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Speaker 1: You'll no Gie Brown's for a harder man.

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Speaker 2: Goco Sons and Campbell Brown recent agreement with Campbell the

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Speaker 2: club Departmays.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Brownies Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Brownies Podcast. And there's a man that's just

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Speaker 2: rolled in as happy as Larry for the third consecutive view.

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Speaker 4: JB.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Armaguard trucks parked out the front, Brown Dog. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be busy this way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a big win. Were you going to

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Speaker 4: the g confident?

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Speaker 1: I was fifty to fifty in my mind. The midfield

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Speaker 1: is so good even without locking here, I thought were

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Speaker 1: a chance. But against the vaunted, the much vaunted Collingwood Army,

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Speaker 1: ninety six thousand people. What a weekend it was. But

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Speaker 1: ninety six thousand people, and obviously a big percentage of

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Speaker 1: those were Pie supporters. You're never quite sure, but he's away.

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Speaker 1: Brisbane fought it out, especially in the second half. Was great.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I've got the kids down with the Brown Dog.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gotta be a handful now because tickets.

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Speaker 4: First Grand Final for all of them, first.

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Speaker 1: Grand Final for all I've managed to snare some ticket.

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Speaker 1: The only problem is they're spread all around the mcg

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Speaker 1: so three kids. I'm not sure I trust little Jackie

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Speaker 1: Brown to be left to his own devices up in

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Speaker 1: the Great Southern Stand or the Great Shane Warn Stand,

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Speaker 1: just running and running a mark amongst the Grand Final crowd.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to try and work out dog to

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Speaker 1: get at least four seats all together, which is a

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Speaker 1: lot trickier than it seems.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see live smack bang in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the Cats cheers squad.

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Speaker 4: Just one out?

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Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? I like that? Yeah? Later up with the

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Speaker 1: Lions game. What about her? She's got a bit of

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Speaker 1: skin in the games, hasn't she In the final series?

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Speaker 1: She's a Cowden supporter, Gold Coast Academy product, and now

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Speaker 1: she's jumped on the breast with lines.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind it.

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Speaker 1: I make a decision. But it was good fun. How's

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Speaker 1: your week shaping up? You're loading up with cashies. I

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Speaker 1: might get a bit more to that on Wednesday. Things

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Speaker 1: might eventuate as the week goes on.

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Speaker 2: Would have been nice if the Hawks made it through.

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Speaker 2: But I went I went there Friday night and there

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Speaker 2: were ninety nine thousand. I don't think there's ever been

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Speaker 2: more people through the mcg prelimary final week they made

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Speaker 2: history with those two games. Went there without a great

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Speaker 2: deal of expectation and then halfway to the second quarter

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Speaker 2: I went, oh, hang on, they're going to win this.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's looked slow. Yeah, but a good side.

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Speaker 2: Grand him down and end up having ten individual goalkickers.

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Speaker 2: But Paddy Dangerfield's game live is one of the best

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Speaker 2: individual performances I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, Yeah it was. It was the highest rated finals

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Speaker 1: performance by a Geelong player ever ever, including I think

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Speaker 1: Gary Abblett's nine goals in the nine eighty nine Grand Finals.

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Speaker 1: So it was everywhere. It was a wrecking machine. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: center bounces. Chris Scott has managed him to perfection. Spoke

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Speaker 1: to Chris Scott preseason and this is not giving away

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Speaker 1: any secrets, but he said the plan for Daingerfield he

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Speaker 1: hopefully manage him through and then just unleashing in September

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Speaker 1: a bit more into the midfield, which that plans worked

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Speaker 1: beautifully and Geelong history has shown the last fifteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty years they have managed their players better even any

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Speaker 2: Yep, thirty one disposals just a human wrecking, but he's

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Speaker 2: a chemacaze. We talk about danger being you know this

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Speaker 4: A great football a skillful kicks, long.

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Speaker 2: Goals, great in the air, but there's no harder player

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Speaker 2: in the camp when he decides to go like he

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Speaker 1: Well, Tommy Hawkins said it was a bit tricky at

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Speaker 1: He just se ball get ball, So not a huge

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, you don't want to be in

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Speaker 2: Nick Floston was in his way in that Grand Final

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Speaker 1: He was angel, wasn't It was danger.

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Speaker 2: So now he's a premiership player, but he'll now be

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Speaker 2: I had some good players that were down on Friday night.

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Speaker 4: Going to Watson and not going into the middle onto Newcombe.

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Speaker 1: I thought it would have happened only because they've got

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Speaker 1: And I think Hawthorne it showed that their midfield's not

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Speaker 1: something clearly they're going to go to work on the

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Speaker 1: off season. Zach Merritt, he's been chased by Hawthorne. They

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Speaker 1: It was brilliant, wasn't he? But Connor Nash can't be

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Speaker 1: if the Hawk's going to win. And that's no disrespect,

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Speaker 1: a great effort by the Cats because they clearly are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tommy Adkins is a silent assassin. But the big

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Speaker 2: I probably thought Hawthorne were a sniff because for a

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Speaker 2: they had Henry go down with an ankle, and there

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Speaker 4: But you know what, he went down and they just

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Speaker 2: And Guthrie and other guys just step up and.

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Speaker 1: And then Henry came back on the field. Yeah, starts

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Speaker 2: I mean, you feel for Tom Stewart, right, anyone that

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Speaker 2: misses a game with the concussion. But the AFL brought

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Speaker 2: the final start in sixteen and it hasn't We've gone

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Speaker 2: nine years, nearly ten years, and it hasn't affected anyone

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Speaker 2: getting knocked out in a preliminary final.

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Speaker 4: It was always going to happen. I reckon.

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Speaker 2: Swan is probably going to change it next year, but

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Speaker 2: unfortunately for Tom Stewart, it's not going to help you.

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Speaker 1: It's a funny one, isn't it, because they're going to

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Speaker 1: still have a won a wild card weekend, which is

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Speaker 1: essentially the week off for the top six teams still

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Speaker 1: the pre finals by and then another week off before

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Speaker 1: the grand Final. It's too many. It doesn't work for me,

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Speaker 1: so I just think it's just going to be one

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Speaker 1: a player will miss with concussion on average, I reckon,

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl is a huge week and the two teams

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Speaker 1: they're really just going to try And I just think

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Speaker 1: it's too long to wait.

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Speaker 2: I agree, No, I don't think you need to bring

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Speaker 2: it in specifically for players with head knocks that may

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Speaker 2: We've we've we've seen players in the past miss with hamstrings.

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Speaker 2: You know, Barry might miss with his shoulder just because

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Speaker 2: it's a head knock.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Marbi a Charlee suspension like

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Speaker 1: he was the one that tackled Tom Stewart. Unfortunate incident.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like a football action. But we've seen the

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Speaker 2: I've watched it a hundred times and I was honestly, yep,

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Speaker 1: The commitment to your craft face was finished this week.

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Speaker 2: There's just a bit of Marbi because I was blown

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Speaker 2: be right right, and like Marbi Chell tackled him and

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Speaker 2: the momentum was already falling forward right from the initial

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Speaker 2: which he did and two players and Marbi Chol would

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Speaker 2: Michael Christian, the MRO officer and the AFL have come

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Speaker 2: biggest disgrace in the AFL this year and it's a

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Speaker 2: long list because they rubbed out Olie Wines for three

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Speaker 2: That he should have got rubbed out for that. Marbi

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Speaker 2: Choll certainly wouldn't have been rubbed out.

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Speaker 4: And you know what stinks. I think they don't rub

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Speaker 2: If Hawthorne make the Grand Final, really yep, I think

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Speaker 2: it would be one of those decisions that he gets off.

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Speaker 4: So for me, that's horses for courses.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's all sort of part of the is it risk?

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Speaker 1: Is it risk? Mitigation? Does that sound right? When they

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Speaker 1: we're doing everything we can to protect the plass and

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Speaker 1: they've got the evidence. So see this, we suspended a

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Speaker 1: player for a Grand final, all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Now it's three Whether it's three weeks, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: It gets rubbed out going forward, it gets sorry, it

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Speaker 1: gets let off going forward. I think you might get

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Speaker 1: a week in that situation. So the AFL still shows

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Speaker 1: publicly they're doing something in terms of head knocks, because

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Speaker 1: that's where it's out of the moment is it's all litigation,

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Speaker 1: it's risk management, it's protecting themselves from that litigation, which

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Speaker 1: eventually will come.

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Speaker 2: All hell would break loose if they rubbed out Chol

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Speaker 2: for that tackle leading into a Grand Final if he.

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Speaker 1: Was playing, Absolutely, I agree. I agree. I think you

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Speaker 2: It's impossible, it's physically impossible. And again it's them, it's

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Speaker 2: them suspending the outcome, not the action, because there's nothing

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Speaker 4: Talkers through because I was I was watching the coverage.

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Speaker 4: I think that's an unbelievably good umpiring decision.

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Speaker 4: Which he did.

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Speaker 2: His head. His head was craned all the way back

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Speaker 1: Which are allowed, because if front on contact wasn't allowed,

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Speaker 2: Nick really well with a marker and I reckon Sam

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Speaker 1: Well, well you'd have to take that off him. So

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Speaker 1: you know, front on contact actually is allowed, which Ralphie

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Speaker 4: You're trying to put his glasses on.

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Speaker 2: Then we need more of that, We need more challenging journalists.

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Speaker 1: Good solid debate. But now they're good. They were awesome.

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Speaker 1: We've spoken about the line, so it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a fun week. Now. What about Charlie Kerner to the

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Speaker 1: he's an older forward as well. They've got problems with

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Speaker 2: It'd be amazing when you think about this offseason. The

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Speaker 2: going to the Pies like this, This would be sacrilege

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Speaker 3: How are they going to justify the trade? Kerno's trade

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Speaker 3: He's not surfing at the Lexus Cema. He's not surfing

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can go out to the wavepool out of

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Speaker 1: Tylverene County. Maybe he goes to Essen and I live

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Speaker 1: lives the Carlton Sport and live. Just jump on the mic, Live, jump.

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Speaker 2: Jump on the mike tell us, tell us exactly what

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Speaker 4: I just wouldn't be happy.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite players.

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Speaker 4: But rip the poster off the walls of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Will Cripper's staying?

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Speaker 1: Then I'll stay. But so you've got one leg out

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Speaker 3: Good loyal to my team no matter where they're losing,

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Speaker 1: You can't help poor judgment, can you? Unfortunately, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure his child you are.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they they with their list and how they

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Speaker 4: They're the oldest club.

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Speaker 2: In the camp at the moment, right but all these

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Speaker 4: So Pendles in side bottom already signed.

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Speaker 2: Unless they do lose Elliott and a few, they're still

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Speaker 1: Yeah they are. That's a challenge. Justin leppich Old made

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Speaker 1: Frank the tank. He's got his handful, hasn't he to

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Speaker 1: Leer came on, we will have to get him conference podcast.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure he was keen to after did

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Speaker 1: a leperal have his handsful. I'm sure he's got a

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Speaker 4: That brandlaw Tonight, brandlad Tonight. I'm going.

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Speaker 2: I've got the tuxedo getting dropped off at sc end

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Speaker 2: this afternoon while you going because I'm Channel seven talent.

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Speaker 1: Just are you doing the red carpet again?

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Speaker 3: Not from the Brown Low?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's our number one show behind Agenda Setters and

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Speaker 2: all the other.

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Speaker 4: I don't have it wrong. I'm purely going there just

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Speaker 1: But just watched the wags roll in and then watch

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Speaker 2: I think Nick Dekos will win. And my other tip

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's had his year as we think

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Speaker 4: Think he's going to be contending to win it.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of your bets, I've got a lot of feedback.

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Speaker 3: Did you place a bed over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: On what footy or on the races?

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Speaker 1: Did you have a quardy on the weekend? I did?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you run us through.

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Speaker 1: You run us through the bet?

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Speaker 2: Well, they make me put quddies on se and track right.

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Speaker 2: So I did it, and it cost one hundred and

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Speaker 1: I got it.

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Speaker 2: And when the favorite won the last leg, I got

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Speaker 4: Over even when you win the loose.

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Speaker 1: Jeezus a gun tips get on brand.

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Speaker 3: Finally, the listeners were not happy. I was getting a

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Speaker 1: They followed you in after Yeah good, I will be

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Speaker 1: back after a break, Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: To Brownie's podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited grand final week, brandlad and what anight and

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Speaker 2: also a little bit different this week JB. We've got

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Speaker 2: the emotional baggage background ladder here, which is a magnificent

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Speaker 2: Mitchell and Ness collaboration, and they've got the index right

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Speaker 2: debating which would be the hardest footy teams to have

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Speaker 2: supported through the course of the last one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty eight AFL VFL seasons's droughts as heartbreaks as losses,

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Speaker 2: and the cold hard numbers suggest that it's a It's

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Speaker 2: a pretty good list if you're a Hawk or if

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Speaker 2: you're a Brisbane life, but there's been heartbreak for a

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Speaker 2: few in the face of the index, the emotional baggage

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Speaker 2: index is my former teammate, Joshi Gibson.

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Speaker 5: How are you, mate, I'm well, dog, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm going beautifully.

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite as good as Jonathan Brown, who's waltzed

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Speaker 2: into the Brownies podcast, you know, for the third year

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Speaker 2: running with his team playing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, excited GiB Okay, Wait, you know what it's like

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Speaker 1: made to be their Grand Final week as a player,

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Speaker 1: but also when your club makes it, you think, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a fill up. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be a magnificent week. And I'm not carrying any emotional baggage.

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Speaker 1: GiB mate, I'm well, I'm well.

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Speaker 5: How are you?

437
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Speaker 1: I'm going well? All excited? Now what are you up

438
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Speaker 1: to at the moment? House sings mate.

439
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Speaker 5: I'm just unrelaxing still, you know, still a little bit

440
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,719
Speaker 5: upsett that the Hawks aren't there, but all in all,

441
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 5: they had a fantastic year and look we're going to

442
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 5: get an absolute treat with with Geelong and the Lions, mate,

443
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Speaker 5: And as you said, very happy for your boys three

444
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 5: years in a row. Couldn't be happier for fake.

445
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Speaker 4: Grant final week. What do you do do you come to.

446
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 5: The game, dog, I'm not this year. I'm going away

447
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 5: camp drafting the right horses, mate, so I'll be watching

448
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 5: it on the on the on the side of the caravan.

449
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Speaker 4: You do a bit of drafting, don't you. What do

450
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Speaker 4: you look for?

451
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Speaker 2: Do you look for players with speed or good kicks

452
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Speaker 2: or decision makers?

453
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Speaker 4: What sort of drafting do you look for?

454
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Speaker 5: Well, you've got to have a horse that's got a

455
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Speaker 5: good mind, Brownie. I'm like, yeah, you just can't be

456
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Speaker 5: an athlete with an average mind.

457
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Speaker 1: It doesn't last brand. Dog would have been ship House

458
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Speaker 1: if it was a game drafting horse, just wouldn't have

459
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Speaker 1: had the composure. What are you in the temperament?

460
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Speaker 5: You would come out looking good, just like Ah when

461
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Speaker 5: he has that when he did that golden statue. Pose,

462
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 5: I feel like cars and play like game.

463
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Speaker 2: Hey, now this this draft index, let's have a look

464
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Speaker 2: at it. Because number one on the emotional baggage index

465
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Speaker 2: is St.

466
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Speaker 4: Kilda.

467
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Speaker 1: I had a disagree with that.

468
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: Really been sized exaggerated in scale bagage one premiership which

469
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Speaker 2: was in nineteen sixty six, and then we know the

470
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 2: losses in nine ten they drawn a ninety seven gibot

471
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Speaker 2: really smother.

472
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Speaker 5: Yeah have you seen their bag? Have you guys seen

473
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Speaker 5: a picture of their bags?

474
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Speaker 1: Massive?

475
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Speaker 5: It's a dead debt coffin. Yeah, it's an almost fit

476
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 5: of family in there.

477
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Speaker 1: So it's triple excel size.

478
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Speaker 5: Have absolutely nailed it, and I think, I think think

479
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Speaker 5: Kilda know it too. Did you look at the way

480
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 5: they're gone about their recruiting They realized they need to

481
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 5: get that bag smaller. Yeah, they get it.

482
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Speaker 2: What about it's a freemantle second, which I think that's

483
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: fair Carlton, That's what about Essendon? Right, last final that

484
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: they won was an elimination final versus Melbourne in two

485
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 2: thousand and four, so twenty one years, that's seven thousand days.

486
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: Last night, last time they won a final, Saddam Hussein

487
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Speaker 2: was in power.

488
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Speaker 4: Twitter had just.

489
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Speaker 5: Started last time they won a final, Brownie. I hadn't

490
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Speaker 5: even played a game in the AFL yet, See goes

491
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Speaker 5: exactly exactly right.

492
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Speaker 1: They really should be mine. They should be.

493
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Speaker 5: One, right, I know you know you can't. I'm with

494
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Speaker 5: you guys. I had Essendon a lot high. I guess

495
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Speaker 5: you can't lie with the mouse. But you know, if

496
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Speaker 5: you're an essendonce fan, you know that you're carrying around

497
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 5: some supreme baggage.

498
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, real heartbreak.

499
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Speaker 1: Now.

500
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Speaker 2: One that we thought was way too high because they've

501
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Speaker 2: been a very successful club and a good club to

502
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Speaker 2: follow is the Sydney Swans at seven.

503
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I didn't understand it. I would have had them,

504
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 5: you know, I would have had them down the bottom.

505
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Speaker 5: You've got the obviously, you know you've got Brisbanes and

506
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 5: Hawthorns there, but you know, teams like Geelong and Sydney,

507
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 5: you know they might not win them all the time,

508
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 5: but they've consistently played finals footy and you know, it's

509
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 5: like how I am at the end of this year

510
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 5: with Hawthorne, you go away going. We had a good

511
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Speaker 5: crack this year and we made a prelim and I

512
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Speaker 5: feel like the Swans have done that a lot.

513
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Speaker 1: And they've always had the big forwards give So they've

514
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: had Kappa, they've had Lockers, they've had Hall and they've

515
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: had Franklin. So they've always had the Hollywood forward type

516
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: and something that will drag you along the game, win,

517
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Speaker 1: lose or draw.

518
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Speaker 5: Very very good point, Very good point, Brownie.

519
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Speaker 1: What about the Giants The crosstown role is not going

520
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: to spend too much time on them. But Jesus, they've

521
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: coughed it up at the critical time of the year.

522
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Speaker 1: They should have won in twenty sixteen. Really they let

523
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Speaker 1: the Bulldogs beat him in the prelim and then the

524
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Speaker 1: last few years, especially last year when they coughed up

525
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: those two folds against Sydney and Brisbane with massive.

526
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Speaker 2: They don't have a huge supporter base, maybe that plays

527
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Speaker 2: a role, but only been in the system third years.

528
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 4: But you're right, jb.

529
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: Their last five or six years in particular, very disheartening

530
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: for fans.

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Speaker 1: And it's a ship hold where they go, where they

532
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: play out there in Western City, it's a ship hold

533
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: that has to play ron the Olympics out there got

534
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: a mighty What about the West? What about Not sure

535
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: about the Western Bulldogs at thirteen. But the big one

536
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: you want to get to is the fourteenth place club

537
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: round off.

538
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, far too low on the emotional baggage index is Melbourne.

539
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 4: They've been a terrible club to have supported.

540
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: They won a flag in nineteen sixty four, right, and

541
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Speaker 2: then it was a very very long time until they

542
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: won by surprise a little bit in twenty twenty one.

543
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: But I'm going to say this, it was a COVID Premiership,

544
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: which I'm not going to say doesn't.

545
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: Count, doesn't count.

546
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: And it was in Perth, so even their supporters they

547
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: could support their team, but they couldn't fucking be there

548
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: to watch the gage. They got six weeks prison. But

549
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Speaker 2: I think Melbourne should be up there the top five.

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Speaker 5: Number one bags fella though, Brownie, let me tell you

551
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 5: that one. It's a it's the blue like man satchel

552
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 5: with the with some red clips on it. It's going

553
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 5: to be primed for them taking them up straight from

554
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 5: the corporate office straight to me on Hoffam. It's going

555
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 5: to be it's going to be a.

556
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Speaker 1: I you've spot on about that and so you So

557
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm just going to back over a brown Dog's points.

558
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you saying it doesn't caret their premiership

559
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty maybe is it a bit like a

560
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: tree that's fallen in the forest. It doesn't make a sound.

561
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it has the full It

562
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: didn't wasn't the g with one hundred thousand there, there

563
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: were shortened quarters, there was masks having to be worn

564
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: singing the club song.

565
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Speaker 4: Yes it was, it was fraudulent.

566
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Speaker 5: I can remember some bigger handset cup wins in that.

567
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Speaker 4: One beautiful mate.

568
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: Well you enjoy your camp drafting. It was good to

569
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Speaker 2: see you a couple of weeks ago.

570
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Speaker 1: Mate.

571
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Speaker 4: We'll make sure we catch up again. Very very soony, but.

572
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Speaker 1: I enjoy it.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy the cashies this week, JB. It's going to be

574
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 5: a big week for you, but you're by.

575
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: I brought the kids, all three kids down just to

576
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: carry the cash bags around beyond him, so just to

577
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: fill him up all the best, mate, thanks coming on

578
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: Brady's podcast.

579
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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me boy, great initiative.

580
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: There are Mitchell and Ness.

581
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of ladders and predictors, but I think

582
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: this is one that's done a little bit different. There's

583
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: emotional baggage in every single club and every supporter group

584
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: that plays this great game.

585
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have asked Gibbo does he carry an

586
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: emotional baggage for your time together as teammates.

587
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Speaker 3: To see where your team sits, head to Mitchellaneest dot com.

588
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: That are you he loves his horses. Hey, guess what

589
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: time in his JBB What a world time for what

590
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: a world?

591
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: Now?

592
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: A Chinese man purchased a first class fully refundable ticket

593
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: with East China Airlines.

594
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Right.

595
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: What he would do is he'd go in, He'd access

596
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: the first class lounge right at Zion International Airport. He

597
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: would order all his food and his drinks and he'd

598
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Speaker 2: be in there, and then after he fed, he'd reschedule

599
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: cancel his flight.

600
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: Right and this guy Kwong wa yit, he's Malaysia.

601
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: Just one more time, just one more time, please.

602
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: Quong yit Poh, well done.

603
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: He'd flashes ticket go through and he did this, eating, drinking, cancel, flight,

604
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: rebook over three hundred times.

605
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

606
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: So basically got a whole year out of free.

607
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: Food, and not just once. He would sometimes redbook for

608
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: later that night he'd have lunch, and Eastern China Airlines

609
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: officials suddenly woke up and figured out that this scam

610
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: he is running. The airline officials admitted that legal action

611
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: was not possible as it was not against the rules

612
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: of the ticketing and when they confronted him and banned

613
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: him from continuing his practice, he ended up cashing in

614
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 2: a fully refundable ticket and got all his money. So

615
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: I read that and I thought, well, he's very frugal

616
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: and tight, but an opportunistic and smart.

617
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: So what a world.

618
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Speaker 1: I want to do that in the off season the

619
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Speaker 1: Sydney Airport Quanis Club Lande, the first class Lands. He's unbelievable.

620
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: You get a massage in there. Now i'mont start doing

621
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: that in.

622
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: The off season so that credit where credits?

623
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Speaker 1: What a world, great episode, what a week it's going

624
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Speaker 1: to be, can't wait. It's going to work hard to

625
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: get the tickets. The Grand Final is going to be amazing, fantastic,

626
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Not sure the looking forward to seeing you. The Premiership

627
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Cup ambassadors are well, Jack Ree wants a Premiership Cup ambassador.

628
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: And then whoever gets to present the cups for the

629
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Speaker 1: winning what.

630
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: Don't you Why don't you ever get asked.

631
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: Well, your team's got to be in there for starters.

632
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: I think it was last year. I think it was

633
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Lee Matthews last year. You know what, what about the

634
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: great Simon Black, there's me Alistair Lynch.

635
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: You've had a magnificent contribution.

636
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm going to do, Brodie, I'm gonna

637
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to ring Andrew Dillon direct seriously, because I

638
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: saw over the weekend that he was co labbing with

639
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: Dan GORINGE right, yeah, And if we'll take Dan's call,

640
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: he damn well will take my call. So I'm going

641
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: to give him a buzz and I'm going to demand

642
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: that you present the premiership carp if Brisbane win it.

643
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Let's say how much pool you've got around town?

644
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: I like it?

645
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: What would you do if you had the cut? What

646
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: would you do?

647
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Would you do a.

648
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: Sign like that?

649
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm not in the air. It's not about me, is it?

650
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be okay, I've got something.

651
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: I've got something right just before if I get this

652
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: across the line and you know, I pull some magic

653
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: just before you hand the trophy over to Harris Andrews

654
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: and fakes, would you scream into the and like if

655
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: he plays, would you scream into the mic?

656
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: W T D?

657
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: Would you do it? I don't think you'll get deals

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Speaker 1: phone on this anyway. That's Brandy's podcast. Look forward to

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Speaker 1: the Chatter