Speaker 1: Josh Papa Lee Papa best bloke in rugby league. This Sunday,
Speaker 1: when the Big Fellow plays, He's three hundred and nineteenth
Speaker 1: game for the Raiders club record. It'll be the greatest
Speaker 1: thing down there since Bob Hawk and John Howell. He's
Speaker 1: slice of bread, bigger than when the much loved Jared
Speaker 1: Croaker celebrated.
Speaker 2: He's three hundreds at home.
Speaker 1: And yeah, bigger than when Big mal Maninger retired Viking
Speaker 1: clapper from wayback. As young fellow, Noah understands the normity.
Speaker 2: Of at allody.
Speaker 3: Make sure you'd be there God to see my dad
Speaker 3: Lamar week fun.
Speaker 2: Coach Ricky Stewart loves him.
Speaker 4: A really important game week for our club and for
Speaker 4: those we all love h Joshrah party and.
Speaker 1: He's the captain Joey Tarpan's best mate. Papa is the
Speaker 1: ultimate contradiction, a fearless wrecking ball out there leaving parts
Speaker 1: of destruction. Get a real softy off the field. Every
Speaker 1: week before run on he writes the name of six
Speaker 1: kids on his wrist and even when he runs over
Speaker 1: an opponent, mobster often go back and dust him off
Speaker 1: and make sure he's okay.
Speaker 5: Do that.
Speaker 1: Coach once asked him to belve the tripe out of
Speaker 1: Cooper Kronk. Papa refused, saying I had too much respect
Speaker 1: for his origin teammate, if not a performing New South
Speaker 1: Wales origin back row Jamie Computer. When a rookie makes
Speaker 1: the Raiders squad but without a big money contract, eyes
Speaker 1: in a new pair of boots and you'll notice he's
Speaker 1: always last off the field, not because he's slow, but
Speaker 1: because he can never say no.
Speaker 2: To his fans.
Speaker 1: Treats everyone the same, and then he talks. We all
Speaker 1: lean forward two reasons. One speaks very quietly and two
Speaker 1: makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: I hate talking in front of the group, not because
Speaker 3: I'm scared or anything. It's getting nervous and emotional.
Speaker 1: Poppa's been making everyone he plays with play about us
Speaker 1: since twenty eleven, when he made is taboo as a teenage.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Try counting slowly, twenty eleven right through to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Fifteen years. Yeah, it's three hundred and nineteen first grade
Speaker 1: games and off your Raiders cap to the best bloke
Speaker 1: in rugby league.
Speaker 4: It's a one and only Josh.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to winner of three sixty red League
Speaker 2: from every angle during him in the Great Gordon tell
Speaker 2: Us ok Let's Dring the Journey, Australian James Superan, David Riccio.
Speaker 2: But Josh Papa Lee. What a player, what man and
Speaker 2: big Papa through the one hundred and nineteen games and
Speaker 2: most capped for the Canberra Raiders ever Gordon.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable with that club, the players that they've had go
Speaker 3: through there for Josh Papa Lee to.
Speaker 2: Play the most games.
Speaker 3: I was surprised when he first got picked for Queensland,
Speaker 3: but I soon become a fan.
Speaker 2: He's a proper enforcer.
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that let his actions do
Speaker 3: the talking, a real enforcer in the middle. And what
Speaker 3: a player like to be that big, to play the
Speaker 3: minutes that he has, you know, the collisions that he's got.
Speaker 3: It's really worthy to to someone like this in this
Speaker 3: rich club.
Speaker 6: Champion player. Gordion also champ in Bloke and it was
Speaker 6: evident from early on he took on Paul Gallon, who
Speaker 6: was one of those feared forwards in the competition at
Speaker 6: the time when he was only a very young player.
Speaker 6: It was in a final series back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 6: and I think from that point on. People always knew
Speaker 6: that Papa was going to be a special player. It
Speaker 6: wasn't always going to be at the Green Machine. Because
Speaker 6: at one point, when Ricky Stewart had that one season
Speaker 6: at Paramatta, he actually agreed to go and join the Yels,
Speaker 6: And it was only that they had that round thirteen
Speaker 6: clause then that you could convince players to backflip. It
Speaker 6: was only that Donnie Ferner got the puppa and convinced
Speaker 6: him that he was best suited to remain at the Raiders.
Speaker 6: Ricky then ends up back at Canberra the following season anyway,
Speaker 6: which was the reason he was going to Paramatta. So
Speaker 6: it's worked out perfectly, and I'd argue that he is
Speaker 6: up there with all of the greatest Raiders players, from
Speaker 6: Ricky to Lorrie Tol to Bradley Clyde, given what he's
Speaker 6: done for the club.
Speaker 7: I reckon that's one of the best Fox left packages
Speaker 7: that's ever been produced, and that was such a special
Speaker 7: piece and it encapsulates.
Speaker 8: The camera Raiders. We all know that they're not.
Speaker 7: The sexiest club. They have to they fight to recruit,
Speaker 7: but inside their.
Speaker 8: Walls they know what they're about.
Speaker 7: And he epitomizes that club, and that's what they don't
Speaker 7: care what the rest of the world think because they've
Speaker 7: got people like Big Papa inside the walls. And to
Speaker 7: be fair, it's him. It's his status that makes them
Speaker 7: makes the club such.
Speaker 2: A great record.
Speaker 3: He's a recruitment tool, specially his son, the little Mini Me.
Speaker 2: They're signing him.
Speaker 6: There's already under contract. Donny Ferner told us a funny
Speaker 6: story this week where they had a tribute lunch at
Speaker 6: raw Camber Golf Course for Josh on Monday, and there's
Speaker 6: a putting green outside the function room and when he
Speaker 6: signed with the Yels, Ricky Suret was having his golf
Speaker 6: day at the same course and don had to go
Speaker 6: and front Ricky this is back in twenty twelve and
Speaker 6: tell him, hey, mate, listen, I just want to let
Speaker 6: you know Papa's backflipped and he's staying with us.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he said.
Speaker 6: When he told him, they had to then go and
Speaker 6: play it and hal he said he was looking over
Speaker 6: his shoulder the whole time he thought Ricky was going
Speaker 6: to come. But then when Ricky came back to Camberra
Speaker 6: he said, mate, she's I'm glad that you got him
Speaker 6: to backflip. Because he is so influential around the group.
Speaker 2: One of the best things ever done the Camber Raiders,
Speaker 2: Josh Papa Lee. We celebrate him this weekend, but let's
Speaker 2: celebrate their team and they're playing roster, their group and
Speaker 2: their achievements this year. And Ricky Stewart would this go
Speaker 2: down as one of his best ever achievements. The season
Speaker 2: he's having at the moment with his team.
Speaker 6: I think it is because if you go back to
Speaker 6: when Jack Watten decided that he wanted to leave the
Speaker 6: club and go to South Sydney, and the narrative was
Speaker 6: that he wanted to try and tick the premiership box
Speaker 6: with the Bunnies. That then forced the Raiders it wasn't
Speaker 6: their plan. They wanted to retain Jack, made him a
Speaker 6: four year offer I think it was four million dollars
Speaker 6: or more at the time, but that then forced him
Speaker 6: to pivot in terms of their recruitment strategies and it
Speaker 6: led to the emergence of Ethan Strange. They went and
Speaker 6: so on Ethan Sanders. They've clearly decided that they want
Speaker 6: to get some youth mixed in amongst those awesome senior
Speaker 6: forwards like Papa, like Joe Tarpenha like Hudson young that
Speaker 6: are all established players and the balance of that team
Speaker 6: now it's one of the most dangerous attacking sides, if
Speaker 6: not the most lethful attacking side.
Speaker 2: Said they were to start started team at the start
Speaker 2: of the year, they have transformed into one now and
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys that were good players and
Speaker 2: now turning into great players and all and all, they're
Speaker 2: just a great team. Ricky's had to build this team,
Speaker 2: hasn't He hasn't been easy to a lot of people
Speaker 2: at home. They wouldn't know that, and they've heard over
Speaker 2: the years, but how hard it is to attract players
Speaker 2: to camera. It's kind of it's out of the way.
Speaker 3: They well they were Queensland as early. Then they went
Speaker 3: with the Englishman. Now they've gone with young kids that
Speaker 3: no one really knows. Do they have a million dollar player?
Speaker 2: I don't think he's beyond a million dollars, do you?
Speaker 2: I was thinking today how many players would be close
Speaker 2: to a million dollars or would they be on a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 7: The point being not in their spine and that's where
Speaker 7: your million dollars sits for most of the premiership win
Speaker 7: he sides. So what he's getting out of the team
Speaker 7: when they aren't. You know, the big bickie players is significant.
Speaker 7: And what I love about the this Raiders team and
Speaker 7: the way Ricky Stewart's got them going is that it
Speaker 7: goes there. It goes against everything that Ricky Stewart.
Speaker 8: Is what we know and love. He's a competitor, he's
Speaker 8: a winner, right but to get.
Speaker 7: That, he's had to suffer some some bruises along the
Speaker 7: way because by playing the kids, he knew it was
Speaker 7: going to have to play the long game.
Speaker 8: He's not the most patient.
Speaker 7: Bloke, but he's had to play a patient game and
Speaker 7: and that's that pivoting as a coach shows his class
Speaker 7: as a coach.
Speaker 3: And it's refreshing for me to watch the Raiders play
Speaker 3: their style of footing. So many sides cookie cutter approach,
Speaker 3: follow the Melbourne Storm, try to follow Penrith, you know,
Speaker 3: and they follow this other real successful sides.
Speaker 2: But Raiders play their.
Speaker 3: Style of footy and every week they tend to win
Speaker 3: different you know, whether it's defense or attack, or off
Speaker 3: floads or through the middle.
Speaker 2: And they're surprising a lot of souls.
Speaker 7: Ethan Sanders is a great example of what they're developing
Speaker 7: and as far as key positions are concerned at the
Speaker 7: footy club, Jamal Forgerty misses that game against the Roosters
Speaker 7: and Sanders comes in and just holds holds the gloves
Speaker 7: up and gets the job.
Speaker 2: And they've got speed to burn too, like just speed
Speaker 2: on their edges and fall back in.
Speaker 3: And hasn't even become cold yet. That's when they shine degrees.
Speaker 6: But the other reason why you can argue that it
Speaker 6: is one of Ricky's forignest coaching achievements. You go back
Speaker 6: to the Roosters and the Star Started teams wins the
Speaker 6: premiership in two thousand and two his first year in coaching.
Speaker 6: Makes a couple of Grand finals off the back of it,
Speaker 6: but that team was an absolute role gold gold plated
Speaker 6: Star Started side. You look at this side right now
Speaker 6: and yes, Joey Tappany is close to a million dollar player,
Speaker 6: and Pappa's a champion and Hudson Young's now a senior
Speaker 6: representedive forward.
Speaker 2: But aside from.
Speaker 6: That, yeah, you compare those teams and for what Ricky's
Speaker 6: the trajectory that he's got them going on it and
Speaker 6: out to all of.
Speaker 2: That, a very interesting subplot this weekend with Jack White
Speaker 2: and returning. After leaving to win a premiership at Sears,
Speaker 2: he returns back to Cambran. Despite all the speculation, Anthony
Speaker 2: Sebold is confident that Jaboievich brothers will finish their careers
Speaker 2: at Mainly take a look.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're both really passionate about the club. They both
Speaker 5: want to start at the club.
Speaker 2: The club. You know, we want to keep them.
Speaker 5: Peter General and Tony Mestrov met with with their agent
Speaker 5: post Foot as well. You know, do you want to
Speaker 5: keep the taboy bitch is around the club. It's just
Speaker 5: a matter of making sure it's the it's the ideals
Speaker 5: for both of those guys. Whilst I'm coaching the club
Speaker 5: and you want to have Turbo in our playing group and.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wouldn't want to. I can't play over
Speaker 2: in the Super League, that's for sure. Okay. There are
Speaker 2: two brothers, two players to unpack here, two legends of
Speaker 2: the Manly Seagulls. Let's start with Tom. Tom Jaboye Ofvich
Speaker 2: off contract twenty twenty seven. I believe said he'd take
Speaker 2: a pay cut, even said he go to Super League.
Speaker 2: What a gentleman, what a professional, what a human being?
Speaker 2: It doesn't want to play against Manly Seagles ever. Showed
Speaker 2: a lot of sacrifice in that wanted to take a
Speaker 2: pay cut there. I think it was last year we
Speaker 2: spoke about it on the show. What's happening there with Tom?
Speaker 2: What does it look like? Where does his future light
Speaker 2: the man? See?
Speaker 7: Look, I understand Tom's management are going to sit down
Speaker 7: with the mainly Seagulls in the next couple of weeks
Speaker 7: just to try and map this out, because as we know, he.
Speaker 8: Is such a for everything you just said, he's so.
Speaker 7: Significant on the Northern Beaches for that football club and
Speaker 7: he does not want to leave. He just doesn't want
Speaker 7: to play against any other play for any other NRL club.
Speaker 7: So that's where the English Super League option has become
Speaker 7: the other option because.
Speaker 2: But he's on one point one. Let's just get in
Speaker 2: the bottom of that one point one at the moment.
Speaker 2: Mainly how much of a haircut would he need to
Speaker 2: take to stay significant? Significant? Are we talking?
Speaker 7: And I'm saying that respectfully because of the games he's playing,
Speaker 7: I think he comes down to that seven hundred mark.
Speaker 2: Okay, agreed?
Speaker 6: Well, no, I think I'd like to see what happens
Speaker 6: for the remainder of this season, Like if he gets
Speaker 6: back on the field and he's able to punch the
Speaker 6: rest of the season out and he gets back to
Speaker 6: that form, that destructive where he's breaking tackles, making wine breaks.
Speaker 2: Really the problem is since he won the Daian Medal
Speaker 2: and even that year, he hasn't looked one hundred percent
Speaker 2: healthy at all, Like at any time even when he plays,
Speaker 2: he looks like he's playing injured. It's it's hard, hard
Speaker 2: to watch and I can only imagine what he's going
Speaker 2: through himself, and I feel for him.
Speaker 6: Well, I've tried a lot, and that's what.
Speaker 2: It is. A business still in fact what you're saying,
Speaker 2: you know, like they've got to protect their their and salary.
Speaker 2: They got a lot of young young man.
Speaker 3: He showed the other night that he's ready to take
Speaker 3: over the number one jersey.
Speaker 2: But you don't want to lose Tom. But withoud the
Speaker 2: game sign seven hundred wouldn't.
Speaker 7: Well, this is the catch for everything we've just said
Speaker 7: about Tom. Is Tom really going to just just hang
Speaker 7: around like put the burden on the.
Speaker 2: Club around he was?
Speaker 7: Still there will have to be tough conversations in and
Speaker 7: around his physical capabilities and his body.
Speaker 8: That has to be you can't sign re sign.
Speaker 3: Him, But wouldn't he play a sound concern and have
Speaker 3: the same impact on a game?
Speaker 7: Well, that has to Yeah, in order to keep Lehi
Speaker 7: Hoppawati's fullback, Absolutely, there's going to have to be a positional.
Speaker 3: Change, and I think other clubs would put up with that.
Speaker 3: But if you say I'm going to sign Tom for
Speaker 3: seven hundred, because there'd be a club that would want
Speaker 3: Tom to play fullback.
Speaker 2: He's seven hundred a bit much for a cent today,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You're happy to you you're not. You're
Speaker 2: not buying the center you're buying. I have to ask
Speaker 2: the question, like if I'm manly, and the loyalty that
Speaker 2: he's shown even though he's been injured, and the sacrifice
Speaker 2: he is willing to make for the team you're paying
Speaker 2: more just to have him there.
Speaker 8: The influence, the leadership.
Speaker 2: Every club craves.
Speaker 7: Leaders within their team, and Tom's influence on a Lehigh
Speaker 7: Hoppowarty coming through the next gen of manly players coming through.
Speaker 7: You can't deny that it actually adds dollars to his salary.
Speaker 7: So look, I'd be comfortable with that, but there has
Speaker 7: to be a tough conversation in and around his body.
Speaker 6: If you go back a decade, it was Brett Stewart.
Speaker 6: There was a young Tommy Turbo coming through and Tom
Speaker 6: initially played a lot on the wing because Snake was
Speaker 6: still such a superstar of the game. But on with
Speaker 6: Dave in that, I think you've got to keep him
Speaker 6: at the club given everything that he has done for
Speaker 6: that jersey to date. But you have got to strike
Speaker 6: the right price. I'd think seven hundred be as much
Speaker 6: as you can pay, give them what he's been able
Speaker 6: to get out of his body out the last couple
Speaker 6: of seasons.
Speaker 7: I waved the Perth franchise flag to his management today and.
Speaker 8: That was waved away again. Look, so not even the
Speaker 8: new clubs.
Speaker 3: So Tom does not want to play for anybody out,
Speaker 3: same as Jake, because I think the Dogs offered him
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Said no, that's right, yeah, all right, what about Jake.
Speaker 2: He's the same of contract twenty twenty seven, six eighty six.
Speaker 7: Right, So the situation there would be is very much
Speaker 7: a Luke Keary style of deal where let's have if
Speaker 7: you recall that Luke Kiri with the Rooster's a very
Speaker 7: much open communication right, Luke, Let's see how you're going.
Speaker 8: You see how you're going, We'll see how we're going.
Speaker 7: And then let's just be honest with each other, same story,
Speaker 7: same family, super honest. Jake won't muck around, and I
Speaker 7: think there's a one year deal in it for Jake,
Speaker 7: but again, it has to come back.
Speaker 2: Salary was what's what's he around now at the moment.
Speaker 7: Well, he's sitting up at around nine hundred, so yeah,
Speaker 7: he's got to come back a fair bit.
Speaker 6: He won't get anywhere, But I don't think Jake will
Speaker 6: have an issue with no because he's gone on record.
Speaker 6: Like when Daily did what he did and decided that
Speaker 6: he didn't want to be part of the club anymore.
Speaker 6: Jake was one of the players who fronted up answered
Speaker 6: the tough questions, said that he could never do this
Speaker 6: for Manly and I have got no doubt in the
Speaker 6: world that he would make the sacrifice for the team.
Speaker 6: He's been well paid for the last few seasons, but
Speaker 6: I think he would be prepared at this stage of
Speaker 6: his career to finish on.
Speaker 2: I think he's playing for a few more years. If
Speaker 2: you be looking like he blokes at the end of its
Speaker 2: time boys, I d gets dropped. Who gets captain for Coinsland?
Speaker 2: So I'm still after that slot captain for coinsly An.
Speaker 2: You better fask in the raging.
Speaker 3: There's this you think Harry Grant's going to be there
Speaker 3: for a long time. You think someone like Tina being
Speaker 3: a leader at the club. Both of those guys captain
Speaker 3: there are their clubs. But at the moment DC's a
Speaker 3: captain Tommy Deed and if he comes in maybe him.
Speaker 3: He's got Cameron Munster like all those guys like there's
Speaker 3: natural leaders there so and you got Paddy Carrigan like
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: So there's enough. Who do you have? Though? You got
Speaker 2: to pick one right now. I'd pick Tina or Harry.
Speaker 7: So the concern for me on that, Gordy is Tino's
Speaker 7: playing in around fifty minutes a game about fifty five Again,
Speaker 7: in that Origin one performance, Harry Grant needed a spell.
Speaker 7: He's actually yeah, he's only played two games in six weeks. Now,
Speaker 7: Harry Green's probably going to need another spell in Origin two.
Speaker 3: I get that, but sometimes when you're like, when you're captain,
Speaker 3: it's not about the game, it's about the week, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's about the leading it's about the belief
Speaker 3: that you're going to give to other guys.
Speaker 2: It's about the message that.
Speaker 3: You can deliver, right, And I haven't like and I
Speaker 3: haven't been around the group, and I know Tino. When
Speaker 3: you talk to him, he gives your confidence. Harry Grant
Speaker 3: is probably that same guy.
Speaker 6: I'd pick your man, I'd pick your man monster because
Speaker 6: where Coensland are at the moment, this is no disrespect,
Speaker 6: but they were convincingly beaten in that game, even though
Speaker 6: the score one was a eight and six off. And
Speaker 6: you see and you were when you've got the captaincy
Speaker 6: next to your name, it made you play. It makes
Speaker 6: the best players may better. That's the best point the
Speaker 6: circuit break.
Speaker 3: And that's the best who's going to play better with
Speaker 3: the c beside? Because some it's a burden, Like you
Speaker 3: can see some people and they carry it and it
Speaker 3: can be a burden with some guys and that it
Speaker 3: doesn't make them play better. Yeah, like they get annoyed
Speaker 3: it and some guys just gay.
Speaker 2: That's me.
Speaker 8: Well the concern for me, Gordy.
Speaker 7: With Harry as good a leader he is, he had
Speaker 7: a career low performance in Origin one where he.
Speaker 8: Almost overplayed his hand. He tried so hard.
Speaker 6: He won't play that bad, understand but you would.
Speaker 8: Want Harry just make a focus on your own game.
Speaker 7: Don't like if he walks into campus.
Speaker 2: So you're telling us we've got options.
Speaker 7: Anyway, So you're going to get more advice for some
Speaker 7: new self welshman. I'm going with Munster as well, because
Speaker 7: he has that capability of saying, come on, boys, get
Speaker 7: on my back, let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does.
Speaker 3: But does he play better with it or will Munster
Speaker 3: be Cameron Munster?
Speaker 2: No? I reckon and he would.
Speaker 6: I reckon he played the style of character and the
Speaker 6: style of player. He would revel in the responsibility, do
Speaker 6: you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think he'd be great captain. I
Speaker 2: know that it would be a privilege for him, and
Speaker 2: I know that he would love the responsibility. I haven't
Speaker 2: spoken to him about it, but yeah, and if he's
Speaker 2: going to, if there's any team that he I think
Speaker 2: he'd performed even better at, would be Queensland as a captain,
Speaker 2: as a leader, because it means so much to him.
Speaker 2: I've never met a guy who so passionate about his state.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it could only be a good thing. Now,
Speaker 2: I didn't move into half back. Who's the fourteen.
Speaker 7: I think they'll go to the eighteenth man of Origin one,
Speaker 7: Kurt Man. I think they'll use him, and I know
Speaker 7: how impressed they were during Origin one as far as
Speaker 7: what Kurt brought to that camp, but also to we
Speaker 7: know his capability as a utility. He can play a
Speaker 7: number of positions, and I think it's his chance.
Speaker 2: Kirk Man before.
Speaker 6: Billy said on TV on Sunday, was quite telling when
Speaker 6: he said the definition if if you think they're on
Speaker 6: the same thing is going to get a different result,
Speaker 6: then you're probably kidding yourself. So I'm talking a lot
Speaker 6: of people around the game. There is a bit of
Speaker 6: a feeling that it might not just be one change Gordy,
Speaker 6: that there could be significant changes. Possibly the Hammer and
Speaker 6: Holmes switch around, so Hammer ends up on the wing
Speaker 6: and Holmes goes into the centers. I've heard Reid Marny's
Speaker 6: they mentioned that he could come in and Harry could
Speaker 6: go back to fourteen. To answer your question, Brace, So
Speaker 6: I don't think Billy's ruling anything out at this stage,
Speaker 6: but I thought that was quite telling his comments.
Speaker 3: And we struggle to score points and if Reese wolves
Speaker 3: comes back and shoots the lights out. Maybe he could
Speaker 3: get fourteen and then Ponger has paid in the middle.
Speaker 3: You just don't know. Like these, we've got options, Ezra
Speaker 3: man Man, Harry Grant. If we start somebody else and
Speaker 3: so we've got you got Gody, Well.
Speaker 2: We've got enough.
Speaker 3: We've got enough, and then we win with our options.
Speaker 2: A lot of is up in the air for Queensland,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be interesting to see how that
Speaker 2: plays out over the weekend. Who's in line to replace
Speaker 2: Barnett Paul Barnett injured on the weekend, who steps up
Speaker 2: in his role?
Speaker 6: I like Kele and Cala Matungi. That's just an opinion.
Speaker 6: Watchingim against the Warriors, I thought he was his work
Speaker 6: rate since he's moved in the middle. Big Motor played
Speaker 6: Origin before and rose to that level. So that's just
Speaker 6: an opinion. But I think the male is Stefano will
Speaker 6: probably be the way that they go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly the male is Stefanomano.
Speaker 8: Again, I'll come back to Origin.
Speaker 2: Coaches love these guys that have.
Speaker 8: Already been part of camps and and that's.
Speaker 7: Exactly what Stefano was as the eighteenth nineteenth man in
Speaker 7: camp one, and it's the natural progression for him to
Speaker 7: step up and start in this matter. He's Look, he's
Speaker 7: a big body. And Craig Bellamy is another key influence here.
Speaker 3: He knows when you start and play eighty minutes, they
Speaker 3: kick off, logical kick off to him, psychological win what
Speaker 3: he can't play at him minute?
Speaker 2: You got will they kick off to it? All right?
Speaker 2: I was just asking you a question. Will they kicked
Speaker 2: the board? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Okay, But if he comes on and he starts with
Speaker 3: those guys in the middle, I'm sure you.
Speaker 2: Kick to it.
Speaker 3: But if you come on after all the tough stuff's
Speaker 3: done after twenty five minutes to Hey, I'm just asking
Speaker 3: suggest question.
Speaker 2: Start him.
Speaker 7: You're suggesting, you're suggesting he ducks the hard stuff.
Speaker 2: I never said that.
Speaker 8: You just said that suggesting.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't what what's hard? The game goes for
Speaker 3: eighty minutes. We've all wanted to duck the hard stuff.
Speaker 3: You never said. I never said he did. I said,
Speaker 3: why don't you pick him? And he plays eighty minutes.
Speaker 2: Minutes the game.
Speaker 6: In the game plays eighty minutes.
Speaker 3: That does Glenn Lazars does. Okay, Well, don't beg your
Speaker 3: own teammates.
Speaker 2: I just said, you said I'd pick him and play
Speaker 2: eighty minutes, just kick the ball, and all he said
Speaker 2: he can't after him. Maybe I feel no faith.
Speaker 8: In suggesting he's not tough enough.
Speaker 2: I never can feel it. I can sense it from you.
Speaker 2: What is that tough for twenty eighty minutes?
Speaker 8: Yeah, but he's only playing twenty five off the beach.
Speaker 2: You're saying, cool, all right, let's move on. Well, well,
Speaker 2: well lucky he's a bulldog day after all that. That's
Speaker 2: actually this is roll the tape. You know.
Speaker 7: I love your work, breath, absolutely love your work. I'm
Speaker 7: not as holding on this as what you are. I'm
Speaker 7: really not. I still I still think all thads, all
Speaker 7: roads lead to Paramatter. There's still my even money favorites.
Speaker 2: I've still got Paramo.
Speaker 8: I've still got Paramatter favorite.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, so only a few weeks ago, you
Speaker 2: just explained what happened there.
Speaker 7: It was he shook hands with Paramatter on the Friday.
Speaker 7: I understand management, his management, sugar, So it wasn't that
Speaker 7: far off the mark break, all right, so what just
Speaker 7: respect respect and said, you know, when you don't remember
Speaker 7: months they shook hands with Wayne Bennett and that was
Speaker 7: very similar.
Speaker 2: Didn't happen, didn't respectfully.
Speaker 6: The Paramatta fairy tale, the ringer ring arose you that
Speaker 6: he was ever going to go to the Eels, and
Speaker 6: that they shook hands in the corporate box.
Speaker 2: And that was not confident. I thought you would have been,
Speaker 2: he said all Via Belmore. It was because I remember
Speaker 2: at the time it was heavy heavy. I say this.
Speaker 8: I just I just couldn't see how and why they
Speaker 8: signed him. I don't know how they why would they
Speaker 8: try and fit him in?
Speaker 6: Well, he wanted he wanted coaching, and he wanted football
Speaker 6: developed with that and those boxes both ticked at Canterbury
Speaker 6: Banks down given where they sit on the ladder. I
Speaker 6: actually think that the Paramatta narrative was a complete thurfy
Speaker 6: throw off, smoke screen fairy tale the tire time. I
Speaker 6: do don't because I genuinely believe that.
Speaker 8: Lookie says it himself. I spoke to Jason Roles him.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he spoke to him.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't, Okay, So he agreed.
Speaker 6: With Paramatter on the Friday, and then all of a
Speaker 6: sudden he flipped on the Saturday and decided he wanted
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 7: That the story's going with you believe that's I'm only
Speaker 7: going to want to the kid says.
Speaker 2: Are any clear to where he will play it on
Speaker 2: the weekend.
Speaker 8: I still feel like he'll come off the bench brave looks.
Speaker 7: I've certainly got no confirmation whatsoever, but I just don't see.
Speaker 8: The point in easing this kid in. Like just he's
Speaker 8: an NFL player play NRL.
Speaker 3: So when you bring him in, he's going to put
Speaker 3: noses out of joint. So you're just train him straight
Speaker 3: in there now and get the noses out of joint
Speaker 3: now or in two weeks.
Speaker 7: Again, the feedback is he hasn't put the noses out
Speaker 7: of joint.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Cameron Serraldo spoke at his press conference about seeking the
Speaker 7: leadership group's advice before signing off on Gavin to ensure
Speaker 7: that this, as you're saying, doesn't put noses out of joint.
Speaker 8: So I say, throwing man. The only opposing view to
Speaker 8: that is is the.
Speaker 7: Dogs are such a defensive minded club and their principles
Speaker 7: and their structure may take time for Lachlan Galvin to
Speaker 7: adjust to and does a new South.
Speaker 8: Wales Cup game in that system help that development?
Speaker 2: If he plays, he's fascinating what could happen, Like if
Speaker 2: you actually sit back and think about it, like where
Speaker 2: do you play if he's there with Hayward on the
Speaker 2: bench and you've got your two other forwards? What if
Speaker 2: Sexton starts the game poorly and doesn't get off to
Speaker 2: a good start there? You know, do they put Galvin
Speaker 2: in at seven? Do they not? Do they put Hayward
Speaker 2: in at seven? Do they not? Where do they put Galvin?
Speaker 2: Do they shuffle anyone else around? Like anything could happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they've got a bit of a plan,
Speaker 2: and you know, Serato would know where he thinks he
Speaker 2: could play Hi or what scenarios could play out. But really,
Speaker 2: how's Sexton feeling? Like how much pressure is he got
Speaker 2: on him? When they've just brought a big recruit that
Speaker 2: they've said is going to play. They've got to play
Speaker 2: in the halves. They said he can help them win
Speaker 2: a premiership and his first game he's sitting on the
Speaker 2: bench and Taby's got to go out there coming first
Speaker 2: and think if I stuff this up, I'm gone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they couldn't be happy Tobe Sexton because all the
Speaker 6: male leading into the by was that he was going
Speaker 6: to be dropped when they return. Now he's retained the
Speaker 6: jumper for now. But if you go back to the
Speaker 6: Raiders game where I think they trialed twenty Niol Cameron
Speaker 6: Serado opted to put Bailey Hayward on Now come to
Speaker 6: You Broth as a champion half and it looked as
Speaker 6: though Hayward was playing more of a dominant on the
Speaker 6: ball playmaking role than Sext and was he kind of
Speaker 6: took more of a back seat role. Is that now
Speaker 6: the role that Galvin could potentially play when he goes
Speaker 6: on it.
Speaker 2: Potentially he could potentially he could. I want to come
Speaker 2: to you Dave on this. Actually, when they announced Galvin,
Speaker 2: they said that Sexton was about to be dropped anyway.
Speaker 2: That was the male I got out of Canbury. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got the same March got the same man, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden if named him at seven.
Speaker 8: Have you heard anything I honestly haven't heard anything different.
Speaker 7: I answer to your question in relation to how much
Speaker 7: pressure is he younger, No doubt he's under pressure, but
Speaker 7: he's been under pressure all year. He hasn't got a
Speaker 7: contract for next year, so he's actually been playing with
Speaker 7: a spot a lot more.
Speaker 2: Now you think, certainly, you're right, it's a good point
Speaker 2: that you do.
Speaker 7: He's off contract, so he's playing under pressure all year.
Speaker 2: So yeah, But myself and issues because I was a
Speaker 2: half and I know that whenever I played my best
Speaker 2: is when I knew that the coach, the team, the
Speaker 2: players believed in me, and knew I was the best
Speaker 2: man for the job. Like that's that's really what makes
Speaker 2: you thrive because you always isn't absolutely going to second
Speaker 2: guess yourself a little bit. Confidence is king. Any hesitation
Speaker 2: or doubt is a killer. So like it was always
Speaker 2: when I was flying, it was like I had the
Speaker 2: support of the teammates. I knew I was doing my
Speaker 2: job well and I was bouncing around and he's kind
Speaker 2: of been doing that, but there's always been this doubt
Speaker 2: hanging over his head. So if I'm him, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: there was this little cloud of doubt. But I was
Speaker 2: optimistic that I was going to get resigned. I'm optimistic that,
Speaker 2: you know, I could even win a premiership and get
Speaker 2: resigned or whatever. I was willing to prove whatever I
Speaker 2: could to get my team, my club to a premiership.
Speaker 2: Now he's thinking they don't believe in me. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's thinking that, so actually forget that, but
Speaker 2: he could. I'm talking about possibilities. I've been putting myself
Speaker 2: in his shoes, you know, As I said, the biggest
Speaker 2: killer in sport and definitely is a half his hesitation
Speaker 2: and doubt.
Speaker 6: Isn't he thinking I got to go out and shoot
Speaker 6: the lights out? Because I was like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 6: a arrive but it's a different minds. And they bought
Speaker 6: him to play half back, so I don't go out,
Speaker 6: of course, basically playing for his jump.
Speaker 2: Of course he is, but that's more pressure, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know what, hopefully delivers and I think he can.
Speaker 2: But I'm just trying to paint a picture. Possibly it's
Speaker 2: a tough assignment.
Speaker 6: First up against Mitchell Moses that Blues five at will
Speaker 6: be playing for the Yeels on Monday. That game, that's
Speaker 6: going to be a crowd.
Speaker 2: It'll be awesome. Let's move on to the Broncos and
Speaker 2: Ben Eichenwarn's manages the clean house or be back on
Speaker 2: the chopping block. This was an interesting one, Bomber at
Speaker 2: his best. Peter Biddell writes this story in Yeah what
Speaker 2: did you guys think of this?
Speaker 7: The issue is this and when we're all hearing the
Speaker 7: same noises that these Broncos players are mentally cooked right
Speaker 7: due to the fact that Madge is running a different
Speaker 7: regime to what Kevy was running in the past, and
Speaker 7: right now the results are reflecting everything. The narrative coming
Speaker 7: out of the Broncos is due to their performances. Their
Speaker 7: performance against the Manly Seagulls was embarrassing, it was abysmal
Speaker 7: h and.
Speaker 8: It's now a case of.
Speaker 7: I just don't understand why management who appointed Michael McGuire
Speaker 7: would now suddenly think about sacking him on the basis
Speaker 7: of what he's going on at the moment.
Speaker 8: I think they have to stay the course.
Speaker 2: Well they have to.
Speaker 6: They can't if they sacked Madge, then they have to
Speaker 6: sack them selves because dashing Dave Donahey, the CEO, has
Speaker 6: become ducking and diving Dave Donahey. We haven't seen or
Speaker 6: heard he hasn't been spotted off nobbies. I think there
Speaker 6: might have been a shot with him in the dressing
Speaker 6: room with Madge after that diabolical loss Saturday night, But
Speaker 6: aside from that, we haven't earn anything from Dave publicly
Speaker 6: about the inferno that is burning at Redhill and it
Speaker 6: is an inferno.
Speaker 2: Good do you live up there? You know?
Speaker 6: The blow torch and the microscope that's put on.
Speaker 2: This is not that bad, is it? To change it? So?
Speaker 3: What ben Iichen was trying to say that they don't
Speaker 3: marry up with Madge's style, and if he wants to
Speaker 3: play his style, he needs his style of players.
Speaker 2: Is that No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I think what Ikey was saying was the roster that
Speaker 6: Madge is inherited and the setup that Madge is inherited
Speaker 6: is essentially Kevy's team because Kevy had had v well,
Speaker 6: that's right, Kevy had had a number of seasons there
Speaker 6: and set it up the way that he'd want it. Well,
Speaker 6: if Madge is going to have to find the balance
Speaker 6: of how he tried us to get it to fly
Speaker 6: with Kevy's system there, that's the challenge, and at the
Speaker 6: moment it clearly isn't working. I think, to Dave's point
Speaker 6: from earlier, all this focus and hype about Madge overtraining them,
Speaker 6: I don't think they're being overtrained as professional athletes, but
Speaker 6: I reckon maybe emotionally mentally, it looks as though they're
Speaker 6: playing quite drain. So maybe they just need to back off,
Speaker 6: try and get a bit more fun into the joint
Speaker 6: because at the moment it's clearly an unhappy camp.
Speaker 2: See what, It's a big game for them this week,
Speaker 2: a huge game against the Titans, big brother, little brother.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can call them Mighty Titans,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the mighty Titans. But you know what, like
Speaker 2: if they don't stand up and deliver this week, they
Speaker 2: know what's coming because.
Speaker 3: We need to win as well, the Titans as well,
Speaker 3: like we do, like we were close to Melbourn, didn't
Speaker 3: get the Biscuits. So and it'll bring out the best
Speaker 3: in the Titans. I've got no doubt it'll bring the
Speaker 3: best out in t and these mates.
Speaker 2: All right, Jeno is your key player matchups thanks to
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Speaker 6: I'm going to the Raiders Big Poppa up against South
Speaker 6: Sydney on Sunday. Should be an awesome crowd at g
Speaker 6: i A Stadium up against Keelon Cola Matangi, who's in
Speaker 6: form playing for a new South Wales jumper.
Speaker 2: I'm going now West Tigers.
Speaker 7: Jerome Louy up against his old club. Nathan clearyutiful the Panthers,
Speaker 7: good game.
Speaker 2: Don't wait there, you do. Thank you for that seat.
Speaker 2: That re seat isn't wearing off. That's those predictions, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it is, maybe
Speaker 3: Next week, next week's pink jacket all no, thank you,