1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: From the newsroom. A news still come to me. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: Gooday there, I'm Andrew Bucklow, and I tell you what 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: the big difference is between me and Jonathan van Ness. 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: They're an overachiever and I'm not. It's fine. I can 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: admit that JBN has achieved so much in their life. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: They start on Netflix's Queer Eye. They're a best selling writer, 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: a business owner, and they're a comedian who serves stand 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: up with an equal mix of sass and self reflection. 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: I recently caught up with them ahead of their Aussie 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: comedy tour, and I'm gonna play you the best bits 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: of that chat. In this episode. Absolutely nothing was off limits. Okay, 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: they told me what's on their backstage rider. They opened 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: up about last week's Queer Eye controversy, where a castmate 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: claimed he'd been bullied. Oh dear, and I'll be honest. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: We also got a little bit sidetracked talking about music. 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: The pillows A humped to that song and like sixth Green. 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: Wow, all right, let's get into this chat for you. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: Jonathan van Ness is a cultural icon. They star on 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: Netflix's Queer Eye. They're a best selling writer and a 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: killer comedian who serves stand up with an equal mix 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: of SaaS and self reflection. The one, the only JVN 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: joins me. 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: Now, Hello, Thank you so much for having me. 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: It is so exciting to chat to you again. You 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: are bringing your Hot and Healed stand up show to 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: Australia from late feb to mid March. You're performing in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: Perth and Adelaide. Tickets on sale now from tag dainty 28 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: dot com. Why is it called Hot and Healed? 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: Explain that to me? 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: Well, when I love an alliteration, so hot and Healed, 31 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: and I was like ooh, I was like, I healed 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: like healing or healed like in heals. And then I 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: was like, who cares? Because I don't even really know 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: what this show is about yet, but the alliteration is working. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: Then I was in so many comedy clubs last year 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: developing this hour, and I've realized that really the show 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: should be called what now? 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: Question mark exclamation point, you know, politically, like it really 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 4: it's like. 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: What And this show really is about the fallout of 41 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: the Trump election or of this last election. 42 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if. 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: Australia knows this, but I was unfortunately used in a 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty million dollar ad campaign that I 45 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: was featured in against my will, in the Trump campaign. 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: I didn't make any money from it, and you know, 47 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: not that I would want that money, but just saying 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: making some things better than having your video and a 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: commercial and making nothing. And then Trump gets elected. So 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: that was a lot to shoulder, and that was a 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: lot to carry, you know, looking up and seeing myself 52 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 3: in a Trump ad campaign. So this show is about 53 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: dealing with that fallout, and it's really about the messiness 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: and the joy of healing, and it's about what I 55 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 3: think we need to do to heal as a community, 56 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: as a culture, and also what I've done to work 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: on my relationship with myself and healing myself, which has 58 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: been quite messy and all over the place. And I 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: do think that's what comedy is. It's like bringing together 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: experience with joy and like moments of education and vulnerability. 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: And I'm trying to do that in a time where 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: access to joy is harder to find, especially from gender 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: diverse people. And so I want to be like a 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 3: point of access to joy for people to celebrate themselves 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: and learn a little bit. 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 4: And because what we know this is a really long question. 67 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. 68 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: So what we know is that when you do have 69 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: access to joy, you're more likely to get involved in 70 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: issues that matter to you. 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: I've been watching some of your stand up clips on Instagram. 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: They also are joys. You can tell the crowd is 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: having such a wonderful time. You've performed in Australia before. 74 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: How do AUSSI audiences differ from those? 75 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: IVI says, OSSI audiences are amazing And actually last year 76 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: I did in twenty twenty four, I had my first 77 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: special come out and that one was called Fun and 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: Slutty and Australia features one of my most iconic bits 79 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: from that show. I did this joke where I said 80 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: I'm HIV positive. COVID was my second pandemic. And when 81 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: I said that in Australia, all the other markets where 82 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: I was like, they totally got it and left. When 83 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: I said that for the first time in Sydney, I remember, 84 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: you could hear like a pin drop, Like there was 85 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: like maybe twenty five hundred people there, and like the 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: joke did not land. When a joke bombs like that, 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: you have to think on your feet and so within 88 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: a second I just went hell, I'm sorry, did. 89 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: You not understand me? 90 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: Oh? 91 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 4: I said, I'm HiPE joy v positive. This was my 92 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 4: second pandemic. 93 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: Give me a hitch and then the crowd was like 94 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: heich and then I was like, give me an eye 95 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: and they were like oi. And then I was like 96 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: give me a bay and they were like bay and 97 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: then we chanted hi Joyvey for like three rounds. And 98 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: so I recount that story in that special in Fun 99 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: and Slutty because it was the in my whole comedic career, 100 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: I've never led chance of Hey joivey, and I didn't 101 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: know that I would in Sydney. But I do really 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: think in retrospect part of why the joke didn't land 103 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: is because they weren't ready for me saying HIV. They 104 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: needed to hear heiitch. You know it's different, and so 105 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: I do think that's why I didn't land. So with 106 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: Australian audience, I just got to like, if there is 107 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: a joke with a H, I got to hit the H. 108 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: Can't be saying like h, it's got to be H. 109 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: But Australian and New Zealand audiences really have been like 110 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: so welcoming, so amazing, and I just cannot wait to 111 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: come back down and see everybody. 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: And you're playing some incredible venues, I mean, including the 113 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House. What an incredible achievement that is when 114 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: you get to play a venue like that. I would 115 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: like to know, j Ivn, what is on your backstaye rada. 116 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: Okay, it's actually not as like glamorous or as diva 117 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: as you would think. It's like vegetables with hummus, and 118 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: I like white claw and some diet coke and like water, 119 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: and then usually ask for like salon towels because sometimes 120 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: like I'll come with like wet hair and I'll like 121 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: blow drying my hair when I get there, like stall 122 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: my hair when I get there, So it's kind of 123 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: like random, and I will say that I don't I 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: used to do gymnastics at the top of my show, 125 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: and that writer was way more intense because back then 126 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: I would have to, like I'd open the show in 127 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: a leotard and literally do gymnastics on a bounce track, 128 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: and I would have to do a quick change after 129 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: that and like take off like a leotard, a jock 130 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: strap tights, towel myself off, put my hair up, put 131 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: on my makeup and like get back out on the 132 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: stage in like ten minutes, and so I needed a 133 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: lot more back then. And then I realized that doing. 134 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: Gymnastics at the top of my show was. 135 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: Gonna make me break both my ankles and potentially like 136 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 3: all my vertebrates. Because doing gymnastics at like eight in 137 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: the morning is fun, Doing it at eight and ten 138 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 3: o'clock at night as you're aging got less. So and 139 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: then I almost really cracked my ass a couple times, 140 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, I think my stand 141 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: up is strong enough that I don't need to risk 142 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: my life and ankles. 143 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: So I backed off of it a little bit. 144 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: Darren heyes from Savage Godden. You know Savage Goden, right, 145 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: great bend. 146 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: Do I know Savage Garden. We don't talk about Savage 147 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: Garden enough. And I think that's one of the problems 148 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. In fact, I don't think someone 149 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: has brought up a Savage Garden and casual conversation to me. 150 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: And in decades, weren't they the ones that were like. 151 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, like truly madly deeply yeah, truly 152 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: madly deeply. 153 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: What was the more like upbeat one hold on, I 154 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: just got to get in here really quick. I have 155 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: not been triggered like this, and yet truly, madly, deeply was. 156 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: Wow, it's a bank. Wow. 157 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: Wow, Wow the pillows. I humped to that song in 158 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: like sixth grade. 159 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: Wow. That was really moving for me. 160 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: That you don't want to put anything too expensive on 161 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: your rider because it's actually the artist who has to 162 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: pay for it themselves at the end of the day. 163 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: Is that true? 164 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so true. Yes, I mean that's a rip off. 165 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: You're a bleak star. You should be able to get 166 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: paper to buy whatever you want, whatever's on that list. 167 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: That I should be getting huge iv in. 168 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: You know what someone said to me, and this is 169 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: so true, and my old boss has said this, if 170 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: something is free, it cost someone a shitload of money, 171 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: so as to say that nothing is ever truly free. 172 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: You know, like. 173 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: Someone's gonna have to buy that pizza or that water 174 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: or the towel, you know what I mean, Like, it's 175 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: not just I was gonna give it to you. 176 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: Someone's got to buy it. So it's like if. 177 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: You're insame thing with like samples, like sometimes like it's 178 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: like if you send somebody samples like Jabian hair. This 179 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: drives me nuts. It's so true. Not that you asked, 180 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna say it's like sampling, right. People will 181 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: think like when I think about like when I was 182 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: new in my career and people were sending me a 183 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: bunch of stuff, and I felt really overwhelmed with how 184 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: much stuff was getting sent to me, and so sometimes 185 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: I would just like give things that people sent to me, 186 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: like to my friends or like my mom, because I 187 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: just like too much stuff. And now that I've had 188 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: a haircare company for the last like almost five years, 189 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: and I realized, like how expensive it is for you 190 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: to do sampling, for you to package that stuff, for 191 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: you to like find the people and get it to them, 192 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: and then for them to just like give it to 193 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: somebody I don't even use it, like what the fuck? Like, 194 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, So it's like, if you come across samples 195 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: in your life, or if you're an influencer or you're 196 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: you're at an event and they're sampling, please treat that 197 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: with the respect it deserves. Someone worked so hard on that. 198 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: Now. Last week, the Queer Eye Stars made headlines around 199 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: the world when one of the cast refused to do 200 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: some live TV interviews with the others. I'll give you 201 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: all the details and we'll get jvn's take on the 202 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: drama in just a moment. Welcome back now. Last week, 203 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw this, there was a major Queer 204 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: Eye drama that made headlines around the world. This was 205 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: so spicy. The deal was that all five stars from 206 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: the show were booked to do a couple of live 207 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: TV interviews in the USK. They were there to promote 208 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: the tenth and final season of Queeri, which has just 209 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: been released on Netflix. But one of the Fab five, 210 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: Karamo Brown, pulled out of the interviews at the last second, 211 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: which made things pretty awkward for the others. Have a 212 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: listen to this. 213 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 5: We perceive we're just in less than an hour ago 214 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: that carame or Brown is not going to be joining 215 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 5: us today, he said, in part, because I. 216 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 3: Want to rip the band. 217 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 5: Aid off and just get it out of the we 218 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 5: can really talk about the show. He's sent a statement 219 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 5: he apologized for not attending this interview. We thank the audience, 220 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 5: he said, in part, I hope everyone remembers to focus 221 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 5: on and to protect their mental health piece from people 222 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: or a world who seek to destroy it, which is 223 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 5: why I can't be there today. His assistant also says 224 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 5: that he's worried about being bullied, so let's just address 225 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 5: it and get it off the top. I was very 226 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 5: sorry to hear this that he apparently feels his way. 227 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 5: What do any of you have to say? You're a 228 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 5: surprised as we are. I assume that he wasn't here. 229 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, surprise is a fair understatement. I will say our 230 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: Queer Eye family, we've been doing this for almost a decade, 231 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: which is pretty wild to believe, and families are complicated. 232 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: JBN. Tell me, what is it like when you're a 233 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: part of a story like that that is trending worldwide? 234 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: I mean, can you describe that to us? 235 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's I guess the best way I could say 236 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: it would be like maybe out of body. 237 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: It feels kind of body. 238 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: People just like calling you, texting you NonStop, and you're 239 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 2: obviously looking at the articles online and you're like, oh 240 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: my gosh, this has blown up. 241 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: I actually don't look at the articles online. I have 242 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: an amazing publicist who is here with us, who you 243 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: know anything I need to know? Like, she's gonna let 244 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: me know, But I don't one thing. Say what you 245 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: will about Mel Robbins. But one thing I have learned 246 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: in my career is that, like, I can't control what 247 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: people are going to think about me, and it's not 248 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: my job to control what people think about me. What 249 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: I can say about you know, our season ten press 250 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: is exactly what I said when I was there, which 251 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: is for Caroamo to anyone needs to center their mental 252 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: health and their wellness, and Karamo has been really vocal 253 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: about sharing with people how to do that on Queer Eye. 254 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: And I think there is so much pressure in our 255 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: industry to show up and to do things that you 256 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't want to speak for him because I 257 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: I respect him, I treasure the time that we had 258 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: together on that show, and so yeah, it's kind of 259 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: just exactly what I said. It's like, I'm proud of 260 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: him for doing what he needs to do to take 261 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: care of himself. And that's all I want for anyone 262 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 3: to do, is like, do the things that you need 263 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: to do to take care of yourself. 264 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: Final question on AD your professional quia cultural analysis? Who 265 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: is hot, a in hated, rivalry, ilia or shine? 266 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: This feels as complicated as when someone asks me what 267 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: my favorite JVN hair product is, And the truth is, 268 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: it really depends on what your arousal template is. You know, 269 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: if your arousal template is more volume, you're gonna like 270 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: my embody shampoo and conditioner. If your arousal template is 271 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: you know, style memory in a smooth look, then you're 272 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: gonna love our blowout milk. 273 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 4: So it's kind of similar. I have to say the. 274 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: Chest on the shop like, I mean, everyone just has 275 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: like the most gorgeous chests, Like everyone's just brought their 276 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: chests scheme, you know, And I'm totally like, if I 277 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 3: were straight, I would have totally been like you, I 278 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: can't say it. 279 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 4: Well, I'll say it, it's like a breath. I can't 280 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: see it at well. Breast are great. 281 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: We love breast and good for breasts like we you know, 282 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: none of us will be here without them. So I 283 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: don't want to be like anti breast, like very pro breast. 284 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: But I'm such a like chest person. I'm just like, 285 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,239 Speaker 3: oh my god. 286 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: Well done. 287 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: Firstly on getting a plug for Javn hair into that answer. 288 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: By the way, that was seamless. 289 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: I loved it. 290 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: You're a pro and I cannot wait to see you 291 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: on stage in Australia in feb and March. The tour 292 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: is called Hot and Healed. Tickets on sale now from 293 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: TEG Dainty dot com. Javin lovely to chat. 294 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: To you, thanks so much for having me, Thank you. 295 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: Any That's it for today's episode. Thank you so much 296 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: for listening, and I'll chat to you again next day. 297 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 3: So you follow or subscribe to from the newsroom 298 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 4: Wherever you get your podcasts.