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Great to see both of you. Thank you.

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at Labour's social media ban for

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>kids now, This was originally a policy that Peter Dutton

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>first suggested, but now there are key coalition figures like

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Alexantik and Matt Canavan who are expressing concerns and they

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 2>also say they're not going to vote for the laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't think it should be pasted this week. I

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 15>don't understand the haste here. It is a joke, it

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 15>is an embarrassment and we should pause this, extend the

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 15>inquiry and let's take a bit more time to consider

0:38:58.320 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 15>this world leading legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't support it.

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<v Speaker 16>I do think the words banned media should ever be

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 16>in a sentence together. I'm concerned about a whole range

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 16>of issues. The creep is one of them. The powers

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 16>given to the Commissioner.

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Now, the issue of concern Cameron is that everyone would

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>need to give a digital idea.

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that's the case.

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that's the concern that figures and people, you know,

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Australians are holding that everyone adults.

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 3>Included, would need to give a digital ID.

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Labor hasn't actually spelled out how these laws would work,

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, I think the good thing is that there's genuine

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 17>bipartisan support to actually stop this sewer, the sewer that

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 17>is social media out there polluting our young people with

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 17>shameless information. Look, we don't let them take tobacco or smoke,

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 17>or drive a car or get married for for their

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 17>sixteen So I think sixteens are very good and very reasonable,

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 17>sensible decision. So let's work out the detail. But the

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 17>macro is is we've got to turn off this tap.

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 17>We've got to stop the sewer, and we're going to

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 17>stop social media polluting our young people's minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Liz, I think most parents, and this is obviously

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton sense because he's backing these lots, most parents

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>do want a social media ban for kids. It's very

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 2>hard for them to enforce. But there is at the

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 2>same time growing concern that everyone would have to give

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 2>their identity to use the internet.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, that's right, And like you said, there's not heaps

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 18>of detail around that at the moment.

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 3>The Senate Committee.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 18>Did publish its inquiry its report this evening and there

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 18>is a recommendation in there around the digital ID So

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 18>that's going to force some detail there. I think we'll certainly,

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 18>you know, start to see a bit more of what's

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 18>actually going to be proposed and what could be effective.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 18>I think though, like you said, it's very popular proposal

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 18>among parents, and a lot of people who support this

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 18>I don't think are really concerned with the detail. Like

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 18>you said, Cameron, it's more about the macro and I

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 18>think there's a rush to get this through. There's both

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 18>a real rush from the government to get a popular

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 18>policy through ahead of an election, and I think there's

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 18>a perceived rush among parents. That's more to do with

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 18>I guess the fleeting nature of youth. I mean, in reality,

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 18>these laws aren't going to be in effect until you know,

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 18>twenty twenty six. They won't actually be able to enforce

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 18>that legislation. But I think there's fear that if it's

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 18>delayed any further, then more and more Australian children are

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 18>going to outgrow these protections. So if it's delayed any further,

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 18>if it's not going to get passed, then you know

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 18>that just kind of leaves more children vulnerable.

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 3>Cameron.

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.959
<v Speaker 2>I want to turn to your piece in the Nightly now.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I think you're predicting a March eight election day. That's

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>my birthday, by the way, So these could be if

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you're right, this week could be the last week of

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the alban Ezy government, in last sitting week before the election.

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 3>What do you think? What are you hearing about when

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 3>the election is going to be called?

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<v Speaker 17>Well, I don't think they can keep going the way

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 17>they are and Parliament is an absolute shamozel, an absolute

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 17>shamodel are I mean, the Greens and Liberals are tag

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 17>teaming their attacks on labor, and labour's being sort of

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 17>beaten up around the chambers, all around the place, and

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 17>they've lost control of Parliament. So there's no point to

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 17>go back, no point to go back. And I don't

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 17>think the budget is going to be the bounce that

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 17>they want either, so leaving it right out to May

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 17>doesn't make a lot of sense. Call the election straight

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 17>after Christmas when people are feeling good about themselves. Got

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 17>a bit of a buzz calling on Australia Day for

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 17>March eight. I think makes an awful lot of sense.

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 2>If people are feeling good about themselves. I mean, there's

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be a lot of families who are going

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>to be struggling to buy Christmas presents for their children.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>They'll be disappointed at children. It could be a complete mess. Liz,

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>what's your sense do you think the Prime Minister is

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>going to want to return to Parliament next year or

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>will you try and avoid that.

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 18>I think there's a pretty good case, like you just said,

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 18>to avoid it. I mean, things aren't really going to

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 18>get better for families, you know, between now and Australia Day,

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.439
<v Speaker 18>between now and March eight, between now and May twenty five,

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.840
<v Speaker 18>if that's when the election is, you know, cost of

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 18>living is not going to go down, affordability is not

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 18>going to get any easier. Things are likely to get

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 18>worse for families. The only sense in holding out would

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 18>be maybe if they're banking on, you know, a rate cut,

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 18>but that's you know.

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't put your money off in that now. It's

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:18.320
<v Speaker 3>not going to happen.

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 18>It's certainly not going to happen before March. It's very

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 18>unlikely to happen before May. So yeah, and we know

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 18>also that the budget is slated for May twenty five.

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 18>With the numbers that they've got to work with, sorry,

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 18>March twenty five, With the numbers that they've got to

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 18>work with, it's going to be really, really difficult to

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 18>produce an election winning budget, So if they can avoid

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 18>that altogether, then that's probably an advantage.

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Cameron, what do you reckon about this?

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Because Jim Chalmers has delivered two surpluses, you know, a

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 2>huge feat.

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 3>The Coalition wasn't able to deliver a surplus.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 2>But the next budget will be in severe deficits. So

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>do you think they're going to want to avoid that

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>or they're just going to have the budget and argue

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 2>that well, they delivered too, and the Coalition did it.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 17>I think it's good that we've got surpluses, but I

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 17>don't think voters who are under massive crisis, cost of

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 17>living crisis pretty particularly care about that. They do care

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 17>about labor debt and deficit though, and they'll care about

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 17>the fact that Charmers in March next year has to

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 17>tell everyone that inflation's going back up again. His budget

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 17>only buys those power bills for so long, and they'll

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 17>have to return to what the RBA is saying, which

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 17>is it interest rates and inflation are under pressure in

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 17>the back half of twenty twenty five. So the budget

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 17>is not going to be a great document because of externalities,

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 17>not because of what Chalmer's plan is, but because you've

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 17>actually got to bring to book all those problems that

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.439
<v Speaker 17>Labour's got on the horizon and voters will then see

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 17>it in plane.

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Riding and Liz Dutton does still have the edge.

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 2>The Coalition traditionally has the edge on economic management, but

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's even exacerbated given the extreme cost of

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>living crisis that Australians are going through.

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, and look, I mean if Cameron's right about his

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 18>election date, maybe it'll be a Dutton government that has

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 18>to hand down the next budget anyway, which is looking

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.399
<v Speaker 18>pretty dismal. But it'll be an easier self for them

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 18>to have to, you know, deliver a budget that's maybe

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 18>not so popular when they're being seen as being lunked

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 18>with Labour's mess.

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Then you know, then it would be.

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 18>For Charmers to have to hand down his budget when

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 18>he's been I guess in control of the economy for

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 18>all these years. But with the surplus issue, I mean,

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.919
<v Speaker 18>to voters really care about about a surplus? I think,

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 18>especially in times like now, it's more about you know,

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 18>what's in it? For me as a voter, I'll often

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.879
<v Speaker 18>see the surplus as you know, government's crowing about having

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 18>all of this excess amount of money, although that's not

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.359
<v Speaker 18>really exactly what it is. It's almost like, you know,

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 18>if you're working at a company and they're announcing delivering

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.280
<v Speaker 18>massive profits for their shareholders, but as an employee, you're going, well,

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 18>where's my pay increase?

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean?

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 10>Like?

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 18>I think, I don't think a surplus is as impressive

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 18>and as much of a vote winner people or maybe government.

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Their own family budget.

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, foremost completely Cameron, what do I question?

0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Without notice?

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>As they say, do you there's any chance alban Easy

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.240
<v Speaker 2>will be rolled before the next election.

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.240
<v Speaker 17>Well, that's the other reason for not coming back, because

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 17>the last opportunity for Caucus to neck him this year

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 17>was yesterday unfortunately, So if the Labor comes back, there'll

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 17>be four more Caucus meetings and four more opportunities. So

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 17>going to election before Labor Caucus can actually review him

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 17>might be a good thing.

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 2>And there has been some chatter about Tony Burke being

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 2>a little bit ambitious.

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 17>Burke has always been ambitious, blindingly ambitious, and is the

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 17>sort of guy who would actually roll the dice on

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 17>a leadership.

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Liz, very quickly, before we go, I want to touch

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 2>on the campaign Thatnews Dot COM's running at the moment,

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:42.320
<v Speaker 2>take the stand, tell.

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Me about it. Yeah, that's right.

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 18>So we are campaigning for survivors of sexual assault, who

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:54.520
<v Speaker 18>overwhelmingly report that when they enter the justice system, they

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 18>come out of it more traumatized than when they entered it.

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 18>In many cases, we've had women report to us that

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 18>they have actually found the experience of going through court,

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.399
<v Speaker 18>even at times when their offender was found guilty, when

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 18>they've had justice, that that experience has actually been traumatic.

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 18>Then the event that more traumatic than the event that

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 18>led them there. So we're campaigning for eight cost effective

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 18>changes that governments can implement right now that will help survivors.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.280
<v Speaker 18>And Nina Finel, the journalist who is producing this campaign,

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:29.280
<v Speaker 18>has got some really extraordinary stories, exclusive stories of women

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.359
<v Speaker 18>and their tales of survival and the trauma that they've

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 18>been through with the courts. I really encourage everyone to

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 18>check it out. There's a petition associated that you can

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 18>sign as well.

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Well done on that important work, Lizbert Camera Milner.

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Great to see you. Thanks all support. Now don't go anywhere.

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll give my final thoughts on Pennywong's comments about the

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>ICC warrants to arrest Ned and Yahoo.

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 3>That's after the break now.

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>A former un official, Ramesh the cur has made the

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 2>point in the Odds today that the panel that ICC

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Prosecutor Karim Khan selected either had personal links to him

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 2>or were already on the record accusing Israel of war

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 2>crimes that they were asked to investigate. This was never

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be an impartial investigation. They didn't even step

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 2>foot in Israel. And tonight Alexander Downer has said that

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>he regrets signing Australia up to the ICC when he

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>was Foreign Minister. It is now time to leave. I'll

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.720
<v Speaker 2>see you again eight o'clock Thursday. Here's poor Murray